Large Normal 216 - Endgame

[xx2008]

Why does flavor leaf have his username in green?
VOTE: Flavor leaf

[xx2008]

Sorry I didn't see that part that said he was town.
VOTE: RCenigma

[xx2008]

It's kind of hard to see everything in the post on a small screen.

[xx2008]

@Creature, that chart is for posts you like, don't like, or find neutral, as I've found while Reading through. But why do you say like/don't like rather than scummy or town?
Let me vote you.
VOTE: creature

[xx2008]

By the way, there were so many posts while I was away, and I didn't think I was away for that long. I guess a large normal game will have a large number of posts.

[xx2008]

What was the wagon on ap for, by the way?

[xx2008]

That above post I agree with, to be honest.

[xx2008]

I'm townreading creature and completely trustworthy.

[xx2008]

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.

[xx2008]

I'm new to large normals, so is it natural for it to get this many posts in such a short time?

[xx2008]

"Isn't Creature supposed to be easily readable by post count/effort?"
Unless his scum meta changed considerably , then that's how I read creature too.

Theory:
>Scum!Creature would use this reasoning to active post initially in a game, then would nightkill everyone who townread him based on this meta reason, and then go back to scum!lurking with the entire graveyard saying he's locktown based on meta.

So, while I'm not saying I think Creature is particularly scummy this game, I don't think that him copy/pasting a list a few times is a good reason to townread him quite yet thanks.

I don't think this is true. More likely, a scum would keep whoever townreads them alive.

[xx2008]

I'm new to large normals, so is it natural for it to get this many posts in such a short time?

it depends on the playerlist more than anything


side note: i think that creatures reads thing will prove to be unsustainable after this day phase

Regarding the side note, I guess this could be true. I don't think anyone would have enough time to post reads like this for every person, especially in a large game like this.

[xx2008]

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

[xx2008]

Your posts sounded strange. They seemed like you were trying to find everything that was wrong about Nosferatu.

[xx2008]

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

nah doubt

i dont think scum would offer up an iso like that as like "look im doing something" i feel like they would know that they were basically coasting and try to take away attention from it.

so im moving him up in my reads

Yeah, perhaps this could be true. However, I just don't feel like those posts sound right.

[xx2008]

I can understand both of your points, but Nosferatu's posts seem a lot more relaxed and likely to come from town. However, Sephiroth, your posts are somewhat leaning scummy.

[xx2008]

I can understand both of your points, but Nosferatu's posts seem a lot more relaxed and likely to come from town. However, Sephiroth, your posts are somewhat leaning scummy.

You are welcome to that read, but this is also just kind of how I talk.

You do seem that way when I read your posts.
UNVOTE: for now.

[xx2008]

I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

[xx2008]

I would still like XX to answer the question I gave him in 153. Profii, I would have liked for you to not say it was probably a noob tell, its better to wait for someone else to offer an explanation.

I think through my reads, and if I realize one of them was a faulty one, I change my vote. I also tend to look at posts in the order that they were made, so whenever that happens it's because I was still looking at previous posts I missed while I posted that.

[xx2008]

I also sometimes like to look back at the reads I've already made, and re-think them.

[xx2008]

If I kept up my list, Nos would probably have a lot of greens

Are you still going to keep up that list? It is pretty difficult keeping track of everyone's posts, especially in a large game.

[xx2008]

xx2008/

Carcalilly

/Maxous/Garmr/Inferno390/Creature/FA_Q2/

Shattiel

/Completly Trustworthy/Flubbernugget/DVa

This is how my "unsorted" lynch pool looks like. The others are either TRs or Town leans for now.

Out of the crowd I'm slightly more pinged by the bolded. Carca basically for doing the exact same thing she did in a recent previous game when she was scum and tried to fake a connection with a town slot. Shattiel bc I suspect this to be someone I know and the 2nd post of hers (she only posted 2) is somewhat worrying if my guess is correct.

Of the two I'd give Shattiel a bit more time, but if this lurking continues and she only pops up to say "hi, I'm here, greetings," and so forth I suggest to lynch with fire. Also if she decides to completely vanish off the face of the planet we should lynch the slot. (If anyone knows for sure who Shattiel is and can confirm she's

not the person I'm describing

step up now, please).

Also keeping an eye on Creature. It's not the count of his posts, but rather the content. So far it's a lot of noise so it's NAI, because that's how he would start the game as either alignment of late. As Town though he will provide some reads and commit to them (sometimes spot on, sometimes garbage reads, but he will commit to them and argue for his PoV). As scum he still finds it hard to come up with a good reason to vote anyone, so there's that.

I need more time to try and sort Maxous, FA_Q2 & Flubber. I can't promise I'll ever return a confident read on the likes of Garmr, Inferno & DVa, but we will see.

xx & CT I'll leave for someone else to sort.

Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.

[xx2008]

@Creature, that chart is for posts you like, don't like, or find neutral, as I've found while Reading through. But why do you say like/don't like rather than scummy or town?
Let me vote you.
VOTE: creature

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.

