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[ofrhz]

Sup fam

VOTE: xx2008

[ofrhz]

Hi AP

RCE is town I think

[ofrhz]

Hi AP

RCE is town I think

You mean town town, or the other way around? You were Frau Farbissina of late. What makes you think I can trust you off the gate this time around?

Hi AP

RCE is town I think

Ewww why am I town? :p but hi Ofrhz.

Are we going to do this dance every game from now on, AP?

No I think he's town town. He literally skated by as scum in Mini 2038. Come on, you just played against scum!him

i like to bait a bit

I think I'm sheeping ofrhz jumping to a conclusion, could just be wrong, but i wondered if you were informed if you reacted in a way that might reinforce the ~reason~ actually being right.

we will find out later, still not worth a lynch right now

What are you sheeping? The RCE read?

Does an AP wagon truly need a reason?

Yeah that question was silly and pinged me a bit

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Isn't Creature supposed to be easily readable by post count/effort?

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If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.

I think Creature is getting rather easy town reads considering he's been all over the place early on

This deserves its own post

Spoiler:

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Ofrhz what do you think about Garmr and Creature?

Both leaning town - I think Garmr was omgus'ing a little bit in pushing the Creature wagon, and I'm not seeing the push as scummy even though I disagree with it.

@ofrhz - yeah I might be guessing at why you made that town read, but it seemed like you would spot the reason I’m thinking based on that game we just finished

I'll be honest, whatever reasoning you're trying to extract out of me here is completely going over my head

AP town, xx probably town as well

VOTE: flubbernugget

[ofrhz]

Prodge

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I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>

VOTE: flubbernugget

Did I case flubbz? That doesn't really sound like me tbh

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profii can be town
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Ohrz, what is your read of Maxxous? You said he sucked in 188, but do you think he is a bad townie or is he actually scummy to you?

Not enough data

Prodge

honestly im waiting for season 3 cause i binged season 2 like a week ago and i kinda refuse to watch anything on hulu if im paying for ads

Spoiler:

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ofhrz - the host is very serious about his rules so ofrhz's prodge doesn't look right, makes me doubt my tr of him earlier. Prods are given every 36 hours AND prodges don't remove that. That and ofrhz scum meta looks like he tries to stay under the radar, making his prodge look like it comes from scum ofhrz . ofhrz are you town here?

ELI5 how the mod being more persnickety wrt rules and activity makes me more likely to remember them and/or consciously circumvent them

Also I was very busy irl during my last scumgame (might not have mentioned this in the game thread but probably did in the scum PT... if I didn't have it redacted lel) and still did my damndest to post everyday and stay within prod range so nope

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VOTE: ofrhz

u wot m8

[ofrhz]

I still have no real scumreads. Someone help

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DVa do you have a read on Performer yet

[ofrhz]

I gutread him as town

but uh in order for me to really agree or disagree with that, I'd have to have played with him before

[ofrhz]

xx2008
Carcalilly
Maxous

Garmr

Inferno390
Sephiroth

Nosferatu

FA_Q2

AP

DS aka Shattiel

profii

Flubbernugget

lightly townreading xx but also hating like every other post of theirs so I won't fight his lynch
same with carca

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are you townreading everyone else not on that list?

[ofrhz]

oh crap, I was just gonna vote ct lol

[ofrhz]

Hmm. Philosophical question then. Is FA_Q a useful d1 lynch?

pedit: y CT?

uhhh are you trying to say it'd be a low info lynch

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a;lksdjfl;kdasjfal;ksdj this seems out of character for you. Do you only do this in large games

pedit: at dva

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Basically.

How do we measure:
a) the potential value of d1's lynch for informing reads
vs.
b) the dead weight on future days
?

I mean, to answer your question, I prefer a

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Why tho. Bc you think he could be scum with nos?

[ofrhz]

Put that aside for the moment -- what's your read of Sephiroth? Do you find town in his posts?

null? maybe nullscum? I'm interested in why he decided to lolvote me

Also I'm curious why you singled out seph here over other people, like say flubbz for instance, on that list

[ofrhz]

That and his play is almost exactly parallel to his top scumreads play

I’m kind of townreading him for this ngl

Shattiel feels town as well

[ofrhz]

More prod dodging to follow in 24 hours

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The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"

garm or trustworthy?
When did you start townreading one or both of them?

