Large Normal 216 - Endgame

[profii]

What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

[profii]

VOTE: xx2008

Looks like a screen name that will be awkward to type out for your average phone poster - let’s remove it

[profii]

What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?

Do you think anyone could possibly do that?

[profii]

What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?

Do you think anyone could possibly do that?

No

Which is why I'm curious as to why you need to work from that basis

It’s probably the opposite - someone will say something like “X could be one of the 5 scums”

Then someone is all like “woah 5? 19p is usually 4 - that dudes informed”

Etc

I just wanted to see what people’s opinions of “normal” is - more for later than rn

[profii]

@profii - conftown yourself to me.

Yeah man, this should be easy.

[profii]

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?

Have you checked why that might be?

[profii]

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?

Have you checked why that might be?

I dont find troll posting AI if that is what you're asking

I guess so

Creature says don’t like, rather than scummy/towny in his chart...

I agree it’s troll posting and not AI

So that answers your question straight away - I wouldn’t bother voting there either

I kinda shutting you down a bit there - sorry I didn’t mean that, it all just seemed logically ok to me

[profii]

I think we are referring to garmr as trolling (I certainly was)

[profii]

I think we are referring to garmr as trolling (I certainly was)

Yes.

Why would it make sense to rate posts as like/dislike as opposed to scummy/not scummy?

@creature can you weigh in on this?

One theory could be that by RAG rating every post you “appear” transparent because you can’t hide your opinion on anything

But calling it like / dislike could be just giving yourself wiggle room if it all goes wrong

It’s tricky to decide because it’s very early and imo it’s not AI to change your mind, so potentially at some point Creature may go “player X was 10-2-1 but Y happened so now the score is 2-4-7” and I’m interested to see if he will overcome that scenario

Idk

[profii]

I don’t think we should be lynching Creature or RCE today

[profii]

This I don't like as it's trying to explain creatures actions despite him saying earlier it's better to ask why.

I dont get this.

Profii made worthwhile accusations that people should be thinking about as the game progresses.

It's more the fact he was talking about finding out deeper intentions earlier but that post does the opposite. It gives creature a plausible intention instead of finding out what his is.

I think Creature is town for ~reasons~ I won’t disclose rn

am I making it difficult for you to vote Creature because my ~reasons~ are right?

[profii]

This I don't like as it's trying to explain creatures actions despite him saying earlier it's better to ask why.

I dont get this.

Profii made worthwhile accusations that people should be thinking about as the game progresses.

It's more the fact he was talking about finding out deeper intentions earlier but that post does the opposite. It gives creature a plausible intention instead of finding out what his is.

I think Creature is town for ~reasons~ I won’t disclose rn

am I making it difficult for you to vote Creature because my ~reasons~ are right?

I'm not sure if your post intended to come out this way but it sounds somewhat passive aggressive. I wouldn't know if your reasons are right it's still somewhat early game. Also I don't mind if you make it difficult for me it creates debate and information.

i like to bait a bit

I think I'm sheeping ofrhz jumping to a conclusion, could just be wrong, but i wondered if you were informed if you reacted in a way that might reinforce the ~reason~ actually being right.

we will find out later, still not worth a lynch right now

[profii]

If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.

do you frequently encourage policy lynching inactives?

[profii]

I'm still in the... game is early, people are finding their rhythm... kinda phase. I'm cool for a bit yet

[profii]

I'm never obv town I thought I was doing better in my last game but after it finished I realised 3 people with night actions checked me so it wasn't through my own actions

[profii]

@ofrhz - yeah I might be guessing at why you made that town read, but it seemed like you would spot the reason I’m thinking based on that game we just finished

[profii]

I'm never obv town I thought I was doing better in my last game but after it finished I realised 3 people with night actions checked me so it wasn't through my own actions

To be fair, I investigated you specifically for one post right before a scum lynch, not because of your play in a general sense.

Tbh I didn’t really think about scum PR I just was hoping to be a BT sacrifice haha

[profii]

@ofrhz - yeah I might be guessing at why you made that town read, but it seemed like you would spot the reason I’m thinking based on that game we just finished

I think everyone who was in that game are townreading him for that reason, which actually makes me wary about how easy it would be for him to fake that as scum.

I mean creature who wasn’t in that game

[profii]

I actually have a good opinion of Creature now. In my experience, players who do things that are odd like not voting for an unexplained reason or making naked votes usually have a good reason for doing it and most scum would not like to attract so much attention this early. That said, I also didn't like that Profii offered a potential explanation for why Creature made his list before Creature could say anything.

I'm also liking Flubbernugget at the moment, they've made basically no fluff and have spent most of their posts giving reads or making pushes. They've been the most agressive scumhunter.

xx, Creature made 70 before you voted him in 83. If you think that post was very towny and it makes sense to organize posts into three groups instead of just towny/scummy, why did you vote him later? Did you vote him to gain information while liking that post or did you scumread him at the time? I would like to know how your read of Creature evolved.

I was just reflecting on the game thinking it’s time for me to take a proper direction - I flicked through the ISOs and CT here is bugging me

They seem like easy reasons to talk about

I going with Creature town rn, but it’s easy to jump in and say “woah he put himself out there it must be town”
Same with flubbernugget - great some questions from him, but it’s not really AI but looks good if you say something about that
Then a read on a relatively new player who has potentially posted something which is easy to paint as a mix up - usually just a noob-tell (no offence) not a scum tell

VOTE: CT


Also - I think Inferno is usually a pretty active dude in my experience of him so look forward to hearing more there

[profii]

OK, having seen the Nos vs Seph debacle I find myself obliged to apologize for the one I had with Seph in the previous game. It does look good from inside your shell, but ssing it from the outside I can see how that confuses everyone as hell.

Preliminary read is that this is a TvT, but I'm slightly more confident in the Seph read at this time. Nos and I will have to sort each other sometime soon if they're town.

@Nos: for some reason, everytime you type "ct" I go back to page #1 to verify CheekyTeeky is not in the game.

I played a game with Nos where we were both scum (scientific on my wiki) and I think Nos was more like 1 liners most of the way through - I don't recall him getting into a spat at all and feel like he'd try and go under the radar more as scum

idk seph well enough to judge even based on last game.

[profii]

I thought you'd spotted that creature was seemingly arbitrarily putting loads of RCE posts as town, why would someone do that?

[profii]

For the pocket of course

I'm wrong then so I'm gonna say what I was actually thinking.

In the last game, Ofrhz was surprised that someone made a read list where someone was a stronger town read than the IC.

Then Ofrhz concluded that this probably was a breadcrumb that they were a mason pair.

So I figured that Ofrhz looks for mason crumbs, so I was wondering if ofhrz was subtly suggesting that creature was town binning all of RCEs posts because mason crumbing - so my stance on those slots was lets leave that well alone until a bit more comes out.

now I assume you 2 have no intention of coming out as masons so I'm happy to share why I was being somewhat vague

[profii]

Flubb seems new and I'm bad at reading newbies but he's prob town.

Flubb ain’t new. We joined site within two weeks of each other, and we’ve had many an adventure together throughout the years.

not gonna lie he posts like one.
I guess thats normal then since you're not scum reading him?

I have a tendency to town read him when he’s scum

I was about to say I remember scum reading him as town, but then I remembered that was a game where I was scum so I did it on purpose

But I think that makes me wary if I know it's someone I can portray as a mislynch so I wanna be careful I don't mis-scum read flubber here. One to sort later...

[profii]

I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>

VOTE: flubbernugget

Vote fixed. Please try to vote correctly.

So this means Flubber is Town. Right?

I’m not one to speculate on fixed votes :p

[profii]

Profii, can you give a meta of Inferno? You implied you had played with him earlier. Is he prone to replacing out as scum or is he generally active as either scum or town?