I've been taking a look at few isos I think someone may have pointed this out before? Not sure

But you voted him for the same reason you townread him later? I don't think your question to creature even clarified anything.
Then theres Seph push then pull also the posts in reply to AP's about me.
Theres alot of throwing shits to see what sticks.
xx2008 is prob a newbie but I don't think he deserves a vip pass

I made that vote on creature to get a reaction from him. Then, I unvote him later, after re-thinking the situation. Creature seems town to me.

[xx2008]

@Creature, that chart is for posts you like, don't like, or find neutral, as I've found while Reading through. But why do you say like/don't like rather than scummy or town?
Let me vote you.
VOTE: creature

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.

I've been taking a look at few isos I think someone may have pointed this out before? Not sure

But you voted him for the same reason you townread him later? I don't think your question to creature even clarified anything.
Then theres Seph push then pull also the posts in reply to AP's about me.
Theres alot of throwing shits to see what sticks.
xx2008 is prob a newbie but I don't think he deserves a vip pass

I made that vote on creature to get a reaction from him. Then, I unvote him later, after re-thinking the situation. Creature seems town to me.

How did creatures reaction help you deduce he is town

Creature seemed calm, and re-thinking the situation, I realized that making such a list of all the posts is a towny action itself. First, it takes a lot of work to make the chart and keep track of all the posts, which is probably why he stopped making the chart after a while. Secondly, it's a window into his alignment.

[xx2008]

What is with the wagon on shattiel? I haven't read through and I don't have the time to do so right now, sorry.

[xx2008]

I'm not sure why dva and creature think Sephiroth and flubbernugget are scummy, and why they changed votes after only two or so posts.

[xx2008]

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?

Doing an ISO on flubber right now. What I find from this post is, creature isn't counting posts he finds towny or scummy; he's only counting posts he likes or dislikes. Creature not liking someone's post does not mean creature will vote that person. I don't think this post is towny, but I also would not find it very scummy.

[xx2008]

VOTE: DVa

VOTE: creature

It doesn't make sense to me why you voted dva and immediately changed your vote to creature.

[xx2008]

So this is a pretty big lynch pool. Even for a wip. I am going to be paying close attention to how it gets whittled down.

What does it mean to have players in it that you cant sort? And why cant you sort them?

In a 20 man game I don't see a problem with a wide early game lynchpool.

Why is Carca bolded here but not addressed in your questioning?

Did AP catch a partner or two in that net?

There's 12 people in the pool. That's 60% of the game. That's like (generously) saying you're okay to lynch 5 out of 9 in a micro.

Additionally, poe in a large is significantly worse than that ratio gives off just because most people can only hold a small list of ideas at one time. There's a lot of room for scum to hide in that mental load. I get that sometimes the whole game just looks town, but when that happens to me, I try to be as precise about why I am town reading each individual as possible.

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to ask about carca. AP bolded that and I do think they explained why in the same post.

I kind of agree with this, because it wouldn't make sense to have a lynchpool of 12 people. How will this pool be narrowed down?

[xx2008]

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?

Doing an ISO on flubber right now. What I find from this post is, creature isn't counting posts he finds towny or scummy; he's only counting posts he likes or dislikes. Creature not liking someone's post does not mean creature will vote that person. I don't think this post is towny, but I also would not find it very scummy.

It's more posts that ping town, that ping scum and that I can't determine.

Though, the way it worked wouldn't be as simple as just check the highest red count.

I can see that keeping a chart is diffficult, and not always will the highest red count yield a scumread.

[xx2008]

as for the rest of flubber's posts, I seem to have mixed feelings regarding them. They dont seem very towny, but they don't seem very scummy either. I'm not ready to put my vote on flubber yet.

[xx2008]

I realized I had forgotten to do an ISO on sephiros, which I soon do.

[xx2008]

What is townie about Sephiroth or flubber? That is the question I am asking right now. Do you see anything that indicates a town thought process?

why is scummy about Sephiroth?
I can find zero explanation from you about it.
Instead you're just trying to get people to prove he's town.

Regarding dva's post, it does not say that Sephiroth and flubber are scummy. It only asks if anyone can find anything towny about them, which I think is a rhetorical question. I have mixed feelings towards flubber right now.

[xx2008]

Sepihroth is the big bad, though.

Through my entire read through I was thinking “yup, one of Nosf or Seph are definitely scum”

And it’s Seph.

I'm curious as to why you think Seph is scum. I'm doing an iso on him when I get the time to do so, but I'd like to know your perspective.

[xx2008]

I'm better off doing an iso on a computer, where quoting is much easier, so that's why I'm choosing not to do one on phone right now.

[xx2008]

I can understand both of your points, but Nosferatu's posts seem a lot more relaxed and likely to come from town. However, Sephiroth, your posts are somewhat leaning scummy.

You are welcome to that read, but this is also just kind of how I talk.

I guess that could be the case. I don't think anyone would fake by saying "that's just kind of how I talk", especially for someone who has been on the site for a long time, where people will probably know the truth about it already.
I've said previously I think the 1v1 between seph and nosf is more likely a misunderstanding and a 1v1.

