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Post Post #108 (isolation #0) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:24 pm

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In post 9, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: Keyser
You’ve made a hole in my heart :cry:
In post 12, the worst wrote:yea that's right Rel you leave my lover alone
But you just filled it up again x


(Phoneposting but full charged and ready to begin this great journey.)
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Post Post #109 (isolation #1) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:32 pm

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In post 27, Shoshin wrote:Irrelephant's town, too.

C'mon the worst, these are obvious things. Mitillos was getting discussion started with a fair question to Irrelephant, how is that scummy?
Lots of early town reads from TW and Relly but I like Shoshin’s the most here.

Shoshin is famous for getting out of RVS as soon as possible with a serious trajectory so did town-Shoshin see some of herself in Mitillos? Feels like it.

(I don’t think her reason makes Mit town though: calling out a quick change of vote that early to start discussion is NAI bordering on LAMIST).
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Post Post #110 (isolation #2) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:42 pm

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In post 32, skitter30 wrote:
In post 16, the worst wrote:VOTE: Mitillos
we lynch AlmostNancy tomorrow
why'd you switch your vote here?

==
In post 22, Creature wrote:I'm survivor, don't kill me
was kinda townie for you; not sure if this is a real claim or not

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In post 23, Irrelephant11 wrote:Creature is town

pedit: or not
you also feel low-key townie for you tbh

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i think mtilos' post was low-key townie but super super super weakly and it's the kind of thing i imagine is not too hard for scum to fake + asking why irrel switched votes is like an easy place for scum (and town!) to start the game so overall i don't think it's super ai if that makes sense

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In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:the worst is town,
what are you liking about him thus far?
Again, calling out a change of vote so early just feels too... :neutral: :? It’s page one/RVS players aren’t going to have deep/meaningful reasons in changing their vote.

But then skitter then goes on to explain the same thing (?) “I don’t think it’s super ai”.

I’m sensing LAMIST here :shifty:
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Post Post #111 (isolation #3) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:49 pm

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In post 34, Irrelephant11 wrote:the worst "agreeing to disagree" with shoshin was towny
As in scum-TW wouldn’t want town-Shoshin on his back? So TW doing the opposite of this is “towny”?
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Post Post #112 (isolation #4) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:58 pm

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In post 42, skitter30 wrote:gut

trying to articulate - for making the game semi-serious in rvs by starting to ask questions and ask for people's reasoning/intent instead of just making a hello/joke/entry post

again not impossible for scum to fake or anything but on balance i think it's a townie rvs post
A bit overworded here with a hint of reaching

I thought it was not ‘super ai”?

Interesting...
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Post Post #117 (isolation #5) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:27 pm

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I don’t feel like I have any warm town feels on anyone right now which is surprising.

Maybe a townlean on Shoshin (but disappointed she left Skitter wagon) - I thought Skitter was sheeping Shoshin too RE: Mitillos


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Post Post #118 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:30 pm

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In post 54, the worst wrote:I'm not gonna fight a skitter wagon at this juncture but is there like.. anything tangible or mostly vibes?
What is wrong with vibe/gut/low supported suspicion right now?

Do you like Skitter’s use of questions so far?
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Post Post #121 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:43 pm

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Gut is within the same ballpark ;)
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Post Post #123 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:49 pm

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In post 99, skitter30 wrote:
In post 92, Shoshin wrote:
In post 84, skitter30 wrote:town enough for page 4: mtilos, irrel, creature, nauci, shoshin
Why are you town on Nauci?
In post 81, Nauci wrote:I'm not ready to be tryhard lol I just wanted to banter a tad

I thought skitter30 would be more bantery like tw me and rel
feels townie to me; if that's what she thought her paranoia gutpinging makes sense; it's a weird thing for scum to make up
@Shoshin - Ok, this admittedly is a quirky reason to t/read someone (both in Nauci’s case and Skitters)
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Post Post #124 (isolation #9) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:50 pm

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In post 122, the worst wrote:I found it interesting I had such different gutpings from my town reads tbh. I feel like I'm very gradually getting better at reading skitter. did I give off the impression I was against them gutscumreading her?
Felt like you were open but opposed. A strange contradiction.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #10) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:12 pm

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@skitter - you having a gut town read wasn’t my problem.


I think it was the over-explaination of the gut read (that I thought had undertones of sheeping Shoshin’s reason)

I.e over-justification
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Post Post #174 (isolation #11) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:47 pm

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In post 161, Nauci wrote:Keyser you never picked an avatar for me
I wasn’t feeling eeeeeevil enough :giggle:

Don’t worry, I haven’t forgotten though :twisted:
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Post Post #175 (isolation #12) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:55 pm

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In post 152, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 150, Keyser Söze wrote:@skitter - you having a gut town read wasn’t my problem.


I think it was the over-explaination of the gut read (that I thought had undertones of sheeping Shoshin’s reason)

I.e over-justification
Trust me, skitter can talk much sometimes. The question is whether she's providing genuine content or just babbling. I say she's Town here.
Ok yours, Shoshin’s and Skitter’s own defence tells me I’m probably on the wrong path here... the over-articulation of a gut read is actually helpful... ‘babbling’ she is not.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #13) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:01 pm

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Will look at Performer next, but I can’t remember getting a feel either way from their entrance :shifty:
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Post Post #189 (isolation #14) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:40 am

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I actually want to look at Relly :shifty:
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Post Post #280 (isolation #15) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:30 am

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In post 230, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh nvm he's town
I super like 109, 150, 175 for town!him, though his paranoia of me is interesting and I'm curious to see where it will go
Sneak peak: I had a feeling you were buddying/pocketing on the sly in your entrance. I’ll need to read your subsequent recent posts.
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Post Post #285 (isolation #16) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:35 am

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I meant your entrance as a whole (not your first post). I’ll go through each post one by one that made me feel a disturbance in the force.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #17) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:36 am

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In post 283, Irrelephant11 wrote:honestly I think the moral of the story is shoshin/almostnancy/theworst should be the unbreakable townblock for the entire game
Even this one :shifty:
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Post Post #287 (isolation #18) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:36 am

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Perhaps TW and Nauci could chip in here too...
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Post Post #304 (isolation #19) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:00 am

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In post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter, keyser}
{nauci, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher, xtoxm} null
{mitillos, performer}

pedit: I do not think mitillos should be in the unbreakable townblock, no.
Keyser which of those three reads shouldn't be in the townblock? Or why is that post more likely to come from scum!me than town!me. I can't think of a reason for you to dislike that post.
It wasn’t about me scum reading anyone in your town block... it was me disliking you throwing that town block together so soon (and potentially trying to pocket those 3 players).

Sorry if I’m trapped in this frame of mind/narrative but I gotta post everything down when I’m back on my laptop
(So you can see what I’m seeing)
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Post Post #306 (isolation #20) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:03 am

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I’m struggling for town reads so Varsoon’s attack on the ‘town read frenzy’ is actually refreshing and comforting
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Post Post #312 (isolation #21) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:09 am

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Creature should be a null read for everyone right now.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #22) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:32 am

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In post 315, Shoshin wrote:
In post 312, Keyser Söze wrote:Creature should be a null read for everyone right now.
I thought the humor in his posts around were townish.
I don’t think he’s done anything so far that scum-Creature couldn’t easily replicate (that’s not me saying I’m an expect on Creature scum-meta)
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Post Post #329 (isolation #23) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:35 am

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I actually have (old) playhistory with Creature, Performer, Varsoon and teacher (?) so may dig up those games


I can definitely remember playing with Varsoon (I can remember swearing at him :giggle: )
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Post Post #494 (isolation #24) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:39 am

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@Relly, I think I owe you this. Gonna dump it all down in one post on why I'm having bad feels with you:-


Expressing early/easy town reads (pocketing):
In post 23, Irrelephant11 wrote:Creature is town
In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:the worst is town, shoshin is town
skitter is more likely town than not
creature is probtown unless his claim is real, in which case lol
In post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:Because she's obvtown

Sheeping a vote/wagon (buddying):
In post 19, Irrelephant11 wrote:Wanna wagon VOTE: mitillos with me though?
In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:shoshin your point is fair but now who do I wagon

Too defensive of his own meta:
In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:mitillos if you haven't figured it out I like wagons
In post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:So the scum game you found, I started the game as a lone Mafioso. I was later recruited by RCEnigma, so my unvote of him at the start of the game was uninformed (as uninformed as I am here) and not partner-indicative. Regardless, this is literally "I am cherry picking three of your games (excluding a bunch of them for no discernible reason - why would I play significantly different as IC, for example?) and you did this one thing as scum one time and you're doing it here; therefore, scum." Oh wait, also "an OMGUS vote". Do you believe in this read? You haven't tried to sell anyone on it. Are you just happy to feel like you can justify voting me, or?

