Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

[Wisdom]

i believe the miller claims

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maki

[Wisdom]

maki votes are cool

[Wisdom]

Wisdoms sideline play letting everyone talk yet still letting the wagon carry on is really bad.

yeah this is scum
maki has played like 10 games with me and has no excuse to say such bs

[Wisdom]

you can't read me at all dunn sorry

[Wisdom]

maki scum, kaito dumbtown

next

[Wisdom]

Maki seems to be solving, Kaito seems to not be solving.

appearances deceive

[Wisdom]

Maki is a good girl.

wrong

[Wisdom]

nikk what you dont understand does not equal scum

[Wisdom]

dave you should know better

[Wisdom]

id say something about shallowness here but im tired of saying the same things to the same people

[Wisdom]

sorry fa i really cant be bothered to

i just see votes on me and go "congrats, you are stupid"

[Wisdom]

because shallow

dunn has seen my game enough to know such things are not ai for me
i have this discussion in every game i play with dave, who thinks whoever doesn't explain everything they do is scum
And then there are the newbies who default scumread whatever seems weird

[Wisdom]

maki continues being scum

[Wisdom]

Town Wisdom would

"Town Wisdom would" statements are for newbies who think its possible to meta me
Not for someone with lots of games with me
Chara has fewer games with me than you have yet she gets it
And given youre not dumb, it follows youre an insincere scum

[Wisdom]

I remember kaito blindly townreading scum maki when i was scum eith her, which is why im leaning towards the same thing happening here

[Wisdom]

with*

[Wisdom]

that was just my opinion on kaito

not why maki is scum

[Wisdom]

chara is townish

[Wisdom]

Wisdom: I would expect him to have a stated opinion and generate content on more than one player.

quote games where i didnt do these as scum

[Wisdom]

no i saw it and ignored it

[Wisdom]

Wisdom: I would expect him to have a stated opinion and generate content on more than one player.

quote games where i didnt do these as scum

Immaterial, this read is independent of meta.

lol why do you expect me to do things if not because of meta

[Wisdom]

maybe

[Wisdom]

yeah

[Wisdom]

lol why do you expect me to do things if not because of meta

Your mistake is in assuming I expect

you

to do it. I expect

town

to do it. Hence it's not a meta based read.

yeah.. and how many times have you seen town not playing the way you'd like them to?

[Wisdom]

i have one scumread and a million dumb reads

[Wisdom]

i have one scumread and a million dumb reads

just because people call you out on your scummy mannerisms doesn't mean they're dumb

my mannerisms arent scummy though
Thats the dumb part

[Wisdom]

youre both town

[Wisdom]

Wisdom and others (I'm not tracking who else) are pushing Maki for speculating that mafia knew there were multiple millers.

quote me saying shes scum because of that

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom Hey I was wrong let's lynch the real scum who's been making us fight half the day.

my vote is never leaving you this is so bad

[Wisdom]

can we change that final word to "lynched"

[Wisdom]

Deadline’s in 4 days. I could vote Lady if the Kaito wagon doesn’t happen.

or you could vote maki

[Wisdom]

my explanation is that it looks like scum maki

[Wisdom]

Look how even with most of the shitposting going away, they still dont even want to contribute despite no "thread-Clog". What do you take that to mean?

lack of activity is not ai
It just indicates lack of interest or time
now get on maki

[Wisdom]

whats the "good case" on me

[Wisdom]

even if you dont scumread her its better than you, a person you know is town, getting lynched

[Wisdom]

its going to be maki because shes scum

[Wisdom]

I seriously doubt Maki flips scum here.

based on what?

[Wisdom]

oh so bs, ok

[Wisdom]

I'm absolutely never voting Maki unless Wisdom gives an actual reason.

lol
you and alchemist are really good at scumhunting
"maki isnt scum because I dislike wisdom's playstyle"
a+

[Wisdom]

I bet dave hates chara for doing this
Now his project to reform me will fail

[Wisdom]

I'm absolutely never voting Maki unless Wisdom gives an actual reason.

lol
you and alchemist are really good at scumhunting
"maki isnt scum because I dislike wisdom's playstyle"
a+

I know you can do better than this as Town. The way you’re playing feels like lazy scum play.

and i cant do better than this as scum?

