BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[Thanos]

If you remember from boonus round C, there was a supersaint in that game. So this gives some credibility to TLKs claim imo, since he claimed before that night game took place.

[Thanos]

Room C round 1*

[Thanos]

DVa, are you voting for Something_Smart or the Supersaint?
I was voting TLK earlier but Lamees thinks the claim is legit.
I'm townreading that slot; I think I'll just sheep them for now since I'm not into the game too much myself.

~A

[Thanos]

I agree, a scumread Supersaint slot needs to resolve.
It seems like we balance that by governing another scumread slot to hammer TLK. As long as we all accept this strategy and majority vote the hammerer, *not* hammering then becomes a scumclaim.

Profii, you're equating the worst cases - and even then, you miss that if we happen to vote for scum to hammer and they don't, we simply lynch them tomorrow. It seems like TLK minus the claim is scumread - can someone rehash the case on him?

Pedit: Can someone summarize the fruit argument on TLK?

~Auro

[Thanos]

I missed the earlier parts, who claimed to send whom fruit and what did TLK say, and what did PP say?

~Auro

[Thanos]

I've been lurking a lot and I apologise; I'll try to get into the game more.

~A

[Thanos]

add to it that SS received sticky fruit that profii claims he didnt send to him

When you say SS do you mean Something_Smart or SuperSaint?

[Thanos]

Right. So the running theory is that TLK lied about having received the fruit when PP hinted at it?

Why would scum choose to lie about this? I just checked and Sticky Fruit can successfully handed to scum as well; I'd think they would lie if Fruit could only be given to town or something like that.

~A

[Thanos]

So you're saying scum redirected fruit into a scum slot (TLK); and TLK correctly has the sticky fruit and isn't lying about that. Premise being that scum are more likely to redirect fruit into their hands over any other random townie; am I correct?

Profii is mechanically town, since there's exactly one Book Bank role and no one's counterclaiming, right?

~Auro

[Thanos]

Oh Profii claimed just Fruit Vendor and not SFV?
Right, seems good. Why is PP town?

~Auro

[Thanos]

I'm on S_S too ATM.

[Thanos]

[vote] Something_Smart[/vote

~Auro

[Thanos]

VOTE: Something_Smart, sorry

Didn't he scumclaim by not hammering the Supersaint?

[Thanos]

Nope, Something_Smart was supposed to be; he said Elsa should be second to last, agreed to be the hammer, said he had his vote down, and didn't vote.

I see you were trying to shift a wagon onto Davesaz towards the end? Lul, Something_Smart is scum, and I bet you're buddies with him, and that makes Dave town.

[Thanos]

If TLK is going to be the lynch I'm fine with hammering him if that's what people want.

If S_S is claiming PR after this post, burn it with fire.

Gee it's almost as if WIFOM is a thing.

SS was online today, why has he not said he put a hammer vote on here?

-d

Vote is down now.

And he voted for Elsa? How is this not scum indicative? Enlighten me, DVa

[Thanos]

EJ or SS?

We vigged Elsa and somehow, he is still alive.

Yes, you think this incriminates him as scum necessarily? Explain?

[Thanos]

I unvoted and voted again like you told me too, but sadly a fatal error was made because I unvoted and revoted in the same post: it cancelled each other out and didn't count as a new vote.

@mod, if I unvote and vote in the same post, does the timestamp change?

[Thanos]

I unvoted and voted again like you told me too, but sadly a fatal error was made because I unvoted and revoted in the same post: it cancelled each other out and didn't count as a new vote.

@mod, if I unvote and vote in the same post, does the timestamp change?

Everyone should check their votes in confessional and see if your time stamp was updated. I never unvoted and voted in the same post.

I never unvoted and revoted the same person. I think mod can confirm this safely, and if it does change; Elsa's lying and I'll vote her.

[Thanos]

I'd rather lynch S_S TBH, I just remembered he voted Elsa -- do you think they could be SvS?

[Thanos]

It obviously should IMO; however, I have a feeling that scum might be trying to drive an EJ wagon to prevent a Something_Smart lynch today. Since we can confirm the revoting thing today, I want to lynch SS instead.

[Thanos]

It obviously should IMO; however, I have a feeling that scum might be trying to drive an EJ wagon to prevent a Something_Smart lynch today. Since we can confirm the revoting thing today, I want to lynch SS instead.

