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CARCHING UP NOW

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Why does flavor leaf have his username in green?
VOTE: Flavor leaf

Town slip? Scum would be all about making sure they got that info

who wants to play guess the entire scumteam at basically pregame so if you're actually somehow right you may acclaim godtier ring bragging rights

I prefer Day 1 guessing after a bit of content is generated. Doesn’t hurt that I have some decent accuracy at that point.

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Liking what Creature is putting out

Can I get a key for that chart? I'm lost. Also like 6 more Ap votes.

lol green = town, yellow = null, red = scum
Does that not get through to you?

Also Hi DVa!

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Not looking like a great RVS, but keep on

I agree creature make rvs dank again

That's not cool

You're not cool

VOTE: creature

Bad vote

creature what the heck is that

Am I the only person not colorblind here?

The one where you got really pissed when we wanted to lynch you.

So most games?

Nosferatu, Sephiroth, Dva, FA_Q2 would be my guess. It would be 4 scum in a 19 player list right?

wish i fucking was given how i need a goddamn key phrase to confirm in a normal game with no special rules whatsoever

I found it fun but can see how that’s annoying
I wonder what NK15’s homesite is based on that, cos mine has a similar thing for all its games

The one where you got really pissed when we wanted to lynch you.

So which game out of 10000000

lol goteem

Damn, I need a new avatar though

I like your current one btw

What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

4 or 5 would be my guess but 6 might be possible

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Okay I dart out to play mobile games and nothing is posted? Why is this game silent?

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I think that fewer people post on weekends, so that might explain the lack of activity.
How far are you in your catchup Gamma?

I’m posting once for each page
As evidenced by the page numbers at the top of my posts -_-

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Is 3 scum, 1 traitor possible with 19?

Never saw it

but then again, I played a large normal with 25 players and 4 scum.

Yeah Ircher’s a frickin weirdo

What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?

I don’t like how defensive Flubber is here. Might be a scum.

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Why?

That is a lot of fluff as there is no comment, rhyme or reason that I can find in what you like or not either.

Why is virtually everything that RC posts town?

Well I’m sure he has reasons they feel X way
My reservation is it might prevent him from reconsidering reads
But I also feel like his strategy is good in later stages

Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?

Probably because it’s page 3.

@xx2000Late I’m doing this style because I don’t want to spam up the thread with catch-up across 36 pages. I’ve done similar in the past to good effect.

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I still had my own thoughts I wanted to post and they were promoted by that post, so it’s there for clarity

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Prompted not promoted

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RCEnigma is not RadiantCowbells lmfao

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Howdy offers! Nice to be playing with you this time!

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Huh. Come to think of it, Creat's numbering system actually is similar to Ruby Red's numbering system where she was town in that one game. Maybe it's just a helpful way of keeping track of things in a large game, to simplify it.

Is 3 scum, 1 traitor possible with 19?

Possibly, as Traitor fits in normal guidelines. But why ask about Traitor specifically?

Pretty sure Traitor was brought up already -_-

Is 3 scum, 1 traitor possible with 19?

Not Known 15 tends to go lighter on power, as you can see here:

List with roles:

1.Archwing Vanilla Townie
2.Chumba Vanilla Townie
3.Lalendra Vanilla Townie
4.Sephiroth Vanilla Townie
5.Luca Blight Vanilla Townie
6.TwoInAMillion Vanilla Townie
7.Prism Vanilla Townie
8.Nero Cain Vanilla Townie
9.Leeoon Mafia Goon
10.BuJaber Mafia Goon
11.mozamis Town Day 5 Innocent Child
12.TheGoldenParadox Town 1-shot Rolecop
13.Roy Tagliaferro Town 2-shot Neapolitan

viewtopic.php?p=9912817#p9912817

If NN15 does basically a mountainous in a 13p game, and there is no promise this isn't a mountainous, then it is theoretically possible our scum count may be lower than expected.

HOWEVER, if Pine had influence on the setup design, then we could be looking at a lot more town power and possibly third parties.

Since we have no knowledge of how or why NN15 designed this setup, or how much collaboration went into it (if any), I would say we cannot guarantee there will be a specific number of scum until we have a clearer sense of the setup as a whole.

DVa bring extra and pulling up his last game
Btw back-up mod isn’t always involved in setup design/review

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Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

Garmr has the highest red count. Why aren't you voting there?

Also have you noticed he gave me red points for posting dank memes and my joking rvs. How are dank memes alignment indicative? Jump on the creature train with me.

And that’s scum because...?

VOTE: DVa

VOTE: creature

Why the instant switch?

The one where you got really pissed when we wanted to lynch you.

