BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[Thanos]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Do the four chosen ones get a thread of their own to discuss things?

[Thanos]

I thought Lamees would've been posting more by now; Apologies for the inactivity, I'll take some more time before I get into the game.

Someone who is a human and thinks something is true but isn't 100% certain may say/write if/then logic as a natural linguistic effect of that uncertainty. This goes for whether the uncertainty is in the 1st or 2nd part of the statement.

Once you're in the pattern of if x/then y, modifying that pattern to another conditional to show certainty in x but conditional in y is possible, but to the writer unnecessary given they know what they are uncertain about.

I have never seen a legit slip of this type, and the people who call such so-called slips to attention have been scum at least half the time I've seen someone bring it up, possibly more.

It seems unlikely that scum!BEF knowingly pushed a slip he'd know no one else would agree on, and call attention to himself that way. BEF seems to have genuinely believed in that slip, which makes me think he's town.

~Auro

[Thanos]

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

I just watched Infinity War. You’re on my shit list.

And you didn't like it? Eww. I'mma snap you away if I had the chance.

~Auro

[Thanos]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but our votes do have consequences. Just like the words and actions we make online have real world implications as well.

Votes in this thread will eventually lynch someone, trick is we never know when the day will end unless it goes to deadline or the 4 tell us when they are ending the day

Similar slip here; town methinks. Also, this is one of the slots whose ISO actually feels like they're trying to gamesolve, I appreciate that.
Nev and Max are town.

~Auro

[Thanos]

So it seems I misunderstood. So the 4 people vote privately when to end the day. I thought it was their public votes. What do you guys think of this idea. We always have a majority on the scummier of the 4. That way we guarantee one doesn't vote in private. Until we are ready to vote our actual lynch target?

-kokichi

I'll throw in this slot into my town pool as well.

~Auro

[Thanos]

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

Having no votes in the main thread is a mechanic I think scum would be aware of.
Scum *could* make a vote nonetheless, but read her posts after that - it's clear she didn't know that votes weren't counted on the main thread.
Of course, it's possible she could be faking it, but I think it's likelier she's town.

~Auro

[Thanos]

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

It's mentioned in the setup and yet DVa didn't know that.
It's likelier for town in this scenario not to have read the setup properly and not know that public votes aren't counted.
It's less likely for scum to not know, IMO -- Making your slot likely town.

This is an early read, subject to change if there's stronger evidence.

~Auro

[Thanos]

Your assumption that not reading the game post is towny is unfounded.

It's a bit more nuanced than that.
Not reading the game post isn't inherently towny, I agree.
Scum would have more likely been aware of some of the important mechanics, private votes being one.
Therefore if a slot wasn't aware of that mechanic, it's likelier town than scum.
And at an early stage, fine to toss into a town pool.

[Thanos]

Yeah I still don't agree. I'm oblivious as either alignment. I would think it was towny reasoning if they didn't have a myriad of posts and therefore other points you could have sorted them as town for.

Sure, *you* may be oblivious as either alignment -- that doesn't mean it's false that scum would likelier be aware of such a mechanic.
Feel free to disagree with me here, but I'm still sticking by it.
That slot usually has a lot of posts which I don't find AI.

[Thanos]

Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?

Lol, I think Something_Smart did this as a joke, knowing that public votes aren't counted, to test for reactions.
I'd like more content from the slot, still gut-towning him for this.

[Thanos]

If I wanted to evaluate your ISO I would have. I'm asking fir a live interaction. You should be flattered I'm willing to dance with you. Cha cha?

I think that's a bit lazy since he mentioned his thoughts on RCE the *previous page*, I'm liking Nero in this exchange.
Given his agreement on BEF, too - I'll throw him into my townpool as well. :3

~Auro

[Thanos]

Almost Chara (1) Alonzo
Elsa Jay (1) Rambolicious
Nev and Max (8) Elsa, Almost Chara, Emperor Flippynips, Profii, Gamma, DrewVa, McQueen, RCnigma, Xtosm,

Damn looks like my vote wasn't counted?

[Thanos]

That vc seems legit. Why would he lie? Probably some error in the algorithm that isn't counting some of our votes.

[Thanos]

I literally just called you out for trying to kill the town power roles with the way you were going. Would You rather I push you?

That would be a weak push.
The argument was never "Ohh scum would know about mechanics, therefore let's kill the people who do", the whole thing was a basis for finding town.

If X = Being scum, Y = Being aware of the mechanics, then with a greater than random probability,
X⇒Y. (This is my premise)
This is equivalent to the logical contrapositive ~Y⇒~X, which means we can say it's likely they're not scum, and therefore throw a weak early townread there. It doesn't matter if PRs or playstyle-based players are aware of the mechanics in the context of my usage.

Also, Lamees is going to hate me for this. Heh.

~A

[Thanos]

That is definitely extreme for a hydra to be that divergent on a read. I know I am far more likely to see this kind of weirdness in scum teammates than from hydras.

I don't think so, Lam disagrees with me about Ultimate Liars.
I'm taking them out of my town pool, I'll let her explain why she thinks they might be scum.

~A

[Thanos]

Focusing on me just hurts you more. You dont have to townread me yet, and even if you personally check me, you won't believe me. I'm just a natural of being suspicious.

Why are you so focused on me anyway instead of some others?

Fos: Elsa Jay

[Thanos]

It'd be hilarious if Thanos got lynched/killed on the same day Endgame comes out

It's likelier that we make it to LyLo and there's a mislynch... meaning we get Endgamed :$ :$

[Thanos]

That bef was town regardless of thanos alignment. In general an in depth read like that seems tmi given the context. Up to that point it was a pissing match between slots giving vague reads and slots angry at people giving vague reads while not doing anything differently.

It's a good opportunity to seem townie, was my first impression.

Have you looked at any of my previous games?
Would you have preferred I give "vague" reads to blend in?
This is my first large, and my other head's as well *shrug* trying to find a suitable style to adopt here. I thought I had a reasonable basis for starting to town people.
There were other slots being serious and playing the game at that point too; what do you make of them? (Davesaz, Nev&Max)

~Auro

[Thanos]

It's not math.

[Thanos]

It's not algebra either. Gawd.
Just because you see and X and a Y doesn't make it algebra, Nancy

[Thanos]

A Math-tini on the rocks, please.

[Thanos]

This seems like town auro imo. Town lean.

-lamees

[Thanos]

Can we all lynch Thanos for bringing math into mafia?

What's L-1?

Btw alonzo since you can see votes please let me know if I get to around L-2 or so.

[Thanos]

Then why do they allegedly have the most votes? I don't see the davesaz townread but I seem to always scumread them.

~ C

It’s fake. DVa told me she never voted them.

Why would your partner need to tell you something like that? Locked out lf your own confessional?

[Thanos]

Ugh... Nancy's reads make me want to end more than just the day....

Lol! I'm liking Alonzo's ISO, I heavily disagree with the "let's end the day on page 30" idea but his sticking to it makes me want to toss him into my town pool as well.

[Thanos]

This seems like town auro imo. Town lean.

-lamees

You’re townleaning your hydra partner? Lolwat?

This is Lam joking around, she'd never townlean me especially this early normally

[Thanos]

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

To be honest, I do feel excitement every time Elsa mentions me in a post regardless if it's an insult. There's something there. I feel like Elsa wants to hate me but just can't. Elsa has this conceal--don't feel mentality when it comes to me. He can't just turn away and slam the door though. Perhaps, he should test the limits and break through and win this game with me us town.

Jesus Christ, we get it, just let it go man. Let it go.

Whose mans is this?

[Thanos]

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

To be honest, I do feel excitement every time Elsa mentions me in a post regardless if it's an insult. There's something there. I feel like Elsa wants to hate me but just can't. Elsa has this conceal--don't feel mentality when it comes to me. He can't just turn away and slam the door though. Perhaps, he should test the limits and break through and win this game with me us town.

Jesus Christ, we get it, just let it go man. Let it go.

That's what I get for trying to be funny....

It's Nev, Thanos. He posted this after the slip.

Thanks

[Thanos]

When did we decide to vote public?

[Thanos]

Lamees did post a couple of times; she thinks D1 is too NAI noisy and chaotic to really contribute much, and with the absence of public votes I'm kinda in agreement.
That said, what's the utility of having people make their FoSes or votes known in public, which someone unofficially keeps track of?
Also, is there anything particular I could look at and give a stance on?

~Auro

[Thanos]

Why is drewVA trying to get everyone scum read

[Thanos]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

"broken record act"? Could you explain that a little more?

~A

[Thanos]

So we need this extremely important matter cleared up. Which of you or FF is Alonzo’s “chiseled Greek God”?