[Wisdom]

are you sure im not scum chara? with all these people saying this is my scum meta maybe I should check my role pm again

[Wisdom]

was there a point in there

[Wisdom]

or you disliked my playstyle in both games and i happened to be scum in that one

[Wisdom]

which btw was multiball meaning i played more like town than scum

[Wisdom]

Hey Wisdom, please answer this honestly: how sure are you that Maki is scum?

pretty sure

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, Frozen Angel, Alchemist21


What are your thoughts on each other?

town and nulltown

[Wisdom]

ill sound like a broken record but this is bs from someone who knows me

[Wisdom]

youve seen me withholding reasons a zillion times
arguing i dont actually have reasons cannot possibly be sincere

[Wisdom]

can we change that final word to "lynched"

rereading and i realized i mixed up games here

this was not me fluffing

[Wisdom]

why you push me is irrelevant

you are stating that i am not giving reasons because I don't have them and thats insincere and just a narrative you want to push

[Wisdom]

by popular demand

Player List:
Maki Harukawa - scum
sheepsaysmeep - town
Clemency - scum
Elsa Jay - nulltown
davesaz - town
Pink Ball - town
Firebringer - scum
Kaito Momota - town
Wisdom
Lady Angel - town
Creature - nulltown
Frozen Angel - town
Nikk - town
Alchemist21 - nulltown
Chara - town

[Wisdom]

looks like you agree with my reads kaito

[Wisdom]

hes trolly and has no content.
He does not want to take a stance on me because that will be bad for him either way.
Hes scum.

[Wisdom]

i have one scumread and a million dumb reads

just because people call you out on your scummy mannerisms doesn't mean they're dumb

and this here really isn't something you tell the guy youre voting

[Wisdom]

who this at

responding to your clemency comment

[Wisdom]

nope. He knows im town there or at least is townreading me.

[Wisdom]

yet his stance on me is

trying to read wisdom at this stage of the game is a futile effort

[Wisdom]

he said my mannerisms look scummy so people are justified to act the way theyre acting
You say that to a townread who you want to help, not a scumread

[Wisdom]

Its different to say "no, people arent dumb, youre just scum"
And different to say "man wisdom the way you act its no wonder people scumread you. Play better."

Which of the two looks more like what he said?

[Wisdom]

yeah and that brings us to you

My gut tells me wisdom is town but I also think this post really isn't AI.

this is shit because youre waffling
It looks like you want to take the safer stance of townreading me to avoid my rage, yet you dont actually do it and leave space for hoping on me later

[Wisdom]

right.

Ill also say that ill probably discard both scumreads if maki flips scum because neither your easy maki vote nor clemency's "I don't understand the maki wagon" looks like maki buddy behavior

Ill become super confident in both scumreads if maki flips town

[Wisdom]

I dont think scum chara defends me and pushes maki for me to such an extend

[Wisdom]

damn i like this kaito

VOTE: clemency

[Wisdom]

My objection is that I think he's town after reading Overkill II and Redflag, both scumgames of him.

just two games
only scum games
which you read, not played

and you call this meta

[Wisdom]

im town because

[Wisdom]

lets get this scumlynch already

[Wisdom]

nikk is town, congratz on fucking up

[Wisdom]

Thing is you are scum and you havent even claimed what pr so thats bs

[Wisdom]

Maki's posts are also completely terrible
If she survives to endgame you all suck

[Wisdom]

i dont believe in this bs unless its people im scumreading and they flip town

nikk is obviously town so that lynch doesnt help

[Wisdom]

kaito is obvtown

[Wisdom]

Also I'm not lynching Clemency ffs

sadness

[Wisdom]

lol what
what about it doesn't come from scum

[Wisdom]

last time he was scum he claimed nothing despite me telling him to claim something
this is similar

[Wisdom]

besides we dont know who his buddies are or if they even have daytalk
your assumptions are bs

[Wisdom]

lol could be

[Wisdom]

agreed
and then lynch fb

[Wisdom]

no he didnt.