So which game out of 10000000

viewtopic.php?p=7239428#p7239428

Guess who I was :0

Hieirama if so I'm locking you as town because his my fave character from yu yu hakusho.

Holy shit, finally someone who knows about that MVP of old anime. Those two nerds were beautiful in every way.

Should I check that anime out

Huh. Come to think of it, Creat's numbering system actually is similar to Ruby Red's numbering system where she was town in that one game. Maybe it's just a helpful way of keeping track of things in a large game, to simplify it.

Is 3 scum, 1 traitor possible with 19?

Possibly, as Traitor fits in normal guidelines. But why ask about Traitor specifically?

Creature brought up traitor and I wanted to verify if it could be included in a smaller variation of scum.

Dva's posts on setup cleared some things up since I was under the impression games came from used it known setups. But they don't have to have been played which is cool I guess

What gave you that impression?

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overwatch is an expensive tf2 ripoff

VOTE: vote: carca

overwatch is an expensive tf2 ripoff

League of legends is better than over watch.

VOTE: garmr

VOTE: dva

Flubb why are you voting Creature instead of dva now? I wanted to sheep the first vote.

Do you have any chill
Why the vote change with absolutely no reason to? Is your backspace key busted?

Also I won't change my numbers

If your score is 10-2-1 then your 10 won't go below 10 anymore

Ok I don’t like this

This I don't like as it's trying to explain creatures actions despite him saying earlier it's better to ask why.

I dont get this.

Profii made worthwhile accusations that people should be thinking about as the game progresses.

It's more the fact he was talking about finding out deeper intentions earlier but that post does the opposite. It gives creature a plausible intention instead of finding out what his is.

I like this post

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Just curious, which posts by Garmr do you dislike Creature?
VOTE: AP

Dunno, I'm just counting posts I like, dislike or find null.

This is another reason why I'm townreading creature, which I forgot to point out. This accounts for the fact that not all posts are black and white. He's just stating whether he's liking, not liking, or finding neutral those posts. Town players generally will have a somewhat concrete read, by that I mean they aren't changing opinions too quickly, but they won't be extremely concrete, because there is always other possibilities.

I like this post as well

I was gonna post early but the host locked me in his dungeon and forced me to read the rules before I get to post so..
You can blame him if we lose now.

Lol hi Shattiel
You’re the same name in MU right?

Hmmm, by the end of page 4 it looks like I'm very popular for some reason.
*Checking he's all dressed up AGAIN*
Nah. It also doesn't feel that could either. Must be my mojo.

Ok I officially really like this guy

Enigma, why are you townreading Nosferatu?

I think as scum it would be very nuanced to use the difficulty of confirming roles for town. As opposed to mafia whom could confirm in their pt pregame.

r/ihadastroke
What were you TRYING to say?

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If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.

do you frequently encourage policy lynching inactives?

This is a bit of a misrep

I'm still in the... game is early, people are finding their rhythm... kinda phase. I'm cool for a bit yet

And this feels a bit defensive given Maxous’ previous response. Scumreading profii

Hi AP

RCE is town I think

You mean town town, or the other way around? You were Frau Farbissina of late. What makes you think I can trust you off the gate this time around?

Hi AP

RCE is town I think

Ewww why am I town? :p but hi Ofrhz.

Are we going to do this dance every game from now on, AP?

No I think he's town town. He literally skated by as scum in Mini 2038. Come on, you just played against scum!him

i like to bait a bit

I think I'm sheeping ofrhz jumping to a conclusion, could just be wrong, but i wondered if you were informed if you reacted in a way that might reinforce the ~reason~ actually being right.

we will find out later, still not worth a lynch right now

What are you sheeping? The RCE read?

Does an AP wagon truly need a reason?

Yeah that question was silly and pinged me a bit

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Isn't Creature supposed to be easily readable by post count/effort?

I like this post
Also yeah Creature can be read by a few things that tie into effort, I can find the list if anyone cares

"Isn't Creature supposed to be easily readable by post count/effort?"
Unless his scum meta changed considerably , then that's how I read creature too.

Theory:
>Scum!Creature would use this reasoning to active post initially in a game, then would nightkill everyone who townread him based on this meta reason, and then go back to scum!lurking with the entire graveyard saying he's locktown based on meta.

So, while I'm not saying I think Creature is particularly scummy this game, I don't think that him copy/pasting a list a few times is a good reason to townread him quite yet thanks.

Creature actually does this minus the killing of those who can read him, he just coasts on the people who think activity tells suck

Hey creature do you mind going through at least one of the slots and explaining which posts fall in which category and why? I understand the idea of a like/dislike/null paradigm but I want to see what the thought process is. Its really just kind of a black box right now and I'd like it to not be entirely.