Why is this "chiseled Greek God" crap relevant to the game? O.o
Does the answer help inform your reads?

~A

[Thanos]

You said we’re scumreading “everybody”. I said I’m sr Ram and if they flip red, I’m taking another look at Alonzo.

So, in what world - let alone THIS game - does that add up to “everybody”?

I thought you were supposed to be good at math.

I don't think Lamees meant it in the literal sense, but I'll let her explain further why she felt so.

~A

[Thanos]

Ask Alonzo. He brought it up for some weird reason.

Does the answer to "who's the chiseled god" affect/inform your reads, or not?

~A

[Thanos]

Ah. Reading back on it, DrewVa seems to think this is a slip:
"I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame."

I really disagree, it seems pretty clear to me he meant he's playing a different style.
I can NOT imagine scum actually saying "this isn't my towngame".

~A

[Thanos]

Ask Alonzo. He brought it up for some weird reason.

Does the answer to "who's the chiseled god" affect/inform your reads, or not?

~A

I said, ask Alonzo because he’s the one who brought that up.

Why should I ask him if the answer to your question informs *your* read? O.o
You asked the question, and I'm trying to find out what you were trying to get out of it.

~A

[Thanos]

Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

At worst, I’m not wrong. At best, it’s NAI. Because I have seen it happen, more often than not.

The current subject is the legitimacy of the alleged "scumslip".
What you're saying in the quoted can be applied to anything anyone said.
(Assuming by "it" you refer to slips like this)
If you have seen slips highly similar to this one, can you quote them?

~A

[Thanos]

Oh, this really is a serious question then?

I legit thought your slot was trolling us for some reason.

I was kidding. rofl

It was a serious question. o.O
I'm not trolling, I want to figure out why you asked the "chiseled fish" question.
What do you mean -- you asked that question as a joke? Not relevant to the game itself?

~A

[Thanos]

Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.

Well, I don't buy that anyone made a slip of that specific nature ("this isn't my towngame") as scum; if you can back that up it'll lend some amount of credibility but as far as my judgment of the legitimacy of the slip itself goes, it doesn't look like one. Also, this is a very weak push.

~A

[Thanos]

I think you really are trolling us now. You actually think it was a serious question? Like for realz?

I'd appreciate it if the game had less fluff or irrelevant content, since it's already hard to keep up with, then.

~A

[Thanos]

DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"

I did read that.
DrewVa's asking you for your defense against TLK when it's so easy to read your ISO and find 1127 and 1218 makes her push seem lazy, and the lack of willingness to back her claim of seeing similar scumslips is bothersome.

The feeble push here with that serious tone feels a bit scum-motivated to me *shrug*

~A

[Thanos]

VOTE: end the day

[Thanos]

We don't get to end the day, Lam.

~A

[Thanos]

good post fishy. i think you're bang on there. you can have a townlean.

I'm throwing a townlean on BEF as well for that post.

~Auro

[Thanos]

I would not be quoting from my Confessional if I were one of you guys.....

I wouldn't recommend doing that as well.

[Thanos]

Can we have a list of lurkers? I personally would rather just lynch them, unless they start posting. It's likely that active posters easily attract votes.

~A

[Thanos]

Still don't like TLK's VC it's busy work and I'm not a fan.

You mean the VC of public in-thread "votes" he's keeping track of? I like it, I think it's pro-town at least in that it helps keep track of sentiments.
I encourage the 'busywork', leantown there. Bad lynch.

~A

[Thanos]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

So it seems I misunderstood. So the 4 people vote privately when to end the day. I thought it was their public votes. What do you guys think of this idea. We always have a majority on the scummier of the 4. That way we guarantee one doesn't vote in private. Until we are ready to vote our actual lynch target?

-kokichi

UL is one of the lurkiest slots, and Lamees thinks this^ more likely comes from scum!Kokichi than town!Kokichi, even though I felt it was townslippy.

Also, lynch all liars.

Will probs place our vote here rn.

~A

[Thanos]

It doesn't do anything unless slots openly express they are voting X. So at best it's an inaccurate representation of the gamestate...that's at best. I've expressed why I think votecounts today are an antitown move in the long run though it wasn't acknowledged. Bef said the same recently though which quite a few people agreed with.

Yes, but it captures sentiment. It's inaccurate in terms of who people are voting, but it's the equivalent of a FoS tracker in games with normal vote mechanics.
People should be held accountable to their reads -- a FoS tracker is a great way to support that. I'll look up your previous argument against vote counts.

~A

[Thanos]

I did see that right after posting, apologies for the useless question.
I then did voice my concerns about Ultimate Liars.

~A

[Thanos]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1

Emperors New Groove (1) -- DrewVa
Something_Smart (1) -- Something_Smart

Not Voting: Thanos, Ultimate Liars, Profii, McQueen, Davesaz, Almost Chara, The Last Knight, Cheeky Dancer, Thea Alpine, Elsa Jay, Gamma Emerald, Xtoxm, BrightEyedFish, Karmeleon, Ramcius, Nev and Max, Emperor FlippyNips, Alonzo, Emperors New Groove, RCEnigma, Nero Cain

With 23 alive, it is 12 to lynch.

Probably easier this way to only list the wagons that have votes on them.

If I missed any votes feel free to update.
-D

RCEnigma (1) -- The Last Knight
Emperors New Groove (1) -- DrewVa
Something_Smart (1) -- Something_Smart
The Last Knight (1) -- RCEnigma

Not Voting: Thanos, Ultimate Liars, Profii, McQueen, Davesaz, Almost Chara, Cheeky Dancer, Thea Alpine, Elsa Jay, Gamma Emerald, Xtoxm, BrightEyedFish, Karmeleon, Ramcius, Nev and Max, Emperor FlippyNips, Alonzo, Emperors New Groove, Nero Cain

Think he picked it up here, and thought it was a good idea.
I appreciate it.

~A

[Thanos]

I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti

Has anyone struck you as particularly scummy so far?

~A

[Thanos]

I kinda townread this post as I remember thinking the same when I first did ISO skims like forever ago. Also don't think Hebi takes on Drewva as scum knowing they can obv town.

Is DrewVa that readable? I have one completed scumgame with DVa but I think she's not at easy to read; I'll look up scumgames of the other head, any that come to mind?
DrewVa's posts seem to contain a fair bit of fluff, and their push on Ramcius deserve some scumpoints.
I don't see a read on DrewVa in your ISO, what's your opinion of that slot?

~A

[Thanos]

I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti

I'll also add (or re-iterate) that it's pretty damn beneficial for scum to lurk here, since posting naturally potentially attracts votes. Plus it's harder to hold them accountable for their vote.

~A

[Thanos]

Not game specific, this is the case in any mafia game. It's also right around the corner from Xmas and isn't the place I would expect a scumhunt should originate.

Indeed, but there's also a slight difference in that we can't pressure a slot with our vote since we don't have a public vote -- so it's just reduced to threats.
What's your read on Ultimate Liars? We have a scumlean there.

~A

[Thanos]

I believe by saying “I’m gonna plump for a lurker” means if you try and threaten someone - again you lose the effect

Also by going for lurkers, particularly at Xmas where there is a few scum can “randomly” pick “this one” imo

I don't think you'd lose the effect by stating that. Can easily rephrase to "This slot has been a null-scum/scumlean and hasn't contributed much afterwards".
The "randomly picking" thing can happen anyway *shrug* one thing I'm disliking about the mechanic, justifying votes in retrospect is pretty easy.

~A

[Thanos]

VOTE: end the day

Cute.

[Thanos]

Aiuro is just naturly scummy.

Thanks for that. It's expected that my playstyle would be found scummy at least on a tonal basis, but I'm currently focusing more on the scumhunting part of it than looking like how town is expected to look.

Is there anything my slot has done so far that you read as more scum motivated than town motivated, or anti-town?

~A

[Thanos]

And you assuming we’re being scummy, rather than just wrong.

That's the game though

Also, you could be seen as being possibly lamist or tryharding?

LAMEESist.

At any rate, if you don’t get your partner to stop voting to “end the day”, I’m seriously considering policy lynching you, and this is coming from someone who is opposed to them on principle.

Lamees can’t vote for that, so please make her stop. It’s hella annoying.

Nah, it's cute, and harmless.

[Thanos]

And you assuming we’re being scummy, rather than just wrong.

That's the game though

Also, you could be seen as being possibly lamist or tryharding?

LAMEESist.

At any rate, if you don’t get your partner to stop voting to “end the day”, I’m seriously considering policy lynching you, and this is coming from someone who is opposed to them on principle.

Lamees can’t vote for that, so please make her stop. It’s hella annoying.