What

Yeah I’d like this question answered as well. When you said “town play,” it read like possible tmi

[ofrhz]

Me neither but he’s also v/la until Tuesday

Vote Flubbernugget plz

[ofrhz]

Thanks DVa, you ma homegirl

[ofrhz]

Ok with Creature's list I'm within: {FA_Q2, Maxous, Saudade, Sephiroth, Flubbernugget}

Who we voting from our remaining 5? Which of those 5 names are worth striking?

Sephiroth is TOWN

Why?

I'm not feeling this game, like AT ALL. For one thing, everybody's throwing up reads with not much of an explanation. For another, I can hardly play role, and it makes me feel sad I joined with AP.

I'm seriously considering switching to A50 and playing the game from the A50 perspective.

Ugh please don't. A50 is a bitch to sort compared to AP

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I'm getting off my lazy ass now guys getting there.
Idk why I play long deadlines when I don't make use of it

Why are you still not voting

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Nah homie

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Hi Gamma

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VOTE: seph

[ofrhz]

Oh shit I got prodded

[ofrhz]

Day is almost half over.

why is Sephiroth a better lynch than you flubber?

They're both trash lynches

Next question

So why did you think Seph was a trash lynch here?

Spoiler:

I am only caught up to the early nos/seph interaction, which reads like scum theater to me. It started as an argument about bolding a name (uhhhh) and then turned into really shallow snipes at each other about who has more game forwarding content. Neither of them tried reading into motivations for the way each is posting.

is it scum theatre because it looks fake or do you just wanna be a rebel, nugget?

performer...
shh, they can't know yet

Yes. It looked fake. I am perplexed as to how you could infer otherwise.

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Basically.

How do we measure:
a) the potential value of d1's lynch for informing reads
vs.
b) the dead weight on future days
?

a;lksdjfl;kdasjfal;ksdj this seems out of character for you.
pedit: at dva

What does this even mean??

Was this ever answered, ofrhz?

Uhhhh I guess based on past experience, DVa's play is usually "find scum --> lynch scum" rather than "find the highest info lynch"

I'm not sure it's super relevant because there really hasn't been anyone super scummy this game for her to push

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Ahh well no to be fair I put the idea of masons in her head because I thought the Sephiroth/invis dynamic was so...odd.

I regret making that post now because if you had come out with your line of thinking I would have had a better read on Ofrhz.

What is this about putting the idea of masons in peoples heads?

In a recently completed game, RCEnigma and I were scum together. RCE identified some weird interactions between two possible PRs, and I thought those two were masons together based on said weird interactions. It's not really relevant to this game tbh

Gamma is probably town tho yay

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I'm not sure it's super relevant because there really hasn't been anyone super scummy this game for her to push

I also wanted to understand why you kinda felt resistance to Sephiroth when I was starting the PoE. I wasn't sure if there was a gut townread there or whether I was just throwing you off by trying a new approach. While I partly gut townread you based on RVS this is lurky even for town you. But I think if you start playing more, and you are town, your reads can be good, so.

You were asking me to move my vote off of your PoE lynch candidate onto another PoE lynch candidate. I didn't see the point, and tbh I was a little suspicious

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Still have the same 3 scum-reads.

Creature

- made a poor start to the game and flailed like crazy when people asked him simple questions about his reads. He's just sheeping the confirmed town now and is not even giving reads anymore.
Propably just trying to stay quiet and let the heat die down on him.

AP

- He has very few scumreads I can find for someone that has written so many posts. I think some of his town reads that he was giving were overly simplistic and fake to the point where i have a hard time believing he was genuine about them.

ofrhz

- I explained here my problem with his early play. Since then he's done nothing but sheep the confirmed town. Could be lazy town i suppose but meh, feels more like low effort scum

I was going to say these are bad, but I'm actually not sure Creature is still town.

I mean, I didn't sheep FL when he dubbed you scum, because I was sort of townreading you. So idk why the hell you're pursuing this angle.

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Have we wagoned ofhrz yet and can we?

er
you literally just played with scum me. Explain why you want to wagon me right now.

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Gamma is probably town tho yay

y?

I liked his flubbernugget vote, so mainly mindmeld
His catchup might seem a little bit of busywork, but I don't think that's AI based on
- viewtopic.php?t=75314&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go
- viewtopic.php?t=77101&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

He seems to just comment on whatever as town

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@Jason,
Flubber?

