BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[BrightEyedFish]

What have I gotten myself into...

[BrightEyedFish]

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

Now that I've read through the rules, SK is in the pool of roles so. ????

And if there’s an SK in the setup, they are just as likely to have read the sample role PM as not.

So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Sorry.

What do you mean with "if"?

[BrightEyedFish]

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

Now that I've read through the rules, SK is in the pool of roles so. ????

And if there’s an SK in the setup, they are just as likely to have read the sample role PM as not.

So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Sorry.

What do you mean with "if"?

???

What part of that do you not understand?

Why did you use the word "If" as if you are just guessing what a Town Role PM says.

[BrightEyedFish]

SLIP-a-dee-doo-dah, SLIP-a-dee-ay
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day...

[BrightEyedFish]

IF:

CONJUNCTION

1: (introducing a conditional clause) on the condition or supposition that; in the event that.

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If implies uncertainty

[BrightEyedFish]

braincells

You can't just brush this aside. I don't think you received a Town Role PM.

[BrightEyedFish]

braincells

You can't just brush this aside. I don't think you received a Town Role PM.

Good.

Now, learn to freaking read and don’t talk to me, kthanx.

I'm not talking to you, I'm typing to you.

Is English your first language?

See how that works.

[BrightEyedFish]

if doesn't imply uncertainty by itself, and there's a sample town role PM in the opening posts.

further, the colloquial definition of "talk" includes written communication, because no one actually says "we're typing at each other in this mafia thread". ;>
~Chara

Ok you're right... on the 2nd point.

But I don't think someone who is town writes IF there. You don't have to see this IF as damning as I do, but don't forget it later on.

The devil is in the details.

[BrightEyedFish]

So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Switch out "if" with "since" or "now that" and the whole perspective of the sentence changes.

Ex. 1
So, since town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Ex. 2
So, now that town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Ex. 3 (original)
So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Notice the difference?

[BrightEyedFish]

and to use a pragmatic instead of semantic argument, why on earth would a mafia member be musing about possible scum wincons while not being sure of the town wincon?

Perhaps mafia!drewva could be employing a subtle WIFOM tactic.

[BrightEyedFish]

so it's something town doesn't do, but also something scum does do to subtly look town?

that's two assumptions you've made, you'll need some evidence for both to satisfy occam's razor.

Exactly, and the "IF" issue is the first piece of evidence in my DrewVa case. It stood out to me and I thought I would share. If it's irrelevant to you that's ok. You can pull your evidence for reads from other places.

[BrightEyedFish]

I really think we should use hurt tags to track "vote counts" ourselves

I mean, if you fake it, you better have a freaking good reason post flip so thats easily dealt with and i think tracking things like "I find such and such and such town" will be very tricky.

otherwise the emperor dudes may as well just lol hammer ?

Why don't we just keep our votes hidden? It could stop pointless sheeping and also make it harder for scum to start a counterwagon if a potential scum
is the leading wagon.
After the day has ended and the vote/flip is revealed we can do our VCA the following day.

[BrightEyedFish]

scum to start a counterwagon if a potential scum
is the leading wagon.

imo this is part of VCA - VCA isnt just the final VC

I get that, but I think keeping the votes hidden makes it harder for scum. If you want to post who you are voting for go ahead but just be careful because scum could be a Day Representative and end the day early if they see a wagon building on town.

Speaking of Day Representatives, anyone have any thoughts on how they are chosen yet?

[BrightEyedFish]

Elsa,
Why all the shade? Are you harbouring emotions from a past game?

[BrightEyedFish]

We got too many people. More then 23 including the Hydras. We gotta thin the herd.

I cant remember everyone in this game, especially with the hydra slips. Sigh.

Elsa,
Why all the shade? Are you harbouring emotions from a past game?

Reality show biz, my friend. You aren't appealing to the audience. Unfortunately, that means you gotta go.

But my drama brings ratings, does it not?

[BrightEyedFish]

Being a Grammar Nazi doesn't bring in ratings, and we get more ratings if you get punched in the face or something. We can't do that here, so voting you will have to do.

If You want real drama, TLK and RCE grudge match is where it's at.

I don't see it as being a grammar nazi, as I make plenty of mistakes. I was worried about the word choice and semantics and not the grammar. Besides you've got to start somewhere and I don't care, what they're going to say.

[BrightEyedFish]

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

To be honest, I do feel excitement every time Elsa mentions me in a post regardless if it's an insult. There's something there. I feel like Elsa wants to hate me but just can't. Elsa has this conceal--don't feel mentality when it comes to me. He can't just turn away and slam the door though. Perhaps, he should test the limits and break through and win this game with me us town.

[BrightEyedFish]

Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?

I think they are a lil dissapointed that I have not carried town like I did in the last boonskiies.
No way Max n Nev 'are going down a scummy path with Lonzo without having it out with me first. Very unlikely Town Fish.
Gamma is scum I know it.
Elsa sprung into action attempting to push me after I became active, not sure I was even on their radar before hand.
Il give Drew time to save Nancy
Ultimate Lurkers is the only slot out here playing worse than me.

Re End of Day.

I dont see how telegraphing 1/3 of the votes required to End the day well in advance is scummy, and I simply dont have the data on my phone to play the sniff the fart mafia alot of these players like to play for 100 pages a day everyday. Simple.

There are 2 fish in this game. Which one are you referring to?

[BrightEyedFish]

Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?

I think they are a lil dissapointed that I have not carried town like I did in the last boonskiies.
No way Max n Nev 'are going down a scummy path with Lonzo without having it out with me first. Very unlikely Town Fish.
Gamma is scum I know it.
Elsa sprung into action attempting to push me after I became active, not sure I was even on their radar before hand.
Il give Drew time to save Nancy
Ultimate Lurkers is the only slot out here playing worse than me.

Re End of Day.

I dont see how telegraphing 1/3 of the votes required to End the day well in advance is scummy, and I simply dont have the data on my phone to play the sniff the fart mafia alot of these players like to play for 100 pages a day everyday. Simple.

There are 2 fish in this game. Which one are you referring to?

ahh. Nevermind, I got confused with FF slipping.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

You still seem to not like my style this game. Shame.

I only seem to "hinder" because half the people aren't here and I like to talk.

Let's talk.

[BrightEyedFish]

Sure. What about?

Have you developed a read on Drewva yet?

[BrightEyedFish]

i will agree that fish and rce seem like scum

What makes us "seem" like scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

Fish is 35 and chiseled like a Greek god, I'v still no idea where 99 came from =P

I'm 99 in Fish years......

I think scum is involved with this whole unofficial VC agenda. I'll get caught up and give more thoughts on that matter today.

[BrightEyedFish]

First off, I tend to always overestimate town and underestimate scum. So this post will be full of tinfoil and WIFOM stuff but it's where my fish head is at right now

The hidden vote system hurts both town and scum but I think it makes it a little harder for scum in the long term. They can't just sheep somewhere in the middle of a wagon and say "oops" when the lynched player flips town. They has less excuses to use the following day after a mislynch.

So this is the list of people who have made their votes public. It's around 50% or the player list. So going on that sample size, statistically speaking I would suspect at least 50% of scum to have done the same, so I would say in this list there are at least 2-3 scum.

Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Elsa Jay
profii
Karmeleon
Ramcius
Emperors New Groove
DrewVa
Gamma Emerald
The Last Knight
Nero Cain
Nev and Max

I have switched my vote 3-4 times so far this game and all of the people that I have voted are in this list. So that makes me think my reads are going places. If you have ISO's me then you can probably find my top scumreads throughout the game, though some have changed and some are still developing. ANd since I am a proponent of the hidden vote system I do not wish to publicly announce my votes as of now. I wish more people would keep their votes hidden, at least for the remainder of this day so that after the lynch and any NKs we will have a solid VCA to start with come D2. Perhaps once we get into D2 and further it may make more sense to share where we are voting. But for now I will stay silent on that front.

[BrightEyedFish]

By posting the VC, I'm just trying to do something that I believe is helpful for the town.

It is helpful for town and it is helpful to scum. You just got to decide for yourself which side it helps more.

and since I did the same to DrewVa with "If", I found an interesting semantic issue with this post.

I am very interested on why you wrote the town. Your use of "the" makes me feel that you are separated from town.

