Open 745: 9:12 [Game Over]

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: ofrhz

[Eyes without a face]

cultofathena, why are dogs cute?
sleepless assassin, do you think that there's money to be made in smuggling memorabilia?
ofrhz, why did you roll scum?

eyes without a face, why did they stop making honey gold wheaties?

rooroo, what is your favorite shearable animal?
slaxx, should seesaws be banned?
kitcat, do you believe in ghosts?

please answer these questions everyone

1 ran out of wheat
2 ran out of honey
or 3 ran out of gold

[Eyes without a face]

do you have a case on rooroo? @Invis
also what is a meme wagon?

[Eyes without a face]

I have no idea why people are suspecting other people and I feel like I'm in the wrong game. What are you people on about? Do you all know each other from before? I see new accounts but they talk to others back and forth like they already know each other.

ok I checked. kitcat and rooroo are totally new and this is their first game on the site = more confusion.

[Eyes without a face]

I have no idea why people are suspecting other people and I feel like I'm in the wrong game. What are you people on about? Do you all know each other from before? I see new accounts but they talk to others back and forth like they already know each other.

ok I checked. kitcat and rooroo are totally new and this is their first game on the site = more confusion.

Who do you suspect?

Nobody. Nobody has given me any good/bad vibes so far. That's why I'm confused

[Eyes without a face]

I have no idea why people are suspecting other people and I feel like I'm in the wrong game. What are you people on about? Do you all know each other from before? I see new accounts but they talk to others back and forth like they already know each other.

ok I checked. kitcat and rooroo are totally new and this is their first game on the site = more confusion.

they're alts

Oh. Figures.

[Eyes without a face]

@invis: are you usually that flip floppy with your vote? and is it just at the start of the game or an all-game-long thing?

ofrhz replace out is odd. not sure why they would do that, but I think I read somewhere that it's against the rules if they were scum, so maybe they're town for that reason?

[Eyes without a face]

@invis: are you usually that flip floppy with your vote? and is it just at the start of the game or an all-game-long thing?

ofrhz replace out is odd. not sure why they would do that, but I think I read somewhere that it's against the rules if they were scum, so maybe they're town for that reason?

Yeah that's not a rule. Some questions for you though. Are you usually slow to develop reads? Are you planning on doing something to get reads or just hoping they come to you? If you're doing something, what is it and when?

Am I usually slow to develop reads? I guess. There hasn't been much to base any reads on anyway.
Am I planning on doing something to get reads? Like what? I dunno what to do to get reads. It usually develops over time by looking for contradictions in someones posts.
What is it? I just told you. I am waiting for someone to say something that looks like a contradiction to what they said earlier. That's all I can do on day one I guess. I believe we can get more information during the night though so maybe I will have more to say on day two if we are lucky.

[Eyes without a face]

I think Eragon is town enough.

VOTE: unvote

[Eyes without a face]

Eragon is town
Invis might be

rooroo & CoA are town leans

1. Eyes without a face
2. Eragon
3. Invisibility
4. rooroo
5. CultOfAthena
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6. Sleepless Assassin
7. Slaxx
8. kitcat
9. Pink Ball

6-9 are not in any particular order. You can say they are still unsorted by me.

[Eyes without a face]

VOTE: Slaxx

Reason: Out of my 4 unsorted slots

1- I didn't want to put Pink Ball at L-1 in case he is town.
2- I didn't want to make Assassins an equally competent wagon in case Pink Ball was scum.
3- I don't want it to look like I'm voting kitcat because she's voting me.

[Eyes without a face]

None of those reasons are reasons you think I’m Mafia

No. I think both Mafia are in that pool. My reasons are not to prove it's you, but to explain why not voting anyone else.

[Eyes without a face]

But your response makes me feel better, because you are not arguing your alignment, but arguing the evidence. It's like you're saying "It's not what you know. It's what you can prove." which works in a court of law, but not in an online game.

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes w/out a Face do you have an abbreviation that you prefer such as EwoF, or Eyes, or Face or anything or does it not matter to you?

also, whats your experience in FM (about how long/how many games)

No preference.

I have good experience in FM, but I would rather not say where or give any more details.

[Eyes without a face]

Can you explain 2? The more I look at this the more I really don’t like #2.

