Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Nauci]

I don't think I was, Nauci. I think scum have a roleblocker of some sort who blocked me.

That would involve varsoon lying, or a 3rd party other than the witch having a roleblock ability that targeted you

[Nauci]

Zerg kill: Xtoxm
Zerg target 1: Xtoxm
Zerg target 2: the worst

Because this

[Nauci]

Thanks for playing out the previous day without me, entirely.
Assholes.

I'm at least as mad as you are

[Nauci]

Because the game was balanced around us not lynching the dang activated IC with 3 votes

I'm pretty sure we're at 4v3+1

[Nauci]

For the record

N1 I targeted Performer, was NOT witched, and received no result

N2 I targeted mitillos, was witched, AND received no result

N3 I targeted Keyser, was witched, and received a result

[Nauci]

The fact that AN is still voting TW is pretty garbage

[Nauci]

I guess we can mass claim since the game is solved.

I agree

But idk how you'll ever get the scummier slots to claim

[Nauci]

the worst, Nauci, Varsoon - town

Nancy - probably witch, third party

Key/Performer/Mitillos - group scum

Can we still win this?

So then, I am veto'ing a Performer vote from us. We either vote tw or Nauci today and no one else.

That's either scum reaching out to the witch or the witch reaching out to scum if I've ever seen it lol

[Nauci]

I'm informed you're either scum or this game is true mind fuckery, because WE ARE A TOWN ROLEBLOCKER.

We blocked the worst on N1, Nauci N2 & Shoshin N3.

We are Sarah Kerrigan, and we are informed there's another Kerrigan in the game.

Oh, and our priority is also normal. We win when all the killing roles that are non-town aligned have been removed from the game (I've paraphrased to avoid "direct quoting" but have left it all there. I just rearranged it and added a few more words such as "aligned", "from the game" & a couple more that I saw fit to throw in to make the rearranged wording easily comprehensible)

I think the worst might be the other Kerrigan out there, and I think Shoshin is scum (Nancy is opposed to the SR on Nancy and I was defending tw on the first 2 days). Their third is Performer/Nauci (We only agree on Performer, so that's part of why I wasn't in the game because my reads and Nancy's are hardly coherent)

Anyway, Scum are in Shoshin/tw/Performer/Nauci (those are MY reads. Nancy SRs Keyser and I don't. Nancy suspects Varsoon and I don't. I SR'd Koki -as usual- and she didn't.)

I'll let the town members who are (a) more knowledgeable of the flavour, and (b) have been invested in the actual game play from the start decide where to go from here.

Also, control of the hydra will be handed back to Nancy.

Finally, although I still SR Shoshin (and HARD) I am willing to agree with Nancy in not voting her today. I want to lynch in Performer/tw/Nauci and I will NOT unvote. Nancy can do that if she wants to.

Literally nothing here makes sense

[Nauci]

@Krazy

if all of my stupid spam PMs to you are fucking justified

only you know just the level of infuriated with this game and certain players

BUT YOU KNOW

and I blame you at least 50% for ruining my 11-1 record

[Nauci]

So you just watched Perf and Keyser scumclaim via quickhammer and me scumclaim by claiming a facsimile of your role with a modifier and then didn't roleblock any of us

Mate, I wasn't playing and did not even read the thread properly. I am crystal clear: The block on Shoshin is the only one >I< (A50) has pursued with conviction and I've already explained why.

So you're saying I should just policy lynch you from now on for being the most anti-town town player I've seen all year?

[Nauci]

I have to take a break from interacting with this game because I'm too angry

[Nauci]

Which statement is a scum claim

The hell are you even saying

[Nauci]

@Nauci: Don't antagonize me. You modded me twice and know my play. Your statement here is a scum claim to me. An explicit scum claim, that is.

I've only moderated one game btw

[Nauci]

Nauci, can you out your result on Key?