But before we roll down the semantics road again, I know I know. But these things play important roles for myself and my reads during the first couple of days.

[BrightEyedFish]

Your argument is nitpicky and annoying.

But does that make it untrue?

[BrightEyedFish]

The only reason to really end the day is if things have stagnated and it kinda seems like it has.

True. Unless some of the more inactive people starting pushing out reads then we might as well start contemplating if the day should end.

Does anyone know when the true deadline for D1 is if the end day votes don't come?

[BrightEyedFish]

how do we move on from that though?

half the town are for vote counting and half arent - so lets the vote counters are pushing scum, the team mates are surely just going to be like "think ill not say" rather than openly push a counter in the normal fashion.

it's basically impossible to know whats going on. I think I'm going to do what someone mentioned earlier and hunt within the group of people that dont want to openly discuss their vote.

I think that once we enter D2 we should have a good start for information after the D1 flips and NK. If the votes be hidden gets us into trouble then we can try to push people to be more transparent with their votes.

[BrightEyedFish]

Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?

Don't understand this post (maybe it's been addressed)

Our only communication as Day reps together is here. We don't get our own private thread or anything

What needs to happen before you feel confident with using your day end vote?

[BrightEyedFish]

That last post is also directed at Xtoxm and nippyflips

[BrightEyedFish]

Thats the point - we are really stuck on day 1 if people don’t participate in a home made vote count

I get that. But I think we need to push through the mud and keep our votes hidden for the remainder of D1. It will keep any potential PR L-1s or whatever we call it this game from having to claim and scum will be forced to practically guess for their NK.

After the dust settles and D2 starts we will have alot of information to proceed with. The D1 flip, nk, and the final D1 VC.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'll be on semi-VLA during the next few days but I'll try to keep up and comment when I can.

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I don't really like either side in the DrewVa v Thanos thing but if is TvS then I think DrewVa is coming off as Townier. That being said, I don't really TR DrewVa anyways..

[BrightEyedFish]

Anyway, what's your opinion about TLK being so passive despite fact that he's leading wagon? He don't challenge people on his wagon, he don't try push me anymore, he don't try push you either

TLK is just too focused on keeping up the VC. It looks like busy work if you ask me and I'm inclined to think it is not town driven busy work.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, we have just over 4 days until the deadline and with the holidays here I expect there to be less activity. So we should start wrapping the day up.
Barring some new revelation I am pretty sure my vote will stay where it currently is.

[BrightEyedFish]

If Overkill 2, is any indication, I would argue the converse - BEF underestimated town. He faked a guilty on Hebi and never townread us in that game.

I was Town in OK2 so I was overestimating my abilities too with that fake guilty.

To be honest, hydras always give me a pause for caution and I think I tend to SR hydras a little faster and for a little less than non-hydra players. I know this is unfair but I can't help but picturing one head sitting there typing and the other head pointing a finger and laughing.

I still find you a little "Iffy" but you are more or less in my null pool right now.

[BrightEyedFish]

Sheesh, when you gonna stop misrep me? I want all my scumreads dead, that's town wincon, but I prefer other scumreads lynched over you, cause they have associations between themselves, while you are lone scumread

Who doesn't want their scumreads dead?

[BrightEyedFish]

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

[BrightEyedFish]

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

No, you didn’t. I’m saying he’s not thinking logically. Why wouldn’t scum!me be voting him now?

Scum!you would know if he was scum or not.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

No, you didn’t. I’m saying he’s not thinking logically. Why wouldn’t scum!me be voting him now?

Scum!you would know if he was scum or not.

That isn’t what I said. I said as scum, fhpov, I should definitely be voting him.

Well, I would consider that possibly as WiFOM. I'm not implying that you are scum based on that post but it is irrelevant if you two are voting for each other or not.

[BrightEyedFish]

If RightKnight is TLK then switching accounts after a hard claim is a very poor last ditch effort to convince us you are not scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

Ahhhh geez.

Right Knight is Nancy and Mathblade.
Is Nancy being funny and confusing me?
Or is Mathblade RK and I am losing my mind?

[BrightEyedFish]

Just for clarification does SS = the Super Saint claim or Something_Smart?

[BrightEyedFish]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

[BrightEyedFish]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

Yeah, I'm going to just say this.

DrewVa most likely is anticipating alot of pressure today and I could fathom the idea that Scum nominated DrewVa as a Day Rep to help control the flow of the day.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF

Not sure what that means because I’ve never been part of a BooneyToonz game before.

Is there actually a BOONus round? How do you know that DrewVa was apart of it?

I’m pretty sure you’re joking, but just to be sure.

I was in a round with DrewVa and Alonzo. DrewVa went on and on about if we are all town in the real game we should compromise so that we all get a prize. We we all did compromise and Alonzo and I were town and DrewVa was scum so DrewVa won the round and said they were choosing 1-shot Vig to be used starting N2.
Granted, the winner of the round choose their prize in their confessional thread so maybe they picked one of the other two options which were Loyal or Macho.

[BrightEyedFish]

I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

How would you know if I'm in scum chat or not? Perhaps because you have access to it.

***This is the time where I would usually fake a guilty claim on DrewVa.

[BrightEyedFish]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.

FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this

Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them ). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.

There was absolutely nothing mentioned in our BOOnus round about another game or how we were chosen.
So how DrewVa knows about another BOOnus round and the choosing mechanism is a wonder to me.

Oh perhaps another scum was in the other round and they talked about it in SC.

[BrightEyedFish]

I want to know how DrewVa has information about the other round.

[BrightEyedFish]

Is it like a mini mafia game and the winner gets the prize?

Exactly, 3p overnight mafia

Then why did DrewVa say it could be 1 town 2 mafia? That’s an auto win for mafia

It could theoretically be 3 Town or 3 mafia too

[BrightEyedFish]

Is it like a mini mafia game and the winner gets the prize?

Exactly, 3p overnight mafia

Then why did DrewVa say it could be 1 town 2 mafia? That’s an auto win for mafia

It could theoretically be 3 Town or 3 mafia too

Really? How would that work though? Based on how the BOOnus round is played, doesn’t at least one of the three players have to be of a different alignment?

We all 3 voted compromise.

Did you not read the rules?

If we all would have been of the same alignment we all would have won. Since you were the minority group you won.

[BrightEyedFish]

I was in a BOONus round myself (room C) and our game had the possibility of being all one alignment

We were group A.

So funny that Boon told DrewVa there were 2 groups when there were apparently at least 3

[BrightEyedFish]

Iv just been over the Invite to the boonus round in my confessional thread, no mention of multiple games happening...

We specifically asked and were told there was a second one.

I’m assuming there are two each night. I’m not sure how the players are all selected but yeah, Boon confirmed it in our confessional.

There are probably completely different prizes as well. We weren’t informed about anything other than there was 2 rounds.

So its Gamma whos Lying to throw you under the bus...

We specifically asked if there was a second round, so I assumed there were only two. Boon never specifically said that there were only two, only confirmed that there was a second one. So, I actually don’t know how many there are.

Quote his post.

Don't quote mod posts.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

And you’ll once again be wrong, just like you were when you scumread us and faked that guilty on Hebi, in Overkill 2.

Ok.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

And you’ll once again be wrong, just like you were when you scumread us and faked that guilty on Hebi, in Overkill 2.

Also.
DrewVa tried to use my several fake guilties to discredit me in the BOONus round too and they were Scum there.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

Wanna reread BEF’s posts tomorrow morning. Not sure I agree with his angle of attack, but he seems very genuine today so far. Welcome to the townreads

Yeah, he’s really bad town, similar to Overkill 2, where he got town!hebi mislynched with a fake guilty.

Yeah, I was also a PGO that drew in a scum l night visit

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

And you’ll once again be wrong, just like you were when you scumread us and faked that guilty on Hebi, in Overkill 2.

Also.
DrewVa tried to use my several fake guilties to discredit me in the BOONus round too and they were Scum there.

We would have also done that as town. As far as we were concerned, we were good with either both Alonzo and us winning, us winning or Alonzo winning. We didn’t really care all that much who won, so long as it wasn’t you.

Im pretty sure bef said you were the one who pushed for a concede (right c word? Idk i forgot, too tired to check), and someone else said if everyone concedes the minority wins. How would you and Alonzo both win if you fought for a concede?

