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Post Post #750 (isolation #0) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:09 am

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I'm here
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Post Post #752 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:14 am

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i should have time to read this later tonight

what do i need to know as i do my read through other than PP is IC?
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Post Post #753 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:18 am

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In post 751, Gamma Emerald wrote:oh I forgot that username was
you
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i'll take that as a compliment
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Post Post #756 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:12 am

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thx
how is egix cleared as cop?

I'm 10 pages in and don't like clem at all.
weak scummy vibes from egix and RoS
everyone else are kinda weak reads

I'll try and finish tonight
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Post Post #758 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:14 am

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In post 755, PenguinPower wrote:Oh god.

That avatar is back.
you should have known this was coming when Loopdan showed up in the newb Q :twisted:
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Post Post #765 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:57 am

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In post 313, Clemency wrote:the reason i flaked a lot is because i took the game super serious without realising i'm garbage at it so i just got scumread every game and felt helpless about it
the way i play rn
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Clem plz explain your calculated play in the early game or point to where you've already explained.
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Post Post #769 (isolation #6) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:08 am

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In post 371, Clemency wrote:a50 and clemency vs lolwagons and persivul
get your tickets here ladies and gents
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Post Post #770 (isolation #7) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:13 am

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In post 399, Almost50 wrote:1- Against my better judgement, I'm going to take Egix out of my scum pool and put him at the bottom of my Town pile. DO NOT ASK for an explicit explanation. You won't get one at this time. (If you want one, do your own homework)
has this been explained yet?
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Post Post #771 (isolation #8) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:26 am

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how in the hell did you get RoS to L-2 and end up lynching LolWagon after this defense???
In post 465, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 451, Persivul wrote:
In post 392, Gnelf wrote:I am still suspicious of Clemency, besides snarkily posting wikipedia he hasn't make a legitimate defense
What legitimate defense had Reaper made at that point?
What am I making a defense for again? For adding my vote to a inactive slot when asked?
For being the target of the replacement for said inactive slot, merely for playing the same way I always play? (And when I say always, I mean in the few games I have played here.)
Where's the same out front town Persivul that is in everyone's face busting everyone's chops talking himself into circles and out of his own reads?
Not saying anything other then exactly what I am saying but Clemency plays in this range. Fluff and nothing. It takes a few to figure out if there is substance behind his slot or not. Almost50 seems pretty close to same I have had experience with(again limited.) Most I haven't played with before.
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Post Post #774 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:55 am

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i think we find scum here:
Egix
Clem
Overkill
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(in no particular order)

least confident about A50 and Clem
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Post Post #775 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:56 am

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mod: requesting VC
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Post Post #776 (isolation #11) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:02 am

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In post 766, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 750, TTTT wrote:I'm here
Im here now. The reason i dont want to lynch Gnelf is that I cant see a new player are scum do that kind if Gambit.
1st why are you answering a question i never asked?
2nd Gnelf is a three-headed hydra so "new player" notsomuch
3rd i don't have a third just OCD so you have to have a 3rd
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Post Post #777 (isolation #12) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:05 am

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tell me I'm not the only one who realized overkill didn't move out of RVS until becoming the 5th vote on LolWagons

In post 352, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 347, Clemency wrote:^just vote this
Sure, I null read the orginal player but LoL is doing some strange tunnel and not explaining anything.
VOTE: LoLwagons
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Post Post #781 (isolation #13) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:26 am

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In post 778, Almost50 wrote:@TTTT: When you're done catching up, I'd appreciate a full read list with reasoning. (You don't have to write essays. Just 1-3 sentences for each slot will do). Thanks in advance.
i don't think imma gonna do that
my notes are my notes until the time is right to share

this is what you get for now
In post 774, TTTT wrote:i think we find scum here:
Egix
Clem
Overkill
RoS
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least confident about A50 and Clem
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Post Post #782 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:26 am

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re: 774, when I say least confident I mean least confident in my read on them
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Post Post #784 (isolation #15) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:57 am

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things I'm thinking about that others can help me with:

is a careless A50 AI? share meta if it's relevant cuz he keeps making careless mistakes

is anybody TRing Overkill or is he just skating by bc everybody was distracted by shiny objects? by shiny I mean RoS and Gnelf
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Post Post #785 (isolation #16) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:01 pm

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@A50 - I don't really GAF if you want to verify my reads
if you'd shown you wanted to sort my predecessor's alignment when, you know, my predecessor was here, then maybe... nah I'd still not build your wall for you
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Post Post #786 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:02 pm

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I'm voting overkill or Egix today unless someone gives me really good reasons not to
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Post Post #787 (isolation #18) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:03 pm

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I think Egix is at L-2 but not voting until I know fo sho
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Post Post #788 (isolation #19) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:19 pm