I don't know where I was redirected by the witch

[Nauci]

Nope

Just a no result

[Nauci]

Keyser is going to win from scum lurking the whole damn game ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

If I knew I was going to have my night action messed with the whole game I would have outright CCed earlier (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

[Nauci]

I'm a cop

[Nauci]

And I'm infinitely jealous of Skitter for rolling apparently the only VT in the game

WHY IS SHE SO GOOD AT ROLLING VT

RNGESUS Y

[Nauci]

Not even sure what multi step process resulted in the night not being resolved early

[Nauci]

does the witch find that out from targeting you once?

According to Krazy

Not necessarily

But it wasn't a definitive answer

[Nauci]

Out of interest do you have a modifier?

Nope, no modifiers or restrictions except the ones everyone else keeps putting on me >:C

I was told that I am able to find out the alignment of mafia/zerg, and also the alignment of 3rd party evil OR killing roles (but not 3rd party neutral roles like survivor)

[Nauci]

Witch is a redirector

That sent me an alert that I was redirected

and also might bypass restrictions (i.e. could have made creature shoot irrelephant even though he was supposed to be even-night)

[Nauci]

or she's a scum redirector

2 redirectors?

lmao

[Nauci]

Why would the "witch" keep targetting Nauci?

I've almost definitely copped scum 3/3 nights

So that's a pretty good reason

I think that my cop on Performer failed for non-roleblock reasons maybe; he may have a modifier

wouldn't it be hilarious if Performer is a ninja with scum Mitillos, who claimed there are no ninjas to mess with us

but seriously I'm kinda checked out of this game, between the probably unwinnable conditions and AN trolling

[Nauci]

I still don't understand what the fuck Nancy's doing even if she's scum. Like, wtf is her scum strategy here? She easily could have gone along with lynching Key/Performer/Mitillos and won the game?

It makes sense if she's either the witch, obvscumming to prevent scum from trying to mislynch there

Or scum trying to call out to the witch to not vote scum, and delineate the pool of town they need to vote within

If it's 4v3+1 at this point there's basically nothing we can do about it if they coordinate by being ridiculous and obvscumming as hard as possible without outright claiming it for other people (which is against the rules)

[Nauci]

I haven't VCA'd this but I'm pretty sure Keyser at least is lockscum

It's impossible to convey how hard I regret not pushing that lynch through on D2

I just thought it'd blow my cover and I so desperately wanted to be able to check mitillos and live

[Nauci]

Why would the "witch" keep targetting Nauci?

Not sure. The theory that the witch becomes informed of her ability is pretty valid & it would be in their interest to continuously direct her to the same target if they know she's a cop.

otherwise..... ┐(´д｀)┌

Well they know I'm not a doctor or jailer because I said that my night action failed

So if they just continually redirect me I'd never know who my result was on even if I did get one

[Nauci]

AN's posts are pretty much consistent with being scum yelling at the witch to vote shoshin/tw/me in order to win the game

[Nauci]

This game would have been a lot easier if Koki actually confirmed himself instead of letting himself get mislynched. His read on the game state was terrible.

Don't think I can blame that one on him really

I don't know if any one of us saw that 1 - 2 - 3 quick lynch coming

[Nauci]

I'm a science vessel, informed motion detector. I visited Nauci on N2, I saw no visitors.

Do you have an event night modifier?

What does the Ghost Academy stuff mean?

[Nauci]

I wish I were skilled enough at this game to make up such grandiose lies and anger

[Nauci]

And not even be called out until the day after

[Nauci]

I don't know how to win this game

I don't even know which scum I'd most want to vote

[Nauci]

on two conintents

Oh?

[Nauci]

If this ain't hammered in 3 hours from now

Town don't have enough votes to lynch scum, yo

unless you think that this isn't 4v3+1

and forgot about the witch

or think that I'm literally lying out my ass so hard that I made up the whole witch debacle

[Nauci]

Let's assume Mitillos suicided unintentionally. It's still likely that Mitillos is group scum based on his slip. He was talking to someone, after all.

How does someone manage to accidentally post a PM to the mod, or confuse the purple of a PT with the main thread?