I don’t think I’ve seen his scum game but his town game is quite distinct so you’d probably have noticed a change

I recall him replacing out due to seeing game spoilers (iirc a relation of his is on here) so props to him for not just cheating - I’m gonna say if he says he’s busy it’s just NAI

If he had tried to stay in with minimal posts I would have scum read it, hence I asked him to contribute earlier

[profii]

The former I guess I could judge if he's town based on if he reads me right


Seems like a trap

[profii]

I had 2 thoughts:
The statement you made could almost be a trap because you made 15 posts - if I can read you correctly -right now- then you could go “you must be informed”
Else you’re basically saying don’t scum read me please or I will shade the bejebus out of you

I kinda think that’s either a very carefully constructed ploy to shade me or you just mean how will I read you as the game goes on


Based a lot on that last post, I don’t think you were being intentionally conniving - but I had forgotten we have scummed together so I’m going to go read back and see what I think about that

My read on Creature is kinda reset because I dismissed my mason theory so I still think that’s a bit early to say

I assume you mean garmr (lol) _ I like what I see so far

[profii]

and I would think that since you're the only person who's seen both sides,

which game were we in with you scum?

[profii]

Ta that will help

I’m leaning town on you thus far

[profii]

Ofrhz noted you were town binning all the RCE posts

I thought that might be a mason crumb

Which obviously would make you both town

But now I think that theory is a stretch

[profii]

I kind of have bad vibes on DVa but I really don't know why yet...

They entered the game with setup spec and no reads (something I have already mentioned).

That's pretty fishy, and for better reason than "bad vibes"

I'm starting to think you're just pulling soft stances out of your ass

That’s quite a good point on DVa - when you look at the iso, 201 is critical of AP for not being forthcoming with any significant stances, yet that post is the 2nd post from DVa containing any significant reasoning about another player

[profii]

That is in fact what I do

By luck or by judgement I guess it all counts

[profii]

That’s quite a good point on DVa - when you look at the iso, 201 is critical of AP for not being forthcoming with any significant stances, yet that post is the 2nd post from DVa containing any significant reasoning about another player

Yes, because AP has a history of shitposting for entire dayphases, so I think it's good to establish early on that if he trolls in the game this game he'll get lynched

If sorting is to be productive we need to knock the trolls into line first

I’m familiar with AP and I’m also familiar with troll posters and their detrimental effect on games


However it is pertinent that my point was your lack of reads at that time and you elected not to addresss that

[profii]

However it is pertinent that my point was your lack of reads at that time and you elected not to addresss that

What are you talking about? I gave my first impressions in 91.

I didn't really factor 91 in as a first impression given it was a response to "anyone one to guess the entire scum team on day 1"

Until 192/201 - I didn't take anything as a significant opinion from your iso.

I don't even mind setup spec, it's useful to know what's going on to a degree - I was the one that asked about typical scum numbers after all.
I also agree with your point that "scum hunting" (puke) isn't really working in this game but I am not sure I want to look for the damage limitation lynch just yet

[profii]

she's reversed into finding the town slots and pulling scum from the scraps, I like it.

that's a neat way to think of it, so I'm going to sort the player list and see what happens -
Here is my list

Townier than not
RCEnigma
DVa
flubbernugget
Completely Trustworthy
Shattiel
AP
Nos
Garmr
Performer

Null
ofrhz
FA_Q2
Seph
Inferno
Maxous


Scummier than not
Creature
xx2008
carcalilly

Think I'll just post that and vote, rather than explain it and see what questions come out of it.

VOTE: carcalilly

[profii]

I wanna call you shattiel o neil every time I see you post

[profii]

Kinda wanna know why FA is posting elsewhere but not here.

[profii]

Yeah but if we just let the unsorted carry on with that it’s no good

You get to be the special exception today

[profii]

@Creature, that chart is for posts you like, don't like, or find neutral, as I've found while Reading through. But why do you say like/don't like rather than scummy or town?
Let me vote you.
VOTE: creature

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

Regarding your view on shattiel, I think your post is kind of scummy, because at the point of this post, shattiel has only made two posts. I very slightly feel like you're trying to shade shattiel with your post.
But after you made your post, shattiel began posting, which could imply lurking, because if shattiel was simply inactive, she would not have had the time to read that many posts she missed and see your post about her inactivity. If you're town, then I can see a scum shattiel.

I've been taking a look at few isos I think someone may have pointed this out before? Not sure

But you voted him for the same reason you townread him later? I don't think your question to creature even clarified anything.
Then theres Seph push then pull also the posts in reply to AP's about me.
Theres alot of throwing shits to see what sticks.
xx2008 is prob a newbie but I don't think he deserves a vip pass

I made that vote on creature to get a reaction from him. Then, I unvote him later, after re-thinking the situation. Creature seems town to me.

How did creatures reaction help you deduce he is town

[profii]

I probably wont scumhunt this game and just obvtown, there's too many variables to sort and too many people so I'll just chill okay?

If you don’t wanna scum hunt imma cop you >=[

[profii]

I probably wont scumhunt this game and just obvtown, there's too many variables to sort and too many people so I'll just chill okay?

If you don’t wanna scum hunt imma cop you >=[

why cop me when im going to obvtown anyway??

Idk flavour said I need to obv town

When me and flavour played a game - Tchill said he didn’t want to scum hunt (amongst other stuff) so I decided to weak visitor him but my last post was imma cop you >=[ so everyone knew what to do

I’m trying to signal to FL I am town because he is an inno

I may or may not have investigative power that post wasn’t really for you

[profii]

I hardclaim mason with flavor leaf
flavor leaf please confirm

FA_Q2 has been prodded.
Pine is being replaced.

Pine?

[profii]

I hardclaim mason with flavor leaf
flavor leaf please confirm

You confuse me too

[profii]

“People often forget to read the rules"

[profii]

Profii, you voted me in 258 and later said I was townier than not in 520. Can you explain how your read changed?

At the point I scum read you there I was writing xx2008 off as new player comes over as scummy syndrome

Then when I went through _every_ iso yesterday (or at least every player I wasn’t confident in my leans) I decided I though xx2008 wa actually scummy and therefore your challenge of him was actually good and towny rather than an easy thing to challenge


Basically - Initially I think I read your post in ISO so i scum read you for going at low hanging fruit, but in the context of the whole thread I was ok with it given the other players I found scummy in my updated list

Not sure if that will make sense but does in my head

[profii]

Carcalilly - hypothetical - if we have a vig, what would be your opinion on no lynching at letting the vig make our kill for us on the basis we would know it would be town chosen and not scum influenced

Given there is a vibe that scum hunting isn’t really working maybe it could work?

[profii]

Carcalilly - hypothetical

Damn DVa - patience please

[profii]

@xx2008

I’ll just c+p to avoid the quote wall

Creature seemed calm, and re-thinking the situation, I realized that making such a list of all the posts is a towny action itself. First, it takes a lot of work to make the chart and keep track of all the posts, which is probably why he stopped making the chart after a while. Secondly, it's a window into his alignment.

So in your opinion would you say that creatures chart included some solid towny/scummy indications on certain players?
How much consideration do you give to the theory that the chart didn’t last long and the ratings could be vague enough for Creature to say what he likes in future - I am certain I could go in his iso and find him saying it’s scummy/not scummy and it’s posts he likes/doesn’t like so there is potential for changing of ones tune which I personally don’t really like

[profii]

What the Christ

[profii]

More prod dodging to follow in 24 hours

I'm starting to feel quite uncomfortable with this.

