Open 742: C9++ (Game Over)

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Clemency

On mobile, will do PbP and prelim reads in a bit.

Take a look at that ISO and tell me that’s not scum though.

[LolWagons]

Fucking A here I am typing up my post and you come and take the wind out of my sails Gnelf

[LolWagons]

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler: Lean Town

#135: Honestly thought his vote was fine on this slot, I know its my slot, but that was a good discussion starter for that early in the game. I like him laying down his hand here, wish he would have waited for A50 to answer the question first though.
#143: Good read, agree

There's a lot of posts here but those are the two that stuck out. Proactive, driving discussion, seems town.

ReaperOfSouls

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#99 Probably not scum buddies with the hydra
#125: Okay
#205: Okay
#215: Okay

Profile pretty much identical to Clemency. No contributions, lots of fluff, no original thoughts.

Gnelf

Spoiler: Lean Town

#167: Yes

Slight town because they voted my scumread and brought up what I was going to bring up.

Egix96

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#122: Ew
#126: Ew-er
#183: Ew
#201: Ew-er

Although engaging a bit more genuinely and directly than Reaper or Clemency still a lot of fluff and maybe a bit of buddying.

MariaR

Spoiler: Null

#9: Trolling for reactions, love it.
#64: Direct, I like it. One on one with Dunn doesn't really offer me any new insight into the read.
#174: Good read.

Overall an alright slot, Not a lot of participation outside a couple town reads and a one on one with Dunn so I'm not comfortable calling this slot lean town but if there was a gun to my head I'd call town.

Dunnstral

Spoiler: Lean Town

#68: Ew
#75: More Ew. That's not shade, it was a valid point. Pretty unabashed OMGUS.
#83: You're being active, I wouldn't call it proactive.
#89: But one of those was RVS...am I misreading something?
#107: Okay not his post but A50's, apparently Dunn gets run up a lot on day 1 accordin to Gamma, and a50 is reads him town. Doesn't mean he is immune to a scum role PM but that gives context I guess.
#142: Actually does read town, agree with Gamma.
# 197: Haha, now that's shade. That's how shade is thrown.

Overall a headstrong slot, I think with the lack of other strong personalities in this game it might work for you instead of against you here.

Clemency

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#101/#102: Unless "dab" is a significant contribution I'm unaware of, we are on 6 posts with nothing useful outside an RVS vote and no meaningful engagement with other players
#155: Okay seriously wtf how are people letting this guy gallivant around uselessly like this 7 pages in
#175: Sheeping a town read okay cool that's almost contribution.
#216: Okay great still nothing original to contribute
#217: I haven't

0verki11

Spoiler: Lean Town

#46 is good.
#173 is good.
#222 looks like the reasoning comes from town.

Not a lot of super strong tells but town seems fairly likely for this slot.

Persivul

Spoiler: Probably Town

#65/#66: Waiting before he shows his hand for Gamma's reaction is nice. Very Socratic type of play. Interested in reactions and thus alignment.
#76: More of the that
#115: I like you noticed this but agree he was just feigning confidence for reactions as he later stated.
#202: Is good pressure.

Probably my strongest town read. Seems the most engaged and the most direct. Definitely a drive to discern alignment and not just drive lynches.

Almost50

Spoiler: Null

#12: Okay, interesting. Are you implying we shouldn't take that at face value? Is there any reason to doubt the claim?
#118: Everything on this page seems town from A50. I like the questions he is asking and the interactions with Pers.
#214: You know if you say your vote is for a specific reaction you pretty much forfeit that reaction from happening right?

Going back and forth with this. Some fluff (like #12 above, and to a lesser extent #214), and the whole IC thing and posting in the wrong thread is making a little unsure where to place him because if he is that disengaged I don't know how confident I can be in any tells I think I pick up.

PenguinPower

Spoiler: Town

He's the IC. Duh.

Lovebird

Spoiler: Null

#105 I like the early reads even if at this point I don't agree with Dunn. LB seems to be playing transparently.

I like the amount of reads but the lack of explanation and proactive engagement is nullifying that. Seems like a pattern of swooping in, giving vague reads, then leaving.

General thoughts:
Not as confident in my reads as I normally am. Too many people (Egix, Maria, Reaper, Clemency) have gotten away with mainly fluff posting and it makes it really hard to discern alignment. Also, leaving your votes parked on a lurker slot to pressure the replacement? Seems mainly like an excuse to not engage with other players. What if it took a while to find a replacement? And the fact that the closest we've gotten to a lynch is L-3...explains why I am having trouble with the reads. Wagons generate content.