I don't get it

I've slipped before in that I confused 2 different PTs with each other, and one was in a game I was modding

but a main thread post like that is pretty messed up

[Nauci]

My flavor is Kate Lockwell, a terran news reporter who was mostly a side character

oh also my role was specified as town

alignment

cop, as opposed to Mew's modifier cop

[Nauci]

I'm also waiting on Nancy to update us on her reads. Her entire view of the game should be shifting based on new understanding of Mitillos's alignment.

He's casually stopped screaming about lynching me without making a big deal out of it I guess

[Nauci]

Sorry I'm kinda checked out of the game

town would have to somehow get one of the anti-town players to vote another anti-town player today, successfully lynch scum, and then either somehow successfully block the kill or wake up as 3v2+1/3v3 tomorrow and do this all over again, while there is at least 1 redirect in the game with at least 1 roleblocker

and I've been very frustrated by the AN slot the entire game, whether they've been causing it intentionally or not

[Nauci]

Btw, what bloody 3P are we all talking about here? We only had 2 kills ONCE in the game. Why couldn't that have been a 1-shot Vig? Or and ODD-NIGHT VIG (since we had an Even-Night Vig) who got blocked or shot the same target as Mafia or even decided to holster? The shot on Koki may have even been redirected, so the Mafia having a redirector decided to redirect someone to their own kill in case there was a Watcher, for instance.

I mean, there is no compelling evidence we have a 3P in-play, Just speculation based on one night, and one night only.

I'm fucking done with this game

I'm not going to replace out and throw some poor new person into this clusterfuck but I'm going to be low activity for the duration because I cannot deal with this slot any more; if that was an intended effect, congratulations, you win

[Nauci]

I haven't claimed the result because only the witch knows who the target was and the witch may not know my result otherwise

[Nauci]

I'm highly confident that there are 3 scum + witch because Kokichi's role was purposefully added to re-balance in town's favor

And AN's claim of being witched N1 is utterly ridiculous after the post about not knowing anything about a 3rd party (which was so utterly absurd on its face) regardless of who it came from each time

I trust AN 0% and the turn around today are absurd

The 4 town are me/tw/shoshin/varsoon probably

Keyser and performer are scum together, I guess with Nancy

Mitillos is probably the witch and was informed of there not being ninjas

Kerrigan was a human/Terran character who was later infused with protoss/Zerg "dna" to become the queen of Zerg and commanded all Zerg

I have no idea why xtoxm was shot instead of mauled or whatever

[Nauci]

On N2, we roleblocked Nauci.

Why

[Nauci]

No, because Krazy told us that witch is redirector in this setup.

but unlike Nauci, we weren’t informed about a witch

[Nauci]

Btw, what bloody 3P are we all talking about here? We only had 2 kills ONCE in the game. Why couldn't that have been a 1-shot Vig? Or and ODD-NIGHT VIG (since we had an Even-Night Vig) who got blocked or shot the same target as Mafia or even decided to holster? The shot on Koki may have even been redirected, so the Mafia having a redirector decided to redirect someone to their own kill in case there was a Watcher, for instance.

I mean, there is no compelling evidence we have a 3P in-play, Just speculation based on one night, and one night only.

WE got witched on N1.

I'm not reading any more AN posts; it's all lies and contradiction

[Nauci]

I've never felt so fucking gaslit in a game before

[Nauci]

Why do you think you were witched N1 then

[Nauci]

Self notes: we have a vig, pgo,

a cop

, X # of informed, bp, scum that kill, sk that kill, witch/survivor, a VT, gunsmith.

This might have been a slip that Performer is the witch? Or how else would he know there was a cop? It would also make sense that third party has bulletproof.

Mother of God I didn't notice that before

[Nauci]

If you were reading the game at all you'd know I'm town

If you read the game at all on D3 you'd know that when the witch targets someone to redirect them, they are informed that they have been witched, which is how I found out a witch exists

[Nauci]

P-edit: I explained it TWICE. STOP POSTURING.

YOU ARE SCUM OVER PERFORMER (AND HE'S 99% SCUM TO ME). I would lynch you in a heart beat and never look back.