Why? What if it had just said VLA

[profii]

Max and I are actually masons

Did Max confirm? It would be easy for a Cop to verify TWO slots if that was the case. I don't think faking Masons is a large is at all a good idea, so I'm tentatively removing Max from my D1 lynch pool.

Anyone bothered that AP is suggesting a direction for any potential investigations here

[profii]

Anyone bothered that AP is suggesting a direction for any potential investigations here

Did I say "tonight" though?

Does it even matter if you said tonight or not?

Of course it does. If a Mason flips BEFORE they are checked then obviously there is no need to check the other. Also not specifying when to do the check doesn't take away the option for the investigative ti check wherever they like at any given night, including N1.

Me saying the duo could be verified with one check is more of a justification to leave them alone than it is "directing an investigative" to do a check on them.

I didn’t say tonight either....

You are right as soon as 1 mason flips, the other is pretty much a guarantee but we all know that

Something still isn’t right - a cop wouldn’t verify both slots anyway - a _rolecop_ would but you said cop

Dunno if this was just you typing quickly or a slot. I just don’t like that post that started this

[profii]

I still think carcalilly is the most scummy - I don’t recall her saying vla and she’s gone from making multiple posts per day to disappearing off the face of the earth after a little bit of pressure surfaced

[profii]

Like, IRL we say call a Homicide Detective "Cop", and yet the Traffic Officer we still call them "Cop". It doesn't matter if they're a Lieutenant, a Sergeant, a Captain or even Commissioner. If they are "Police" they are "Cops" or "Coppers".

but this is a game where those sorts of details actually matter because they make a difference.

[profii]

a compromise lynch is probably a good way to describe how i feel about flubber.

people saying they cant read flubber makes it an easy place for scum to hide

so i wont be joining that particular wagon

[profii]

VOTE: seph

I'm ok with that

[profii]

Eh you can’t let doctor evil win here

[profii]

VOTE: seph

I'm ok with that

which posts specifically give Seph more scum equity for you than other players in the poe?

More a gut choice from the POE pool of suggestions

[profii]

I had an epiphany - I think, given the rules about shorter and shorter days and the way a particular person is player, I could hazard a guess at who a serial killer probably could be.

Last time I came up against a serial killer they shot people out of the lynch pool consistently so I'll not out them at this point - hopefully they help us.

I wasn't intending on lynching them thus far, but for today at least, I definitely wont.

Interesting.

[profii]

I had an epiphany - I think, given the rules about shorter and shorter days and the way a particular person is player, I could hazard a guess at who a serial killer probably could be.

Last time I came up against a serial killer they shot people out of the lynch pool consistently so I'll not out them at this point - hopefully they help us.

I wasn't intending on lynching them thus far, but for today at least, I definitely wont.

Interesting.

You like getting shot? This is how you get shot.

ok well it's up to you to not get shot because I am going to transmit the identity of our potential serial killer to you telepathically in 09.13 seconds.

wait for it...

got it? good.

look at how that person is just pushing people to the threshold of "willing to lynch" rather than "finding them scummy"

it's serial killer esque.

[profii]

I had an epiphany - I think, given the rules about shorter and shorter days and the way a particular person is player, I could hazard a guess at who a serial killer probably could be.

Last time I came up against a serial killer they shot people out of the lynch pool consistently so I'll not out them at this point - hopefully they help us.

I wasn't intending on lynching them thus far, but for today at least, I definitely wont.

Interesting.

You like getting shot? This is how you get shot.

I am playing in a way right now to not get shot.

My idea is that if there is a serial killer, they know they have to behave and help town. If not we can out this theory more fully once we get 2 kills to a) prove their existence and if b) at least one of said kills isn't pro town.

[profii]

^I've been duped by scum pretending to derp town - i assume seph should not be derp towning. i'd vote if my vote wasnt already there

[profii]

that's just hoping against hope.

hope is not a strategy

i love saying that to people when they tell me how they hope to do stuff at work... they always look devastated haha

[profii]

@profi LOL how atrocious of you to tell people that at work.

If you are doing something on my behalf you would know you wont get away with telling me you 'hope' your plans will work

go make sure and do it properly ;P

[profii]

VOTE: saudade

[profii]

@Saudade

Pick the sentence most applicable to you

- I am sleeping FL because I like the cases he makes on others
- I am sleeping FL because he is IC therefore I at least know his intentions are pure

[profii]

Lol sleeping - obviously that should say sheeping

(Which just got auto corrected to sheeting wtf is going on... ha)

[profii]

Still don't understand why we're not wagoning active lurker extraordinaire Ofhrz right now

sheeping this reason, much preferable to flubber

VOTE: ofrhz

[profii]

readslist at the moment:

seems likelier town than not

garm saying he thought saud was town due to 1 game but not ct, is simply wth. increasingly annoying because he never can townread me. Also I find his shattiel tunnel increasingly suspicious. However I think he's town based on how he's going about this phase - including his case on shatt which looked like a major effort to sort the slot & his interaction with creat. One major town tell of garm's is he goes ballistic when he feels like he's being voted unfairly, to the point of game throwing. In the 3 years onsite playing with him, I don't think I've ever seen this part of his town play change, so that's something.

saud - ignored my question to him about flubb & shatt. I don't think he's scum here. I definitely can't blame his obvious want of sheeping FL , I mean come on, any reasonable town would want to since FL is confirmed town. Though his scum range is vast, later on he should be easier to read. This is because he can post a ton as both alignments

carca - her (annoying) but affectionate town self. She's affectionate about specific people she's familiar with and can be very hard to work with. Both of these are her town tells. Crazy I know, but she doesn't operate in a standard town way, which I came to realize after our 2 town games together

rce - I liked his thought processes and also am in the same stance toward ap, but I find his read on me somewhat fishy. Something seemed off about his reply to me . Anyway he seems more engaged in this game rather than lurking like he did in his scum game with ofrhz

dva - ofhrz's reply about dva's meta didn't help me improve my sorting of her. I read her scum game and couldn't find notable differences there than her play this game. Had her as sr but moved to tr - I really like that she's been talking to me about poe . Disclaimer: (as garm & nos know) I'm horrible at spotting people who buddy me

max - had him as an sr before his big readslist, in which I agree with those 3 sr. Extremely appalled that he bunched me together with ct

nos - likely town. Still resentful toward him for his messy use of his JOAT role in the game we came from. Afaik, town nos goes by tone reading, has a somewhat rebellious tone in his posts, and scum nos works like he has an agenda and has unsupported cases for why someone should be lynched (for example, bare vote or unexplained sr on his reads list)

shatt - had him as sr but later moved to tr. His terrible admission to fake claiming and the interactions from that, made me think he was townier than not...this is also based on meta I've seen. It's clearly not good town play via FM 101, but whatever, I'm not being paid to be an advanced FM instructor here

Performer - this slot grows into something beautiful for the town.

pit of despair

ct - his engagement seemed like he's been sorting but otherwise, I get the growing feeling that he's lurking. He popped up whenever I mentioned him, which added to my paranoia. Feels like he fell off the face of the Earth. No longer a tr for me

GE/faq - one of his catchup posts after replacing in, mentioned if Cheeky (CheekyTeeky/Wh4t) is in the game - this I saw as a fluff post because anyone could tell that she was NOT in the game. His string of cathcup posts look like busywork which is what he did in his scum game in NY 213 large normal that I, FL, A50, Creature, and others came from

xx2008 - had him as tr but removed him from it after an ISO of him. I want to see his updated flubber read as he was the lead wagon at the time I asked, rather than just see him get onto ofrhz. In fact, I want to see his scumreads

flubber - FL's meta reply didn't help me sort him and his posts don't give me a solid tr

shortaru/creature - sorry dude, I think you replaced into a scum slot. I was thinking this was creat's scum game after his interaction with garm as well as how much he's been lurking (lack of much engagement)

sephiroth - enough has been said here from me. I also don't like that he thought FL voted him because of a grudge because that makes no sense. FL is too advanced and too professional to sink to using some ridiculous move like that

profii - still can't get a good townread on him

ap - extremely bizarre, not in a town way. Somehow read carca scum based off a scum game of hers he was in, yet read seph as hard town based off 1 game of his he was in. His posts have just been too weird, including the interaction with FL and the interaction with me about having gone into why seph was town but I pointed out he didn't point that out. Something's off about him

ofrhz - obviously lurking and at this rate he will be replaced. I think he's coasting like he does in his scum game I read, where rce & him were scum

from my POV that was a lot of scrolling for a bit of an anti climax

Haha probably about to fall asleep but leave me some questions to help me sort myself for you

[profii]

xx2008 feels better than Ofrhz to me and I the only way I'm voting flubber

today

is in the dying minutes to avoid a no lynch because I suck at sorting him this early.