[xx2008]

I wanted to policy lynch AP coming into this game but he's growing on me now.

You have to admit the whole thing is a little charming.

Why did you want to policy lynch ap coming into the game?

[xx2008]

VOTE: ofrhz

Strange how you're voting ofrhz without providing a reason.

[xx2008]

I don't think seph is incredibly scummy, but I do have to say, skimming his other posts I find he is not very towny either. He's in the middle.

[xx2008]

@dva, I do have mixed feelings towards flubber and Sephiroth, but I don't think that they are completely scummy, as you implied with your rhetorical question. I'm giving you a little pressure right now.
VOTE: dva

[xx2008]

I'm glad to see gamma emerald analyzing the posts page by page. As scum, I would probably let the posts be buried and not comment on them. I have a good feeling about gamma.

[xx2008]

I'm not sure why everyone is voting Sephiroth. I don't find him super scummy. I think this is a scum-driven wagon, but I might be wrong.

[xx2008]

I kind of think the wagon on sephiroth was scum driven, and dva is my prime suspect.

[xx2008]

I skimmed through the posts I missed, and I kind of feel like dva is somewhat scummy in terms of wagons, but I can also see some genuine scum hunting.

[xx2008]

I skimmed through ofrhz's posts, and some of them do appear to be scum playing poorly. I've seen him twice vote someone simply because others were voting that person.

[xx2008]

VOTE: ofrhz
I forgot to vote him.

[xx2008]

With Gamma emerald going page-by-page and reading every post, I have a good solid townread on him. Replacing into a game, what I would expect scum to do is to simply play along without analyzing the previous posts.
Now, I'm starting to get a very slight townlean on flubber. Something just tells me very slightly his posts are town. Possibly because of his tone.
What is a scum theater, by the way?

[xx2008]

By the way, @gamma emerald, how long do you think it will be before you catch up completely?

[xx2008]

There are a lot of posts in this game, and it is getting more posts every day.

[xx2008]

My scumreads are currently dva and ofhrz.

[xx2008]

The tones of recent dva posts make me change my mind about her. I re-read her earlier posts, and putting it together, I kind of see a genuine scumhunter. I'm not sure why in my last post I included her in my scumread list. I must have made a mistake while posting too quickly.
Personally, I wouldn't think flubber is guaranteed scum. I wouldn't say he is exactly the towniest, though.
Regarding ofrhz, he has been sheeping in this game, and I don't really like that. I think it is probably poor scum play.

[xx2008]

Second
I'm guesssing the scum chose dva because she was the one pushing that flubber wagon.

[xx2008]

I'm pretty sure some of the later votes on the flubber wagon were not scum votes, by the way. My theory is that scum wouldn't risk bussing this early in the game, considering that flubber is getting closer and closer to being hammered, and that there are likely only about 4 scum in the game. A scum lynch on the first day is something that will damage scum a lot.

[xx2008]

@maxous, flubber did appear somewhat in the middle, although he did lean scum/town at times. I was even a little surprised when he flipped scum. AP might be being cautious and not wanting to vote someone unless they he was more certain they are scum.

[xx2008]

I don't have much time, but I'm curious why people are all of a sudden voting me without saying why.

[xx2008]

Does IC mean a role that is revealed at the start of the game?
What does a strongman do?
I haven't heard of them before, but I always keep forgetting to ask.

[xx2008]

@fl, you hammered flubber day1 very quickly without waiting for his claim. Were there any reasons other than the ones you stated day1 for doing so?

[xx2008]

Does IC mean a role that is revealed at the start of the game?
What does a strongman do?
I haven't heard of them before, but I always keep forgetting to ask.

@fl, you hammered flubber day1 very quickly without waiting for his claim. Were there any reasons other than the ones you stated day1 for doing so?

These are very, very weird questions to ask. Anyway, an IC revealed means that person is the designated Inexperienced Challenged guy for the game. A strongman just means a role that is strong enough that, if he targets a tpr, he ends up wiping out the rest of the tprs in the game. Sad and super powerful , I know.

I reviewed Varsoon, FL, and your game where you were tpr Town Tracker with my friend James Doakes the jk. I didn't get a newbie vibe like the one you have in this game. GE somehow tr on you and I don't recall ap mentioning a read on you.

AP what do you think of xx & my case on him. He's in my scum pool. Why on earth he wavered on you and flubb, is suspicious.

Why do you think they are weird questions? I have heard of the IC role under a different name before, but I have never heard of a strongman. I didn't think it was much of a different role at first, but things started to get a little confusing, so that's why I asked.

[xx2008]

I haven't played games this large before, so this is a pretty new experience. Newbie-type games I have been playing before I joined mafiascum.

[xx2008]

I was kind of confused about what IC stood for, because IC stood for inexperience challenged in my newbie games. I remember hearing innocent child as IC even in a newbie game, but it wasn't mentioned that much and was probably only a joke that I didn't get.
It might be that I was also playing a recently-finished newbie game with fl as IC (as inexperience challenged), so I was mixing things up on accident.