Also, just going to head off the OMGUS accusations now: Yes, I realize two of my scum reads are on my wagon. No, I don't think they are both scum (I don't think scum would wagon back to back like that), but I think that's where pressure needs to go and I bet one of them is.

Also, disclaimer, this is an alt of Slaxx, I just can't access the account currently. So if meta is your thing have at it. I have a couple completed games on this guy as well from a while back.

[LolWagons]

TL;DR Actually play the game, make wagons, and vote Clemency.

Thx

[LolWagons]

Because he's a null read, as I explained in my post. Going after the leaning scum read who has not contributed and who everyone let feign activity the whole day today.

[LolWagons]

^ Why we need to start forming wagons on people feigning activity and sheeping reads

You guys have let that shit go on too long

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Clemency

On mobile, will do PbP and prelim reads in a bit.

Take a look at that ISO and tell me that’s not scum though.

I am

[LolWagons]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.

[LolWagons]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.

Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.

Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.

[LolWagons]

Because he's a null read, as I explained in my post. Going after the leaning scum read who has not contributed and who everyone let feign activity the whole day today.

It was a waffly read, and easy to pass off as null. I don't like it.

VOTE: A50

Welp I'm not going to lie about my read just so you will. I explained pretty clearly it was a mixed bag.

[LolWagons]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.

Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.

Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.

Keep thinking that buddy. When I get scum lynched we'll see who's talking lol

You'd have to actually contribute to do that, if you're town.

[LolWagons]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

Also for the record, I had that Clemency vote up first. If you were concerned about ascertaining alignments and not picking fights you might have noticed.

[LolWagons]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.

Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.

Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.

Keep thinking that buddy. When I get scum lynched we'll see who's talking lol

Your tone and play got really weird after he posted that reads list

Looks like I got her buddy!

[LolWagons]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.

Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.

Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.

Keep thinking that buddy. When I get scum lynched we'll see who's talking lol

You'd have to actually contribute to do that, if you're town.

Strange I have a vote down? I'm pushing a lynch? Looks like I'm contributing!

By sheeping the clear?

[LolWagons]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

Also for the record, I had that Clemency vote up first. If you were concerned about ascertaining alignments and not picking fights you might have noticed.

Don't care I'm busy pushing a legit scum instead of an empty slot that you're calling scum for

no reason

Oh, but I provided reasons.

Did you know that if you click the spoiler tag more text appears? Maybe thats the confusion here. I mean I'd expect a list mod to know, but

[LolWagons]

Its the grey "show" button

[LolWagons]

Did you know that if you click the spoiler tag more text appears? Maybe thats the confusion here. I mean I'd expect a list mod to know, but

No need to be rude

It serves a purpose. Also obligatory "I didn't start it"

[LolWagons]

Don't think it's clemency.

Why

[LolWagons]

Don't think it's clemency.

Why

IDK, it's still kinda early in low activity game. Ya, maybe he could be scum. But, IDK if I could say so for sure so far.

Think it'll be easier with more posting.

That might be achieved with a wagon

[LolWagons]

Except I laid down that vote on Clemency before Gnelf.

[LolWagons]

Shema has not posted after being prodded, seeking replacement. They can continue in the game if they post before a replacement is found.
Prodding Lovebird.

I'd add another 2 votes on this one to force the replacement to catch up and play rather than play for time.

I am willing to be one of them.
VOTE: Shema

Cast a full 8 hours before you replaced in.

Yes thanks for coming in to defend yourself and then doing absolutely nothing else.

[LolWagons]

Except I laid down that vote on Clemency before Gnelf.

Meh. Still feels off.

Your worry was with me “sheeping” two reads. I say, well, actually I had this vote down first. So max I sheeped one read. Mara says “I don’t care” and you say “Meh still feels off”. Is sheeping one read on someone suspicious or not? Simple stuff.

[LolWagons]

Well I also noticed you last stated scumread EgiX has a comparison to Clemency and ROS so it just struck me as off how you seemed to be basing your reads off of that

I don’t think I agree with the logic of what you’re saying but I at least get where you’re coming from.

Sorry man, my reads are my reads. It’s unfortunate that G beat me to posting them but I’m obviously not changing them because people don’t like that they came after someone else’s.

[LolWagons]

take a look at my meta thanks

Already did.