Hard-defending 'town' - potential TMI'ing - pocketing attempt:
In post 225, Irrelephant11 wrote:but I am here to say that Shoshin is scum .01% of the time here and you should find someone else to wagon
In post 281, Irrelephant11 wrote:Vote me before shoshin, please - at least my role is negative utility
In post 283, Irrelephant11 wrote:honestly I think the moral of the story is shoshin/almostnancy/theworst should be the unbreakable townblock for the entire game
In post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
In post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser which of those three reads shouldn't be in the townblock?
In post 291, Irrelephant11 wrote:the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them
In post 299, Irrelephant11 wrote:-if you're still talking about scumreading shoshin, lynch me. When I flip town, you are not allowed to place another vote on shoshin. This is @ the entire playerlist.
In post 371, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town

This is my tin-foil hat suspicion:
In post 230, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh nvm he's town
I super like 109, 150, 175 for town!him, though his paranoia of me is interesting and I'm curious to see where it will go
What's the best way to pocket someone suspicious of you...? Town read them.


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Post Post #508 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:47 am

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In post 497, Irrelephant11 wrote:what if I told you I just have a lot of townreads and want all my townreads to townread me...
as town
I feel you should be more paranoid / town-cautious.

It's like you've thrown down a town block and you sit pretty within it (players also town reading you).

And then are a list of 4-5 players (probably me on the edge or dipping into it) in everyone's PoE right now. It doesnt feel right.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:14 am

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In post 519, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser, as for my self-meta-stuff, what would your reaction be if someone was like "well Keyser is always easily townread by everyone in every game, and that's not happening here, so he's scum"
Like?? mitillos literally scumcased me by using meta that was just patently untrue, I wanted the record set straight
Your above example is a logical fallacy against you so yeah, I wouldn't like it either.

(*NOTE: I didn't actually dive into the links to check the case)

Was Mitillo's case on you that black and white?
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Post Post #543 (isolation #27) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:16 am

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In post 538, the worst wrote:
In post 312, Keyser Söze wrote:Creature should be a null read for everyone right now.
:shifty:
I broke your rules
Has he done nothing alignment indicative at all?
I'm a few pages behind but saw his page top post... :shifty:

Are you saying he has expressed something demonstrably town for him?
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Post Post #545 (isolation #28) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:17 am

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In post 513, Nauci wrote:I've seen townrelephant exhibit these behaviors in every game I've seen townrelephant

He's infectiously cheerful to the point of paranoia driving pocketing as a personality
So you're sold he's outside his scum range here?
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Post Post #546 (isolation #29) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:18 am

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In post 540, Creature wrote:I personally feel like I used to obvtown more
Would you read yourself as town here?
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Post Post #553 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:22 am

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In post 534, Irrelephant11 wrote:If Keyser is right that I am TMI-ing the alignments of many townies, I am the most pro-town scummer that ever scummed :lol: :lol:
Obviously all the players who are being mass town read won't be all town.

This game wasn't solved in RVS.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:35 am

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In post 516, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser, I agree that it's very possible that the gamestate is indicative of 1-2 wolves collecting townreads they don't deserve. I don't understand either (1) why that's more likely me than anyone else or (2) why did I set up this sentence to have two parts, I don't think I have a second part
My narrative paints you as the instigator / master manipulator x


It looks like I'm the only one scum reading you... :shifty:



I will look at Performer next... the 'chosen' wagon
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Post Post #564 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:40 am

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One more bite...


In post 559, Shoshin wrote:
In post 545, Keyser Söze wrote:So you're sold he's outside his scum range here?
Irrelephant's response to my wagon should clear him. As scum, he'd express a townread on me but allow a wagon to unfold without working this hard to prevent a mislynch.

Based on my recent games with Irrelephant (TAZ, and the Schadd game you were in), Irrelephant knows that I'm mislynchable even in games where it seems like I'm the most widely townread player (TAZ) and that mislynches sometimes happen quickly without time for a town response (Carmen's lynch in Schadd's game). Knowing this, I doubt scum Irrelephant completely shuts down any possibilty of my mislynch when it's potentially picking up steam (I was the largest wagon when Irrelephant started defending me).
I didn't think your wagon was 'legit' though, it didn't have any of the 'town block' powering it. Only the nulls/low posters on it. Plus, Relly was already committed to a hard town read of you. He wasn't gonna step down from that and try to "shut down" your lynch.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:54 am

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In post 566, Shoshin wrote:
In post 564, Keyser Söze wrote:I didn't think your wagon was 'legit' though, it didn't have any of the 'town block' powering it. Only the nulls/low posters on it. Plus, Relly was already committed to a hard town read of you. He wasn't gonna step down from that and try to "shut down" your lynch.
The "town block" isn't majority of players. Plus NM quickhammers. This is precisely the kind of game where scum Irrelephant keeps options open in terms of allowing my lynch to happen while calling me town. I just don't see him going out of his way to defend me in the way he has as scum. What's he gain from it?
I still believe if he’d reversed on his 99% t/read on you that would have looked bad on scum!Relly (and I don’t think that’s my confirm bias speaking)

What’s he gain from it? Pocketed player. No disruption to his clique.

I t/read you, but not to the extent that Relly does *shrug*
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Post Post #575 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:00 pm

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In post 568, Varsoon wrote:Nauci's posts actually ping me really hard as scum and I don't have much reason besides 'gut'.
I'm sure a better player can make a better case there if Nauci is actually scum, though.
I have a Relly-Nauci scum theory, but I best save that... :giggle:
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Post Post #624 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:30 pm

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In post 616, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 611, Mitillos wrote:Did someone say math teacher?

@Nancy: I explained why teacher was more suspicious than xtoxm in the very post you quoted. His vote is without any reasons given, his post devoid of content except a weak and non-committal defense of Performer. That's even less effort than xtoxm had put into his posts.

@Varsoon: I claimed information. It got buried in my verbose style. Also, you should try to do something about that bitterness, quickly. Some of us have been explicitly asking for your own reads, and you insist on going on about how Shoshin is infallible. This is not helpful or relevant. Just because most of us are townreading both Irrelephant and Shoshin doesn't mean 1) we are automatically correct, 2) they are correct in their reads, or 3) we don't care about your reads. But you have to make the effort, and yes, show your work.
You prefer a teacher lynch instead? I’m not opposed to that. I would just prefer to see a few more posts of theirs. Also, I think Key claimed to have meta on teacher. @Key, help us out here. Based on that single post, how do you read teacher?
I think I may be mistaken... teacher joined April 2018 and just checked his topic list - I don’t think I have played with them... very strange.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:31 pm

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It’s half 1 here... will look at Performer, or fall to sleep.
In which case, night night x
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Post Post #689 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:56 pm

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In post 671, Nauci wrote:VOTE: Keyser Söze

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Bad vote Nauci

I may have to post my Nauci-Relly scum theory earlier than anticipated :giggle:
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Post Post #692 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:22 pm

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This feels good

VOTE: Nauci
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Post Post #695 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:30 am

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In post 693, Nauci wrote:Hey that's not a theory

Tricksy keyser
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Post Post #699 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:43 am

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In post 697, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 692, Keyser Söze wrote:This feels good

VOTE: Nauci
I won't try to dissuade anyone from voting anyone else, but I would very much appreciate a little explanation.

~TW :P
Will get round to it hopefully tonight.
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Post Post #700 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:51 am

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In post 698, Shoshin wrote:
In post 692, Keyser Söze wrote:This feels good

VOTE: Nauci
What're your thoughts on Xtom & Performer?
Not Xtom atm, I haven’t engaged him or studied their posts yet.

