I’m currently townreading Karmeleon and ENG.
In post 3221, Something_Smart wrote:
Ok time to :thonk: about this.Spoiler:
RCE's vote stands out the most, but I suspect it was because he wasn't online to change his vote after profii's claim. I am surprised he didn't show up at all in the 12+ hours before deadline to at least reevaluate his vote which was at that time over a week old... but him being busy at the wrong time certainly isn't indicative of alignment.
There are a lot of lurker votes. 4 on flippy, 3 on Theta and 2 on Ultimate Lurkers. Of note is the fact that all the flippy/Theta votes were relatively recent but both UL votes were from a lot earlier. I don't recall a lot of discussion of lynching UL near the end of the day, but I know there was for flippy, which brings up the question to dave and Thanos, why did you stay on UL when it seemed like the consensus was if a lurker was lynched, it would be flippy?
Now, I know there was some meta case on flippy, I have no idea if there were any cases on the other two beyond activity. I think I recall feeling UL was slightly town but they definitely don't have enough content to read confidently. I don't think I've ever read Theta anyway.
The final thing of note is the votes on TLK who is pretty much not a lynch option at this stage in the game. I recognize that there's some element of daring in keeping your vote on a supersaint claim knowing that you could end up being hammer and getting killed by it. I also recognize that this is scarier for scum if TLK is town (conversely, if he is scum then it would be safer for scum who know it won't happen). But I still think it's stupid to stay on him at this point in the game, when his power is far more useful if used lategame... and all the votes on him were kept from long enough ago that it's unlikely they'd end up being the hammer vote.
Don't really see anything notable in the other wagons.
I'm not a huge proponent of VCA; I was more interested in seeing votecounts so I could see where people's heads were at during the day and how people would respond to wagons. But I think if we are going to get anything from this VC, it will probably be from the TLK or UL wagons.
In post 3298, DrewVa wrote:In post 3214, Something_Smart wrote:Maybe a watcher or tracker caught a scum roleblocker visiting them. Maybe there is no scum roleblocker, or they only have one shot and didn't want to use it. All that is potential info for the town. NOT for the scum.
But how is prematurely outing any kind of investigative, ever good for town? Doesn’t it just inform scum to avoid those slots?
In post 3231, The Last Knight wrote:
I wish I could laugh, but the cringe takes over. The beef that DrewVa has with Thanos (Lamees) and BEF has little to do with this game, it seems. The hate posts and calling people stupid is pretty weak imo and I'm not a fan.
In post 3302, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 3298, DrewVa wrote:In post 3214, Something_Smart wrote:Maybe a watcher or tracker caught a scum roleblocker visiting them. Maybe there is no scum roleblocker, or they only have one shot and didn't want to use it. All that is potential info for the town. NOT for the scum.
But how is prematurely outing any kind of investigative, ever good for town? Doesn’t it just inform scum to avoid those slots?
Is BEF town? (People who are familiar with him)
In post 2999, Ramcius wrote:I disliked how Mc tried end D1 with less than 24h left, his attempt to lynch Xtoxm right before deadline stands out too, when we have EFN scumflip (AC was on my list too for late Theta push, but they dead), his start of D2 interactions felt weird
TLK interactions you ask? Gamma is scum for sure, if TLK is, his vote against me, their interactions (TLK not pushing Gamma, when people started oppose my wagon, but changed his mind later in D1, Gamma being surprised by TLK not townreading him), DrewVa being undecided which one of us to choose, but once TLK came with some bad push on me, DrewVa accepted it without questions and was relentless pushing me
Tbh, i'd kill A50 N1 too, he's a formidable player, so I won't try look deep in that kill, especially, when he didn't outed his reads
In post 3305, DrewVa wrote:I’m not getting a great feeling about SS’s outing minor investigatives posts. What is your take on that?
In post 2850, mcqueen wrote:
Hey, I’m unsure of DrewVa at this point because I feel they are slippery, but my read on them has been mostly town so far despite my pushing.
However, you mentioned earlier people use the “bring to first unread post” button and I have no idea what that is, nor have i ever used it. Sorry, i hate picking on people because maybe they really did miss it. Tbh, while i was actively seeking it out, it was not the first post i saw. But i did make sure to find it before posting.
Think ur reason is flimsy and unreliable Nev and Max
In post 3305, DrewVa wrote:I haven’t gotten a chance to check out the scumgames he linked but he does seem to be very sincere about his opinions/reads and he is doing a lot more here than in Overkill 2 (where he was town)
In post 3299, DrewVa wrote:???
DVa said something in our confessional about not liking how you responded to BEF. I currently have no idea what that’s about though.
In post 2859, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 2857, mcqueen wrote:Also, you still didnt answer why you’re agreeing with thanos and voting drewva. Thanos was proven more than once to not have made the best points regarding their vote on them
Performer agreed with Thanos. I'm Cheeky and I don't know what Thanos is saying because I'm reading parts that catch my eye. I voted Drewva for how they're reacting to pressure on them around the so called "scum slip" they're more likely to harp on about people being dumb (BEF) when they're scum ime.
I don't like you pushing Drewva whilst unvoting them. Not sure what that means yet.
~ C
In post 2860, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Alonzo Theta is clearly being setup - it's unlikely scum kill people who lead back to them so blatantly, but yeah wifom.
~ C
In post 3311, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 3305, DrewVa wrote:I haven’t gotten a chance to check out the scumgames he linked but he does seem to be very sincere about his opinions/reads and he is doing a lot more here than in Overkill 2 (where he was town)
I read those games. I noticed he does try harder as scum so I'm a little concerned with his efforting here and also with a few things he's said. I will say he feels a little less stiff in this game though and I haven't noticed any blatant resemblances so I'm flip flopping there.
In post 3312, Ramcius wrote:In post 3299, DrewVa wrote:???
DVa said something in our confessional about not liking how you responded to BEF. I currently have no idea what that’s about though.
BEF tried to start discussion, if i should vote end of day, so I won't have power to hammer end day later. I just voted end day right there, Xtoxm and BEF himself didn't liked that, so I unvoted. That was end of that discussion. DVa didn't liked me doing that
In post 2839, Nev and Max wrote:
I totally understand that wifom is a thing. I'm saying that it is my opinion that scum are much more likely to try and take their destiny into their own hands. I know that I would if I were scum. I would argue that wifom exists no matter what, why try out thinking people when you can just say wifom and get out of it.
In post 2841, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 2840, Ramcius wrote:BEF, are you have strong townread on other 3 day reps?
I don't think being a Day Rep in itself is AI. For all I know all 4 could be scum. I think you are scum because you are a day rep without winning a BOONus round and the only other way we know of that someone can become a Day Rep is if they are scum and chose themselves to be a Day Rep.
In post 2841, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 2840, Ramcius wrote:BEF, are you have strong townread on other 3 day reps?
I don't think being a Day Rep in itself is AI. For all I know all 4 could be scum. I think you are scum because you are a day rep without winning a BOONus round and the only other way we know of that someone can become a Day Rep is if they are scum and chose themselves to be a Day Rep.
In post 3312, Ramcius wrote:In post 3299, DrewVa wrote:???
DVa said something in our confessional about not liking how you responded to BEF. I currently have no idea what that’s about though.
BEF tried to start discussion, if i should vote end of day, so I won't have power to hammer end day later. I just voted end day right there, Xtoxm and BEF himself didn't liked that, so I unvoted. That was end of that discussion. DVa didn't liked me doing that
In post 3177, Cheeky Dancer wrote:I think another point in my favour there is that I was never voting you Profii