Literally like your fourth ever post in a newbie game was something like “let’s stay on topic this isn’t a chat room”

You were town that game. And you engaged players more directly.

[LolWagons]

Having a scummy meta does not make one immune from getting a mafia role PM. I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face.

[LolWagons]

That’s not the only game I checked. Just the most memorable as the irony of seeing that post was thick given what I’m seeing in this game.

How about actually give a few reads?

[LolWagons]

"defend yourself" *defends myself* "omg why arent you giving reads"

Yeah how dare I ask someone for reads in a mafia game

[LolWagons]

i'm phoneposting from class atm

How about pay attention in class, then when you’re not in class, actually engage?

[LolWagons]

That way you get a good education and you don’t have an excuse to not give reads!

Win/win

[LolWagons]

lmao you want me to not even be here while you tunnel my slot

That’s not at all what happened there. I asked you to be more active and engage more, you said you were in class, and I said be active out of class. You’re creating a contradiction where none exists.

[LolWagons]

Okay well I’m off to bed for the night so you can take solace in knowing I won’t push your slot for the next like 12 hours.

Seriously dude, game aside, pay attention in class.

[LolWagons]

On mobile right now but I have egg on my face. Sorry Mara. Still not really convinced by Clemency but I got what I needed from that pressure and my vote feels better here now

VOTE: A50

[LolWagons]

#214: You know if you say your vote is for a specific reaction you pretty much forfeit that reaction from happening right?

If I said it was for pressure, sure. But I said to make them play. It thus follows if they don't play they're gonna get lynched.

There were like four people who were in the thread feigning activity but you kept your vote parked on an empty slot. Why not vote someone else and then when the new person gets in vote them?

[LolWagons]

Ew

[LolWagons]

On mobile right now but I have egg on my face. Sorry Mara. Still not really convinced by Clemency but I got what I needed from that pressure and my vote feels better here now

VOTE: A50

"oops the lurker retaliated better move off"

Oh damn changing my vote after you actually generate content big scummy

[LolWagons]

Lol you’re really not even trying. I am that slot. I can at least assure you it won’t flip scum though!

Pedit: uhuh

[LolWagons]

a50 is my idol

Get better idols

[LolWagons]

Lol you’re really not even trying. I am that slot. I can at least assure you it won’t flip scum though!

Pedit: uhuh

you conveniently avoided answering anything about that post other than the last line

Do you want me to try to defend the person I replaced? That’s not happening.

[LolWagons]

Lol you’re really not even trying. I am that slot. I can at least assure you it won’t flip scum though!

Pedit: uhuh

you conveniently avoided answering anything about that post other than the last line

Do you want me to try to defend the person I replaced? That’s not happening.

ah dang i guess none of that matters now you got me gg

Cool! We’re good then?

[LolWagons]

Oh I’m still suspicious of ROS. You can be suspicious of more than one person.

[LolWagons]

How many times are you going to forget PP is the IC?

I truly don’t think you’re putting in any effort to scumhunting. Every time you post you blunder.

[LolWagons]

How many times are you going to forget PP is the IC?

I truly don’t think you’re putting in any effort to scumhunting. Every time you post you blunder.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy

Explain

[LolWagons]

I don't bloody care if he is the mod even. He's USELESS (and he can claim that's a personal attack all he likes, but I'm clearly talking about his play. He's doing a good job as a list mod, but his playing skills are way way way below par. Sorry if that hurts his feelings.)

Okay but the point is you keep forgetting he’s clear and you thought the Shema and I were separate people. To someone who is town it just looks like you’re trying to feign generating content but keep screwing up.

[LolWagons]

You did not state suspicion on >ME< when you entered the game. You stated suspicion on Celemency and ROS, and you didn't even pursue it in the case of ROS, but you saw an opening to your "final destination" and you went straight to it.

And Ejix too. But those don’t look like they’re taking off today. Not at these activity levels.

[LolWagons]

How many times are you going to forget PP is the IC?

I truly don’t think you’re putting in any effort to scumhunting. Every time you post you blunder.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Selective_attention
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
you're only answering specific parts of a50's case

What am I missing from his case? He literally took three paragraphs to say I didn’t vote another scum read.

[LolWagons]

@Pers

She was right about A50. I hadn’t ISO’ed him. About half the posts are fluff and a lot of the activity is feigned.

[LolWagons]

a50 and clemency vs lolwagons and persivul
get your tickets here ladies and gents

Productive

[LolWagons]

@Pers

She was right about A50. I hadn’t ISO’ed him. About half the posts are fluff and a lot of the activity is feigned.