I was in the boonus round with SS and I said nothing would make me buy his story but with the no kill I kind of buy it unless SS and drewva are both scum together and I'll explain why when I get a chance.

Could you tell us his story? Or you'll tell later?

[Thanos]

No, they have to give you both. We found that out when we kept the vig but tried to give the +1 to Nero. Boon said we either keep both or gift both

I think one person can't gift two people but two people can gift one person

[Thanos]

Una probscum why?

[Thanos]

I don't have weak.

[Thanos]

Weak in wiki says they die if they target someone not pro-town. Not different alignment. Is it different in Boon games?

[Thanos]

@Dva: Would you want to activate people who are necessarily town? If that's what's required for a plan, I have something to say

[Thanos]

I can confirm myself as town to anyone through my night action

[Thanos]

I shouldn't out who I'll target because scum could kill them and leave me unconfirmed.

[Thanos]

Hey, my slot lost the first Boonus round, Nero and Gamma won.

[Thanos]

If you've been noting the claims and claimed targets as well, could you maintain them with that list? thanks.

[Thanos]

Room A - alonzo, bef, drewva
Room B - ac, dave, karm
Room C - gamma, thanos, *

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

how come

I can't recall the exact wording but one of the prizes was "this prize will cause all night actions to fail" or something like that. I assume a scum taking this prize would be immune to investigations and other role stuff in the game. Not sure though.

Agree with this. I can’t see any town motivation for selecting this. What were the other prizes offered?

-Immune to night actions (night kills still work on you)
-Immune to being tracked
-1 shot neighborhood setup

I guess auro needs to confirm here because I'm running off memory alone

[Thanos]

These were the prizes AFAIR, not just Ascetic. Where did you get that info, Jingle?

[Thanos]

I was in that room. Sloppy, Nev was taking some time to confirm with Max about what to do, but didn't make a move in time.

I already had a vote on me, Nev could've easily just voted to get a prize tho

[Thanos]

a) yes elsa lied about the unvote and the timestamp talk was all complete bullshit

I suppose scum!Elsa knew SS wasn't hammering, hence avoided being the penultimate vote as well.

This is today's lynch, then, right? Any chance of this being a case of "Elsa is Elsa"?

[Thanos]

Stalling from winning the prize? One reason I can think of is that they didn't want Davesaz to get the prize, since Dave said in the thread it would help scumhunt.

Which also makes me feel that if Dave was town and N&M were scum, wouldn't they have NK'd Dave instead? Or is that too obvious?

In any case I think their minigame behavior was NAI

[Thanos]

Who all claimed Disloyal results on Elsa? If Elsa was JK'd by SS, any actions would be blocked, right?

[Thanos]

Elsa plays to a survivor wincon though.

[Thanos]

1. Lam said she'll start putting more effort into the game.
2. Yeah obvtowning involves putting in effort and I feel sorta lost here, especially with nearly 300 pages of content so far.
3. Oh I should be town cleared by now -- I'm a 1-shot friendly neighbor, and I targeted a slot I'm townreading heavily. Barring the case where they're scum, it should be a townclear for me. Should I out who I targeted?
4. Nah, I didn't need extra charges - but I was saying that the +1 would help me confirm in worst case (targeting scum, which means I get one more chance). I believe N&M simply missed the deadline, we weren't posting all that much.

Also, as I said before, Elsa being JK'd would explain the disloyal blocked results, right?

[Thanos]

Has it become obvious to anyone about the day rep selection yet?

[Thanos]

People keep questioning my alignment, I'll get pissed off and Boon will be finding a replacement. Shut the fuck up already, I'm town and there is no possible question about it.

[Thanos]

Started with one, as I said.

[Thanos]

I haven't intimated anything.

Go do some yoga and calm down.

Ahh yes, the old say some wild shit and then act like the guy responding is crazy act. I love this gaslighting

It's not gaslighting.

I gave him a list, he gave two suspects, and you jumped to a conclusion.

More relevant to actually solving the game, who do you think is scum out of that list?

Asking why I haven't questioned his read, and then telling me to go do some yoga when I implore him to put whatever info he's claiming to have is what I'm claiming is gaslighting.

As far as your list:

Profii and Gamma ping me the hardest. Nero is close behind. I think mala is reading thanos as scummy, and with the way Lamees talks to me/about me I can see that.

