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Relying on spirit of game is scummy. It just leaves town with as little information as possible, and that’s exactly the opposite of what we want.In post 284, Xtoxm wrote:
This is rather against the spirit of the game don't you think.In post 279, Karmeleon wrote:We should vote as normal and do a votecount every like two pages.
I need to know who's the spotlight.
However, for sure these first few days will be a chaotic mess, each of us trying to keep up with 22 other players and know their suspicions/ have some idea of any forming wagons. I think that’s something we realistically have to accept, but try our best to manage. Once the game reaches 9-12 players it will be a lot easier to spot tells and have a general idea of who everyone wants to lynch-
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But if scum have day talk, they can bunch their votes without posting here and we’d never knowIn post 297, Xtoxm wrote:
I actually don't think that would be as bad as you appear to think. Scum can't really pool votes without looking super obvious about it. But, come end of day people will be declaring who their vote is on, no doubt.In post 285, Karmeleon wrote:
So you mean the correct play is not explicitly saying who you want to lynch the most and let plurality luck do everything?In post 284, Xtoxm wrote:
This is rather against the spirit of the game don't you think.In post 279, Karmeleon wrote:We should vote as normal and do a votecount every like two pages.
I need to know who's the spotlight.
Literally doing our own vcs and wagoning in the normal way though, isn't something I'm interested in here.-
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While I know you're not entirely serious, this is still stupid to me. flippyNips = EFN and New Groove = ENG.In post 375, The Last Knight wrote:I eased up on BEF after reading some posts from others saying it was too paranoid to be scum. I could go either way because it could be fake paranoia too.
RCE, I want to scum claim you because all you've done is scum claim me because of my name. But it's only too early to tell.
I maintained and reignited my scum claim on Emperors New Groove because neither person in that hydra have posted more than one post collectively, and I'd like to force a response. But also because I want to limit the number of people with Emperor in their name to one (for nickname's sake) and because our lord and savior Boonskiies uses Kuzco as his avatar.... And there can only be one...
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I should ISO you, but I feel like -- some 16 pages in -- these are a majority of your posts. It's cool, it's funny, but what have you actually contributed to the game otherwise?In post 378, Elsa Jay wrote:
Can't we compromise and get me some grilled fish instead? There is literally no strategic purpose about it. I just want fish.In post 377, RCEnigma wrote:I am voting Knight btw. Team Evil Vs. Team Merc. I am drawing the house line now, pick a side.
Honestly, it's not an issue here. I'd just prefer if you start making serious posts.-
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I feel this so hard. But that's why I think it's time for jokes to be put aside and serious conversation to abound. If everyone's serious, it's easier to pay attention to them and get reads.In post 386, Elsa Jay wrote:We got too many people. More then 23 including the Hydras. We gotta thin the herd.
I cant remember everyone in this game, especially with the hydra slips. Sigh.
Reality show biz, my friend. You aren't appealing to the audience. Unfortunately, that means you gotta go.BrightEyedFish wrote:Elsa,
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It'd be hilarious if Thanos got lynched/killed on the same day Endgame comes outIn post 414, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I just watched Infinity War. You’re on my shit list.In post 412, Thanos wrote:I thought Lamees would've been posting more by now; Apologies for the inactivity, I'll take some more time before I get into the game.
It seems unlikely that scum!BEF knowingly pushed a slip he'd know no one else would agree on, and call attention to himself that way. BEF seems to have genuinely believed in that slip, which makes me think he's town.In post 259, davesaz wrote:Someone who is a human and thinks something is true but isn't 100% certain may say/write if/then logic as a natural linguistic effect of that uncertainty. This goes for whether the uncertainty is in the 1st or 2nd part of the statement.
Once you're in the pattern of if x/then y, modifying that pattern to another conditional to show certainty in x but conditional in y is possible, but to the writer unnecessary given they know what they are uncertain about.
I have never seen a legit slip of this type, and the people who call such so-called slips to attention have been scum at least half the time I've seen someone bring it up, possibly more.
