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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:47 am

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Is it possible to have multiple of the same role in this setup?

I am also a Miller.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:09 am

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I’m not even discrediting the Miller claim. I’ve been in a game with 2 Millers before and was just making sure it’s not impossible in this game. If I was trying to discredit it I wouldn’t have said I’m
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a Miller, I would have counterclaimed and voted FA. Also claiming Miller as scum in the first place is just bad because Millers need to be dealt with before Lylo and there’s no way I’d do it after someone already claimed it.

I think Elsa knows FA and I are both Town and wants 2 easy lynches by saying “well we were wrong on the first, must be the other that was faking,” and didn’t stop to think about how Town needs to feal with both Millers anyway.

VOTE: Elsa Jay
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Post Post #27 (isolation #3) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:48 am

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Apparently GiF does 2 Millers a lot in his games. That Fallout game is one of them.

In my opinion having 2 millers here is probably meant to balance something like a vig by forcing its first shot onto Town so it doesn’t hit scum N1.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #4) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:55 am

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I suppose theoretically it could be a buff to a Cop and the whole Town too. 2 Millers is 2 slots the Cop wouldn’t waste a check on functionally makkng it a 13-p game for the Cop while giving an extra Day or 2 of Town discussion (because the early game is spent on dealing with the Millers).
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Post Post #31 (isolation #5) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:34 am

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That would be hilarious but it would also mean anyone that hasn’t claimed before now has slipped that they’re either scum or a PR.
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Post Post #34 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:57 am

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In post 32, Elsa Jay wrote:... Or the VT claims are now the Millers instead.
You mean like there’s a Cop that checks for Miller or Not Miller?
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Post Post #79 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:01 pm

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Happy new year
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Post Post #90 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:04 pm

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Congratulations, you played yourself.
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Post Post #127 (isolation #9) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:51 am

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In post 124, Creature wrote:Geez I had a fitting song to start this game

What happened? Where did it go?
Was it this?

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Post Post #153 (isolation #10) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:29 pm

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I still don’t see why you’re voting Maki.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #11) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:15 pm

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In post 154, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 153, Alchemist21 wrote:I still don’t see why you’re voting Maki.
You don't see it like... You didn't see my post about her, or you don't understand it?
I don’t understand it.
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Post Post #167 (isolation #12) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:35 pm

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Oh, I get it now.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #13) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:37 pm

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He did say he doubted it’s FA though. Also he could be right about scum knowing ahead of time (it could go either way tbh due to it being Miller) but FA would still be Town for claiming first.

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=65683

Something similar happened in the game related to that scum PT where we all had the same fakeclaim. We didn’t get it until people started claiming and we realized everyone had the same flavor role that we had fakeclaims for, and claiming our specific flavor would have been a scumslip. I don’t remember who claimed first in the game thread but I’m pretty sure it was a Town slot and it was quickly followed by other slots claiming the same.

I can imagine scum in this game seeing Miller as their fakeclaim and thinking the mod lost their damn mind. I could also see the mod not hinting because Town’s early claims would make it obvious anyway. I’m still questioning the design choice here but I think there’s have to be some VTs actually mixed in to prevent anyone who didn’t claim Miller from slipping that they’re scum/PR.

I’m going to stop thinking about Miller balance now because it’s making my head spin.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #14) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:42 pm

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Townreads so far:
Frozen Angel
Sheepsaysmeep
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Post Post #172 (isolation #15) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:44 pm

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Wisdom’s being quieter than usual but that might be due to New Year’s.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #16) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:50 pm

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I’m sticking with my Elsa vote. They went from serious posting to lolposting after all the miller claims came out and I think what I said about then wanting to push me then FA holds true and now they’re hoping nobody realizes they slipped.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #17) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:07 pm

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The whole “aligning yourself” could be faked until I flipped. And really you wouldn’t have even needed to lynch FA if everyone else did it for you anyway so there’s that.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #18) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:10 pm

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What do you think about all this, Clemency?
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Post Post #272 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:23 am

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In post 252, Creature wrote:
In post 171, Alchemist21 wrote:Townreads so far:
Frozen Angel
Sheepsaysmeep
Davesaz

Creature
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Huh what?
Sheep’s doing more game solving than anyone. Fire and Dave reads are based on personal experience with them.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:27 am

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Dave’s is honestly hard to explain but the post where he complained about the noise-signal ratio is what gave me the Townread.