I did start looking at Performer earlier (was looking at my previous games with Performer (3 years ago :shifty:) where I incorrectly read him as scum:

- town-Performer’s tone is just scummy (he’s never gonna be a mass town read player)
- ‘opportunistic’ jumping on wagons (here on the early wagons on Mitillos and Shoshin)
- is not methodical (he asks questions, but does he follow up with chasing answers, and do they help him?)
- lacks charisma (his drive and ‘energy’ is low this game)


Thoughts? Does he look ‘bad’ as town or scum?

I feel a one on one in real time with Performer would help me read him better too.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:52 am

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May dig up my last game with Varsoon too (I was in a hydra with Frozen Angel)...
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Post Post #702 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:58 am

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In post 369, Xtoxm wrote:Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.
This post I can empathise with.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #44) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:47 am

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In post 922, Nauci wrote:
In post 913, Irrelephant11 wrote:I would like Nancy to stop towncasing herself now (if A50 is also doing that I would like that to stop as well)
Please and thank you <3

VOTE: Keyser
All of my thoughts on Keyser are based on his lack of posting—the grandstanding about having a wacky theory and never getting around to posting it.

I think that his alignment is only determinable with posts so I'm just throwing this one on the back burner for now.

What do you think of xtoxm's somewhat meatier new posts?
When I’m online I will. No ‘grandstanding’, and don’t expect an amazing ‘case’. You could be unaligned scum, I don’t know.

I’m away on business right now (not scummy business, RL business)

I would suggest you look elsewhere for today’s lynch Nauci x
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Post Post #1036 (isolation #45) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:08 am

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In post 1034, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser, join us
Back home now, so will be online after [something something another game].

Please no quick lynches.
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:43 am

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In post 922, Nauci wrote:the grandstanding about having a wacky theory and never getting around to posting it.
Doing this now - may need to update my thoughts from the last 10 pages too though.
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #47) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:16 am

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In post 689, Keyser Söze wrote: I may have to post my Nauci-Relly scum theory earlier than anticipated :giggle:
It may be 40 pages too late :shifty: , but this is where my early
Relly-Nauci scum team theory
came from:
In post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 180, Nauci wrote:I've got no read at all on Keyser since I'm recalibrating on him haha
+town for Nauci, unless they're partners
I saw this as scum-Relly connecting me to his scum-partner (i.e pre-flip association theory he can return to later).
In post 236, Irrelephant11 wrote:Nauci & Keyser leantown or partners, or maybe nauci is scum and keyser is town?
Again, further linking me with Nauci (it was especially irritating as I could not even see this web of associations through my minimal interactions with Nauci). IMO, the interactions between me and Nauci did not deserve all this association analysis, thus, very suspicious.
In post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter, keyser}
{nauci, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher, xtoxm} null
{mitillos, performer}
Relly had been quite hedgy on Nauci so far... I think the placement of Nauci (alongside Creature of all players) makes me feel this was a forced placement.
In post 362, Irrelephant11 wrote:also nauci not providing a read on me is maybe towny? I can't decide if it's AI
Still hedgy and not conclusive of how indicative it is of alignment.
In post 371, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter,
nauci
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keyser
, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher,
mitillos
} null
{performer,
xtoxm
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bolded the ones that moved
Somehow Nauci was now above me in his reads list - how did Nauci get here? You still didn't sound that confident previously (unless you can show me in your posts). Wasn't I supposed to be the townie between me and Nauci..? :shifty: Now I'm relegated alongside Creature :? I don't think the way Nauci magically moved up your readslist was genuine.
In post 389, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 382, Irrelephant11 wrote:xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you
maybe start with a vote on nauci, your strongest scumread
(Now this one is a bit more tin foil hat): I think you were doing the same thing to Xtoxm here - I feel like you were calling xtoxm out for NOT voting for his scum read (Nauci). In both cases I felt like you know what alignment Nauci was... and tying us together to Nauci.
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #48) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:24 am

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Now you must imagine that I've just replaced in and in catch up mode, as I want to go back to Tuesday night / Wednesday morning's pages.

This is where I 'lost touch' of the game.
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #49) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:05 am

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Don’t worry, I’m here but I need to put in alot of work over the weekend to catchup.
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #50) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:35 am

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UNVOTE: Nauci
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Post Post #1374 (isolation #51) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:08 am

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In post 1369, Nauci wrote:
In post 1313, Keyser Söze wrote:I saw this as scum-Relly connecting me to his scum-partner (i.e pre-flip association theory he can return to later).
What does this mean

Whose scum partner
You and Relly
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Post Post #1378 (isolation #52) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:18 am

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They were early game meditations:- I don’t know if it is now out-dated/laughable now, but they were real feels.

I’m wiping the slate clean right now and reading the thread
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Post Post #1382 (isolation #53) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:57 am

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I don’t know, but wasn’t town reading her before I disappeared.
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #54) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:05 pm

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Relly, stop name dropping me please.

Are you trying to sort me or put unnecessary empty pressure on me? You’re not helping me re-evaluate your slot either.

Let me read and post in the next 4 days. I won’t force out content for the sake of it. Then you can decide whether to lynch me. I’m already the lead wagon (I’m not hiding or avoiding the game) you don’t need to keep pushing me as ‘Keyer is scum lurking’, that just makes me turn off.

Surely there must be an active player to look at right now.

Thanks.
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #55) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:13 pm

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In post 1396, Creature wrote:Do we have time to pressure wagon me?
I think you are over confident scum who has found themselves in a comfort blacker of being town read.
I think you’ve shed easy town reads on the obvious names, while focusing on the players that the majority think look ‘bad’... the Performers... the xtoms.. mew... and now me when I became lead wagon:


Your “Okay, I'm getting why Keyser could be scum now” line is terrible. No you don’t.

I’ll dig up your whole ISO tomorrow. I bet it won’t show you taking the initiative in sorting someone first though. But limping onto to someone after the majority give it the green light.

I don’t buy it as town who doesn’t know who is who.
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Post Post #1403 (isolation #56) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:14 pm

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Comfort Blanket*
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Post Post #1415 (isolation #57) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:51 pm

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OK, going to step down from my Relly-Nauci aligned theory... [the new un-aligned feels more to do with Nauci's deep adoration posts about Relly (which is more likely pocketing or NAI than scum talking about their
partner
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Plus, I will accept Nauci's unwillingness to force out a read on Relly early D1 (
"I outright withhold judgement on Irrelephant11 for the time being"
) points to tentative-townie who doesn't want to jump into a read so easily with Relly.... due to their experience with him also.

So the aligned-team theory was probably all Relly's side of interactions... so I'm gonna drop that dead case now and look at them individually.
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #58) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:56 pm

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@Relly - I'm back home now and this game is top priority now: I'll probably be on every page for the rest of the game now.

'Over defensive' - ok, but that is one of my strengths.
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Post Post #1418 (isolation #59) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:59 pm

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In post 1416, Nauci wrote:This is such a weird post

Thus far your small collection of posts have been so weird I can't figure out what mindset would have come up with them

Inb4 3p :lol:
I'm town :cool:

I am curious if group scum would push me as 3rd party though ( :shifty: )
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #60) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:01 pm

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Relly, do you feel in anyway pocketed by Nauci? If you're town reading her, are those town feels attributed to all her actions/behaviour outside of her town reading you?

Does this make sense :giggle:
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #61) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:06 pm

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Btw I'm not going to deconstruct and analyse my own wagon, as I have been admittedly distant for the majority of the game (and as I'm usually in everybody's faces I will accept that I would look not very keyser-ish). I'm actually curious for the lack of votes my way right now :giggle:

PLus, Not mafia is gonna be Not Mafia (I'm just glad he was on my wagon early not late) :shifty:
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #62) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:13 pm

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In post 1424, AlmostNancy wrote:Do you really think if Nauci was scum, she wouldn’t be voting for you?
It'd probably be better for scum-Nauci to t/read me IMO. I'm not sure that's the right question to ask me here though about my suspicion of Nauci. Weird.
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #63) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:16 pm

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So are we saying the tone/over-confidence/sheep reads/self-voting are all outside Creature's scum game?