Ok but why would mala scum read someone who is confirmed town? Is Malakitty still sick or something

[Thanos]

@Nev/Max let us know when mala is feeling healthy so we can cast vote.

[Thanos]

@Nev/Max let us know when mala is feeling healthy so we can cast vote.

I looked back, that was an old read, we just dont have many posts in our confessional so it felt more relevant.

You do what you need to do, Ive been fine playing on my own with her flitting in and out when she can.

I'm kidding.

Anyway I think now that we know 1 of the day rep is random. The rest is probably winners of the Boonus rounds and/or scum planted. That should get us 1 more easy scum lynch.

[Thanos]

Anyway I think now that we know 1 of the day rep is random. The rest is probably winners of the Boonus rounds and/or scum planted. That should get us 1 more easy scum lynch.

Faulty logic. It's confirmed that scum can put someone onto the day rep list. Given that the whole reasoning for the Ram push was based on that from the conversation around it, I suspect scum is likely ignoring that function or attempting to use it to frame town.

Yeah but Ram was pushed way too early. I was all for getting more info, look at the Ram wagon, don't think I was on there.

Now we have more info. Ram was the random slot. We know that now.

[Thanos]

xtom doesnt have a reason to lie about that unless you guys are both scum, and I dont see that happening.

I looked at who repeats in the day reps of the last 2 days, where i think scum would be more likely to interject them, and PP is the only repeat.

Can scum put a town player on?

[Thanos]

@Jingle how do you know what happened to Ramcius btw. Did you actually read the entire thread

[Thanos]

I haven't intimated anything.

Go do some yoga and calm down.

Ahh yes, the old say some wild shit and then act like the guy responding is crazy act. I love this gaslighting

It's not gaslighting.

I gave him a list, he gave two suspects, and you jumped to a conclusion.

More relevant to actually solving the game, who do you think is scum out of that list?

Asking why I haven't questioned his read, and then telling me to go do some yoga when I implore him to put whatever info he's claiming to have is what I'm claiming is gaslighting.

As far as your list:

Profii and Gamma ping me the hardest. Nero is close behind. I think mala is reading thanos as scummy, and with the way Lamees talks to me/about me I can see that.

Ok but why would mala scum read someone who is confirmed town? Is Malakitty still sick or something

Are you currently townreading N & M?

No, but not a strong scum read. Maybe null slight scum lean

[Thanos]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

This says they can pick a teammate, not that they can't pick not a teammate. Boon definitely strikes me as someone who would tell the truth while implying a lie.

Are you serious

[Thanos]

Oh and I don’t know if DVa has done this or not, since I have not been reading the thread, partially due to a hangover,

Anyway.

Actuvate: [Thanos]

What does this mean? Are you voting thanos

[Thanos]

Nice

[Thanos]

I'm just gonna sheep D btw, where are you voting?

[Thanos]

Jay still salty?

Yeah I read through the pages and I'm willing to give N&M the benefit of the doubt -- does scum really adopt a "didn't use charges, doctor" fakeclaim? Given the pressure on them, this would be the worst kinda fakeclaim for scum to make, no?

You think Jingle is a good lunch for his Xtoxm push alone? And BEF just seems like he's being BEF, to be honest. I don't see his obsession with dayreps as scummy.

You, Xtoxm, RCE all seem town to me - how confident are you in your PP townread? Do you have any other strong TRs? Creature claiming an inno on me I don't think is AI, since I'm already virtually conftown.

~A

[Thanos]

Lam use the Hydra account! "No" you mean Nancy? O. O

[Thanos]

Oh, "no one" nevermind. Any reads?

[Thanos]

Oh hi guys. Was about to wall post about a previous game but nvm that. Don't wanna embarrass someone.

Anyone have an idea on how many scum left

[Thanos]

Drew, thoughts on Una?
Gut tells me scum.

-Calvin

[Thanos]

Explain why Una is town.

[Thanos]

Stupid question: what would a disloyal action on an Ascetic return?

[Thanos]

So Creature:
N2 targeted EJ
N3 targeted Una
N4 targeted me

And got "no result" all the time?
Btw, Nancy what's your Creature read here?

[Thanos]

I too dislike Una's pushes on the DayRep theory. Seems pretty useless for scum especially after Boon announced it.