VOTE: Flubber

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So I can summarize my catch up basically by responding to this post.

First and foremost, scum theater is an association between two unflipped players. You dont push that as scum without flips. That's mafia 101.

Why are you throwing weak shade? And why are you testing the waters with weak shade to vote me once others approve of it?

Lol
1. I was very obviously catching up when I asked this question
2. Based on my voting history, I think it's pretty clear that I don't have any qualms about voting for you, so your accusation that I was "testing the waters" is absurd

Second, sephiroth was a trash wagon, and is even more a trash wagon with FL doing everything short of admitting the scum read is a vendetta. There was no explanation from the gate, and the wagon started off of sheeping FL via countdown status. That's not acceptable. Conftown is still probably going to hit town in their reads unless they have a damn good case.

Seph is probably town, and if they do end up flipping town, it's guaranteed scum were crawling over that wagon.

- The two people on the wagon at that point was DVa and Creature
- I guess regardless of who started the wagon, that doesn't explain why you declared it a bad lynch without bothering to engage anyone on the wagon

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Still don't understand why we're not wagoning active lurker extraordinaire Ofhrz right now

sheeping this reason, much preferable to flubber

VOTE: ofrhz

Are you still townreading Flubber? If so, why?

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Awww.. a wagon on ofrhz

You're enjoying this, aren't you

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Ohrz-Is probably more informational because his more controversial with more mixed reads on him. Nothing he has done has peaked my interest through. I'm not sure he will turn out in the future since I haven't played with him from memory.

I'm almost willing to flip a coin.

We did play together briefly in Espeonage's game (Mini 2021? I think), but you replaced in shortly before I was killed.

[ofrhz]

AP town, xx probably town as well

VOTE: flubbernugget

Fancy way to post a naked vote, talking about others before putting a vote down for someone that isn't being discussed in the post.

Pretty sure my vote was on xx before this

Did I case flubbz? That doesn't really sound like me tbh

Oh, you're one of

those

.

I've been subtly trying to turn this game into a SUAV
This playerlist hasn't been too keen on that so far

[ofrhz]

Shut up and vote

[ofrhz]

Jason, what do you think of Short's case in 1274?

I thought the "townreading Creature while still voting for him" was slightly scum indicative
Not convinced about the rest
Short can be town though

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Why is Max off the table for today again?

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Carca - what's your stance on the leading wagons

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Gamma are you caught up yet? Where are you with your reads?

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VOTE: xx

Would also vote max

[ofrhz]

the wagon is mostly pure town.

ya I think we should lynch off wagon today as well

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Nos, myself, Nero, maxous, xx, sephiroth, shattiel, saudade. Do you have an order of preference ofrhz?

These are all the slots not on the flubber lynch eod.

Probably {xx, Max} > saudade / nos

Saudade and nos are there because I don't think I can really read them

Since Gamma is townreading xx and profii/AP both have max in their sights,

VOTE: Max

I guess there's also something to be said for sheeping the dead

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Hm. Interesting interactions between FL, GE, AP. I keep thinking that there is one based on the flipped information for flubb & dva, as well as having an IC. Maybe I'm mistaken.

One what? One scum?

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Do you have anything for a case against maxous in particular? Or did you just want to have two wagons?

Idk his case on AP was weird and not good. If I thought two of my three scumreads from d1 were likely wrong, the first thing I’d do coming out of the game in d2 isn’t to case my third remaining scumread from d1. Like maybe that’s just me.

Dva was also scumreading him yesterday though I don’t think she ever said why ( ), and I’m kind of sheeping this right now since her reads are >rand

I should probably do a metadive on max at some point but I’m kind of lazy rn

It’s not that I want two wagons running against each other necessarily. I don’t really like either the AP or the profii wagon

AP:
- Based on a skim of flubber’s last two scumgames, he doesn’t seem inclined to throw his partners into the spotlight like he sort of did with AP yesterday.

- AP’s reasoning behind his flubb vote was that he had no strong scumreads. I think that’s an okay reason to jump on a wagon, so idk why max said AP voted without explanation there. And maybe it’s just me, but it wasn’t obvious that the Flubbernugget wagon was going to take off when AP jumped on.

- Also this is kind of a stretch but AP knows I’m an easy mislynch, especially when I’m under pressure, so I guess him not jumping on my counterwagon earns him another townpoint.

