Open 742: C9++ (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: MariaR
mods are sods

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw the name blooblobby sounds like Bloblobber

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I know a scum.
Any bets on who it would be?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there any way to get a vote count without waiting for the mod?

It’s called counting

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, Sherma is towny. I guess I'm still fine with my vote.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Shema
This was the scum I noted earlier
All her posts look pretty bad

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi guys!!

Welcome MariaR to the world of list mods. To welcome you to the team, here's a vote!

VOTE: MariaR

Is there any way to get a vote count without waiting for the mod?

Same reason for my vote but more verbose, looks like scum who are hyper focused on justifying votes

Is there any way to get a vote count without waiting for the mod?

It’s called counting

Ain't nobody got time for that

This feels like the question was for show

I’m used to like 15 pages by now. Do Galesburg usually start off this quiet?

Feels a bit frivolous. Unrelated to why I’m scumreading them, wtf is Galesburg?

[Gamma Emerald]

Asking for a vote count is pretty weird at post 26 - you can't count up 1 page of votes? Doesn't make it scummy though

The fact they outright said they wouldn’t count themselves made it feel like it was artificial, that they didn’t care if the votals were known or not

[Gamma Emerald]

Overkill asked for reasons so I gave them

[Gamma Emerald]

Overkill asked for reasons so I gave them

OK, wanted to make sure you weren't just trying to get us out of RVS or something.

VOTE: Gamma

I mean that shouldn’t require explanation if I’m explaining a read like that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean that shouldn’t require explanation if I’m explaining a read like that?

I voted you because it's a lazy read on a newbie for doing newbie things.

I think the newb defense falls kinda flat with their first post: who posts something like that while foreign to the community?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the newb defense falls kinda flat with their first post: who posts something like that while foreign to the community?

Er...someone who's trying to be friendly to get into the community maybe? And who noticed the welcome thread that's at the top of every section?

...hm I guess. I thought their post sounded a bit more like mine but your explanation fits what they wrote. I’ll look at the other posts in that light then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok I just now noticed I fucked up the formatting when making post 47, the second point was responding to 26 and 32, and the first point only applied to 16
Anyways, I still have reservations about Shema asking how to do VCs but not wanting to do the method that put the power in their hands. How does “they’re a newb” explain that away?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why not go hound ejix or whatever his name is

Shade noted btw

That’s my line!

[Gamma Emerald]

Just realized I forgot to do something. Sorry about the delay.

VeridianCleric is a

Town Innocent Child

.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Were you waiting for him to get lynched? Cuz I was thinking him not posting so far may have pointed to him having rolled Scum and didn't like it.

Huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh. You convinced me.

VOTE: Shema

Is this vote 100% serious
Also the official declaration on the argument between Persivul and A50 is that me saying I ”knew” who scum was was me embellishing read strength in RVS. So A50 is wrong about me feeling my reason for suspecting Shema to start wasn’t solid, and I wasn’t waiting for anything, I just explained when I did because I wanted to try to convince people. Despite this, I did fake confidence so to conclude my reasoning was inexplicable wasn’t too far off the mark I feel.
I think a time where I played like A50 said I did here was NY215, where I had a instinctual read I called a ”gut” read.

[Gamma Emerald]

What does it mean to deserve votes in this context

[Gamma Emerald]

The only way I can see that is he hasn’t been scummy enough, so why do you say that? And a lacking explanation or lack of one completely is not excusable.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think they deserve votes in the current gamestate, over other players

I actually like your response. I was expecting a defense of Shema’s posts.
So who do you think should be voted over Shema and why?

[Gamma Emerald]

UUUUUUUHH
HOLD UP A SEC

[Gamma Emerald]

A50? XYQ.

[Gamma Emerald]

It means eXanime Your Queue.

[Gamma Emerald]

A50? XYQ.

Speak gibberish, GDI!

[Gamma Emerald]

This seems like a bunch of statistically retarded mud-slinging. Do we have to lynch someone on the first day?

-PraiseTheLordBiggieCheese

Who said anything about that?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah overkill is clear for me

How? I thought PP was the ic

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean that shouldn’t require explanation if I’m explaining a read like that?

I voted you because it's a lazy read on a newbie for doing newbie things.

I thought overkill was a newbie due to his join date and that he started with a newbie game and so isn't an alt. However, I've just read his ISO in that newbie game (1899) and he has experience from other sites. So, he's not really a newbie.