It’s been a while since I played with fire but he always made more serious posts as Town and only made lolposts as scum. Also the super duper secret meta that Fire and I are always the same alignment.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #21) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:37 am

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I guess none of you were around during the Nobody Special incident.

Just remember a Listmod got his status revoked because of inappropriate jokes with a minor.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:44 pm

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Does anyone have anymore reads to share?
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Post Post #440 (isolation #23) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:19 am

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In post 437, Wisdom wrote:I remember kaito blindly townreading scum maki when i was scum eith her, which is why im leaning towards the same thing happening here
Wait how does Kaito Townreading Maki make Maki scum? Maybe Kaito just blindly Townreads them always.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #24) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:54 am

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In post 441, Wisdom wrote:that was just my opinion on kaito

not why maki is scum
Then why do you think Maki is scum?
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Post Post #612 (isolation #25) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:32 am

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I've been reading the whole thing but it's all just noise to me.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #26) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:36 am

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In post 616, Firebringer wrote:@alchemist is it a pleasant noise?
Image

I'm sorry I had to.

p-edit: @Nikk Really none. It seems more a miscommunication than anything AI, but I do have to agree with Elsa that you kept taking focus elsewhere.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #27) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:40 am

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In post 627, Creature wrote:
In post 433, Alchemist21 wrote:Does anyone have anymore reads to share?
Wisdom feels town so far
What would you say is the difference between Town Wisdom and scum Wisdom.
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Post Post #638 (isolation #28) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:42 am

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In post 634, davesaz wrote:Alchemist, how much did you actually read?
All of it, though I was doing other stuff too for parts of it so it's possible I missed something important but I don't think I did.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #29) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:50 am

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In post 642, davesaz wrote:@alch: Did you catch the prevailing thoughts on Maki?
There's the idea that Maki is scum for bringing up the idea that scum were aware of the Millers. I don't think bringing that possibility up makes Maki scum because it
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a possibility (and I linked to a former game that had a similar circumstance). And I don't think Wisdom ever explained why he's scumreading Maki.
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In post 658, davesaz wrote:Alchemist says he read all that and got nothing from it. I find that really suspicious.
This is actually really common for me. I'll read through a lot of posts and it's all just NAI to me.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #31) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:16 pm

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In post 673, Pink Ball wrote:And want to add: speculate about mafia knowing about the millers: ok. Saying it in the thread: not ok.
What makes saying it in the thread so bad? Pointing out one possibility doesn't alter the reality of the situation either way.
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Post Post #680 (isolation #32) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:24 pm

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In post 679, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 676, Creature wrote:I dunno whether you would beg to be townread as town too or not, but I find it worth pushing because it's generally scummy.
This is absolutely
horrendous bullshit
and why you're scum. Plus you post it like it was actually what you were considering all along after me mentioning why it makes you scum.
Wouldn't Creature be posting a lot less if he were scum?
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Post Post #725 (isolation #33) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:17 pm

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In post 711, Maki Harukawa wrote:
In post 607, Firebringer wrote:i skimmed through maki iso and i agree with wisdom that it is scummy.

VOTE: maki
Still can't read me and you'd be townreading me if I was scum. We both know this to be true I also know you townread me when I make posts like this so let's skip the whole part and you unvote me. K? Ok.
In post 620, Creature wrote:Maki is also boring
:(
In post 629, Frozen Angel wrote:I have a fever and very likely a cold and I've been sick all day plus I had a lot of stuff to do irl hence my absence today.