It wasn’t really evident until it was in isolation. That was on me for not ISOing each player before reads I guess. I mainly did PBP except for my scumreads.

[LolWagons]

Started as a wagon to ensure pressure. But lol hasn't given me a reason to remove my vote. Quite the opposite.

Well the important thing is you tried to contribute.

[LolWagons]

I get A50's case on me, or the logic of it anyways. I think its daft, like I don't think its that scummy to vote a null read with a wagon already on it than to vote a scum read with 0 votes. If I felt like I had more town pull, like if I had led a lynch on scum on a previous day or town trusted me more, then I could see the logic. But I clearly don't have pull here, and that's fine. You don't get to be the leader in every game (hard as I might try).

But to vote a null read with 3 days until deadline and a wagon already formed? Meh.

[LolWagons]

I think Reaper's last post alone is probably more indicative of an anti-town alignment than what I have done so far but then again I'm biased.

[LolWagons]

My biggest issue with A50 is honestly the wordiness and fluff, or signal to noise ratio in his posts, and the fact he keeps making mistakes when typing out posts. If you're truly hellbent on figuring out who scum is do you really forget to rule out an innocent? Do you really forget your scumread was a replacement for your last scumread? I don't think so.

It would maybe be different if he had the activity level of Clemency and did that, because then the effort would be consistent within the slot. Low word count, sparse posts, maybe someone who isn't really checked in. But with A50, he is posting often and is very wordy with many of his posts. So it looks like someone who is putting a lot of effort into posting but maybe not as much into scumhunting.

It needs to be noted if this was once it wouldn't be a big deal. People make mistakes. But it is a pattern.

[LolWagons]

I'd hop on either but think I would prefer RoS.

For anyone who has seriously not considered RoS...that ISO is super bad. Even if you think I'm scum just do me a favor and humor me, and look at it. It is low post count but it is not null.

[LolWagons]

VOTE: ReaperOfSouls

Bonzai

[LolWagons]

So when I flip town, the explanation for the connections between some of you will be?

What connections? Who's scum together?

[LolWagons]

I get A50's case on me, or the logic of it anyways. I think its daft, like I don't think its that scummy to vote a null read with a wagon already on it than to vote a scum read with 0 votes. If I felt like I had more town pull, like if I had led a lynch on scum on a previous day or town trusted me more, then I could see the logic. But I clearly don't have pull here, and that's fine. You don't get to be the leader in every game (hard as I might try).

But to vote a null read with 3 days until deadline and a wagon already formed? Meh.

But that's the point. I was only the SECOND vote on your slot. I didn't vote you AFTER a wagon had formed on you, but rather made that wagon happen.

You're a goober.

I was saying

I

would prefer to vote a null read with a wagon than a scumread with no wagon, when the following are true:
1) I haven't telegraphed my towniness enough for enough town to trust my wagon and
2) It is close to a lynch

[LolWagons]

So when I flip town, the explanation for the connections between some of you will be?

What connections? Who's scum together?

You just gonna ignore me Reaper?

Frankly, no one really cares if your reads have changed because no one knew what they were in the first place.

[LolWagons]

I think people who hopped on the Shema = Scum bandwagon are scum (ROS and Clemency). It's kinda suspicious how Clemency claims he "forgot" about this game. If I was scum I would just hang back until I could join a bandwagon to get a lynch asap.

VOTE: Clemency

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

Oh shit is the hydra scum?

[LolWagons]

until I could join a bandwagon

Like yes just ignore this part of the argument

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

What

[LolWagons]

From what I can tell y'all are asking someone to explain a scum read that you yourselves listed.

[LolWagons]

I must have had a bit too much beer tonight.

I seriously don't understand your transition from listing ROS as a scum read to asking for a case on ROS

[LolWagons]

I'm going to undo all the ortho work my parents spent on me and bite the bullet here, really not as for sure Clemency is scum. Just seems emotional and apparently always plays like this. His interactions with me were just...something totally different than I am used to. When he said "check my meta" I thought for sure he was scum hiding behind his meta, but when he started vaguely linking wiki articles to scum terms I just threw up my arms. I don't get that slot.

This is the reason we pressure all these content-feigning lurkers well before three days to deadline.

[LolWagons]

we would have joined one of the wagons already

What if you're scum with ROS?