I'm going to re-read this game tonight.

...I wasn't pushing Overkill though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Edit: Prodded MariaR, Gnelf, & Shema

Scum team identified in full.

Insert obligatory "Lurking is NAI" comment here

4th scum detected

So a Serial Killer you say?

[Gamma Emerald]

As I recall...Open 668, but I was scum and you replaced in and ruined it for me.

So...

There you go. So, IF you're Town you are following a trend of SRing me anyway.

My advice is for you to ISO me and point out (to yourself) what scummy things I did so far, and IF you can find any, try to think why Town!me could do them too. If you can't find a Town motive, then and only then can you come back to me with your homework and if you're not satisfied with my answers you can glue your vote on me for the rest of the day.

Did you really just emphasize "if" I'm town?

Is that a problem

[Gamma Emerald]

Ahhh

[Gamma Emerald]

What’chu talkin’ ‘bout?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler: Lean Town

#135: Honestly thought his vote was fine on this slot, I know its my slot, but that was a good discussion starter for that early in the game. I like him laying down his hand here, wish he would have waited for A50 to answer the question first though.
#143: Good read, agree

There's a lot of posts here but those are the two that stuck out. Proactive, driving discussion, seems town.

ReaperOfSouls

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#99 Probably not scum buddies with the hydra
#125: Okay
#205: Okay
#215: Okay

Profile pretty much identical to Clemency. No contributions, lots of fluff, no original thoughts.

Gnelf

Spoiler: Lean Town

#167: Yes

Slight town because they voted my scumread and brought up what I was going to bring up.

Egix96

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#122: Ew
#126: Ew-er
#183: Ew
#201: Ew-er

Although engaging a bit more genuinely and directly than Reaper or Clemency still a lot of fluff and maybe a bit of buddying.

MariaR

Spoiler: Null

#9: Trolling for reactions, love it.
#64: Direct, I like it. One on one with Dunn doesn't really offer me any new insight into the read.
#174: Good read.

Overall an alright slot, Not a lot of participation outside a couple town reads and a one on one with Dunn so I'm not comfortable calling this slot lean town but if there was a gun to my head I'd call town.

Dunnstral

Spoiler: Lean Town

#68: Ew
#75: More Ew. That's not shade, it was a valid point. Pretty unabashed OMGUS.
#83: You're being active, I wouldn't call it proactive.
#89: But one of those was RVS...am I misreading something?
#107: Okay not his post but A50's, apparently Dunn gets run up a lot on day 1 accordin to Gamma, and a50 is reads him town. Doesn't mean he is immune to a scum role PM but that gives context I guess.
#142: Actually does read town, agree with Gamma.
# 197: Haha, now that's shade. That's how shade is thrown.

Overall a headstrong slot, I think with the lack of other strong personalities in this game it might work for you instead of against you here.

Clemency

Spoiler: Lean Scum

#101/#102: Unless "dab" is a significant contribution I'm unaware of, we are on 6 posts with nothing useful outside an RVS vote and no meaningful engagement with other players
#155: Okay seriously wtf how are people letting this guy gallivant around uselessly like this 7 pages in
#175: Sheeping a town read okay cool that's almost contribution.
#216: Okay great still nothing original to contribute
#217: I haven't

0verki11

Spoiler: Lean Town

#46 is good.
#173 is good.
#222 looks like the reasoning comes from town.

Not a lot of super strong tells but town seems fairly likely for this slot.

Persivul

Spoiler: Probably Town

#65/#66: Waiting before he shows his hand for Gamma's reaction is nice. Very Socratic type of play. Interested in reactions and thus alignment.
#76: More of the that
#115: I like you noticed this but agree he was just feigning confidence for reactions as he later stated.
#202: Is good pressure.

Probably my strongest town read. Seems the most engaged and the most direct. Definitely a drive to discern alignment and not just drive lynches.

Almost50

Spoiler: Null

#12: Okay, interesting. Are you implying we shouldn't take that at face value? Is there any reason to doubt the claim?
#118: Everything on this page seems town from A50. I like the questions he is asking and the interactions with Pers.
#214: You know if you say your vote is for a specific reaction you pretty much forfeit that reaction from happening right?

Going back and forth with this. Some fluff (like #12 above, and to a lesser extent #214), and the whole IC thing and posting in the wrong thread is making a little unsure where to place him because if he is that disengaged I don't know how confident I can be in any tells I think I pick up.