If Pink Ball is scum and Assassin is town it would be a turning point shifting pressure off scum and unto town. I would rather not have that effect when I'm not sure of either's alignment. I want to let the fame flow naturally without much

unneeded

intervention from me until I know exactly what I'm doing, and I think I do now.

[Eyes without a face]

I think Eragon is very townie

I very much agree, and I don't care if he scum reads me. Your read on me does not affect my read on you. I could say he is wrong in suspecting me, but wrong =/= scum.

[Eyes without a face]

How much mafia experience do you have?

Enough to bypass the newbies queue

[Eyes without a face]

So the proper response to that would be “I’m Town”

I didn't say that and I would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. However you respond is up to you, but I didn't like the particular response you gave. What's so confusing about this?

Also, people wanted me to try harder and give reads and I did just that. What's wrong with that?

Finally (and this is of most importance to me), why are you making such a fuss about a single vote on you? O am but only one player with one vote, and nobody else is or has been voting you, so what do you have to worry about? In fact, here's your answer: Your overreaction to a mere single vote on you feels over the top and that is what is ponging me hard now.

[Eyes without a face]

Also, now that I’m ISOing you...

What happened in between 181,182, and 183?

You initially said you didn’t have reads and then immediately churned a list out.

I don't need to share everything that goes in my mind with anyone before I weigh and reconsider. Would you have felt better if I said I have reads that I wasn't sure of and will have to rethink about them before I posted?

Also you're ignoring 181 was in response to 163, so I read roughly 20 more posts to develop that read list. Do you have a problem with that?

[Eyes without a face]

But there’s a very real possibility both were scum. Why did you initially assume Assassin was town in that scenario? Especially when you think you have it narrowed down to four.

This feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons and not finding a way to back off. I assumed one is scum and the other is town and thus didn't vote either because I couldn't tell which is which. I don't think they are both scum because there's no need Assassin to bus his only partner this early.

[Eyes without a face]

But there’s a very real possibility both were scum. Why did you initially assume Assassin was town in that scenario? Especially when you think you have it narrowed down to four.

This feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons and not finding a way to back off. I assumed one is scum and the other is town and thus didn't vote either because I couldn't tell which is which. I don't think they are both scum because there's no need Assassin to bus his only partner this early.

It feels like you need to stop shifting the conversation and answer the question directly.

Did I not? I'll let the other players decide for themselves.

[Eyes without a face]

can you link me your last three games?

This is my first game on MS.

[Eyes without a face]

arent you supposed to argue the evidence?

What evidence? I provided none. I made it clear why I didn't want to vote any of the other 3 and that -by PoE- he was the only one left to vote for from my lynch pool. His response is "where is you evidence" which is a court room approach. Someone needs to be lynched in this game today and my choice is the one slot I didn't find a reason not to vote, so I voted them, End of. I don't need to have solid evidence to vote someone, and especially when I'm the first vote, so there's absolutely no danger of them getting mislynched before they have a proper chance to defend themselves and clarify the situation.

[Eyes without a face]

this is kinda rude

What? What exactly is rude about this or any of my other posts??

[Eyes without a face]

really the main reason i wasnt scumreading you was because i thought you were a newbie and some of these mistakes are common

As I said, I am not concerned about yours or anyone else's read on me. I do my reads independently from someone else's read on me.

So far only kitcat is looking slightly better than the other 3 in my view. I would lynch any of Assassin, Pink Ball or Slaxx with no regrets

[Eyes without a face]

So, eyes, what 20 posts between 163 and 181 inspired someone slow to get reads to sort most of the playerlist?

Waiting

@Eyes

In short, Eragon happened. he entered the game and started doing his page by page analysis which helped me not only form a read on him but also on other slots. I had already voiced a slight town read on the slot due to the replace out which many -including Eragon himself- objected to, but Eragon's posts strengthened my town read there.

Invis was already a town lean too, but that was about it and I wan't going to declare a read list of exactly one slot.

Eragon helped me see CoA is probably town, and I had to ISO rooroo to realize her claim to be new is a meme and that was confirmed by people mentioning it's an alt account, so disregarding the meme effect I realized 79 was too string to come from scum and 156 was being stubborn which is a town trait since scum would prefer to go with the flow. Overall feeling of rooroo was adjusted so that was 4 slots sorted out of 8. Do you want me to explain how I came to the conclusion I'm town too?