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In post 772, Almost50 wrote:
In post 770, TTTT wrote:
In post 399, Almost50 wrote:1- Against my better judgement, I'm going to take Egix out of my scum pool and put him at the bottom of my Town pile. DO NOT ASK for an explicit explanation. You won't get one at this time. (If you want one, do your own homework)
has this been explained yet?
Not yet, but if you can't decipher it yourself then you don't need to take it into account.
OK, so does whatever made you move Egix from scum pile to town pile back on day1 still apply right now or have you moved past this? This is so important to me that I'm capitalizing and punctuating.
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Post Post #803 (isolation #20) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:28 pm

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In post 786, TTTT wrote:I'm voting overkill or Egix today unless someone gives me really good reasons not to
In post 787, TTTT wrote:I think Egix is at L-2 but not voting until I know fo sho
cards on the table I prefer this...

VOTE: overkill
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Post Post #804 (isolation #21) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:41 pm

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notes on overkill:

- overkill with lazy questioning that looks like scum trying to remain active. asking A50 why he was convinced to vote Shema, then A50 answers with a smilie and there's zero follow-up from overkill
- overkill kinda defends gamma and a50 from Persivul’s
- overkill - TERRIBLE vote on LOLwagon. was overkills first vote since RVS and overkill's entire reason is "Sure, I null read the orginal player but LoL is doing some strange tunnel and not explaining anything." opportunistic 5th vote on LOL that looks fabricated
- overkill - what the heck bro nobody is talking about you why are you asking to be meta’d??
- overkill says Gnelf is definitely town -- overkills says "I might not be exactly new, but im still not good either" back in but that's inconsistent with this total lack of paranoia over a possible Gnelf fake-claim

as of this post the game has more TTTT content than overkill content (both in quantity and quality)
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Post Post #805 (isolation #22) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:43 pm

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In post 788, TTTT wrote:
In post 772, Almost50 wrote:
In post 770, TTTT wrote:
In post 399, Almost50 wrote:1- Against my better judgement, I'm going to take Egix out of my scum pool and put him at the bottom of my Town pile. DO NOT ASK for an explicit explanation. You won't get one at this time. (If you want one, do your own homework)
has this been explained yet?
Not yet, but if you can't decipher it yourself then you don't need to take it into account.
OK, so does whatever made you move Egix from scum pile to town pile back on day1 still apply right now or have you moved past this? This is so important to me that I'm capitalizing and punctuating.
Attention A50 your presence is requested back at post 788
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Post Post #810 (isolation #23) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:27 pm

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In post 807, Almost50 wrote::ole, I said back then not to talk about it, and I repeated it when you asked the first time. Are you trying to get me booted off the game??
i can't read your mind and there are other reasons for changing reads that don't involve ongoing games and you brought it up so don't put that one me chucky.
it coulda been crumbs, softing, etc.

this is important bc you voted Egix at day2 start when Gnelf acted like there was a guilty but you didn't seem to have any hesitation about the vote
that stood out to me given your prior statement in 399
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Post Post #811 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:29 pm

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In post 808, Almost50 wrote:This guy (TTTT) is SCUM. First, he won't reveal anything about his reads even when I explained why I wanted him to do.
you are liar
you wanted full reads after i already named a scumpool
you aren't the boss of me
In post 808, Almost50 wrote:Then he starts a wagon on someone new. I dunno if he's distancing with a p in 0verki11 or trying to save a p in Egix (and I have them both at the bottom of my reads currently, along with TTTT himself).
I'll lynch either one if it comes to it
In post 808, Almost50 wrote:Then he pretends not to understand what 11 other people got the first time and stopped talking about.
see last post
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Post Post #813 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:33 pm

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In post 784, TTTT wrote:things I'm thinking about that others can help me with:

is a careless A50 AI? share meta if it's relevant cuz he keeps making careless mistakes

is anybody TRing Overkill or is he just skating by bc everybody was distracted by shiny objects? by shiny I mean RoS and Gnelf
Don't want this lost in the recent mess...
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Post Post #816 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:13 pm

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In post 814, Almost50 wrote:
In post 811, TTTT wrote:you wanted full reads after i already named a scumpool
I don't want a bloody scum pool. ANYONE can come up with a 5-person list and say scum is in that pool. It's
how you reached that conclusion
that matters most to me.
In post 815, Almost50 wrote:@TTTT: You said you can't read my mind. Why do you think I can read yours? Like, maybe you know something I don't, or maybe you faked a read list. How am I supposed to tell if I don't see how you got there and why you cleared X, Y & Z?
1. I haven't cleared anybody
2. is how I got to my current vote
3. if you have questions then ask them... but I'm not wall posting all my thoughts
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Post Post #821 (isolation #27) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:48 am