PenguinPower

Spoiler: Town

He's the IC. Duh.

Lovebird

Spoiler: Null

#105 I like the early reads even if at this point I don't agree with Dunn. LB seems to be playing transparently.

I like the amount of reads but the lack of explanation and proactive engagement is nullifying that. Seems like a pattern of swooping in, giving vague reads, then leaving.

General thoughts:
Not as confident in my reads as I normally am. Too many people (Egix, Maria, Reaper, Clemency) have gotten away with mainly fluff posting and it makes it really hard to discern alignment. Also, leaving your votes parked on a lurker slot to pressure the replacement? Seems mainly like an excuse to not engage with other players. What if it took a while to find a replacement? And the fact that the closest we've gotten to a lynch is L-3...explains why I am having trouble with the reads. Wagons generate content.

Also, just going to head off the OMGUS accusations now: Yes, I realize two of my scum reads are on my wagon. No, I don't think they are both scum (I don't think scum would wagon back to back like that), but I think that's where pressure needs to go and I bet one of them is.

Also, disclaimer, this is an alt of Slaxx, I just can't access the account currently. So if meta is your thing have at it. I have a couple completed games on this guy as well from a while back.

Bit perturbed by who your suspects are given Gnelf expressing similar suspicions a few posts before this

[Gamma Emerald]

You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

MariaR I think we might be gelling this game

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't think it's clemency.

Who do YOU think it is then?

[Gamma Emerald]

Except I laid down that vote on Clemency before Gnelf.

Meh. Still feels off.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I also noticed you last stated scumread EgiX has a comparison to Clemency and ROS so it just struck me as off how you seemed to be basing your reads off of that

[Gamma Emerald]

is gamma in this game
gamma can vouch for me

If that includes stating you flaked a fuck ton of times when you were on the site fuck yeah I can vouch.

[Gamma Emerald]

pls pay attention to class tho
Unless you’re too far gone in which case carry on

[Gamma Emerald]

Aight

[Gamma Emerald]

That mats a horrible interpretation of the lolwagons wagon, at least for my reasoning

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait are there seriously 3 days left in d1

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh. Felt longer.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can answer the last point
Nothing, Shema just wasn’t his preferred lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

How are you content to be on a wagon like that gamma ewwwwwww

Pal I started it
Why no doubt in your mind that I could be scum? The way you wrote this tells me you think I’m Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Peguin, Gmelf, Egil, Lovebirb:

join a wagon or case your current vote

[Gamma Emerald]

[mocking voice] For your sake I hope this is correct

Having your fun cornel I see.

How are you content to be on a wagon like that gamma ewwwwwww

Pal I started it
Why no doubt in your mind that I could be scum? The way you wrote this tells me you think I’m Town.

When have I read you wrong.

I’m just trying to pick your brain a little. If you think the wagonis bad why not investigate the root of it?
And it’s rare but you have been off on me in the past at least once by your own admission...

[Gamma Emerald]

[mocking voice] For your sake I hope this is correct

Having your fun cornel I see.

How are you content to be on a wagon like that gamma ewwwwwww

Pal I started it
Why no doubt in your mind that I could be scum? The way you wrote this tells me you think I’m Town.

When have I read you wrong.

I’m just trying to pick your brain a little. If you think the wagonis bad why not investigate the root of it?
And it’s rare but you have been off on me in the past at least once by your own admission...

True I can name once but I wouldn't let 1 time stop my actions. I don't like the wagon because everyone on it minus you I have as null or a sr

Which ones are null and which ones are SRs, and why?

[Gamma Emerald]

i have a massive headache and now i have to deal with you people wagoning another townie?

Which Townie was previously wagoned?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess that’s a fair response. I just felt it was kinda off you were saying that while voting the counterwagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrrm. These interactions don’t feel right.
@Persivul why are you telling RoS to take things less personal, I don’t see where he has been?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrrm. These interactions don’t feel right.
@Persivul why are you telling RoS to take things less personal, I don’t see where he has been?

It seems to be his style. Let's put it this way. My experience with him he's been wrong more than he's been right.

WHAT experience?

[Gamma Emerald]

So you’re saying his INexperience with you means he’s wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not very convincing to anyone not you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Really, how?

[Gamma Emerald]

Deadline extension for me, too.

