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Gamma Emerald
Spoiler: Lean Town
ReaperOfSouls
Spoiler: Lean Scum
Gnelf
Spoiler: Lean Town
Egix96
Spoiler: Lean Scum
MariaR
Spoiler: Null
Dunnstral
Spoiler: Lean Town
Clemency
Spoiler: Lean Scum
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Spoiler: Lean Town
Persivul
Spoiler: Probably Town
Almost50
Spoiler: Null
PenguinPower
Spoiler: Town
Lovebird
Spoiler: Null
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Not as confident in my reads as I normally am. Too many people (Egix, Maria, Reaper, Clemency) have gotten away with mainly fluff posting and it makes it really hard to discern alignment. Also, leaving your votes parked on a lurker slot to pressure the replacement? Seems mainly like an excuse to not engage with other players. What if it took a while to find a replacement? And the fact that the closest we've gotten to a lynch is L-3...explains why I am having trouble with the reads. Wagons generate content.
Also, just going to head off the OMGUS accusations now: Yes, I realize two of my scum reads are on my wagon. No, I don't think they are both scum (I don't think scum would wagon back to back like that), but I think that's where pressure needs to go and I bet one of them is.
Also, disclaimer, this is an alt of Slaxx, I just can't access the account currently. So if meta is your thing have at it. I have a couple completed games on this guy as well from a while back.- LolWagons
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I amIn post 224, LolWagons wrote:VOTE: Clemency
On mobile, will do PbP and prelim reads in a bit.
Take a look at that ISO and tell me that’s not scum though.- LolWagons
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I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.In post 239, MariaR wrote:You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?- LolWagons
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Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.In post 243, MariaR wrote:
Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.In post 241, LolWagons wrote:
I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.In post 239, MariaR wrote:You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?- LolWagons
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Welp I'm not going to lie about my read just so you will. I explained pretty clearly it was a mixed bag.In post 244, PenguinPower wrote:
It was a waffly read, and easy to pass off as null. I don't like it.In post 233, LolWagons wrote:Because he's a null read, as I explained in my post. Going after the leaning scum read who has not contributed and who everyone let feign activity the whole day today.
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You'd have to actually contribute to do that, if you're town.In post 249, MariaR wrote:
Keep thinking that buddy. When I get scum lynched we'll see who's talking lolIn post 245, LolWagons wrote:
Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.In post 243, MariaR wrote:
Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.In post 241, LolWagons wrote:
I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.In post 239, MariaR wrote:You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?- LolWagons
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Also for the record, I had that Clemency vote up first. If you were concerned about ascertaining alignments and not picking fights you might have noticed.In post 239, MariaR wrote:You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?- LolWagons
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Looks like I got her buddy!In post 251, Dunnstral wrote:
Your tone and play got really weird after he posted that reads listIn post 249, MariaR wrote:
Keep thinking that buddy. When I get scum lynched we'll see who's talking lolIn post 245, LolWagons wrote:
Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.In post 243, MariaR wrote:
Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.In post 241, LolWagons wrote:
I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.In post 239, MariaR wrote:You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?- LolWagons
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By sheeping the clear?In post 254, MariaR wrote:
Strange I have a vote down? I'm pushing a lynch? Looks like I'm contributing!In post 250, LolWagons wrote:
You'd have to actually contribute to do that, if you're town.In post 249, MariaR wrote:
Keep thinking that buddy. When I get scum lynched we'll see who's talking lolIn post 245, LolWagons wrote:
Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.In post 243, MariaR wrote:
Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.In post 241, LolWagons wrote:
I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.In post 239, MariaR wrote:You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?- LolWagons
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Oh, but I provided reasons.In post 255, MariaR wrote:
Don't care I'm busy pushing a legit scum instead of an empty slot that you're calling scum forIn post 252, LolWagons wrote:
Also for the record, I had that Clemency vote up first. If you were concerned about ascertaining alignments and not picking fights you might have noticed.In post 239, MariaR wrote:You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?no reason
Did you know that if you click the spoiler tag more text appears? Maybe thats the confusion here. I mean I'd expect a list mod to know, but- LolWagons
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It serves a purpose. Also obligatory "I didn't start it"In post 263, Lovebird wrote:
No need to be rudeIn post 257, LolWagons wrote:Did you know that if you click the spoiler tag more text appears? Maybe thats the confusion here. I mean I'd expect a list mod to know, but- LolWagons
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WhyIn post 261, Lovebird wrote:Don't think it's clemency.- LolWagons
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That might be achieved with a wagonIn post 269, Lovebird wrote:IDK, it's still kinda early in low activity game. Ya, maybe he could be scum. But, IDK if I could say so for sure so far.