[xx2008]

I looked at ap from the previous day, and even though it's hard to explain, his posts make me want to target him if I were an investigatting town PR. I just have a feeling that he is one fo those people who need a check on them to be certain about reads. Maybe the motion detector revealed another town PR investigating him?

[xx2008]

I love it when people go "If there was motion on/from that slot they must be scum"! Motion Detector cannot even tell if I performed an action or one was performed on me (or both).

But sure, lynch me. The game is not fun and my role isn't fun either. I don't even know why it exists in the first place.

I mean, I do see the functionality from a mechanical PoV, but it tells

me

nothing, so I'm probably shooting blanks in all directions.

Are you loyal vig? I love that as a role.

If I was I would have never acted.
I'm DISloyal RB. This means I don't even know if my action succeeded or not. I targeted Maxous. It was between him and Shattiel for me.

I think these two posts go hand-in-hand with one another. The disloyal Roleblocker doesn't seem to be that helpful of a role. The fact that the first post was made before the second also makes it seem more real.

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The Role Itself

Disloyal is a role modifier conceived as a complement to the earlier Loyal modifier. If a player is Disloyal, then any attempts by that player to use a night action on a player with the same alignment will fail (as though they had been roleblocked). As such, a disloyal player can only succeed with actions when targeting a player of a different alignment.

-Considering rule 15 of how there could multiple folks with same abilities, the rb portion of his claim doesn't sound outlandish...dva also had a similar ability
-I need to re ISO ap to see if his post about max & shat, even make sense
-If he's disloyal rb tpr & targeted someone, they must target a player opposite their alignment to have their action go through.
If he's scum disloyal rb & targeted someone, same as above so his role is risky either way...as a negative utility role.

Setup Speculations

1. mafia: disloyal rb, informed goon, 1-2 more scum
town: n2+n3 stopper, multi joat, IC, maybe 1-3 more tprs based on NRG balancing

2. mafia: informed goon, 2-3 more scum
town: n2+n3 stopper, mult joat, IC, disloyal rb, 1-2 more tprs based on NRG balancing

I see either case is possible .

More Thoughts About Disloyal Rb Claim from AP

See, this is why I wanted to wait for my targets to say something to my actions on the, BEFORE I outed my results. But now, who knows if AP is fabricating this as a scum story because he just so conveniently targeted maxous also.
Has anyone EVER seen a disloyal tpr? This is the first I've even heard of it.

AP remind us - why did you target max??

Consider this: if town ap thought max was scum, then his disloyal role means max HAS to hit someone of OPPOSITE alignment in order for his role to work. If max was indeed scum, then max OBVIOUSLY would target OPPOSITE ALIGNMENT aka anyone other than his team. Now, if max turned out to be a tpr too, then town ap shouldn't even risk it because what if tpr max had a protect or some other good ability to help town - then ap would've neutralized max's role. So ideally ap needs to have waited until another night to use his ability, because on n1 he could've neutralized tpr.
Am I understanding this correctly?

Now that I've seen this, I have a much better idea of what a disloyal rb does. I like the reasoning in this post, especially those involving alignments. I also like the reasoning behind the setup speculations.

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Generally speaking I use implicit WIFOM for my targeted actions. For example, if I was a Doctor I would have more likely protected Profii. Why Profii? Bc I hard TR him. Why not FL? Because Scum will assume he will be protected anyway. What if Scum have a strongman shot? Then my protection on FL would have been useless anyway.

If I was an explicit investigative (say a Cop) I would have checked in Maxous Shattiel, and not in people already in my lynch pool. I'd worry more about the scum I might not want to lynch (i.e. not including in my lynchpool) than the one(s) I already have in my lynchpool.

Got it?

This I agree with, and has been a strategy I used sometimes in irl mafia. But, supposing one were scum, one might think town pr's would think this way, and actually target fl instead of another target. It's hard to predict what the scumteam would do as town and what tpr's would do as scum, which makes the game very complex.

[xx2008]

I'm very busy right now, so I will finish reading later.

[xx2008]

Generally speaking I use implicit WIFOM for my targeted actions. For example, if I was a Doctor I would have more likely protected Profii. Why Profii? Bc I hard TR him. Why not FL? Because Scum will assume he will be protected anyway. What if Scum have a strongman shot? Then my protection on FL would have been useless anyway.

If I was an explicit investigative (say a Cop) I would have checked in Maxous Shattiel, and not in people already in my lynch pool. I'd worry more about the scum I might not want to lynch (i.e. not including in my lynchpool) than the one(s) I already have in my lynchpool.

Got it?

AP I don't get how you progressed from max not being in your lynchpool & being town, to rbing him on n1, to saying his case on you is scummy.

PLEASE.. when I link a game I do mean for people to at least go check it.

When I intent to block X I do NOT explicitly put them in my SRs. When I want to investigate X I do NOR put them in my SRs either.

When I want to

protect

someone it would most probably be someone I expect scum would kill that night and not necessarily my top TR.

If I wanted to VIG someone it will be from the "turbulent middle area" on my read list, not the ones at the bottom.