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In post 774, TTTT wrote:i think we find scum here:
Egix
Clem
Overkill
RoS
A50
(in no particular order)

least confident about A50 and Clem
In post 806, Almost50 wrote: <<SNIP>>
VOTE: TTTT
Egix96 wrote:<<SNIP>>
Aorn ROS is my main suspect but I'm fine with lynching A50 or T4 instead.
In post 820, Clemency wrote:<<SNIP>>
VOTE: TTTT
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Post Post #822 (isolation #28) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:51 am

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At this point I really just want to hear Dunn, Gamma, and Gnelf's take on Overkill
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Post Post #823 (isolation #29) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:09 am

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A50 is just manufacturing shit. There is no real intent to sort my slot it's just dump your reads and you're scum if you don't

which is stupid AF and exactly what scum would want an experienced player who is replacing into a game to do -- dump all their thoughts so they'll know how to play them

A50 has done only 2 things day2:
1) setup spec that as far as I can tell has been useless
2) annoy me with demands to posts all my reads, without even asking me a
single
question about what I've already posted
^this is literally true do check his ISO

I posted a rather large scumpool early on that includes A50. one would think there might be some follow-up to do with the replacement player on that. But no. A50 demands all my reads and my thoughts behind them. that's scummy as hell.

I posted my notes on overkill after I voted. One would think there might be questions about that post. But no. A50 acts like it never happened, tries to manufacture drama over 788 (which he still hasn't answered even though he could without breaking rules about ongoing games), and votes me. that's scummy as hell.
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Post Post #828 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:47 am

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Stop playing dumb, A50.

You had some sort of secret reason (which is verboten due to the rule about ongoing games) that made you pretty sure he wasn't scum.
day1 Gnelf is run up to L-1 in the space of one page basically for being inactive.
Gnelf hardclaims cop.
At start of day2 Gnelf acted like there was a guilty on Egix.
You immediately voted Egix.
And then spend the next few pages on stupid set-up speculation.

You exhibit zero paranoia and it bothers me.
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Post Post #829 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:48 am

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^"he" being Egix in that 2nd sentence
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Post Post #831 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:04 am

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Looking back at some stuff...
Persivul last stated he wanted a Gnelf lynch
Maria and LolWagons both said in twilight they wanted an A50 lynch today
I really hate how the wagon moved off of RoS yesterday, bounced super fast to Gnelf (forcing a claim), and then settling on Lolwagons. I think there were some scum votes on RoS that never intended on lynching him.
@Gamma - can you provide me with your Clem read ATM <--- that means at the moment
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Post Post #832 (isolation #33) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:07 am

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In post 830, davesaz wrote:
I haven't noticed anything specific, but I'll call your attention to the recent updates to the ongoing games rule, which are found in the 2nd post here.
FYI - I'm not accusing A50 of breaking that rule

I was making clear that I understand it's forbidden for us to discuss his reasoning behind his Egix read-change
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Post Post #833 (isolation #34) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:12 am

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Predictions of what is happening in the dead thread:

Maria is saying, "TTTT you idiot just vote A50 already!"
LolWagons is saying, "TTTT you idiot just vote A50 aready!"
Persivul is saying, "I'm out. I can't follow this game anymore if that avatar isn't changed."
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Post Post #834 (isolation #35) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:14 am

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@Penguin - I love you but you are really a waste of an IC
do something
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Post Post #842 (isolation #36) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:50 am

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A50 I simply don't believe you are this dumb. I'm not now and never have asked you to explain
why
your initial read Egix changed from scum to town.

i just wanted you to talk about if that read had changed between 399 and the start of day2.
but I'm over it now bc you are impossible to engage
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Post Post #845 (isolation #37) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:52 am

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In post 835, Almost50 wrote:I don't get paranoid as either alignment.
Is this also true for game-solving?
Because the only way you are town here is if you never game-solve as either alignment.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #38) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:53 am

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In post 843, Clemency wrote:spicy ad hominem
It's only an ad hominem if he is town. :lol:
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Post Post #850 (isolation #39) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:01 am

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In post 840, Gnelf wrote:Well here is how I'm thinking about the game.

We had near deadline two competing wagons, Lol and Reaper. Reaper gets pushed up to L1, reaper spews.

Then I get CFD'd, within the span of a few hours, which is glaringly suspicious because this game has been plagued by activity concerns and slow building of wagons. I claim cop, wagon dissolves.

Then we turn back to Reaper and Lol again, but this time rather than returning to a Reaper lynch, Lolwagons gets pushed up.

Which makes me think that all this effort was to prevent a Reaper flip. Reaper flip incriminates Clemency as well because he was the breaking point to make the Reaper wagon inferior to the Lol wagon.