[Eyes without a face]

Do you want me to explain how I came to the conclusion I'm town too?

Yes please!

Don’t encourage him he’s either scum or daft.

You should be helping me figure out which.

Starting to lose grip and optong to personal slander isn't nice and won't get you anywhere you want to go

[Eyes without a face]

Okay.. let's see if I do..

VOTE: Eyes without a face

That's L-1

I claim VT.

[Eyes without a face]

this isnt town this cant be town

Explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves.

[Eyes without a face]

what the garbage

but basically this reaction except probably more expletive

You too, please.

[Eyes without a face]

this isnt town this cant be town

Explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves.

it can be a towncred grab

and explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves

I just asked that. I can[t explain why scum would L-1 themselves on D1 myself. Not in a 9 players setup with only 2 scum team.

[Eyes without a face]

OK... so, the PRs should target in my lynch pool + Invis. There are sure to be at least 1 PR there (possibly both) but -more importantly- both scum are there. and I'm 100% sure if that last bit.

I also know exactly why scum made that push on me. It was because of this exact phrasing:

That's all I can do on day one I guess. I believe we can get more information during the night though so maybe I will have more to say on day two if we are lucky.

I tried to bait the NK by subtly hinting I was a PR myself. Now go figure where Slaxx started his push and what posts he was interested in. He mentioned 181 several times.

Nice try, but you are now forced to lynch a VT on D1 and will not get a PR claim.

[Eyes without a face]

Wouldn’t it have just been easier to address #326 and #331

No, it wouldn't. Once I realize scum are trying to drive me mad I stop interacting seriously with scum.

[Eyes without a face]

why did you lamist

Why did you deep wolf?

[Eyes without a face]

eyes why are you shading people on the way out if you're town

please learn to play mafia better

Says the guy who posted this

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and is infamous for being an irrational shitposter. lololololol

[Eyes without a face]

y'know for a moment i was actually considering unvoting eyes thinking they may just be insane town
BUT NO
NEVER FALTER

Now this is what "lamist" looks like. "I want to mislynch them but I want to look town for it".


P-edit:

Nice. I got what I wanted. Game solved as far as I'm concerned. Lynch Slaxx/Invis and Assassin is a reserve choice. Scum are in these 3. Let's talk postgame.

[Eyes without a face]

Final reads:
Eragon + rooroo + CoA are 100% town
Pink + kitcat are probably town
Invis + Slaxx are the likely scum pair
Assassin might be scum if one of Invis/Slaxx isn't

Gun to my head: Invis is more likely scum than Slaxx (who might be a PR who doesn't know how to play a PR).

[Eyes without a face]

also this is probably town? but whatever

This is why I like you, "ruru". Please leave CoA alone. At least for one more day.

[Eyes without a face]

Final reads:
Eragon + rooroo + CoA are 100% town
Pink + kitcat are probably town
Invis + Slaxx are the likely scum pair
Assassin might be scum if one of Invis/Slaxx isn't

Gun to my head: Invis is more likely scum than Slaxx (who might be a PR who doesn't know how to play a PR).

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ROLEFISHING LIKE THIS JESUS CHRISt

I can do whatever I want. I am lynched already. And if Slaxx is indeed a PR he needs to be shot by scum so as not to claim any credit to victory (if town ever wins).

[Eyes without a face]

why is CoA 100% town?

they've had 7 posts...

Maybe in 716253417 years and 98758745877578553 more games you'll start to learn to make good reads, brother. I ain't wasting my time debating with someone who doesn't know how to play and has not improves an inch in almost a year.

[Eyes without a face]

eyes can you please stop be a miserable person to talk to
if you're town im probably going to, like, avoid you in future games

invis can please stop be a miserable person to play with

if you're seriosly thinking you know how to play mafia, like, you can't be more wrong

[Eyes without a face]

Do you guys not have daytalk?

more lamist. everyone with a brain knows this setup and almost every other open setup doesn't have daychat to begin with.

[Eyes without a face]

Just checked the sample roles that ChibiBear provided in his first post and it says that they may have communication during day and night, so maybe you're wrong Eyes?

Oh, ok. In that case I retract my declaration.