Its very likely similar tomorrow unless if I feel better

so
vla for like 48 hours
Get better loser <3
In post 638, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 634, davesaz wrote:Alchemist, how much did you actually read?
All of it, though I was doing other stuff too for parts of it so it's possible I missed something important but I don't think I did.
I find it hard to believe through that whole read. What to me was if not the most telling pages yet. You thought it was all noise?
Yes. I’m not the only one who thinks so either.
In post 712, Clemency wrote:^
i swear i'm getting a soft scumlean on anyone who tried to claim the past 10 pages or so were noise

thats exactly when we started getting real
Maybe it’s AI for some of you specifically but I think the arguments could have come from either side. I don’t care how serious you were being, if it’s null to me then it’s null to me.
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Post Post #735 (isolation #34) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:38 pm

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Nikk what do you think about my reason for scumreading Elsa?
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That plus
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Post Post #744 (isolation #36) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:43 pm

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Shit like this is why I can't take Clemency seriously. Don't complain about being called noise if you're not going to respond to someone's attempts to engage you seriously.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #37) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:49 pm

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I see. And can you explain your Maki vote more? Was it purely for an informational lynch or did you have reasons to scumread Maki? I don't really see your reason for the vote beyond this quote:
In post 524, Nikk wrote:Here's where I am at now...

1. Wisdom appears to just be this way, and focusing on players who always act suspicious is bad town play
2. IF Maki flips town there is a decent reason to circle back to Wisdom and perhaps even Chara at that time.
3. IF Maki flips scum Elsa Jay is a decent next run.

I don't see us learning as much from flipping Wisdom. It just seems more flimsy then what we learn from a Maki push.

VOTE: Maki
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Post Post #764 (isolation #38) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:10 pm

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Ok. I think you're Town here since I don't think I've seen scum push for purely informational lynches like that.

p-edit: This was at Nikk.

@Pink Ball, I disagree. There are times when a Town collectively doesn't see or know why their reasoning for Townreading a slot doesn't hold up and it results in giving a scum slot a strong position in the game. I think challenging a Town's assumptions is a good thing because it helps keep faulty reads in check.
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Post Post #765 (isolation #39) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:14 pm

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In post 763, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 762, davesaz wrote:
In post 760, Pink Ball wrote:@Alch: the difference between posting or not posting the posibility of the mafia knowing about the millers beforehand is that you are throwing WIFOM in the thread for town who could haven't thought about that posibility, and mess up legitimate reads because of that. It's like saying "you're townreading this slot for the wrong reason because you're not considering this", and I think that's more scum motivated than town motivated.
It is far more dangerous for town to conftown someone who doesn't deserve it, than it is to mislynch one person over another due to WIFOM.
It is always better for town to consider possibilities and rule them out via explicitly reading people than it is to make assumptions and ignore slots.
The thing is, even if I knew that mafia knew about the millers beforehand, I would still think that Frozen Angel's claim was townie. It's not about conftowning someone for the whole game, it's leaving a slot for later resolution, which is useful in a Large where you can't concentrate in every slot. I mean, I can't, is not easy. I can't sort Elsa right now so I'm leaving her for later, for example.

And as I said in my initial post, is about *how* Maki threw that info into the thread. If she posted it like you're saying it right now it would've been different I think.
Even Maki's own posts were calling FA Towny.
In post 62, Maki Harukawa wrote:At least 1 of the millers is fake but I doubt it's FA or alch
In post 63, Maki Harukawa wrote:Is it too big a stretch to think mafia could be informed about the millers? Most likely I'll leave it be for now
I don't see how the way it was brought up is scummy.
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Post Post #766 (isolation #40) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:18 pm

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You know I'm looking back at who was on the Maki wagon I don't like Kaito's posts. He threw down votes on Maki and Wisdom no problem but keeps dancing around voting Chara. There's some kind of scum hesitation there.