[Wisdom]

hes not relevant?

[Wisdom]

maki, clemency, fb

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maki

[Wisdom]

reverse?

Can only hide behind people who would show up as "Aligned with the mafia." on cop reports. If I target someone who would show up as town I die

Reverse is not listed in the modifiers in the op. Try again.

[Wisdom]

what is the name

[Wisdom]

that's not listed either

[Wisdom]

we're both town pinkball

[Wisdom]

VOTE: clemency

[Wisdom]

i believe maki mainly because shes derping about the setup

[Wisdom]

Maki isn't going behind anyone suspect because she's scum who will lie about her results to get out of being lynched for another day

someone who wants to live doesnt claim a role that involves dying
remember how i claimed vengeful and ensured id die in dnd?

[Wisdom]

so can we lynch scum clemency now

[Wisdom]

obvious what

[Wisdom]

give it up kaito
scum maki wont endgame with this claim

[Wisdom]

yeah i dont believe that

[Wisdom]

so if both maki and clemency are truthful we already have the two variations as their roles don't fit the listed

doubtful

[Wisdom]

clemency is scum, creature.

[Wisdom]

my new guess is clemency/Elsa/sheep

[Wisdom]

Kaito has no reason to make that claim in the first place

He does if he thinks clemency was bsing a pr claim in order to force him to commit to it

[Wisdom]

this would be a fun game to be scum in for sure

[Wisdom]

your flip will be red

[Wisdom]

there arent any points against kaito

[Wisdom]

btw why did alch die

[Wisdom]

alch pushed elsa a lot
could be why

[Wisdom]

VOTE: elsa

Ill give clem a breather for now

[Wisdom]

if i retract my vote now people will just call it wifom

i wont, just stop voting kaito

[Wisdom]

or me

[Wisdom]

why would that be

[Wisdom]

then go to sleep, realize we're both town, and then sheep us

[Wisdom]

Hang Kaito. He made TWO PRs claim.

who the fuck cares

[Wisdom]

ok

[Wisdom]

Kaito has no reason to make that claim in the first place

He does if he thinks clemency was bsing a pr claim in order to force him to commit to it

Faking vanilla cop is trying to fish a pr at best. Clearly, scum motivated he could've reaction tested in a dif manor. This was meant with pure scum intent

i disagree but youre tunneling so it doesnt matter

[Wisdom]

i'll let elsa take the wheel because she's saying everything i wanna get through, but better

that moment when you want scum to lead

[Wisdom]

Kaito has no reason to make that claim in the first place

He does if he thinks clemency was bsing a pr claim in order to force him to commit to it

Faking vanilla cop is trying to fish a pr at best. Clearly, scum motivated he could've reaction tested in a dif manor. This was meant with pure scum intent

i disagree but youre tunneling so it doesnt matter

You're correct that I'm tunneling. I haven't been wrong when I've called him scum as town before though so I don't see a reason to stop.

well youre wrong here. This is town kaito.

[Wisdom]

elsa/sheep/someone

im starting to consider chara

[Wisdom]

open your eyes folks. elsa is scumposting.

[Wisdom]

then why do you listen to me and not her

[Wisdom]

chara youre worrying me.

[Wisdom]

no i really dont. Kaito is town.