Someone needs to convince me here.
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Post Post #1437 (isolation #64) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:20 pm

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In post 1433, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 1431, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1424, AlmostNancy wrote:Do you really think if Nauci was scum, she wouldn’t be voting for you?
It'd probably be better for scum-Nauci to t/read me IMO. I'm not sure that's the right question to ask me here though about my suspicion of Nauci. Weird.
Why is it “weird”? You were the lead wagon?
I think scum-Nauci to OMGUS me and build a one vs one going into EOD1 would be risky. She knows how relentless I am. It would ultimately end in a reflex wagon/nightphase drama.

Do you think scum-Nauci in this scenario wanted me out the picture ASAP?
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #65) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:29 pm

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In post 1436, the worst wrote:
In post 1434, Keyser Söze wrote:So are we saying the tone/over-confidence/sheep reads/self-voting are all outside Creature's scum game?

Someone needs to convince me here.
viewtopic.php?t=76709&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Feast your eyes
Creature's best scum iso, don't read the whole thing if you don't want but just have a squizz
I don't know what I'm supposed to be seeing here. Bulletpoints would be helpful.

I would categorize their play as conventionally hard to read. I didn't understand the early town reads on him this game, and didn't like him opening up to the possibility of me being scum with no unique/progressive take on his own. I felt I was the go to wagon. I smelled opportunism.
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #66) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:31 pm

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Has creature this game came up with any fresh takes on players?
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #67) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:32 pm

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In post 1445, Irrelephant11 wrote:Creature and Keyser: fight! fight! fight!

@skitter I was thinking I should explore my Nauci read more for my own sake, so yeah I’ll do it out loud
Did you miss my question too?


I will rephrase it if it doesn’t make sense
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Post Post #1459 (isolation #68) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:38 pm

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@AlmostNancy - Ok, I may be sipping on OMGUS, but I can’t see Creature’s natural trajectory of how he got to ‘yeah I can see scum-Keyser too’ (he choice to not vote me is ???? too, did he realise the wagon looked bad?)

With a supposed care free spirit why NOT vote me there?
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Post Post #1466 (isolation #69) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:44 pm

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In post 1454, the worst wrote:
In post 1443, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1436, the worst wrote:
In post 1434, Keyser Söze wrote:So are we saying the tone/over-confidence/sheep reads/self-voting are all outside Creature's scum game?

Someone needs to convince me here.
viewtopic.php?t=76709&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Feast your eyes
Creature's best scum iso, don't read the whole thing if you don't want but just have a squizz
I don't know what I'm supposed to be seeing here. Bulletpoints would be helpful.

I would categorize their play as conventionally hard to read. I didn't understand the early town reads on him this game, and didn't like him opening up to the possibility of me being scum with no unique/progressive take on his own. I felt I was the go to wagon. I smelled opportunism.
Yeah okay that's not the worst. The first time I saw creature he was scum twice in a row, our third game together he was town and I was blown over by the depth of differences between his games. That has closed in a bit now but a lot of tells still apply

look for the way he forms townreads there (you're lacking context but hopefully it explains a little?) and the way he hops from wagon to wagon like he's testing what will work, and his tone is substantially more frozen

if you think he's scum here I probably want to be countercased before I'll consider it because I feel faaaairly good about that read
Thanks for this. Maybe I am surface scum reading his wagon ‘hopping’.

Ok, I’ll continue my catching up. The heavy defence of Creature makes me want to throw him into null anyway for D1 (as both town and scum are likely town casing him hard here).
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #70) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:45 pm

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Thanks Almost Nancy.
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Post Post #1496 (isolation #71) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:00 pm

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In post 1480, the worst wrote:
In post 1478, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1473, the worst wrote:I guess I'd like some Nauci goodness before EoD but I think she's the worst d1 lynch within my PoE
i don't really want to like lynch her today or anything but she just doesn't feel townie to me at all rn
Yeah this is exactly how I feel rn
Reading on: There is a chance of scum-Nauci laughing at my Relly-Nauci scum team theory and then adoring/defending/pocketing town-Relly here, correct?

Does this speak: tin foil, unsupported BS or mid-rep notions to you?
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #72) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:13 pm

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In post 1508, the worst wrote:
In post 1496, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1480, the worst wrote:
In post 1478, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1473, the worst wrote:I guess I'd like some Nauci goodness before EoD but I think she's the worst d1 lynch within my PoE
i don't really want to like lynch her today or anything but she just doesn't feel townie to me at all rn
Yeah this is exactly how I feel rn
Reading on: There is a chance of scum-Nauci laughing at my Relly-Nauci scum team theory and then adoring/defending/pocketing town-Relly here, correct?

Does this speak: tin foil, unsupported BS or mid-rep notions to you?
This speaks tinfoil to me but in a 'I had the same paranoid moment' kind of way
Book it.

At least I can say I was the first to put it down in writing :cool:
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Post Post #1525 (isolation #73) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:18 pm

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Still reading back:
In post 610, AlmostNancy wrote:VOTE: Xtoxm

Strikes me a possibly disgruntled scum, like Shoshin said, pissed at the townblock.
Interesting... Varsoon and I were frustrated/annoyed with the quick erection of the townblock too, what did you think about OUR reactions?
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #74) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:53 pm

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In post 1553, Nauci wrote:
In post 1549, Shoshin wrote:Not_Mafia feels town to me. I'd rather lynch Performer.
Why to both of those things

Performer got quiet again

P.S. can we all take a moment to appreciate how great it's been to have this many players in a game interacting in real time
I lit the fuse.
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #75) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:30 pm

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Cracking wallpost from Relly that makes me feel 60% better about Relly and 10% better about Nauci :giggle:
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #76) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:41 pm

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In post 1597, Nauci wrote:
In post 1591, the worst wrote:ellitell
A wot
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Post Post #1674 (isolation #77) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:58 am

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I will read Performer’s ISO next as I can remember thinking he was likely town :shifty:
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #78) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:25 pm

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Performer re-read


(Post #1 - #22):
In post 57, Performer wrote:
In post 18, Shoshin wrote:Hey Irrelephant, want to policy lynch Varsoon?
but! He has probably more large theme experience than any of us!
And he hasnt even posted yet
I think on the surface this looks LAMISTy from Performer but if you read it out in your head, I think the tone is more playful. I don't think scum-Performer would serious-defend Varsoon here in RVS (regardless of Varsoon's alignment). Posts like these echo my meta defense of Performer.
In post 252, Performer wrote:It's like people are actively making it hard for me to keep up in this game...sigh
I like these soliloquy type posts.
In post 277, Performer wrote:I dont like the way shoshin voted skitter, later voted me, then when vars came back to talk about shosh, shes still on me while saying votes on vars is good (sounds like setting up) , soon after she flies straight from me onto scatman without addressing posts. Makes me think, "coasting mafia. "
And her confidence in scatman being scum and saying he's doing a pointless debate - the posts from vars dont look like pointless debate, it actually looks like shoshin is just writing vars off as scum.
VOTE: Shoshin
I do not understand Performer's vote here. There is a narrative Performer has painted about Shoshin which I don't believe but it looks Performer believes. It's also quite a ballsy play for scum-Performer to vote Soshin who was already gaining town leans/reads.
In post 333, Performer wrote:
In post 329, Keyser Söze wrote:I actually have (old) playhistory with Creature, Performer,
that's so old and I was so (and probably still? lol) terrible
:giggle:
In post 488, Performer wrote:Also FoS on tw, I don’t even understand his vote on me .
Openly happy to OMGUS :shifty:
In post 489, Performer wrote:
In post 488, Performer wrote:Also FoS on
add irrel as well to FoS. In the game we were in, I don't remember him just naked voting like he did on me.
OMGUS again, this time on Relly.
Does Performer OMGUS as a defensive mechanism as scum or does Performer do this as town?
Performer is showing that he doesn't live by the conventional rulebook of how to react to a vote :? I think Performer as town or scum would have been concerned with Relly's naked vote.



Thoughts so far?

Would actually like Performer's thoughts too.
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #79) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:27 pm

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In post 1737, Mitillos wrote:@Nauci: Not necessarily. Another person in scumchat could have offhand said "That's an engineer" or something. That's not indicative of Irrel-Perf. I try to concentrate on personal tells rather than associative ones early on. In any case, in itself the engineer thing is not that big a deal; absent everything else I wouldn't even give it a second thought.
Can you explain the "engineer" part - I think I missed this?