If you vote Lolwagons then based on your contributions you would be reevaluated a little harshly, otherwise you're stuck bussing your partner

Except we're not. We're voting clem, and so far haven't gotten any reason to change, and that's what I'm asking for: someone to give me their reasons on why I should join a wagon or not.

Also IDK what bussing your partner means

I'll take "What is your own fucking posts?" for $500, Alex

[LolWagons]

Shit I think I messed up that joke

Point still stands

[LolWagons]

we would have joined one of the wagons already

What if you're scum with ROS?

If you vote Lolwagons then based on your contributions you would be reevaluated a little harshly, otherwise you're stuck bussing your partner

Except we're not. We're voting clem, and so far haven't gotten any reason to change, and that's what I'm asking for: someone to give me their reasons on why I should join a wagon or not.

Also IDK what bussing your partner means

Seriously why does town need incentive to change from one scum read to another then the one that they are switching to is a bigger wagon. Answer me this question.

[LolWagons]

I seriously don't know how else to phrase it. Someone else try.

[LolWagons]

gimme the baton, Blooblobby stepping in.
BiggieCheese had forgotten about my previous suspicion on ROS which we had mentioned in that post you linked earlier.
I don't think that ROS is a bad vote, but Clemency just looks like a better vote imo
also unsigned posts prob me, i forget to sign

Why is Clem > ROS

[LolWagons]

What am I making a defense for again? For adding my vote to a inactive slot when asked?

Yeah, that's why you're a Town lean for me. Scum do not usually want to join wagons on lurkers, because there's almost always a lurking scum in the game and they don't want to be called out on voting X and not voting Y

But you were voting me when I led a wagon on someone who was feigning contribution/lurking...

[LolWagons]

The more you talk the more I suspect you are deliberately "feigning" activity yourself.

I was already voting your slot before you even replaced in. Now what does that have to do with why I'm Town leaning RoS or why I was voting your slot?

Your phrasing implies I was voting you FOR doing so, when if fact I voted you way before you did.

Hence why I said “you were voting me” and not “you voted me after”

You are saying lurker hunting is a towntell because scum don’t want to have to defend a partner who lurks. Which first of all, is ass logic. But why’d you keep my vote on me after my reads? It’s inconsistent. My reads were on two low activity posters. The same logic you’re using to defend ROS should have been applied after my reads list, but you hung on.

I would love for you to tell me which part of my interactions over the past few days is “feigning” activity.

[LolWagons]

Why are so many people in this game reluctant to be transparent with their reads >_>

Y’all suck regardless but seriously if you’re town this is next level bullheadedness. You can’t possibly be working more hard to dodge the questions.

[LolWagons]

Deadline extension

[LolWagons]

VOTE: gnelf

L-1

[LolWagons]

Typically not and I don’t particularly like my company on the wagon but I didn’t really like another head of the hydra to come in and explain that the other head forgot about a scum read. It’s not a terrible lynch.

[LolWagons]

The entire wagon for Gnelf is on this page. Can someone think for a second if scum gets wagoned this easily?

Also you just said you weren’t opposed?

Did speed of the wagon really change your view that much? We are approaching deadline.

[LolWagons]

I don’t buy it. HammerTime

VOTE: Gnelf

[LolWagons]

Oh NVM that was a fake hammer.

You’re not supposed to announce it’s

[LolWagons]

VOTE: ReaperofSouls

[LolWagons]

VOTE: lolwagons

Ur a goober

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Clem

Idk can scum have memes that dank?

[LolWagons]

My logic from THIS GAME has NOT changed. It was the same setup, and I argued we lynch the first person to claim a VT, Nobody listened, and we ended up lynching the SECOND one (they were Town). Had we lynched the FIRST one we would have got the GODFATHER on D1.

I don't see how any of this is relevant

He’s setting me up to not be able to claim anything lmfao

[LolWagons]

Honestly I’m cool being lynched but you guys gotta go after A50 tomorrow. He is pre emptively and overly explaining practically everything he does.

[LolWagons]

And to elaborate further:

By lynching the VT claim we are:

1- Preventing the running if a TPR and forcing them to claim
2- Forcing Scum to fake claim TPR rather than VT

#2 means we may get a CC and still lynch scum (yes, that would out a TPR, but unlike letting VTs live this will be in exchange of lynching Scum). If not CC'd then they have cornered themselves.. like faking Cop and having to produce results.. faking Vig and having to have 2 kills per night AND justify theirs, faking Doctor and having to leave the claimed Cop alive bc they're presumably under their protection.. etc.

