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Post Post #950  (ISO)  » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:38 pm

In post 949, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:The potato already flipped.


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Post Post #951  (ISO)  » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:10 pm

hey i was voting gamma

VOTE: gamma

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Post Post #952  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:16 am

In post 944, light_ganski wrote:Day one megapost heeeeeeeeere we go!

It was vonflare that claimed death miller (10) not varsoon :facepalm:
> still say policy lynching death millers is good praxis
Cheekyteeky discussing the mod's ethics page 1 (12) when we all know xyzzy has none is... probably irrelevant but I'll note it down anyway.
Varsoon comes in (15)... criticising RVS votes (?!) and claims the neighbourhood. 99.9% confirmed by lack of CCs. this is NAI scum and town have equal motive to out it.
more RVS...

Found TheBrie's 28 odd as I misread it first time round ( :facepalm: ), but without that oddness her first couple posts seem broadly similar to her style in grits (she was town iirc)
32 (GEmerald): I really think that death miller isn't out of character for this mod buuuuut in any case policy lynch is likely the best option.
34 technically true but neighbourhoods far more often than not have at least one scum and lynching strong scumreads in the neighbourhood is good townie praxis.
39 lurkers are bad policy lynches early on
varsoon (49) pings me. "I outed the neighbourhood but we shouldn't use it in scumhunting" comes across as cautious scum outing the neighbourhood for helpful townie cred? profii (57) makes this obvious point.
58 pingy too, everything varsoon says is technically correct if you misconstrue the idea of neighbourhood-membership as mildly indicative of scum when you already have a scumread on someone as "we have to lynch within the neighbourhood".

96 (cheekyteeky) - no, entering with a vote is def NAI, entering in RVS trying to read shit all is slightly scum leaning but imho this is standard for thebrie, and 97-98 looks townie.
121 and 124 are basically my thought process RE varsoon in the first couple pages.
varsoon (128) claims the thing abt lynching independent of the hood's existence - again - and I still disagree with it based on my analysis re post 58 (because you're not trying to scumhunt independently you're trying to direct people away, profii makes this point in 144). 129 is pure AtE but I can see it coming from town or scum.
studying past games with hoods will only get you so far, why not analyse the game you're playing (GEmerald, varsoon, posts 145 through 168)

wagonomics (170, 325, 418) how do you calculate your wagon value scores? (327 is okay but I wanna see the maths)

there's so much fluff in this game I feel like I'm in a wool factory. cheeky and brie are town
225 I'm feeling fine with a miller policy lynch on this
230, 232 (nancy drew) is town ish
wisdoms entire ISO is so low energy I hate it (and also hate 817 lynching fast D1 is objectively bad)
282 is kinda crap too discounting information is always anti-town

vax's entry (292) is in character probs NAI
nancy drew (303) I agree with from the prespective of that being an easy vote for lurking scum to make, good analysis. 304 not so though vax is NAI there.
346 - iirc theta wasn't as indecisive as this D1 when she was my partner in grits so I'm gonna town read this for now, but she could still be scum hedging here so don't discount this.
354, 355 (gemerald, cheeky) is the same reason I don't like wagonomics, in that these wagon value posts are just aggregates of everyone elses votes, and don''t actually contribute to the discussion or push for action.

381 (hebi) - easy wagon comment would feel scummy from anyone else but this is my third or fourth time playing with her and I'm gonna let it slide as NAI for her.
414 has a strong point from ausuka about gemerald but she surely cant be serious on wagonomics.
419 is effectively the debut post of wagonomics info-wise. And it tells us... not much. Still not contributing anything other than value scores it seems anyone could calculate. Could be not_mafia memeing us in which case I'd be quite happy to kill him.
433 (vax) - entirely the opposite of why I was scum reading varsoon there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
465 (cheeky) - one thing I've seen about newbies, is that newbie town often looks REALLY scummy. More often than newbscum even (when I was new to mafia I was a perfect example of this, I could kinda blend in as scum but as town I was floundering and clueless).
466 (partyboat) echoes my thoughts exactly, but see the above.
467 - I love the character in purely flavour terms, but for the purposes of the actual game I haaaaaaate having to try and get reads from this. Stuff like this is bad townie praxis y'all.
476 nah sheep is weak-ish town at this point varsoon is scummy