Profii:
- Flubber’s interactions with profii didn’t seem partner-y. Idk how to explain that further lol

- If you go into profii’s post history, he consistently uses the word “informed” in lieu of “tmi” throughout all of his games. So I don’t think him throwing out the word is a good reason to scumread him

I’m basically looking for a better wagon than these two rn

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Does IC mean a role that is revealed at the start of the game?
What does a strongman do?
I haven't heard of them before, but I always keep forgetting to ask.

@fl, you hammered flubber day1 very quickly without waiting for his claim. Were there any reasons other than the ones you stated day1 for doing so?

These are very, very weird questions to ask. Anyway, an IC revealed means that person is the designated Inexperienced Challenged guy for the game. A strongman just means a role that is strong enough that, if he targets a tpr, he ends up wiping out the rest of the tprs in the game. Sad and super powerful , I know.

I reviewed Varsoon, FL, and your game where you were tpr Town Tracker with my friend James Doakes the jk. I didn't get a newbie vibe like the one you have in this game. GE somehow tr on you and I don't recall ap mentioning a read on you.

AP what do you think of xx & my case on him. He's in my scum pool. Why on earth he wavered on you and flubb, is suspicious.

Why do you think they are weird questions?

I have heard of the IC role under a different name before,

but I have never heard of a strongman. I didn't think it was much of a different role at first, but things started to get a little confusing, so that's why I asked.

Just curious, was the other name for IC that you had encountered previously?

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Is it just me or does xx’s response make no sense there

[ofrhz]

Yes but I’m the post he’s responding to, #1 troll performer said IC = Inexperience challenged

So xx has encountered yet another IC acronym on this site?

[ofrhz]

Yes but I’m the post he’s responding to, #1 troll performer said IC = Inexperience challenged

So xx has encountered yet another IC acronym on this site?

*in

[ofrhz]

The result on AP isn't damning but it would be expected that scum was busy last night considering we whacked one on Day 1

Even if we didn't lynch scum day one, were scum just going to sit back and not use their night actions? This post

[ofrhz]

{AP, garmr, performer}
{seph, ofrhz, shat}
{rce}
{profii, lily, max}
{ct, xx}

not sorted:
saud
nero
gamma
ct

VOTE: AP

uhhhh why did you vote AP here?

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Are you loyal vig? I love that as a role.

If I was I would have never acted.
I'm DISloyal RB. This means I don't even know if my action succeeded or not. I targeted Maxous. It was between him and Shattiel for me.

That seems like a pretty strong role and kind of incongruous with the post you made here

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You have ct as scum AND in not sorted

I think nos earlier said that he can't read ct's tone and just has him as a default scumread.

but yeah the AP vote is interesting

I'd be down with wagoning nos as well, since it seems like there is no interest in max or xx right now

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Consider this: if town ap thought max was scum, then his disloyal role means max HAS to hit someone of OPPOSITE alignment in order for his role to work. If max was indeed scum, then max OBVIOUSLY would target OPPOSITE ALIGNMENT aka anyone other than his team. Now, if max turned out to be a tpr too, then town ap shouldn't even risk it because what if tpr max had a protect or some other good ability to help town - then ap would've neutralized max's role. So ideally ap needs to have waited until another night to use his ability, because on n1 he could've neutralized tpr.
Am I understanding this correctly?

I thought disloyal just meant-
AP targets someone of same alignment as him --> AP's rb fails
AP targets someone of different alignemtn --> AP's rb succeeds

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@ofthz: Strong? What's strong about me RBing scum but not knowing if I RB'd them?

A normal RB would have been a better role from my PoV. I used my role well enough (oh, well.. we still lost because I came to the wrong conclusion) in this game to verify N_M did have a night action.

I intended to do that here, but obviously I won't be able to do that because I have been a suspect ever since the game started and a wagon was starting to build on me already.

On my own I yield no info. SOMEONE has to claim they got RB'd on the night I targeted them for me to know I blocked them and they're scum. If I target Town they won't be blocked, thus I can't tell if someone who said they had a night result were lying or are Town.

Now tell me again.. what do you think is strong or enjoyable about my role here?

I sort of see what you're saying. I was coming at it from the angle that you wouldn't rb a tpr and avoid the wifom that creates.

I still think it's fairly strong the later the game goes and as the scumpool narrows, because scum would have to do the NK dance around you. I don't know if you've read the end of stack the deck, but having any sort of town roleblock is fairly strong lategame.