If Reaper is town though, then we have to look back further and consider A50/Egix/Clemency stuff.
I like the way your tri-head is thinking here
I hate hydras on principle but this post makes me hate them slightly less
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Post Post #857 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:11 am

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In post 838, Almost50 wrote:Personally, I'd rather TTTT over anyone else. I acknowledge I suspect both Egix/0verki11, but -as I said before- I don't know which of them is TTTT's p. TTTT voting 0verki11 may have been distancing on a p he thought a lynch would never go through on, or it could be starting a new wagon on Town to try and save a p (Egix). It's unlikely that it's both, so in my mind one of 0verki11/Egix is scum and the other is Town. TTTT is the common factor and is scum either way.
A50 - let's play a game. Imagine that I am suddenly mod-confirmed town.
Who would you encourage me to vote from this list:
Egix
Overkill
Clem
RoS
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Post Post #859 (isolation #41) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:14 am

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dude he isn't picking you from that list I already know that much
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Post Post #860 (isolation #42) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:17 am

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someone remind me to come back to like later on Today
please and thank you
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Post Post #865 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:21 pm

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A50 you are starting to grow on me.
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Post Post #869 (isolation #44) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:03 pm

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VOTE: ReaperOfSouls


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Post Post #870 (isolation #45) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:04 pm

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In post 866, Almost50 wrote:What is growing on you?
Y.O.U.

but that's NAI justsoyouknow
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Post Post #871 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:04 pm

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@PENGY -- use your vote plz
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Post Post #873 (isolation #47) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:40 pm

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now that's just hurtful
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Post Post #874 (isolation #48) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:42 pm

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Post Post #877 (isolation #49) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:20 am

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oh come on
just bc I like interacting with someone doesn't mean I have to townread them
and when I roll red I buddy town more subtlely than that ffs
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Post Post #878 (isolation #50) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:22 am

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Pengy plz jump on one of these wagons
scum is happy stalling out the game until we get these closer to lynch
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Post Post #880 (isolation #51) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:52 am

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I'm SRing A50 (I thought this was obvious)
but I'm enjoying the game and A50's part in it
is that explicit enough?
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Post Post #890 (isolation #52) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:10 am

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I'm not afraid to admit when I'm confused


I'm confused.
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Post Post #915 (isolation #53) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:07 am

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@Overkill - you haven't voted or contributed anything useful so far day2

This is literally everything you've said about the game day2:
In post 689, 0verki11 wrote:Gnelf is definitly town here, im not vote them.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #54) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:09 am

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I really wish the rest of you had dropped some votes on Overkill when I showed up and pushed
but you didn't
and Overkill is still skating by doing nothing
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Post Post #923 (isolation #55) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:48 pm

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In post 831, TTTT wrote: I really hate how the wagon moved off of RoS yesterday, bounced super fast to Gnelf (forcing a claim), and then settling on Lolwagons. I think there were some scum votes on RoS that never intended on lynching him.
i like to quote myself when I've said something smart and nobody tells me how smart I am
I'm insecure that way
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Post Post #924 (isolation #56) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:58 pm

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In post 921, Clemency wrote:because a50's voting tttt and i'm leaning town on a50 this game
i also sheep a lot in general
A50 is either scum
or
town with demonstrably shitty reads

I advise finding someone else to sheep
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Post Post #925 (isolation #57) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:00 pm

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/in before someone asks me to demonstrate the shitty reads
it's called an ISO you can do it yerself
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Post Post #926 (isolation #58) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:02 pm

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@Dunn - I don't get the unvote. It was only L-2 and even if you need to reconsider Reaper why not leave it put for now?
or at least can you drop your vote on Egix?
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Post Post #929 (isolation #59) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:06 pm

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Towniest thing you've done in a long time, son.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #60) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:06 pm

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929 was for A50
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Post Post #931 (isolation #61) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:09 pm

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@Clem, I take back what I said about sheeping
go ahead and sheep A50
so I can hammer Egix
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Post Post #934 (isolation #62) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:13 pm

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@Pengy that doesn't really help
we need provable townie votes on the wagons to force scums' hands
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Post Post #936 (isolation #63) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:15 pm

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i always think I'm the puppeteer with the master plan
but I'm just a cuck

VOTE: Egix

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Post Post #939 (isolation #64) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:30 pm

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then your playstyle is anti-town
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Post Post #975 (isolation #65) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:56 pm

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In post 974, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think I can accept a assclaim
I will never assclaim
That's none of your damn business
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Post Post #976 (isolation #66) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:57 pm

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Also I'm with Dunn here
No massclaim
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Post Post #977 (isolation #67) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:01 am

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In post 963, Gnelf wrote: PP needs to superhero this game
calculating odds....
calculating odds....
calculating odds....
calculating odds....
INSUFFICIENT DATA
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Post Post #978 (isolation #68) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:02 am