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Yes thanks for coming in to defend yourself and then doing absolutely nothing else.In post 276, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
Cast a full 8 hours before you replaced in.In post 215, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
I am willing to be one of them.In post 214, Almost50 wrote:
I'd add another 2 votes on this one to force the replacement to catch up and play rather than play for time.In post 212, davesaz wrote:Shema has not posted after being prodded, seeking replacement. They can continue in the game if they post before a replacement is found.
Prodding Lovebird.
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Your worry was with me “sheeping” two reads. I say, well, actually I had this vote down first. So max I sheeped one read. Mara says “I don’t care” and you say “Meh still feels off”. Is sheeping one read on someone suspicious or not? Simple stuff.In post 283, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Meh. Still feels off.In post 280, LolWagons wrote:Except I laid down that vote on Clemency before Gnelf.- LolWagons
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I don’t think I agree with the logic of what you’re saying but I at least get where you’re coming from.In post 285, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well I also noticed you last stated scumread EgiX has a comparison to Clemency and ROS so it just struck me as off how you seemed to be basing your reads off of that
Sorry man, my reads are my reads. It’s unfortunate that G beat me to posting them but I’m obviously not changing them because people don’t like that they came after someone else’s.- LolWagons
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Already did.In post 287, Clemency wrote:take a look at my meta thanks
Literally like your fourth ever post in a newbie game was something like “let’s stay on topic this isn’t a chat room”
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Yeah how dare I ask someone for reads in a mafia gameIn post 297, Clemency wrote:"defend yourself" *defends myself* "omg why arent you giving reads"- LolWagons
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How about pay attention in class, then when you’re not in class, actually engage?
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That’s not at all what happened there. I asked you to be more active and engage more, you said you were in class, and I said be active out of class. You’re creating a contradiction where none exists.In post 302, Clemency wrote:lmao you want me to not even be here while you tunnel my slot- LolWagons
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There were like four people who were in the thread feigning activity but you kept your vote parked on an empty slot. Why not vote someone else and then when the new person gets in vote them?In post 336, Almost50 wrote:
If I said it was for pressure, sure. But I said to make them play. It thus follows if they don't play they're gonna get lynched.In post 229, LolWagons wrote:#214: You know if you say your vote is for a specific reaction you pretty much forfeit that reaction from happening right?- LolWagons
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Oh damn changing my vote after you actually generate content big scummyIn post 340, Clemency wrote:
"oops the lurker retaliated better move off"In post 335, LolWagons wrote:On mobile right now but I have egg on my face. Sorry Mara. Still not really convinced by Clemency but I got what I needed from that pressure and my vote feels better here now
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Get better idolsIn post 344, Clemency wrote:a50 is my idol- LolWagons
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Do you want me to try to defend the person I replaced? That’s not happening.In post 348, Clemency wrote:
you conveniently avoided answering anything about that post other than the last lineIn post 345, LolWagons wrote:Lol you’re really not even trying. I am that slot. I can at least assure you it won’t flip scum though!
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Cool! We’re good then?In post 355, Clemency wrote:
ah dang i guess none of that matters now you got me ggIn post 353, LolWagons wrote:
Do you want me to try to defend the person I replaced? That’s not happening.In post 348, Clemency wrote:
you conveniently avoided answering anything about that post other than the last lineIn post 345, LolWagons wrote:Lol you’re really not even trying. I am that slot. I can at least assure you it won’t flip scum though!
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ExplainIn post 364, Clemency wrote:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacyIn post 361, LolWagons wrote:How many times are you going to forget PP is the IC?