Fuck off with this gaslighting

[Nauci]

It's possible/probable that performer was referring to the alignment cop in his post

[Nauci]

I got witched last night

It was one of the first things I said today

[Nauci]

When I was witched, I was sent a reply to my night action that literally said I have been witched

And some details about how the witch role here is different from off site ones

You can't be redirected by the witch without immediately knowing it

[Nauci]

Did you get a pm day 1 that you were witched on night 1?

[Nauci]

I'm an alignment cop who was prevented from finding out the alignment of performer, then mitillos, then Keyser

Could've nailed scum 3 consecutive days \o/

I assume that keyser and performer, with or without knowing kokichi's role, figured out the 4v3+1 numbers because of my witch claim and hammered yesterday before kokichi could activate, knowing it guaranteed the win

[Nauci]

Did you get a pm day 1 that you were witched on night 1?

@nancy

[Nauci]

Did you get a pm day 1 that you were witched on night 1?

@nancy

No but we figured out by EOD 2, that tw was very unlikely to have been roleblocked, due to Kokichi soft, so we figured we had to have either bern redirected or there was a bus driver or something in the setup and after Nauci claimed she was informed of a witch being in the setup and then Krazy confirming that if there wad a witch in the setup, then it would have to be a 3P redirector, that kind’ve explained a lot.

When I was witched, I was sent a reply to my night action that literally said I have been witched

And some details about how the witch role here is different from off site ones

You can't be redirected by the witch without immediately knowing it

[Nauci]

In addition, roleblockers aren't told if their roleblock was successful or not, and kokichi didn't have a role to block, so I'm not sure why you would think you were redirected or that TW's roleblock failed

[Nauci]

This is the 4th or so time I'm pointing out that that's a lie about being redirected and I'm feeling like no one actually reads my posts ever in this game because I'm answering or asking the same questions over and over and over and over

[Nauci]

I'm not really willing to vote anywhere but Keyser but I don't even see how town mechanically win here

[Nauci]

Also, we are the only ones claiming witched on N1, so maybe you are the only one who got a PM about it.

Or maybe someone dead (like Creature) was the one witched

[Nauci]

In addition, roleblockers aren't told if their roleblock was successful or not, and kokichi didn't have a role to block, so I'm not sure why you would think you were redirected or that TW's roleblock failed

How did he roleblock Kokichi then? He specifically claimed this and I don’t think he’s lying, which means our N1 roleblock on him failed. So either he lied or we were redirected?

I don’t think he’s lying, ergo we were redirected.

roleblockers aren't told if their roleblock was successful or not, and kokichi didn't have a role to block

You don't know if your roleblock succeeded

TW does not know if his roleblock succeeded

Kokichi didn't do anything because his role couldn't do anything night 1, so he wouldn't know if he was blocked

There is absolutely 0 reason to think you were redirected

[Nauci]

He said if a witch exists, it’s 3P redirector and Creature was even night vig, so he couldn’t have been.

Yesterday ended before I could relay my answers from Krazy >:C

I was told that the version of witch he is using doesn't necessarily learn what my night action is when redirecting me, and might not learn what the result of my action is either

Buuuuuut

That it could potentially ignore restrictions

So it is possible that they directed creature onto Irrelephant, not knowing what creature even did, just trying to get him shot by the pgo, and got incredibly lucky that creature was a vig

[Nauci]

Also, we are the only ones claiming witched on N1, so maybe you are the only one who got a PM about it.

Or maybe someone dead (like Creature) was the one witched

No, you don’t understand what Krazy said about the witch. He said if a witch exists, it’s 3P redirector and Creature was even night vig, so he couldn’t have been.

I don’t really see the point of debating this further. Fact: we roleblocked tw on N1. Als fact: our rileblock failed for some reason, most probably redirect/witch.

You claimed that your role is informed about the witch, so maybe that’s why you and not me, got a role PM.

So witched makes the most logical explanation. We didn’t lie and I don’t believe tw did either.