[profii]

the only way I'm voting flubber today is in the dying minutes to avoid a no lynch because I suck at sorting him this early.

tell us the story of why you're unwilling to give a read of the leading wagon

well I mislynched him as scum once and he initially was playing in a similar way to that game so I think I was believing my own lies that I'd invented a way of portraying his playstyle as scummy but simultaneously reminding myself that it was me being scummy

however

given your prompt, I also reflected on my own stance and figured I've become a bit stubborn so I just re-read Flubbers ISO - whilst it starts well with the normal flubber style of innocent enough questions, they do dry up and the iso doesn't continue in this promising direction

so I guess I could get on this wagon

VOTE: flubber

I flicked through the thread, not sure what vc is. I'm too lazy to count, don't think it's Kenny Logan for Flubber yet though

[profii]

@Saudade

Pick the sentence most applicable to you

- I am sleeping FL because I like the cases he makes on others
- I am sleeping FL because he is IC therefore I at least know his intentions are pure

VOTE: unvote
Lord flavor unvotes so I must follow

I think you fit in the latter

which makes me think you have found a way to coast through the day without scum hunting.

Whilst I would happily lynch you, I assume a wagon will not form on your right now so just putting the across clearly for later

[profii]

@Saudade

Pick the sentence most applicable to you

- I am sleeping FL because I like the cases he makes on others
- I am sleeping FL because he is IC therefore I at least know his intentions are pure

VOTE: unvote
Lord flavor unvotes so I must follow

I think you fit in the latter

which makes me think you have found a way to coast through the day without scum hunting.

Whilst I would happily lynch you, I assume a wagon will not form on your right now so just putting the across clearly for later

@ Flubber - your thoughts on Saudade sheeping FL please?

[profii]

RCE

[profii]

Ah I forgot.

Never put unclaimed people on L-1 in large games.

Happens in micro’s.

Idk what this projecting is.

Like actually, Maxous is hardscum.

More or less than RCE please?

[profii]

FYI I think when RCE resigned Flubber to a compromise lynch it came across as informed

[profii]

Also Flavor is still alive so I can continue doing fuck all,
Good night boys

VOTE: Saudade

I thought DVa was gonna be SK for pursuing any lynch but never mind :-/

[profii]

Maxous, add a sheep to your flock

VOTE: AP

[profii]

VOTE: DVa

Why.

That's a strange choice.

I'm still not liking Creature who made a weak swipe at Garmr and then just fluff posted the rest.

I don't like the Flubber wagon.

VOTE: AP

Shattiel and Seph are poor wagons imo.

Flubbernugget...i'm on the fence there. I'm struggling to get a proper read.

{Shattiel, Sephiroth, Garmr, Carcalilly}

These would be the four that come across as the most genuine and that i would be confident in calling town. Please don't ask for town-cases.

{Performer, Completly Trustworthy}

I would put these two players in the same bracket.
Their posting is competent and probing but nothing i couldn't see scum faking. They both come across are pretty strong players as well.
So, i have zero reason to scum-read them but wouldn't quite label them as town

profii

- town lean. I don't have any problem with him and he generally seems helpful and inquisitive. Doesn't come across as someone that would be particularly hard to read as scum

DVa

- probably town when i think about it. I think i have some real playstyle issues with his approach to people but ehh, Dva does seem to be genuinely scumhunting in his own way

xx2008

- hard to say. Reads are basic but he is a newer player. I'll put him on the shelf for now

Nosferatu

- seems town but he's intentionally obscure which is probably a playstyle thing. Hard to be too sure in the read.

RCEnigma

- i flip-flop a lot on reading this guy. I think my read here could hinge on some flips we get considering that read-list i highlighted earlier which i think is way off-base.

Flubbernugget

- I'm really struggling to get any proper read on Flubber here and i've tried a few times because of the wagon. I could see him being scum tbh though i don't feel strongly about it

Gamma Emerald

- wasn't too impressed with the catch-up to be honest. Came across as busy work that went nowhere.

Saudade

- *throws hands in air*
He's just lazy. I would lynch him.

-
Still have the same 3 scum-reads.

Creature

- made a poor start to the game and flailed like crazy when people asked him simple questions about his reads. He's just sheeping the confirmed town now and is not even giving reads anymore.
Propably just trying to stay quiet and let the heat die down on him.

AP

- He has very few scumreads I can find for someone that has written so many posts. I think some of his town reads that he was giving were overly simplistic and fake to the point where i have a hard time believing he was genuine about them.

ofrhz

- I explained here my problem with his early play. Since then he's done nothing but sheep the confirmed town. Could be lazy town i suppose but meh, feels more like low effort scum

I guess Flubber is happening.

I hate to be on the fence about it...but i'm completely on the fence

Going through Flubber's ISO, I don't think he was buddies with Creature, now Nero Cain.
He pushed hard and early in a way i think was unnecessary even if he was bussing.

It's hard to draw much conclusions about Flubber's later votes because at those points he was under pressure for a lot of Day 1 and may have thrown some distancing in there.

UNVOTE:

Just read Maxous ISO - there are approx 5 references to Flubber where Maxous says he is unable to sort Flubber - this is not unreasonable as I felt the same tbh - what I don’t like though is that that is the first point Maxous makes about AP but Maxous should understand that is a fair position given that’s 3 of us who apparently felt that way and there was probably more

Dunno if I should go safety vote xx2008 or just go balls out and call out Maxous for that potentially shady case on AP

[profii]

Maxous/Profii/Performer << One of these 3 is scum. I dunno which, but this early push on me feels unnatural

That’s another thing that bothered me - the thread has just opened and Maxous has gone from not posting much content in day 1 to flying straight in with a case on AP

Like I can’t be bothered to read up during night (busy IRL) so far I’m just reacting to people which is why I’m a bit scatty so far

Sure I guess people can make cases over night but what if that person got NKd - so that was making me think how did Maxous find all that so fast - perhaps planned

[profii]

VOTE: Maxous


Feels right

[profii]

I’ll go Maxous / xx / Saudade in that order

[profii]

@profi
I wanted to ask your reasoning before I made judgement.

I guess my scum hunting flavour of the month has been catching people who give away they are informed of their team

I wasn’t really thinking of informed roles as I’ve only seen that role in the last couple of games I’ve played

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an informed player know something juicy enough that I’d risk the association

[profii]

Also AP...are you saying daychat and pregame chats are the same? It appears like that's what you're saying.

No. I'm saying scum do not have day chat, so for them to know what Flubber knew they need to have had pre-game chat.

@Mod: Did Scum have their PTs open in pre-game?

If they are able to talk during the day, yes.
Otherwise, no.

That’s not what I’d expect
Normally pre-game is a sort of Night 0 when it comes to PTs.