I think a full massclaim should help, as Jingle said, lock down more scum.

[Thanos]

I feel like there is still a level of players above me who just talk in this other language and I get lost.

I can relate, bruh.

:3

[Thanos]

Nev, if you were a doctor, why would you have to speak to Max about taking the Boonus prize? It seems really obvious that winning the +1 is a good thing for a doc.

[Thanos]

So since BEF's proven as SFV, Drew as Activator - we're lynching Profii today?

[Thanos]

I mentioned it to Max in our confessional and then passed out. Max replied thinking it wouldnt work anyways, but it was already too late.

Why didn't Max think it would work?

[Thanos]

She didnt think Boon would allow us to use the same ability twice. That was the ultimate endgame i had in mind, that with that combo we could use 2 protects in 1 night.

See, why I'm finding this hard to believe is, even without multitasking the extra charge in itself is really useful since you get to protect someone another day.

[Thanos]

what we have not seen is any evidence whatsoever that his inventor claim is real

We basically need profii to check in here

We want Profii to claim his inventor targets and what he sent, right?

[Thanos]

The 3rd could have voted themselves to ensure that town got the prizes...

I'm the third, and I would've if Dave had asserted it was important - I had you in my scumreads, and I'm not finding your explanation now redeeming.

[Thanos]

Jingle, we should also add number of remaining shots and existing modifiers to the claim list. If I have time I'll attempt to do that myself, but if you could fill it up from memory it'll be helpful

[Thanos]

So lets imagine a world where what I am saying is true. As scum why do I not win that and take multitasking for my own fucking use without saying shit about what I did?

I'm also inclined to agree with this: I was struggling to find scum motivation in what they did apart from WIFOM, but the benefits of WIFOMing in this situation are nowhere near the benefits they could reap by simply taking the prize.

[Thanos]

Could be bad scum play too

[Thanos]

And to be perfectly clear, I never approve shade directed at RL. I wouldn't lie about that and I wouldn't expect anyone else to, and jumping someone over it is crass.

I'm not shading them on RL stuff though. I'm trying to gauge the consistency of their play.

[Thanos]

Was it newbie 1871 by chance?

I remember my play with town!FF in Newbie 1888, he was pretty absent and also "complainy" about being scumread, much like here.

[Thanos]

Gamma - PP - Nero - Creature - Davesaz

How I'd prefer the claim order to be, but I'd like to hear Dave's opinions on Profii/BEF and if we're lynching within those two today.

[Thanos]

Was it newbie 1871 by chance?

I remember my play with town!FF in Newbie 1888, he was pretty absent and also "complainy" about being scumread, much like here.

Ate a n1 kill as vanilla, I was happy with that game.

Oh I meant 1898*, sorry. I was scum there.

[Thanos]

DVa, are we sorting between Profii and BEF today?

[Thanos]

The other stuff about being unsure about whether to take the modifier is something I agree with, a doc should always at a minimum try to grab the +1 and deal with whichever modifier is least damaging. So the reason for waiting to vote is questionable as explained.

The alternate explanation is, they were scum with a not-so-useful role and suspected you had some form of investigative, and didn't want you to win.

I doubt scum!them would blatantly take the prize and proceed to NK you, cause they'd be pushed really heavy today.

[Thanos]

Noob question #2: "Variant" roles refer to unlisted ones, right?

[Thanos]

Page 1 says we can have one Boon Bank role and two variants; so BEF is the boon bank one, Profii and DrewVa are variants.

BEF targeted Profii and Profii received fruit N1.
Who did Profii attempt to send fruit to, N2?

[Thanos]

Yes, I know that. So since Profii confirmed he didn't send it to TLK, either he's lying or there is necessarily a redirector which is a variant role, therefore making one of you three a liar.

[Thanos]

True. Profii seems like a logical lynch today then, do you feel the same @BEF?

@Jingle: We all start out with one shot. He didn't win the Boonus, right? So you'd need someone to have gifted him a +1 for him to have done that.

[Thanos]

Or, alternatively BEF had another shot and used it night two on TLK.

Also Profii's target would confirm they got the Sticky Fruit in this case.

[Thanos]

do you think BEF was not aware he would be guaranteeing his own death tomorrow if profii flipped scum? I mean he clearly never realized that a redirector would have to be a variant role and thus he's been cross-claimed with profii ever since we hardclaimed variant as well, apparently unknowingly?