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At this point, as one of the day's representatives, I don't see a huge opportunity or need to vote to end the day. Unless someone else disagrees, we need as much information as we can get Day 1, and ending the day early deprives us of that.In post 418, Thanos wrote:
Similar slip here; town methinks. Also, this is one of the slots whose ISO actually feels like they're trying to gamesolve, I appreciate that.In post 207, Nev and Max wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but our votes do have consequences. Just like the words and actions we make online have real world implications as well.
Votes in this thread will eventually lynch someone, trick is we never know when the day will end unless it goes to deadline or the 4 tell us when they are ending the day
Nev and Max are town.
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I will remain open about my feelings to vote, however. Besides, I'd have to vote ITT anyway, so everyone would know when I vote. Same goes for the other 3.-
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Why? Scum are more likely to know the mechanics of the game because it hurts them more to not know.In post 430, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Your assumption that not reading the game post is towny is unfounded.In post 429, Thanos wrote:
It's mentioned in the setup and yet DVa didn't know that.In post 426, DrewVa wrote:But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?
It's likelier for town in this scenario not to have read the setup properly and not know that public votes aren't counted.
It's less likely for scum to not know, IMO -- Making your slot likely town.
This is an early read, subject to change if there's stronger evidence.
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Man I love posts like this. Directly addressed to answering a question and still ignores itIn post 443, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Next time don't bury your question in a scummy catch up wall.In post 439, Nero Cain wrote:Cheeky is ignoring my question like she normally does as scum. This game is EZ mode.
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I'm still in the midst of catching up, but let me address this first -In post 616, Elsa Jay wrote:
I mean... IIn post 613, mcqueen wrote:
I should ISO you, but I feel like -- some 16 pages in -- these are a majority of your posts. It's cool, it's funny, but what have you actually contributed to the game otherwise?In post 378, Elsa Jay wrote:
Can't we compromise and get me some grilled fish instead? There is literally no strategic purpose about it. I just want fish.In post 377, RCEnigma wrote:I am voting Knight btw. Team Evil Vs. Team Merc. I am drawing the house line now, pick a side.
Honestly, it's not an issue here. I'd just prefer if you start making serious posts.couldstart talking out of my ass and accusing people for no reason, but it'd be disingenuous and won't hold any real merit.
I rather not get hung day 1, so at the moment I am letting the gamesolvers do their thing and making sure to point away from me so they stay on the right track. Later on I give my input on what happened during the night and see the connections being made by the gamesolvers and capitalize on them.
Other then the 5 man mafia team thing I brought up, you guys just do you and argue about scumminess.
This is so cliche scum it's laughable. Why don't you help gamesolve and push people you think are scum? Surely you have some sort of true reads, no matter how bad they are? (I'm just forming reads myself.) Can you at least state those and why?-
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Alright, I agreeIn post 624, Elsa Jay wrote:It hurts mafia and town power roles to not know the setup. McQueen, your just as likely to kill strong town who like to be prepared with that line of thinking.
Some people read the rules, and some don't. It's play style, usually NAI except on a case-by-case basis.-
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I do find his interaction with you hollow, but from my experience, he's still town. Scum wouldn't put themselves out there like that on Day 1In post 455, Nero Cain wrote:
So not a strawman. You are basically saying that I can't find RCE scummy b/c you didn't. Your use of buzzwords might impress new players and fool them into thinking you are town and/or know what you are talking about but I and everyone else knows this is hollow AF.In post 451, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Nice strawman.-
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1) I'mIn post 628, Elsa Jay wrote:Does anyone elsa want to explain my gimmick to McQueen or do I gotta do it?generallybad at understanding gimmicks unless they're explicitly laid out to me. However, I'm guessing you're doing this for reactions?
2) Also, I'm trying to get through pages upon pages and keep up with everything and everyone. Please go easy if I don't catch every reference and/or "gimmick" you're trying to pull. From my experience, trolling throughout an entire day then swinging in Day 5 or Day 10 (however long the game goes) is annoying and extremely hard to read. If you want a townread, start showing it. Don't sit back for reactions or whatever other reasons you have-
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How am I trying to kill town PRs by forgetting to include them in my post? Generally, scum will pay attention to the mechanics more, especially if they have day talk ideally they should all be on the same page. Town PRs lack this advantage, and even still, not knowing the private votes aspect still hurts scum the most.In post 631, Elsa Jay wrote:I literally just called you out for trying to kill the town power roles with the way you were going. Would You rather I push you?
