Open 745: 9:12 [Game Over]

[Pink Ball]

Hello, I'm Pink Ball, and this is jackass

VOTE: rooroo

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So everybody checked in, that's nice. You know what's nice too? Me. I'm nice. Trust me.

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pink ball, do you happen to be a pink guy?

Do balls have gender? 'Cause I'm a pink ball.

Love that I have a whole question for myself in a post, I feel special. Maybe it's because I'm nice. Maybe it's Maybelline.

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Because I'm drawing attention? So you caught two scums because of calling attention? Is calling attention only a scum trait, or can town call attention too?

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Change all the calls for draws if you want, I don't really know if they are synonyms

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Because I'm drawing attention? So you caught two scums because of calling attention? Is calling attention only a scum trait, or can town call attention too?

Is this at me? I don't believe that one alignment gets attention more than the other. It depends on the other players, not the player who attention is actually on. "Drawing attention" is a non-tell that new players tend to use as a tell.

Sorry I think I made a conclusion that wasn't correct. You said that kitkat thought that drawing attention wasn't scummy, implying that calling attention could be scummy, and then said that I would be your second option for voting, so I assumed you were saying I was drawing attention and that you would vote me because of that.

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Hello there

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I'm disappointed

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Spooky. I'm still disappointed, but I'll give you epic gamers a chance.

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If I say it I wouldn't give the rest the chance to redeem themselves.

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Hello there

Ok guys, time's up. I'm really disappointed, I was ready to give a solid townread to whoever answered me to this with "General Kenobi". Guess you don't want to be townread by the mighty Pink Ball.

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How do you want me to play the game if nobody wants to be townread

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no u

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(For me, the only way to stay engaged in an all and all disengaged game is to be here and do nothing. It's not going to be like that the whole game. I have some medium rare thoughts, I don't want to flip them before they get cooked well)

p-edit: sure, scumread me, that's the other alternative

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ill take your word for it

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I don't want you to feel frustrated tho, so I'll give you this: my vote on rooroo stopped being an RVS vote some time ago, and I'm townreading you. That's where I am right now

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Wait is that L-1? You're giving me, the mighty Pink Ball, the golden opportunity to lolhammer ofrhz? Is this heaven, or West Virginia maybe?

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If I wanted to lolhammer I would've done it already. By how the gamestate is right now, having someone at L-1 is too risky IMO.

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Oh! So you're giving me, THE MIGHTY PINK BALL...!

Ok you guys get it.

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So edgy

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I don't want you to feel frustrated tho, so I'll give you this: my vote on rooroo stopped being an RVS vote some time ago, and I'm townreading you. That's where I am right now

1. i would expect a Newbie to say something like "there's no reason to not share your thoughts". If I'm waiting to confirm something that my intervention would mess up that specific thing I'm waiting to happen, then better shut up about it, right? I only told Invinsibility I was indeed doing something else than just messing around, 'cause he felt like he was playing alone.
2. The post I'm quoting here are my thoughts right now, so not only you shaded me because of something that is not scummy, but also didn't check all my posts. Your scumread on me is atrocious, even my lolposts are better. I give you a 2 out of 10

[Pink Ball]

Good vote. You're a good boi (I'm going to approach you like you're the dog on your picture)

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I'm giving it a pass tho. Tunneling comes from town, and the way he worded his post about me doesn't seem to be coming from "scum who is pushing an easy mislynch" but rather "town who thinks he already solved the game".

rooroo is a good push, a very good one indeed.

Could you guys explain your votes on ofrhz? I feel like I missed something.

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I was voting for the sake of a wagon

Don't you think L-1 is a little extreme for a mostly RVS wagon? We didn't even get an ofrhz' reaction over it.

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Oh, ofrhz requested replacement

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Yeah I was just pointing it out because I talked about ofrhz not reacting to said pressure (I don't think an RVS wagon is pressure but whatever) but then realized he requested replacement so we won't get that reaction ever.

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(For me, the only way to stay engaged in an all and all disengaged game is to be here and do nothing. It's not going to be like that the whole game. I have some medium rare thoughts, I don't want to flip them before they get cooked well

There's no good reason for town not to share these thoughts.

Unvoted, Vote Pink Ball

i guess i should share i think kitcat sounds the most genuine

i also kinda like slaxx for town BUT IM NOT TELLING YOU WHY so he cant conform his play <=== invisibility

using the real smrats
lol i meant to spell my name wrong but i spelled it right on accident lmaomaomaoamoamaoma

pedit
UNVOTE:
uh ok

Scum points to SA for just totally ignoring the same “tell” on the same page as this one. Looks like someone interpreting selectively to fit a narrative.