Nah, it's cute, and harmless.

I really dislike this post.

You keep making more like these and I may vote you.

Yeah auro went for a bit of a stretch there. It definitely isn't cute.

But can anyone else see drewva is obv scum? Or is it just me.

-lamees

[Thanos]

What's wrong with it?

They’re not answering or addressing any of my concerns.

Who do you have a question for? I admit to not reading the thread much and have very few posts. But I think day 1 should end already. Auro doing most of the scum hunting and posting so far.

[Thanos]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

[Thanos]

I’m voting Thanos, because A) I’m starting to dislike their surfacey reads.

B) their failure to adequately adress my very valid concerns.

C) I think their posting up to now, strikes me as lamisty and tryharding.

D) Lamees in particular, reads super scummy to me.

E) Their response to my suspicion of their bad response to me, was not to attempt to further clarify my concerns but to immediately call us, “obv scum”.

Earlier, Lamees falsely accused me of scumreading “ everybody”, which was bs shade, not to mention, a flat out lie.

When does town ever respond this way?

Town doesn’t dismiss your valid concerns by bs shading and calling you “obv scum”. They press you for explanations and ONLY if they dislike said explanation - for whatever reason - do they even consider scumreading you for it, at that point.

I will reconfirm with DVa, since she has more meta on Auro than I do but I’m also not getting particularly townie vibes from that slot. In contrast, TLK reads kind of genuine to me by comparison.

Busywork in general is NAI - it all depends on sincerity of of the thought processes and reads.

A) Throwing a leantown for busywork is a surfacey read, but that's all I'm going to have on D1. The scumlean on you was more than surfacey, your push on Ramcius and your "IDGAF believe me or not but I ain't providing evidence to back myself up" attitude does read scum-motivated.

B) Your concerns included that we're being tryhard/LAMEEST, which is a silly attack -- again, without any substantiation on your part. Also, you have more than double the posts we do, hence the lulz.

C) Again, no substantiation, and lulz

D) Town!You usually check meta before lacing someone with a strong read like that; I see you've made zero effort at looking at Lamees' meta? Do show me how this isn't her town meta, and I'll accept your read there.

E) Eh, your "concerns" are damn weak, and the threat of policy lynching on something as simple as voting to end the day is petty.

You're talking about "good town play" as you view it, but also ignoring Lamees' meta, which is a red flag.

[Thanos]

It’s a big red flag to me that you keep hard defending her scummy posting, rather than clarifying it.

You know damn well, if I ever responded the way your hydra partner did to my post, callling you “obv scum”,for a perfectly reasonable post, you’d be calling for my head to. Don’t even try to insult my intelligence by pretending otherwise.

She was really confident on you being scum even before your post. She does this all the time as town -- did you check her meta?
Nancy responding the way Lamees did is scummy, but Lamees responding the way Lamees usually does isn't, is what I'm saying.

~A

[Thanos]

No, and it’s up to your slot to link me. It’s ludicrous for you to expect me to excuse her scummy behaviour and your shade on me is just more hypocritical bs.

Where is YOUR metacheck on me, huh? Don’t you dare continue to keep shading me with this hypocritical bs, until you actually back it up. IOW, when you practice what you preach. I think you’re either scum here or really bad at Mafia and you defending blatant scummy behaviour by deflecting it back on me, reads super scummy to me, especially when your shading me for reasons that equally apply to you.

Newbie 1900, she obvscummed Not_Mafia for no reason at all immediately in D1, turns out she was town and he was scum.

I thought it was your town meta to extensively meta-check people. Is it not?

Why do I have to metacheck you? There's nothing "super scummy" I've stated about you, just a scumlean for a push I saw as weak and potentially scum motivated.

You're alleging that Lam is super scummy for something she does as town, without putting in any effort to check if town!her does that. I've not done that to your slot, so there's no symmetry here, is there?

~A

[Thanos]

these are lies because lamees is always scummy

so you saying anything lamees does is not scummy is a clear misrep and is scummy, auro

you know this

What she does *looks* scummy. It isn't scum-indicative for her, DVa. You know this.

[Thanos]

What she does *looks* scummy. It isn't scum-indicative for her, DVa. You know this.

False. Lamees is always scum, particularly when she gets green in her role pm. -D

One reason I Hydra'd with her, she's damn difficult to sort because of this to me, and I've not seen anyone reliably sort her either, yet.

I should be much more sortable to DVa at least.


~A

[Thanos]

What she does *looks* scummy. It isn't scum-indicative for her, DVa. You know this.

False. Lamees is always scum, particularly when she gets green in her role pm. -D

Ok typical DVa to blow this way out of proportion. Inb4 rage quit the game again lol. Jk.

It's just a scum read. We are allowed that right? Chill.

I am never scummy btw. Always obvtown. Check all my past games.

-lamees

[Thanos]

I asked you for LINKS. Of course you should metacheck me, since you’re scumreading me for not doing that. And no, I don’t metacheck every plaayer in a game, only usually if I’m entirely null on them and you just continuing to deflect isn’t helping my read on you at all. Had Ram responded this way, I’d never have unvoted him.

So which is it Auro - are you actually scum here or just being intentionally obtuse and hypocritically deflecting because you can’t be bothered to make a sincere effort to sort me? The more you keep turning this back on me, rather then even genuinely trying to adequately address my concerns about your slot, the scummier your slot looks to me and if you’re actually toxn here, that is a serious mistake, because I never want to mislynch but you are doing jack to help me sort you and putting it all on me.

I'm on phone, eh it's not too much effort to pop over to the Newbie games and click on 1900 and ISO her there.

My scumlean on you was a weak push. If you make weak pushes as town, it's not going to change my scumlean, so a meta check for that isn't as reliable. Again, difference between a scumlean and "super scummy so must be scum".

Also yeah, I think there are other players better at sorting you and your posting amount makes you sortable at a later point. Your sort is pretty low on my priorities right now.

~A

[Thanos]

P.edit. Your head isn’t super scummy, your hydra partner’s is and she is calling for our mislynch. If you are actually town here, you would stop defending this scummy behaviour of hers and not continue shade ME for it. FYPOV, you too would also be supersketched out by it, so I have no clue how town!you, ever finds this even remotely acceptable.

I'm not encouraging it though, Nancy. I'm just saying it's normal for her to do this.

@Lamees: Stop. Let's discuss things first.

[Thanos]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Lol no I wasn't, D is just mad. I can link past games (COMPLETED) D will do anything as scum, nothing out of range tbh.

But ok, let's hear some cases as to how on earth that slot is town.

[Thanos]

Even more concerning is how Auro is misrepping my meta, when he both acknowledges having not done a metacheck on me and is outright refusing to do one.

My misrep is saying that you extensively meta check other people, correct? Apologies, my belief was from personal experience with you I can't talk about.

Even if it's not your meta to extensively meta check someone before scumscusing them strongly, it's still lazy play to call Lam scum for that after I pointed out it's part of her meta. *Shrug*

[Thanos]

Lol no I wasn't, D is just mad. I can link past games (COMPLETED) D will do anything as scum, nothing out of range tbh.

But ok, let's hear some cases as to how on earth that slot is town.

Lamees, stop.
We'll talk about this first before any more posts on DVa, okay?

~A

[Thanos]

PLEASE stop quoting long posts. It's hell to read on mobile.

+1
Throwing a surface level townlean on S_S too.

[Thanos]

How can any person who is either town/knows a damn thing about Mafia, ever think this way?

Cause it's Lamees. That's NAI behavior for her. I'm holding her to different standards than I hold you to.

~A

[Thanos]

Why is that townie?

Joke

[Thanos]

Sorry, totally unacceptable.

Don’t expect anyone else in the game to assume this. If she weren’t your hydra partner, it would obviously be different.

She did this in Newbie 1900 and I was town alongside her, I did the same thing I'm doing now and said she was NAI for the obvscum tunnels. Only when she pushed a wagon on me to L-1 did I suspect her of being scum, finally.

~A

I was also town there.

[Thanos]

Subject: [Game Over] Newbie 1900 - Robocalypse

I still think we shouldnt all scatter our votes around. We can settle on FL vs auro then.

And this is less opportunistic to Flavor Leaf, with 3.5 days remaining this day phase.

Yeah, that’s wasn’t the greatest post by Lamees.

Especially considering the last game we played there was 5 hours left in the day and we switched wagons to near lynch like thrice.

However it did end up with a no lynch, but just barely. No one wanted to hammer there, so we got stuck at L-1 a lot.