Focusing on me just hurts you more. You dont have to townread me yet, and even if you personally check me, you won't believe me. I'm just a natural of being suspicious.
Why are you so focused on me anyway instead of some others? Is it... Because I've secretly been putting in effort all this time and you subconsciously recognized it?
No, I don’t feel your contributions to be completely satisfactory. I’ll give a little; you haven’t done nothing, but could you tell me who your town reads are and make that clear?-
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Here’s a few of my reads to get the ball rolling;
- Cheeky Dancer: town. His interaction with Nero was bad but that’s usually a town tell this early.
- Nero Cain: town. Played with him a long time ago. His playstyle seems the same (kinda sassy, as GE pointed out), but he seems genuine
- Nev and Max: leaning town. This guy(s) go hard. They’re out pushing Day 1 and as of now I don’t see why they’d be that way as scum-
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Maybe they don’t, but it’s possible they doIn post 633, Elsa Jay wrote:I dont have any yet so I'm still reading into it. Why should I lie to make a readslist? And who says scum have daychat? The rules specify "may or may not".
You seriously don’t have ANY townreads yet 26 pages in now? I find that hard to believe-
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Sorry, I got distracted last night. Anyways,
This isn't the point. We have no idea whether scum will be on a wagon by page 30, so assuming so and ending the day early is not a great idea from my perspective. We're relying on "if they're on a wagon." Sorry, I don't want to risk that. I'd rather get as much info from the thread for now.In post 575, RCEnigma wrote:In post 542, Nev and Max wrote:
I kinda dislike saying this, but I agree with the bolded part. Page 30 seems like an arbitrary number pulled out of an ass somewhere. Guy doesnt know where we are as a gamestate yet, and he is saying hes going to stop it in 8 pages (if he gets support from his othe r3) so he can catch up? Seems like an easy way to have all 5 scum votes on one unsuspecting player while the rest of us have our votes scattered and ultimately wasted.In post 499, Ramcius wrote:
oh, i won't, once we agree to your lynchIn post 498, Elsa Jay wrote:He's doing better then the other AFK crew that can end the day. Don't grill him for wanting the game to go forward.
but as we are now, we have no consensus on lynch, we barely have discussion and your friend here is trying end day without making any effort to find scum, so I feel like I have every right to grill him for it
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I really don't understand why you think this is a bad thing. There's only 11 irl days until the deadline IIRC (Dec. 28). That's not incredibly long. Maybe I'll vote to end the day with under 5 irl days left, but I don't consider that super "early"In post 576, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why do you want to drag out the day? That risks increased town apathy especially with the current rate of posting.In post 573, Ultimate Liars wrote:We might actually just have to change our vote from Drewva to Alonzo based on the last few pages.
That would be rather unfortunate.
Nero is probably town, he annoys me way too much in every game I'm in with him to let that make him a scumread.
Really though, I want more activity from myself and others. Let's let this game draw out as long as possible!
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In post 638, Cheeky Dancer wrote:I'm wondering why the Nero/Cheeky chacha was the only thing that really seemed to catch mcqueen's eye/thing he commented on in ~26 pages
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I saw a lot of people were jumping on RCE and a few others. Definitely worth an ISO, but I didn't see anything that gave me hard scum vibes from him or anyone else atm.In post 586, Something_Smart wrote:
I hate rolling scum but I don't post lessIn post 405, DrewVa wrote:Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?
I've had an extremely busy last few days, this game started at a terrible time for me. I'm catching up now.
I will say though, as I'm catching up, I'm having a hard time finding things that feel worthwhile to talk about. Maybe it's the lack of public votes but from the few pages I've looked at just now, it feels like people are just talking each other in circles.
I wanted to clear you up as town despite your awful accusation of Nero. If I'm giving out townreads, that's catching scum by PoE.-
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I'm not sure I understand your second sentence. Once 2 people vote to end the day (remember those votes go ITT), most people will start placing more serious votes.In post 590, Something_Smart wrote:It's almost certainly a bad idea to end the day this early.