Liking this, feels nuanced

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why ap said that

good luck with figuring that out

AP is like
2+3=sex (it doesn't even make sense because 2+3 doesn't =6 --that's how bad his jokes are)

Really though, I don't know why he's acting like there isn't enough content in the thread to at least give a real first impression of someone, townlean or scumlean or whatever. On that same point, he focused a lot on his "popularity" like he was getting bumrushed when he was at L-7, which made his initial posts seem, not exactly like an overreaction, but not particularly townie either.

Levity is fine, but I'd like him to do more than meme and omgus.

AP’s main is already super-memey, and AP is supposed to be an elevation of that already high value

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Fuck
I’m gonna stick to the format still cos I like it

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Enigma, why are you townreading Nosferatu?

I think as scum it would be very nuanced to use the difficulty of confirming roles for town. As opposed to mafia whom could confirm in their pt pregame.

this is like wack/10

pedit: apparently calling an idea dumb is an "attack on your intelligence." wild how hard someone can buzzword their way through any conversation.

You both look a bit like fools to me rn
Like Sephiroth isn’t contributing much but it’s still early game so kinda harsh to judge him, and Nos just doesn’t do much anyway (this is not meant to be an insult, just a statement).

@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

Those thoughts look incongruous to me. Why would he step back if he was trying to fake a tunnel?

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My issue was more with you choosing specifically to focus on attacking something that you (as far as I can tell) didn't even find scummy instead of just going straight for something like 212. Now I've never played with you before and maybe randomly lashing out at other people's posts over some small detail is how you get off, but to me it shows a lack of interest in scumhunting. Its also amazing the reaction I got from just questioning that quip and your play so far, and to me very interesting that you come out with 212 right after that little argument. Almost like you remembered you're supposed to be scumhunting.

not really?

i was going to wait until page 10 to go back and organize a readslist, which is something I have to do early otherwise I get lost.

i saw that post, replied and then was like "might as well do it now"

"remembering im supposed to scumhunt" argument is like ?? like i got carried away doing nothing at all or something lol

lack of interest in scumhunting is fair i guess cause when i made that initial quip if you wanna call it that i didnt really want to scumhunt

but this turned into a thing so now i did that and will probably promptly go right back to making quips

So did they just go from salty at each other to townreading each other
Cos Nos already said Seph’s actions didn’t make much sense as scum and vis the “supposed to be scumhunting” comment I get the feeling Sephiroth thinks Nos is town too

Yawn, I'm not feeling like updating that list

Maybe you shouldn’t try that in a 19p large

Sephiroth, explain what the first to votes here were for?

I've played a lot of overwatch over the past couple years so I was jokingly voting them for badmouthing the game.

I see then. Thanks for explaining that.

I've seen players pushing me because of that and I'm willing to bet there are scum among them.

Who do you think it is?

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VOTE: Flubbernugget
I remember getting scumpings from this, and I don’t wanna vanity vote rn

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- wasn't too impressed with the catch-up to be honest. Came across as busy work that went nowhere.

It’s not even finished yet lmao

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I actually have a good opinion of Creature now. In my experience, players who do things that are odd like not voting for an unexplained reason or making naked votes usually have a good reason for doing it and most scum would not like to attract so much attention this early. That said, I also didn't like that Profii offered a potential explanation for why Creature made his list before Creature could say anything.

I'm also liking Flubbernugget at the moment, they've made basically no fluff and have spent most of their posts giving reads or making pushes. They've been the most agressive scumhunter.

xx, Creature made 70 before you voted him in 83. If you think that post was very towny and it makes sense to organize posts into three groups instead of just towny/scummy, why did you vote him later? Did you vote him to gain information while liking that post or did you scumread him at the time? I would like to know how your read of Creature evolved.

I was just reflecting on the game thinking it’s time for me to take a proper direction - I flicked through the ISOs and CT here is bugging me

They seem like easy reasons to talk about

I going with Creature town rn, but it’s easy to jump in and say “woah he put himself out there it must be town”
Same with flubbernugget - great some questions from him, but it’s not really AI but looks good if you say something about that
Then a read on a relatively new player who has potentially posted something which is easy to paint as a mix up - usually just a noob-tell (no offence) not a scum tell

VOTE: CT


Also - I think Inferno is usually a pretty active dude in my experience of him so look forward to hearing more there

I don’t like this but idk why

profii you're not as obvtown as I expected

also this AP kid is the bomb, please don't kill them

Huh?

Wait! Isn't that what you did here..?

I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER LIKE 5 TIMES JESUS

Guys Unvote implosion yallre redicilus

What are the chances you would do the same <obvious> thing in two back-to-back games?