When I removed Shattiel from my lynchpool that was my intended RB target. Then I decided Maxous was more worthy of my "love touch" to I switched them. I didn't have a strong TR on him.

@FL: I get that. I got it the first time too. Problem is [redacted][redacted][reacted] so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't fully trust your read. Not that I have a "strong" read on Maxous anyway, but he's not in my lynch pool for D1, so it would take me more than just your word of honour to sheep you there.

^^ See? I wasn't sure (and I was also teasing FL about his shitty play in another game that has now ended). THIS is the point where I decided I'd go for Max rather than Shattiel.

I think these two posts seem to contradict one another. reading one posts and then the other , it's pretty clear they don't exactly express the same thoughts.

[xx2008]

Generally speaking I use implicit WIFOM for my targeted actions.

For example, if I was a Doctor I would have more likely protected Profii. Why Profii? Bc I hard TR him.

Why not FL? Because Scum will assume he will be protected anyway. What if Scum have a strongman shot? Then my protection on FL would have been useless anyway.

If I was an explicit investigative (say a Cop) I would have checked in Maxous Shattiel, and not in people already in my lynch pool. I'd worry more about the scum I might not want to lynch (i.e. not including in my lynchpool) than the one(s) I already have in my lynchpool.

Got it?

AP I don't get how you progressed from max not being in your lynchpool & being town, to rbing him on n1, to saying his case on you is scummy.

PLEASE.. when I link a game I do mean for people to at least go check it.

When I intent to block X I do NOT explicitly put them in my SRs. When I want to investigate X I do NOR put them in my SRs either.

When I want to

protect

someone it would most probably be someone I expect scum would kill that night and not necessarily my top TR.

If I wanted to VIG someone it will be from the "turbulent middle area" on my read list, not the ones at the bottom.

When I removed Shattiel from my lynchpool that was my intended RB target. Then I decided Maxous was more worthy of my "love touch" to I switched them. I didn't have a strong TR on him.

@FL: I get that. I got it the first time too. Problem is [redacted][redacted][reacted] so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't fully trust your read. Not that I have a "strong" read on Maxous anyway, but he's not in my lynch pool for D1, so it would take me more than just your word of honour to sheep you there.

^^ See? I wasn't sure (and I was also teasing FL about his shitty play in another game that has now ended). THIS is the point where I decided I'd go for Max rather than Shattiel.

These were the parts that were contradicting each other.
I know this might be a wild and wrong guess, but does anyone think ap is fake-claiming?

[xx2008]

He said that if he were doc, he would target profii, because he hard tr'ed him in one of the posts. In another, he says that the person he targets to protect would be whoever the scumteam is most likely to target that night and is not necessarily his top tr.
Since this is a fully closed setup, could there be a chance ap is fake claiming? What I'm thinking is that a fake claim from scum makes town confused even more when they try to speculate what roles there are in the game. It also gives scum the chance to stay alive, even if for a while. Do fake claims from scum usually happen in fully closed games?

[xx2008]

While my read on dva might be awkward, I've been trying to perfect it. The more I re-read the posts, the greater the chance that I make an accurate read. That might be why there's an awkward progression.

[xx2008]

While my read on dva might be awkward, I've been trying to perfect it. The more I re-read the posts, the greater the chance that I make an accurate read. That might be why there's an awkward progression.

The tones of recent dva posts make me change my mind about her. I re-read her earlier posts, and putting it together, I kind of see a genuine scumhunter.

I'm not sure why in my last post I included her in my scumread list. I must have made a mistake while posting too quickly.

Personally, I wouldn't think flubber is guaranteed scum. I wouldn't say he is exactly the towniest, though.
Regarding ofrhz, he has been sheeping in this game, and I don't really like that. I think it is probably poor scum play.

You rereading posts doesn't explain the bolded though. How do you magically conjure up a scumread on DVa you didn't have before just because you "made a mistake while posting too quickly"?

I was probably in a hurry and wasn't exactly focused on the game while making that post.

[xx2008]

I somewhat find saudade's sheeping on fl's vote to be towny. fl is a confirmed town, and in the event that he votes a scum player, it would be hard for saudade to decline voting that person if he himself were scum.
I think ap could be fake claiming. It's strange how we have one town PR dead and two claimed. It's unlikely there are so many PRs in one game, as I remembered in the beginning of the game that people said our mod generally designed setups with few PRs. It's easier to claim disloyal rb and get away with it for scum. I'm currently scumreading him.
It would be hard to claim a multitasking JOAT and not be found out later in the game, so I believe performer's claim.
ofrhz is actively contributing and trying to find scum, which I like. However, I think him sheeping day1 wasn't exactly towny, which makes me wonder about his alignment.

[xx2008]

Sorry about the situation, but I haven't found time to get on here. I'll catch up and make a post either tomorrow or Tuesday.
I did see Nero's post claiming he found the scumteam, and I don't think I agree with his way of thinking. I'll elaborate more soon.