But it would be very interesting to see where everyone puts their vote when they don't think anybody's watching.-
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Yes, that's what I was saying. Keep in mind I have no meta experience with most of these people, so my reads come explicitly off of what they post in this game.In post 636, Nero Cain wrote:
is this saying that you find Cheeky town? I mean yeah, scum Cheeky just general avoids me as to not make a scene but whats to say that she hasn't decided to change? We can call it null at best I think.In post 629, mcqueen wrote:
I do find his interaction with you hollow, but from my experience, he's still town. Scum wouldn't put themselves out there like that on Day 1In post 455, Nero Cain wrote:
So not a strawman. You are basically saying that I can't find RCE scummy b/c you didn't. Your use of buzzwords might impress new players and fool them into thinking you are town and/or know what you are talking about but I and everyone else knows this is hollow AF.In post 451, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Nice strawman.
I did use general meta as a basis for my read on them, though, because I always scumread people that make stupid pushes but they're usually town-
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What do you mean "no reason to townread people yet"? That kinda helps through PoE..., plus it helps you examine people pushing your townreads; are they legitimate pushes, or are they scum pushing a townie?In post 637, Elsa Jay wrote:
No real reason to townread people yet, I scumread first and see who I can trust later. I'm currently waiting to see if RCE and TLK go anywhere or if it drizzled out.In post 635, mcqueen wrote:
Maybe they don’t, but it’s possible they doIn post 633, Elsa Jay wrote:I dont have any yet so I'm still reading into it. Why should I lie to make a readslist? And who says scum have daychat? The rules specify "may or may not".
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I've not played with either head.In post 639, Alonzo wrote:In post 634, mcqueen wrote:Here’s a few of my reads to get the ball rolling;
- Cheeky Dancer: town. His interaction with Nero was bad but that’s usually a town tell this early.
- Nero Cain: town. Played with him a long time ago. His playstyle seems the same (kinda sassy, as GE pointed out), but he seems genuine
- Nev and Max: leaning town. This guy(s) go hard. They’re out pushing Day 1 and as of now I don’t see why they’d be that way as scum
have you played with both heads of Cheeky Dancer before?
Do you know who is in nev and max? how are they going hard?
I don't know who Nev and Max is, but for now they're very direct and pushy towards multiple people (you being one of them IIRC). For now, I think that warrants a townread. Most of his accusations seem plausible. If his reasons start to become thinner and thinner, that's when I'll re-examine him as scum.-
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Here:In post 701, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
I suppose we have different playstyles. Why was my accusation awful?In post 695, mcqueen wrote:I wanted to clear you up as town despite your awful accusation of Nero
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I already addressed this. Don't understand why you couldn't answer the question the first timeIn post 443, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Next time don't bury your question in a scummy catch up wall.In post 439, Nero Cain wrote:Cheeky is ignoring my question like she normally does as scum. This game is EZ mode.
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I didn't like this post. You're assuming Nero HAS TO view the same things as you, despite calling his question of such a strawman. I've done it, too, but basically saying, "No way you could have found it scum, it's so obvtown," especially when it's not, is well, bad play (for reference, I find RCE null after my first readthrough, but I mentioned above he deserves an ISO)In post 451, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Nice strawman. Tell me how you saw it as scummy then?In post 448, Nero Cain wrote:
Why do I have to think the same things as you?In post 446, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Because RCE had literally done nothing scummy.
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I'm sorry I missed that. It does put a little doubt in my Nero read, though... (unless I'm reading this wrong, too, he asks how it's scummy then calls RCE scummy later)In post 706, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 441, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Exactly.In post 413, Nero Cain wrote:how is that scummy at all?
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Mcqueen I answered his question before saying that in a smart ass way. Why? Well because getting emotional reactions is my way of reading people.In post 443, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Next time don't bury your question in a scummy catch up wall.In post 439, Nero Cain wrote:Cheeky is ignoring my question like she normally does as scum. This game is EZ mode.