What even?

oh yeah he's really gonna notice it now that you bolded it

Creature is perceptive. He would never ever ever skip like 10 pages and then ask if we have done anything yet. NEVER EVER!

lol

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xx2008/

Carcalilly

/Maxous/Garmr/Inferno390/Creature/FA_Q2/

Shattiel

/Completly Trustworthy/Flubbernugget/DVa

This is how my "unsorted" lynch pool looks like. The others are either TRs or Town leans for now.

Out of the crowd I'm slightly more pinged by the bolded. Carca basically for doing the exact same thing she did in a recent previous game when she was scum and tried to fake a connection with a town slot. Shattiel bc I suspect this to be someone I know and the 2nd post of hers (she only posted 2) is somewhat worrying if my guess is correct.

Of the two I'd give Shattiel a bit more time, but if this lurking continues and she only pops up to say "hi, I'm here, greetings," and so forth I suggest to lynch with fire. Also if she decides to completely vanish off the face of the planet we should lynch the slot. (If anyone knows for sure who Shattiel is and can confirm she's

not the person I'm describing

step up now, please).

Also keeping an eye on Creature. It's not the count of his posts, but rather the content. So far it's a lot of noise so it's NAI, because that's how he would start the game as either alignment of late. As Town though he will provide some reads and commit to them (sometimes spot on, sometimes garbage reads, but he will commit to them and argue for his PoV). As scum he still finds it hard to come up with a good reason to vote anyone, so there's that.

I need more time to try and sort Maxous, FA_Q2 & Flubber. I can't promise I'll ever return a confident read on the likes of Garmr, Inferno & DVa, but we will see.

xx & CT I'll leave for someone else to sort.

AP you’re on Mu right? That might be how you know Shattiel
Also getting the feeling AP is town

@Nos: for some reason, everytime you type "ct" I go back to page #1 to verify CheekyTeeky is not in the game.

yeah fsr cheeky is always at the bottom of my list

@other ct: im just not trusting your calculator tone this time

Wait is Cheeky in the game?

This one is scum.

VOTE: Inferno390

why?

Flubb seems new and I'm bad at reading newbies but he's prob town.

Flubber is not a newbie lmfao

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Ofrhz what do you think about Garmr and Creature?

Both leaning town - I think Garmr was omgus'ing a little bit in pushing the Creature wagon, and I'm not seeing the push as scummy even though I disagree with it.

@ofrhz - yeah I might be guessing at why you made that town read, but it seemed like you would spot the reason I’m thinking based on that game we just finished

I'll be honest, whatever reasoning you're trying to extract out of me here is completely going over my head

AP town, xx probably town as well

VOTE: flubbernugget

Liking this post

For the pocket of course, it's worked for now. In general I think creature is town. I liked Garmr pressing him as well.

I want to townread Sephiel but it's not there yet, I probably won't be able to read him as well as last game (naturally) but it's not the same energy despite his head to head with Nosferatu.

Nosferatu, take my town read and like it.

Who is Sephiel?
That typo makes me think of Zephiel from the Fire Emblem series, the little shit

Ahh well no to be fair I put the idea of masons in her head because I thought the Sephiroth/invis dynamic was so...odd.

I regret making that post now because if you had come out with your line of thinking I would have had a better read on Ofrhz.

What is this about putting the idea of masons in peoples heads?

Neither of them tried reading into motivations for the way each is posting.

wrong on like

both fronts but ok

cool

Ehh I kinda agree with Flubber here
Some elaboration in how he’s wrong might help

So this is a pretty big lynch pool. Even for a wip. I am going to be paying close attention to how it gets whittled down.

What does it mean to have players in it that you cant sort? And why cant you sort them?

In a 20 man game I don't see a problem with a wide early game lynchpool.

Why is Carca bolded here but not addressed in your questioning?

Did AP catch a partner or two in that net?

This feels a mite upset about being in the list

I best remember Flubb for helping me win a game as scum despite wavemode having essentially a guilty on me at the time.

Good times.

Relevance?

I meant Sephiroth. And no Invisibility isn't in this game. Profii brought up a recent game he was using to meta Ofrhz, it just involved other players not in this game.

I see. My second question remains.

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profii you're not as obvtown as I expected

also this AP kid is the bomb, please don't kill them

Huh?

Wait! Isn't that what you did here..?

I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER LIKE 5 TIMES JESUS

Guys Unvote implosion yallre redicilus

What are the chances you would do the same <obvious> thing in two back-to-back games?

I'm a consistent and predictable person.

AP I actually have no idea what connection you're trying to make there

First she says she's consistent, then she claims she doesn't know what I'm saying!!!