Why I'm not voting Lamees is that she makes very anti-town plays even as town (happened in my last game with her, at least) so I want to engage her as much as possible before wanting to lunch her. (No offense )

~A

[Thanos]

VOTE: end the day

THANK YOU

Now if everyone can twilight vote drewva we'll be in a good spot as town, lynching scum day 1 helps in the long run.

[Thanos]

Why is that townie?

Joke

Okay. Btw, I expect everyone to locktown read me for posting.

Scumslip imo. Thought you'd try the old "be the most active to avoid looking scummy". Not today. You still managed to show your agenda.

[Thanos]

Auro, sorry if you end up flipping green, but I'm not putting effort into this game to solve if lamees is going to play to scum wincon like always.

Remember that time we mislynched her where we were scum? We won that game because town knew we were playing to town wincon despite the color of lamees' flip.

Here I have the added benefit of actually being town, but frankly Auro you should just self vote so that you can make sure lamees is not alive on d2.

And this also makes her easy ML-bait. You're advocating a policy lynch on Lamees, which I don't like. You're also setting aside the fact that I'm the other Hydra head, and have worked well for town in the past.

Also stop discrediting her townplay, she's caught scum pretty early in my completed games with her. Her methods.

~A

[Thanos]

VOTE: end the day

THANK YOU

Now if everyone can twilight vote drewva we'll be in a good spot as town, lynching scum day 1 helps in the long run.

Lam, only the four DRs can choose to end the day, I told you this...

[Thanos]

Also stop discrediting her townplay, she's caught scum pretty early in my completed games with her. Her methods.

Ask yourself if you think this argument is going to convince me in particular -D

It's not an argument, I'm just saying don't discredit it.
The argument that I'm the other Hydra head should convince you, at least I hope.

~A

[Thanos]

I'm fine with lynching Lamees today.

Auro, sorry if you end up flipping green, but I'm not putting effort into this game to solve if lamees is going to play to scum wincon like always.

Remember that time we mislynched her where we were scum? We won that game because town knew we were playing to town wincon despite the color of lamees' flip.

Here I have the added benefit of actually being town, but frankly Auro you should just self vote so that you can make sure lamees is not alive on d2. -D

Misrep. I just finished a town game and won with no town lynches. That's right, lynched scum everyday to win. Also I have a town win in a booney toonz game.

You post as if you know we (auro and I) are town. But still try to push a lynch with these poor "shes just bad at mafia" arguments. Really....

You're scum that is frustrated.

[Thanos]

My scumlean on your slot was independent of your push on Lamees. I'm not pocketing you, I'm trying to prevent this from blowing up into a useless 1v1.

I don't like this talk about "reigning someone in", if their push on you is bad, call it out with rhetoric.

I'm not going to control her play to that extent. She listened to me when I said UL is a better vote and we voted there.

~A

[Thanos]

Yeah and alonzo went and unvoted end of the day. WHY

[Thanos]

like

VOTE: end the day

was just a troll vote b/c you know, I don't have any powers.

but we are at 64 pages now I don't really feel like we are getting any new info. Like if we want to wait on stragglers to chime in fine but I just think this thread will get bloated unless everyone really actives STFU.

Sorry, I think it's important for be to defend against someone effectively advocating a policy lynch on my slot after my slot called them scum.

~A

[Thanos]

like

VOTE: end the day

was just a troll vote b/c you know, I don't have any powers.

but we are at 64 pages now I don't really feel like we are getting any new info. Like if we want to wait on stragglers to chime in fine but I just think this thread will get bloated unless everyone really actives STFU.

Sorry, I think it's important for be to defend against someone effectively advocating a policy lynch on my slot after my slot called them scum.

~A

Ikr, cant even scum read players anymore. But I mean, their case on me has to go down as the worst case of all time tbh. Multiple times calls us town (they know we are) and it's obvious omgus/emotional type play.

[Thanos]

You made two posts in thread saying you would talk with her and lamees then continued to push so I'm assuming those posts were pure theater and an attempted pocket while you try to rile me through her.

Either I pocket or rile you up, since I'm a Hydra.
If our great scumplan was to pocket you, she would've stopped posting.
If our plan was to rile you up, I'd not ask her to back off from the 1v1, I'd just keep pushing you independently myself

~A

[Thanos]

You should know better than most that I am pretty much done with bothering to sort anti-town town from anti-town scum.

You're again forgetting that I'm the other head, and sortable while not being "anti-town".

~A

[Thanos]

Yeah and alonzo went and unvoted end of the day. WHY

My leg got wet pissing in the wind...

Blatant AtE. Town lean.

[Thanos]

You made two posts in thread saying you would talk with her and lamees then continued to push so I'm assuming those posts were pure theater and an attempted pocket while you try to rile me through her.

Either I pocket or rile you up, since I'm a Hydra.
If our great scumplan was to pocket you, she would've stopped posting.
If our plan was to rile you up, I'd not ask her to back off from the 1v1, I'd just keep pushing you independently myself

~A

Logic101. Town lean.

[Thanos]

Which is exactly what you're doing, Auro. You saw the pocket wasn't working, and then you pushed independently. Tell me how this isn't the bread and butter of your scum play.

Because if I was scum, and pocketing was the strategy, Lamees would listen to me and not post, making the pocket potentially more effective.

You're alleging that I and Lam are playing to different strategies as scum without an agenda where I want to pocket you and she wants to rile you up.

My defense is that I'm more meticulous as scum to not coordinate with my Hydra partner enough to pull off a strategy.

~A

[Thanos]

. You should have me as locktown

No, I needn't. I can't imagine why I would "locktown" or even townread your slot by now, and saying I'm scum for not doing that is a fancy way of saying OMGUS.

Why wouldn't you instigate a 1v1 with me as scum? It most definitely seems plausible.

~A

[Thanos]

Instead you just keep defending lamees' ate-laden shitpush when you know I will stand for exactly none of her play.

Her push isn't scum-indicative, which you're painting it to be, and defending against the PL your slot was advocating was much higher on my priorities than talking to her about your slot. I said our vote was still on UL, that was something I could've handled later as well.

I'll also note that you, knowing Lamees' play, began to advocate the PL on her *after* she scumread your slot.

~A

[Thanos]

The most suspicious part was when I asked you why you thought my pushes were scummy as opposed to just wrong and your only response was, that’s the game or words to that effect.

Your push on Ramcius was weak, and of course you could be wrong and not scum for it. You could be "wrong" and not "scum" for anything you do. A weak but adamant push appears slightly scum-motivated, though, and as I pointed out, your unwillingness to back it up with evidence deserve a few scum points.

~A

[Thanos]

in other news: i'd totally be down for a thanos lynch

i'm in no way caught up and don't give two fucks to say this.

~M

This is gross. Max is FormerFish, right? You're down to lynch me because of your loss to scum!me in the Newbie game?

~A

[Thanos]

And your continued ridiculous defense of your hydra partner and the susbsequent shading on us for presumably “ignoring” her meta, is stupid af. Why couldn’t scum!you, use this as some kind of gambit, to allow her to contune to open wolf and get townread for it? If you seriously can’t see how this could even be a possibility, something is, really off with your slot.

The problem with this is -- *anything* I do could be coming from scum!me and not town!me. I acknowledge that. Even "reigning in" Lamees could easily come from scum!me.

So yes, I see how it's a possibility for scum!Me to do that. There's virtually no course of action that only town!me would take and scum!me wouldn't. Your slot asked me why this isn't my bread and butter as scum, and I explained how I think it's poor play as scum.

It's not shade -- you did ignore her meta when I pointed it out, and then turned it into a PL. You're saying if you can't figure out who to SR you'd vote a PL? That's great, but DVa's aggressive push and "get lynched" and "I'm voting you till you're lynched" says otherwise.

~A

[Thanos]

How are you not scum here, when you keep misrepping us?

What I said, is IF I couldn’t figure out who I scumread, I would vote a PL over a NL.

So if you want this to not be a 1v1, then you can self-vote and get rid of the problem player. But I am not moving off lamees ever until she is lynched. She is scum and therefore you are scum.

How is this a Misrep?

~A

[Thanos]

Lamees is either open wolfing or appearing to. You seeming to subtly go along with it by ONLY scumleaning us and not take a stand against her behaviour, is pinging tf out of both of us and we are not okay with her continued over the top scummy pushes on us. If you’re actually town here, you would try to reign her in and stop apologizing for her super scummy push on us.

Pro tip, once we die, guess who’ll be the #1 scumspect? Did you guess you? If you don’t want people to make that kind of association, then call her tf off.

I told ya, I moved our vote off you and she listened.
I'm not going to make her "shut up".

[Thanos]

How are you not scum here, when you keep misrepping us?

What I said, is IF I couldn’t figure out who I scumread, I would vote a PL over a NL.