Is it regarding flavour and Relly's claim?
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Post Post #1765 (isolation #80) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:03 pm

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In post 742, Performer wrote:@shos xtox has been forgettable, so have others, so I've had to reread his iso. Can go with an xtox vote.
VOTE: xtoxm
Performer casually puts xtoxm on L-1 - he doesn't even prepare a detailed supporting reason to vote xtoxm... just a generic sorting vote: careless play from scum-Performer? So far, I am leaning with 'townie-who-doesn't-care-what-he-looks-like'. Admittedly a possibility of single-scum too (with no partners).
In post 742, Performer wrote:
In post 700, Keyser Söze wrote:- town-Performer’s tone is just scummy (he’s never gonna be a mass town read player)
- ‘opportunistic’ jumping on wagons (here on the early wagons on Mitillos and Shoshin)
- is not methodical (he asks questions, but does he follow up with chasing answers, and do they help him?)
- lacks charisma (his drive and ‘energy’ is low this game)
I want to say I disagree with all of these :neutral:
Performer disagrees with my meta defense of him :giggle: Was I the only player to do so? Surprising move from Performer here.
In post 930, Performer wrote:I'm seriously starting to think creat is third party or scum. This naked tunneling just screams of agenda.
Interesting.. I think I had shared the same thoughts about Creature too (group scum vs 3rd party: I feel like Creature is working alone here).
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #81) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:11 pm

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In post 1733, Performer wrote:
In post 1725, Krazy wrote:Mitillos(37), Nauci(151), Not_Mafia(11), the worst(271), Mewtaph(18), Irrelephant11(117)
I would say I am townreading mitil & irrel is null for me , on the wagon.
Honestly don't understand how tw or nauci are voting me - was it tone & poe ?

Almost Nancy, Keyser, & Mitil are my townreads .
When you are back online and fully caught up from the weekend, I feel now is the time for you to provide 'articulate' supporting reasons for your reads now (especially on your t/reads on A.Nancy, myself and Mitil).
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #82) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:22 pm

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@Relly - what do you think of my posts on Performer?

I don't think I would lynch Performer today - what's your current take on him?
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Post Post #1775 (isolation #83) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:24 pm

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I'm also very conscious I'm not voting anyone right now... :shifty:
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #84) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:58 pm

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@Mit - I did like your observation about Performer:

“instantly switches his vote from Shoshin to Xtoxm, joining Shoshin, worst, Vars, and irrel (all four being players he has claimed suspicions on”

Sheeping your scum reads on the same wagon is very :shifty: :?:
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Post Post #1834 (isolation #85) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:57 pm

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In post 1778, Irrelephant11 wrote:@Almost - he shared an unpopular read on you & I’m interested to see it develop, given it seems you two have history
I expect him to share reads on all slots eventually, obviously
What’s the point of this line of questioning?

@Keyser - I got vague town feels from Performer’s recent posts, which is part of why I moved my vote. I think your reasons to townread him are fine. I’ve seen you defend both town and scum with that “TWTBAW” reasoning, so I’m unsure how much to townread Performer from it. His disagreeing with your meta defense of him was probably the most town-indicative in the wifom-y way
Yes I will hold my hands up and admit that I am still a prescriber to WIFOM fueled reads. It’s served me well though.
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Post Post #1836 (isolation #86) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:08 pm

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In post 1786, Performer wrote:
In post 1743, Keyser Söze wrote:Openly happy to OMGUS
Ok I think the plentiful OMGUS accusations , I think I need to clear the air on that since I do not do OMGUS ... but people keep saying I OMGUS.

anyone who votes me and find it fishy, I point it out with analysis. So , interestingly, people are saying it's OMGUS in this game , which is really, really bizarre ...
Mitil voted me for instance , and provided a case - I still townread him . I don't have enough tr in the list of 14 players, but it's not because I'm OMGUSing....OMGUS as in "oh they suspect me so I find them scummy no matter what and that's it" - it's really not that , that I am doing....

Sometimes it's someone's tone, sometime's it's a misrep, sometimes naked vote. If it's scummy I point it out, that's all there is to it. If it's townie, well, I might just move on or I might point it out. But whenever someone is posted about, I think they should point out that it's scummy if they think or feel that it's scummy. I mean, it's part of the game, and that's one of the ways I scumhunt :neutral:

Hope this helps.
Ok, I stand corrected, perhaps I was miss-using the ‘OMGUS’ label.

I will concede that the ‘pattern’ of you voting the people voting you could be based on not understanding their tone/reason for voting.

At first I thought if it was a defensive mechanism - but it actually could be your way to sort/confront (?)
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Post Post #1838 (isolation #87) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:21 pm

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In post 1793, Mitillos wrote:@Irrel: I know you rescinded it, but I'll still answer it: Because Performer is scummier to me. Also because Kokichi is getting on my nerves, whereas Performer is not. This means I can be unbiased about Performer, and just look at whether I think he is scum or town. I need to wait for more posts from Kokichi to determine if I'm just reacting to his posting style, because if so I need to reevaluate my read on him. As for Keyser's towncase of Performer, what is there to say? He identified some unusual aspects of Performer's posts and is considering them townie as opposed to scummy. I don't. If pressed, I'd say that Keyser didn't like that too many people were townreading each other early on, he saw them jump on the first Performer wagon and thought it suspicious, thus making Performer town in his eyes. This is all perfectly normal stuff, especially since Keyser is now looking back at Performer with fresh eyes.

@Skitter: Please provide the posts that townpinged you from Performer. If he is a mislynch, we need to know sooner rather than later.
This is a pretty good observational study of my progression on Performer (however, my town lean on Performer isn’t only limited to the nature of his quick/popular wagon).

Mitillos not scum reading/suspecting me for town-reading/opposing the wagon of his strongest scum read is interesting too: I think it is a good look for Mit (he is looking from MY perspective, through my eyes).



I didn’t understand the love for Mit (his informed ninja contribution is NAI for me), but his posts this past page put him above null for me now.
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #88) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:24 pm

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In post 1830, Xtoxm wrote:Mit - I didn't like his 2 recent posts, it felt like he was compiling a cases based on a collection of things that town can easily do. His text on performer pinged me in particular.
Interesting - which parts pinged you?
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #89) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:26 pm

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In post 1803, Nauci wrote:
In post 1743, Keyser Söze wrote:OMGUS again, this time on Relly.
Calling this one a misrep because he specifically said it was for naked voting, where the behavior is more important than the target

Not necessarily a malicious one though
Yup, I’ve clarified my miss-use of the term OMGUS.
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #90) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:36 pm

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(I don’t see scum-Soshin but I am secretly happy about your paranoia on Relly).
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:06 am

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In post 2003, Nauci wrote:TW, Shoshin, Varsoon, Mitillos, Keyser, Irrelephant, Nancy: can y'all post up-to-date full read lists?
On it now.
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #92) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:08 am

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Currently wondering about my town-lean on Mit... possibly premature there... May relegate him back down to null-green (suspicion: pocketing. I took a step back at his ISO, and I feel his ‘movements’ have been ‘too measured’... maybe too controlled?)
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #93) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:09 am

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In post 2084, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: the worst

GG
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Post Post #2089 (isolation #94) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:55 am

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I think Nauci achieved upper town status with Post 2044.

I think this is the first time this game I’ve seen vintage-town-Nauci.
- townie ramblings (I feel until then she was holding back(?), or we were witnesssing a Nauci impersonator), but now she provides a content-driven push to directly move our focus. Instead of adding snippets on the players already in the spotlight (including me which I didn’t like).
- I like that her paranoia on Relly has only come into fruition NOW, and when I was pushing Relly as scum and them as scum-partners (which I concede looks unlikely now) I feel like scum-Nauci may have felt the urgency to talk about Relly sooner. Instead Nauci kept saying: ‘I’m going to leave Relly for now”... (not what you call classic distancing)
- nauci also probably taps into my fear about Skitter too here: (he has been one of the most pro-active players, but somehow he’s not a cemented/strong read as a Soshin/TW town read. Perhaps the ‘tone’ (?) I’m not fully believing
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #95) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:58 am

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This post surprised me:
In post 2046, AlmostNancy wrote:But seriously tw, you know I adore you but if you honestly don’t think you have the proper timr to sort slots in this game, perhaps you should either hydra with someone or even consider replacing out. Your reads and votes, have an important effect in the game and it honestly isn’t fair to the rest of the playerbase, if you’re just too swamped, stressed out and busy to pay proper attention to the game until late December. :/
I don’t like this from AlmostNancy :?