[Gamma Emerald]

Long twilight

Yeah wtf
Long twilight = more sitting around doing jack shit
Plus if we lynch before mod returns we get long twilight anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

For not posting right
I’m not opposed but I think the heads may have just flaked

[Gamma Emerald]

All three heads

[Gamma Emerald]

The entire wagon for Gnelf is on this page. Can someone think for a second if scum gets wagoned this easily?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was unopposed when it didn’t reach L-1 in the span of 10 posts. Yeah the speed affected it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t buy it. HammerTime

VOTE: Gnelf

Lame attempt at a fakehammer.
Can we vote Lolwagons now?

[Gamma Emerald]

So you are claiming VT?

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s different strands of logic lol

[Gamma Emerald]

My bet is that it’s either an SK and it’s a T or a one shot vig with a V
Am curious what Gnelf has to offer now

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Almost50

Curious about this btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Reads too
Otherwise there would be no point.

If he’s scum there’s no way this happens. You’re beating a dead horse.
VOTE: Egix

[Gamma Emerald]

as far as I'm concerned, if you vote egix its because you scumread him too, disregarding potential night actions.

do what you want.

Lol so not a guilty

[Gamma Emerald]

This is the part where gamma and pp take over the game k thx bye

Is this Oka o-o

[Gamma Emerald]

Wat

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I do think Egil's reaction to the assumed guilty was pretty awful so I'm gonna stay there rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll move on for reasons, but the slot is likely scum.

Why Reaper?

Is the Lovebird scumread meta-based?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
I can back the read I guess but would rather lynch Egil

[Gamma Emerald]

oh I forgot that username was

you

.

[Gamma Emerald]

Egix & Persivul are Cops (Persy already flipped_ and Maria was a VT (we had 2 NKs on N1)

So it's MCCC or MCCCC and we are gauaranteed either a V or a T

T⁴'s post made me realize this is wrong
Gnelf is a claimed cop, not Egix
and it's not confirmed Gnelf is a cop yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Egix & Persivul are Cops (Persy already flipped_ and Maria was a VT (we had 2 NKs on N1)

So it's MCCC or MCCCC and we are gauaranteed either a V or a T

T⁴'s post made me realize this is wrong
Gnelf is a claimed cop, not Egix
and it's not confirmed Gnelf is a cop yet

on top of this A50 didn't state what Gnelf's result was (they got an inno on me)
pretty frickin' nasty tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Egix & Persivul are Cops (Persy already flipped_ and Maria was a VT (we had 2 NKs on N1)

So it's MCCC or MCCCC and we are gauaranteed either a V or a T

T⁴'s post made me realize this is wrong
Gnelf is a claimed cop, not Egix
and it's not confirmed Gnelf is a cop yet

on top of this A50 didn't state what Gnelf's result was (they got an inno on me)
pretty frickin' nasty tbh

He said what we KNOW not what we think we know. I TR you and I didn't need a check on you (although that helps put my paranoia to a rest), but theoretically you could still be GF or SK.

Egil isn’t cop though so that’s not “something we know”

[Gamma Emerald]

Hwat
I thought it was Kokichi who fakeclaimed masons that game

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point I really just want to hear Dunn, Gamma, and Gnelf's take on Overkill

I recall him being wagoned D1 So that’s probably something to look at
I know that isn’t a real stance but it’s what I find noteworthy

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, that’s a weird thing, iirc that’s supposed to be for the game mod or smth but sometimes random people can use it

[Gamma Emerald]

Well here is how I'm thinking about the game.

We had near deadline two competing wagons, Lol and Reaper. Reaper gets pushed up to L1, reaper spews.

Then I get CFD'd, within the span of a few hours, which is glaringly suspicious because this game has been plagued by activity concerns and slow building of wagons. I claim cop, wagon dissolves.

Then we turn back to Reaper and Lol again, but this time rather than returning to a Reaper lynch, Lolwagons gets pushed up.

Which makes me think that all this effort was to prevent a Reaper flip. Reaper flip incriminates Clemency as well because he was the breaking point to make the Reaper wagon inferior to the Lol wagon.

If Reaper is town though, then we have to look back further and consider A50/Egix/Clemency stuff.

Oka, did you already forget the last game? The two competing wagons were on TOWN. Both of them. It just so happened that Scum were.. erm.. (ok.. how do I say this w.o. offending Gamma? ) and decided to shoot BEF who would have otherwise been hard pushed for this same exact reason you're stating here.