VOTE: Kaito
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Post Post #770 (isolation #41) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:14 pm

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In post 769, Chara wrote:
In post 766, Alchemist21 wrote:You know I'm looking back at who was on the Maki wagon I don't like Kaito's posts. He threw down votes on Maki and Wisdom no problem but keeps dancing around voting Chara. There's some kind of scum hesitation there.

VOTE: Kaito
<3 for this vote, but why do you think he hesitates voting me, but not Maki and Wisdom?
I’m not sure; could be one of two things:

1) You’re both scum and he’s distancing.

2) He wants to sheep wagons instead of pushing one of his own to avoid negative attention.

Leaning more towards option 2 right now since an actual early vote on you would have helped it look better if he was trying to distance.
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Post Post #802 (isolation #42) » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:39 pm

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In post 800, sheepsaysmeep wrote:not goign to catch up by reading the thread im too far behind


are there any people i should iso first
Yeah ISO Kaito and see how he’s been dancing around the idea of voting Chara without committing to it.
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Post Post #806 (isolation #43) » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:20 pm

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Hoo boy. Not sure if you genuinely don't know or if you're trying to poke the bear on that one.
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Post Post #812 (isolation #44) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:07 am

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Happy birthday!
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Post Post #815 (isolation #45) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:42 am

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In post 813, Elsa Jay wrote:Thank you. Can I has a free townread plz.
Yes.
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Post Post #828 (isolation #46) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:48 pm

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In post 819, davesaz wrote:Work started, so the unusually high posting volume from me will go down.
That's a lot of townreads. Are they all equal strength? I'm mostly interested in which the weakest few might be.
Why are you interested in the weakest Townreads?
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Post Post #829 (isolation #47) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:51 pm

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Like that kinda looks like you’re looking to see where his weakest reads are to change his mind one way or the other rather than understand his strongest reads to try and better your read on him or work together with him.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #48) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:35 pm

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In post 833, Chara wrote:
In post 806, Alchemist21 wrote:Hoo boy. Not sure if you genuinely don't know or if you're trying to poke the bear on that one.
what is this referring to?
you also said you didn't find some recent pages to be more than noise.
Yeah I said it was just noise and people got mad, and it was just funny to me that he would say that nobody called me on not addressing stuff in the previous pages when that’s what already happened.
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Post Post #839 (isolation #49) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:40 pm

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And yet you still haven’t committed to the vote. Shocking!
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Post Post #841 (isolation #50) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:57 pm

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In post 840, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 837, Chara wrote:Pink, can you explain your Kaito townread, pretty please?
Yeah of course I can! Kaito's progression has been one of the best so far. He first voted Maki with a naked vote when I naked voted Maki and Maki naked voted me, so it was funny in context and called Maki out at the same time. Then went for Wisdom because Wisdom was being Wisdom and that's ok, and now he's on you because that's what he believes since the begining: that you're the Miller who fakeclaimed. Pushing both Maki and Wisdom would be a risky move for scum!Kaito when both of those players know his meta; it would be much more suitable to go under the radar (for example, that's another thing I recall Maki doing: not providing a read on Kaito when she was asked. I could say she's trying not to call Kaito's attention). Pushing you seems to have lack of scum motivation too.

Also as a sidenote, he called out Nikk for being scummy at some point iirc.
He didn’t push Maki & Wisdom though. He blindly sheeped onto their wagons without adding any input.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #51) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:01 pm

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Wait had Kaito actually voted Chara? Y’all are talking about it but I swear I haven’t seen it.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:02 pm

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In post 772, Kaito Momota wrote:
In post 409, Chara wrote:Kaito, what's your read on Maki and when did it change?
This feels like a leading question, I don't appreciate it
In post 416, Chara wrote:yeah Maki, sorry that wasn't clear.

