You’ve made a hole in my heart
But you just filled it up again xIn post 12, the worst wrote:yea that's right Rel you leave my lover alone
(Phoneposting but full charged and ready to begin this great journey.)
You’ve made a hole in my heart
But you just filled it up again xIn post 12, the worst wrote:yea that's right Rel you leave my lover alone
Lots of early town reads from TW and Relly but I like Shoshin’s the most here.In post 27, Shoshin wrote:Irrelephant's town, too.
C'mon the worst, these are obvious things. Mitillos was getting discussion started with a fair question to Irrelephant, how is that scummy?
Again, calling out a change of vote so early just feels too... It’s page one/RVS players aren’t going to have deep/meaningful reasons in changing their vote.In post 32, skitter30 wrote:why'd you switch your vote here?
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21 was kinda townie for you; not sure if this is a real claim or notIn post 22, Creature wrote:I'm survivor, don't kill me
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you also feel low-key townie for you tbh
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i think mtilos' post was low-key townie but super super super weakly and it's the kind of thing i imagine is not too hard for scum to fake + asking why irrel switched votes is like an easy place for scum (and town!) to start the game so overall i don't think it's super ai if that makes sense
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what are you liking about him thus far?In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:the worst is town,
As in scum-TW wouldn’t want town-Shoshin on his back? So TW doing the opposite of this is “towny”?In post 34, Irrelephant11 wrote:the worst "agreeing to disagree" with shoshin was towny
A bit overworded here with a hint of reachingIn post 42, skitter30 wrote:gut
trying to articulate - for making the game semi-serious in rvs by starting to ask questions and ask for people's reasoning/intent instead of just making a hello/joke/entry post
again not impossible for scum to fake or anything but on balance i think it's a townie rvs post
What is wrong with vibe/gut/low supported suspicion right now?In post 54, the worst wrote:I'm not gonna fight a skitter wagon at this juncture but is there like.. anything tangible or mostly vibes?
@Shoshin - Ok, this admittedly is a quirky reason to t/read someone (both in Nauci’s case and Skitters)In post 99, skitter30 wrote:In post 92, Shoshin wrote:Why are you town on Nauci?In post 84, skitter30 wrote:town enough for page 4: mtilos, irrel, creature, nauci, shoshinfeels townie to me; if that's what she thought her paranoia gutpinging makes sense; it's a weird thing for scum to make upIn post 81, Nauci wrote:I'm not ready to be tryhard lol I just wanted to banter a tad
I thought skitter30 would be more bantery like tw me and rel
Felt like you were open but opposed. A strange contradiction.In post 122, the worst wrote:I found it interesting I had such different gutpings from my town reads tbh. I feel like I'm very gradually getting better at reading skitter. did I give off the impression I was against them gutscumreading her?
I wasn’t feeling eeeeeevil enoughIn post 161, Nauci wrote:Keyser you never picked an avatar for me
Ok yours, Shoshin’s and Skitter’s own defence tells me I’m probably on the wrong path here... the over-articulation of a gut read is actually helpful... ‘babbling’ she is not.In post 152, AlmostNancy wrote:Trust me, skitter can talk much sometimes. The question is whether she's providing genuine content or just babbling. I say she's Town here.In post 150, Keyser Söze wrote:@skitter - you having a gut town read wasn’t my problem.
I think it was the over-explaination of the gut read (that I thought had undertones of sheeping Shoshin’s reason)
I.e over-justification
Sneak peak: I had a feeling you were buddying/pocketing on the sly in your entrance. I’ll need to read your subsequent recent posts.In post 230, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh nvm he's town
I super like 109, 150, 175 for town!him, though his paranoia of me is interesting and I'm curious to see where it will go
Even this oneIn post 283, Irrelephant11 wrote:honestly I think the moral of the story is shoshin/almostnancy/theworst should be the unbreakable townblock for the entire game
It wasn’t about me scum reading anyone in your town block... it was me disliking you throwing that town block together so soon (and potentially trying to pocket those 3 players).In post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter, keyser}
{nauci, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher, xtoxm} null
{mitillos, performer}
pedit: I do not think mitillos should be in the unbreakable townblock, no.
Keyser which of those three reads shouldn't be in the townblock? Or why is that post more likely to come from scum!me than town!me. I can't think of a reason for you to dislike that post.
I don’t think he’s done anything so far that scum-Creature couldn’t easily replicate (that’s not me saying I’m an expect on Creature scum-meta)In post 315, Shoshin wrote:I thought the humor in his posts around 250 were townish.In post 312, Keyser Söze wrote:Creature should be a null read for everyone right now.