Then who'd be the Boon Bank role?

[Thanos]

Hmm, N&M seem to have slid away now.

[Thanos]

N&M is probably silver by massclaim. It’s not worth fighting until then.

You mean a lack of counterclaimed protectives solves them? Cool.

[Thanos]

I held the sticky fruit day 2 according to my confessional.

Wait, so when did you send it? And to whom again?

[Thanos]

So, then nothing’s changed so why is DVa voting you? *confused*

Profii sent PP StickyFruit N2 but PP didn't get it whereas TLK claims to have, which implies the existence of a redirector. Only 2 variant + 1 boon bank role is possible, and you, BEF, Profii's claims fit these. A redirector would also be a variant, and its existence implies one of you three is lying. *shrug* this is what I understood, anyway.

I'm considering TLK may have confused fruit with SF, have to check.

[Thanos]

Also RCE claiming a Vanilla result on Una and retracting it later citing "mod error" feels fishy.

[Thanos]

Correcting your claim, over lynching Una over the contradiction?
Una lynch means you're lynched next when Una flips named townie.
Correcting it seems like the right thing to do for scum who falsely guessed he was Vanilla.

[Thanos]

Also Drew what's your Gamma read?

[Thanos]

So what even is your scumpool, D? I feel like you're townreading a lot of slots.

[Thanos]

When you claimed him Vanilla, you weren't expecting to lynch him obviously - you were just making up your result; and when he claimed named townie the safer move would be to retract the Vanilla result claim.

Una saying he's a named townie contradicting your claim and you sticking to it means one of you gets lynched.

[Thanos]

Towncred? There's no reason for scum *not* to fakeclaim early, now, is there?

[Thanos]

So I think I correctly detailed scum motivation in retracting the claim over pushing Una over the contradiction, especially since you admit Una would be hard to lynch; and also questioned why claiming early is necessarily town indicative.

Sudoku time?

[Thanos]

No, I mean if you didn't retract it Una would still be hard to lynch.
Why would hard townreading Una have anything to do with that?
Retracting the claim was beneficial for scum!you; cause not doing so would get you killed.

[Thanos]

Because I would be actively initiating a 1v1 with my hard townread which is ?????

I'm just going to assume you think I'm bad scum and move on.

I feel we're misunderstanding each other.
Exactly, initiating a 1v1 with a hard townread is a bad move.
Retracting your claim and NOT initiating a 1v1 is a good move.
You're asking why you wouldn't retract it. But retracting is the better move.

[Thanos]

Only if you're not actually an activator. So no.

VOTE: BEF

If the dichotomy is because one of them lied about their role, then why BEF? His SFV role is confirmed, no?

[Thanos]

Creature received loud and targeted someone, they should be able to verify right?

[Thanos]

Oh yeah, he targeted me lol. Checked PMs and there's nothing. He can't be loud.

[Thanos]

So this makes BEF scum? Wait how exactly again?

[Thanos]

I then went creature -> Loud - he said something about probably being a PR so I figured it made sense to make him more checkable - there was a discussion between me and someone (McQueen?) as I said to creature 'you're basically PR claiming' and he chastised me for it but it seemed like a good way to crumb I am going to do that

Waiiiit a minute. This was done on a previous night to Creature's action on me - does this imply one of Creature and Profii are lying?

[Thanos]

Yeah, hmm.

[Thanos]

Oh yeah, he targeted me lol. Checked PMs and there's nothing. He can't be loud.

If Creat is trueclaiming he's disloyal. Thus if you are town he wouldn't have succeeded with an action on you if he was town and you wouldn't have received loud notifications.

Oh right, of course. His action would fail.

[Thanos]

Yeah, it was a tasty fruit. But it left a tacky residue on my palms...

Indicates sticky fruit.

[Thanos]

DrewVa was strongly advocating me as a big town read of theirs, so if I am scum, why do i kill them when Bef is going to get mislynched anyway - i'll let someone else make sense of that.

BEF ML guarantees you get lynched, DrewVa would've certainly not hesitated to Lynch you once BEF flipped.

As to why they were shot - the usual? They were townread widely, also solving the game.

[Thanos]

So I guess Nev is legitimately the only Town Protective in this basically role madness. Sigh.