Okay maybe if I use really big font, the 8th time I repeat this will actually be read.

Roleblocking does not result in an alert about whether you succeed or fail. You have no idea if your roleblock succeeded or failed.

The Worst has no idea if his roleblock succeeded or failed, because he is also not told this. Kokichi's role meant he had no night actions that could have been blocked, so it's impossible for The Worst to know if his roleblock succeeded or failed. Therefore, it's impossible for you to know if your roleblock succeeded or failed.

I was not informed about the witch because of my role. I WAS INFORMED ABOUT THE WITCH BECAUSE THE ROLE OF THE WITCH INFORMS ITS TARGETS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WITCHED. IF YOU WERE WITCHED, YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIVED A MESSAGE SAYING YOU WERE WITCHED. I have been sent 2 messages that I was witched, for Night 2 and Night 3, on Day 3 and Day 4. YOU WERE NOT WITCHED ON NIGHT 1, OR YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIVED A PM FROM KRAZY THAT IT HAD HAPPENED.

Krazy told me that the witch could potentially bypass restrictions like even/odd night, so that the Witch could potentially have controlled Creature to shoot at Irrelephant.

Because no one else has claimed that they were witched, I will assume that a now-dead player was witched, and one who most likely never got a chance to tell the game about it, so it was likely Creature.

[Nauci]

P.edit. “ungated”? @the worst

I also wonder why town had 2 normal priority on 1 one low one (Xtoxm) but not a single jailkeep.

Xtoxm's was a jailkeeper--his abductions prevent anything else from happening to the target

[Nauci]

Look I'm sorry for losing my temper a dozen times this game but there are so many things that I'm pretty sure I've literally clarified and restated and attempted to correct at least 8 times that I'm losing my fucking shit

[Nauci]

Keyser hasn't post except to lynch Kokichi in like well over a week, I'm pretty sure

And somehow his reward is winning

[Nauci]

VOTE: Keyser Söze

[Nauci]

I have absolutely no idea why xtoxm died to a bullet

and at this point I'm at a complete loss for setup speculation

but I do know that as a scum gunsmith, keyser would have been able to figure out that me, mew, creature, and irrelephant (if he had expended both of his PGO shots) had a gun and therefore was a town pr of some sort

and that the witch was likely trying to kill creature (for whatever reason?) night 1 by running him into the claimed PGO, but got lucky that creature was a vigilante who then successfully killed irrelephant

[Nauci]

I don't even understand mitillos's motivation to lie that badly

[Nauci]

Idk how I feel about Varsoon having been mostly inactive today (after not even having the chance to post yesterday)

at this point I'm just going to keep my vote on keyser and see what happens because idk how to convince 3 scum and a witch to vote scum even if all of town voted correctly

[Nauci]

We'd have to roleblock correctly

I'm just pessimistic about my vote today

[Nauci]

i'm still a little traumatised by accidentally being involved in the quickhammer on the town doublevoter.. :/

Town triple voter

[Nauci]

@Mitillos
Are you the witch?
There are 3 Zerg left, we can win together.
If you don't out yourself, you'll probably be lynched.

We're literally lynching here if at all possible today

[Nauci]

Why mitillos instead of keyser

[Nauci]

I find it insane that we're not powerlynching Keyser right now but I see where you're coming from Shoshin. Tell me where my vote needs to go.

If Mitillos were the witch, mafia would be lynching him, not asking him to win together. So it's guaranteed that Mitillos is mafia with Key, as we've been saying. I prefer lynching Mitillos first, if only because Key seems so scared of his flip.

Why would mafia lynch the witch

The witch helps them win by redirecting town PRs; the witch wins with mafia and does not hinder mafia from winning

Scum need the witch around and the witch needs scum to win

[Nauci]

Shoshin's point that Keys is very unlikely to post that if Mitillos actually IS the witch is valid.