If they'd done the exact same thing, I'd see where you are coming from. Invisibility said you are town but doesn't want to say why. Pink ball seems to be choosing not to share anything at all despite claiming to have some thoughts.

This two together seems like tunneling. Starting with the fact that your first statement about "not sharing info is not town" is superficial at best. Before throwing that read on me you already said I was your second choice for a vote, so am I wrong to assume you're scumreading me? I think I'm being pretty consistent with my read on you having the information I have about you right now. So no, not "interesting" at all.

[Pink Ball]

tunneling is when the highest poster maintains an idiotic scumread on me for most of day 1 every game because I'm low efforting or not 100% obvtown despite my posting not actually being scum-indicative at all.

actually the fact that pb thinks he's being tunneled here is probably a bit scummy

Tunneling is being shortsighted and seeing everything someone say/do as scummy. That's how I see it, and that's how I felt about Assassin, since what I was doing wasn't scummy, and when someone called him out for reading me as scummy when someone else was doing the same, he said it was not the same. You don't need a whole thread full of posts to know when someone is tunneling.

Could you explain why do you think me feeling tunneled is scummy? And look at rethoric here: I said I feel tunneled, not THINK I'm being tunneled. You know that's different.

[Pink Ball]

Finally someone funny, sheesh

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Ok, I'm pretty pissed off right no. I was fucking memeing all time when there was literally ONE PERSON POSTING, and I'm called out for not doing shit? I was doing shit, I was trying to get reactions, and I got one from Invisibility that helped me sort him out. If you don't know what the hell I'm doing, ask me, for fucks sake. I already said I didn't want to explicitly say what my reads were at the time 'cause I was waiting for something to happen, why the fuck is that scummy? I really can't believe this shit.

Also, I already explained two fucking times why I felt tunneled, and you keep addressing that shit as I am wrong? FEELINGS, FEELINGS, FEEEEEEEELIIIIIIIINGS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, I CAN'T BE WRONG ABOUT HOW I FEEL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I *THINK* IT'S A TUNNEL. And the feeling, as I already explained, was justified on some specific posts that made me feel I was going to be scumread by Sleepless no matter what I said/did.

I'm going to be boring from now on and be pretty much straightforward with my thoughts 'cause it's clearly impossible to do something else without people thinking "what the hell is this guy doing, omg scum!!one!11!".

I started to scumread rooroo 'cause of this post:

I will policy lynch the next person to suggest that I somehow need to put more effort into towning on day 1 than everyone else just because I'm me this has happened 3 games in a row now and 2 of them including this one are on meme alts.

low effort isn't even scum-indicative for me.

It felt like it was not a genuine feeling, too defensive when I think there was no much pressure on her, and including the fact that this is her meme alt was sketchy too, like "don't expect too much coming from me". BUT I changed my mind, everyone scumreading me because of not contributing made me feel the same way, so now this post is NAI and I have nothing on rooroo.

Invisibility reaction to my shitposting, on the other hand, felt genuine, like without thinking. "Fuck this guy, I'm trying to play this game and this guy is doing nothing" and voting me without thinking consequences comes from town IMO.

Eragon's catchup is bad in my books. The last post, specially, saying that either me or sleepless is scum and the other town, seems like preparing lynches beforehand. I think there's nothing to come to the conclusion that one of us is town and the other one is scum exclusively. We could both be scum, for example. If Sleepless flipped scum, would I become town because of how Sleepless is scumreading me or because of how I reacted to his scumread on me? No, there's nothing of that. Eragon, on that matter, seems to have the ulterior motive to note this in order to lynch one of us first and the other one when the first one flips town. This gives me even more reasons to believe Sleepless is town; I already pointed out why I feel Sleepless' posts about me feel townie.

Slaxx I think has been the most reasonable player of the whole playerlist, and his last interactions with Eragon are maybe the most AI think you could get from a player in this game. I get that someone could not like his tone, but that's pretty much NAI compared with the content he has provided. I townread people who is reasonable in general, and this is a perfect case where scum would be doing another thing that Slaxx is not doing.