DrD was kinda off from his towngame
PP I hopped on rather violently
And yeah PO was wagoned D1, but most of the D1 wagons were on town
I don’t think that devalue’s Oka’s analysis though

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma

Yeah
I thought you were aware we were in a ton of games together

[Gamma Emerald]

What is growing on you?

Y.O.U.

but that's NAI justsoyouknow

Ew.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t really care for the buddying but you avoiding giving an actual read there and just saying “your style is good” is shady imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m SORRY?!???!? Is the concept of me deceiving you

THAT

disturbing you have to attack my character over it? I am

personally

offended by that statement Reaper.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll wait for a response before I give mine.

You said if I wasn’t town I was “the worst of the worst”. Not sure what I did to deserve that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll wait for a response before I give mine.

You said if I wasn’t town I was “the worst of the worst”. Not sure what I did to deserve that.

Meaning you are the Don or the SK. If there is one. How about a total over reaction. You need a safe space?

There are much less offputting ways to say that ffs
I don’t need a safe space, you need to improve your word choice

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll wait for a response before I give mine.

You said if I wasn’t town I was “the worst of the worst”. Not sure what I did to deserve that.

Meaning you are the Don or the SK. If there is one. How about a total over reaction. You need a safe space?

There are much less offputting ways to say that ffs
I don’t need a safe space, you need to improve your word choice

Are you having a bad day? Someone needs to chill.

I am running on empty sleep-wise but I would have taken that the same way no matter what state I was in.
I’m looking forward to reactions to it though.

[Gamma Emerald]

no wait stop being reasonable
fight more

I’m still mildly wounded but I’m more interested in reading reactions over continuing the fight at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma why are u not power villaging

Only time I power villaged in a game with you was as scum lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

with the power of a cop inno

u have the power to rise above the emotions of the common man

and secure us the key to victory

pp can do this too

Which ironically was what I was saying when Gamma got bent

. I am not, nor was I doubting the innocent on Gamma. Just stating possibility. At the time we were on the same wagon.

I have trouble seeing that but whatever.

[Gamma Emerald]

oh fuck I forgot Maria died
the reason I was awaiting reactions to my outburst was because she has some meta tell on me involving my emotionality and I wanted to see which way that outburst pinged her

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I can accept a assclaim

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll simplify

I suspect that Godfather and/or SK are in this pool of
<Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral>

how's this work with your inno on Gamma?
lol

That’s

perfectly

logical, idk what the fuck you’re rambling about

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol ok buddy dipshit
How about IM JUST TOWN, SHIT FOR BRAINS

[Gamma Emerald]

How is TTTT’s current play towny

[Gamma Emerald]

You gave the read first. Explain it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. I get the feeling he’s angling towards a Gnelf vote

[Gamma Emerald]

Are y’all fucking retarded
I COULD ALSO BE TOWN!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
Well both kills were in that pool too so my guess is both sides were hunting down the other and neither is there

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma you can chill now
Like Pengy said... I'm saying that from Gnelf's stated POV and previous arguments you are SK or GF
I would have thought you of all people would be interested in Gnelf explaining this... ?
have you accepted his cop claim without suspicion?

I feel like scum treated them like they were legitimate so I’m trusting it.

[Gamma Emerald]

By your speculation that it’s in your n1 cop pool

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah I think they bought it, his reaction felt like caught scum

[Gamma Emerald]

So it’s always an SK to you TTTT?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean if you’re outing you might as well give results

[Gamma Emerald]

So what tf was mafia RB doing n1

[Gamma Emerald]

what even

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TTTT
No.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why no lynch? That’s actually awful spec.
VOTE: Almost50
You’re above that level of screw-up. This is scum!you trying to feed bullshit to everyone.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re arguing we lynch the SK then no lynch. If we lynch SK and mafia get a kill off tonight it’s Lylo. So NL loses the game. I seriously doubt you wouldn’t know this so you arguing a seriously flawed plan makes me think you’re scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re arguing we lynch the SK then no lynch. If we lynch SK and mafia get a kill off tonight it’s Lylo. So NL loses the game. I seriously doubt you wouldn’t know this so you arguing a seriously flawed plan makes me think you’re scum.

No. I am arfuing we Lynch SK

or

No Lynch today.

Then I read it wrong.
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait.