Yes but like

Obviously Keyser is scum

He literally claimed scum

And I don't even want to unintentionally lynch a witch over scum because we need to lynch scum over lynching the witch to win because the witch does not have killing power alone

[Nauci]

I am seriously sad about lynching mew over keyser

[Nauci]

the witch doesn't lynch claimed scum here though. if we get it to 4 votes with the entire town on keyser his buddies just freeze and the witch now knows not to vote him

This makes no sense to me but whatever I guess

[Nauci]

Subject: The Cow Level -- Starcraft Dead/Spectator Thread

TW is scum? And I knew it D1?

He was so super scummy on D1 but he seemed so townie after that. How was Shoshin this bad?

And 3 Durans in the setup? Please explain that @Krazy. How can Mitilos and Varsoon both be terran Duran?

TW is scum? And I knew it D1?

He was so super scummy on D1 but he seemed so townie after that. How was Shoshin this bad?

And 3 Durans in the setup? Please explain that @Krazy. How can Mitilos and Varsoon both be terran Duran?

Varsoon = Terran Duran

Keyser = (Infested Terran) Zerg Duran

Mitillos = Dr. Emil Narud, a different character that the xel'naga character was posing as

Krazy = the real life Dr. Narud

Everyone else = Krazy's "patients"

[Nauci]

Haven't caught up on post game chatter

but The Worst deserves some sort of Academy Award for this

[Nauci]

swingy as fuck, yes, but given it was pseudo-multiball, that was going to be a given

I think that the roles in the setup are mostly fine

but to me, the issue is that anti-town roles had enormous amounts of setup information, while the vast majority of town roles did not? I guess I should have assumed fuckery was at foot just because of how precise the explanation of my cop results were, but for some reason I just didn't think it was reasonable to think things were this fucky. Maybe that's just me though.

[Nauci]

yeah, @not-mafia, your reads were spot on
sorry for denigrating them this kinda changed my perspective wrt your reads

QFT

[Nauci]

This game taught me that RNGesus has deemed that The Worst should always be scum in a game where scum fake claim gunsmith

and that I should always be an investigative role trying to suppress counter claiming the gunsmith fake claim

and that Skitter can always be VT (INTENSE ENVY INTENSIFIES)

[Nauci]

didn't have enough information to navigate the various anti-town roles

Not to mention that town basically have to out being TPR in order to tell town that there's a witch in order to explain the dang night 1 deaths

[Nauci]

new votecounter app

It is dope! Thank you!

[Nauci]

(i'm still kinda stuck on the nk flavor thing, for example)

See, I had even figured out that flavor mechanic

but Varsoon said he was explicitly informed that zerg by default do not have bullets

so when 2/3 zerg turn out to have bullets

??????

[Nauci]

wo town killing prs died impossibly n

Yeah it was literally impossible for town to figure out that the witch role could bypass the gating until I managed to ask

though it would have been great if kokichi hadn't been scumhammered before I could even tell the thread my answer; I guess we could have had that information on D3

[Nauci]

so now there's a third source of nk's

BILLY MAYS HERE

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

WAIT UNTIL YOU GET A LOAD OF THIS ARSON BUSINESS

[Nauci]

so when 2/3 zerg turn out to have bullets

2/3 of them did? i thought it was just performer

Performer was infested terran Kerrigan with bullets; Keyser was infested terran Duran with bullets. Only The Worst had the zerg mauling kill. Except he shouldn't because that unit was just a giant gross brain!

[Nauci]

I do think that in many ways it was a super fun setup, and I loved the ridiculous flavors. I didn't think anyone was going to out-nerd me at Starcraft, but this was mostly Brood War era lore.

Trying to explain the flavor mechanics endlessly to people who really don't have any understanding of Starcraft, when it actually had a significant impact on the game, was rough though.

I just felt like every time something happened in the game, I was like HOW WAS I EVER SUPPOSED TO ANTICIPATE OR KNOW THAT

I mean, even when I found out there was a witch, I made a lot of assumptions about how the witch worked based on how it works elsewhere: the only reason I claimed is because I assumed that the witch knew exactly what my role was already on D3, because it's explicitly part of the mechanics described on mafiauniverse.