VOTE: Carca

I thought it was OBVIOUS what I was getting at. Scum!you did just that to Town!Implo at the start of that game.

hah goteem

....is AP an alt or

Iirc ap = judge joseph dredd

What a misfire
Both of those = Almost50 yeah

I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>

VOTE: flubbernugget

Vote fixed. Please try to vote correctly.

So this means Flubber is Town. Right?

I’m not one to speculate on fixed votes :p

Lol
A50 gets town points for that

....is AP an alt or

Stop. He's Almost50. But he deliberately roleplays on this account which is the reason he was at L-7 before posting.

You're the love of my life (in addition to Tanya, Melissa, Ashley, Zoe, Brenda, Samantha, Maggy, Jenn, Liz, Tina, and a few others)

It’s all about that free love baby!

Scum!creature is a foreign concept to me so I'm probably quite biased, I'll take the majority on it.

That’s a good approach tbh

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I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>

VOTE: flubbernugget

Vote fixed. Please try to vote correctly.

So this means Flubber is Town. Right?

What?

If I kept up my list, Nos would probably have a lot of greens

Are you still going to keep up that list? It is pretty difficult keeping track of everyone's posts, especially in a large game.

ah the first scum replace out

Anyone that town reads me is getting the tunnel.

Flavor Leaf is town

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Fuck
This is probably all of page 15 that I wanted to comment on anyway

I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>

VOTE: flubbernugget

Vote fixed. Please try to vote correctly.

So this means Flubber is Town. Right?

What?

B A D P O S T
You saw this logic in a recent game wtf

If I kept up my list

, Nos would probably have a lot of greens

Are you still going to keep up that list? It is pretty difficult keeping track of everyone's posts, especially in a large game.

Aren’t context clues important?

ah the first scum replace out

Why?

Anyone that town reads me is getting the tunnel.

Flavor Leaf is town

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That is one of the most legitimate replace outs I've seen this week

i legitimately believe he was overwhelmed

i also legitimately believe he is scum

What in his 3 posts makes him scum?

tbh I'm mostly just moving off AP who I'm hoping will now stop hitting on me, Maxous seems like fine wagon but is hardly lockscum

ofhrz is town tho, you must believe in the heart of the cards on that one

I'm indiffrent but ofhrz isn't on my is scum list. Would like to see more posting.

But I can understand somewhat your jump. There really isn't anyone besides creature to me that jumps out as scum even then creatures only kinda scummy.

Not even Shattiel? Who is a mighty fine Day vig shot of I can throw that out there.

I didn’t particularly care for shattisl callling herself second IC but this requires actual explanation imo

Shatti what do u think Nos' role is

I found this shady at first but I can see some fringe town utility here

Btw pardon any typos, doing this while walking home with groceries

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B A D P O S T
You saw this logic in a recent game wtf

What is the implication here? Are you tring Flubber because of a mod edit or...?

No. I can see how the mod edit would be seen that way though.
Creature reacting like it’s foreign is a bad thing
The funny part is you replaced out of the game I’m speaking of

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Game Start.

Flavor Leaf is aligned with the town.

Day 1 begins. It will end in (expired on 2018-11-11 11:11:11) or when a lynch has been achieved.

@Gamma: Because I know you almost never take notice of the opening posts until like.. D3

A little far for a joke given the hoops one needed to jump through to confirm

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Creature reacting like it’s foreign is a bad thing

I guess I still don't understand the point being made then

So Carca is opportunistic scum because of the weak case on Flubber, which makes Flubber town? And Creature is scum for not seeing Carca as scummy?

Sorry it seems like a kinda complicated response to that exchange and I'm not sure I'm following the innuendo. Was Carca acting like GuerillaWoo in Dolphins or something?

Carca’s alignment doesn’t matter though if one wanted to go nutty one could call Carca town
What matters is the fact NK15 worded it that way and the response to it. Also I’m voting Flubber, so that’s clearly not it.
The thing that happened in Dolphins was everyone towncleared EzekelRAGE/Creature for a while because of mod interference that implied the slot was Town (along with doughboy). Since Creature was IN the slot that was cleared I would have expected him to recognize what was going on and make some kind of reference (maybe not the second part)

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I'm still mad I called out guerrilla as textbook scum, flipped town, and then still got ignored

I’m just pissed Alchemist got Lynched despite having a free ticket out imo

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I’m just pissed Alchemist got Lynched despite having a free ticket out imo

I think Dolphins ruined my willingness to take pre-game replacements for a while

I mean I didn’t vote you for that, and my reason was actually quite solid given what transpired overall