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Hey A50 this is finally the time for all that setup spec you've been fluffing up the game with.
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Post Post #979 (isolation #69) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:05 am

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In post 942, 0verki11 wrote:TTTT is there any reason why im being scumread over Clem.
I never used the word "over"
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Post Post #981 (isolation #70) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:13 am

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I'm spanking it to Egix's ISO again...
In post 636, Egix96 wrote:Problem is, it's in my best interests not to give reads until Gnelf have given theirs.
But obviously they're not gonna do that.
Thing is, if they had actually peeked me, they would have seen green, at least from my point of view.
why the hell is the "at least from my point of view" conditional clause here? :facepalm:
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Post Post #993 (isolation #71) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:55 am

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am I correct that a mafia lynch is preferred to a SK lynch today?
bc SK will be shooting at mafs tonight?
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Post Post #994 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:13 am

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Assuming we are in 4v2v1 right now...

a SK lynch today means day4 is 3v2

a maf lynch today means day4 is one of
2v1v1
3v1v0
3v1v1
or a straight up town win if they cross-kill
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Post Post #995 (isolation #73) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:16 am

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I'm resisting this overwhelming lust to vote A50 right now
must.wait.for.others.to.post.first
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Post Post #998 (isolation #74) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:32 am

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if Gnelf's cop claim is true...
scum are 100% Godfather, Roleblocker, Goon
and there's still a chance we have a Vig and no SK

meh..
all I can really get from set-up spec is that if there are masons or any 1-shot PR they should be voting Gnelf
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Post Post #999 (isolation #75) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:35 am

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In post 706, Gnelf wrote:I'll simplify

I suspect that Godfather and/or SK are in this pool of
<Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral>
how's this work with your inno on Gamma?
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:41 am

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In post 712, Gnelf wrote:Okay I don't know if people are understanding what I'm saying.

I announce I'm only going to cop one person in the a pool of 5 people because I don't want to repeat clears.

I cop Gamma, gamma is innocent.

I was not roleblocked, even though 100% chance of scum roleblocker.


I gambit Egix because I scumread him and want to get him to scumslip.

I also suspect that the reason why I wasn't roleblocked was because my pool has investigation immune targets, so it would help them instead.


Maybe Gamma is GF/SK, but I didn't think Gamma was baiting night actions, so I checked him because if he is scum I didn't think he would be a GF/SK.
emphasis added

so like what now?

shouldn't your POV be that Gamma is confirmed GF?
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #77) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:45 am

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or Invest. Immune SK
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:50 am

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Gamma you can chill now
Like Pengy said... I'm saying that from Gnelf's stated POV and previous arguments you are SK or GF
I would have thought you of all people would be interested in Gnelf explaining this... ?
have you accepted his cop claim without suspicion?
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #79) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:47 pm

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the benefit of massclaim is removing doubt over Gnelf's claim (or scum fake-claiming for a 1v1 with Gnelf)
but I'm not sure that's worth it quite yet...
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #80) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:03 pm

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Gnelf I can't find where you said you were 1-shot
but I keep seeing this brought up
can you point me to that or explain why this is the assumption being made?
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #81) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:17 pm

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Gnelf I get the town advantage of you not full-claiming
but I also get the scum advantage of you not full-claiming

I'm good with a mass-claim in whatever order Pengy chooses
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #82) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:18 pm

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If Gnelf is 1-shot it's most likely SK
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #83) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:18 pm

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or if he's full cop too
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #84) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:27 pm

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In post 1051, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1049, TTTT wrote:If Gnelf is 1-shot it's most likely SK
How do you figure?
Correction: if he's
full
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We know we have:
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We know we have either a Vig or SK which requires:
VV or T

For Gnelf to be full cop we have to have:
CCCCDM _ so there's no room for a full vig and we have two nights in a row with double-kills

It
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #85) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:28 pm

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(a crappy vig)
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:33 pm

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if I 'm not mistaken, this claim is incompatible with any remaining town PR
but it'd be nice if someone would double-check that...

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Post Post #1061 (isolation #87) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:34 pm

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I'll accept it sans a counterclaim
and yes you should out any results

Pedit: I think that's right
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #88) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:35 pm

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I'm assuming he has a guilty or he wouldn't have full-claimed
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #89) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:36 pm

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Gnelf wrote:i got no result
huh?
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #90) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:37 pm

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In post 1067, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1065, TTTT wrote:I'm assuming he has a guilty or he wouldn't have full-claimed
I think I want to lynch you right now.
huh?
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:44 pm

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so I guess it's back to ol' fashioned lynching to win the game...

VOTE: overkill
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #92) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:45 pm

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this is easy one
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #93) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:52 pm

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Oh in that case.