NK is being super strict with rules imo - I wouldn’t be totally surprised if something was different to usual - I don’t usually have to quote the rules in my reply to the mod

[profii]

@AP other than max/prof/me, what's your scum pool looking like now.

Who says you're in my scum pool? I said ONE scum in that pool, so why do you think it refers to you in precise?

Do you have a particular scum read?

[profii]

I am leaning Maxous over you two. Performer's views today look too weird to come from scum, whether informed or not. They're drawing way too much attention his way for no good reason. Profii I am less certain about because he voted me then flipped on Maxous. I dunno if that was a thoughtless town move or an elaborate scum move, but I'm still leaning the former and I am not yet ready to vote him either.

Maxous' leading the wagon on me and doubling down on an already bad case with more bad arguments is yucky. Looks like scum who shot themselves in the foot and can't find a way to retract.

I can tell you my exact thought process as I read the the thread following start day 2

1. Day 1 too long to reread, can’t be bothered let other people point stuff out
2. Saudade is actively sheeping FL still and nothing else. We should remove this from the game as it will be scum seeing how long he can coast for - I am p. Sure I have seen Saudade himself admit he did this in a scum game once, so hence the vote - also

this would be a great vig shot

3. Maxous made a push on you which looked good on the face of it, so I voted, no one seemed to be going Saudade
4. I did actually check Maxous ISO and his case on you became quite ironic as he did all the things he said you did, but worse imo


On reflection - I’m voting Maxous as a compromise to work with people, Saudade is the best lynch but people need to think about it - might go and find that previous game where Saudade said he scum coasted and got away with it

[profii]

So his sheeping FL day one was ok, but you voted him day 1

I've never been happy that Saudade doesn't want to scum hunt hence votes on d1 & d2

[profii]

In the newbie queue slots are marked as se/ic on the main post. Here it isn't marked as such but IC keeps being brought up in different context. Which is where I think it's confusing him.

this seems a fair appraisal

[profii]

I would prefer in the pool of Shattiel/Nero/Sephiroth

Let's see:

Nero (Creature/Short)

Spoiler: words

Creature listed flubbers posts as 2-2-0 G-A-R when he was doing that shtick.
random list in 702 creature willing to lynch flubber, but was also willing to lynch a wide range of players.
716 the list got whittled down a bit, flubber was still in the final 5 but creature prefers Seph, a scum!nero flip would indicate seph being a counter wagon here I guess.
728 *if anyone checks these things, go back and read this in context* - DVa was trying to round up the gang to wagon and ofrhz pointed out Seph was VLA so flubber was better, which makes 728 a weird comment.
774 bit weird that creature claims his list was ordered and our IC FL was 3rd bottom idk what this means

*Insert Shortaru*

1217 picks up straight away flubber is a strong lynch contender, would obviously now look for signs of concern if short is scum
1225 & 1226 challenges flubbers logic on scum theatre...
1228 & 1229 doesn't like the naked vote on flubber, despite last notable posts challenging flubber.
1258 asks for a case on flubber, picks up that it is active lurking then tries to say is that just flubbers way
1274 a case on xx2008 - if I'm looking for scum in this iso, you could say this is a distraction.


*Nero*
made 1 post.... blah

Ok so Shattiel

Spoiler: words

initially calls out Flubber as noob-style
He spends a lot of time messing about with what role/modifier he might be
Makes a case on xx2008 at 514 - mental note, much earlier than shorts...
The biggest running theme is soft defences of Creature.
945 mental note - go check the vote count here, pretty good scum call here, if there is any pressure on flubber you'd probably not bus that hard on day 1. I like this post.
1317 I never like these restrictions of lynch pools, especially now we know flub was red.
1328 wont random lynch there - seems weird if 1 scum is in a pool of 4, rather than finding maybe 4 in 19.

and finally Seph

Spoiler: blah

first of all, mental note having been through those 2 ISOs above,those 2 town read seph quite a bit so idk lets see how this goes...

initial pressure is on creature and his record keeping.
then the big 1v1 vs Nos.
but then again this is a slot that doesn't really go anywhere in particular, there is a comment towards the end regarding flubber and seph specifically say not trying to dismiss the wagon but Seph claims to be good at scum, so this ~could~ be a better way of doing what short was trying to do

I'd probably say Nero looks scummy (thanks to Short more than anything), the other 2 not so much.

[profii]

VOTE: Maxous


Feels right

You're worrying me slightly but I see where you're coming from.

AP makes me more paranoid, he seems like a much better player than what you can see for now.

seems like Maxous is doing everything he is criticising AP for but worse than then case Maxous actually made, so if that's a reason to lynch someone...

But I think I'm gonna go Nero

VOTE: Nero Cain

[profii]

I am a multitasking JOAT.

I jailkept FL, voyeured Nos, tracked maxous, and motion detected AP.
Nos was because he was one of my earliest townreads in here & other people were tring him, so I thought scum might visit him somehow.
Max because FL dubbed him scum so I trusted in that.
AP - I don't think I need to further explain why I detected him of all the players lol.

So what were were the results of each?

[profii]

I’ve just realised what’s going on

Ha ha

[profii]

I am a multitasking JOAT.

I jailkept FL, voyeured Nos, tracked maxous, and motion detected AP.
Nos was because he was one of my earliest townreads in here & other people were tring him, so I thought scum might visit him somehow.
Max because FL dubbed him scum so I trusted in that.
AP - I don't think I need to further explain why I detected him of all the players lol.

So what were were the results of each?

I do want those results through.

Theyll come

[profii]

I figured you were gonna wait to see if anyone, I guess AP slipped in anyway. Boo

[profii]

Surely AP has gotta be pretty forthcoming if he is a PR - surely Performer just uses one of his powers on him again to check him

[profii]

I love it when people go "If there was motion on/from that slot they must be scum"! Motion Detector cannot even tell if I performed an action or one was performed on me (or both).

But sure, lynch me. The game is not fun and my role isn't fun either. I don't even know why it exists in the first place.

I mean, I do see the functionality from a mechanical PoV, but it tells

me

nothing, so I'm probably shooting blanks in all directions.

Surely now if you hard claim there is some chance your role can be verified via watcher etc which would make you town which would at least be useful

[profii]

AP -

you had Maxous in your very large willing to lynch list 281
you then took him out of your lynchpool, largely seemingly because Shattiel claimed masons with Maxous, and you concluded if there was a towny in that claim, it would be the one that didn't claim (which is logical)

From there to end of day 1, you never put Maxous back in the lynch pool

so if you are claiming town-disloyal-roleblocker - why did you think maxous was a better target than anyone you'd been scum reading through day 1?

[profii]

so if you are claiming town-disloyal-roleblocker - why did you think maxous was a better target than anyone you'd been scum reading through day 1?

1- I didn't have any confident SRs on D1
2- It is common that the most suspected Scum won't act on N1 (for fear of being caught red handed)
3- Don't rely much on my declared reads on D1. ofrhz wasn't my top SR by the end of D1 in this game, but that's whom I checked and got a soft guilty on.

hmm

1- sure, I didn't either, I don't think many people will come forward and genuinely claim they did.
2- I am not the most experienced at scum, but I don't think I have not used an action that often. I'd dispute this statement.
3- hmm - I guess, you target someone and if they come out and say "I got such and such result" you know they are legit, but this quickly outs town PRs. Your best move is to hope to hit scum as creating innos, whilst possible, isn't really optimal for your role

so I'm not really convinced that you wouldn't toss up the options and go 'well I acted upon slot X because out of the various lack of scummy activity, I felt that even just this single post from player Y was worth trying to block because it was slightly scummy'

so I am not liking that you went for maxous, seems off.