Exactly.
BTW the word was Compromise

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, it said that the same BOONus round rooms will be used in the following night so the next people in Group A will be able to read our game.

[BrightEyedFish]

@thanos: are those only for N2? Those seem EXTREMELY powerful if they last the entire game

The room is locked and disappeared now but I think they are permanent. Like for the entire game. Because only the prize with the neighbor specifically said "1 shot"

As in you only get 1 shot to set up a neighborhood and have private communication with a player of your choosing. The other two prizes (immune to night actions and immune to tracking) didn't say 1 shot. So must be permanent.

No townie would ever pick immune to tracking. You guys got some weirdass prizes. Whoa. I would pick immune to the NK. I wouldn’t want to be immune from anything else.

I think the only prize that only scum would pick in ours is “macho”, for obvious reasons.

In the BOONus round you said you were debating between taking the VIG-shot or giving your top SR the macho modifier...

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

No faith needed. I think the hidden votes helped a lot. I feel someone unintentionally bussed.

I agree and looking at the time stamps, Cheeky's lat minute switch comes off a little shady.
Also, UL, Nev, TA, dave, and Karm all have early time stamps and didn't switch there votes at all during the later stages of D1.

Maybe some comments from them on to why they didn't change their vote would be helpful.

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

Coming from someone who faked a guilty on town, why shouldn’t everyone believe you? Stop pushing this. You were wrong about hebi and me in Overkill 2, who you also sr there too, remember?

If you are even thinking about doing to me here what you did to hebi in THIS game, I promise it won’t be pretty. So I don’t know if you’re thinking of pulling that shit here or not but I wouldn’t recommend it.

I also faked a guilty on Elsa and she was scum. No one believed me because she fake CCd but still I don't always miss.

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

Coming from someone who faked a guilty on town, why shouldn’t everyone believe you? Stop pushing this. You were wrong about hebi and me in Overkill 2, who you also sr there too, remember?

If you are even thinking about doing to me here what you did to hebi in THIS game, I promise it won’t be pretty. So I don’t know if you’re thinking of pulling that shit here or not but I wouldn’t recommend it.

also,
Ive already commented on a possible DrewVa guilty.
See post 2418

[BrightEyedFish]

Wait, BEF faked a result this game? Where? And why lol. Who fakes results...

No not in this game but in several others.

[BrightEyedFish]

I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

How would you know if I'm in scum chat or not? Perhaps because you have access to it.

***This is the time where I would usually fake a guilty claim on DrewVa.

I don’t and if I had no meta knowledge of how embarrassingly off your reads were in Overkill 2, you’d probably be one of my top scumreads rn but BECAUSE of that game, I KNOW that you really ARE this bad.

You’re just damned lucky I gifted our vig prize because had I not had to foresight to do that, our ultimate NK, would sit squarely on YOUR head for helping scum know exactly, who to target.

Fortunately, I took into account how atrociously bad and anti-town a player you are and town won’t suffer the consequences of your poor judgement.

I love you too sugar plum.

[BrightEyedFish]

Wait, BEF faked a result this game? Where? And why lol. Who fakes results...

No, not here but he did fake one on town!hebi in Overkill 2, which resulted in her being mislynched. And it boggles my mind that he has no regret over that.

I made my peace with Hebi.

[BrightEyedFish]

@drewva

Do you SR this game?

[BrightEyedFish]

*Do you SR me this game

[BrightEyedFish]

*Do you SR me this game

I don’t know your scumgame but if you could link me to one of your scumgames, that would be awesome.

All I have to go on is Overkill 2. You seem to be sincere but I just got completely bamboozled by scum!Dunn in Excalibur, who I had been hard townreading for sincerity. \_0_/

My latest ones are Mini 2038 and Mini 2041

I can't remember the rest but on my wiki are all of my games.

[BrightEyedFish]

*Do you SR me this game

I don’t know your scumgame but if you could link me to one of your scumgames, that would be awesome.

All I have to go on is Overkill 2. You seem to be sincere but I just got completely bamboozled by scum!Dunn in Excalibur, who I had been hard townreading for sincerity. \_0_/

My latest ones are Mini 2038 and Mini 2041

I can't remember the rest but on my wiki are all of my games.

I meant 2045, in 2041 I was town.

[BrightEyedFish]

I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

How would you know if I'm in scum chat or not? Perhaps because you have access to it.

***This is the time where I would usually fake a guilty claim on DrewVa.

OK this post is just gross in general, no real defense, just deflecting and tying himself to someone else.
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Tell me, how would you defend that?
Really look at what DrewVa says: by saying Scum is calling me "Santa" in their PT, then I must not be a part of the Scum PT and that puts me in the town pile.

[BrightEyedFish]

Day 1 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]
Theta Alpine[3]: - Almost Chara [12/27, 14:50], Elsa Jay [12/28, 17:41], The Last Knight [12/28, 17:35]
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - Ultimate Liars [12/15, 22:02], BrightEyedFish [12/28, 00:23]
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald [12/19, 12:37], Nero Cain [12/27, 14:52]
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma [12/20, 17:19],
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max [12/16, 16:58]
RCEnigma [1]: - Theta Alpine [12/18, 07:59]
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii [12/28, 17:01]

Not Voting [1]: Emperor flippyNips

Good Idea, I will quote it here so we don't have to keep searching back all the time.

[BrightEyedFish]

@Something_Smart

Your vote for xt was placed fairly late in the day, care to share where it was at before and why you switched to XT.

[BrightEyedFish]

***This is the time where I would usually fake a guilty claim on DrewVa.

Why didn't you then?

Believe me, I wanted to.

[BrightEyedFish]

***This is the time where I would usually fake a guilty claim on DrewVa.

Why didn't you then?

Believe me, I wanted to.

And you didn't because he is town and you don't want to fake a guilty on town?

Or because you are scum and you don't want to bring that kind of heat on yourself?

Or because you really don't think Drew is scum.

Why didn't you fake a guilty in a situation where you admit you normally would?

I'm trying to stay objective and not be too influenced by emotions but I still sr DrewVa. I doubt my accusations will lead to their lynch today but today isn't the last day so I will keep trying unless they get conftown somehow.
Besides,
If I did go for a fake guilty right now on DrewVa, few would probably believe me (due to my past antics) and it would most certainly be my head. Then after my flip you all would see that I'm not a cop and DrewVa would probably get too much undeserved towncred.

[BrightEyedFish]

Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon

How do you know this for a fact?

I don't know for sure since I can't read DrewVa's confessional. It just seemed like a pretty easy way for DrewVa to discredit my post that no one can prove either way.

[BrightEyedFish]

******************

I've got a beautiful early shift tomorrow so I need to starting winding down. I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy New Year from Germany!

See you all next year!

******************

[BrightEyedFish]

Wow, that's amazing that almost nobody posted during my catchup. Maybe I'll be able to keep up...

I was in BOONus room B, with Almost Chara and Karm. Karm and I "won" the minigame, and got a +1 and choice of (Disloyal, Loud, and a 3rd thing that I can't remember offhand). We had the option of keeping or gifting, same as the other BOONus rooms. Hopefully Karm will remember the 3rd modifier. It seems that the game will end up with a good number of us having roles that resemble the way that Boon plays the game in every setup -- wild!!

Ok, DrewVa won our BOONus round, Karm and Dave won Room B. That means either Ramicus won Group C or is scum.

Because, it seems if you win the BOONus round you get to be a Day Rep unless a scum used their new modifier.

Can anyone confirm tham Ramicus won group C?

[BrightEyedFish]

Gamma was in Group C.

[BrightEyedFish]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

So after looking back, I am guessing that Gamma, Thanos, and Ramicus were in Group C.
Now we just need someone to confirm that Ramicus won.

[BrightEyedFish]

I suppose I missed out on these rounds for being a day rep yesterday

I'm assuming the D1 reps were randomly selected.

[BrightEyedFish]

• Because of the Confessionals Thread mechanic, there will be 4 players per day chosen to be the Day Representatives. At the beginning of each Round (Day), these players will be posted upon the opening Day post. These players can VOTE: End Day. If 3 out of the 4 vote to end the day, then the day will end. Players will have until Twilight ends to cast their votes in their Confessionals Thread. Plurality Lynch Rule will come into play, and there will be a final vote count placed in the thread to end the day. I won't be explaining how the Day Representatives are chosen, but throughout the game, it will become obvious. There will still be the natural deadline for the game, and Plurality Lynch Rule will still come into play.