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I errrr still don't see how that's a contradiction

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He said that if he were doc, he would target profii, because he hard tr'ed him in one of the posts. In another, he says that the person he targets to protect would be whoever the scumteam is most likely to target that night and is not necessarily his top tr.
Since this is a fully closed setup, could there be a chance ap is fake claiming? What I'm thinking is that a fake claim from scum makes town confused even more when they try to speculate what roles there are in the game. It also gives scum the chance to stay alive, even if for a while. Do fake claims from scum usually happen in fully closed games?

eh, hard tr =/= top tr

in this game, I'm sure FL is everyone's top TR

I think AP's logic there was that scum would not NK FL, because FL would be doctored at night. not sure I agree with that, but I can see AP thinking that way

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To clarify: AP is claiming to have roleblocked literally the one slot he knows for a fact didn't go anywhere - due to Performer's track result.
Quite a coincidence.

Who'd he claim to RB?

Me.
AFTER Performer gave his track results on me.

You can judge AP's reasoning for yourself

If AP were scum fakeclaiming disloyal RB, he could literally just choose any fucking townie and claim to have blocked them. And then he could just pretend the action failed because both him and his target were town.

He didn't have to claim to target someone that we knew didn't move last night.

Like, you're not thinking critically about this at all.

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The problem with xx being scum is that he declared dva scum at least once in his ISO. So.. that doesn't seem to make sense if he's scum? Because as scum why would he tell his 2 other (if going off 4-man scum team) teammates to kill 1 of his sr? I'd think he would want dva alive to pocket or mislynch her.

I still don't understand what about this makes xx unlikely to be scum.

To review, xx's progression on dva:

Spoiler:

@dva, I do have mixed feelings towards flubber and Sephiroth, but I don't think that they are completely scummy, as you implied with your rhetorical question. I'm giving you a little pressure right now.
VOTE: dva

Pressure vote

I kind of think the wagon on sephiroth was scum driven, and dva is my prime suspect.

Scummy in terms of wagons

I skimmed through the posts I missed, and I kind of feel like dva is somewhat scummy in terms of wagons, but I can also see some genuine scum hunting.

I think this walks away with the conclusion that dva is slightly towny? or maybe he thinks she's null, I honestly can't fucking tell

My scumreads are currently dva and ofhrz.

xx somehow starts scumreading Dva again

The tones of recent dva posts make me change my mind about her. I re-read her earlier posts, and putting it together, I kind of see a genuine scumhunter. I'm not sure why in my last post I included her in my scumread list. I must have made a mistake while posting too quickly.
Personally, I wouldn't think flubber is guaranteed scum. I wouldn't say he is exactly the towniest, though.
Regarding ofrhz, he has been sheeping in this game, and I don't really like that. I think it is probably poor scum play.

He then awkwardly retracts his earlier scumread on dva and chalks it up to a mistake from posting too quickly (???)

He ends up with a townlean on DVa after some weird progression near the end of the day, not a scumread.

Beyond his awkward progression on DVa, DVa was the only person doing any sort of meaningful coalition building amongst the townbloc yesterday and pushing wagons. If you don't believe that, then look at how spectacularly successful this dayphase has been. Like, do you guys really think the scumteam would avoid nk'ing DVa just because xx was scumreading her for a little bit during D1?

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I've never seen Seph's scum game, but I'm pretty sure Seph has said that he prefers playing scum. He has also said that he has a tendency to flake out of his towngames (but has recently been trying to improve his towngame by being more active).

I think it's likely that the guy has just lost interest in this game, which is slightly town indicative for him.

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While my read on dva might be awkward, I've been trying to perfect it. The more I re-read the posts, the greater the chance that I make an accurate read. That might be why there's an awkward progression.

The tones of recent dva posts make me change my mind about her. I re-read her earlier posts, and putting it together, I kind of see a genuine scumhunter.

I'm not sure why in my last post I included her in my scumread list. I must have made a mistake while posting too quickly.

Personally, I wouldn't think flubber is guaranteed scum. I wouldn't say he is exactly the towniest, though.
Regarding ofrhz, he has been sheeping in this game, and I don't really like that. I think it is probably poor scum play.

You rereading posts doesn't explain the bolded though. How do you magically conjure up a scumread on DVa you didn't have before just because you "made a mistake while posting too quickly"?