So if you want this to not be a 1v1, then you can self-vote and get rid of the problem player. But I am not moving off lamees ever until she is lynched. She is scum and therefore you are scum.

How is this a Misrep?

This is pretty concerning.

[Thanos]

You were townreading our slot

When?

~A

[Thanos]

You were townreading our slot

When?

~A

You gonna back your statements up with quotes? Cause I don't think I townread your slot.

[Thanos]

Show me, specifically where I ever began with a townread. I was always scumleaning your slot and even more so now, but the reason I didn't want to VOTE you was because there were other people better at reading your slot, and I reasoned you'd sort yourself over time.

I don't care about my abilities at reading you at the moment. Stop the whole "townread me or you're scum" thing.

~A

[Thanos]

Your unwillingness to commit here is lazy and scummy even if at this point you were right

Are you too lazy to read your own iso? Just because you were noncommital does not mean you did not state the read. lampshading your own flip does not make it better

I was throwing out terribly weak "townleans" really early game, obviously I wouldn't commit to them, that's bad play. I even acknowledged they're weak and subject to change.

The point here being that I was scumleaning you *before* Lamees' cased you, so saying I flipped my read because of her casing to "fit in with the agenda" is incorrect.

~A

[Thanos]

Stop misconstruing a pseudo-RVS weak townlean based on a meh reason, as a townread.

The reason I'm not committal about your slot right now is because I still need to review our interactions and study them further to commit, and as I said, I don't really care for your slot because I think you're self-sorting with time.

As I said, our vote isn't even on you, so stop making this a big deal. I'm gonna stop bloating up this thread here and attempt to scumhunt elsewhere unless anyone else has concerns.

~A

[Thanos]

You also keep scumcasing me every game if I do not townread you immediately which has also gotten quite dull

Don't want to be scumread for being wrong? Then stop expecting me to always townread you when you are unwilling to commit to good reads

There's a difference between "good" and "correct" -- even if my early townlean based on a townslip was "correct", it was nowhere near to "good". No good player commits to those.

You're shifting the goalposts. Also, no, I don't scumcase you because you don't townread me.

~A

[Thanos]

Lamees is either open wolfing or appearing to. You seeming to subtly go along with it by ONLY scumleaning us and not take a stand against her behaviour, is pinging tf out of both of us and we are not okay with her continued over the top scummy pushes on us. If you’re actually town here, you would try to reign her in and stop apologizing for her super scummy push on us.

Pro tip, once we die, guess who’ll be the #1 scumspect? Did you guess you? If you don’t want people to make that kind of association, then call her tf off.

I told ya, I moved our vote off you and she listened.
I'm not going to make her "shut up".

Show me, specifically where I ever began with a townread. I was always scumleaning your slot and even more so now, but the reason I didn't want to VOTE you was because there were other people better at reading your slot, and I reasoned you'd sort yourself over time.

I don't care about my abilities at reading you at the moment. Stop the whole "townread me or you're scum" thing.

~A

What are you trying to show? In the top post I said I moved our vote off you after Lam voted there and Lamees listened, and in the bottom explained why I didn't want to vote for your slot.

~A

[Thanos]

DVa and me are really frustrated with their unwillingness to act townie and have given up beating a dead horse and banging our heads, against a brick wall. \_0_/

What would be "acting townie" on my part, FYPOV, apart from "locktowning" you right now? I've already said our vote isn't on you and I want to scumhunt elsewhere, what more do you want?

~A

[Thanos]

No, that would be your partner.

DVa was saying that *I* scumcase her because she doesn't townread me.

~A

[Thanos]

btw if it makes you feel better, nancy/dva, i you got my vote regarding thanos slot without a doubt in regards to a lynch

Can you explain why you think I'm scum?

[Thanos]

You basically said, we can continue to take more crap from her, which is why we’re not moving our vote.

If "acting townie" is to force Lamees to stop playing the game, and anything else is scummy, then sure, go ahead. I'd rather get out of the game than make Lamees stop playing, considering she's already letting me decide the vote.

~A

[Thanos]

I don't care that I have your vote because I failed to "reign in" Lamees. I already said our vote is elsewhere.

Once we flip, tho, you don't get to say "Oh, they were playing scummy!", What Lam is doing she's done all the time as town. I'd ask the other players to read out interactions post flip and look at the strawmanning that's been going on

~A

Whoops. No. Posted from the wrong tab. Quoting again to make it part of the account I was supposed to post from, apologies.

[Thanos]

Long Post Wall Post
Remember, this whole drewva vs thanos nonsense is simply because I scum read drewva. Can't help what you rolled lol.

Now they are trying to spin it into some weird AtE or something. Anyway it was for posts like this that made my scum read (just some of the reasons, ISO too long):

Not a riddle but you still haven't addressed the wincon for town.

Am I allowed to do this? You wouldn’t be trying to trick me into getting modkilled, would you?

Why mentioned modkilled? This looks like scum panic imo.

@BEF, please ignore me in this game, my surviving brainvells can’t take it.

Usual scummy reaction, trying to weaken someones scum read by insults.

That is definitely extreme for a hydra to be that divergent on a read. I know I am far more likely to see this kind of weirdness in scum teammates than from hydras.

I don't think so, Lam disagrees with me about Ultimate Liars.
I'm taking them out of my town pool, I'll let her explain why she thinks they might be scum.

~A

Hydras having different reads = scum? I dont think so. Scum would be more consulting and careful, so I'd be more aware of hydras that are like that. (just my opinion)


Now to move on to the recent accusations which I found weird:

This line, where is now appealing to emotion/playing the victim:

I don't like this talk about "reigning someone in", if their push on you is bad, call it out with rhetoric.

Lamees wants to piss me off into replacing out, so she can get lynched.

But how can one be so contradicting when this post was made just a few minutes before????

Inb4 rage quit the game again lol. Jk.

@mod this player is talking about an ongoing game and I insist they be force replaced.

How's that for proportion lamees?

So as we can see here, attempted to get me out of the game but claimed it's vice versa. Hmmmmmmm??????? Also I just made a joke, there was no link or mention of on going game. This is just a hint at my meta read from what little exp I have playing with the slot, and also I have been joking around a lot this day 1, especially with the end day thing (yes I know you cannot end the day only the four players).

There are also multiple times where drewva acknowledged/slipped that we (thanos) are town, and has since corrected that after being called out about it. So at least they accept feedback lol.


Anyway I don't think there is much more to say on this, auro likes arguing so he might continue to wall post back and forth with drewva, but I am done since too much accusations of obsession and stuff coming up (WTF LOL). Also don't like seeing thanos vs drewva because every post has my name in it and kinda feels spammmy. So Everyone is free to make their votes and opinions how they want to about thanos vs drewva, I am fine either way and will not call you stupid or rage etc. Town me is 100% ok getting lynched. So we can end day or move on to other more interesting cases.

-lamees

[Thanos]

Attempting to call her out on lying about your own read is just bad. Doubling down when she provides evidence you did in fact townlean her slot is worse. Backing it up when questioned on it initially and then chastising Nancy because it was just an early read is escargot slimey.

Look at the context behind the point -- that I was flipping my read because of Lamees' push to fit the agenda.

That was a weak townlean, something I admitted back then. My progression on her slot was a scumlean before Lamees did make the obvscum attack. This implies that I wasn't flipping my read just because of Lamees making a push on her, doesn't it?

~A

[Thanos]

Are your reads arbitrary and we should just not listen to them anyways?

Weak Pseudo RVS "reads" based off something really small? Yeah, I'd say don't really listen to them. I don't even remember who I threw into the "town pool" from all those people.

I still stand by that I didn't flip just because of Lamees' push as they portray, and was scumleaning before that happened -- I don't think my beginning townlean weighs in here.

What other parts of the interaction felt scummy to you?

~A

[Thanos]

Yo, don’t talk about ongoing games.

Now to move on to the recent accusations which I found weird:

This line, where is now appealing to emotion/playing the victim:
In post 1590, DrewVa wrote:
In post 1582, Thanos wrote:
I don't like this talk about "reigning someone in", if their push on you is bad, call it out with rhetoric.

Lamees wants to piss me off into replacing out, so she can get lynched.


But how can one be so contradicting when this post was made just a few minutes before????
In post 1545, DrewVa wrote:
In post 1543, Thanos wrote:
Inb4 rage quit the game again lol. Jk.


@mod this player is talking about an ongoing game and I insist they be force replaced.

How's that for proportion lamees?