PSA, since a couple of people have said this: imho fast early days are shit, early days generate banks of information which can be used to look for associative tells, groups of actors and just trends of posts in general that are super useful after you have a couple flips for sorting the wheat from the scum, whereas quick lynches prevent the collection of information that can be analysed especially when you have low energy posters that would likely be policy lynched.
(ofc intense, detailed early days are more difficult to catch up on for us idiots who forget about the game for a week but thats not the point)

TheBrie (512) makes the point that potato's posts are largely derivative, but again, I firmly believe this is a newbtown trait people like to jump on as scummy, and I'm super suspicious of all the people completely okay with this lynch!
And in 520 sheep echoes my thoughts on varsoon. But I fully dislike the idea that his playstyle is similar to potato's, varsoon is scummy because he backpedalled away from talking about the neighbourhood the moment he thought being in it made him look scummy. And the potato was obvtown. 523 thereby is the definition of a bad take.
hebi's sheep vote (530) is also not good. I think its blatantly obvious how varsoon responded badly.
partyboat - 543 - suggests voting... the obvious wagon and two players who've hardly contributed. Which does not give me happy feelings at all.....
and then nancy (553) buddies him. This actually is interesting and I'm keeping a note of this

The Brie (560) seems actually reluctant to vote for the potato and I'm not sure whether in a "don't blame me when we mislynch" way or a genuine way. Which is a shame as I was building a pretty strong townread on that slot
600 - O B V I O U S N E W B I E T O W N
Since I'm seeing it discussed around here hebi is 95% town
612 and 614 - okay yh the potato is being super anti-town newbie here i'll concede this
650 is baaaaa'd the claim was a newbie claim, for a clearly inexperienced player claiming jailkeep at l-2 with a rapidly building wagon is perfectly fine.
kokichi makes a lot of low info posts
752 & 757 wagonomics needs to go. I'll be sad to see the back of these posts but he doesn't benefit town in any way
778 finally the potato posts reads... aaaaaaand they're not at all out of the mainstream. Not sure I agree yet on an ausuka TR
sheep's list (800) is reasonable bar scum reading hebi
There is not seriously a 4 person masonry. I'd almost believe this as scum team claiming a masonry y'know
and 844 (party boat) just reads weird after the masonry claim, in that he's still pretty insistent it's a neighbourhood and acting as if there's the possibility of multiple factions in it.
849 theta's CC seems genuine and I think two jailkeepers isn't unrealistic

Aaaaaaaaaand thats D1 over. The potato was objectively a shit lynch, even after the CC, but based on their posts 46 through 439 (and thats 40 separate posts) I understand the temptation to push the easy lynch, literally all of those posts were fluff, IIOA or questions about general gameplay/wording that could've be answered by a cursory look at the wiki. BUT - this is somewhere I think scum would have been able to push with relatively little fear of backlash and I think it would be pertinent to look at who was really pushing this wagon, or who was sheeping without any real reason to.

Holy shit this post reads like my economics notes


I’m in an actual neighbourhood, not a masonry and not a scum team. :lol:

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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Post Post #953  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:17 am

P.edit. If I was going to be masons with anyone, it would be Purrcocet. :wink:

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Post Post #954  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:58 am

nancy when will you learn to quote

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Post Post #955  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:33 am

In post 954, Wisdom wrote:nancy when will you learn to quote


???

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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Post Post #956  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:35 am

You still quote the whole post instead of what you want to answer to

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Post Post #957  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:46 am

In post 956, Wisdom wrote:You still quote the whole post instead of what you want to answer to


In this particular case, I wanted to quote the whole post.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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Post Post #958  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:18 am

Spoiler:



HAPPY FESTIVUS, EVERYONE!!!

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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Post Post #959  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:35 am

Ok light ganski is town, I liked their catchup
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Post Post #960  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:43 am

In post 864, Xtoxm wrote:can someone explains why a duplicate role means something in a 24p game

This pinged me of TMI especially if Theta is town
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Post Post #961  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:44 am

good point

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Post Post #962  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:08 am

In post 960, singletonking wrote:
In post 864, Xtoxm wrote:can someone explains why a duplicate role means something in a 24p game

This pinged me of TMI especially if Theta is town

meh i interpreted it as hypothetically asking how much sense a world with a duplicate town role would make?