Just gut-read it as scum talking to town.
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #96) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:16 am

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I have been thinking about your PGO claim too:- it makes more sense as coming from town, as it only works in your favour as scum on the short term, not longterm (long term you wouldn’t escape a policy lynch debate). I don’t see it as a fake claim for a one shot unlynchable scum either. You’d basically be banking on everyone town reading you...
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #97) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:24 am

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In post 2092, Nauci wrote:
In post 2089, Keyser Söze wrote:(I feel until then she was holding back(?), or we were witnesssing a Nauci impersonator),
I think you should take my words at face value that I've been burned out and trying to get away from the wall posting stuff. Yesterday was the first time I cracked open my laptop for anything at all. It should be easy to read me this game because I've been interacting in real time excessively; it's a lazy approach to continue to only see me as town when I perfectly simulate my meta, instead of for my actual thoughts and point of view which have been transparent as air all game.
Partly agree. I have tried to read you outside of high-effort Nauci (but obviously my history is restricted to those few games with you, which I think should play a role here)

It wasn’t the question of effort for me anyway, but the excitement and paranoia in that post from you that promoted you to ‘upper town’.

Don’t worry you’re still not my top town read :twisted:
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Post Post #2099 (isolation #98) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:59 am

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Interesting...
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Post Post #2438 (isolation #99) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:38 pm

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In post 2403, Kokichi Oma wrote:I may fake claim all the time, but I'm not a liar....
Hi Koki, have you ever played a game with an IC/D2 IC in it before?
Also, are you strongly against character/flavour claiming? Y/N answer is acceptable.
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Post Post #2439 (isolation #100) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:45 pm

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In post 2436, Not_Mafia wrote:the worst and Vidal Sassoon are scum
Having no strong scum reads, I think who I end up voting for today will be based on who I ‘town read the least’ (versus a no lynch).
You are in my PoE right now: somewhere down the line you will need to articulate your scum reads/suspicions with some audible noises. Not asking for an essay.

Why The Worst and Varsoon?
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Post Post #2441 (isolation #101) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:02 am

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In post 2440, the worst wrote:Who exactly is your PoE lovely?
I don’t think we lynch the claimed IC today unfortunately (their behaviour since their claim has actually been the time I’ve started to suspect them).

Here’s my current PoE:

NULLISH GREEN :? : Mit, Mew, Skitter

NULL: Creature, N_M
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Post Post #2442 (isolation #102) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:04 am

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I don’t feel confident lynching any of them.
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Post Post #2444 (isolation #103) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:14 am

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If pushed shoot N_M, then lynch Mit.
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Post Post #2446 (isolation #104) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:23 am

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I’m wondering if playstyle is getting in the way of getting a stronger read on N_M.

He’s not unlynchable in any way or form though. I.e he doesn’t get a free pass to LYLO. Those playstyles are easy to imitate and we’ll never get a true hold on his motivations.

Players have defended Creature in more ‘stronger’ ways.
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Post Post #2447 (isolation #105) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:26 am

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Mit I’ve struggled with.

Will ISO further Mit, skitter and Mew today.


How would you rank those 3 players?
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Post Post #2449 (isolation #106) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:40 am

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I don’t want to post a full reads list right now :cool:
I think you can find my stronger/top town reads and town leans in my ISO though.

Want to concentrate on sorting my lower nullish reads.


Please rank those 3 players.
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Post Post #2459 (isolation #107) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:29 am

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End of D2? Before the D2 lynch or after?
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Post Post #2567 (isolation #108) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:56 pm

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Didn’t expect Relly and Creature to die... but think their deaths help out our PoE.
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Post Post #2574 (isolation #109) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:02 pm

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I wouldn’t jump on Performer so quick.

Yes, he deserves scrutiny for the hammer-without-roleclaim, but no quicklynch please.

Im actually more curious to look at the people ‘hard’ town reading NM yesterday instead.
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Post Post #2576 (isolation #110) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:03 pm

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In post 2568, Shoshin wrote:
In post 2567, Keyser Söze wrote:Didn’t expect Relly and Creature to die... but think their deaths help out our PoE.
No, they don't.
Well... Creature wasn’t in my personal town pile .
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Post Post #2603 (isolation #111) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:15 pm

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In post 2591, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2574, Keyser Söze wrote:I wouldn’t jump on Performer so quick.

Yes, he deserves scrutiny for the hammer-without-roleclaim, but no quicklynch please.

Im actually more curious to look at the people ‘hard’ town reading NM yesterday instead.
Scummy post
“Scummy”?
No.

Rational post. People need to not lose their shit. Let’s read and digest.
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Post Post #2605 (isolation #112) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:20 pm

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In post 2593, Kokichi Oma wrote:Post is scummy cause no one was going to quick lynch him. Post seems forced
“Forced”? You overlooked the message of my post and concentrated on the quicklynch part.

Congratulations.
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #113) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:39 pm

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In post 2611, Shoshin wrote:Key, you sort of flew under the radar in D1. Who are your top townreads/scumreads at the moment?
You and Soshin are my ‘top’ tier town reads. Nauci strong town lean.

I don’t like Nancy’s push on you and TW today.

I don’t like koki’s change of tone either: where has Mr Badass gone? We’ll find out tonight what he’s actually made of.
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Post Post #2831 (isolation #114) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:52 pm

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In post 2813, Kokichi Oma wrote:Just don't shoot me if you're a vig if it doesn't show me as IC right away N2. But, yes I will be clear, don't worry.
Why is your claim constantly changing? :?
Surely you should know your role pm inside out by now and clarified with the mod straight away the ‘details’ (especially the timing as it’s pretty crucial).
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Post Post #2833 (isolation #115) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:10 pm

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In post 2735, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 2726, Nauci wrote:Skitter, shoshin, tw, mitillos: let's talk about Keyser

Also, AN: how much experience do you guys have with Keyser?
Me, none but I just ISO’d him and he was heavily scumreading both Irrelephant11 and Creature fwiw.
FTR: I came round as probtown on Relly the second half of D1...

RE: Creature: I didn’t like all the strong town reads of Creature, but in no way was I actively “heavily scumreading him”.
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Post Post #2835 (isolation #116) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:39 pm

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No tinfoil since yesterday, she blossomed into a town lean yesterday.

I can kinda understand her FoS/paranoia on my level of output (but there is enough in my ISO to be nowhere near L-1 today) :cool:
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Post Post #2836 (isolation #117) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:41 pm

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In post 2774, AlmostNancy wrote:Hardclaim: We are indeed an “informed townie” but the only thing we are actually informed about is that one person in the game, has a specific flavour. We have no idea who though, only that it exists.
Does this flavour give any clue if this player is town/groupscum/3rd party?
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Post Post #2837 (isolation #118) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:46 pm

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In post 2789, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 2787, skitter30 wrote:claiming informed townie should make me want to townread you because ...?

honestly the way a50 claimed it (popping in, claiming, having very little actual content accompanying it) is kinda scummy for him
But I explained what it actually is. If I reveal the specific flavour, than scum could fakeclaim it but that flavour does exist in the game and I may even have a possible idea who it could be but I don’t want to say, until one person actually claims it or it flips.
“Scum could fakeclaim it”?
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Post Post #3057 (isolation #119) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:23 pm

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@Shoshin - this hasn’t been a game where I feel I can confidently air a town bloc.

Even you who is in my top town tier, could be solo scum even though I don’t think you’re group scum. I think I prefer playing a classic town vs group scum in an open set up.

The guys who I want dead: Mit, Koki & Mew, I wouldn’t bank on being a gamesolve, but I feel like there is scum in here.

Regarding my low activity and lack of aggressive bite - that is fair. But please accept it as non-alignment indicative this game.

Regarding ‘not town reading town’ - I did think my previous hard scumread of Relly, Nauci, and distrust of Creature was justified :cool: I will never sheep a town bloc which I think is unsupported/naive. That’s not me.
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Post Post #3061 (isolation #120) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:35 pm

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In post 3047, Shoshin wrote:3. He's been speculating about third party or "solo scum" more than feels natural for town. For example, rather than push on Creature as mafia, he pushes Creature as "third party." When he says that Performer's "probably town," he notes that Performer "could be solo scum." It feels like Key's looking for third party rather than mafia, which suggests he's operating from an informed perspective about who the mafia are. While town sometimes look for third party, or think a player looks like third party, it's rare that town start speculating about multiple players as third party while calling those players "probably town.".
I have been hunting group scum/mafia Shoshin.