So as we can see here, attempted to get me out of the game but claimed it's vice versa. Hmmmmmmm??????? Also I just made a joke, there was no link or mention of on going game. This is just a hint at my meta read from what little exp I have playing with the slot, and also I have been joking around a lot this day 1, especially with the end day thing (yes I know you cannot end the day only the four players). ~ Auro /Thanos

I didn't write that post, Lamees did, and signed it as well. What's up?

~A

[Thanos]

I.e. his early reads were political. -d

Explain?

[Thanos]

@RCEnigma: I'm not really a fan of my Hydra partner's extremely strong pushes, but I don't want to control her playstyle.
She has done this as town, so I'm saying that behaviour is scum-indicative.

I've been defensive for most part of this 1v1, rather than aggressive -- would you agree?
And I think it was important for me to engage here, given the very strong push on my slot.
At the same time, I think that 1v1 has given me perhaps useful information I can review later.
I'm sorry if it's clutter, but can you see where I'm coming from here?

~A

[Thanos]

I have repeatedly said that my vote isn't even on her and I trust others to sort her better, we do want to scumhunt elsewhere and not bloat up the thread...

~A

[Thanos]

Okay, corrected. Your hydra partner disregarded the mod’s directive, to not continue to discuss ongoing games. If you don’t want to reign her in even when she’s flagrantly breaking the rules, it’s going to bite you. by association.

And I apologize for saying “Auro vomit spew,” it should say, Lamees vomit spew. The fact is your partner is out of control and is scumreading us for personal reasons, because of some non-game related issues with DVa and that’s not okay.

I’m truly sorry, you’re stuck in the middle of this nonsense but you nevertheless are by virtue of hydraing with her.

She says it's informed by personal history and I don't think she referred to any ongoing game; but that's my personal opinion and Lam is happy to discuss it with the mods. *shrug*
Thing is, while she is scumreading you for whatever reasons, our vote isn't on you, so there's a lot of time to hash it out.
There's more to her scumread; but it's irrelevant at the moment. Given that I'm in control of the vote, this is fine, right?
I do feel like we're cluttering up the thread, can we hunt elsewhere for now, Nancy?

~A

[Thanos]

Fine, it’s very trying on one’s patience, when your dealing with one hydra head acting unacceptably and you mistakenly diect that frustration on the wrong head. :/

I've direct experience playing against that head before and can understand the sentiment.
I've seen her keep getting mislynched for it, too, which is why I stress that she does this as town too and isn't scum-indicative.

Now, one thing that bothered me -- Max's last two posts looked a bit like a pocketing attempt to me. What do you think?

~A

[Thanos]

Spoiler:

in other news: i'd totally be down for a thanos lynch

i'm in no way caught up and don't give two fucks to say this.

~M

ok

the nancydrew hydra is town

town will win this

also im going to bed

so good night

i love you all
you are all the best

xoxoxoxoxo

~Max

anyways

im actually caught up now.

reads are all over the place, but will discuss w/ nev and get back to this thread asap.

i have a few townreads so thats a plus!

xoxo

going to bed for real.

~m

btw if it makes you feel better, nancy/dva, i you got my vote regarding thanos slot without a doubt in regards to a lynch. i will get my bff on board because he has my back

So he gauges that we're in a 1v1, and immediately says he's down for a lynch on my slot, and is non-committal. There's another post where he flops on that which I didn't quote. Then he asserts that you're town, and town will win, and then suddenly makes a commitment to the vote -- the language there also seems more pockety than independent. ("You got my vote.. without a doubt")

The lack of consideration that this could be TvT both before and after reading the exchange reads *pocket* to me, hmm I'll keep this in mind for later.

~A

[Thanos]

Something I didn't like about this is that Gamma Emerald and I have actually interacted in reference to one another, not actually any real conversation. So, Gamma finding this strange is even stranger to me. It feels like Gamma is trying to force a relationship between the two of us when there wasn't actually anything that either of us said about each other that was deeper than one of us reading the other as town. I never said anything about Gamma at all, unless you mean me asking Alonzo what his vote was. The closest we have come to speaking was me voting to kill Ramcius and him also voting Ramcius later on.

Tldr; Gamma is trying to force a relationship with me in order to make me guilty by association, an association that never existed, in order to build my wagon.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I don't understand this perfectly.
You're saying Gamma Emerald is trying to force an indirect association between you and GE -- your evidence for this, I presume is the following post:

Spoiler:

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

Yeah it’s suspicious. I think TLK may have freaked out about being suspected in association. Not sure why though because the last time I got that feeling, 1) the person was Town and 2) it was White Flag and this isn’t unless Boon doesn’t think that bears mentioning. So the logic is shaky to start with and the motive is not yet apparent.
As for my team preparing to sacrifice me lol no, if I was the fall guy I’d probably have more traction, and if it were normal voting mechanics I’d be lynched. For a solid example of a game where I was the designated bus go read Mini 1911. That was STRUCTURED.

To summarize this:
Ramcius claims a scum-scum association between GE and TLK;
TLK says there's no association as there's no interaction;
GE says there is an association because GE TR'd TLK;
Ramcius claims it's funny that TLK said that;
GE says it's suspect TLK freaked out about being sussed.

It seems pretty clear Ramcius was wearing a huge tinfoil hat with his allegations, and GE/you both misunderstood what the other meant by "association".
If GE was scum trying to "build an association" with you, why would he be TRing you? Do you really think "Oh Gamma TR'd him and found some part of his play suspect, therefore they're partners lulz" is the conclusion the rest of the players would come to?

I think you're tinfoiling pretty hard here as well.

~A

[Thanos]

@Nev and Max:

I'm assuming your vote is on us; and we are your strongest scumread.
You did seem to develop that suspicion in the course of my DrewVa interactions; can you detail what exactly pinged you as scummy?
Do you disagree with Gamma Emerald that the kind of hydra dissonance my slot exhibited is towny?
What made you "side with" Nancy so blatantly?
I still feel you were pocketing her; a lazy, opportunistic pocket considering you haven't done much else till then.

~A

[Thanos]

Checked Thanos' ISO. Should I be worried when only one head is posting?

Only Auro seems to be actually posting though, maybe not even Auro.

thanos

Explain your progression on your read on my slot, please.
Are you still worried that only one head is mostly posting?
Why should my slot be vigged?

~A

[Thanos]

a lazy, opportunistic pocket considering you haven't done much else since then.

Corrected.

~A

[Thanos]

Spoiler:

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

No, you didn’t. I’m saying he’s not thinking logically. Why wouldn’t scum!me be voting him now?

Scum!you would know if he was scum or not.

That isn’t what I said. I said as scum, fhpov, I should definitely be voting him.

Well, I would consider that possibly as WiFOM. I'm not implying that you are scum based on that post but it is irrelevant if you two are voting for each other or not.

@DrewVa: Why is it a bad assumption to make that scum!you wouldn't vote for Ramcius (or whoever SR'd you)? I don't follow the logic there. If town!you wouldn't vote for him, and scum!you wanted to emulate what town!you would've done, you wouldn't vote him, yeah?

I agree with BEF in that it doesn't matter whether you vote each other or not, but I don't see the vote on you being illogical from this angle.

~A

[Thanos]

Checking in for catchup, bottom of 59.

Davesaz, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current gamestate.

~A

[Thanos]

i just really dont like your slot and things that both you and your partner have said.

Mind telling us what exactly you dislike; so we can talk about it?

~A

[Thanos]

@Thanos why do you think drewva is scum , yet you're not voting?
Who else is scum and who is town?

I'm scumleaning there, but as I've mentioned, it's a sub-optimal lynch as the slot would sort itself as the game progresses.
It's my first large game and the list is too big, it's hard to have any strong and reliable reads. I'm happy with my vote on UL.
I've had townleans on a bunch of slots, I think TLK's post on GE is too silly to have come from scum, so my townlean there strengthens.

I'm getting some weird vibes from RCEnigma, I'll detail my problems with that slot later.
Also beginning to lean scum on Nev&Max -- refusal to engage with a scumread beyond "I don't like your slot" is anti-town.

~A

[Thanos]

Oh, day 1 is still going lol

-lamees

[Thanos]

Can we get a consensus on if we are lynching SS before we end the day?

I don't think so.
-lamees

[Thanos]

I, the great thanos, too, was in a BOONus round.

Had no idea another one took place. DrewVa must then be scum with one or both of the participants in my BOONus round. And that is worrisome because they won and I lost (which is no big deal to me as the prizes werent that great imo). But the worrisome part is that the prizes were SUPER scum beneficial. (They both got to choose one of:

- no night actions work on you
- you can choose a player to setup a neighborhood with
- cant be tracked

Now we know there are three bonus rooms. But drew claimed two. If the mod did infact say there were other gameS as they claim. Then that does not mean there is one other game. That was nothing but a scum slip. I am going to assume there was at least 1 scum in each room.