UNVOTE:

4-2-1 >> Lynch SK >> 4-2 >> 1 NK >> 3-2-0 LyLo (solid. No ifs)
4-2-1 >> Lynch Mafia >> 4-1-1 >> 2 NKs >> 2-1-1/3-0-1/3-1-0/4-0-0 (very swingy) 3 chances put of 4
4-2-1 >> Lynch Town >> 3-2-1 >> 2 NKs >> 1-2-1/2-1-1/2-2-0/3-1-0 (almost guaranteed Town Loss) 1 chance in 4
4-2-1 >> No Lynch >> 4-2-1 >> 2 NKs >> 2-2-1/3-1-1/3-2-0/4-1-0 we still can win on all 4 scenarios. although 2-2-1 is hard

So, our best shot is to Lynch the SK

followed by

No Lynch then Mafia lynch, but we cannot afford to mislynch.

I still think you are the SK, but I see now you could be Mafia trying to get on SK's good side, or Town who just counts on having Town solidarity in a 4 players MyLo.

I misread this as a sequence of events, not a order of preference.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll admit I don't know why this...
4-2-1 >> Lynch Mafia >> 4-1-1 >> 2 NKs >> 2-1-1/3-0-1/3-1-0/4-0-0 (very swingy) 3 chances out of 4

is strictly worse than this...
4-2-1 >> Lynch SK >> 4-2 >> 1 NK >> 3-2-0 LyLo (solid. No ifs)

if we put expected values on each of these:
2-1-1 = 0 wins
3-0-1 = .5 wins
3-1-0 = .5 wins
4-0-0 = 1.0 wins
average = .5 wins

3-2-0 = .5 wins

I mean we could argue the expected values...
but at this point I'm out of my element

I feel like if the numbers are run objectively the odds are better if we lynch mafia, but lynching mafia creates a lot of possible outcomes while lynching SK gives us 50/50 5p LyLo into clearless 3p LyLo.

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess I’ll try this, kinda cool idea but I wanna hear why this specifically when we’re done. I wanna know if this is usable in the future.

Gamma Emerald - 0
Gnelf - 0
Clemency - 1
0verki11 - 0
Almost50 - 1
TTTT - 1

Let’s just remove PP from that kthxbye

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I’m thinking this flips scum
He’s hammered right

[Gamma Emerald]

So we're in 3p Kingmaker with a confirmed inno to boot, ok
I don't think we'll be able to lynch town that isn't PP ever so our best options is probs a no lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

wait
so if it's 2-1-1
can we even win

It's still anyone's game yes
I don't think you've been in kingmaker so I suggest you look it up on the wiki

btw why the need to claim vanilla? The setup is practically figured out here.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: no lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

I never expected to win but I am glad I got as far as I did
I shot overkill aiming for scum FYI, I felt like Clemency was clearly town

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald, a

Serial Killer,

was killed Night 4.
0verki11, a

Mafia Godfather

,

was killed Night 4.

Town.

Disclaimer:

If you are easily offended; DO NOT OPEN THE SPOILER

I've had it up till here with stupid play, so I'm ranting my guts out.

Spoiler:

You two stupid fucks. I literally told you BOTH whom to kill on the night before last. I offered you to work together rather than hand it all back to town.

@Gamma: I knew all along you were the bloody SK and I decided to play

with

you, rather than

against

you.

Even after you two had played it bad on that night, you could have targeted the confirmed townie on the last night and then lynched the other townie today. You certainly did not have to get greedy and try to win it all alone.

Nah I wanted town to win over mafia at that point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Add me to your PT so that I can shit you death (The Get to know an Emerald PT, that is).

It’s not a PT it’s a GTKAS thread
And don’t you fucking post there if you’re going to flame me

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not even authorized, so how can I post there?

I get the feeling you’d ask for access just to flame me

[Gamma Emerald]

And also can we chill the hell out
A50 I try not to react this way but I totally see how people can react to your shenanigans with a scumread on you

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why was Clem obvtown for you?
I need to learn to read him bc he joins every game on this site

Just his way of talking in the kingmaker situation
He looked like he was actually town, not scum trying to write as if they were town

[Gamma Emerald]

"inb4 Gamma is SK"
I bloomin' called it.
@Gamma I'm legitimately surprised that you didn't seem at all fazed by me calling you "mister serial killer".
Like... you didn't feel at all paranoid that I somehow knew your role?

Why would I show it? That gives me away!
Though really I think my behavior was kinda obv at times.

[Gamma Emerald]

This was definitely fun
My favorite 3p game to date