I'll start with BEF. Skimming his ISO the first time, I saw a lot of posts and not a lot of content, most posts just coasting by. Unfortunately, that description also fits about half the slots in this game, so it's not really enough for me to scum read BEF alone. One thing to note however, is that aside from his furious mbaki tunneling since the middle of day 1, his other votes have been opportunistic or otherwise lackluster:
In post 659, BrightEyedFish wrote:Yyotta has had time to show why we shouldn't lynch him but hasn't done anything to show why he is a bad lynch.
I'm just going to throw my vote back his way for his lack of persuasion and to get things moving along
VOTE: YyottaCat
That's L-2.
Not, "I think Yyotta is scum," but "She hasn't done anything to make my vote on her look bad." This isn't a good look.
In post 728, BrightEyedFish wrote:
Just as yyotta gets to L-2, mbaki unvotes even though he is "Perfectly thrilled with" the yyotta lynch. Scum buddies perhaps?
VOTE: mbaki
Not really related to BEF, but something I noticed. This is actually a point towards mbaki being town now that we know Yyotta is town.
Another vote without much reason except for "hoping it will be a successful one."
So this post is bad because it might be construed as a cop claim and be fishing for something like that, and it also continues the unending tunnel vision on mbaki. However, I don't think the tunneling on mbaki is inherently scummy. As a rule, mafia generally aren't so fixated on tunneling one person, especially not someone who isn't just easy mislynch bait (which I don't think mbaki qualifies as). I think this is more of a town tell much for the same reasons I think Oka is town. It's a bad case and both players are letting emotions more than anything guide them, but scum doesn't really let emotions cloud who they vote for so much, it doesn't play towards their win condition. On the other hand, Vork's push on mbaki doesn't feel as driven by frustration or emotion.
In post 1122, BrightEyedFish wrote:I went through rb's ISO twice. First I SR Vork and mbaki and on the 2nd go through I SR vork and DDL. The common name in both reads in vork so I feel comfortable with putting vork at L-1.
VOTE: Vorkuta
Reading through this the first time I saw this as a way to just hop on the easier ML, and it could still very well be that if Vorkuta flips town. But, reading through Vorkuta's ISO again, assuming he was town might have been a mistake. The NK still doesn't make perfect sense, but Vorkuta was one of three people rb was pushing D1, so there is that. In fact, rb was pushing Vorkuta, DDL, and BEF to about equal degrees, except he never voted for BEF nor did a wagon really build on him. By association, that makes me like BEF as scum more than Vorkuta, but by posts alone, Vorkuta is way worse.
In post 290, Vorkuta wrote:Well what's an example of obv!town behavior?
And are you literally just clearing people based on... meta interactions, and RVS justification?
In post 501, Vorkuta wrote:
I invoke
potato
Leodanny's
Like you guys are just handing town reads out like participation trophies.
Here are two times where Vorkuta expresses annoyance at the abundance of town reads. While town reading with some BS justification doesn't help town, how annoyed he gets by the amount of town reads doesn't follow that. A large part of this game is figuring out who the strongest town reads are and then sorting the rest of the players via process of elimination. Lots of town reads is bad for scum and good for town, at the very least it means scum has less easy lynches to push. Vorkuta trying to discredit masses of town reads on two separate occasions is bad.
In post 376, Vorkuta wrote:I'm willing to jump on the DDL wagon (when/if he comes back) even though it doesn't really make sense to me..
In post 374, BrightEyedFish wrote:I don't know if he is trying to use AtE to get people off of him and its having the opposite effect or what
Pretty much this- I think scum is way too classy to AtE, especially come D1...
The first sentence of this post is scum central. Why the fuck do jump on a wagon that doesn't make sense to you as town? You should only be willing as scum who wants to mislynch. As town you either get justification or push a scum read that does make sense to you, which he apparently had none of at this time?
In post 386, Vorkuta wrote: In post 382, mbaki wrote:you are currently voting Suka, the person you're dismissing as town, and not YYotta
Sorry, that was just me wagon hopping.
If I can get a Yyotta
policy
wagon going, then I'll get on it.
Otherwise I'll just park my vote nowhere until someone registers on my scum radar beyond a reasonable doubt.
UNVOTE:
In post 442, Vorkuta wrote:VOTE: Yyotta unless she says literally anything, at which point I hop on the suka wagon.
Barring future developments of course.
"I'm just gonna vote this easy mislynch target unless I can vote somewhere else that looks good." This is worse than BEF's hop on Yyotta.
Also worse than BEF's hop on DDL.
In post 1182, Vorkuta wrote:
-Why are you guys giving the lurksacks and fluffposters a huge pass and not pressuring them to say something?
Your entire game plan, reasoning, and logic basically hinges on ME to flip red, leaving you in a complete crisis with a third of the player cast unaccounted for when I flip green.
You're wrong Vorkuta. If you flip green, we lynch BEF.
mbaki has already explained why his post #1294 is bad, I believe.
In post 1566, Vorkuta wrote:ELI5- What's the wincon for a traitor IF the traitor is dead?
Does said traitor still win with a scum victory or a town victory?
This doesn't seem genuine.
In a world where Vorkuta misses the rb crumb or doesn't interpret it as one, he's very much scum. That possibility is probably more likely than I originally assumed, and likely enough that BEF lynch doesn't really work off of assuming Vork is town. (which I think is what Oka was trying to get me to realize before) If Vorkuta does flip town however, I do think BEF is most likely scum. I'm fairly certain there is 1 scum in this pair. If we lynch both and I'm right we'll be left with 6:1, which is a great position to be in.
Vork should probably claim