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The thing that happened in Dolphins was everyone towncleared EzekelRAGE/Creature for a while because of mod interference that implied the slot was Town (along with doughboy). Since Creature was IN the slot that was cleared I would have expected him to recognize what was going on and make some kind of reference (maybe not the second part)

Okay, I think I know what you mean now. But wasn't that about talking about an ongoing game? Saying "don't type the votes incoherently" seems like way more NAI as far as mod step-ins go. You might be right that Creature not getting the joke suggests he wasn't really thinking along those lines, but I feel like the analogy is different enough I wouldn't assume he'd get it tbh

The setup is different yes (mod interfering with player interactions in a way that implies Town vs mod making a minor word choice error) but the concept of modspewed alignment is the same.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah... I'm just going to assume the first 40 pages or so are early game crap posting and focus on current events with ISOing as needed for background.

Cool? Cool.

So, who wants to dance?

You should probably just read my ISO cod I’m going to go through everything

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh, I would want Performer to dance with Shortaru

I think that dance should be my side objective

DVa, would you care to dance?

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way, @gamma emerald, how long do you think it will be before you catch up completely?

Depends on my motivation, I hope I can be caught up before Day 1 ends, but I’m voting before being caught up in case that fails.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pagetop get!

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw pardon any typos, doing this while walking home with groceries

this is lowkey off/topic but how do you multiquote from your phone?

Same way you do on desktop, the Q+ button (press it for each post you want to quote on one page, hit preview when you’ve got all the ones you want)

[Gamma Emerald]

This garmr-carca thing is weird.

If I feel the need to truly sort someone I will go my way to pull this kind of crap right out of my ass. I'm getting the exact response I was hoping for.

For a second when I saw this I thought it said “Gamma-Carca thing” and I was gonna say “WHAT thing?”

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for my lack of posting recently, I've been helping out in a political campaign lately and invested a lot of effort into it. I'm very tired right now, but I will read through the recent pages first thing tomorrow and post my thoughts.

Shouldn’t you be done, midterm elections have happened

[Gamma Emerald]

SUAV?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mmmk that was before I got through the last three pages. Dunno which slot Shortaru was but he's town. Garmr/Carca was interesting but not in the "I wanna read all of these posts" kinda way. But Carca stands on garmrs chest in the end so they can be town today, garmr moves down.

VOTE: xx2008.

If we can get Dva, gamma, nos, FL, Carca, Ofrhz, profii, and maybe AP or Saudade together it's probably an all town wagon. Vote up

pass

[Gamma Emerald]

Shattiel, why are you voting for no Lynch?

thats a placeholder

I'll probably intent to hammer if there nothing new that will came up.

Why no lynch and not some rando

[Gamma Emerald]

So there's that, the bulk of flubbers voters were also on sephiroths wagon. I think it's less indicative of sephiroths alignment than it is indicative of the wagon compositions motives.

And those motives are...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw can we please give me a chance to speak before any hammers

[Gamma Emerald]

Not caught up but intend to get caught up when I can
I know I am townreading xx200Late, I distrust Sephiroth for being so buddy-buddy with Flubber, but beyond that I’m not too sure

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw can we please give me a chance to speak before any hammers

I uh. Don't think we're anywhere close to any hammers?

I know but I’d still like a heads up

[Gamma Emerald]

So you’re saying those on both wagons are more likely to be Town
I don’t know how good that conclusion is but points for effort

[Gamma Emerald]

scum:
strongman

Pardon?

[Gamma Emerald]

scum:
strongman

Pardon?

ALLOW ME TO G U E S S

Spoiler: GE's role

MAFIA S T R O N G M A N

So you spec that scum would’ve killed FL if they had a Strongman
But you also think one exists?
Can I try what you’re smoking?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also AP...are you saying daychat and pregame chats are the same? It appears like that's what you're saying.

No. I'm saying scum do not have day chat, so for them to know what Flubber knew they need to have had pre-game chat.

@Mod: Did Scum have their PTs open in pre-game?

If they are able to talk during the day, yes.
Otherwise, no.

That’s not what I’d expect
Normally pre-game is a sort of Night 0 when it comes to PTs.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Performer it’s possible the mention of Strongman in DVa’s role was just boilerplate stuff. So why do you think it indicates Strongman despite your NKA saying otherwise?

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty sure he meant Inexperience Challenged but if he meant something else he’s welcome to say so

[Gamma Emerald]

I know I am townreading xx200

y?

I don't have much time, but I'm curious why people are all of a sudden voting me without saying why.

there was a case made on you, its p good.

I think the important thing is that you replaced into a scummy slot

y was my slot scummy?

On top of that, I was literally the IC, inexperience challenged, for both newbie games that Xx played in.

then why didn't he think that IC was inexperienced challenged then? What do you think of the case that Performer? put out on him?