From the rest, kitcat, EyesWithoutAFace and CultofAthena, I got nothing, mainly because I was focusing on the other slots first; I'm going to reread those ISOs but there's nothing that caught my attention while reading the thread... I mean I have some gutreads on Cult being townie and kitcat being scummy, but I'm not giving too much credit to that for now. Maybe real-time interactions could make those slots easier to sort out.

So my reads would be:
{SleeplessAssasin, Slaxx, Invisibility} townreads
{CultofAthena} nulltown
{rooroo, EyesWithoutAFace} null
{kitcat} nullscum
{Eragon} scumreads

Nulltown, Null and Nullscum are really close to each other, but far away from townreads and scumreads.

VOTE: Eragon

[Pink Ball]

Add to Eragon scumreading everyone to my "Eragon is scum" arguments

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Why are you treating me like an idiot? I said I was pissed off because of being scumread when I think there's no reason for scumreading someone fluffing around with purpose behind. I never insulted you, and when I delivered my reads I toned down the "pissed off mood" in order to not belittle no one. Saying things like ""Scum because he OBVIOUSLY HAS AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE of lining up lynches and OBVIOUSLY DIDNT EXPLAIN ANYTHING AT ALL" yes this makes sense 1000%" is ?. I didn't say you didn't explain anything at all, I said it felt like you were lining up lynches because I didn't like the reasoning behind your reads on me and Sleepless. I know my alignment, of course I think you're wrong about what you're doing.

About scumreading everyone: yeah sorry, I thought you had EWAF as townie and then degraded him to a slight scumread because of being self aware, so I thought you had 5 instead of 4, my bad.

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I think your reply to my post was townie tho. I don't like your tone, but your tone is the thing that makes me feel you're being angry town with who you think is scum. If you were scum and your faked scumread started scumreading you, I think your reaction would've been more "I have to look better than this guy" and the way you reacted doesn't seem to be like that. I mean, you depicted me like an idiot, but the way you did it was different from what I would've expected from scum.

UNVOTE: Eragon

So that makes me pretty confident that the scumteam is in my nullreads. We'll need those sweet interactions now.

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Anyway I really like real time talks, I think they’re kind of special in terms of getting reads.

But I have to sleep, so, just drop any other questions you have for me.

I got a townread on you because of your real time talk with Eragon. Quoting you, "(real time talks) are kind of special in terms of getting reads".

Do you want me to explain further why I think your real life interaction was townie, or you don't like it because you think scum!me gets some kind of advantage by townreading you? 'Cause I think scum!me would be much better scumreading you.

[Pink Ball]

Let me rephrase:

Why were my interactions AI? I get the RTI helps but is there a reason beyond being reasonable?

By "being reasonable" I meant to say that I'm agreeing with your line of thought and your progress. Scum can make sense too of course, but the important thing here is to check context, which in this case is the gamestate. Eragon stirred the game up with his replacement and you were there to interact with him when he was catching up. You could've waited until he was caught up to see what could be the best course of action, but you didn't: you jumped in and started talking with him 'cause you weren't agreeing with him but you thought he was town so it was worth it.

Being reasonable by itself is NAI; being reasonable along with timing is good. Your contributions have been good to the game in order to make it playable; you have provided info to make yourself sortable and to sort other players too, when you could've focused on pushing other players who haven't contributed that much (or pushed me, since I'm in a position that makes me an easy push without that much retaliation for the pushers).

I can post specific posts I liked before the RTI and during the RTI if you want, but that's what I get from your slot in general.

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Ok, I'm pretty pissed off right no. I was fucking memeing all time when there was literally ONE PERSON POSTING, and I'm called out for not doing shit? I was doing shit, I was trying to get reactions, and I got one from Invisibility that helped me sort him out. If you don't know what the hell I'm doing, ask me, for fucks sake. I already said I didn't want to explicitly say what my reads were at the time 'cause I was waiting for something to happen, why the fuck is that scummy? I really can't believe this shit.

Also, I already explained two fucking times why I felt tunneled, and you keep addressing that shit as I am wrong? FEELINGS, FEELINGS, FEEEEEEEELIIIIIIIINGS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, I CAN'T BE WRONG ABOUT HOW I FEEL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I *THINK* IT'S A TUNNEL. And the feeling, as I already explained, was justified on some specific posts that made me feel I was going to be scumread by Sleepless no matter what I said/did.

Uh this feels kinda ATE and OTT to me and I'm not sure why you're reacting this way?