[BrightEyedFish]

I suppose I missed out on these rounds for being a day rep yesterday

Alonzo was a Day Rep yesterday and also in the BOONus round.

[BrightEyedFish]

Gamma was in Group C.

Ram wasn’t in Group C

VOTE: Ramicus

[BrightEyedFish]

Gamma was in Group C.

Ram wasn’t in Group C

VOTE: Ramicus

Why?

Because the winners of the BOONus rounds are the Day Reps. Also scum has a new modifier where they can pick one of themselves to be a Day Rep. And Ram wasn't in a BOONus round.

[BrightEyedFish]

Because the winners of the BOONus rounds are the Day Reps. Also scum has a new modifier where they can pick one of themselves to be a Day Rep. And Ram wasn't in a BOONus round.

What about Karmeleon?

(I've been keeping up btw)

Karm and Dave won Group B
DrewVa won Group A
Ram WASN'T EVEN A PART of Group C

[BrightEyedFish]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

Just a reminder as to why Ram is scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why is the 4th end of day person scum?

Why can’t it be that scum just didn’t use that power and Boon has to fill the slot ?!

I mean you could be right but 75% of the Day Reps are confirmed BOONus round winners and 75% is statically Very significant. I like those odds.

[BrightEyedFish]

I mean you could be right but 75% of the Day Reps are confirmed BOONus round winners and 75% is statically Very significant. I like those odds.

Does BOONus round winners confirm alignment in game?

Like profii too.

I think Alonzo (might have been DrewVa) mentioned in our BOONus round thread that Boon said the alignment in the BOONus round does not reflect our alignment in this game.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, are you have strong townread on other 3 day reps?

I don't think being a Day Rep in itself is AI. For all I know all 4 could be scum. I think you are scum because you are a day rep without winning a BOONus round and the only other way we know of that someone can become a Day Rep is if they are scum and chose themselves to be a Day Rep.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, are you have strong townread on other 3 day reps?

Ram, this sentence is put together in an odd way, but I think it might explain something. Is English your first language? Totally cool if it's not, just would help me understand your posts a little better since I feel like I'm missing a tiny thing each time.

I don't have a STRONG TR on any current Day Rep. My order from townniest to scummiest is:
Dave
Karm
Drew
Ram

[BrightEyedFish]

Day 2 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa)
Karmeleon

(expired on 2019-01-14 18:00:00) on January 14th, 2019.

I think it’s really just coincidence that the winners are the representatives. I’ll give it a couple days. Until then, STOP.

3/4’s not a coincedence. Sorry not sorry

Yes it is, holy fuck do I need to read a dictionary at you

Definition of coincidence in English:
coincidence
NOUN
1A remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.

Here we have an APPARENT CONNECTION.

[BrightEyedFish]

Day 2 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa)
Karmeleon

(expired on 2019-01-14 18:00:00) on January 14th, 2019.

I think it’s really just coincidence that the winners are the representatives. I’ll give it a couple days. Until then, STOP.

3/4’s not a coincedence. Sorry not sorry

Yes it is, holy fuck do I need to read a dictionary at you

Definition of coincidence in English:
coincidence
NOUN
1A remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.

Here we have an APPARENT CONNECTION.

And the argument for the connection bring valid is? Like, there’s nothing actually pointing to what you guys are arguing beyond speculation. No thanks.

There is evidence pointing there. If you feel that evidence is overwhelmingly speculatory then feel free to give us some other mechanism that points to how the day reps are decided.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF , I don't think the winners of BOONus round are the day reps. Because the two winners of round C are not on the list. Also there's a day 1, how were those chosen? Day 2 reps were probably chosen the same as day 1 reps. Town read you though, attempts at solving the day reps thing seems townie and genuine. I do remember reading that there is a pattern that we'll pick up on how the day reps are chosen. So you MIGHT be right. We'll need more samples to make that conclusion though.

There was 1 winner in Group A (Drew) , 2 in Group B (Dave and Karm), apparently 2 in Group C (??)
Is is entirely possible that the winners of Group C were replaced due to scum putting Ram as a Day Rep.

You're right, it's unknown how the D1 reps were chosen but I suspect randomly because there were no BOONus rounds before the game start. Boon said it would become "obvious" how they are chosen.

A bigger sample size will of course help us prove or disprove this.


However I strongly believe that we trust the stats instead of banking on a policy lynch or something that has less evidence to help us solve the game.

This is a classic case of when we should be using Occams razor.

[BrightEyedFish]

You using Occam's razor, when you can't prove anything? Either of other 3 can be scum, scum might chose not to use their ability (I don't see any advantage for scum having their day rep, especially, if this ability is public), there no confirmation that all 4 is from BOONus rounds. In short, you try to lynch me on some unconfirmed speculations

So, can we get TLK today? We need to deal with SS claim. No one want discuss his last second vote on Theta D1 either

Occams Razor is a method used to prove and/or explain something. And we do have confirmation on 3 of the Day Reps also being BOONus round winners.

[BrightEyedFish]

The advantage for Scum to be a Day Rep is also there. In this game a day rep has a possible power equivalent to hammering. They can either end or prolong the day if the leading wagon either helps or hurts the scum team.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF , I don't think the winners of BOONus round are the day reps. Because the two winners of round C are not on the list. Also there's a day 1, how were those chosen? Day 2 reps were probably chosen the same as day 1 reps. Town read you though, attempts at solving the day reps thing seems townie and genuine. I do remember reading that there is a pattern that we'll pick up on how the day reps are chosen. So you MIGHT be right. We'll need more samples to make that conclusion though.

@gamma, why are you trying to hide scum benefit prizes?if I there's a possibility you're immune to tracking and night actions. I definitely need to inform town. Wtf is that green post lol.

@mcqueen, your defense of drewva (who seems to have 3 or 4 votes atm) comes off as scum defending scum. Please don't ask "why would I do that as scum".

I mean since everyone hates pants I’ll claim what I picked, which was the Neighborizer. I definitely didn’t feel like being Ascetic and while I could see utility to it, Ninja doesn’t work with my ability very well imo

Will you confirm if there was a 2nd winner in your group? You don't have to say a name.

[BrightEyedFish]

You don't to say who it is.

[BrightEyedFish]

You using Occam's razor, when you can't prove anything? Either of other 3 can be scum, scum might chose not to use their ability (I don't see any advantage for scum having their day rep, especially, if this ability is public), there no confirmation that all 4 is from BOONus rounds. In short, you try to lynch me on some unconfirmed speculations

So, can we get TLK today? We need to deal with SS claim. No one want discuss his last second vote on Theta D1 either

Occams Razor is a method used to prove and/or explain something. And we do have confirmation on 3 of the Day Reps also being BOONus round winners.

"Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that the simplest solution tends to be the correct one."

Your solution isn't simplest, you just want easy mechanical lynch

IMO, it's the simplest that has been presented so far. The rest is mostly WIFOM

[BrightEyedFish]

So tomorrow I guess we need players not to be tight lipped about the BOOnus rounds.

I don't think the winners need to publicly declare what prize they chose unless they decide for themselves or if they gave them to someone else, but they should say the winner(s) of their respective groups.

[BrightEyedFish]

This will stop scum from using their day rep modifier and they will have to win their group to get on as a day rep.

[BrightEyedFish]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

@xt
They can only pick one of themselves.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF we're not lynching Ram. Ram is not scum.

~ C

If day 3 and 4 we find his theory is correct, you do know this confirms ram as scum right?

Pedit@ram, if we find out later that his theory is correct, how do you explain that? Or would you rather answer this when we find out if he's right or wrong

Let me hammer TLK and it will give us a lot - if he's scum, i'll be pretty much conf town, if he's town SS, we both gonna be dead and 2 questionable slots out of the picture. If people don't trust me to hammer, just set couple scummy people before me and lynch me tomorrow, if I don't follow with hammer

If you are lynched or NKd and flip town, then I promise that I will takeover your promise to hammer TLK.