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Second I didn't expect him to see it my way hence I said nice straw man - also at no point did I call RCE town, like you I considered him null but Nero's read on him looked opportunistic as I saw no scumminess in his reaction. That interaction between Nero/RCE read like RCE could have reacted to Nero's dayvig in any way and Nero would still scumread him for it.
Of course we have our own opinions, that's what the point of communicating is - to figure out what another is thinking and why - instead he turns it into a "I don't have to think the same as you" argument which is completely besides the point.
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Overall still think he's town, but it's good to keep and possibly look back on-
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Mind pointing both of these out?In post 720, Alonzo wrote:
AC for something in the early game that seemed devious. I'm at best null on them.In post 703, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Why did you scumread those 2?
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In post 750, Elsa Jay wrote:We got one folks. We may be able to end this before Christmas and enjoy family time after all.
No thanksIn post 754, Elsa Jay wrote:Xtoxm is a no-go, so unless you and McQueen vote to end the day, everyone is gonna disappear for Christmas and scum have an easy excuse to change their votes before the 28th.-
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I’m here. Sorry, I really haven’t felt up to replying the last few days, it’s my fault really. I have to catch up, but I have scanned the thread and here are two important things I should mention before I do so: first, I was (and still am) voting Elsa. I was arguing with her before and it was mostly gut feeling/policy lynch/ couldn’t decide on anyone better type of deal. That will most likely change after I’m done catching up, however. Second, I saw people still talking about ending the day. I still have no plans to vote for that to happen, unless someone made an extraordinarily good point as to why I should.- Emperor flippyNips
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Quoting this post because it's the first one that came up after my last (true) contribution.In post 767, Elsa Jay wrote:Well I currently dont like Alonzo, but that's unrelated to a scumread. Off the top of my head, I guess if I had to name the person i think has a decent chance to flip, it may actually be RCE. Seems to have went away now after stopping his engagement with TLK. Also defending BEF for no tangable reason, maybe to get towncred?
I'm going to sleep on it for now.
Just got done a game with Alonzo where he was scum. Pretty sure he's town this game. When he was scum he played pretty reserved; however he's very vocal and not afraid to get people's attention here and that's totally the opposite-
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Don't understand this post (maybe it's been addressed)In post 795, profii wrote:Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?
Our only communication as Day reps together is here. We don't get our own private thread or anything-
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Why is DrewVa a good lynch? So far, they've given me pretty strong townreads.In post 814, Alonzo wrote:Gamma, Elsa, Drewva, Max n Ned and Ultimate Lurkers are fine Lynches for today.
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[in reference to my above post] I disagree with Nev and Max as well (or, I agree with RCE of not lynching them today). I think they're townIn post 816, RCEnigma wrote:Don't like drewva or Nev (max is pretty irrelevant tbh) as lynches today. Overall though I don't have good scumreads and it's not even that there are a ton of people being town.
I'm not sure about Gamma, though. As for Elsa, well she still has my vote for the moment until I'm done reading-
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As of now, this lands RCE on my town list. Not exactly sure why multiple people keep bringing him up as someone they find scummy. I will do an ISO later, though, so stay tuned for thatIn post 833, RCEnigma wrote:
Ahh yes I do. Profii is a more vocal/involved player as town in my opinion. He's been present sure but his early game consisted of recommending ways to bring a votecount in that just seemed of to me for a few reasons:In post 820, Alonzo wrote:You said this game, implying you have previous with profii, and some sort of metric on how you form a read on him.
How did you reach scum! Profii?
1.) This setup disadvantages town due to the lack of votecount but I would argue it disadvantages Scum even more which leads to point #
2.) A votecount would be nice to have but not necessary. Town can likely coordinate without it. With it present it makes it easier for scum to spread their votes and town blend or throw of votecounts. Which is unfortunate because I think Profii is strong at VCA but not a part of my scum read. Overall I think scum can't afford to look too coordinated or they risk sticking out and that kind of weakens their sway on lynches.
I also don't buy Nero's demeanor being a surprise to Profii and read it as a soft defense of myself or Cheeky, that in itself is minor. But the way Profii came back to that specifically rubs me wrong. I don't get why he would be hung up on it when he's generally a player with a broader sense of the game and the slots around him.