I truly don’t think you’re putting in any effort to scumhunting. Every time you post you blunder.- LolWagons
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Okay but the point is you keep forgetting he’s clear and you thought the Shema and I were separate people. To someone who is town it just looks like you’re trying to feign generating content but keep screwing up.In post 363, Almost50 wrote:I don't bloody care if he is the mod even. He's USELESS (and he can claim that's a personal attack all he likes, but I'm clearly talking about his play. He's doing a good job as a list mod, but his playing skills are way way way below par. Sorry if that hurts his feelings.)- LolWagons
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And Ejix too. But those don’t look like they’re taking off today. Not at these activity levels.In post 362, Almost50 wrote:You did not state suspicion on >ME< when you entered the game. You stated suspicion on Celemency and ROS, and you didn't even pursue it in the case of ROS, but you saw an opening to your "final destination" and you went straight to it.- LolWagons
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What am I missing from his case? He literally took three paragraphs to say I didn’t vote another scum read.In post 368, Clemency wrote:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cherry_pickingIn post 361, LolWagons wrote:How many times are you going to forget PP is the IC?
I truly don’t think you’re putting in any effort to scumhunting. Every time you post you blunder.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Selective_attention
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
you're only answering specific parts of a50's case- LolWagons
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ProductiveIn post 371, Clemency wrote:a50 and clemency vs lolwagons and persivul
get your tickets here ladies and gents- LolWagons
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In post 372, LolWagons wrote:@Pers
She was right about A50. I hadn’t ISO’ed him. About half the posts are fluff and a lot of the activity is feigned.
It wasn’t really evident until it was in isolation. That was on me for not ISOing each player before reads I guess. I mainly did PBP except for my scumreads.- LolWagons
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Well the important thing is you tried to contribute.In post 397, ReaperOfSouls wrote:Started as a wagon to ensure pressure. But lol hasn't given me a reason to remove my vote. Quite the opposite.- LolWagons
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I get A50's case on me, or the logic of it anyways. I think its daft, like I don't think its that scummy to vote a null read with a wagon already on it than to vote a scum read with 0 votes. If I felt like I had more town pull, like if I had led a lynch on scum on a previous day or town trusted me more, then I could see the logic. But I clearly don't have pull here, and that's fine. You don't get to be the leader in every game (hard as I might try).
But to vote a null read with 3 days until deadline and a wagon already formed? Meh.- LolWagons
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My biggest issue with A50 is honestly the wordiness and fluff, or signal to noise ratio in his posts, and the fact he keeps making mistakes when typing out posts. If you're truly hellbent on figuring out who scum is do you really forget to rule out an innocent? Do you really forget your scumread was a replacement for your last scumread? I don't think so.
It would maybe be different if he had the activity level of Clemency and did that, because then the effort would be consistent within the slot. Low word count, sparse posts, maybe someone who isn't really checked in. But with A50, he is posting often and is very wordy with many of his posts. So it looks like someone who is putting a lot of effort into posting but maybe not as much into scumhunting.
It needs to be noted if this was once it wouldn't be a big deal. People make mistakes. But it is a pattern.- LolWagons
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What connections? Who's scum together?In post 417, ReaperOfSouls wrote:So when I flip town, the explanation for the connections between some of you will be?- LolWagons
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You're a goober.In post 419, Almost50 wrote:
But that's the point. I was only the SECOND vote on your slot. I didn't vote you AFTER a wagon had formed on you, but rather made that wagon happen.In post 401, LolWagons wrote:I get A50's case on me, or the logic of it anyways. I think its daft, like I don't think its that scummy to vote a null read with a wagon already on it than to vote a scum read with 0 votes. If I felt like I had more town pull, like if I had led a lynch on scum on a previous day or town trusted me more, then I could see the logic. But I clearly don't have pull here, and that's fine. You don't get to be the leader in every game (hard as I might try).
But to vote a null read with 3 days until deadline and a wagon already formed? Meh.
I was sayingIwould prefer to vote a null read with a wagon than a scumread with no wagon, when the following are true:
1) I haven't telegraphed my towniness enough for enough town to trust my wagon and
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You just gonna ignore me Reaper?In post 418, LolWagons wrote:
What connections? Who's scum together?In post 417, ReaperOfSouls wrote:So when I flip town, the explanation for the connections between some of you will be?
Frankly, no one really cares if your reads have changed because no one knew what they were in the first place.- LolWagons
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Oh shit is the hydra scum?In post 227, Gnelf wrote:I think people who hopped on the Shema = Scum bandwagon are scum (ROS and Clemency). It's kinda suspicious how Clemency claims he "forgot" about this game. If I was scum I would just hang back until I could join a bandwagon to get a lynch asap.
VOTE: Clemency
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WhatIn post 431, Gnelf wrote:In post 227, Gnelf wrote: until I could join a bandwagon
Like yes just ignore this part of the argument
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