You're looking more and more like scum the more people flip green .

What's the case on EJ?

[Thanos]

the actual thing going on is PP said he was going to target 1 of 3, one of whom was scum, so PP had to die in case he did target the scum in the 3 -> Jingle

Why not N&M? You're town on them because they're the only claimed protective so far?

[Thanos]

Also RCE claiming a Vanilla result on Una and retracting it later citing "mod error" feels fishy.

Bringing this up again.

[Thanos]

No Una, you don't have a quack.

In addition, I'm a bunyip. Essentially a Neapolitan. Una was my night 2 check, Vanilla. Elsa actively attempted a counterwagon to flippynips day 1 off the back of AC's read.

I considered scum bussing a less important role than rolecop (in this case it would be mafia goon) however I don't believe the claimed traitor/Miller would be the one leading the bussed wagon, towncred doesn't do anything for that slot.

Una this is why I know you haven't quacked but I townread you for trying to catch creature out with it anyway.

Well...putting my foot in my mouth now, my result on Una was in fact incorrect....

Boon corrected it in my confessional before I claimed. Literally right before but I didn't check it till he pmed me. I don't know of j can say that but I said it.

You guys buy this excuse?

[Thanos]

Who's townreading N&M and why?
D3 they were all up for lynching TLK, but when town wanted Smart to hammer they flail-attacked Dave and tried to shift a lynch towards that at the end.
Also in D4 they were heavily arguing for an EJ lynch.

[Thanos]

given retraction was before the una claim I"m leaning NAI.

No, retraction was after Una claimed he's not Vanilla.

Still trying to think of any specific scum motivation, but I think he did it just to legitimize his claim if he sussed Una was Vanilla based on other reasons. But I don't know why scum would make that guess, so I'm prolly wrong about this.

[Thanos]

D3 they were all up for lynching TLK, but when town wanted Smart to hammer they flail-attacked Dave and tried to shift a lynch towards that at the end.
Also in D4 they were heavily arguing for an EJ lynch.

You see them doing all this as town? Towncase their recent day play?

[Thanos]

for clarification, they retracted the expected doc claim on PP to say they holstered and were gunna doc PP the next night. Logically that was attempt to make scum shoot not PP the next night. Why have PP doc claim if you know PP gonna die? Why kill PP if you claim youre gonna doc him? Seems bad, seems not scum.

I think I'm not understanding ya here.

Kill PP because loyal PP was sending fruit to one of you, N&M and Xtoxm. Why is that a bad move if one of you is scum?

[Thanos]

Xtoxm already claimed he got it, and while it doesn't confirm him it makes him likely town. If he was scum and one of you three was town, there's a chance you might have correctly claimed to have gotten it; so as scum bluffing he's risking a 1v1.

Treat Xtoxm as probtown now.

Pedit: I agree not killing PP is a bad move, but they did do that. Can you quote the posts where they claimed to doc him and retracted it?

[Thanos]

I thought there were three remaining.

I'm kinda lost, thinking I shouldn't have signed up for a game this large. I hard townread DrewVa and decided I'd just sheep them, but then scum shot them so I'm motivated more now instead of replace out.

Nothing solid yet except I feel N&M is scum.

[Thanos]

It's a mini now. start from scratch, using mechanical shit to narrow down.

Yeah I'll put in a lot more effort going on

[Thanos]

Emperor flippyNips: - Alonzo, DrewVa, Xtoxm, Cheeky Dancer
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon, Emperors New Groove, Ramcius
UnaSlot[3]: - Almost Chara, Elsa Jay, The Last Knight
JingleSlot[2]: - davesaz, Thanos
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen, Something_Smart
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - JingleSlot, BrightEyedFish
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max
RCEnigma [1]: - UnaSlot
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii


D1 VC for reference.

[Thanos]

Accidentally greened Xtoxm but whatever.

[Thanos]

Did you get fruit from PP?

[Thanos]

EJ is a scum traitor with no special modifiers, meaning Creat/dave/drewva/xtoxm were all stopped by an independent source or are lying AND has been claimed to have received the Weak modifier.

EJ is town who lies compulsively and plays like a survivor regardless of role PM.

@Jingle: What's the deal with Jay? I think the universe where Jay is lying and is scum Ascetic/Commuter is more probable than an independent source stopping all of them, no?