And also punching VTs, which is how you lose. But hey what do I know

[LolWagons]

Honestly I’m cool being lynched but you guys gotta go after A50 tomorrow. He is pre emptively and overly explaining practically everything he does.

I thought I was being suspected because I play weird and do NOT explain much!

You just go on these wild tangents about shit that doesn’t matter.

[LolWagons]

If you’re town I’d recommend Ritalin. It does wonders for me.

If you’re scum, good job fleecing people into thinking you’ve actually been topical I guess

[LolWagons]

That’s what I’m saying. I can’t claim without being lynched now because of your hair brained theory on a different game with the same setup

[LolWagons]

I don’t buy it. HammerTime

VOTE: Gnelf

Lame attempt at a fakehammer.
Can we vote Lolwagons now?

Yes, please get me out of this game. Y’all are fucking terrible

[LolWagons]

My logic from THIS GAME has NOT changed. It was the same setup, and I argued we lynch the first person to claim a VT, Nobody listened, and we ended up lynching the SECOND one (they were Town). Had we lynched the FIRST one we would have got the GODFATHER on D1.

I don't see how any of this is relevant

He’s setting me up to not be able to claim anything lmfao

Why would you not be able to claim anything? And what is "anything" to you?

If you are a VT you claim that and happily eat rope to protect TPRs. If you are a TPR yourself then your claim is true and you won't be CC'd (it would be stupid for Scum to fake CC on D1). If you're SCUM, do as you wish, and IN THIS CASE I agree I'm setting you up to not be able to FAKE claim anything and get away with it.

Getting mislynched as town is never good. Are you seriously saying I should throw my hands up and not defend myself to protect PRs? You do realize you have to actually lynch mafia in this game...

[LolWagons]

So you are claiming VT?

Fucking duh

[LolWagons]

A50’s push is really fucking ugly

[LolWagons]

You cannot leave him alive tomorrow.

[LolWagons]

You cannot leave him alive tomorrow.

You don't need to worry about that. I almost never make it to D3 in this setup.

If you seriously are town and get nightkilled I’ll shit myself.

[LolWagons]

There is absolutely no way a push like this comes from town.

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Btw, if there's a ONE-SHOT DOCTOR they should claim now and be on Gnelf. This is to prevent double protection on the same target. The FULL DOCTOR (if existent) should not claim either way, but will protect someone else if a 1-shot Doctor claims.

What the fucking shit?

DO NOT CLAIM

[LolWagons]

This is from the guy telling me to bite the bullet for town PRs are you fucking serious right now

[LolWagons]

There is absolutely no way a push like this comes from town.

I have already provided a game where I personally played and made that same argument as Town, and we almost lost (50% because the Town didn't listen to me, and 50% because I made a stunt I shouldn't have done on D2).

Oh, and Gamma was there too. he can tell you this is exactly what I believe to be the correct way to play the game under this setup.

It is most assuredly not. That could be the only protective role. I’d much rather make scum guess whether the cop will be protected than out a PR and have them know.

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You’re putting a PR and possible setup info on the chance a doctor exists and also on a 1 in 10 or whatever chance they make a successful save. That is NOT a good trade off.

[LolWagons]

VT.

Doctor should not claim.

Lynch A50.

[LolWagons]

VT.

Doctor should not claim.

Lynch A50.

Was planning on it.

Good. Sorry I was a jerk to you. Was just trying to get conversation going. And you seemed reactive and excitable

[LolWagons]

Oh my god haha

[LolWagons]

To be fair Town was 2/3 on their lynches. They probably deserve the win.

[LolWagons]

Kinda crazy the mod confirmed inno made it to the end

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But I have to honest: I wouldn't have been half as salty if things were going alright elsewhere. The fact is there's a load of unskilled players who have infested MafiaScum and they're destroying my record whether I roll Town or Scum. There's also this bloody "A50 haters" club who try to lynch me from the get go in every game regardless of their own alignment or mine. Out of the last 5 finished games I lost 4, and this was the only game I was actually Scum in.

Jesus dude. That vitriol just drips through the keyboard.

Ever think people want you out of the game because of rants like this?

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The 3 "gentlemen" who are arguing against me have all REPLACED INTO THE GAME where I was an original player. If you don't like me, DO NOT PLAY WITH ME.

Dude first time playing with you. Also last. You can dish out insults but can’t take shit.