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Someone please reiterate to me why RCE had/has scumreads?In post 838, Theta Alpine wrote:why did i not get on yesterday
on page 20 and catching up
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Why is she a townread of yours? Over the last few pages I've been reading, I still don't like her play.In post 904, Xtoxm wrote:Elsa is my first townread
Page 37. Not bad
@knight, pls change not voting category to unknown. You are putting fake claims in everyone's mouth. Thanx.
For example, she claims Ram to have his vote on her, but won't reveal her own vote. It's notactuallyhypocritical, but it's pretty close
I understand we have the right to keep our vote hidden if we choose, but when a large group within the playerbase agrees to out their votes, it just makes you look scummy not to cooperate-
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This exchange (and subsequent posts) between Elsa and TLK... I don't like it on TLK's end, but I can't place my finger on why.In post 916, Elsa Jay wrote:Yeah, I said RCE was more likely to be scum earlier because I liked TLK more at that time, but considering he ignored Ramcius point blank saying he was trying to lynch me, and he is trying to guide the lynch, he may possibly be partners with Ramcius.
Clearly you all don't like the idea of someone only having 2/3 votes dying, so lets bring up TLK and RCE again.
TLK literally scrounging for the votes is a way for scum to reestablish controll and take out the factor of the game that scare them.
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Sorry, I'm being a huge hypocrite here, but I agree with this (as of page 40 I believe)In post 982, Karmeleon wrote:Something_Smart looks bad too. He managed to make 12 posts with no reads at all, just complaints about thread activity and game mechanism, promises to catch up and "I can read hebichan" with no follow up.-
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Why are you still scumreading Nero?In post 985, profii wrote:ok so this game is confusing the heck out of me with no idea on where the VCs are up to - so my approach here is to read ISOs in most posts first order, as it will get easier as the task goes on
A summary sentence on everyone will be all for now:
Drewva - Never seen either players scum game but no alarm bells here
Elsa - think I saw a town slip so cool.
RCEnigma - this iso is a bit of a slow burner. interesting, maybe looking to see if town is going to mislynch itself kind of vibe
Gamma - I think he is ok but I'm not a great gamma reader tbh
Cheeky Dancer - I thought the stuff about the fake mason claim was genuine concern so I'll town that
Alonzo - I dunno, not a lot of meat on the bone so I'll reserve judgement for now as I don't know how to sort Alonzo well yet.
Ramicus - I don't like this slot, couple of posts I looked at that made me go 'wait wtf' so I'll probably vote here if nothing else pops up
Almost Chara - I think town, but more on the Almost part of the read as I've never played with Chara before.
Nero - not a read that's like omg this is scum we must lynch now, still a scum read, but idk, not really convincing me of town
nev and max - seems to be getting more stick than they merit I think?
Karmeleon - the towniest read so far I think
The Last Knight - not a fan of this slot, seems like trying to town
McQueen - I'm not even going to ISO this again, I was already town reading him pretty hard before I undertook this task.
Thanos - spotted a town slip
BEF - the grammar argument seems like a town thing to get involved in... but it is bef
Xtoxm - whilst acknowledging I am not a high content dude in this game, I think we are entering into the 'post more please' section of analysis. This slot is the first one, albeit minor scum ping here.
Something_smart - I kinda liked the self vote in the context of it's not actually a vote. Although SS said he didn't do it for that reason, I still lol'd - acknowledging he said he is busy, sympathy as I am too
Dave - slight town lean but early days.
ultimate liars - I definitely can't read Koki and what is Tsumigi
Both Emporers, theta - post more
I think that's your lot - If I missed anyone I blame the alt slippers :p
reflecting back on that - voting TLK
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Answering for someone else, but applies to me rn:
Not sure about Ram atm, have more concrete reasoning to place a vote on TLK (haven’t done so yet btw)
Also would be up for profii lynch as of this post. Nero pretty obvtown and others agree, yet he keeps his scumread on him-
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Nah. I like DrewVa as town still, but I feel their push on you is misguidedIn post 1033, Ramcius wrote:Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?