[xx2008]

I'm beginning to doubt some of the tpr claims. A Town Ascetic Disloyal Ninja Babysitter (wow that's quite a long name ), town IC, two town JOATS, Town Night 2+3 Rolestopper and several more vanilla townies seem like a lot of power for town. When designing the game, I'm very sure the moderator will do their best to make it fair for both teams. I can't really imagine what the scumteam's roles are if this is really the case. The scumteam must have some very powerful roles if the game is going to be even.
Out of the three yet-to-be-confirmed tprs, I'd say ap or rc or even both are scum faking this claim. I'm townreading performer right now, and it doesn't make sense for town to have two JOATS, considering how one JOAT has multiple abilities. ap I also think is faking, as I have explained before. I also doubt he is a disloyal rb, when a rolestopper is a similar role.
I might not be correct about rb and rs being similar things, but they both are roles that stop other roles from completing actions.

[xx2008]

Although I haven't read through max's posts that deeply, they appear pretty towny on the surface level, for those of you who were asking about my thoughts on him. I plan on re-reading them.

[xx2008]

Maybe that's correct, but I still don't think there are two JOATS. It's like having two queens on a chessboard.

[xx2008]

I have three abilities, a disloyal vig, a cop check which I'll be using, and an ability I'd rather not specify yet if it can be helped.

I am a multitasking JOAT.

I jailkept FL, voyeured Nos, tracked maxous, and motion detected AP.
Nos was because he was one of my earliest townreads in here & other people were tring him, so I thought scum might visit him somehow.
Max because FL dubbed him scum so I trusted in that.
AP - I don't think I need to further explain why I detected him of all the players lol.

These two JOATS have different abilities. I think different abilities give a greater advantage than similar one-shot abilities, because it gives town a wider range of actions to choose from.
One of the JOATS is a multitasking one, which is a lot of power.
@JOATS, are your abilities one-shot?
Also lol A50 posted on accident again.

[xx2008]

That was quite a long night.
seph was also a TPR. I still don't think all the current PR claims are true,.
I'm scumreading ap.
VOTE: ap

[xx2008]

I don't exactly believe rc's check on ct, as I doubt rc's role. But, ct still seems town to me.
I agree with ct that one of saudade/nero has to be scum. saudade was sheeping most of the time, and Nero claiming to have found the scumteam was pretty scummy, as I didn't find his logic very convincing.
I feel like the sheeping from saudade was scummier.
VOTE: saudade

[xx2008]

I don't exactly believe rc's check on ct, as I doubt rc's role. But, ct still seems town to me.
I agree with ct that one of saudade/nero has to be scum. saudade was sheeping most of the time, and Nero claiming to have found the scumteam was pretty scummy, as I didn't find his logic very convincing.
I feel like the sheeping from saudade was scummier.
VOTE: saudade

Tsk tsk tsk
How was my sheeeeeeping different than any other vote ive sheeeeeeped before hand?

I kind of think your sheeping seemed like you were trying to get the people you sheeped to townread you.
I thought of your sheeping a little during the night phase, and it just didn't feel right. I think a towny action would be to find scum yourself, instead of letting other people control your vote.

[xx2008]

I don't exactly believe rc's check on ct, as I doubt rc's role. But, ct still seems town to me.
I agree with ct that one of saudade/nero has to be scum. saudade was sheeping most of the time, and Nero claiming to have found the scumteam was pretty scummy, as I didn't find his logic very convincing.
I feel like the sheeping from saudade was scummier.
VOTE: saudade

Tsk tsk tsk
How was my sheeeeeeping different than any other vote ive sheeeeeeped before hand?

I kind of think your sheeping seemed like you were trying to get the people you sheeped to townread you.
I thought of your sheeping a little during the night phase, and it just didn't feel right. I think a towny action would be to find scum yourself, instead of letting other people control your vote.

people? how many people did I sheep mate? you make it sound like there's been more than one, which in turn makes me think you've fabricated this whole read of yours

I think I remember you sheeping more than one person besides fl in d1, though I may have remembered wrong.

[xx2008]

I’m leaning Saudade town. I was an IC in a newbie game of his, I hard tunneled him Day 1, he was scum, i turned around started to town read him. He won that game as scum.

I didn’t get that early scum ping, and generally when I don’t with Saudade, he’s town. But he could be hard adapting, but I feel this is pretty similar to his town

I forgot if you said this before, but did you think his sheeping was a towny or scummy action?

[xx2008]

I was townreading saudade initially for sheeping, but it just doesn't feel towny once I look at it again.

[xx2008]

I don't think nero is town either.

[xx2008]

HUZZAH!

I've solved the game without reading d1 and several of the ISO's I said I'd read.

xx2008
RCEnigma
ofrhz

Is your scum team.

Both of RC's and Ofrhz's votes are reasonless opportunistic votes and it makes sense to me that they'd hop on with the dumb town leading the charge.

Ofrhz was a lurksack as town in my previous game with her and this doesn't match her lurksack town meta at all.

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE

RC goes from town reading Ofrhz to scum reading her but "not wanting her lynched today" basically they are distancing from one another.

He's also protecting his weak scumbuddy XX.