Kaito: ignoring my questions and dancing around voting me back is a bad look. square up.
I honestly don't care enough, sorry if this seems aggressive (it is though)
In post 416, Chara wrote:yeah Maki, sorry that wasn't clear.

Kaito: ignoring my questions and dancing around voting me back is a bad look. square up.
In post 424, Firebringer wrote:
In post 406, Chara wrote:Dunn is Dunnstral, in this game Kaito.

i have no interest in voting Wisdom for being Wisdom. his meta is not that he does more as town, and less as scum. Kaito said it was, but has yet to back it up.

i do think that if he's town he needs to try coming out with more than one read.
ohhh
is chara town.

Jury still in deliberation but they really liked this.
down boy
In post 436, Chara wrote:and also Kaito has been trying to shade me without committing to a vote, and he's on Wisdom for meta he refuses to actually back up.
never mind that he's sort of just refused to interact with me since our one conversation earlier. i think it's because he doesn't want to get into it with me and distract from Wisdom wagon/make Chara vs. Kaito an actual thing.
Here you go, just so you can shut up about it:

VOTE: Chara

I'll read the rest of the game tomorrow where I'm at I'm very happy with this vote
Oh there it is. Idk how I missed it.
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Post Post #849 (isolation #53) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:23 am

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In post 846, Kaito Momota wrote:
In post 806, Alchemist21 wrote:Hoo boy. Not sure if you genuinely don't know or if you're trying to poke the bear on that one.
Are you going to ever explain this or no?
Chara wrote:Kaito has played with me a lot. i don't expect him to know every little thing about my meta, but i
know
he's aware of the big things.
i towntell when i heavily engage. i always towntell. he doesn't want to heavily engage with me, and is trying to use humour/his attitude to pretend like he doesn't care enough to. it's just a facade.

the only way Kaito is town here is if he's being so lazy he hasn't actually attempted to read me, but that "not going to be happy until Chara is dead" post pretty much discounts that.
[citation needed]
I already did.
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Post Post #850 (isolation #54) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:23 am

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Why is Pink being so defensive of Kaito though?
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Post Post #852 (isolation #55) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:20 am

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It was more of a rhetorical question but if you feel the need to answer it go ahead.
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Post Post #856 (isolation #56) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:09 am

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My bad. I forgot this started with Chara asking you about it.
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Post Post #862 (isolation #57) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:56 am

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Where the hell is everyone?
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Post Post #864 (isolation #58) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:05 am

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I just PM’d the mod asking for prods.
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Post Post #866 (isolation #59) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:22 am

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In post 865, Pink Ball wrote:I think the one who should be prodded is the mod.
That’s why I sent a PM.
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Post Post #871 (isolation #60) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:10 am

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In post 868, Wisdom wrote:can we change that final word to "lynched"
Any thoughts on the game to share?
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Post Post #892 (isolation #61) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:37 am

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You are scum. Therefore I am also scum. Discuss.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #62) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:35 pm

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In post 899, sheepsaysmeep wrote:is it just me or is elsa's mason thing relaly really ew
Are you taking it seriously? I just see it as another joke.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #63) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:34 pm

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Deadline’s in 4 days. I could vote Lady if the Kaito wagon doesn’t happen.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #64) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:43 pm

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VOTE: Lady Angel
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Post Post #946 (isolation #65) » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:09 am

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Someone said that, and Nikk just wanted a flip for info. Wisdom and Kaito both naked voted.

So that wagon appeared for a weak reason and I think scum hopped onto it. It’s what prompted me to loom at Kaito’s ISO and see the thing with Chara.

P-edit: This was a response to Dave’s post.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #66) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:52 am

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I’ll look at Lady’s post when I have more time to do so.
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Post Post #977 (isolation #67) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:35 am

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In post 969, Lady Angel wrote:I don't like the progression of having a "big scumread" on Maki then TRing her four of his posts later.
So a couple things. One, Nikk never claimed it was a big scumread on Maki, he wanted an information lynch. I’m not sure if you’re purposely shading him or misread but considering I don’t have much issue with the rest of the post then I’m guessing it’s the latter. Two, the miller claims are too numerous to lynch them all on policy.