But many actions, I.e if we look at Performer I don’t see as group scum: the early quickhammer, the ease of his wagon today (I personally like his claim as town, a bulletproof in this setup in rational because of the many killing powers (groupmafia, vig? other scum) plus the linking of him and Relly’s death is lazy, I could see why groupscum would want him out the picture today.

Plus, there is a real fear that Koki desperately wanted to get to N2 to perform their even night scum power: I am fearing 3 deaths tonight.
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Post Post #3062 (isolation #121) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:36 pm

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Nauci :/

That vote is bad.

Please unvote.
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Post Post #3063 (isolation #122) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:40 pm

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I won’t be online now for 8 hours.

Do NOT take me not having strong reads as scum alignment indicative.
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Post Post #3064 (isolation #123) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:51 pm

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In post 3057, Keyser Söze wrote:The guys who I want dead: Mit, Koki & Mew, I wouldn’t bank on being a gamesolve, but I feel like there is scum in here.
...and Skitter is a town lean read I feel dirty about. They are actually a green read I would actually lynch today if that makes sense.
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Post Post #3066 (isolation #124) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:05 pm

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I don’t think so. I liked your angle of entry and your consistent ‘grind’. I want you alive today.
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Post Post #3100 (isolation #125) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:40 am

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Guys please unvote, I’m an informed town gunsmith.
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Post Post #3111 (isolation #126) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:08 am

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In post 3110, the worst wrote:acrually it might be smart for you to confirm the flavour you know about as that might help with holistic setup solv9ng or when massclaim stuff goes down it will probably help

You know
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Post Post #3113 (isolation #127) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:10 am

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Not yet - I know there is a third party who can’t win with town.
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Post Post #3119 (isolation #128) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:30 am

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In post 3114, the worst wrote:yeah okay thar makes sense.. any reason you didn't outright claim this earlier? do you know anything else?
I don’t know, I don’t think it was game critical to reveal but was hoping to hunt them early.
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Post Post #3122 (isolation #129) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:34 am

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In post 3117, Xtoxm wrote:Key N1 result? Are you odd/even night or full power?
I checked Creature.

Odd night.
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Post Post #3133 (isolation #130) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:47 am

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In post 3125, the worst wrote:
In post 3122, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 3117, Xtoxm wrote:Key N1 result? Are you odd/even night or full power?
I checked Creature.

Odd night.
why did you check Creature?
I couldn’t understand all the town reads on him on D1 so thought it was the best investigation. I thought he was scum who had snuggled into the townbloc.
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Post Post #3227 (isolation #131) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:29 am

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In post 3212, Nauci wrote:
In post 3199, the worst wrote:I don't disbelieve Keyser's claim for a second I'm just not sure it's a town claim....
Yeah...

Hey Keyser what's your flavor
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Post Post #3232 (isolation #132) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:53 am

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In post 3195, Shoshin wrote:Key, what're your current reads?
Something like this:

Soshin
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Performer
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I probably wouldn’t lynch anyone above here today————-

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Post Post #3233 (isolation #133) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:53 am

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I think I’m going to consolidate/explain my feelings on Mew and Skitter next.
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Post Post #3234 (isolation #134) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:55 am

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In post 3230, Shoshin wrote:So, just to make sure I understand, Key is told if someone has a gun? If they do, they're a town killing role or mafia? And if they don't, they're a town pr or third party?
Yes, I check them and simply learn if they have a gun.
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Post Post #3238 (isolation #135) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:59 am

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Yup, Creature, my target has a gun.
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Post Post #3240 (isolation #136) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:18 am

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I thought the posts he was being t/read for were NAI: the tin foil translated to ‘smug scum’. With the hard defences for him he ended D1 as a slot I wanted more info on.
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Post Post #3242 (isolation #137) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:30 am

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Quote what mate?
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Post Post #3244 (isolation #138) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:10 am

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“Shaky?”
It’s the truth.

1. I don’t think I’ve been “scummy”, perhaps disappointing or underwhelming but not scummy.
2. It’s Krazy’s game. Take it up with him.
3. Nothing to do with me or my alignment.
4. I don’t care Varsoon. Again has nothing to do with my alignment this game.
5. I didn’t expect him to be Nk’d. He was in my immediate PoE to investigate.
6. Scum-me would have fakeclaimed a result instead of being connected to a dead townie.
7. I’ll quote the posts later, and my trajectories. But all this post-evaluation is pointless. It’s meaningless work. Do you really want to dig up D1 and tell you all my detailed thought processes why I investigated a flipped townie?
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Post Post #3251 (isolation #139) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:40 am

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koki, are you even an IC?
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Post Post #3252 (isolation #140) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:40 am

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And when did you even start scum reading me?
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Post Post #3253 (isolation #141) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:44 am

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You naked voted me after Nauci had voted me, and Mew had received a vote too.

I call bullshit.



I actually want to concentrate on Mew and Koki now.
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Post Post #3254 (isolation #142) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:48 am

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In post 3246, Varsoon wrote:Nah, I just kinda want you to flip red.
:/
Well me talking about Creature isn’t going to help you sort me :shifty:
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Post Post #3256 (isolation #143) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:07 am

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At least you are interested in unpacking my reads and night action.

Koki just wants empty pressure on me and a quick lynch. Not good koki.
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Post Post #3368 (isolation #144) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:41 pm

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In post 3320, Mewtaph wrote:If I claim then someone else can confirm my claim but that will probably force them to imply the nature of their full role. So that's why I omitted my role.

I am currently aware that one player is straight up lying about their claimed role.
You should have revealed this earlier. My roleclaim was unnecessary. If you know someone is lying we lynch between them and you.

FTR: you should have pushed harder on them. Because right now this late relevation looks survivalist.
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Post Post #3370 (isolation #145) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:47 pm

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If I knew someone was lying I would be trying to hang them with all my strength and passion.

Why does town-Mew leave it til now?
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Post Post #3381 (isolation #146) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:14 pm

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@Nauci, if you think someone scum and lying you push them.

If you think/know they are a town PR you don’t mention it at all.
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Post Post #3390 (isolation #147) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:22 pm

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In post 3385, Nauci wrote:
In post 3381, Keyser Söze wrote:@Nauci, if you think someone scum and lying you push them.

If you think/know they are a town PR you don’t mention it at all.
Considering the context of the weirdness that has happened thus far and the combination of posts that mew has made I find this reductive post to be misrepresenting the situation, possibly maliciously.
Reductive but the truth.

I.e the narrative of scum-Mew knowing a certain player is lying... but only now revealing it looks more realistic.

If town-Mew thought revealing something is anti-town.. I feel they would stay quiet about it.
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Post Post #3396 (isolation #148) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:28 pm

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In post 3394, the worst wrote:@Keys the issue I have with the way you're presenting Mewtaph is I kinda feel like you're reading malice into his actions rather than approaching from a place of curiosity/intrigue and trying to discern his intentions if that makes sense

I agree on principle with most of what you're saying but if your claim is true and you have nothing to hide why preempt the attack on Mewt?
Read my posts again.

I’ve already presented the town-Mew-keeps-his-mouth shut universe.
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Post Post #3397 (isolation #149) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:28 pm

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In post 3392, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 3390, Keyser Söze wrote:If town-Mew thought revealing something is anti-town.. I feel they would stay quiet about it.
I am staying quiet about it. :neutral:
So you think it is anti-town to reveal?
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Post Post #3912 (isolation #150) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:12 pm

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I was town guys and girls
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Post Post #3922 (isolation #151) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:31 pm

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In post 3917, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 3912, Keyser Söze wrote:I was town guys and girls
gonna vote this game or you sitting this one out?
I will probably vote Mew.

Would Mew vote me though? This is interesting.

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Post Post #3926 (isolation #152) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:36 pm

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@Nauci - you wont see classic-keyser this gsme unfortunately. If Mew/koki/Mit flip scum, maybe so...
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Post Post #4068 (isolation #153) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:50 pm

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In post 4025, Mewtaph wrote:I wanna go with Performer or Keyser out of what's been offered.