[Wisdom]

maki is town and is tunneling

acting like that's not a possibility is bs

[Wisdom]

maki this is your fault

scum are sheeping you

just want it noted

[Wisdom]

elsa is scum, yeah. When you realize kaito is town maybe youll see it

[Wisdom]

kaito is still town and votes on him are stupid

[Wisdom]

Vote elsa

[Wisdom]

elsa/sheep/chara

[Wisdom]

oh yeah forgot about dave

he can be scum too

[Wisdom]

kaito is town
i accept lynching lady because shes lynchbait and shes not going to improve
but not obvtown kaito

[Wisdom]

im not against it either but i dont expect her to flip scum at all

[Wisdom]

sigh

[Wisdom]

Or we can lynch elsa but you won't do it huh chara

[Wisdom]

how about i just vote you after elsa flips red

[Wisdom]

its already la vs elsa
stop pretending otherwise

[Wisdom]

i think ill replace sheep with dave in my scumreads

[Wisdom]

oh you also claimed miller didnt you?

yeah i doubt there are two fake millers

[Wisdom]

not interested
and bringing up ive misread you looks like you just want to misrep me

[Wisdom]

and because i know you aren't bad enough at mafia that you'll see me do the same thing three times as town and scumread me for it every one of those times.

doesn't that mean you should be scumreading me

[Wisdom]

I don't understand this lady angel wagon really, but fine if it gets us moving:
VOTE: lady angel

not you too

[Wisdom]

I know, sorry, wasn't my intention to look down on your contributions. What I was trying to say is that the game feels stagnated and I don't know what to do to give it a push. I already had this feeling on D1 and now's happening again.

yeah and lynching a zero information slot is totally going to help with that

[Wisdom]

depressing

[Wisdom]

i prefer people voting me than wanting to lynch lynchbait

[Wisdom]

people need to vote elsa is happening

[Wisdom]

you dont need to do things wrong to get a red role pm

[Wisdom]

no you dont think im scum
every game you play with me you "scumread" me for the same thing
you know by now its not alignment indicative

[Wisdom]

your team argument is also bs

i frequently try to guess teams as soon as d1

you are just trying to assign scum motivation to it out of nowhere

[Wisdom]

either chara or dave is the fake miller, currently leaning dave
elsa is 100% scum
and the other prolly clemency

[Wisdom]

because you're scum

sheep was just poe but someone pointed out he pushed you earlier so hes prolly not scum with you

[Wisdom]

dont need it

[Wisdom]

yet youre voting me

[Wisdom]

sheep what are you doing

[Wisdom]

kaito isnt scum and neither am i
you have to be really bad to think either of these

[Wisdom]

and if you believe there is a 0 possibility that kaito and maki are tvt here then maki is the scum 200% of the time

[Wisdom]

why would you avoid Elsa

[Wisdom]

and how do you know if my reads are good or not

[Wisdom]

like if we go by flips then I said one zillion times Nikk was town

so yeah

[Wisdom]

i dont understand

you think elsa is scum yet you want to find someone other than elsa to lynch?

[Wisdom]

whatever
i do not like you constantly jumping all over the place. You cannot scumread elsa one moment and posit that me and kaito are scum the next.

[Wisdom]

not quite, im actually back to townleaning her

[Wisdom]

also your push on me is transparently scum motivated

you just assign scum motivations to things i do now

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC

Wisdom (3): Pink Ball, Clemency, Elsa Jay
Elsa Jay (2): Wisdom, Chara
Kaito Momota (2): Maki Harukawa, sheepsaysmeep
Lady Angel (2): Kaito Momota, Firebringer
sheepsaysmeep (1): Creature

Not Voting: Lady Angel, davesaz, Frozen Angel

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Wisdom]

im not saying you're scummy

im saying you're clearly scum

you are just pointing to things I am doing and saying "wisdom is scum doing x" without that making any sense

[Wisdom]

you know what, Ill bite

Explain how I am setting up a lynch on Chara

[Wisdom]

And while you're at it

You don't have any real case so putting me with someone to make them look bad is the way to go.