Initially questioned people who scumread Gamma, but what have he/she really done this game? As always, it’s hard to keep track, but IIRC most of their posts are one-two liners with not much actual content. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong-
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Not quite getting the agenda vibes, but I see where you’re coming from and will keep it in memoryIn post 1034, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You know I’m hit-or-miss at reading you anywayIn post 1030, Ramcius wrote:That's an interesting vote, coming from someone, who played quite a few games with me. Want to share reason for it?
As for why, I just don’t like the way you’re pushing things, I get the sense you have an agenda
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Why don’t you find TLK scummy?In post 1053, Nero Cain wrote:
use names.In post 965, RCEnigma wrote:I just find the people that piled onto your read of me are scummie
teach meIn post 968, Something_Smart wrote:I feel like hebichan is one of the few people in this game that I actually can read.
ewww. He has the same chance to be sent a scum pm as any of us. I don't like you saying that we shouldn't lynch him just b/c he's new and Boons friend. That said I don't find him scummy anyways.In post 988, Elsa Jay wrote:In order to teach the ways of Forum Mafia to Mister Boon's friend, clearly the best course of action is to lynch him day 1 as a lesson in what NOT to do here.-
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In post 1059, Nero Cain wrote:lets lynch in
2. Ultimate Liars (Kokichi /Hebichan)
8. Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer)
9. Theta Alpine
10. Elsa Jay
17. Ramcius
19. Emperor flippyNips
21. Emperors New Groove
22. RCEnigma
What L-1 are you referring to?In post 1060, Alonzo wrote:
I think they are trying to play like Not_Mafia again.....In post 1057, Nero Cain wrote:Daily reminder that since sparring with me Cheeky's hydra has been a lurk sack.
Watch your L-1's =)
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This wouldn’t result in a no lynch. Pretty sure most of us would still be voting, so someone would get lynchedIn post 1064, DrewVa wrote:
We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.In post 1051, Thanos wrote:When did we decide to vote public?-
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MeIn post 1102, Elsa Jay wrote:My job is to be useless and fetch quotes sometimes for friends. Also be entertaining.
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Ok this exchange was alright at first, but both of you are carrying it on way longer than you shouldIn post 1113, Ramcius wrote:
no, RFB was 2017 May i believe, Upick 2018 FebIn post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:GiFPick and RFB rematch startedthe same month-
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Felt like this was a good post by TLK. Quoting it to look at again once I’m done reading the threadIn post 1119, The Last Knight wrote:
Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."In post 444, Ramcius wrote:
I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.In post 426, DrewVa wrote:
What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?In post 422, Ramcius wrote:
i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?In post 415, Thanos wrote:
From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.In post 30, DrewVa wrote:VOTE: Emperors New Groove
But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?
At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.In post 680, Ramcius wrote:
I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.In post 678, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Why do one thing per post when I can do many?
Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.
Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?
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As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic
Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).In post 793, Ramcius wrote:
what is your read on Elsa?In post 770, RCEnigma wrote:Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.
Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.
The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.
Other townie slots:
I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.
Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.
Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.In post 802, Ramcius wrote:
So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully notedIn post 801, RCEnigma wrote:I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.
And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).In post 1031, Ramcius wrote:
Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scumIn post 1025, DrewVa wrote:
Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.In post 1015, davesaz wrote:
Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?In post 976, DrewVa wrote: Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.
I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.-
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Again (sorry for repetition), remind me why your vote was still on RCEIn post 1121, Nero Cain wrote:My vote is currently sitting on RCE but I'd be ok with any of the slots I listed earlier. Of those Ram is the only one with a wagon on him.-
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[/spoiler]In post 1140, DrewVa wrote:Spoiler:
I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about himSpoiler:
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic
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This x1000In post 1173, Nev and Max wrote:
Nah, you remind me too much of me. You can stick around for a bit.In post 1033, Ramcius wrote:Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?-
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Sorry, I disagree.In post 1181, Nev and Max wrote:
I would second this idea. Saves us from having to waste a mislynch on a guess, and gives us the ability to focus elsewhere knowing that one of the inactive slots will eat a bullet one way or another.In post 1110, DrewVa wrote:
One of Nero’s lurker slots?In post 1108, Elsa Jay wrote:Then who would/should I shoot? Ramcius seems too obvious.