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okay fine.

Who do you think is scum right now, xx?

[ofrhz]

If I had to form a town block right now it would be something like FL, Performer, AP, Profii, ofrhz, Maxous.

Why is Max town? Max's only scumread is someone else in your townbloc

[ofrhz]

Shortaru's defense of Flubber was scummy

Elaborate?

[ofrhz]

If I had to form a town block right now it would be something like FL, Performer, AP, Profii, ofrhz, Maxous.

Why is Max town? Max's only scumread is someone else in your townbloc

Town can't be wrong? He also scumread you day one and you're also in my town block. I townread him independent of his scumreads.

They can, but that doesn’t answer my question. Why is he town?

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^^ Open question for the peanut gallery

[ofrhz]

My initial scumread on Maxous was his scumread on you. Low and mostly forced participation, reactive posting (mostly to prods on him). I associated his play with some of my scum tells. Day 2 his play is a flip from that. He came out active and sure he's tunneling but I find that town indicative as well.

Why is his tunnel town indicative tho?

I see him presenting a case on AP but not once does he actually engage directly with AP. I know you don’t like meta reads, but town max is capable of initiating discussion with his scumreads and asking questions, and how he approaches his scumreads here is bizarre

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To add to that if Shattiel were to flip scum

Hmm I don’t have a whole lot of confidence that Shattiel is scum tbh. I see a trend where Flubber went for lynchbaity players yesterday, and I don’t think Shattiel and flubber’s interactions were partnery

[ofrhz]

Hmm yeah max does seem to lurk more towards the beginning of the day as scum

[ofrhz]

VOTE: nero

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VOTE: Maxous

I dub it.

What do you think of Max aggressively pursuing AP as soon as the day started?

[ofrhz]

AP, why are you voting for Seph?

[ofrhz]

hi fellow xx scumreaders, let's form a(nother) wagon.

VOTE: xx

[ofrhz]

xx, what do you think of carcalilly?

[ofrhz]

maybe they just used the word conftown or something

[ofrhz]

there's no guarantee that abbreviation came up

[ofrhz]

VOTE: maxous

I’m literally going in circles at this point

[ofrhz]

VOTE: maxous

I’m literally going in circles at this point

AP come hither

[ofrhz]

I was going to propose AP rbs me tonight with performer tracking me. This either confirms ALL 3 claims AND Maxous or exposes 1 scum between myself and AP.

How would this confirm AP again?

[ofrhz]

I was going to propose AP rbs me tonight with performer tracking me. This either confirms ALL 3 claims AND Maxous or exposes 1 scum between myself and AP.

I was just going to lynch AP on the assumption a disloyal would be either side and I can see your turn around

Is this because it’s unlikely for there to be two disloyal tprs

[ofrhz]

Why don’t you just try to vig AP

[ofrhz]

And have performer track you

Fucking pedit

[ofrhz]

VOTE: profii

[ofrhz]

My result: Garmr didn't do it

Why did you block Garmr when performer named Garmr as one of his potential targets in 2140?

[ofrhz]

My result: Garmr didn't do it

Why did you block Garmr when performer named Garmr as one of his potential targets in 2140?

AP didn't you guys agree to have separate pools of possible candidates for your night action targets?

[ofrhz]

What game is this?

[ofrhz]

What game

[ofrhz]

So I'm expected to believe the one time you decided to vote *during* your catchup it just happened to be the *accidental* hammer. Keep in mind you didn't set a precedent for how your catchup comes together. Every time you checked in beforehand was to nitpick at a recent argument or two, or deliver a readslist.

So yes it makes sense, don't give me that.

I think this is a decent point

But it also doesn’t make that much sense to expend so much towncred to quickhammer someone who already claimed VT

[ofrhz]

Who do you think we should be voting for AP?

[ofrhz]

I’m town

[ofrhz]

Last three Nero scumgames I could find:

Spoiler:

Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

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- Bussed his partner maria and spent most of his time SvS'ing with her before replacing out D1

Mini Theme 2001: Mafia Month [game over]

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- Aside from lightly shading profii at one point, nero kind of just ignores his partners all game

[Mini 1987] Snowman's Bad Idea Mafia: Aliens [GG]

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- Votes and cases his partner eevee but then moves onto other people and never pushes his partners after that

Generally speaking, Nero doesn't bus hard. Fallout Mafia was probably an outlier, because his partner happened to be mariar, and it's hard to say how Nero would've moved his vote around if he had stayed in the game. So RCE and xx are both probably town, more confident on RCE since Nero seemed to push mostly him.