In the newbie queue slots are marked as se/ic on the main post. Here it isn't marked as such but IC keeps being brought up in different context. Which is where I think it's confusing him.

Innocent child has been used multiple times. Even the exact phrase Flavor Leaf is innocent child.

Like no way he doesn't understand when you guys are literally saying that FL is an innocent child.

XX also hasn't done much scumhunting and when he does it seems mostly dence sitting. His two hard scum reads from D1 were dead town and Ofrhz who he's mainly drooped. I mean, in his last post he did say "I think him sheeping day1 wasn't exactly towny, which makes me wonder about his alignment." but that's still a fence sit and seems kinda odd he didn't start out pushing Ofrhz starting out today.

vote:RC

I don't understand how you can find the scumteam without reading the entire game. This post doesn't even seem that convincing.

[xx2008]

I don't understand how you can find the scumteam without reading the entire game. This post doesn't even seem that convincing.

There's nothing stopping me or anyone else from scumhunting once they join the game. Maybe it's just an experience thing. Not convincing=//=wrong or not good. One of my favorite memories is from some game long ago when I called LLD scum and put a case on her. It convinced 0 people. She was scum an in end game the mod was talking about how accurate my LLD case was. And Im, scumreading you so like you saying that my case isn't convincing means nothing to me.

While you could have been right about that game you played long ago, you aren't convincing, nor are you correct.
You seem to only be going by a few posts when you said you found the scumteam. A few posts is not sufficient information to claim to have found the scumteam.

[xx2008]

Three JOATS in one game?

[xx2008]

I still don't think the rc joat claim is real.

[xx2008]

I think ap's attitude towards this game as of right now makes him look towny. I'd say at least one of the people nero cain said was scum is actually scum, since I think he could be bussing a little to make himself seem innocent. I think rc is the scummiest one so far, because his tone is scummy and he is the third JOAT claim.
VOTE: rc

[xx2008]

Am I the only one who believes rcenigma is faking JOAT and is scum?

[xx2008]

If we can't agree, there won't be a lynch for today as well.

[xx2008]

I still think rc is a good lynch for today.

[xx2008]

If there is a JOAT alive in the game, the scum wants to kill him as quickly as possible, before the JOAT is able to use their ability again. There were also three PRs that claimed, and for some reason none of them were killed at night.
Like yesterday, today I still think rc isn't a real JOAT. If he were a real JOAT, I'm surprised why he wasn't the night kill.
VOTE: rc

[xx2008]

Because I could save FL last night and if they kill me in the night they also confirm Maxous as town. Thats pretty simple, I didn't expect to die in the night. I did think scum would target AP if he were town though.

Then wouldn't they kill max or ap?
I want to think things over before I vote again.
UNVOTE: rc

[xx2008]

xx2008(3):

Nero Cain

;RCEnigma;

Nosferatu

Flubbernugget

(10):

Completely Trustworthy;Gamma Emerald;

AP;

DVa;ofrhz;Performer;profii;Carcalilly

;Garmr;

Flavor Leaf

;

Ofhrz

(4):

Flubbernugget

;Maxous;xx2008;

Sephiroth

;

NoLynch(1): ;

shattiel

Not Voting(1): Saudade;

This was the Flubber wagon. We have 8 of the 10 people on it as flipped green. Damn. For us to believe that there aren’t no scum bussing Flubber, it’s Flubber, people likely bussed, but if we are to believe that we have to believe there would be 2 scum who did back to back votes on XX and ofhrz. I don’t think that happens to protect Flubber.
There’s bussing happening on this wagon, so one of AP/Garmr should definitely be the lynch today. The fact that Nero was pushing Xx the way he was gives me a town read on XX. Doesn’t look like S/s

I'm curious, why would people bus flubber? There were many people still alive during the first day. It wouldn't be too difficult to stay innocent-looking and not bus.

[xx2008]

xx2008(1):Maxous;

Sephiroth

(1):AP;

Nosferatu

(1): RCEnigma;

AP(1):

Carcalilly

;

Completly Trustworthy

(1):

profii

;

profii

(9):

Flavor Leaf

;

Nero Cain

;

Performer;ofrhz;Completely Trustworthy

;Garmr;

Gamma Emerald

;Saudade;

Nosferatu

;

Not Voting(3):

Shattiel

;xx2008;

Sephiroth

;


Are we to believe that Nero was the only one who joined into Profii? Especially that early.on. Once again, Garmr finds his way to the spot. Interesting.

Saudade is the only other person unflipped there, which makes his not voting Day 1 separate. AP is up there pushing Sephiroth, a flipped greenie. This might matter. Right now I’m thinking 2 of the 3 of Garmr/AP/Saudade is looking like scum.

If he was pushing a townie, I think that might be considered a sign of his innocence. If he were scum, wouldn't he also be joining the wagon to make the lynch happen faster

[xx2008]

I am still surprised that scum didn't kill him or rc last night, who literally claimed their roles, so I'm not going to erase my scumread on ap just yet.