[BrightEyedFish]

"opportunity to pick one of themselves"

could you highlight the part that precludes using it on someone that isnt themselves?

I don't get what you mean

[BrightEyedFish]

"opportunity to pick one of themselves"

could you highlight the part that precludes using it on someone that isnt themselves?

I don't get what you mean

Can scum nominate anyone of the 23 players or does it have to be scum? Does it specifically say so? I dont think scum would pick non scum as a day rep though, UNLESS, they knew how the day reps are chosen, which is doubtful.

The way I interpret the factional ability post is that scum can just choose one member of the scum team. It's not obligatory for them to use the ability but if they choose to then they can only pick a scum member.

[BrightEyedFish]

I am fully committed to lynching Ram today. But if there is not enough support from the rest of you then how about this.

Since Ram is now on suspicion of being scum, can we agree that he should go ahead and place his End Of Day vote so that it will render his End Day vote less powerful. That or we decide that he shouldn't use it at all and let the other 3 Day Reps decide when they want to end the day?

[BrightEyedFish]

I think him not using it at all would be most beneficial. This way if he does vote to end the day we can see that as a pure scum claim.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

Should Ram leave the vote or unvote and sit on it for the remainder of the day

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: End day

as you wish, BEF

The more I look at this vote, even though I asked for it, itfeels strange. He has been trying to discredit my theory and suddenly wants to comply with me without any input from anyone else...

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF we're not lynching Ram. Ram is not scum.

~ C

If day 3 and 4 we find his theory is correct, you do know this confirms ram as scum right?

Pedit@ram, if we find out later that his theory is correct, how do you explain that? Or would you rather answer this when we find out if he's right or wrong

What's the theory?

~ C

In short:
The four day reps are chosen from the winners of the BOONus rounds. Ramcius is the only one in the four who wasnt even in a BOOnus round (the other 3 won BOOnus rounds). So that hints that the scum used their ability to select one scum player to be on the four day representatives.

We'll need more info from tomorrows boonus round to confirm. But Boon did say that "it would become obvious as the game progresses" on how the 4 day reps are chosen. So this theory isn't exactly a stretch.

Oh this makes more sense. I don't see why the mod would do that though?

Where does it say that the winners from the boonus round become the day reps? If there are only 3 boonus rounds then it makes sense that one of the reps will be choosen randomly.

Were the winners told that was part of the prize?

Not necessarily, there were actually 5 BOONus round winners and only 4 Day rep spots.

The winners were not told it was part of their prize. Boon simply said that the method for choosing Day Reps will become "obvious"

[BrightEyedFish]

Another thing is that there was one round where there were 2 winners - so how was that decided? Do they get the option of being a rep or are they just selected without their knowledge.

Those 2 winners are both Day Reps. Dave and Karm.

[BrightEyedFish]

The issue comes from the 3rd game. We don't know who won that round we just know Ram wasn't in that group but is somehow a Day Rep.

[BrightEyedFish]

The two theories we have right now as to how Ram became a Day Rep is:
1. Scum used their factional ability to place Ram as a day rep.
2. Boon randomly selected him.

[BrightEyedFish]

Ok so say we lynched him - what would we learn from his flip as either alignment?

We get our 2nd scum lynch in a row and a better understanding of the game mechanics. Also if Ram flips scum then we can throw TLK in the scum pile.

[BrightEyedFish]

Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]

Woah. This is interesting. Seems co-ordinated.

~Auro

I thought so too, I checked the time stamps to the posts and the conversation at the time of those votes is here: Post 2326

Honestly, I didn't find anything really incriminating in those posts and they were pretty open with their voting on xt.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think a proper wagon/scumlean is profii. I am obviously not voting for myself because I don't want to be my own hammer on accident. So I just want to be on a reasonable wagon when the day ends. And profii isn't pinging my towndar at all.

VOTE: profii

Can someone in the right time zone check this for me because it’s bugging me and I want to make sure I’m doing it right

It appears TLK said he would vote me half an hour after voting Theta according to the Boon vca

It could be because I’m GMT and adding +5 to all time stamps to find juicy posts near when people actually voted that I’ve infact messed this up


Help???

If you are GMT then you should +8 from the time stamps. The time stamps are in PST.

[BrightEyedFish]

Only way scum says "I claim SS" is if they are betting on there not being one in the game.

Then it's a win-win to claim it for your comrades to know who to avoid hammering. He wasn't in a good position before his claim. He was literally keeping the VC pointing to his death.

I think we have 3-4 people willing to hammer TLK now.

[BrightEyedFish]

I know that DVa is scumreading Ram due to his response to BEF but I haven’t figured out what post that is yet.

Post 2840 is where Ram joined the conversation about my Day Rep theory.

[BrightEyedFish]

You know what I’ll roll with this theory until it’s busted. Get this:
BOONus round cycle so everyone gets equal opportunity
So people should not be day rep consecutive days if the BOONus round winner = day rep theory is true
So if one person who was in a BOONus round last night is a day rep tomorrow I say that’s a solid lynch. If more than one show up the theory is busted.
And FYI I have little qualms about being lynched by my own logic. Helps prove the theory is bullshit anyway in that case.

• Along with the night phase, there will be the BOONus Rounds. When there are more than 18 players alive, 9 players will be chosen for this, more than 12, 6 players, and more than 6 players alive, 3 players. These BOONus Rounds will give potential Prizes to players, which you can then choose to keep for yourself, or anonymously give to other players. To make it fair, PRIORITY will be given to players who have not been involved in these rounds as the game goes on.

The last sentence indicates that it MAY be possible for someone to have back to back BOONus rounds... so if a player had back to back BOONus rounds and won both of them, they could theoretically be a Day Rep two days in a row.

[BrightEyedFish]

I want the VC. If I consider the top wagon an optimal lynch I'm ending the day.

This game isn't supposed to take long.

Don't try to pull Alonzo, it wasn't funny D1, it's not funny now

I'm not joking. When there are too many players alive, the correct play to do is settle on someone we agree in and focus on nightplay.

In post 3348 you said if YOU find the top wagon optimal YOU will end the day.
Now in post 3351 you say WE should all agree on a wagon...

Two opposing statements in quick succession make little sense to me...
Are you playing on two sides?

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, I just want to note that if scum was one of the other 3 reps, their ability might had no effect too

This is an odd thought seemingly out of nowhere.
If Ram flips scum. Then I suspect there is another scum on the current day rep team. Looks like he is trying to cover some bases.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, I just want to note that if scum was one of the other 3 reps, their ability might had no effect too

This is an odd thought seemingly out of nowhere.
If Ram flips scum. Then I suspect there is another scum on the current day rep team. Looks like he is trying to cover some bases.

All 4 reps are maf, just don't tell anyone, ok?

I almost believe you. Honestly.

[BrightEyedFish]

Traitor and Miller aren't the same thing. Optimal play for a miller is to claim in your first post...at least before the first night phase...seriously wtf?

~ C

This is Elsa Jay we’re talking about. Nothing is sacred to him when it comes to claiming shit.

Yepperoni. Though I don't think I'll ever claim a fake Daycop guilty iday 1 in a Mini Normal anytime soon...

Didn't you CC daycop on me in Mini 2040?

[BrightEyedFish]

I didn't say I wouldn't CC a fake claim, did I? I just said I wouldn't claim it naturally. Clearly it worked out more for me then it did for you that game.

Indeed it did.

[BrightEyedFish]

Here are my current scum reads:

Ram
TLK
Karm
Drew

I would be willing to lynch any of these players today in this order.

Does anyone think that it is IMPROBABLE for these 4 to on the scum team? Because the more I look at it, the more it just all makes sense. I think Ram is scum due to my Day Rep theory. I think TLK is scum because RAM is scum and was more than happy to hammer a SS (I don't believe the SS claim) AND I think TLK is scum because it was the 2nd top wagon on D1 where we got a scum lynch (imo a counter wagon to a scum lynch is also cum more often than not)

The other 2 of my SRs are dependent on the flips of Ram or TLK.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

oh my god.
cum = scum

[BrightEyedFish]

Here are my current scum reads:

Ram
TLK
Karm
Drew

I would be willing to lynch any of these players today in this order.