VOTE: drewva

[Thanos]

Actually no, there is cant be one scum in each room, as that would allow drew to slip 3 rooms not 2. So we can assume it's random.

[Thanos]

Thanos- everything you just said has been covered

I know, just stating my reason for voting. And also those prizes I leaked are important to whoever is cop or tracker out there. Just keep that in mind.

[Thanos]

Thanos- everything you just said has been covered

I know, just stating my reason for voting. And also those prizes I leaked are important to whoever is cop or tracker out there. Just keep that in mind.

So unvote... Lol

Why? Did you read what I just posted.

[Thanos]

Iv just been over the Invite to the boonus round in my confessional thread, no mention of multiple games happening...

We specifically asked and were told there was a second one.

I’m assuming there are two each night. I’m not sure how the players are all selected but yeah, Boon confirmed it in our confessional.

There are probably completely different prizes as well. We weren’t informed about anything other than there was 2 rounds.

[Thanos]

Oh wait, can confirm, there’s at least three rooms. Boon just made mention of other rooms - plural. That obviously means, at least 3.

[Thanos]

If he made mentions of other ROOMS (plural). Howcome you took that as an other ROOM (single).

[Thanos]

I mean, it's the best we got for scum indications atm. Not parking vote there but you can't just ignore things.

[Thanos]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

[Thanos]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

how come

I can't recall the exact wording but one of the prizes was "this prize will cause all night actions to fail" or something like that. I assume a scum taking this prize would be immune to investigations and other role stuff in the game. Not sure though.

[Thanos]

@thanos: are those only for N2? Those seem EXTREMELY powerful if they last the entire game

The room is locked and disappeared now but I think they are permanent. Like for the entire game. Because only the prize with the neighbor specifically said "1 shot"

As in you only get 1 shot to set up a neighborhood and have private communication with a player of your choosing. The other two prizes (immune to night actions and immune to tracking) didn't say 1 shot. So must be permanent.

[Thanos]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

how come

I can't recall the exact wording but one of the prizes was "this prize will cause all night actions to fail" or something like that. I assume a scum taking this prize would be immune to investigations and other role stuff in the game. Not sure though.

Agree with this. I can’t see any town motivation for selecting this. What were the other prizes offered?

-Immune to night actions (night kills still work on you)
-Immune to being tracked
-1 shot neighborhood setup

I guess auro needs to confirm here because I'm running off memory alone

[Thanos]

@thanos: are those only for N2? Those seem EXTREMELY powerful if they last the entire game

The room is locked and disappeared now but I think they are permanent. Like for the entire game. Because only the prize with the neighbor specifically said "1 shot"

As in you only get 1 shot to set up a neighborhood and have private communication with a player of your choosing. The other two prizes (immune to night actions and immune to tracking) didn't say 1 shot. So must be permanent.

No townie would ever pick immune to tracking. You guys got some weirdass prizes. Whoa. I would pick immune to the NK. I wouldn’t want to be immune from anything else.

I think the only prize that only scum would pick in ours is “macho”, for obvious reasons.

It said kills still work. I take that as night kills still kill as well as other means of killing.

[Thanos]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

No faith needed. I think the hidden votes helped a lot. I feel someone unintentionally bussed.

[Thanos]

Wait, BEF faked a result this game? Where? And why lol. Who fakes results...

[Thanos]

@BEF , I don't think the winners of BOONus round are the day reps. Because the two winners of round C are not on the list. Also there's a day 1, how were those chosen? Day 2 reps were probably chosen the same as day 1 reps. Town read you though, attempts at solving the day reps thing seems townie and genuine. I do remember reading that there is a pattern that we'll pick up on how the day reps are chosen. So you MIGHT be right. We'll need more samples to make that conclusion though.

@gamma, why are you trying to hide scum benefit prizes?if I there's a possibility you're immune to tracking and night actions. I definitely need to inform town. Wtf is that green post lol.

@mcqueen, your defense of drewva (who seems to have 3 or 4 votes atm) comes off as scum defending scum. Please don't ask "why would I do that as scum".

[Thanos]

I still would prefer for day 3 reps and boonus round info though. Also, keep in mind that winning a boonus round doesn't mean town alignment.

Boon mentioning that it would become obvious does make me suspect that you are right about how the 4 are selected. So if later we can confirm that your theory is correct, we know ram is confirmes scum. But for now it's too soon and we might lynch town.

[Thanos]

I’ll go with this, yeah there’s another winner. FYI if people start fishing for their identity I’m going to be displeased

Fwiw I never mentioned names and never intended to. I just thought that it's in towns best interest to know about those kind of prize.

Due to POE, others figured out we are in group C together. Besides, the room will get used again with our posts still in there. Different prizes though.

[Thanos]

BEF we're not lynching Ram. Ram is not scum.

~ C

If day 3 and 4 we find his theory is correct, you do know this confirms ram as scum right?

Pedit@ram, if we find out later that his theory is correct, how do you explain that? Or would you rather answer this when we find out if he's right or wrong

[Thanos]

So tomorrow I guess we need players not to be tight lipped about the BOOnus rounds.

[Thanos]

BEF we're not lynching Ram. Ram is not scum.

~ C

If day 3 and 4 we find his theory is correct, you do know this confirms ram as scum right?

Pedit@ram, if we find out later that his theory is correct, how do you explain that? Or would you rather answer this when we find out if he's right or wrong

What's the theory?

~ C

In short:
The four day reps are chosen from the winners of the BOONus rounds. Ramcius is the only one in the four who wasnt even in a BOOnus round (the other 3 won BOOnus rounds). So that hints that the scum used their ability to select one scum player to be on the four day representatives.

We'll need more info from tomorrows boonus round to confirm. But Boon did say that "it would become obvious as the game progresses" on how the 4 day reps are chosen. So this theory isn't exactly a stretch.

[Thanos]

"opportunity to pick one of themselves"

could you highlight the part that precludes using it on someone that isnt themselves?

I don't get what you mean

Can scum nominate anyone of the 23 players or does it have to be scum? Does it specifically say so? I dont think scum would pick non scum as a day rep though, UNLESS, they knew how the day reps are chosen, which is doubtful.

[Thanos]

Day end doesn't have such an effect now, but in a scenario where there are fewer remaining players it's gonna be huge. If scum do well in their bonus games and then use their ability they could control 50 percent or more of the day end vote which would be huge..

This is assuming the BEF theory.

[Thanos]

Like I said, tomorrow we will get more information and samples

[Thanos]

My votes not on ram atm. I think it's still too early to go on that theory. But if we find it to be correct later on, this does make ram highly likely scum.

[Thanos]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Fwiw I never mentioned names and never intended to

Is this one half of the Hydra saying the other half is the one who outed the info?

No, where have I mentioned names?

Sorry. New to hydras. Such a pain lol.

[Thanos]

Room A - alonzo, bef, drewva
Room B - ac, dave, karm
Room C - gamma, thanos, *

[Thanos]

I still would prefer for day 3 reps and boonus round info though. Also, keep in mind that winning a boonus round doesn't mean town alignment.

Boon mentioning that it would become obvious does make me suspect that you are right about how the 4 are selected. So if later we can confirm that your theory is correct, we know ram is confirmes scum. But for now it's too soon and we might lynch town.

So you want us to hold off on lynching someone the mechanics say have a good chance of being scum because he could not be. The cynic in me is screaming that you are his buddy and are trying to save him for a day, maybe so he can use his ability tonight?

Every game has a number of wrong moves built in as safeties. We also gain info from each push, correct or incorrect. Why is this a push that you disagree with specifically?

Missed this. I don't mind lynching ram at all. I meant this post more in a "this isnt a confirmed theory and we shouldnt just wrap up the day thinking we caught scum".

I mean if you read back properly, I was the the one acknowledging the legitness of this theory lol. There were players completely shutting it out and even outright saying ram is town. If you look closely I was trying to prod them and ram to comment more on this so it wouldnt be swept under the rug.

So why do I get labeled as ram's partner?

[Thanos]

Almost missed that if not for mcqueen agreeing with it and pointing it out

[Thanos]

I agree with cheeky dancer's reads/posts, but there might be a chance ram is conf scum in future. Just saying.

[Thanos]

Hello! I'm here. Sorry, was super busy the last few days. Was loose-following some parts of the game on my phone, I'll go read up. Is there anything important for me to specifically look at?

~Auro

[Thanos]

I voted Drewva for how they're reacting to pressure on them around the so called "scum slip" they're more likely to harp on about people being dumb (BEF) when they're scum ime.