The setup makes it entirely possibly for town to win easily, but the number of killing roles/protectives/things we couldn't understand/kill power made it feel like a game of Hearthstone where there's so much RNG that I don't feel satisfied even if I win? But I'm the kind of player who LOVES the current newbie game setup with just enough to keep people guessing but enough mechanics to do logical evaluations of the game state on either side, while making raw reading skill matter a LOT. I think this was actually my very first almost-role-madness game, and I had no expectations of what it was when I joined.

[Nauci]

All 3 scum quick hammering Kokichi from 3 different continents is the most omae wa mou shindeiru moment I've ever witnessed in Mafia

TW

then proceeded to say that it was absurd for 2 scum on 2 different continents to do that while sitting on a 3rd continent

. I thought it was impossible that he was scum simply because he did not spontaneously combust from holding that giggle in.

[Nauci]

What you did in game



What I'm pretty sure you looked like IRL

[Nauci]

Thank you very much. thwt means a lot to me coming from you (the evolution of your scumplay entering jjh's game is some of the most impressive scumwork I've ever seen, hands down). I'll definitely take it.

pedit: that was secretly my favourite cheeky scumfuck moment in the entire game, also casually referring to myself accidentally getting involved in a scum quickhammer

Having DUNKED YOUR SCUM BUTT twice recently

I NEVER COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING

The real lesson was to never try to call me scummy

[Nauci]

I think that Shoshin did play well, but it's largely out of multiball considerations, since she could still actually, y'know, scumhunt.
And even though she played well, she still lost, because, y'know,
SETUP MISGIVINGS HERE

Also, yeah, I had fun on D1/D2, I guess? Maybe?
I don't really remember.
Glad I could play another one out with you, Xtoxm
Have more confidence in your reads and lay more casework next time.

I was literally never going to be able to catch Shoshin except when she insisted on lynching Mitillos and that the game was winnable, because I just couldn't imagine that there was a 2nd 3P who actively needs to scum hunt to win

[Nauci]

and with worst blocking your nuke

The way that keyser's rolecop revealed

all

those details about her role was absolutely brutal for arson winning

[Nauci]

@Nauci:

I think my tone by that day conveyed the sheer level of despair and apathy I had for solving this game, regardless of my role

[Nauci]

not a first-person shooter

Hey now

most first person shooters are cooperative

[Nauci]

If you can get NM to pipe up we should just go ahead and crown you king of the universe

[Nauci]

I have 700 fucking posts here

that's like my 12 other games combined

I think that's all my WIM for 2019

see y'all in 2020

[Nauci]

swingy as fuck, yes, but given it was pseudo-multiball, that was going to be a given

I think that the roles in the setup are mostly fine

but to me, the issue is that anti-town roles had enormous amounts of setup information, while the vast majority of town roles did not? I guess I should have assumed fuckery was at foot just because of how precise the explanation of my cop results were, but for some reason I just didn't think it was reasonable to think things were this fucky. Maybe that's just me though.

Uh.
Town had both Varsoon and Nancy? Plus TWO investigatives? The modifier cop was essentially a rolecop, capable of catching almost all of the antitown, whose claims wouldn't match their results.
Plus a full cop.

Scum had a rolecop, but think of what roles would be caught by the town's equivalent. Not to mention, how it had a full inno result that was discarded.
Mewtawp TOLD the town that Kokichi had a town modifier. After lynching Mew, this was utterly discarded, but was an important detail I feel most players are forgetting.

Nothing about role cop or regular cop tips me off to the fact that I would need to account for two separate anti-town 3P mindsets plus a full scum team when scum hunting; I don't like when mechanics greatly subtract from the organic analysis aspects of playing mafia.

[Nauci]

Given that you had a soft guilty from the denied kill I don't think outing there was incorrect, town just didn't quite connect all the dots to get the Performer lynch pushed through.

Oh

I thought Varsoon's info was that zerg straight up did not TRY to kill night 1, as if they couldn't for like, actual alternating multi-ball reasons