Does anyone think that it is IMPROBABLE for these 4 to on the scum team? Because the more I look at it, the more it just all makes sense. I think Ram is scum due to my Day Rep theory. I think TLK is scum because RAM is scum and was more than happy to hammer a SS (I don't believe the SS claim) AND I think TLK is scum because it was the 2nd top wagon on D1 where we got a scum lynch (imo a counter wagon to a scum lynch is also cum more often than not)

The other 2 of my SRs are dependent on the flips of Ram or TLK.

How your theory holds against fact that suddenly people decided wagon me after TLK wagon become a thing D1? Or fact that I changed my vote to TLK before his claim, never announced it and stayed on him till the end?

It has nothing to do with YOUR VOTE. it has to do with the competing wagon when the leading wagon flips scum. TLK was the competing wagon when EFN flipped scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

Here are my current scum reads:

Ram
TLK
Karm
Drew

I would be willing to lynch any of these players today in this order.

Does anyone think that it is IMPROBABLE for these 4 to on the scum team? Because the more I look at it, the more it just all makes sense. I think Ram is scum due to my Day Rep theory. I think TLK is scum because RAM is scum and was more than happy to hammer a SS (I don't believe the SS claim) AND I think TLK is scum because it was the 2nd top wagon on D1 where we got a scum lynch (imo a counter wagon to a scum lynch is also cum more often than not)

The other 2 of my SRs are dependent on the flips of Ram or TLK.

How your theory holds against fact that suddenly people decided wagon me after TLK wagon become a thing D1? Or fact that I changed my vote to TLK before his claim, never announced it and stayed on him till the end?

It has nothing to do with YOUR VOTE. it has to do with the competing wagon when the leading wagon flips scum. TLK was the competing wagon when EFN flipped scum.

I'm speaking about your theory that me and TLK are scumbuddies

Oh... I forgot.
You're right, it's not possible that one scum member would vote another. I've never seen that before. Wow, my world has just flipped upside down.

But I thought you were going to hammer TLK and do you realize that we have time stamps so we know exactly when you voted TLK, and let me give you a hint (it was after the claim)

[BrightEyedFish]

I voted TLK long before his claim (you have timestamps, so go and check) and yes, I said I'm ok to hammer him after claim to ensure his lynch as I saw people got scared by that claim

Profil, I didn't announced my vote on TLK, i wanted him (and his team) to be less aware on how many votes he had

oops

Tell us, how did you expect to be the hammer with such an early vote?

[BrightEyedFish]

You could have just kept unvoting and then re-vote TLK to update your timestamp to ensure that you stayed on the hammer position. I think either you knew TLK wasn't a SS and had knowledge that EFN would be the lynch.

[BrightEyedFish]

You could have just kept unvoting and then re-vote TLK to update your timestamp to ensure that you stayed on the hammer position. I think either you knew TLK wasn't a SS and had knowledge that EFN would be the lynch.

I'm bored, but not that bored to fight this...

It's hard to argue against the truth.

[BrightEyedFish]

You could have just kept unvoting and then re-vote TLK to update your timestamp to ensure that you stayed on the hammer position. I think either you knew TLK wasn't a SS and had knowledge that EFN would be the lynch.

I'm bored, but not that bored to fight this...

It's hard to argue against the truth.

Hm, let's see, I suggest you ask other people to explain you difference between "I can" and "I will". Jokes aside, there was no reason for me to revote TLK as no one claimed vote on him, only unvotes, so in event of someone else catching up on TLK (he was top wagon for most of D1), I wanted him to get lynched.

Yes, Cheeky and Xtoxm are my scumbuddies and they told me they gonna vote EFN, is this truth you wanted to see?

Who said anything about Cheeky and Xt?
There were 2 others on the EFN wagon as well...

[BrightEyedFish]

Doesn't mean scum!Drew and scum!Alonzo didn't setup the wagon...

[BrightEyedFish]

Who's voting Nero Rn?

Not me. My vote is still on Ram. The reasons why are already known.

[BrightEyedFish]

Not super recent.
Why are you asking this now DrewVa?

Seems like DrewVa is trying to dismantle the wagon on Ram. Shift focus elsewhere. What I would like to know is, why?

[BrightEyedFish]

We are about halfway to the deadline unless the day reps end early. We should begin narrowing down the wagons. I'm pretty sure there are at least some others votes on Ram. Where do you all think other wagons are forming?

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't see that coming from TLK on his first game actually.

He could have been coached by other scum in their PT. So don't think just because he is "new" he can't be scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah, well, with the circumstances with the day reps, Ramcius offering to kill me, and the absence of a consistent vig, I think that he's a better hammer vote. But I hear you, Elsa, if Ramcius proves suboptimal, then you would be my second choice of hammer.

I too support a Ramcius hammer if you are to be lynched.

[BrightEyedFish]

Can anyone make a general case on McQueen?

~Auro

I don't think anyone can make a better case on anyone right now than the case we have on Ram.

[BrightEyedFish]

Besides if Ram is scum then it's possible he has a PR that he will definitely use tonight. Also, since the day rep mechanic is almost certain, we shouldn't let scum try to manipulate the day reps tomorrow to skew the results.
Ram is the best vote today. Anyone who thinks differently doesn't truly have town's best interest in mind.

[BrightEyedFish]

The only things that can stop me from pushing this agenda are:
Ram hammers TLK
Or
Ram makes a believable claim that can be verified.

[BrightEyedFish]

The only things that can stop me from pushing this agenda are:
Ram hammers TLK
Or
Ram makes a believable claim that can be verified.

No to second part (it's not that I don't want, I simply can't), and also, your "case" have so many holes that it's not even funny

name 1 hole. or 2. or 3.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF from what I'v seen, you do tend to tunnel on a slot when your pushing...

Who else do you SR?

Post 3498

[BrightEyedFish]

The only things that can stop me from pushing this agenda are:
Ram hammers TLK
Or
Ram makes a believable claim that can be verified.

No to second part (it's not that I don't want, I simply can't), and also, your "case" have so many holes that it's not even funny

name 1 hole. or 2. or 3.

You have no idea how exactly day reps are chosen, you have no idea, if scum used their ability, you have no idea about other 3 reps - one of then can be scum pick

Is that enough? In short, whole your case is just a big speculation

It isn't based solely on speculation,we have been through that.

And why "can't" you claim. If you had such an important role, vital to Town's victory, you wouldn't be going out on a limb to hammer TLK on (to use your favorite word) speculation...

Unless, perhaps, you know somehow that TLK isn't SS.

[BrightEyedFish]

I would like to hear what else you have besides this day rep thing (also, it's funny how you have 3 day reps in your scumreads, yet you're dead set on me being scum pick for day rep and not Karm or Drew)

I'm not SRing you because you are a Day Rep, but how you became a Day Rep is my biggest concern.
I've had my SR on Drew since D1 and I explained all of that "if" stuff.

My Karm and TLK reads are not so strong but also stem from my SR On you.

Maybe that's why I'm so set on lynching Ram. It may just be me having confirmation bias but I still feel its more than just a coincidence.

[BrightEyedFish]

@ BEF- I could see Ram as scum but that day rep thing you are pushing is dumb.

Maybe, maybe not.

[BrightEyedFish]

Don't you think it's better to wait for Theta's replacement before lynching that slot?

We should do the mod a favor and just lynch the dead slot. Who the fuck is replacing into a 150pg game on day 2?

The timing of this post feels... convoluted

[BrightEyedFish]

I think the timing's just funny, they obviously hadn't read and it's not reflective of anything else

But still.

It had been 4 days since Nev last posted and all of a sudden they come on an leave a comment on on this topic a few mins after the mod post. They were either active lurking or they found nothing else interesting in four days of posts.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think the timing's just funny, they obviously hadn't read and it's not reflective of anything else

But still.

It had been 4 days since Nev last posted and all of a sudden they come on an leave a comment on on this topic a few mins after the mod post. They were either active lurking or they found nothing else interesting in four days of posts.

I've been keeping up more on my main profile, and I keep stopping myself from main slipping. I didn't feel like adding much and have been waiting on Max. I popped in the thread and saw the replace, commented on it and then finished catching up.

Not sure what you are pushing towards here...

One could view it has you trying to distance yourself from the "empty slot" for some reason. I don't SR you or Una for this but if one of you flips scum later on, then this might become relavent.