Explain why changing who I think your buddies are will somehow "make them look bad"

[Wisdom]

just vote elsa
you know you want to

[Wisdom]

why would I vote Lady Angel

What has she done that is different than usual

[Wisdom]

if you want to lynch her based on nothing that's no different than a policy lynch

viewtopic.php?t=77484&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

D1 lynch

[Wisdom]

oh look elsa avoided explaining his bs

surprise surprise

[Wisdom]

the difference is i havent made any claims or accusations i havent backed up
you have

[Wisdom]

yeah i can sense the bs coming

its different not explaining my scumread and different saying "wisdom is scum doing x" yet being unable to explain why thats scummy

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC

Elsa Jay (3): Wisdom, Chara, Pink ball
Wisdom (2): Clemency, Elsa Jay
Kaito Momota (2): Maki Harukawa, sheepsaysmeep
Lady Angel (2): Kaito Momota, Firebringer
sheepsaysmeep (1): Creature

Not Voting: Lady Angel, davesaz, Frozen Angel

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Wisdom]

clem if you are town you have to vote elsa here. You just played with scum me. You know im town.

[Wisdom]

guess youre not town

[Wisdom]

fb wanna fix your vote

[Wisdom]

fb did you see the lady angel iso I linked

What is diffirent here?

[Wisdom]

How are we doing?

you also need to fix your vote

[Wisdom]

no it isnt

talk to us about elsa and chara

[Wisdom]

kaito did you see what i linked

[Wisdom]

she was at l-1 for not posting
ie its not ai

[Wisdom]

Insert standard question about single game meta.

except I am not using a single meta to say that she is scum or town

I am using a game to show that she has done the same thing she is accused of here and she was town therefore it's nai.

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC

Elsa Jay (3): Wisdom, Chara, Pink ball
Wisdom (2): Clemency, Elsa Jay
Kaito Momota (2): Maki Harukawa, sheepsaysmeep
Lady Angel (2): Kaito Momota, Firebringer
sheepsaysmeep (1): Creature

Not Voting: Lady Angel, davesaz, Frozen Angel

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Wisdom]

that's his playstyle as all alignments

calling it too scum to be scum doesn't make sense

[Wisdom]

that vc looks wrong

elsa is voting me for instance

[Wisdom]

that's his playstyle as all alignments

calling it too scum to be scum doesn't make sense

nor does calling them scum for it either apparently

Im not

[Wisdom]

how does everyone feel of davesaz? Latest posts by davesaz haven't exactly gotten me thinking towniest person but my track record on him is pretty bad.

Hes scum too.

Its elsa, him, and either maki or clem.

[Wisdom]

let's get elsa and dave can go next

[Wisdom]

correct

[Wisdom]

would you vote dave if he gains support?

[Wisdom]

Pink ball get back on elsa. We're getting a replacement for lady angel anyway

[Wisdom]

Kaito you too

[Wisdom]

no you havent

[Wisdom]

also lady is town because dave is scum

[Wisdom]

maki is kaito not scum anymore?

[Wisdom]

Elsa is so manipulative it sickens me

[Wisdom]

What the fuck does it matter if they replace into a miller slot? There are 5 millers in this game. You just want the mislynch quick before the replacement can turn it around on you.

[Wisdom]

It's not because Maki or Kaito townread each other. It's that they git more important things to do since Maki is self resolving.

this makes no sense either. Maki is now voting the same person kaito is pushing. It makes no sense if maki believes kaito is scum. If she changed her mind i want her to state it.

And dont fucking answer for her.

[Wisdom]

Vote elsa then

[Wisdom]

blah blah scumtalk

[Wisdom]

also wtf are you talking about? I haven't voted anyone else since voting you

[Wisdom]

3 more votes to lynch elsa
make it happen

[Wisdom]

yeah this elsa wagon is just bad.

how is elsa lynchbait

[Wisdom]

nobody is openly defending elsa here

dude...

[Wisdom]

also every reason i have seen given for scum by wisdom was really a confirmation bias argument.

i don't give reasons
that doesnt make it who im pushing townier
Refrain from townreading people just because you dont understand why im pushing them