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Townreading Max as well. A few of Nero's posts read like buddying Max.

Spoiler:

I’ll go Maxous / xx / Saudade in that order

There is only one scum here and its not Max or Saunde.

lets see how maxous and nero play out

So you can stop with your shitty T/T false dilemma.

I guess win town points with FL, who likely doesn't make it to tomorrow anyways

He's also gonna be protected so thanks for letting us know you guys have a strongman.

VOTE: RCEnigma

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

both jailkeeper and bodyguard are protectives and it's just a safe general assumption to assume that there is protection. But yeah, protection ablities have already been claimed anyways.

What are your feelings on this Max?

[ofrhz]

Still think Shattiel is town based on Flubber's push and tmi

Is AP still town

[ofrhz]

AP why didn’t you crumb your role? Can you point out instances where you were a TPR and didn’t crumb this?

[ofrhz]

Why tho

And you’d crumb your target but not your role?

[ofrhz]

I dont think I ever said I had a read on either (though garmr comes off as gut town and I do find CT scummy as of recent)

So I have no clue why you're asking that question, what you expect it to accomplish, or how it's related to any of the dumbness surrounding your Mason "gambit"

You called out that the "town play" in MS continues to descend.. which means you're referring to someone who you townread?
I asked for clarification cause it's smells tmi and wolf fur

Why didn't you vote Flubber here?

[ofrhz]

AP what were your targets in order?

Maxous, Garmr, You.

Why did you target RCE?

[ofrhz]

But RCE never said what his third action was. I don't understand why you thought his action was verifiable and then would try to rb someone you were TR'ing?

If you really wanted to verify RCE's claikm, you could've done it n2 but instead decided to go for Garmr

[ofrhz]

I'm starting to get a bit paranoid at you. It's not your norm to be this disengaged and come to throw some meaningless questions around then disappear again.

Where did the last session of questions lead you?

None of your actions are verifiable at this point and your crumb wasn't really a crumb now that i look at it:

@FL: I get that. I got it the first time too. Problem is [redacted][redacted][reacted] so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't fully trust your read. Not that I have a "strong" read on Maxous anyway, but he's not in my lynch pool for D1, so it would take me more than just your word of honour to sheep you there.

Yes, and it's quite a coincidence you came into D2 tunneling me in particular. It's also quite a coincidence I provided a quote from my D1 posts where I decided I would target you in specific and crumbed it while I was addressing the IC.

if this was your only crumb, I don't think anyone could've picked up on the fact that you RB'd max N1 based on this post alone.

and my primary reason for townreading you, which was that Flubber calling you out made you more likely to be town, kind of no longer holds true because he did the same thing with the random shading that went nowhere with Creature

[ofrhz]

AP why didn’t you crumb your role? Can you point out instances where you were a TPR and didn’t crumb this?

I only crumb as A50.

I guess this question didn't lead to anything because it looks like you've only rolled VT as town on AP

[ofrhz]

Max and I are actually masons

Did Max confirm? It would be easy for a Cop to verify TWO slots if that was the case. I don't think faking Masons is a large is at all a good idea, so I'm tentatively removing Max from my D1 lynch pool.

The mason claim is actually a joke.
[Insert meme here]

That lasted for what? 4 hours?? You're back in my lynch pool.

Hint: Max is not though. If you flip scum you were most likely faking a Mason with TOWN. (Oh, keep your mouth shut, FL).

Also it looks like you took Max out of your lynchpool at this point because Shattiel fakeclaimed Mason with him (and by your logic, that made Maxous more likely to be town).

But you claimed that you removed Max from your lynchpool around 848 because you intended to RB them?

@FL: I get that. I got it the first time too. Problem is [redacted][redacted][reacted] so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't fully trust your read. Not that I have a "strong" read on Maxous anyway, but he's not in my lynch pool for D1, so it would take me more than just your word of honour to sheep you there.

^^ See? I wasn't sure (and I was also teasing FL about his shitty play in another game that has now ended). THIS is the point where I decided I'd go for Max rather than Shattiel.

[ofrhz]

But RCE never said what his third action was. I don't understand why you thought his action was verifiable and then would try to rb someone you were TR'ing?