In post 23, Irrelephant11 wrote:Creature is town
In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:the worst is town, shoshin is town
skitter is more likely town than not
creature is probtown unless his claim is real, in which case lol
In post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:Because she's obvtown
In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:shoshin your point is fair but now who do I wagon
In post 30, Irrelephant11 wrote:mitillos if you haven't figured it out I like wagons
In post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:So the scum game you found, I started the game as a lone Mafioso. I was later recruited by RCEnigma, so my unvote of him at the start of the game was uninformed (as uninformed as I am here) and not partner-indicative. Regardless, this is literally "I am cherry picking three of your games (excluding a bunch of them for no discernible reason - why would I play significantly different as IC, for example?) and you did this one thing as scum one time and you're doing it here; therefore, scum." Oh wait, also "an OMGUS vote". Do you believe in this read? You haven't tried to sell anyone on it. Are you just happy to feel like you can justify voting me, or?
In post 225, Irrelephant11 wrote:but I am here to say that Shoshin is scum .01% of the time here and you should find someone else to wagon
In post 281, Irrelephant11 wrote:Vote me before shoshin, please - at least my role is negative utility
In post 283, Irrelephant11 wrote:honestly I think the moral of the story is shoshin/almostnancy/theworst should be the unbreakable townblock for the entire game
In post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
In post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser which of those three reads shouldn't be in the townblock?
In post 291, Irrelephant11 wrote:the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them
In post 299, Irrelephant11 wrote:-if you're still talking about scumreading shoshin, lynch me. When I flip town, you are not allowed to place another vote on shoshin. This is @ the entire playerlist.
In post 371, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
What's the best way to pocket someone suspicious of you...? Town read them.In post 230, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh nvm he's town
I super like 109, 150, 175 for town!him, though his paranoia of me is interesting and I'm curious to see where it will go
I feel you should be more paranoid / town-cautious.In post 497, Irrelephant11 wrote:what if I told you I just have a lot of townreads and want all my townreads to townread me...as town
Your above example is a logical fallacy against you so yeah, I wouldn't like it either.In post 519, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser, as for my self-meta-stuff, what would your reaction be if someone was like "well Keyser is always easily townread by everyone in every game, and that's not happening here, so he's scum"
Like?? mitillos literally scumcased me by using meta that was just patently untrue, I wanted the record set straight
I'm a few pages behind but saw his page top post...In post 538, the worst wrote:In post 312, Keyser Söze wrote:Creature should be a null read for everyone right now.
I broke your rules
Has he done nothing alignment indicative at all?
So you're sold he's outside his scum range here?In post 513, Nauci wrote:I've seen townrelephant exhibit these behaviors in every game I've seen townrelephant
He's infectiously cheerful to the point of paranoia driving pocketing as a personality
Would you read yourself as town here?In post 540, Creature wrote:I personally feel like I used to obvtown more
Obviously all the players who are being mass town read won't be all town.In post 534, Irrelephant11 wrote:If Keyser is right that I am TMI-ing the alignments of many townies, I am the most pro-town scummer that ever scummed
My narrative paints you as the instigator / master manipulator xIn post 516, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser, I agree that it's very possible that the gamestate is indicative of 1-2 wolves collecting townreads they don't deserve. I don't understand either (1) why that's more likely me than anyone else or (2) why did I set up this sentence to have two parts, I don't think I have a second part
I didn't think your wagon was 'legit' though, it didn't have any of the 'town block' powering it. Only the nulls/low posters on it. Plus, Relly was already committed to a hard town read of you. He wasn't gonna step down from that and try to "shut down" your lynch.In post 559, Shoshin wrote:Irrelephant's response to my wagon should clear him. As scum, he'd express a townread on me but allow a wagon to unfold without working this hard to prevent a mislynch.In post 545, Keyser Söze wrote:So you're sold he's outside his scum range here?
Based on my recent games with Irrelephant (TAZ, and the Schadd game you were in), Irrelephant knows that I'm mislynchable even in games where it seems like I'm the most widely townread player (TAZ) and that mislynches sometimes happen quickly without time for a town response (Carmen's lynch in Schadd's game). Knowing this, I doubt scum Irrelephant completely shuts down any possibilty of my mislynch when it's potentially picking up steam (I was the largest wagon when Irrelephant started defending me).
I still believe if he’d reversed on his 99% t/read on you that would have looked bad on scum!Relly (and I don’t think that’s my confirm bias speaking)In post 566, Shoshin wrote:The "town block" isn't majority of players. Plus NM quickhammers. This is precisely the kind of game where scum Irrelephant keeps options open in terms of allowing my lynch to happen while calling me town. I just don't see him going out of his way to defend me in the way he has as scum. What's he gain from it?In post 564, Keyser Söze wrote:I didn't think your wagon was 'legit' though, it didn't have any of the 'town block' powering it. Only the nulls/low posters on it. Plus, Relly was already committed to a hard town read of you. He wasn't gonna step down from that and try to "shut down" your lynch.
I have a Relly-Nauci scum theory, but I best save that...In post 568, Varsoon wrote:Nauci's posts actually ping me really hard as scum and I don't have much reason besides 'gut'.