[BrightEyedFish]

We are about halfway to the deadline unless the day reps end early. We should begin narrowing down the wagons. I'm pretty sure there are at least some others votes on Ram. Where do you all think other wagons are forming?

on me bro

Well, I won't be putting my vote on you. You're still in my null reads and there are several more people I would like to flip before you.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still waiting for more Una catch-up posts.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm still waiting for more Una catch-up posts.

We have only a bit more than 4 days left and Una was pretty far behind

I know. I've pretty much made up my mind for my vote today.

[BrightEyedFish]

Game is stagnating

Maybe the day reps should do something?

[BrightEyedFish]

well tbh the lack of activity from town at the end of yesterday was a bad sign for this game

What do you suggest we do about it?

[BrightEyedFish]

Game is stagnating

Maybe the day reps should do something?

I can place my vote again, but you'll gonna freak out, again.

You are not the only day rep.

[BrightEyedFish]

Game is stagnating

Maybe the day reps should do something?

who is your vote on rn?

Ram

[BrightEyedFish]

do you think if the day reps ended the day right now there is a good chance of Ram getting lynched?

I honestly have no idea. The only 2 I know for sure that are voting Ram are myself and mcqueen.

[BrightEyedFish]

Game is stagnating

Maybe the day reps should do something?

I can place my vote again, but you'll gonna freak out, again.

You are not the only day rep.

True, but day reps have only vote to end day, they have no other powers, so what's your point?

You are the one who said the game was stagnant. The day reps can end the game or at least put pressure that everyone gets their vote lined up in case of the day reps end the day before the deadline. That's what I meant by suggesting the day rep's involvement can get things "unstagnant".

[BrightEyedFish]

do you think if the day reps ended the day right now there is a good chance of Ram getting lynched?

No man, it’s seemingly likelier and likelier that I’ll be the one lynched.

4 votes was enough yesterday.

exactly the point I was about to make but I was leading BEF down the path a bit first.

you literally said on the last page you had 5 vote (from memory) on you

now you (currently) are certainly right with me and I also agree with your logic - we have more votes than yesterdays lynch in a smaller pool of players, so given the relatively stagnant/disjointed state of the game I think if the day voters end now, you go.


so BEF says the day reps can do something - there is literally one thing they can do - end the day. On the LAST PAGE you pointed out you think you have 5 votes so there is a case that BEF knows this and if the day reps took his encouragement you die and BEF isn't on the wagon.

I think it's obvious what that looks like - any one else see that?

BEF wants to rush ETD to get McQueen lynched over Ram, who he claims is his #1 scumread?

This is putting words in my mouth. I never said to rush EOD. Ram is the one who said the game is getting stagnant and you're throwing this back my way?

[BrightEyedFish]

I just went and put a

VOTE: BEF

in my PT

If people don't see that case, I think I'll go TLK but I need to consider BEF / RAM / TLK are all intertwined before I do that. Something stinks.

You're welcome.

[BrightEyedFish]

Well, profii's analysis is way off.

[BrightEyedFish]

You are the one who said the game was stagnant. The day reps can end the game or at least put pressure that everyone gets their vote lined up in case of the day reps end the day before the deadline. That's what I meant by suggesting the day rep's involvement can get things "unstagnant".

Also I said that people should start plan ahead, when they decide for lynches and not lynch lurkers like D1, but you decided that part wasn't important and telling us that we should put pressure and have rushed lynch. This fear to take responsibility that turns into apathy drives me crazy every time I have to play town. Why people need stick like deadline to start doing things?

I said something along these lines about 3 days ago. No one seemed to care then.

[BrightEyedFish]

Una seems to be coming to the same conclusion as me.

[BrightEyedFish]

I guess that would make ram bef and TLK scum- that seems outrageous haha I'm probably off the mark here

I think there is a good chance you are right on 2/3 of them.

[BrightEyedFish]

My read on TLK isn't that strong anymore, cause I had forgotten that early SS soft form him (thx Una to bring it back for us) and Profil with RCE bailing from his wagon after SS claim (too lazy to go check times, but they were on last TLK's VC and disappeared in final VC)

I mentioned it a couple of days ago and you responded to my post. Don't act you forgot it...

Posts 3724 and 3725 for reference.

[BrightEyedFish]

@Cheeky Hydra

What are your thoughts on the Ram case. It's a little strange that you haven't said anything about it for a long time. Are you still grasping to your idea that Ram is obvtown?

[BrightEyedFish]

My read on TLK isn't that strong anymore, cause I had forgotten that early SS soft form him (thx Una to bring it back for us) and Profil with RCE bailing from his wagon after SS claim (too lazy to go check times, but they were on last TLK's VC and disappeared in final VC)

I mentioned it a couple of days ago and you responded to my post. Don't act you forgot it...

Posts 3724 and 3725 for reference.

What "it"? You didn't mentioned TLK soft SS - TLK saying that scum can vote him all they want and town shouldn't vote

Unless, perhaps, you know somehow that TLK isn't SS.

Try again.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF I thought you were town until I didn't.

Scum shade not to do 101:

"It's strange you haven't said anything for a long time"
"Are you still grasping to your idea"

~ C

Are you offended by my post?

It just seemed odd to me that you had very little to say on one of the main players of interest on D2, yet you have said alot about other things/players. All you said is that Ram was "obvtown" offering no more information as to why you think this or as to why the case on him is not valid.

If you really think the ram case is so pointless that you have nothing else to offer then so be it but don't get upset when I ask you about it.

[BrightEyedFish]

No I'm not offended just confused about you bringing it up specifically about us when - we have talked about Ram and I don't see how anything could have changed our opinion since then. Also the way you're phrasing your wondering looks more like you're trying to shade us than you actually being interested in anything we have to say. It makes me think that us attacking Una or possibly Nero has triggered you to start pushing us. *dear diary BEF started shading us when we were pushing on Nero/Una. Not sure what that means yet*

~ C

I have nothing against your push(es). I was trying to piece together who could possibly be voting on ram (still working on this) and I just noticed that you hadn't really said much about it though you had been regularly posting.

[BrightEyedFish]

Well BEF to clarify our stance on Ram - we have already agreed with the sore thumb theory - he could be scum however as we only have a sample size of 1 to determine how the dayreps are chosen then we would like to see if scum!ram is outted down the line when it becomes obvious he is the scum placement. For now I think it's unlikely for aforementioned reasons.

I also liked his vote on TLK so it's enough for me to try and find scum through scumhunting instead of unconfirmed tinfoil theories. If a new reason has been discussed to suspect scum Ram then you should present it again because we've probably missed it.

~ c

That's fair but I don't see it as tinfoil. There is correlation to day reps and BOONus round winners. If this fact doesn't hold weight for you yet then I can't change that with any new evidence but you should not brush it off as tin foil.

[BrightEyedFish]

The vote on SS claim, the willingness to hammer the SS claim, the possibility he is outed by the day rep selection process. If he's outed by the day rep selection process TLK is probably also scum so it's two for 1 and 3 for 1 if Karmeleon turns out scum.

I second everything in this post. Spot on.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think McQueen is town and Elsa is open wolfing.

If Elsa is open wolfing, which wouldn't be surprising considering his meta, then this post from Ram becomes more interesting.

And for second part, isn't it obvious? Elsa is my scumbuddy

[BrightEyedFish]

I think McQueen is town and Elsa is open wolfing.

How's your golf swing?

You think he's town, but you not putting any real defence to save him?

Is Elsa your strongest scumread? What about other people?

I think the real defense in case McQueen is that there is more information available that implicates you and a few others much more than McQueen.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think McQueen is town and Elsa is open wolfing.

How's your golf swing?

You think he's town, but you not putting any real defence to save him?

Is Elsa your strongest scumread? What about other people?

I think the real defense in case McQueen is that there is more information available that implicates you and a few others much more than McQueen.

You say that and Mc is main wagon, hm, interesting, is it not?

You were the main wagon before McQueen. Perhaps McQueen is the counterwagon to your wagon. Interesting, is it not?

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF I thought you were town until I didn't.

Scum shade not to do 101:

"It's strange you haven't said anything for a long time"
"Are you still grasping to your idea"

~ C

@BEF, why is your play so very different here, than in Overkill 2?