[profii]

Now tell me again.. what do you think is strong or enjoyable about my role here?

be pretty cool if you hit the night killer. I know the odds are long but that's a glorious plus

[profii]

I think the only time I've seen disloyal was in a game where we had a disloyal fruit vendor (scum) and there was also a loyal fruit vendor (town) in the game.

If I recall correctly, the scum FV claimed odd night and no actioned to make it look real, then we also faked a scum fruit vend

I'm trying to work out if the disloyal claim is town indicative, because it tells scum "I am more of a risk to you because I can't hurt town therefore, certain death for me"

[profii]

pray do tell how we can more easily read profii. seriously.

here is a simple guide

[profii]

AP


Were you waiting for something to happen between responding to the motion detection outage and specifically saying you were disloyal rb

I mean it’s obvious that you knew what you were going to claim in the first post, but there was like a 9 hour gap before you totally cleared things up - were you waiting for someone (Maxous?) to say something to verify something?

[profii]

If Maxous was scum I take it the rb would obviously be successful and that would make performers result too

Not saying it’s probable at this point, justits possible and fits

[profii]

VOTE: Maxous


Feels right

You're worrying me slightly but I see where you're coming from.

AP makes me more paranoid, he seems like a much better player than what you can see for now.

Can you explain why you find Maxous case more compelling than my point about Maxous doing exactly what he accused AP of

FTR I’m now leaning town on AP and Maxous

[profii]

ya man it's a short day people need to chop chop

[profii]

Although is 11 people not voting and the only wagon being AP a scum sign that it's hard to get people on board

or is it just rational people aren't rushing towards a motion detection


i assume the latter

[profii]

What about Carcalilly

[profii]

He said that if he were doc, he would target profii, because he hard tr'ed him in one of the posts. In another, he says that the person he targets to protect would be whoever the scumteam is most likely to target that night and is not necessarily his top tr.
Since this is a fully closed setup, could there be a chance ap is fake claiming? What I'm thinking is that a fake claim from scum makes town confused even more when they try to speculate what roles there are in the game. It also gives scum the chance to stay alive, even if for a while. Do fake claims from scum usually happen in fully closed games?

There's a chance AP could be fake claiming , yes.
Who do you think are scum right now?

Something still feels off about nero cain, GE, xx2008, profii, saud, and I've added garm onto that list.
If ap+fl+I vote together, saud basically would be like a doublevoter with us since he seems to be super sheeping FL.
The problem with xx being scum is that he declared dva scum at least once in his ISO. So.. that doesn't seem to make sense if he's scum? Because as scum why would he tell his 2 other (if going off 4-man scum team) teammates to kill 1 of his sr? I'd think he would want dva alive to pocket or mislynch her.
profi - from a skim of his ISO, he has voted xx, ct, carca - recently mentioned carca again in his post. Something off about profi.
Nero - what are your reads right now? profi said you're scum & you said you were doing re ISOs of scum pool.
GE - I think I've said enough about GE
Garm - said he needed to think, and vanished

Why are you allowing Saudade into your town block vote power thing but disregarding that I’ve voted for him when you say something is off about me

[profii]

I’ve been looking at Saudade - but like outside of this game too - I think whilst playing he had got a N_M style about him but I’ve also noticed he goes out of character and becomes “normal” in the post game chat etc

So whilst the play style of “I’ll just follow the IC” is actively not scum hunting, also quite risky given we have both just seen FL take a massive risk on that mason claim - I’ll put that down to Saudade just strictly following a meta so he can produce it as town or scum


He needs a PR to sort basically. He could be a day 1 pl in terms of we know he will be impossible to sort let’s get the game moving but that moments passed


I’ll just ignore him for until he starts thinking for himself

[profii]

Also I think profii was sucking up to performer somewhat a bit so I don't think they would be scum together somewhat.

I’ve just realised what’s going on

Ha ha

I figured you were gonna wait to see if anyone, I guess AP slipped in anyway. Boo

I assumed Perfs result meant he wanted someone to say IDK what this could be so he could go “well that makes this vague result look more like a guilty”

Not wanting to fully out that before it happened was not perf buddying, it was a signal to the numerous posters going “your actions are great but what’s was the results ?!” That perhaps they should desist for risk of disarming a trap

[profii]

I probably have some bias here but I still think maxous is town. His early reads were similar to mine day 1 and I have a soft spot for that but his latter reads for day 1 branched away from mine and were quite different so I don't feel like he was suckering me in.


The pace is slow this game and there's a couple of people who feel silent. Going to be a hypocrite here and say look at the number of unvotes.


VOTE: Profii

I also think Maxous is town

I recall a game where LyLo was me (T) una (S) and Mathdino, who replaced in

Me and Una were wall posting and wall posting about why each other were scum, I can distinctly remember being like “I’m arguing that Una did X, but technically, I kinda also did X, but it’s the only way I can push Una!scum - I hope this doesn’t back fire”

So I kinda feel like Maxous pushing AP for things he also did might be a similar thing, could be wrong but idk

Also AP seems engaged enough and answering questions in detail, he always gets a lil put out when a wagon starts on him - what I don’t recall is a time when I played with scum AP/a50 so I am going to go look and see if he maintains that pattern as scum- it’s certainly in his town range

[profii]

To clarify: AP is claiming to have roleblocked literally the one slot he knows for a fact didn't go anywhere - due to Performer's track result.
Quite a coincidence.

Who'd he claim to RB?

Me.
AFTER Performer gave his track results on me.

You can judge AP's reasoning for yourself

If AP were scum fakeclaiming disloyal RB, he could literally just choose any fucking townie and claim to have blocked them. And then he could just pretend the action failed because both him and his target were town.

He didn't have to claim to target someone that we knew didn't move last night.

Like, you're not thinking critically about this at all.

AP didn't use his result to push back on Maxous at all which was what I was looking for. But I also think AP is aware it would have discredited his claim. Still think his claim is genuine.

this is a good point actually

[profii]

I would prefer in the pool of Shattiel/Nero/Sephiroth

Let's see:

Nero (Creature/Short)

Spoiler: words

Creature listed flubbers posts as 2-2-0 G-A-R when he was doing that shtick.
random list in 702 creature willing to lynch flubber, but was also willing to lynch a wide range of players.
716 the list got whittled down a bit, flubber was still in the final 5 but creature prefers Seph, a scum!nero flip would indicate seph being a counter wagon here I guess.
728 *if anyone checks these things, go back and read this in context* - DVa was trying to round up the gang to wagon and ofrhz pointed out Seph was VLA so flubber was better, which makes 728 a weird comment.
774 bit weird that creature claims his list was ordered and our IC FL was 3rd bottom idk what this means

*Insert Shortaru*

1217 picks up straight away flubber is a strong lynch contender, would obviously now look for signs of concern if short is scum
1225 & 1226 challenges flubbers logic on scum theatre...
1228 & 1229 doesn't like the naked vote on flubber, despite last notable posts challenging flubber.
1258 asks for a case on flubber, picks up that it is active lurking then tries to say is that just flubbers way
1274 a case on xx2008 - if I'm looking for scum in this iso, you could say this is a distraction.