Not that I have much experience with vigs, but I don’t totally buy Elsa’s claim
If you are a vig (or have been given that ability) @Elsa, and you are town, why not shoot one of your scumreads?
I hate lurkers too (sorry for being one), but that doesn’t mean PL or policy kill (PK) them. Only scum do that to not leave a trail early on (referring to the killing part)-
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Get better broIn post 1192, Nev and Max wrote:Hey guys! Quick check in from Max. I just want to let everyone know I’m alive and well. I’m just checking out of rehab tonight, but hopefully next few days I’ll settle back into my normal routine. Well minus all those drugs and alcohol. Don’t do it guys. It’s addicting, next thing you know you’ll be in the back of an ambulance and lying in a hospital bed with an IV pole next to you trying to help you.
I’m glad though I have friends I can count on.
Thank you Nev. seriously buddy I love you.
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Bruhhh... nvmIn post 1195, Nev and Max wrote:
Roleplay. My partner is in good health, just spread thin.In post 1193, Elsa Jay wrote:... Uh. Max, is the rehab the RP or is that legitimate? Because that scares me.-
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If the bottom is true, I can’t wait to read your confessional post gameIn post 1205, Nev and Max wrote:
I dont know why we are assuming anything about anyones vote.In post 1199, RCEnigma wrote:
Well Ram explicitly said he was focusing on scum over lynching Elsa, he just wanted Elsa dead. Therefore you can assume Ram moved his vote.In post 1184, Nev and Max wrote:
I was being kinda snarky because i saw on TLKs update that Ram was on Karm. Tin foil hat theory, what if TLK knew Rams vote wasnt on you?In post 1178, Elsa Jay wrote:How do you explain him being so agreeable with the unknown part but pushing back against me for trying to make him use common sense to assume Ramcius was voting me?
I assumed this was a joke because he mentioned democracy while going after the queen. Since votes in this thread dont count, and at that point we werent doing anything with votes, i dismissed this.In post 403, Ramcius wrote:VOTE: Elsa Jay
guess i have to take the lead to bring democracy to this place
Then we get this:
Which is immediately followed by this:In post 499, Ramcius wrote:oh, i won't, once we agree to your lynch
Which is essentially what Elsa has been doing with BEF, right. Just calling for a lynch without backing it up with any reasons (well, real reasons. I think you said something about him being a target for you?) over and over?In post 503, Ramcius wrote:i didn't said Elsa is scum
And if anyone was confused still they shouldnt be after this:
And this just in case:In post 523, Ramcius wrote:my vote still not on Elsa, so your vc isn't accurate
963 is the first time he says he made a vote, on Karm (I am very ok with that vote btw).In post 692, Ramcius wrote:that VC was obvious joke, but even then i said it was wrong
Im pretty stoned and forgot what my point was here. I think it was something about the fact that we dont really need to speculate on where someones vote was when. I've been changing my vote every time i make a post in my confessional. Ive been using it as a dating advice call in show on the side.-
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I’m on page 50 but I have things to do. Will be back later tonight if time warrants.
Sorry for my difficulty keeping up, here’s an updated readslist:
- TLK, scummy.
- Ram, misrepped hard, bad town.
- Elsa, I guess town.
- Nero, town.
- Nev and Max, town.
- RCE, town. Still need to do an ISO.
- Alonzo, town.
- DrewVa, town.
- Something_Smart, town. Please try to post more, though.
- Karm, null. Need to ISO.
- BEF, no idea. Wanna ISO later.
Rest either I forgot or don’t know. Someone keep me accountable, I’ve gotta finish reading by tonight and ISO 3 people by tomorrow night-
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See, I don’t agrew with DrewVa’s push on Ram. Think it was overexaggerated. But otherwise, DrewVa has been very town to me, so idkIn post 1260, Thanos wrote:
I did read that.In post 1258, Ramcius wrote:DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"
DrewVa's asking you for your defense against TLK when it's so easy to read your ISO and find 1127 and 1218 makes her push seem lazy, and the lack of willingness to back her claim of seeing similar scumslips is bothersome.
The feeble push here with that serious tone feels a bit scum-motivated to me *shrug*
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