Xx2k is probably town too for the IC comments. Pushing him as scum for it is pretty weak. Even as AP I expect better play than this.

Same question I asked Boon Leaf.

Nero feels self conscious here

[Gamma Emerald]

How is that any different than any other game where I ask ppl why they are misreading me?

Also, why didn't you answer the question that you were asked?

Missed it as a question to me
I think a lot of the mistakes he’s making are one that would easily be rectified with scumbuddies
A lot of people share the read so why poke me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I mentioned it when I first formed the read

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nos
I don’t like how he’s voting rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Nos
I don’t like how he’s voting rn

where do u think i should be voting gamma

I said how not where
You lack conviction and just seem to be taking easy wagons

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll say no, as you’re actually showing effort

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you’re doing easy wagons because you don’t really need to provide reasons
Providing reasons debunks my thought process

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Kinda doubt you’d act like this as scum tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

He said that if he were doc, he would target profii, because he hard tr'ed him in one of the posts. In another, he says that the person he targets to protect would be whoever the scumteam is most likely to target that night and is not necessarily his top tr.
Since this is a fully closed setup, could there be a chance ap is fake claiming? What I'm thinking is that a fake claim from scum makes town confused even more when they try to speculate what roles there are in the game. It also gives scum the chance to stay alive, even if for a while. Do fake claims from scum usually happen in fully closed games?

he could absolutely be fakeclaiming here but I'm not really buying into your contradiction.

I see the contradiction, but I don’t see why A50 would be fakeclaiming because of it.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: sephiroth

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - I'm so happy that both my fake mason claim screw up and your fake mason claim screw up, both involved Creature.

Wut
Creature was tangentially involved by being in the same room for mine

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are we voting Nero

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are we voting Nero

Go read shortaru iso and see if you think he was objecting to Flubber lynch rather than just “idk I can’t read Flubber”

Ok
I guess I can support this, I think that is a valid scum tactic, posturing on your buddy by being in the fence

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you miquoting me here?
That post was by ap.

u misquoted yourself

that post is by profii

Which post is by Profii

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
Looked weird with how you said it

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t
It was italic, how’d he miss that

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t
It was italic, how’d he miss that

tbf who said the quote is kind of irrelevant to the post that nero actually made and the point of caring whose post it eludes me completely aside from nitpicking.

It is but I’m not getting into that now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Forgot about Performers jailkeep so fair enough. But he's already stated severe limitations on his ability use and that bad things happen upon using them all. So it's still not guaranteed.

Fair but let me ask you this: We have a claimed JOAT, a flipped rolestopper, a claimed RB, an IC and more than likely an investigation role or 2. Do you actually think we'd not have protectives?

IDK man, it just feels really slimy that you'd sit there and go "we have to have evidence that there are protections in the game to think that there are protections in the game." Its very layerish it a scuzzy way.

How many games have you played on this site that were protectionless?

Btw I remember a mini normal that had a triple Strongman scumteam versus a town that had no protectives but a rolecop which could guilty any scum via Strongman not being a town role

[Gamma Emerald]

he's probably gonna flip noobtown though now that i just said that

That’s what he probably is
Anyone voting xx has to justify why he never gets help from his scummates on the IC situation
Surely it would have come up when discussing the nightkill right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm
Need to see what xx200Late was thinking about FL going into night, that will inform my thoughts on whether that is valid

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone voting xx has to justify why he never gets help from his scummates on the IC situation

Did RC not go to bat for him?

and like if he's scum playing the noob card then even if his scum team did go "hey XX boonleaf is an innocent child" and he knew that the whole point of playing the noob card is to pretend like he doesn't know.

According to RC himself, the word innocent child was actually used in thread so how can he not know unless he's not reading but he didn't claim that.

VOTE: XX

I stated it was too natural to be fake imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Maxous is scum.

Do you really think this or are you saying this because he is disagreeing with you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Stop FL, you have 2 votes get it together.

This is scummy, and a discredit to the IC.

Maxous/Profii/RCE.

Xx is obv town. Quit being lazy with that one.

Nero is clearly being setup as a mislynch.

Sephiroth is literally near mechanically cleared as town due to the wagon yesterday, plus reasons I can bring up tomorrow. (Assumingly others will tomorrow too, talk about this more later).

This is fair point, I have a tell, albeit dated, that scum need to discredit confirmed town who are on track, so it more likely comes from them when it happens.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have never scum read Profii like this ever. We generally work together really well when we’re both town, and he actively tries to show me that. I’m literally conf town, and I’m getting nothing.

I’ve also been subtly pushing I thought he was scum for a bit.