UNVOTE: Overkill
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #94) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:53 pm

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lolno
VOTE: Overkill
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #95) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:48 am

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my original reads when I replaced in still look pretty damn good
In post 774, TTTT wrote:i think we find scum here:
Egix
Clem
Overkill
RoS
A50
(in no particular order)

least confident about A50 and Clem
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #96) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:55 am

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3of4 are scum:
overkill
A50
clem
Gamma

definitely don't wanna lynch gamma
cuz gamma's either SK or the SK target tonight (unless our lynch flips GF)
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #97) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:57 am

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outside chance of Gnelf is fakeclaiming
but seems very very unlikely w/o a counterclaim
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #98) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:59 am

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In post 1080, Gamma Emerald wrote:what even
Gamma vote overkill
k?
thx.
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #99) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:45 am

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explain your dumb vote
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #100) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:18 am

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VOTE: A50
can't say I'm surprised by that vote but it confirms the scumread I've had on you
town doesn't place that second vote on me without waiting for others to chime in

also your reason is garbage:
1) I never said we
should
lynch SK over Mafia. I asked the game to give feedback on this idea...
In post 993, TTTT wrote:am I correct that a mafia lynch is preferred to a SK lynch today?
bc SK will be shooting at mafs tonight?
notice those questions marks?
traditionally question marks indicate a question
that's why they are called question marks

2) For you to construe this as "TTTT is SK" is a blatantly fabricated case to justify you dropping a 2nd vote (knowing that Pengy is a likely 3rd)
In post 1087, Almost50 wrote: So, with that I conclude TTTT is the likely SK now, because it's neither in the best interest of Town or even Mafia (obviously) to lynch the Mafia over SK today.
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #101) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:24 am

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@pengy - plz go iso read A50 before voting
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #102) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:33 am

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particularly the quickvote on Egix at day2 start when Gnelf faked the guilty
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #103) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:44 am

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why would A50 immediately jump to vote Egix at day2 start when Gnelf fake-claimed a guilty?
considering:
A. A50 was TRing Egix
B. A50 had been SRing Gnelf day1 when
C. A50 forced Gnelf to claim
So he immediately believes an unproven claim from a slot he SR'd and forced to claim the day before
enough to vote his TR

I tried to dig into this inconsistency day2 but nobody A50 diverted by turning it into a discussion about ongoing game reads (remember that?)
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #104) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:45 am

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*...nobody cared and A50...*
missed two words
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #105) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:08 am

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A50 have you figured out yet how your analysis in is wrong?
it shouldn't be hard if you look at it from a town POV
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #106) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:09 am

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oh wait...
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Post Post #1098 (isolation #107) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:12 am

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in fact if you'd actually read my earlier posts on this matter I even stated it
but you didn't bother reading them critically did you?
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #108) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:42 am

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@Clem - can you give a legit read on A50 plz?
it's time to take the game seriously
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #109) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:44 am

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does anybody wanna hear a Hitler joke?
Fair warning it's not very funny.
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Post Post #1113 (isolation #110) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:15 am

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I'll admit I don't know why this...
4-2-1 >> Lynch Mafia >> 4-1-1 >> 2 NKs >> 2-1-1/3-0-1/3-1-0/4-0-0 (very swingy) 3 chances out of 4

is strictly worse than this...
4-2-1 >> Lynch SK >> 4-2 >> 1 NK >> 3-2-0 LyLo (solid. No ifs)

if we put expected values on each of these:
2-1-1 = 0 wins
3-0-1 = .5 wins
3-1-0 = .5 wins
4-0-0 = 1.0 wins
average = .5 wins

3-2-0 = .5 wins

I mean we could argue the expected values...
but at this point I'm out of my element
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Post Post #1121 (isolation #111) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:30 pm

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I think you all know I'm down to lynch A5, Clem, or overkill
and have been pretty much SRing them since my first reads

so the rest of you (PP, Gamma, Gelf) decide who and when from that list and I'm good
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #112) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:59 pm

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This was my original lis, A5, so virtually none of what you just said in 1122 makes sense.
In post 774, TTTT wrote:i think we find scum here:
Egix
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least confident about A50 and Clem
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #113) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:00 pm

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*list
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #114) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:58 pm

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In post 1126, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1124, TTTT wrote:This was my original lis, A5, so virtually none of what you just said in 1122 makes sense.
In post 774, TTTT wrote:i think we find scum here:
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least confident about A50 and Clem
Really? So Egix flipping scum and RoS flipping Towon did change your reads, and now your "new" lynch pool is .. let me see..

Egix

Clem
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RoS

A50

Yup. That's what I thought.
Uh yeah I've literally said my original reads list is still solid several times today. I don't think that's in dispute.