Do you keep personal notes on games you play?
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Post Post #989 (isolation #68) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:11 pm

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In post 987, Chara wrote:miller is also one of my favourite roles next to traitor, so i acknowledge i'm biased.
You have a very odd taste in roles.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #69) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:20 pm

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@Lady, your post’s structure seemed like it, or parts of it, had already been made and it made me wonder if you were keeping notes or if someone had provided you with the post. However, your comment about staying up so late to make it makes sense.

I was also wondering why it took a wagon on you to get these reads from you, but then again I remember being the same way when I first started. All things considered I’d say you’re Town.

Vote Kaito with me?

VOTE: Kaito

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #991 (isolation #70) » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:20 pm

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Shit how did I fuck that up? Phone posting is a pain.

VOTE: Kaito
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #71) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:59 am

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Clem do you have any objections to a Kaito lynch?
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #72) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:22 am

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How do y’all feel about a Wisdom lynch then? I seriously doubt Maki flips scum here.
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #73) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:40 am

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In post 1032, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1019, Alchemist21 wrote:I seriously doubt Maki flips scum here.
based on what?
Based on how that wagon came about. It was too easy and felt like scum were just hopping onto that one.
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #74) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:45 am

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Give me one good reason to think Maki is scum.
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #75) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:22 am

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In post 1036, sheepsaysmeep wrote:dunn feels obvious town

someone try to sell me
I don’t see why Town would dance around the Chara vote like he did. He was expressing a strong read on the slot, so why would he sheep onto two other wagons without voting Chara?
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #76) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:38 pm

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In post 1042, Chara wrote:also i missed Alch's answer about Maria when i made that post. Alch, i don't like her wagon being a reason she's town. who are the scum who jumped on her wagon? it's not something you should be vague about. sure, Kaito was voting her, but not for long at all, so i'm not considering that. if she was really a mislynch that scum Kaito wanted (and i know you think he's scum) then why does he hop off, and who are the scum that stayed/joined and made the wagon feel too easy to you?
Kaito and Wisdom were both on that wagon. They’re my picks for the scum that were on it. (Yes, I know Kaito voted Wisdom at some point. That vote was also a naked vote that he didn’t have to commit to.)

On top of that the main reason for the wagon (Maki said scum could have known about Millers) was so weak that I don’t see 4 Town players all joining just for that. I believe Nikk when he said he just wanted an info flip so it leaves the other 3, and I could see where Pink was coming from when I asked him about it enough to think it comes from Town even though I disagree with him.
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #77) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:41 pm

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In post 1049, Chara wrote:
In post 1046, davesaz wrote:
In post 1042, Chara wrote:who are the scum who jumped on her wagon?
Wisdom.
i was asking Alchemist, not you. Alch doesn't scumread Wisdom as far as i can tell.
I’m scumreading him but to a lesser degree of confidence than Kaito. That’s why I offered him up as an alternative lynch but people seem even less interested in that wagon.
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #78) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:42 pm

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In post 1050, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1048, davesaz wrote:I'm absolutely never voting Maki unless Wisdom gives an actual reason.
lol
you and alchemist are really good at scumhunting
"maki isnt scum because I dislike wisdom's playstyle"
a+
I know you can do better than this as Town. The way you’re playing feels like lazy scum play.
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Post Post #1064 (isolation #79) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:44 pm

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In post 1052, Chara wrote:he also isn't scumreading her for the miller comment. nothing in his ISO indicates that.
I haven’t seen anything to indicate why Wisdom is voting for that slot at all.
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Post Post #1066 (isolation #80) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:47 pm

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In post 1060, Chara wrote:i felt that Kaito committed more to the Wisdom vote than the Maki one. he actually gave reasoning for it, and hopped off of Maki pretry quickly. he continued to push Wisdom until i annoyed him into voting me.
What was his reason for the Wisdom vote? Because I don’t remember ever seeing one.
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #81) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:50 pm

