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Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:09 am

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Yes, I know it's been tried before. Yes, I know it always dies. Yes, I'm going to try it anyway.

Rules found here. /in in this thread and add your name to the wiki page. Once we have three people, start proposing and voting!
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Post Post #3 (isolation #1) » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:58 am

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P001:
A currency shall be established called Reputation. When a proposal is passed, the creator of said proposal shall gain a number of Reputation equal to the number of votes for said proposal. Additionally, all players who voted for said proposal shall gain 1 Reputation. This applies retroactively.
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Post Post #4 (isolation #2) » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:02 am

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VOTE: Yea P001
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Post Post #6 (isolation #3) » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:26 am

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VOTE: Abstain P002

P001 passes with 2 yea votes out of 3 active player votes
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Post Post #14 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:55 am

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VOTE: Yea P003
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Post Post #15 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:00 am

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P004:
If a proposal has been under debate for a week without reaching a quorum of yeas or nays, it shall be passed or refused based on whether it has more yeas or nays.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #6) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:03 pm

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P005:
Any proposal currently under discussion can be altered by the player who proposed it, so long as the major focus of the proposal is not altered. When the player does such, all votes for the proposal except for that of the player who proposed it are removed.

P006:
If players disagree about the legality of a rule or the interpretation of a rule, a player can request a Call for Judgement, beginning with CfJ001. Any player may propose a verdict for the disagreement, beginning with CfJ001-V1. Players use vote tags to support a verdict, in the form VOTE: CfJ001-V1. Players who propose a verdict assumed to be voting for their own verdict until they vote otherwise.

Once a verdict reaches a majority of active player's votes, it is determined as the official ruling on the Call for Judgement. If all players are voting for a verdict, the verdict with the most votes wins. If there is a tie, the verdict proposed by the player with more reputation wins. If there is still a tie, the CfJ is not resolved until the circumstances change.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:57 am

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HURT: P007, P008
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Post Post #29 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:01 am

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Please keep track of which proposals are still undergoing discussion. I try to keep the wiki up to date, but I can't always. Right now with 5 players, any proposal with 3 yeas or 3 nays is enacted or refused respectively.
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Post Post #30 (isolation #9) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:09 am

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P009: Rule Titles

Rules shall have titles; any proposal suggesting a rule must also suggest a title for said rule. Existing rules can be given titles or have their titles altered by titling proposals, beginning with T001.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #10) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:56 am

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P007 and P008 fail, P009 passes

HEAL: P010
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Post Post #35 (isolation #11) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:52 am

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Just as I finished updating the wiki, I see this! Of course!
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Post Post #37 (isolation #12) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:59 am

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Just for posterity, gonna write this here. As of the passing of P010, reputation is as follows:
Allo: 18
Charles: 10
Skitter: 6
Vizzy: 8
2.718: 0
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Post Post #39 (isolation #13) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:01 am

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VOTE: Nay P011
I don't think that's the solution. I'm willing to put more work in then everyone else, I just want some of you to at least try to edit the wiki sometimes.
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Post Post #41 (isolation #14) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:07 am

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Thanks.

I'm too lazy to do this myself, but if someone could come up with a list of title proposals for existing rules, I would be extremely grateful.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:40 am

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R202 could be shortened to just Naming System and R204 is ridiculously long - how about Minimum Number of Votes for Mutable Rules. Also, P012 causes R207 and P011 to conflict. When you invoke R303 to change it I will vote yea. Also, R304 could be changed to Calls for Judgement, R301 to Reputation, and R203 to Amendments.
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Post Post #44 (isolation #16) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:46 am

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P013: Judicial Precedent

The verdicts of CfJs should always remain consistent with prior CfJs and establish similar verdicts for similar situations, barring a rule change having altered the situation.

P014: Spirit of the Rules

The spirit of the rules should always take precedence over technical loopholes.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #17) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:24 am

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In post 47, Charles510 wrote:Who knows what the spirit of a rule is? The rules should always be followed to the letter, including technical loopholes. Be sure to put the spirit of the rule as part of the text of the rule.
Found the lawyer.

This is why we have Calls for Judgement. That rule can't really be enforced, but it's meant more as a guideline for determining the correct verdict for a CfJ. The spirit is whatever the plurality decides, because that's how CfJs work.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #18) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:56 am

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In post 51, skitter30 wrote:oh wait i think p012 passed already, whoops
Yeah, it did. Just make a new proposal to repeal it and add it as an amendment. Remember - if you're not enacting a new rule, you don't need a title.