Cheeky, apologies if I missed it but - can you link to the relevant scumgame posts where this happens?

While their knowledge of other rooms is NAI to me, their response about Boon confirming it to them in their confessional felt ungenuine. Still, that's a really weak case, so nah. I'll discuss with Lamees more about what other scummy pings she got, if anyone else can recap their reasons for voting that slot it'd be great too.

~Auro

[Thanos]

You guys can quit trying to get PP to conform to your approved style of play. If you took a moment to meta check him or Ari you'd know being a lurk lazy sack is mostly NAI. The amount of activity today from PP says they're town.

I've little meta experience with PP, but I agree with this.
I think ENG is town as well.

~Auro

[Thanos]

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]

I don't get why anyone would've "unintentionally" bussed here, and accusations that DrewVa bussed EFN here are bad. This is very town indicative IMO given the timing of the vote - a whole day before the day ended. I'm pretty sure scum would try to be pushing elsewhere when the wagon on EFN was brewing, so it's useful to scumhunt there.

From these four, at least Alonzo and Cheeky Dancer are strong TRs.

~Auro

[Thanos]

Can anyone explain why Theta Alpine is a bad lynch? Look at their ISO of ten posts -- zero scumhunting, in any sense of it. This, combined with AC's vote on them lend it decent scum equity, right? Am I missing something?

~Auro

[Thanos]

Auro is basically absent. Rage-quit threats are lame.

I've never threatened to ragequit, and a simple profile check would've shown you that I was largely inactive in the whole site. What exactly are you referring to?

~Auro

[Thanos]

Oh RCE scum eh? Hmm.

Ari can explain.

I had an impression that RCE was scum in D1, felt a bit side-snipey and opportunistic but his D2 ISO seems fine, waiting to hear the scumcase on him.

~Auro

[Thanos]

but times where they seem, to me at least (I've never played with either, so if someone wants to meta-correct me, go ahead), are blatantly town. Those times include both heads, btw.

McQueen, could you point out a couple of instances where you thought my slot was "blatantly town"?

~Auro

[Thanos]

I don't mind lynching Theta but I don't see the benefit of lynching a no-info slot over letting a vig shot sort it?

Ah right, yeah a vig shot would be perfect here.
Regarding the scum off wagon, I'll actually go and read the posts towards the end of D1 again - should be a good place to hunt IMO, what do you think? Especially the reactions to Alonzo's case.

I remember there was some talk about McQueen trying to push elsewhere lending him some scum equity, his post TRing me sounds a wee bit white-knightey, but I tend to do that a lot as either alignment so I'm trying to talk to him more about it.

I'm still pretty busy so I can't put in much effort yet, I'll try my best though. Who's your top SR right now?

~Auro

[Thanos]

Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]

Woah. This is interesting. Seems co-ordinated.

~Auro

[Thanos]

Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]

Thanos can you please explain why you left your vote on UL?

UL was a lurkslot, but whatever content did come out of it wasn't towny -- Lam pointed out that one of their early posts (250 I think) comes more often from scum!Kokichi than town. Both these factors combined was enough to be happy with a vote there.

Lamees wanted to vote DrewVa but I didn't, so we didn't place our vote there.

~Auro

[Thanos]

Hmm...Thanos isn't town. Null at best.

Auro is basically absent. Rage-quit threats are lame. Stating that cop innos are not reliable are also lame.

No one threatened to rage quit. I did make a joke/poke fun at someone who rage quits though. My bad. But that was way back.

Stating cop innos are unreliable is pretty obvious if you read why it was stated.

Both these points you bring up prove that you're not even reading the thread properly.

[Thanos]

Every time I read the thread there's a different angle pushed lol. Let's at least try to work together.

[Thanos]

Every time I read the thread there's a different angle pushed lol. Let's at least try to work together.

What's that in reference to?

In case Thanos misses that this was a question...

Not used to large games. Due to the number of players, it makes sense that there're many angles being pushed because everyone will have differing opinions. Not referenced to anything specifically. Just the thread is on a totally different mood every time I catchup.

What's everyone's votes on rn? Are we bringing back the end the day meme?

[Thanos]

I’m having trouble actually caring about what’s going on rn

Mood.

~Auro

[Thanos]

I'm sticking with my vote on RCEnigma btw.

I've gone through your ISO and don't see any explanation.
Why RCEnigma?

~Auro

[Thanos]

I'm voting Something_Smart.
I like McQueen's defenses, generally.

~Auro

[Thanos]

Can anyone make a general case on McQueen?

~Auro

[Thanos]

Oh, I know who it is now.

[Thanos]

VOTE: nev

[Thanos]

Oh no Una is scum

You're terrible with your logic slips as scum Una lmao.

Can you detail the logic slips, please?

~The Mind Stone

[Thanos]

Oh, Mala is Max?
That makes her pocketing attempt on DrewVa look even scummier to me.
Our vote's on Nev&Max, Lamees placed the vote there a couple days ago because she thinks FF is more aggressive/gamesolvey as town.

I support that.

~Auro

[Thanos]

i just really dont like your slot and things that both you and your partner have said.

Mind telling us what exactly you dislike; so we can talk about it?

~A

not at the moment no, but the minute i can trust me i will have words on it

~m

so i'm not really "refusing" to engage. i just can not at the moment, but i will when i can.

-m

@Max

[Thanos]

Something_Smart, who are your biggest scumreads right now? Who are you voting?

~Auro

[Thanos]

Why is there lyrics being posted

[Thanos]

I agree with nero being town.

-lamees

[Thanos]

Why is there lyrics being posted

SPICING IT UP YO

Wow formerfish, didn't know zara larson was your genre

[Thanos]

Una's argument is the only one based on hard facts instead of conjecture. And the one assumption he makes is that scum didn't know their day rep power would be revealed... so if that ends up being right, then Una's case will be way more convincing than any of the others.

If tomorrow's day reps are all/majority from the boonus night games, this basically confirms ram as scum. I dont think there's enough to have ram lynched today though. But we have to acknowledge it's a legit assumption (think it was BEF who first pointed this out)

[Thanos]

I dunno, I dont trust Una.

Didnt you save him from a night kill that one time at boon camp?

Why do you suspect him this time? He seems the same imo.

[Thanos]

Sure was a lot of players on ram. Thought we agreed to wait for more info on the day rep thing. Definitely more than one scum on that wagon.

Lamees

[Thanos]

Just read the BOONus Room C. I don't know what to think at the moment. Right now I'm leaning on TvTvT.

I didn't like Thanos' Night 1 in there, though. I'll re-read it once more, but for now VOTE: Thanos

Are you going to try to build a case on a boonus round game...

[Thanos]

Tbh Thanos seemed very desperate to win the round. Wonder why that was.

Poor. Your agenda is starting to show.

Being competitive in that sort of thing really shouldn't be alignment indicative.

Also if I was "desperate" would I have just recklessly places my vote and not even bother solving the game (as what was done).

I literally had no care for that game.

[Thanos]

did someone let una win a prize

What on earth is this post supposed to be?
Anyone who ends up reading Boonus Room A at any future point should be able to clearly see that I had no selfish agenda last night.
Also wanna play ball with everyone here - apparently some think it's better to not out who won/didn't win, and why.
Why is that?
If Boonus Room B had scum winning the game, their team already knows they won, and WHAT they won.
So why not give the town the same information?
Gives the scum less room later...or am I missing something?

WHY ARE WE THEORIZING ABOUT WHY/WHO GET TO BE DAY-REPS?
Outside of the obvious "scum can choose one day-rep" there's no incentive to do that.
And after D2, I don't think it's worth it to guess how someone became a rep. or not.
It only meant something last gameday, because I'm still arguing that scum couldn't have known that their ability to choose one of themselves was going to be outed.
At least not as soon as it did get outed.

At least one scum in D2 day-reps. I'm not gonna change my view on that even if Ram flipped town.

Also, I have some interesting news I feel like sharing, which could possibly help us. It's regarding the BOONus game.

I'm at this post for now.
Have to work a little, and will catch up tonight.

Yeah, this is why I informed town on day 2 of all the prizes which could really mess town's power roles up. But gamma was very against this preferring his privacy, think about that. Preferring no one to know you won when prizes like:

-immune to night actions
-immune to tracking

[Thanos]

Yoohoo, been out most day, can someone recap the claims?

Nev is FF, Max is Malakitty. Nev&Max are characters from a show Catfish - and Mala /outs just before the Hydra /ins, she's definitely Malakittens.

~Auro

[Thanos]

Yeah. The "fish" from Catfish. Malakittens be the "cat".

[Thanos]

UnaBombah, if you can, a small summary of D2 so far? I'm still busy