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In post 1063, Chara wrote:scum Wisdom can do a lot better too. how are you reading the difference in town or scum laziness?
It’s been a while since I played with Wisdom and I’m not sure I’ve actually seen his scum game. I just remember Wisdom being the guy who always had the highest post counts in games. That said I feel like Town wisdom gives us more reads and tries to say more than “Maki is scum. ‘Nuff said.”
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #82) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:54 pm

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In post 1068, Chara wrote:
In post 243, Kaito Momota wrote:
In post 242, Wisdom wrote:
In post 227, Maki Harukawa wrote:Wisdoms sideline play letting everyone talk yet still letting the wagon carry on is really bad.
yeah this is scum
maki has played like 10 games with me and has no excuse to say such bs
Sorry but no, you're looking pretty scum rn, you say things like this but you're usually scum when your posting is weak like this
Hmm, I missed this part. Weird that it didn’t become a bigger deal. Usually one side or the other would have posted some links for proof of their meta arguments but in this case neither did.

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Post Post #1076 (isolation #83) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:05 pm

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Wait I was in that game. Why I don’t I remember him being there or any of those posts?
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #84) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:08 pm

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Man my memory sucks.
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #85) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:08 am

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Clem’s someone I wouldn’t mind seeing gone.

VOTE: Clemency

P-edit: What is your objection to the wagon?
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #86) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:11 am

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In post 1216, Pink Ball wrote:I thought that Wisdom could be a N0 cop with a guilty on Maki
Seriously?
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #87) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:24 am

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In post 1241, Nikk wrote:I've...never heard that logic...seems unusual.
No he’s right. Any flip is better than no flip.
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #88) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:40 am

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In post 1245, Nikk wrote:
In post 1244, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1241, Nikk wrote:I've...never heard that logic...seems unusual.
No he’s right. Any flip is better than no flip.
I've heard that. I've not heard town flip is better than scum flip.
Instinctively scum flips are always preferred, but somewhere on the site there are stats that show D1 scum lynches usually end in Town losses so what Dunn is arguing isn’t unfounded. Personally I think that stat is probably more of a symptom than a cause though.
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #89) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:46 am

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I don’t know. Dunn probably meant getting rid of bad Town is +ev but I’m just saying that the idea of a Town lynch being better might not be wrong.
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Post Post #1293 (isolation #90) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:57 am

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You’re not even gonna claim which role? Fake.
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Post Post #1300 (isolation #91) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:04 am

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In post 1297, Creature wrote:Clemency
davesaz
Chara
Pinkball
and me

hmm, we need three more.
What is this list?
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Post Post #1301 (isolation #92) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:06 am

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In post 1298, Clemency wrote:"you're trying to limit the amount of information you give to the scum? haha fake"
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #93) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:21 pm

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Every wagon that gets proposed has a significant number of people against it. It’s starting to get annoying and we need more cohesion than this.
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #94) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:49 pm

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In post 1306, Creature wrote:
In post 1304, Alchemist21 wrote:Every wagon that gets proposed has a significant number of people against it. It’s starting to get annoying and we need more cohesion than this.
What about someone outside my townlist?
Kaito and Wisdom qualify for that but they’re also some of the wagons I’ve described. At this point I think I’d be willing to compromise on anyone outside your list except maybe Lady - her latest posts were solid enough that I think she’s worth keeping.
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Post Post #4232 (isolation #95) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:00 am

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Good game everyone!
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Post Post #4233 (isolation #96) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:13 am

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In post 4224, Nero Cain wrote:Nancy is my 42.

Fire is 313.

Chara is 111.

Aclem is 213

Jingle is 511
Are you saying Nancy is your meaning in life?
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Post Post #4250 (isolation #97) » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:02 pm

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Fair point.
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