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Post Post #963  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:47 am

In post 962, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 960, singletonking wrote:
In post 864, Xtoxm wrote:can someone explains why a duplicate role means something in a 24p game

This pinged me of TMI especially if Theta is town

meh i interpreted it as hypothetically asking how much sense a world with a duplicate town role would make?


I agree, I didn’t view it as TMI either. I often make statements such as I don’t want to mislynch X and sometimes get accused of that, when it’s obviously based on a read. And even if scum, without any NAs, since this comment was made on D1, how could he possibly know what her role is, if town?

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Post Post #964  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:56 am

meh

VOTE: Jaylow

it's kind of a lazy vote but i can be less lazy when jaylow and kokichi and gemerald have real reads for me to look at

most of the people actively posting look at least a little town to me excepting the people I've already mentioned and TheBrie. light's megapost isn't tears-of-joy good but like it's good enough to probably leave her alone for a while at least

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Post Post #965  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:24 pm

In post 837, Varsoon wrote:Okay so a few things
Thing 1.
It's not a neighborhood. It's a masonry.
Thing 2.
Lynch that sheep loser.

In post 839, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 837, Varsoon wrote:Okay so a few things
Thing 1.
It's not a neighborhood. It's a masonry.
Thing 2.
Lynch that sheep loser.


can confirm

In post 952, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I’m in an actual neighbourhood, not a masonry and not a scum team. :lol:


protip for the first two fake claiming masonry really isn't a good look
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Post Post #966  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:25 pm

Apologies for the lack of posts.. a combination of holiday responsibilities (this year was my turn to host the yearly family gathering) and a dead computer got in the way. I'll have a largish catchup/reads post tonight after I get home from work and get the computer fixed.

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Post Post #967  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:42 pm

Town
ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim
Weak town
the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)
Eh
vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi
Weak scum
purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm
Scum
jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon
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Post Post #968  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:42 pm

In post 921, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i like

lost half of my motivation to play after that leo flip though


REALLY?
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Post Post #969  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:33 pm

I'll catch up later sorry.
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Post Post #970  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:08 pm

i got back

my target last night was hebichan for anyone wondering
did not really have much of a reason for it as i legitimately thought there would not be duplicate jailkeepers in this game and based most of my reads off of that [ i referenced that with the 90% chance instead of 100% but all in all i did not seriously consider this outcome playing out ]
as town won 1 game | lost 5 games | mislynched 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled once | survived once
as scum won 2 games | lost none | lynched once | dayvigged once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum

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Post Post #971  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:03 pm

In post 967, light_ganski wrote:Town
ganski
theta alpine
hebichan
wagonomics after the claim
Weak town
the brie
sheep
nancy drew
singletonking (I guess? this is barely more than null)
ausuka (my gut was scum but I don't trust my gut)
Eh
vaxkiller
wisdom
kokichi
Weak scum
purrcocet (again... barely more than null)
party boat
gamma emerald
0verkill
xtoxm
Scum
jaylow (his one post was godawful)
vonflare (this one is for the death miller claim then disappearing, should policy lynch if we don't decide on anyone else)
varsoon


I can read Purrcocet fairly well and I feel pretty confident, they are never scum here.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #972  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:06 pm

P.edit. @ganski, your reads can’t be right if you have 3/4 of the neighbourhood as scum.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~ the worst

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Post Post #973  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:08 pm

In post 970, Theta Alpine wrote:i got back

my target last night was hebichan for anyone wondering
did not really have much of a reason for it as i legitimately thought there would not be duplicate jailkeepers in this game and based most of my reads off of that [ i referenced that with the 90% chance instead of 100% but all in all i did not seriously consider this outcome playing out ]


I have no NAs, so feel free to JK me tonight.

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
~ the worst

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Post Post #974  (ISO)  » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:10 pm

In post 951, Wisdom wrote:hey i was voting gamma

VOTE: gamma


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