[Thanos]

I'm not really understanding why there's talk of lynching Pofii so someone needs to explain that to me real slow.

Where were you when the mechanical 1v1 between Profii and BEF happened? Like it's right in this page, post 9616 - thoughts?

[Thanos]

Sure - I think it's far, far more likely than not that TLK *did* receive SF. He explicitly mentioned "residue" in his first post acknowledging.
Do you have *any* other explanation for it, apart from TLK messing up his claim?

[Thanos]

I'm voting Profii, just end the day please

[Thanos]

Oh I can vote to end the day, sweet

VOTE: End The Day

[Thanos]

I'm here.
So we're 7v2 now, cool.

I don't mind lynching Jay.

[Thanos]

Shit -- I completely forgot about this game, and didn't FN. I have the shot and also a neighborize. I'll use it today.

[Thanos]

I'll catch up with the game in a bit.

[Thanos]

Wasn't following re: the plan and why X is caught scum. Can you ELI5, Nev?

[Thanos]

Cause Una was weak and he died targeting X?

[Thanos]

Okay, so Una was weak and died targeting X, and N&M's protect on Una failed. There are three deaths, which suggests this was indeed because of Una's weak property.

Elsa Jay also claims to have been roleblocked by Xtoxm since he failed to neighborize NC.

RCE says he got neighborized by Xtoxm -> ?

[Thanos]

Nev, you around?

[Thanos]

Auro, and to make sense of things.

[Thanos]

Is there a possibility Elsa was lying, Una was NK'd to frame X?

[Thanos]

Cause last night's plan is that EJ and Una are masonizers tonight and we dictate their targets, meaning a presumable hard town result. N&M has a doctor shot left, so that's potentially 2 hard town results. I'm gonna be unprotected, so hopefully scum kills me because I'm unlynchable at this point. If I'm right and X flips scum that's 4 potential hard town results from masonizing, because only one scum remains.

My vague thought would be EJ on Nero and Una on you. Dave has >rand scum equity from role, but the fact that his role has potential use for us means we leave him alone for today, he investigates N&M.

Tomorrow, Dave if dave has a result on N&M it's a 1v1. Thanos is probably still town even if X is scum, but I think he has another shot so he should pick someone who isn't likely to die from his PoV to target. I'd pick one of the masonizer targets.

This means there's a town result or implication on every player but me. And if you want to lynch me at this point your name is Nero

Bringing the plan here.
Dave disloyal
Una weak
Elsa Jay weak

Right? How did Jay get weak?

[Thanos]

Elsa got weak from una or jingle.

Need to verify this. To make sure Jay is confirmed weak.

[Thanos]

Scum motivation in Xtoxm neighboring RCE?
Ohh, the explanation is that RCE is scum trying to cover for Xtoxm by saying that Ctoxm used an action, because if X used his roleblock he wouldn't be able to neighborize Jay as planned... Right?

[Thanos]

Elsa got weak from una or jingle.

Need to verify this. To make sure Jay is confirmed weak.

Dude, its verified.

Sorry, just personal paranoia of being strung along while I'm careless.

[Thanos]

I meant verify by going back and affirming the post.

[Thanos]

Xtox was supposed to hood jingle to test alignment.
Xtox "hooded" RCE instead.
Elsa claimed to be blocked, and the only one who could do that is Xtox. Unless Xtox got a multitask at some point the rcehood should have been Toxs 1 action last nigjt.

Yeah, but why would X hood RCE?
Jingle died so there's no way of proving that X didn't neighborize Jingle.

How would X targeting Jingle test alignment btw?

[Thanos]

I meant verify by going back and affirming the post.

Like reposting it so you can see that one of them claimed to have sent a weak mod to elsa?

Yeah that way. I'll dig back later I suppose.

[Thanos]

Yeah scum!Elsa makes sense for now, have to confirm if it holds.

[Thanos]

I wanna! Una's explained away. Did Dave or Jingle have a weak modifier?

[Thanos]

It's a possibility, but is there no other reason we can think of?

[Thanos]

I keep getting stuck on why xtox wouldnt have blocked una, therefore muddying the read there.

Also why hood RCE if he didnt have multitask.

Una was dying anyway if he targeted X, no?
Jay would've confirmed Nero if the shot went through.