I'm sure a better player can make a better case there if Nauci is actually scum, though.
I think I may be mistaken... teacher joined April 2018 and just checked his topic list - I don’t think I have played with them... very strange.In post 616, AlmostNancy wrote:You prefer a teacher lynch instead? I’m not opposed to that. I would just prefer to see a few more posts of theirs. Also, I think Key claimed to have meta on teacher. @Key, help us out here. Based on that single post, how do you read teacher?In post 611, Mitillos wrote:Did someone say math teacher?
@Nancy: I explained why teacher was more suspicious than xtoxm in the very post you quoted. His vote is without any reasons given, his post devoid of content except a weak and non-committal defense of Performer. That's even less effort than xtoxm had put into his posts.
@Varsoon: I claimed information. It got buried in my verbose style. Also, you should try to do something about that bitterness, quickly. Some of us have been explicitly asking for your own reads, and you insist on going on about how Shoshin is infallible. This is not helpful or relevant. Just because most of us are townreading both Irrelephant and Shoshin doesn't mean 1) we are automatically correct, 2) they are correct in their reads, or 3) we don't care about your reads. But you have to make the effort, and yes, show your work.
Bad vote Nauci
Will get round to it hopefully tonight.In post 697, AlmostNancy wrote:I won't try to dissuade anyone from voting anyone else, but I would very much appreciate a little explanation.
~TW
Not Xtom atm, I haven’t engaged him or studied their posts yet.
This post I can empathise with.In post 369, Xtoxm wrote:Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.
When I’m online I will. No ‘grandstanding’, and don’t expect an amazing ‘case’. You could be unaligned scum, I don’t know.In post 922, Nauci wrote:All of my thoughts on Keyser are based on his lack of posting—the grandstanding about having a wacky theory and never getting around to posting it.In post 913, Irrelephant11 wrote:I would like Nancy to stop towncasing herself now (if A50 is also doing that I would like that to stop as well)
Please and thank you <3
VOTE: Keyser
I think that his alignment is only determinable with posts so I'm just throwing this one on the back burner for now.
What do you think of xtoxm's somewhat meatier new posts?
Back home now, so will be online after [something something another game].In post 1034, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser, join us
Doing this now - may need to update my thoughts from the last 10 pages too though.In post 922, Nauci wrote:the grandstanding about having a wacky theory and never getting around to posting it.
It may be 40 pages too late , but this is where my earlyIn post 689, Keyser Söze wrote: I may have to post my Nauci-Relly scum theory earlier than anticipated
I saw this as scum-Relly connecting me to his scum-partner (i.e pre-flip association theory he can return to later).In post 222, Irrelephant11 wrote:+town for Nauci, unless they're partnersIn post 180, Nauci wrote:I've got no read at all on Keyser since I'm recalibrating on him haha
Again, further linking me with Nauci (it was especially irritating as I could not even see this web of associations through my minimal interactions with Nauci). IMO, the interactions between me and Nauci did not deserve all this association analysis, thus, very suspicious.In post 236, Irrelephant11 wrote:Nauci & Keyser leantown or partners, or maybe nauci is scum and keyser is town?
Relly had been quite hedgy on Nauci so far... I think the placement of Nauci (alongside Creature of all players) makes me feel this was a forced placement.In post 290, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter, keyser}
{nauci, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher, xtoxm} null
{mitillos, performer}
Still hedgy and not conclusive of how indicative it is of alignment.In post 362, Irrelephant11 wrote:also nauci not providing a read on me is maybe towny? I can't decide if it's AI
Somehow Nauci was now above me in his reads list - how did Nauci get here? You still didn't sound that confident previously (unless you can show me in your posts). Wasn't I supposed to be the townie between me and Nauci..? Now I'm relegated alongside Creature I don't think the way Nauci magically moved up your readslist was genuine.In post 371, Irrelephant11 wrote:{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter,nauci}
{keyser, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher,mitillos} null
{performer,xtoxm}
bolded the ones that moved
(Now this one is a bit more tin foil hat): I think you were doing the same thing to Xtoxm here - I feel like you were calling xtoxm out for NOT voting for his scum read (Nauci). In both cases I felt like you know what alignment Nauci was... and tying us together to Nauci.In post 389, Irrelephant11 wrote:maybe start with a vote on nauci, your strongest scumreadIn post 382, Irrelephant11 wrote:xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you
You and RellyIn post 1369, Nauci wrote:What does this meanIn post 1313, Keyser Söze wrote:I saw this as scum-Relly connecting me to his scum-partner (i.e pre-flip association theory he can return to later).
Whose scum partner
I think you are over confident scum who has found themselves in a comfort blacker of being town read.In post 1396, Creature wrote:Do we have time to pressure wagon me?
I'm townIn post 1416, Nauci wrote:This is such a weird post
Thus far your small collection of posts have been so weird I can't figure out what mindset would have come up with them
Inb4 3p