If you really wanted to verify RCE's claikm, you could've done it n2 but instead decided to go for Garmr

VOTE: ofrhz

The ofrhz I know certainly knows how to read.

Let me tell you what RCE said about his last night action:

I used my protection last night, was I your target?

RCE said his last night action was a protective one in the beginning of this dayphase though. You couldn't have known that his night action was a protective

at the time you decided to RB him last night

.

I could've been clearer when I said "RCE never said what his third action was," but my point was that last night, you tried to RB someone whose role you weren't sure you could confirm in an attempt to confirm them? I don't understand the logic behind that, especially since RCE was someone you were townreading since halfway through D1 I believe.

[ofrhz]

Then your huge multi-quote post 2495 proved you're not even reading for comprehension, but rather to try and find some contradiction to push that you failed to see the bolded:

The mason claim is actually a joke.
[Insert meme here]

That lasted for what? 4 hours??

You're back in my lynch pool.

Hint:

Max is not though.

If you flip scum you were most likely faking a Mason with TOWN. (Oh, keep your mouth shut, FL).

Did Shattiel flip yet? Did she flip before and get reinstalled into the game perhaps??

You clearly said you were taking Max out of the lynchpool here. And the sentences that followed implied you did so because of the mason fakeclaim.

@FL: I get that. I got it the first time too. Problem is [redacted][redacted][reacted] so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't fully trust your read. Not that I have a "strong" read on Maxous anyway, but he's not in my lynch pool for D1, so it would take me more than just your word of honour to sheep you there.

And I still don't see how this was a crumb or indicated that you were taking Max out of the lynchpool because you decided to target them.

[ofrhz]

FGS, ofrhz.. did you play X, Y & Z too much you copied their dumbass stupidity??

You do NOT RB the ones you suspect the most unless they were the last scum. The one you suspect the most id NOT going to perform the kill. The one that is higher on your reads is most likely the one who does.

My aim is to block the kill, and IF NOT then verify the person with the action.

So you were aiming to block the kill last night? Or are you talking about max?

[ofrhz]

I'm out of here before I say something stupid.

Just a few questions before I go: Is Max shot for Maxous or Maxwell? And is this an 'O' letter or a zero at the start of your username? And why did you use two question marks rather than a comma and one question mark at the end?

My question wasn’t unreasonable nor would it have taken more than five seconds to answer it

VOTE: AP

[ofrhz]

mfw saudade has more posts than me

[ofrhz]

mfw saudade has more posts than me

And that's exactly how much impact you've had on the game.

I think you’re scumreading me for

1) not reading the game and

2) being disengaged.

I think I’ve already clarified that what you thought was me not reading the game was actually poor phrasing on my part

Generally, I don’t think me being disengaged is AI, and idk why you think it is. I remember lurking through most of PYP X/Y as town. There are some other examples, but that’s the only one I could think of with you in it. This game in particular hasn’t been interesting since like halfway through D2, and I think that’s a collective feeling.

[ofrhz]

VOTE: xx2008

placing vote here for now, as leaning this is the better lynch

Why?

What do you think about xx’s associatives?

[ofrhz]

The biggest thing was the wagon on xx that shortaru started near the end of day 1. It looked like shortaru was trying to derail the flubber wagon by questioning people who hopped on, and I think it’s unlikely he’d try to derail a wagon on one partner only to start another

[ofrhz]

I still think rc is a good lynch for today.

RCE is not a good lynch. He claimed that he has a protective action left, so if he’s town, then FL won’t be NK’d tonight.

[ofrhz]

VOTE: AP

If I die tonight, RCE is conf scum. Watch them all be scum JOATS.

[ofrhz]

maybe AP is town

VOTE: saudade

[ofrhz]

RCE why are you still voting for me

[ofrhz]

What are we doing guys

Consolidate wagons please

[ofrhz]

I’ll vote Shattiel just to get a lynch through, but I’m not confident in him flipping scum

[ofrhz]

Intent

[ofrhz]

You’re still voting me

If you vote saudade and FL is willing to hammer, we don’t have t9 lynch Shattiel

[ofrhz]

Hi!!!

[ofrhz]

VOTE: shattiel

[ofrhz]

gg

Thank you nk15 for modding!

scumteam is:
ofhrz

D:

[ofrhz]

Whoop