He’s also actively trying to tear Saudade down to weaken me.

This is ScumProfii.

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

[Gamma Emerald]

To be fair, I am actually starting to lean less on Maxous.

VOTE: Profii

I truly think this is scum, though.

This I’m considering following on.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm also a Joat, last night I disloyal vigged Maxous. He's not dead so there's my readflip from day 1 to day 2.

Why don’t you “disloyal vig” me tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm also a Joat, last night I disloyal vigged Maxous. He's not dead so there's my readflip from day 1 to day 2.

Actually thinking about it my role has about the same utility, so I’m CCing this.
I am a Town Ascetic Disloyal Ninja Babysitter. So I have ability to target a player at night, and if I die and they are scum they die too. So I’m kinda like a disloyal bomb. This role is why I was upset at the quickhammer, as I wanted to crumb a target for last night.
Now why does the mod include a one shot disloyal vig with a role that kinda does the same thing but with more intrigue (the role has to die to take effect) and more effectiveness (Ascetic means I cannot be roleblocked). The simple answer? He didn’t.
VOTE: RCEnigma

[Gamma Emerald]

what does ninja and ascetic do... wouldnt any attempt to track/watch/motion detect/whatever fail on just either 1 of those modifiers, why have both

Ascetic prevents docs/rbs from interfering
Ninja prevents watcher/voyeur from seeing me

And I’d agree claiming would ruin my utility but in this scenario it’s wise, since I wasn’t getting NKed anytime soon and I felt the need to CC.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, I’m still skeptical but I can see your utility as unique now.
VOTE: profii

[Gamma Emerald]

Because we just can lynch within Gamma’s targets.

Explain?

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s very WiFoMy though.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I target town and die, my target lives
This is why I wanted to crumb: I was going to say “If I die tonight <target> is town”, because if I die and am wrong it flips as soon as the disprovenent happens so there’s 0 negative impact from being wrong there.

[Gamma Emerald]

The bomb terminology is my interpretation of the role. Bomb is not a normal role.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who did you target n1 Gamma by the way?

Sephiroth

[Gamma Emerald]

I propose I should target RCE. RCE targets Garmr/Saudade. Gamma is also on RCE. Performer does what he wants.

The reason I want Garmer/Saudade checked is their votes on profii suck. I'm not buying Saudade playing the sheep all the time, and Garmr basically sneaked into the wagon out of nowhere.

But maybe I should think more about it to make use of Performer's abilities?

P.S. Many of you know why I have been a bit quiet today, but for those who don't, I've been busy preparing for the launch of my new game, setting up PTs (including 3 hydra slots), sending out Role PMs, verifying links in Role PMs for the umpteenth time, etc.

This sounds reasonable on profii townflip
What about a scumflip though?

[Gamma Emerald]

That was a derp hammer
If profii flips scum who should I target FL? Leaning RCE, as RCE flipping scum is nearly a definitive guilty on Maximus while the inverse is not as condemning

[Gamma Emerald]

My role doesnt kill unless I die

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma please confirm. Your role, you target someone and if you die: town lives or scum dies. That is your only ability, no? The rest are just modifiers.

Pretty much.

[Gamma Emerald]

My result: Garmr didn't do it

Huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

My result: Garmr didn't do it

Huh?

I don't understand this either? I didn't do it but why target me?

I’m more confused how that comes from loyal rb

[Gamma Emerald]

I have one, wish I had checked someone else tho.

Who is it

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not day 1 wut

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok then...? How did I get Loyal in that case...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk. This seems similar to a game I thought I was SK, but was town weak vig.

Nosf was scum there, and I’m getting similar vibes.

Wow he never mentions that game o.o

[Gamma Emerald]

okay the deadline is cripplingly short rneither vote something that has a chance of getting lynched or post your best case
VOTE: nero cain
This is the only vote I don't mildly object to rn

[Gamma Emerald]

This is the only vote I don't mildly object to rn

y?

Nos i remember townreading
xx200Late I think should be cleared anyways
Saudade I think is a minor threat as scum during the day at least

[Gamma Emerald]

Nos i remember townreading
xx200Late I think should be cleared anyways
Saudade I think is a minor threat as scum during the day at least

this lacks a reason for why you think my slot is scum.

It should be clear via wording that's not why I'm voting you? I voted you because you had a vote and I felt least bad about voting you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really tbh. I kinda stopped giving a shit once the initial excitement from my role died.

[Gamma Emerald]

Could someone like compile all the actions and claims?
Free townpoints

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m glad I got to play this game tbh
Didn’t do as much as I’d hoped but I was still able to bait a kill and kill a scum in the process, and most likely for my reads