So my reads would be:
{SleeplessAssasin, Slaxx, Invisibility} townreads
{CultofAthena} nulltown
{rooroo, EyesWithoutAFace} null
{kitcat} nullscum
{Eragon} scumreads

Also this readslist is like upside down in comparision to mine

I changed my mind about Eragon already, and the way you're posting right now reminds me of other player who I usually scumread because of playstyle instead of content, so keep it going.

Also about ATE yeah it was pretty emotional but when I explained my reads I toned it down. I was pretty much pissed off by being scumread by almost everyone just because I was trying to be funny in a game that no one was playing.

[Pink Ball]

Ok, who do you think is going to lolhammer in this game?

@pinkball

Did I specifically said I thought someone could lolhammer? At that moment the game was pretty dead and I would not have been surprised if someone hammered ofrhz without realizing it (not on purpose, I mean. ofrhz was on L-1 too early).

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Okay I like that a lot more. Thanks for explaining. Eragon has mentioned pocketing and I’m super susceptible to that, especially as I built a rapport with the player, so I just wanted to see that I wasn’t being fleeced.

Yeah I knew were you where coming from since Eragon already talked about that alternative, but... Again, I don't like talking about what I would and wouldn't do as town or scum since it's pretty much useless, but I wouldn't try to pocket a player I don't know that much or that I think that they could outplay me. You're both of these cases.

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you were worried about someone hammering without realizing it would be hammer given the gamestate and infrequency of vcs

That's what I meant the whole time. I don't know more than half of the playerlist and Not_Mafia is not here.

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okay
also I was trying to see if pinky would react to me disliking it but eh nah
he would probably respond to more in-depth disliking
pedited

You were talking about me back there? Didn't realize

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@Eragon no hard feelings, you took me by surprise but it was a good move after all. It's okay you guys called me out; I felt disengaged at the begining of the game mostly because I wanted to play with ofrhz and rooroo and it seemed like neither of them were going to come here and jam. I still don't agree being scumread for what I did at first pages, but now I have more motivation towards this game and playerlist.

About bolded in your 301 post: no no, I meant that I was leaning scum because of playstyle instead of content, and that his (kitcat) new posts made me realize that, and that the content he provided started to give me townvibes. To be more clear: I usually scumread skitter because of playstyle, because long ass posts with multiquotes give me the creeps, but I sorted out that was NAI from her and started looking for other things. I'm feeling the same way about kitcat here.

About pocketing: the part of "someone who worries you" is the thing we disagree by definition. You can pocket anyone, and I go for someone who matches the personality traits I'm more comfortable with in order to create a bond. Slaxx is a savage for what I've seen, so I would try to get townread by him indirectly instead of 1 on 1 interactions, which for me are the best way of pocketing. I mean, there are ton of ways: defending someone who's being scumread 'cause, as scum, you know their alignment; interactions; or simply doing/saying something you know that player will townread because of past experience. I couldn't do any of those three things with Slaxx.

By my definition of pocketing, I would be much less impressed is someone said I'm trying to pocket you instead of Slaxx, for example, since I've toned down and my last long replies have been towards you.

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@Invisibility do you have some sort of readlist that you could share?

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Thanks. I'm lacking of info about CultOfAthena at the moment, could you summarize your read on that slot? I'll ISO them right now too

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Do you want me to explain how I came to the conclusion I'm town too?

Yes please!

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What in the hell just happened

I could only see this coming from town because there's no way this guy doesn't have a partner that told him that was an awful idea. Do the scum has daychat? If they do, I don't think Eyes is scum

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Yeah you're right. By the way we don't have a votecount a long time ago, is there someone who can make an unofficial one? I lost the count and I don't have any tools to make one fast.

If Invisibility just hammered, this are my final thoughts: if Eyes flips red, I think there's a lot of evidence that would put Sleepless Assasin as his partner.

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oh so the reason I'm scumreading coa is that she last posted about wanting to policy lynch everyone when the game was mostly shitposting/lurking but it seems like as soon as it got serious she disappeared

That's good reasoning, but pretty much NAI for a player who has been disappearing like.. The whole game

I hope we can interact more tomorrow rooroo, I suscribed to this because of you.

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o kitcat was still on the wagon maybe

With her RVS vote? That's bad. Not bad from kitcat, but bad from this wagon. But then again... He put himself on L-1, so who am I to judge.