In 1122 you said three on my list flipped town so I don't know what the hell you are talking about...
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #115) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:16 pm

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yeah I think I conflated two different parts of that post...
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #116) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:18 pm

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Pengy have you reread?
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Post Post #1135 (isolation #117) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:22 pm

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A50 what were you saying about me having NO DOUBT (your caps) about Gamma being scum?
In post 1082, TTTT wrote:3of4 are scum:
overkill
A50
clem
Gamma

definitely don't wanna lynch gamma
cuz gamma's either SK or the SK target tonight (unless our lynch flips GF)
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #118) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:24 pm

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Your thoughts on ?
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #119) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:28 pm

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Funny
but you are going to have to do better than that
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Post Post #1147 (isolation #120) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:40 am

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@pengy- do you really think scum!TTTT buses Egix like this?
go read my scum PTs
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #121) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:55 am

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In post 1146, Almost50 wrote:But if Clem/0verki11 are scum (at least one is 100% of the time)
There's still an outside chance that Gnelf got very lucky with a fakeclaim and we are CCDMTTT

CC = Cop
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M = Innocent Child
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

from my POV-- Clem and overkill could both still be town (bc Gnelf isn't 100% cleared)
and your town!POV would be no different

but town!Gnelf makes way more sense with how I've been reading this game
so I'm rolling with it
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #122) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:45 am

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In post 1148, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1147, TTTT wrote:@pengy- do you really think scum!TTTT buses Egix like this?
go read my scum PTs
Without even reading anything, I would like to remind you there is a SERIAL KILLER in play, and YOU had suggested it's best we leave them alone and try to lynch MAFIA today, which was what triggered me on you in the first place.
dude I'm talking to pengy here
do you mind?
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Post Post #1152 (isolation #123) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:53 am

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In post 1150, Clemency wrote:
In post 1145, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1143, Clemency wrote:thats unfortunate because i have today booked
Alright. I can probably lynch Clemency for this. He's been avoiding the game today, ans so has 0verki11. If I'm going to lose to scum I'd rather lose to someone who actually tries.
i'm not avoiding the game i'd just rather not be on my phone when i'm dm'ing a game of d&d for my friends
MS > DD
ditch those nerds
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #124) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:22 am

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bottom line we lynch the scummiest player in the game
that pengy and gnelf agree upon
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #125) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:46 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1159 (isolation #126) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:13 pm

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Why is Gamma more likely scum than me from your POV?
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #127) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:16 am

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"sticks"?
so much opportunity for shitposting
but I'll play along...

HURT: Clem
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #128) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:37 am

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In post 1172, Gnelf wrote:if clemency is town here we dont win
why?
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #129) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:22 pm

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not gonna lie...
no matter how old I am...
or how many games of maf I play...
it still feels good to be buddied
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #130) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:24 pm

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In post 1118, Clemency wrote:though my gut tells me a50 vs gamma is mafia vs sk rn
this is literally the only content Clem has provided day3
we should be lynching this
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #131) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:27 pm

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VOTE: C
VOTE: L
VOTE: E
VOTE: M
VOTE: E
VOTE: N
VOTE: C
VOTE: Y
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #132) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:28 pm

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but I'd still like this explained like I'm 5 thx.
In post 1173, TTTT wrote:
In post 1172, Gnelf wrote:if clemency is town here we dont win
why?
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #133) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:08 pm

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hey guys...
just a heads up...
you forgot to put vote tags...
on the votes for Clem...
that you forgot to type.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #134) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:03 pm

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Pengy - stop looking for scum and start looking for town.
POE this bitch
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #135) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:03 pm

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In post 1191, PenguinPower wrote:Look at 740/741/and this game. Tell me why Clem's scum based on activity.
but ok yeah I'll look...
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #136) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:07 pm

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Post Post #1197 (isolation #137) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:10 pm

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seriously pengy go read my scum PTs
and then let me know if you think I would have bused Egix here
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #138) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:14 pm

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a mislynch is 3-2-1 then two NKs
so prob game over
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #139) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:38 am

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In post 1191, PenguinPower wrote:Look at 740/741/and this game. Tell me why Clem's scum based on activity.
I ISO read Clem in those other two games..

740 - he was town and shitposted until he started mixing in some efforting halfway through the game (starting in post 537)
741 - he was scum and shitposted until endgame
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #140) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:25 am

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In post 1204, Clemency wrote:it's an undefeated strategy
you can't read me if i just shitpost
there's a difference btw undefeated
and winning
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Post Post #1207 (isolation #141) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:27 am

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In post 1203, TTTT wrote:
In post 1191, PenguinPower wrote:Look at 740/741/and this game. Tell me why Clem's scum based on activity.
I ISO read Clem in those other two games..