HEAL: T001, P015
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Post Post #58 (isolation #19) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:13 am

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T002

R101: Authority of Rules
R102: Players
R103: Ability to Change Rules
R104: Editing and Deleting Posts
R105: Dominance of Immutable Rules
R106: Player Votes
R107: Transmutation of Immutable Rules
R108: Transmutation of Mutable Rules
R109: Voting Threshold Definitions
R110: New Rules
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Post Post #61 (isolation #20) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:16 am

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P019 is totally unfair, but I don't want to vote against it for fear of it passing, and it is legal according to the rules. Goddamnit! VOTE: Abstain: P019 till I know what other people are doing.

HURT: P016 What does "eliminated" mean? I'm not a fan of permanently removing players.
HEAL: P017, P018, P020 P020 is a bit generous, but it can't hurt.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:18 am

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In post 60, Invisibility wrote:HEAL: P017, P018
HURT: P016
P019 and P020 don't count as real proposals because they don't have titles.
P020 does have a title: "Rate-Limiting Proposals". P019 doesn't establish a new rule so it doesn't need one... wait a minute...

CfJ001:
There is no provision in the rules for one-time effects. Thus, this CfJ is established to determine the legality of P019.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #22) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:23 am

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P021: Rule Violations

Any player found guilty of breaking the rules by verdict of a CfJ shall be penalized 2 Reputation for every broken mutable rule and 5 Reputation for every broken immutable rule.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #23) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:23 am

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In post 67, Charles510 wrote:P016 - P019 all do not have titles, so they are all invalid.
None are new rules. P016-P018 are amendments, and P019 is a one-time effect - see CfJ001.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:28 am

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CfJ001-V2:
As there is no provision in the rules for one-time events, P019 shall be declared null and void. The rationale for this verdict over V1 is that Calls for Judgement should aim to be as unintrusive to the game as possible and are intended to determine the interpretation of the rules. V1 aims to establish a new rule, rather than interpret existing rules.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:29 am

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HURT: P022 Not necessary, look at R304 "Players who propose a verdict assumed to be voting for their own verdict until they vote otherwise."
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Post Post #81 (isolation #26) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:51 am

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In post 77, Charles510 wrote:
CfJ001-V3:
As there is no provision in the rules for one-time events, P019 should be interpreted as a new rule proposal.
But because it doesn't have a title, it would be in violation of R305, would it not? Making V2 the correct verdict here.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:57 am

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I guess that leaves skitter as the deciding vote in the CfJ
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Post Post #86 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:09 am

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In post 85, 2 718281828459 wrote:Also, HURT: P021 because it does not specify whether or not it applies retroactively. I would, however, support one that explicitly states it does NOT work retroactively.
You don't want one the DOES because you're afraid of CfJ001?
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Post Post #94 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:10 pm

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HURT: P031
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Post Post #98 (isolation #30) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:20 am

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The wiki is a community resource. You may do that if you like; there are no rules governing the use of the wiki.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #31) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:17 am

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CfJ001-V4:
As P019 has since been withdrawn, this Call for Judgement shall be resolved with no further action.
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Post Post #101 (isolation #32) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:39 am

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Also, what's the deal with 68 hours? HURT: P029 until you make it a multiple of 24.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #33) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:18 am

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HEAL: P028
HURT: P024, P027
I'm wary, but HEAL: P030
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Post Post #106 (isolation #34) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:23 am

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Reminder: P030 requires unanimity (only yeas and abstentions)
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Post Post #108 (isolation #35) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:18 am

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Post Post #109 (isolation #36) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:27 am

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Gonna need decisions from 2 718281828459, Charles510, and skitter30 regarding the choice in P027.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #37) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:45 am

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P031

This proposal repeals R311 and amends its text to R304. It also repeals R313 and appends its text to R306.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #38) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:45 am

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In case you guys didn't know, this game is a slightly modified version of Allomancer's Nomic 1.0, which was a heavily modified version of Nomic - Codename Phoenix by Ircher, one of the first Mish Mash games I played on site back in 2016. I'm going to look at some rules from that, as well as some from Ircher's original Nomic, for inspiration. For reference, [url=
search.php?keywords=Nomic&terms=all&aut ... mit=Search]here[/url] are all Nomic games played on site. More to come later.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #39) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:48 am

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Links broken, shit. Full link for reference:

search.php?keywords=Nomic&terms=all&aut ... mit=Search
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Post Post #119 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:31 am

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HEAL: P032

P033: Reputation Tracker

The official reputation tracker for the game shall be found here. All occurrences which cause someone to gain or lose reputation shall be recorded in it. It counts as within the realm of the rules as per R101.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #41) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:46 pm

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sorry vizzy. come back anytime :(
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Post Post #124 (isolation #42) » Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:34 pm

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I posted in the Mish Mash games thread saying we welcome new players so hopefully someone joins...
Don't worry though, all Nomics must die. I'm just upset we're only at one-hundred and change posts when some have gone upwards of 300.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #43) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:09 am

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HEAL: P034, P036
HURT: P035
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Post Post #132 (isolation #44) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:41 am

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It's dead.
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