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oh so the reason I'm scumreading coa is that she last posted about wanting to policy lynch everyone when the game was mostly shitposting/lurking but it seems like as soon as it got serious she disappeared

That's good reasoning, but pretty much NAI for a player who has been disappearing like.. The whole game

I hope we can interact more tomorrow rooroo, I suscribed to this because of you.

I think I might know who you are

Shit I knew you could realize because of this post. Please don't out me

[Pink Ball]

Final reads:
Eragon + rooroo + CoA are 100% town
Pink + kitcat are probably town
Invis + Slaxx are the likely scum pair
Assassin might be scum if one of Invis/Slaxx isn't

Gun to my head: Invis is more likely scum than Slaxx (who might be a PR who doesn't know how to play a PR).

Yes you were pushing on someone who you thought was PR very good very good.

Yup he got me I am the doctoriest doctor to ever doctor a doctor festival. So talented.

Wow you're a doctor too? Maybe the mod got the PMs mixed up

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okay don't out me either

I adore you

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Praise the sun!

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Just checked the sample roles that ChibiBear provided in his first post and it says that they may have communication during day and night, so maybe you're wrong Eyes?

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What you mean? Eyes was saying he was pretty sure there was no day chat and I used that as a counter argument.

I'm here to jam too. What do you think of the option of SA being the scumpartner of Eyes? I think Eyes was trying to do some distancing with his scumpool and the reasoning behind not voting SA was the wackiest.

SA voting Eyes is a counter argument, but maybe he thought it wasn't going to implode like that?

[Pink Ball]

Awwww Eragon you haven't reevaluated me since your catch up? That's sad.

@Slaxx Oh I get what you're saying, I used the word "may" because in the role PMs it says "you may discuss the game here during day and night", so it was just bad paraphrasing

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I got it too, don't worry. I'm just concerned about your reads being too different to mine. I mean we have SA in common if Eyes flips red, but I don't know about him if Red flips red, neither CoA and Slaxx.

Also, just want to point out that, if no one on your pull is nightkilled on N1, you'd have too many scumreads and now it would be concerning

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p-edit that was @Eragon

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Your depiction of me/assasin still concerns me. Is there any way to convince you that we could be both town and one being town doesn't make the other one scum? 'Cause I really see no correlation between us two.

[Pink Ball]

I got it too, don't worry. I'm just concerned about your reads being too different to mine. I mean we have SA in common if Eyes flips red, but I don't know about him if Red flips red, neither CoA and Slaxx.

Also, just want to point out that, if no one on your pull is nightkilled on N1, you'd have too many scumreads and now it would be concerning

Lol. I meant to say "If Eyes flip green" the second time. I'm sorry, it usually takes me more time to write and I'm trying to go faster in order to interact with both of you.

[Pink Ball]

@slaxx using your same metric:

Inv->Slaxx->Eragon-> /// kitcat->CoA->rooroo /// SA

Why do you have rooroo so up?

p-edit you already answered. I really think I can get a better read on rooroo on D2, but the way she's playing pings me. She could argue it's because of being an alt, but some things never change

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Your depiction of me/assasin still concerns me. Is there any way to convince you that we could be both town and one being town doesn't make the other one scum? 'Cause I really see no correlation between us two.

its simple

i think both of you are scummy

i dont think you are both scum together based on interactions and you "feeling tunneled"

i feel scum would know their scumbuddy isnt actually "tunneling" so i feel that reaction never is SvS


if you can prove you are both town then ill chalk up my mistakes and say i played a terrible game read-wise then go smash my head into a wall

The two last lines is what I was needing right now, thank you! By the way you ignored my post about you not reevaluating my slot. By how I've been playing after my long ass rant, do you still scumread me because of the first half of this game, or do you have anything new on my slot to prove that scumread?

[Pink Ball]

Night night fellas! @Eragon sorry I didn't realize you were saying that towards me, I thought it was just a general commentary

[Pink Ball]

Good job fellas!! Eragon you're a sweetheart, being nightkilled is an honor!

I thought people would realize that your change of reads on D2 was pretty damning about {SA, Eragon}, but you did a pretty good job on D1 being really townie so I understand that nobody went there. As you said, I was the only one who could have realized that, but I had to die to get it so meh. I think the only reason I would've pushed you is how things resolved: PoE. I had rooroo townlocked as always, slaxx was a PR, skitter was confirmed town, Vizzy was townie as fuck... I think you didn't have too much chances, so you making it to LyLo is a victory itself!

Thanks Chibi for modding, it was a great game! And thank you all for playing, it was a nice experience.