740 - he was town and shitposted until he started mixing in some efforting halfway through the game (starting in post 537)
741 - he was scum and shitposted until endgame
Pengy tell me you see the difference
and how this looks more like 741
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #142) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:00 am

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feel free to explain
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #143) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:13 am

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In post 1200, PenguinPower wrote:clem/0ver may be scum, but they aren't SK
why?
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #144) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:55 am

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lol
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #145) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:56 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #146) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:58 am

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VOTE: Clemency
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #147) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:01 am

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Clemency if you are town plz play for your wincon
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #148) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:13 am

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In post 1220, Clemency wrote:there's no magic post i can make here that'll make my situation better
STFU and go iso A50 or something
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #149) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:17 am

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your play is gross
you know it's possible to be a memey trollish player and still attempt to gamesolve
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #150) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:21 am

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and you are no Jake Peralta
he's a great detective/genius
if you are town here you need to change your avatar to Scully
bc you are useless
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #151) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:43 am

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gg
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Post Post #1235 (isolation #152) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:16 am

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VOTE: A50
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #153) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:00 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #154) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:03 am

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nvm
I don't think A50 would gamethrow

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Post Post #1241 (isolation #155) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:05 am

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1236 is about-to-be-lynched scum trying to coordinate the NKs with the SK
nothing more
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #156) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:14 am

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that strat doesn't give maf and SK a "joint win"
it makes tomorrow 2-1-1 or 3-1-0 (when A50's partner inevitably double-crosses the SK)
also not sure why TTTT "canNOT be SK"

Pedit: exactly
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #157) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:28 am

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I must have missed Gnelf tunneling you all game... :roll:
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #158) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:33 am

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Kinda hope I get NKd
so I can enjoy watching the rest of you try to figure out this terrible game
from inside the dead thread
where I plan to give A50 hell
regardless of his alignment
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #159) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:51 pm

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Overkill for partner
Clem for SK
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #160) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:42 pm

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inb4 scum says they were scumread for the wrong reasons
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Post Post #1287 (isolation #161) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:48 pm

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Good game town!

Good game Gamma!

Sorry scumteam I just can't say it because I wouldn't mean it and Mama TTTT didn't raise a liar. :P
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #162) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:49 pm

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Pengy - No apologies needed. It's your prerogative to be skeptical. Glad you showed up to play at the end.
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Post Post #1294 (isolation #163) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:39 pm

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Post Post #1299 (isolation #164) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:53 pm

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In post 1285, TTTT wrote:inb4 scum says they were scumread for the wrong reasons
In post 1297, Almost50 wrote:I had 2 Town members who were also members of the "let's SR A50 for the heck of it" right from the start, and then a third subbed-in.
Aww.... there it is
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #165) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:17 pm

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A50 - Remember that time I tried to be your frenemy?
but you turned me down
I still mourn what could have been

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Post Post #1309 (isolation #166) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:32 pm

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Generic Non-Specific Advice About Being Scumread that is Not Directed at Any Individual

so like I dunno...
if like lots of different people
in different situations
always seem to scum-read you
maybe the common denominator isn't them being shitty
but you acting scummy
the good news is playing mafia is an improvable skill...
so you can always get better, A50!
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #167) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:47 pm

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Spoilered
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redacted!

Damn, son. It's getting serious in here.
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #168) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:07 pm

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"Damn son" is an expression indicating mild shock.
Like the shock you feel when someone is embarrassing themselves unnecessarily.
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #169) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:15 pm

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In post 1319, Almost50 wrote:I'm not even authorized, so how can I post there?

It's age verified. You have to be 70+.
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #170) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:18 pm

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In post 1313, Gamma Emerald wrote:I never expected to win but I am glad I got as far as I did
I shot overkill aiming for scum FYI, I felt like Clemency was clearly town
I'd say it's a fine SK game when you make it to endgame. If the mafia team knows who the SK is and bases their winning strategy on the SK playing to the mafia's wincon then that's on them.
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #171) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:21 pm

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In post 1322, Almost50 wrote:The 3 "gentlemen" who are arguing against me have all REPLACED INTO THE GAME where I was an original player. If you don't like me, DO NOT PLAY WITH ME.
I never said I didn't like you. And I'd be fine playing with you again. Learn to lose gracefully. It's just a game.
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #172) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:25 pm

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In post 1324, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1321, TTTT wrote:
In post 1319, Almost50 wrote:I'm not even authorized, so how can I post there?

It's age verified. You have to be 70+.
Another "reacted insult" is my response to you, your smugness.
C'mon dude that was funny and you know it!
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #173) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:31 pm

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Gamma why was Clem obvtown for you?
I need to learn to read him bc he joins every game on this site
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #174) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:33 pm

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Ok, so how about prior to the last day?
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #175) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:24 am

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Dave thanks for modding!
You do excellent work.
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