Feels like it's more likely to be right on Keyser.
If Keyser is town, then it's mechanically better to take a lynch at Performer instead (and also I can't be bothered dealing with the backlash of "omg we have no town PRs now" if that is the case which is just an exhausting sentiment to read.

I think that Performer's read progression on me has been hedgy, I thought that his followup on me voting Creature D1 was unmotivated, looking at this specific sequence of posts (, ), which I thought was an odd response to someone voting your scum read that you think everyone else isn't catching. I'm not 100% sold on it but at the same time he hasn't been that cooperative with giving any indication wrt post-N1-Creature thoughts, but he may have just been adjusting to a scum read of me. Mechanically lynching a 1-shot bulletproof is probably better than an odd-night gunsmith, which is why the early role claim of 1-shot BP annoyed me if coming from town. Honestly I've been pretty wish washy with him, but like I know that the way Performer thinks about things will lead to a scum read on me so I'm not going to say go.

I feel like Keyser has purposefully approached my information in a malicious way that I don't feel good about at all. Like they're holding onto their scum chip of me unless I out my information. Feels like they're already angling to discredit whatever I come out with, in a way that doesn't feel natural. His read progression on me has felt traditionally scum-esque - pop in with an early townread while avoiding direct engagement then letting it progress into a scumread as everyone else looks towards me. I think he's "testing" my read of him (, , ) () in a way that feels like he's trying to get a feel of the plays he can try to make dependent on what my info actually is.
I knew you would end up scum reading me :giggle:

“approached my information in a malicious way” - your intentions were either protown or anti-town/scummy Mew. My approach was not malicious. I could not rationalize your behavioir vs the information you have that someone is lying about their role. If you had reasons to t/read that player (or have reasons to think he was withholding info)you should have just shut up. I felt your approach/motivation was out of pure survival/misdirection. Please acknowledge this.

“avoiding direct engagement” - I havent had any aggressive engagment with anyone this game. (Perhaps only my hard s/read of Relly on D1). Why do you think you’re special? Plus communication is two way. I feel like only TW and Nauci have consistently tried to prod me. Even you have felt like you haven’t communicated with the right players this game, so please don’t project that on me.

“letting it progress into a scumread” - if you’re town, take a look at your play and tone. Would you t/read yourself? :shifty: even if I don’t hard scum read you, you’re in the bottom pile of my PoE. I may not have shouted about my reads this game but I’ve been pretty clear on who I want focus on and who I find suspicious. Thus I find your ‘His read progression on me is scummy’ line generic and lazy.

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Post Post #4327 (isolation #154) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:23 am

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Merry Xmas everyone!

In post 4250, Kokichi Oma wrote:i'm an IC hard claiming. so explain now.
Please can you flavour/roleclaim now.

The Worst shouldn’t soft/roleclaim before this happens
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Post Post #4328 (isolation #155) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:32 am

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In post 4275, Nauci wrote:VOTE: Keyser Söze
In post 4277, the worst wrote:...........which is why zerg would fakeclaim gunsmith :facepalm:
VOTE: Keyser

@Kokichi, you are still fullclaiming in your next post.
Can you unvote guys, we resolve Koki first.
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Post Post #4359 (isolation #156) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:53 am

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In post 4282, Mitillos wrote:Hello, everyone.

VOTE: Kokichi

First he's an IC, then he's a D2 IC, then he's an N2 IC, then he's an N2 IC who might not show up immediately on N2, then he's still not confirmed on D3. This shit ends here.
This. No more shit.

I view Kokis play as selfish and self-preserving (something I wouldn’t associate with TOWN)
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Post Post #4380 (isolation #157) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:26 am

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In post 4371, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4368, the worst wrote:we should probably EOD Nauci's claim until after Kokichi, at least
I don’t like how Keyser is just completely ignoring our concerns with his bogus role and trying to move the focus off of him onto Kokichi. If he was town here, he would be trying to explain his REAL role, not pull a bait and switch.
I haven’t “ignored” them, and I have noted who is overlooking Koki here.
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Post Post #4381 (isolation #158) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:28 am

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In post 4378, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4372, the worst wrote:
In post 4371, AlmostNancy wrote:
In post 4368, the worst wrote:we should probably EOD Nauci's claim until after Kokichi, at least
I don’t like how Keyser is just completely ignoring our concerns with his bogus role and trying to move the focus off of him onto Kokichi. If he was town here, he would be trying to explain his REAL role, not pull a bait and switch.
i don't disagree with this at all
I want to hear Kokichi’s claim before we hammer but it seems pretty evident that Keyser’s reaction was a scumclaim. Asking us to unvote him, focussing only on Kokichi - nothing about that remotely reads townie to me. I think we may finally be getting our first scum lynch.

We should have lynched him yesterday. I just didn’t really understand the setup. :facepalm:
If you don’t understand my plea to unvote then you are underestimating the number of scum right now who can quickhammer for the win.

We only VOTE when we have the full picture.
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Post Post #4386 (isolation #159) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:53 am

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:lol:

I want to hear from our “INNOCENT CHILD” before I answer your question :twisted:
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Post Post #4414 (isolation #160) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:10 am

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we've been manipulated by scum long enough. This is getting rediculous guys.

VOTE: kokichi
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Post Post #4415 (isolation #161) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:10 am

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Post Post #4887 (isolation #162) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:41 pm

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@Mitillos
Are you the witch?
There are 3 Zerg left, we can win together.
If you don't out yourself, you'll probably be lynched.
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Post Post #4952 (isolation #163) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:35 pm

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My gambit went terribly wrong, sorry guys!
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Post Post #4954 (isolation #164) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:35 pm

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I am town though, and probably lost us the game.
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Post Post #4960 (isolation #165) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:40 pm

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@Shoshin
I still think it's antitown for you to claim your ability. But could you claim your targets please?

I need to complete the picture in my head. TODAY
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Post Post #4961 (isolation #166) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:42 pm

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In post 4953, the worst wrote:What gambit?
@TW
I will explain all in good time but suggest no one voting right now.
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Post Post #4965 (isolation #167) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:46 pm

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In post 4956, Shoshin wrote:Let's test if Key is town.

VOTE: Performer
If you’re town I hope you unvote this same page.
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Post Post #5000 (isolation #168) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:21 pm

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VOTE: Performer
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Post Post #5002 (isolation #169) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:25 pm

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Post Post #5163 (isolation #170) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:31 pm

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I’m the last townie.

I think I’m ready to explain my gambit.

VOTE: No lynch
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Post Post #5175 (isolation #171) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:34 pm

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I need the mod to answer my question regarding my role pm.

I think town can’t lose here if I’ve played my cards right.
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Post Post #5177 (isolation #172) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:36 pm

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Please can we unvote.

These quick hammers are hurting us.
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Post Post #5181 (isolation #173) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:37 pm

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UNVOTE: unvote

Let’s think about this.
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Post Post #5352 (isolation #174) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:01 am

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Congrats Zerg!
When I rolled scum in this playerlist I did shed a tear, but working with TW and Performer was great. TW truly was the MVP here, orchestrating the main plays, manipulating town and that final masterwork of making sure Nancy blocked Vars, guaranteeing our NK for the win. Plus the decision to rolecop Soshin was crucial too (finding out she was a killing 3P and that we wouldn’t be able to NK her).

Even in our scum PT, TW was a driving force (we were still scum hunting... our PT felt like a masonry). It was great to work through our setup theories and survival tactics with Performer too.

My actual scum performance here was admittedly weak and underwhelming (I was overgamed and never truly ‘connected’ with the game), but I still had an important role in achieving misslynches, stopping my scum partners in getting lynched and completing night actions to help win the game. I shouldn’t have been left standing as one of the final two players!

The orgasmic group excitement of that quickhammer on Koki was amazing, and their flip sent our team into ecstasy.

Thanks Krazy for a wonderfully entertaining game! I did think the game was balanced: town just needed to push through the lynches on obv-scum. I think TW would have lone-wolfed ftw anyway though.
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Post Post #5359 (isolation #175) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:13 am

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Sorry, congrats Mit too!
(It would have been fun if you’d teamed up, but can understand your paranoia).
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