[Thanos]

I keep getting stuck on why xtox wouldnt have blocked una, therefore muddying the read there.

Also why hood RCE if he didnt have multitask.

Una was dying anyway if he targeted X, no?
Jay would've confirmed Nero if the shot went through.

So you have Elsa as town? Who do you have as toxs partner?

No no I don't. Correct me but this looks like a 1v1 between RCE and Elsa?

[Thanos]

Hmm. You think xtoxm had to pick one to go through and block the other? Why would he prioritize making sure Nero wasn't confirmed over him being confirmed scum?

Xtox could argue that una dying was the scum kill and done to frame them as unas hood would never have gone through.

Weve already seen other hoods get started and then the person dies, those were scum kills. This hood never got started, not a scum kill.

But then there's TWO other kills that have to be explained.

[Thanos]

Una was made weak by jingle and Elsa was made weak by Una. I think the team is just xtoxm/Elsa tbh. I think following the plan resulted in a scum loss last night and this is last ditch to pull something out. Xtoxm is going down via Una regardless of what Xtoxms partner does so claiming roleblocked is an easy buss.

So elsa couldnt hood nero because she would die as weak? Claims blocked and busses the shit out of her partner to get more town cred?>

Yes, is that a stretch?

Why would X target someone else if this was the plan?

[Thanos]

Oh nevermind, to frame them.

[Thanos]

On it.

Real funny if Jay+RC is somehow the scumteam and there's some really weird explanation for everything.

Wait. Shit. They could both be lying, no? But then we'd have to explain the Una kill along with two other NKs.

I'd lol with sadness.

Sigh

[Thanos]

Yeah, of course *I* survive.

[Thanos]

@Mod, if Lamees hasn't responded to your unfriendly prod yet, can I just post from my main?

[Thanos]

Today is about the 1v1 between you two.

Jay, would you help me see RCE scum?

[Thanos]

Vice-verse for RCE. Show me why I gotta vote Elsa.

[Thanos]

Also, we can no lynch today right? I intend to use as much time as possible sorting.

[Thanos]

I don't think you have to if we can sort the boonus rooms out.

I think there could've been only one - but I'll wait.

[Thanos]

Wasn't it a 1v1 between you and Elsa, RCE?

[Thanos]

Fwiw I don't think Elsa kills nev.

Or maybe zeroing in on me was the setup for it idk.

(Sorry if I'm dumb)

Elsa is confirmed weak, right?
Won't that not let her perform kills too?

[Thanos]

Who'd Thanos send his FN to?

I'd like them to confirm.

[Thanos]

Fwiw I don't think Elsa kills nev.

Or maybe zeroing in on me was the setup for it idk.

(Sorry if I'm dumb)

Elsa is confirmed weak, right?
Won't that not let her perform kills too?

Nevermind.

[Thanos]

EJ Neighborize NC Didn't go through?
Una Neighborize X Una died
X Neighborize Me X hooded RCE instead?
Dave track N&M Killed
N&M doc EJ OR Una Action confirmed, target still dead
Thanos, if he has a shot remaining, targets RCE.

RCE, Nero, I don't have actions.

Ill bring this here too.

Requoting

[Thanos]

I've been sitting on a charge, Nero is vanilla. I was told Thanos is town but I'm not entirely sure why? Not that it changes anything.

Yeah, I targeted you.

-Your Friendly Neighbourhood Spiderman Thanos

[Thanos]

I am confirmed town.

[Thanos]

What lol

Elsa can kill, weak means you only can't target scum.

[Thanos]

I checked the wiki.
Jingle would've accounted for it in his plan if that was the case.

[Thanos]

Nero was made Ascetic?

Elsa, this is a possibility, no?

[Thanos]

I was all on board with Nero yesterday but then you fucked up and said you got Neighbor'd with Xtoxm the same night I got roleblocked.

I frankly don't see why you'd claim the Neighborhood unless you planned on lynching me with Xtoxm but forgot Jingle left the list of actions.

Nero gets Ascetic somehow so you can't Neighborize him; Xtox uses a neighborhood shot on RCE.

[Thanos]

If I was ascetic RCE couldn't have a vanilla result on me.

Interesting - that RCE counts it in his list of possibilities then.

[Thanos]

Wouldn't you KNOW he's not ascetic? Like that scenario should be COMPLETELY ruled out.