*Nero*
made 1 post.... blah

Ok so Shattiel

Spoiler: words

initially calls out Flubber as noob-style
He spends a lot of time messing about with what role/modifier he might be
Makes a case on xx2008 at 514 - mental note, much earlier than shorts...
The biggest running theme is soft defences of Creature.
945 mental note - go check the vote count here, pretty good scum call here, if there is any pressure on flubber you'd probably not bus that hard on day 1. I like this post.
1317 I never like these restrictions of lynch pools, especially now we know flub was red.
1328 wont random lynch there - seems weird if 1 scum is in a pool of 4, rather than finding maybe 4 in 19.

and finally Seph

Spoiler: blah

first of all, mental note having been through those 2 ISOs above,those 2 town read seph quite a bit so idk lets see how this goes...

initial pressure is on creature and his record keeping.
then the big 1v1 vs Nos.
but then again this is a slot that doesn't really go anywhere in particular, there is a comment towards the end regarding flubber and seph specifically say not trying to dismiss the wagon but Seph claims to be good at scum, so this ~could~ be a better way of doing what short was trying to do

I'd probably say Nero looks scummy (thanks to Short more than anything), the other 2 not so much.

i feel like the case on Nero is worth reading

I’m voting there

Also we just finished BoonyToonz where TChill made a subtle defence of a day 1 scum wagon, then fake claimed and the wagon died but on reflection, the day 1 defence should have ate rope - this is where I’m at with Shortarus posts relating to Flubber

[profii]

@ofrhz

No one is really flowing with scum reads in this game, it’s a bit unusual in that respect

[profii]

FL I’ll ask you about Nero later - not yet though, I know what you’re doing

[profii]

Also, I'm pretty sure FL should know I'm town by now. He knows why

Interesting.

@Saudade - who you thinking for the day?

Haven't read a single page this game, im not pretend meme-ing I'm literally not doing anything until you die lol

What game are you reading FL

[profii]

ok just checking

lets see how maxous and nero play out

[profii]

Why are we voting Nero

Go read shortaru iso and see if you think he was objecting to Flubber lynch rather than just “idk I can’t read Flubber”

[profii]

that doesnt really justify vanity votes on a stagnant wagon

It's literally only a vote behind the top wagons (the most being 3) and no ones not going to vote it. The fact you describe it as a vanity wagon is weird also why are you worried that this wagon is not taken off while ignoring other wagons which have less votes?

Yet still, that’s a lot of words and not a lot of actual reason
Noted

[profii]

that doesnt really justify vanity votes on a stagnant wagon

It's literally only a vote behind the top wagons (the most being 3) and no ones not going to vote it. The fact you describe it as a vanity wagon is weird also why are you worried that this wagon is not taken off while ignoring other wagons which have less votes?

Yet still, that’s a lot of words and not a lot of actual reason
Noted

It says that's it's not a stagnant wagon. Can't understand basic concepts noted.

Sassy

[profii]

lets see how maxous and nero play out

So you can stop with your shitty T/T false dilemma.

gamrs argument that there are other wagons aside, you 2 seem to have the momentum

[profii]

If I’m lynching whatever’s easiest why aren’t I in your scum pool for advocating a mislynch - surely that’s scummy

[profii]

id ask you about whats bad about saying short not wanting to lynch flubber but i dont think youll say much beyond 'my town pm lolol'

[profii]

I'll be checking what you're saying - whilst trying to un-pre-conf my mind as I just played with ofrhz/rce scum team so for them to both roll scum again would be funny.

obviously not impossible so ive gotta be open minded to that

[profii]

I somewhat find saudade's sheeping on fl's vote to be towny. fl is a confirmed town, and in the event that he votes a scum player, it would be hard for saudade to decline voting that person if he himself were scum.
I think ap could be fake claiming. It's strange how we have one town PR dead and two claimed. It's unlikely there are so many PRs in one game, as I remembered in the beginning of the game that people said our mod generally designed setups with few PRs. It's easier to claim disloyal rb and get away with it for scum. I'm currently scumreading him.
It would be hard to claim a multitasking JOAT and not be found out later in the game, so I believe performer's claim.
ofrhz is actively contributing and trying to find scum, which I like. However, I think him sheeping day1 wasn't exactly towny, which makes me wonder about his alignment.

I thought this post was where xx2008 moves from "I'm playing the noob card" into some definitive stances:

I disagree with the logic on Saudade, but he has decided Saudade is towny.
He has also decided AP is a fake claim and finds it scummy.
Whilst XX believes Perf, he doesn't specify an alignment. Although Perf got a couple of null results, I think a JOAT claim would be tough to fake long term anyway, arguably an easy slot to say that's towny.

So we have ofrhz is actively contributing and Nero is disputing that - mental note to see what I think here.


What I want to know is what does XX2008 think of Maxous ??

[profii]

sorry that wasn't clear, that's my fault

XX is town reading Ofrhz for actively contributing, nero is disputing that read and is scum reading - is more accurate.

looking back at the Ofrhz ISO - there is absolutely no hesitancy in ofrhz to go on flubber at any point at all. You could just lurk that one out but no... so I'm calling it town.

[profii]

Profii what makes a joat claim hard to sustain as scum?

well i was just looking for what you meant by bad things can happen if he keeps using all his powers - ive missed that

so answering before knowing what that means...

if Perf can activate all his powers every night, he is surely going to say result was X and the person is going to be a vanilla town (or vice versa) and go "say what" sooner or later.

[profii]

oic i missed that

[profii]

idk my knee jerk reaction was "all 6 of my abilities" means you can only use 5, saving 1 to keep yourself alive and then pass on results or something like that... or use JK last if you were confident of something (not meaning to be critical)

[profii]

i was thinking more like if you saved it til last and you knew there was 1 scum you might suicide yourself to stop a scum kill...

probably doesnt help to speculate on this

[profii]

This post is by profii

[profii]

What makes Seph more compelling than Nero, Perf?

[profii]

Why am I scum beyond my slot not lynching Flub?

to be fair that is my main focus

in the context of this game, i think we look at you or we look at APs potential fake claim and people like being heavily focused on it.

you are a lower risk as obviously we might lynch a town role blocker if we are wrong there... .i get it sure you can claim later

but i think tomorrow this can all be sorted out quite easily

[profii]

that's stale. move on.

Not sure it works like that

[profii]

Maxous - convince me Nero town please I don’t see it

[profii]

Maxous - convince me Nero town please I don’t see it

Because

a) Flubber aggressively went after Creature early in the game in a non-bussing way

b) Shortaru was questioning and prodding all the late wagon votes on Flubber when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. Something i don't feel like a scum-buddy would of done.

Plus i don't see what's wrong with Nero, i looked through your ISO and i'm don't really see your case as to why he's so scummy.

Ah - I’m basically interpreting those things as scummy whereas you’re not. I agree Nero hasn’t done anything scummy but I don’t think he has done anything Town (albeit replacing into a slot being constantly pressured by me is probably part of that)

[profii]

FL
I’m seeing what Tchill did in boonytoonz - in Nero... do you get that

I was thinking on my way home from footy that does not factor that it was Tchill s main power role so more likely to resist bus. Idk how that plays out ina large

See where I’m coming from?

[profii]

I have never scum read Profii like this ever. We generally work together really well when we’re both town, and he actively tries to show me that. I’m literally conf town, and I’m getting nothing.

I’ve also been subtly pushing I thought he was scum for a bit.

He’s also actively trying to tear Saudade down to weaken me.

This is ScumProfii.

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

I know you were scum reading me earlier but I just ignored it lol

The problem with the Saudade thing is there are 3 outcomes:
A) you are voting scum, Saudade follows - great
B) you are voting town, Saudade is town and follows - scums life is easy
C) you are voting town, Saudade is scum and gets a free pass

So I feel like Saudade not really giving us much at all does not help us in the “show each other we are town”

So whilst I’m happy to work with you, I’m still smarting a bit from that mason claim so excuse me for not blindly following you :p

[profii]

FL
I’m seeing what Tchill did in boonytoonz - in Nero... do you get that

I was thinking on my way home from footy that does not factor that it was Tchill s main power role so more likely to resist bus. Idk how that plays out ina large

See where I’m coming from?