[xx2008]

xx2008(2):

Nero Cain

;Maxous;

Saudade(3):xx2008;RCEnigma;AP;

Nero Cain

(3):

Shattiel;Gamma Emerald

;Garmr;

RCEnigma(2):

Flavor Leaf

;Saudade;

Not Voting(4):

ofrhz;Completely Trustworthy;Nosferatu;Carcalilly;

So once again Garmr is the last one unflipped on a wagon.

With Nero up top on xx, I expect the other scum is Saudade or on the Saudade wagon, which again comes back to AP.

He might indeed be scum bussing his partner. Considering that the lynch failed, it wouldn't have been too risky for him to bus his partner.

[xx2008]

xx2008(1):Maxous;

Sephiroth

(1):AP;

Nosferatu

(1): RCEnigma;

AP(1):

Carcalilly

;

Completly Trustworthy

(1):

profii

;

profii

(9):

Flavor Leaf

;

Nero Cain

;

Performer;ofrhz;Completely Trustworthy

;Garmr;

Gamma Emerald

;Saudade;

Nosferatu

;

Not Voting(3):

Shattiel

;xx2008;

Sephiroth

;


Are we to believe that Nero was the only one who joined into Profii? Especially that early.on. Once again, Garmr finds his way to the spot. Interesting.

Saudade is the only other person unflipped there, which makes his not voting Day 1 separate. AP is up there pushing Sephiroth, a flipped greenie. This might matter. Right now I’m thinking 2 of the 3 of Garmr/AP/Saudade is looking like scum.

0 chance I am able to successfully push through my bud Profii without at least one more scum being on this wagon.

Like, Nero joined on early. There’s one more in here. At least.

Garmr today, AP or Saudade tomorrow.

This is most likely correct from what I am thinking. That wagon had a lot of people on it, and it wouldn't be very possible to push it without more than just one scum on it.
The otehr scum could also be saudade.

[xx2008]

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Ouch this hurts my eyes lol.

[xx2008]

No deaths.

I'm NOT gonna jump the gun though. I just wanted to say

I am one step ahead of you, scum

.

I saw this coming.

I did the math. I block someone and scum don't kill, so we get a false guilty on someone. We lynch them and they flip Town, so I am lynched the day after.

5-1 going into last night >> 5-1 today >> 4-1 going into the night (mislynch) >> 3-1 tomorrow with me as the designated lynch 100% if the time = 2-1 going into the night = scum win.

So, I decided NOT TO ACT. I submitted NO ACTION.

I can get lynched but I'm not going to be outsmarted and framed by some noob scumster (and I really don't care how long they've been playing this game).

That is indeed valid reasoning.

[xx2008]

i'm also vanilla town.

[xx2008]

Town Joat
N1: disloyal vig shot - Maxous
N2: cop check - CT
N3: Commuted (untargetable)

Night 3 you were untargetable, but who could have made you untargetable? Were you unable to target or was your target not able to be targeted?

[xx2008]

I am leaning Maxous, tbh. I forget why he was mechanically town.

I had blocked him on N1 and RCE has some sort of clear on him.

I blocked Max, Garmr, RCE and RCE (again), then Ni Action on N5

I see now.

[xx2008]

N4: Fake claimed a heal on FL

Why did you fake claim a heal on fl?

[xx2008]

Town Joat
N1: disloyal vig shot - Maxous
N2: cop check - CT
N3: Commuted (untargetable)

I am leaning Maxous, tbh. I forget why he was mechanically town.

I had blocked him on N1 and RCE has some sort of clear on him.

I blocked Max, Garmr, RCE and RCE (again), then Ni Action on N5

The night1 actions of these two seemed to have perfectly canceled out our knowledge about max's alighment.

[xx2008]

I'm not certain, but perhaps ap and rc are both scum working together very well, which explains the above and why they were not killed at night throughout the whole game.

[xx2008]

Happy new year!
It'll be best to lynch within the PRs today. I highly doubt both are real considering how they were kept alive for this long.

[xx2008]

I think ap is scum, so I'm going to hammer.

No deaths.

I'm NOT gonna jump the gun though. I just wanted to say

I am one step ahead of you, scum

.

I saw this coming.

I did the math. I block someone and scum don't kill, so we get a false guilty on someone. We lynch them and they flip Town, so I am lynched the day after.

5-1 going into last night >> 5-1 today >> 4-1 going into the night (mislynch) >> 3-1 tomorrow with me as the designated lynch 100% if the time = 2-1 going into the night = scum win.

So, I decided NOT TO ACT. I submitted NO ACTION.

I can get lynched but I'm not going to be outsmarted and framed by some noob scumster (and I really don't care how long they've been playing this game).

His first post at the start of the day, while it does have sound logic, seemed quite sudden. It seemed like it was planned out beforehand.

@FL: You're determined to lose this one for us, aren't you?

I'm not gonna vote the guy I blocked TWICE and a NK still went through. LYNCH ME FIRST if you want to go down that route.

VOTE: Saudade

If rc turned out to be a joat, ap would fear getting lynched the next day after trying to get rc lynched.

VOTE: ap

[xx2008]

Good game! Thanks for playing, everyone!

[xx2008]

I had a lot of fun in this game.