I had a totally different role than I have here. And besides I was on the defensive for most of that game due to my fake guilty.
How would you differentiate my play between these 2 games?

[BrightEyedFish]

*Do you SR me this game

I don’t know your scumgame but if you could link me to one of your scumgames, that would be awesome.

All I have to go on is Overkill 2. You seem to be sincere but I just got completely bamboozled by scum!Dunn in Excalibur, who I had been hard townreading for sincerity. \_0_/

My latest ones are Mini 2038 and Mini 2041

I can't remember the rest but on my wiki are all of my games.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF I thought you were town until I didn't.

Scum shade not to do 101:

"It's strange you haven't said anything for a long time"
"Are you still grasping to your idea"

~ C

@BEF, why is your play so very different here, than in Overkill 2?

I had a totally different role than I have here. And besides I was on the defensive for most of that game due to my fake guilty.
How would you differentiate my play between these 2 games?

You only wanted to sheep wagons for the most part and that was right from the beginning of that game - well before you made your fake guilty.

And actually, your play in that game really made no sense wrt your role. Why does a town PGO act the way you did? I would think the optimal play for a town PGO would be to blatantly obvtown it, in order to draw out the NK - not to play so suspiciously that you got nullread at best. So, you playing so very differently here wrt to that makes 0 sense. Also, you tunneling us over NAI shit and ignoring any obvious towntells, doesn’t really inspire me with confidence but it’s your vote pressure argument, that has me wondering the most. You said Profil was way off on that and I read your reaction to that as townie but it really doesn’t make sense. So, I’m wondering if I’ve been misreading what I believed was sincerity for something else? I confess, I never checked out those links you gave me. Would you mind giving them to me again? Thanks.

As you suggested my play in OK was sub par at best. I learned a few things and I am trying to progress my play. Thst being said, I had fun playing in OK but since that style didn't work out as good as it should have, why should I not try to up my game.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF I thought you were town until I didn't.

Scum shade not to do 101:

"It's strange you haven't said anything for a long time"
"Are you still grasping to your idea"

~ C

@BEF, why is your play so very different here, than in Overkill 2?

I had a totally different role than I have here. And besides I was on the defensive for most of that game due to my fake guilty.
How would you differentiate my play between these 2 games?

You only wanted to sheep wagons for the most part and that was right from the beginning of that game - well before you made your fake guilty.

And actually, your play in that game really made no sense wrt your role. Why does a town PGO act the way you did? I would think the optimal play for a town PGO would be to blatantly obvtown it, in order to draw out the NK - not to play so suspiciously that you got nullread at best. So, you playing so very differently here wrt to that makes 0 sense. Also, you tunneling us over NAI shit and ignoring any obvious towntells, doesn’t really inspire me with confidence but it’s your vote pressure argument, that has me wondering the most. You said Profil was way off on that and I read your reaction to that as townie but it really doesn’t make sense. So, I’m wondering if I’ve been misreading what I believed was sincerity for something else? I confess, I never checked out those links you gave me. Would you mind giving them to me again? Thanks.

As you suggested my play in OK was sub par at best. I learned a few things and I am trying to progress my play. Thst being said, I had fun playing in OK but since that style didn't work out as good as it should have, why should I not try to up my game.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t but the contrast beween your play in those two games, is EXTREMELY different. Don’t you agree?

It's hard for me to say if it's extremely different since that's all subjective to one's point of view but I do feel a different rhythm to my play in this game. I do think I'm in a different head space in regards to my approach in this game which in turn might put out a different flow and/or tone.

[BrightEyedFish]

You gave me the wrong number btw. 2045 is your scumgame, not 2041. Anyway, after reviewing your games, I now have a weak scumlean on you since in one of those games - 2038 I think? You were similarly tunnelly like you are here and were not at like that in any of the towngames, I compared and contrasted them with. Also, one of those games you played with Profil and he correcly scumread you and he’s also scumreading you here.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=77634

Here is a game where I tunneled Elsa as town. I didnt last long in that game but just to show that tunneling alone isn't AI with my play.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, one of those games you played with Profil and he correcly scumread you and he’s also scumreading you here.

profii shouldn't be scum reading me this game. Him comparing this game to the one you referenced is like comparing Apples and Oranges.

[BrightEyedFish]

And what about the nearby identical statement, you made to lol and Cheeky?

Throwing the same type of shade at Lol, as scum?

You're right that the posts are very similar but I don't see how any of the posts are AI in either game.
In this game my comment at cheeky was based on the idea that cheeky has posted alot but wasn't commenting on the Ram case anymore and it felt strange that they kept ignoring it.

[BrightEyedFish]

..and then it would be dave or drewVa..
Nah, I take that last part back then.
I'll be disappointed if we lynch anyone other than Creature/Ramcius.

You're reads are pretty much aligned with mine. I'm confident that Ram is the best option today and will be voting him. After Rams flip we will be able to better sort TLK and Creature/Karm.

[BrightEyedFish]

Day 2 Representatives

(expired on 2019-01-14 18:00:00) on January 14th, 2019.

Reminder to get your votes in.

[BrightEyedFish]

PP isnt happening today
thats a wasted vote

I don't think Elsa is a leading wagon either.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'll vote Ramcius but I also think it's a better vote for a later day.

What's the wagon on you, BEF or DrewVa, looking like right now?

Who is this post directed at?

[BrightEyedFish]

Guess my day rep theory was wrong. Or can anyone verify that BOONus round winners are the day reps?

[BrightEyedFish]

Aren't we not supposed to be outting winners though?

I think it's a good idea to know how the day reps are chosen.

[BrightEyedFish]

Well scum didn't go for any night 1 winners so it seems they aren't too worried about it. Whatever floats their boat.

Maybe there was scum in the previous day reps.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm fine with Bef as town. The logic behind his theory made sense. Lynching Ramcius didn't but I'm sure scum was content with letting him push that narrative.

The first 3 people who quickly threw doubt out about my Day Rep theory were:

Xt
Gamma
Profii.

[BrightEyedFish]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

Just a reminder as to why Ram is scum.

over night i cross referenced the posts people on the RAM wagon made nearest to their timestamp on their vote... this was BEFs


So he is in my lynch pool too for day rep shenanigans and the above i think

Infact - I'll start off with a BEF vote and see how it goes... voting now...

You still haven't picked up on it yet.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm fine with Bef as town. The logic behind his theory made sense. Lynching Ramcius didn't but I'm sure scum was content with letting him push that narrative.

The first 3 people who quickly threw doubt out about my Day Rep theory were:

Xt
Gamma
Profii.

Cool, is any of them scum?

Haven't decided on that. Scum knew Ram wasn't one of them so I could see my theory being an opportune time for scum to deny the theory for town cred.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm fine with Bef as town. The logic behind his theory made sense. Lynching Ramcius didn't but I'm sure scum was content with letting him push that narrative.

The first 3 people who quickly threw doubt out about my Day Rep theory were:

Xt
Gamma
Profii.

Cool, is any of them scum?

Haven't decided on that. Scum knew Ram wasn't one of them so I could see my theory being an opportune time for scum to deny the theory for town cred.

I actually find more likely for scum to deny the theory if the theory is actually false.

Well Ram flipped town so they must have knew it was false.

[BrightEyedFish]

All the dayrep stuff is noise. Let's just scumhunt.

Where do you suggest we start?

[BrightEyedFish]

Here is a list of all the day reps together to help us try and find out the conenction.

D1:
Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm

D2:
Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon

D3:
Nev and Max
Cheeky Dancer
Nero Cain
UnaBombah

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah, I think TLK made up that whole fruit thing. Just like the SS thing.

[BrightEyedFish]

I promised Ram that if he flipped town I would then hammer TLK. I will keep my word if that's the route we want to go.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah, I think TLK made up that whole fruit thing. Just like the SS thing.

Can you stop tunnelling TLK for a minute and focus on somebody else? Why would he make up the fruit thing? I want him gone, too, but very few others are worried about that right now. Even if they were, discussions are happening about N&M, CD, Elsa, and others that you rarely comment on.

So I am not allowed to have reads or suspicions that differ from yours.

If you have a specific question for me just ask.

[BrightEyedFish]

I kinda want someone to hard claim the sticky fruit to see where it went at this point so we will see

I thought TLK already did hard claim that he got a sticky fruit.