I see it. It’s similar. But Nero’s probably coming from a town mindset. He’s not pushing for a mislynch is the difference. He’s analyzing. Tchill was looking for a way to weave the game into a way that could sensibly state him as town. I don’t see Nero doing that here.

Yeah ok the bit that bugged me about the Short iso was off the top of my head he was voting Flubber early on then moved to Seph with a naked vote - there wasn’t anything like

“I’m voting Flubber right now but he did c y s so he is prob town so I’m gonna move to...”

Without that it looked like someone removing themselves from a dangerous wagon (to their win con obvs)

[profii]

I somewhat find saudade's sheeping on fl's vote to be towny. fl is a confirmed town, and in the event that he votes a scum player, it would be hard for saudade to decline voting that person if he himself were scum.
I think ap could be fake claiming. It's strange how we have one town PR dead and two claimed. It's unlikely there are so many PRs in one game, as I remembered in the beginning of the game that people said our mod generally designed setups with few PRs. It's easier to claim disloyal rb and get away with it for scum. I'm currently scumreading him.
It would be hard to claim a multitasking JOAT and not be found out later in the game, so I believe performer's claim.
ofrhz is actively contributing and trying to find scum, which I like. However, I think him sheeping day1 wasn't exactly towny, which makes me wonder about his alignment.

I thought this post was where xx2008 moves from "I'm playing the noob card" into some definitive stances:

I disagree with the logic on Saudade, but he has decided Saudade is towny.
He has also decided AP is a fake claim and finds it scummy.
Whilst XX believes Perf, he doesn't specify an alignment. Although Perf got a couple of null results, I think a JOAT claim would be tough to fake long term anyway, arguably an easy slot to say that's towny.

So we have ofrhz is actively contributing and Nero is disputing that - mental note to see what I think here.


What I want to know is what does XX2008 think of Maxous ??

Nero - why I think xx is town

FWIW - I also assume he is french given the avatar so I see the whole IC debate as him legit not knowing what that was

[profii]

I was going to propose AP rbs me tonight with performer tracking me. This either confirms ALL 3 claims AND Maxous or exposes 1 scum between myself and AP.

I was just going to lynch AP on the assumption a disloyal would be either side and I can see your turn around

[profii]

Alright, I'll go with Profii too. I don't see how a plan involving the various pr claims doing actions on each other to confirm their claims could work though. Scum roles like roleblockers could easily interfere and even if it is determined that RCE is a power role for instance, it wouldn't confirm his alignment as there can be scum JOAT's. It's better to focus on stopping the nightkill or getting evidence on other players.

VOTE: Profii

Hi

[profii]

I’m just going to claim Vt now and save some time

[profii]

FL

If RCE has an inno on Maxous, that means me and Maxous weren't scum theatre'ing - that means, I was legit trying to get someone to help me see the town in Nero.

with me?

[profii]

what does ninja and ascetic do... wouldnt any attempt to track/watch/motion detect/whatever fail on just either 1 of those modifiers, why have both

[profii]

Let’s go Profii today. Gamma, target RCE tonight I think is a solid plan.

If you guys live, lynch RCE tomorrow. This also makes it so our other PRs get another action.

I have a chance at living, but it’s okay if I die. I don’t have any actions. Protect me still people, haha.


Gamma/RCE can be figured out, but I’m definitely on Gamma’s side. Zero reason for Gamma to try and counterclaim here.

cant believe me using your bread crumb when i thought dva was a serial killer wasnt the signal of me trying to work with you

[profii]

Profii is a claimed VT. I say we lynch there, and get to the next day phase.

No need for more claims to come out right now, and Profii/RCE is looking likely.

:@

[profii]

hang on


If he babysits town, nothing happens as he is disloyal, so if he is shot, then the town target should survive, the killing action would still go through on ascetic.

If he babysits scum, the scum person is safe, because that's babysitting, but if a vig shoots gamma, then the kill should go through and thats 'the bomb' bit.

So that's why gamma wants to breadcrumb - so if he says "i target profii" and dies over night, then you know I'm town (etc)


So if Gamma says he is going to target a town person tonight, he needs protection, otherwise scum will just get rid of him asap i think.

[profii]

PS gamma - if you are going to bread crumb a target, worth doing 2 - 1 if i flip scum, and the one if i flip town - i would suggest if it's me that gets lynched then go for someone like Gamr/CT who got on my wagon opportunistically and haven't been that active.

[profii]

That was hammer

R u scum profii

nope
i reckon scum were inactive all through the days
CT is my best guess

gamr/carcalilly likely too

[profii]

Well that probably wasnt hammer anyway

i just checked i dont think it was either... still wanna vote me?

[profii]

Talk to flavor leaf

consider yourself added to my scum list again

why bother reaction testing if you aren't going to remove your vote when i said no im not scum


... because you want the mislynch to carry on ofc

[profii]

Profii has gotten better lately in my opinion due to their calm attitude while attention was on them and some of their recent posts containing good analysis.

I still have lingering suspicions, but I am not as confident as I used to be in this slot being scum.
I don't like Nero Cain's slot at the moment because I agree that Shortaru's defense of Flubber was scummy and Nero Cain has provided few reads. I also dislike how he has criticized XX multiple times, but hasn't been that active at actually pushing him and is not voting him at this time.
Overall, these two slots are the only ones I can see myself voting at the moment.
VOTE: Nero Cain

Alright, I'll go with Profii too. I don't see how a plan involving the various pr claims doing actions on each other to confirm their claims could work though. Scum roles like roleblockers could easily interfere and even if it is determined that RCE is a power role for instance, it wouldn't confirm his alignment as there can be scum JOAT's. It's better to focus on stopping the nightkill or getting evidence on other players.

VOTE: Profii

See bold part of first quote

see lack of any scum reasoning for voting me - other than 'lets avoid the other PRs'

VOTE: completely trustworthy

[profii]

AP - whats your thoughts on CT? see 2112`

[profii]

how am i still the leading wagon here christ

[profii]

That was hammer

R u scum profii

nope
i reckon scum were inactive all through the days
CT is my best guess

gamr/carcalilly likely too

[profii]

add Nos actually

[profii]

Nos, Saudade, Gamr ?

[profii]

I propose I should target RCE. RCE targets Garmr/Saudade. Gamma is also on RCE. Performer does what he wants.

The reason I want Garmer/Saudade checked is their votes on profii suck. I'm not buying Saudade playing the sheep all the time, and Garmr basically sneaked into the wagon out of nowhere.

But maybe I should think more about it to make use of Performer's abilities?

P.S. Many of you know why I have been a bit quiet today, but for those who don't, I've been busy preparing for the launch of my new game, setting up PTs (including 3 hydra slots), sending out Role PMs, verifying links in Role PMs for the umpteenth time, etc.

This sounds reasonable on profii townflip
What about a scumflip though?

it's a town flip :@

[profii]

add Nos actually

u added that entirely cause of hammer

thats feels over reals my guy

I would appreciate it if we all didn't power-lynch anyone for the next few hours.

hate to break it to ya

yeah 'oops i hammered on catchup'

sure

[profii]

My role doesnt kill unless I die

your role is so confusing...

it's easy

gamma needs to get shot to be any real use, but if you shoot him, you either lose gamma, trading it for gaining an inno on whoever he goes for, or you lose gamma and get a bonus scum kill

[profii]

well i dont think i need to post anymore in this thread. GL town. Definite scum on my wagon so next scum lynch should be straightforward enough

[profii]

Have I really been hammered or mod away

[profii]

Wait, what if Profii is mind****ing us and flips scum. And Garmr is his partner?


Nah that's crazy.

I’ll shit post but I don’t really troll. It doesn’t help my win con here to mess with yall

[profii]

Whoop