Starcraft Mafia: 2 -- Game Over!

[Krazy]

Votecount 1.3
Shoshin the worst(6) ~ pinturicchio(3), Tibor and Lumia(8), u r a person 2(7), ProFlavor(6), Varsoon(38), Alchemist21(21)
Taly(1) ~ Shoshin the worst(24)
Alchemist21(1) ~ Mewtaph(1)


Not Voting (6): Mephistophanes 39(34), Almost Chara(4), Michael Scott(6), Kokichi Oma(6), NicoRobin(2), Taly(6)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:06:24)

MOD REMINDERS

Feel like this is a bad time to touch on this given that it's related to reads at the moment, but I do want to say that I do ask for the hydras to sign using intelligible names. While the players right now are familiar with each other, if we need a replacement later I don't want the thread to be incomprehensible. That being said I will not be issuing moderator warnings or comment about signing again after this post.

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

[Shoshin the worst]

Oh sorry, not universally. Guess I forgot a few slots (two of whom were lynched). semantics bro

[Shoshin the worst]

if you could give taly a quick ISO then ctrl+f "taly" in our iso I think you'll get the gist of it. I'm not fully ready to reveal what we've picked up on QUITE yet.

[Almost Chara]

@Proflavor: Could you sign your posts?

He said "woof"! That's definitely profii (the guy sitting behind his dog in his personal avatar).

I am still catching up, but Nancy's already confusing me. Her posts are definitely towny in tone, but -up to post 87- I didn't see her signature crumb. Like..

Mephistopheles is not your name
I know what you're up to just the same
I will listen hard to your tuition
You will see it come to its fruition
I'll be wrapped around your finger
I'll be wrapped around your finger



P.S. So as not to confuse anyone, this is not a crumb of our role in any way, shape or form. It's a mix or referencing how Nancy usually crumbs with videos + a joke about the hydra name

~The half-a-century old head

[Shoshin the worst]

Synchronicity Side Bs! A50 you still just get me.

[Varsoon]

Fully reveal it now.
I'm not going to let you beat around the bush.
Your answer in 177 says to me "I do not actually have a good reason and I am fabricating one; in the meantime, please come up with something on your own to justify my play and maybe come to a scumread conclusion there yourself."

So, no.
I won't just 'look at some ISO's and 'get the gist of it'.
You'll explain it in full detail and won't 'hide' anything that you don't want to reveal 'quite yet', because that's bullshit.

[Shoshin the worst]

Varsoon we've been sorting and moving the game more than you. When people stop hyperventilating about out hydra decision, we will look townier than you. We don't need the towncred of explaining our Taly read preemptively. taly is the kind of player capable of writing in a narrative driven fashion which means if we alert him to what were looking at/for too early, we'll lose what momentum we do have.


So, no. I am not going to bow down to your browbeating overbearing tactics. Disagreeing with us here is only beneficial for Taly, in that he'll be harder to catch if he is indeed scum. If you heavily disagree, explain why he's town. You are going to need the towncred more than us.

~ the worst & Shoshin

[Varsoon]

You talking about how you look in relation to me is scum posturing and attempts to make me change my position solely for towncred from you, which is something I could care less about.

I want your Taly read explained so that I can further understand the game at hand; not because it'll buy you any towncred.
The burden on me is not to explain why Taly is town; stop trying to walk back your read or force me to do something inorganic like explain a read I don't have and just explain your own damn read that you've already claimed.

[Varsoon]

Literally the fact you didn't explain it and instead made that gross posture post indicates to me that there's no depth to your read and you're just talking out of your ass.

[Shoshin the worst]

No like literally we have a read and we're going to see how well the trajectory of Taly's iso backs up or conflicts with our position. you just admitted you're being intentionally close minded about reading our slot and reconsidering your read on our scumread in 180 so I'm not sure why I would bother casing him out for you while you're raging anyway?

want to talk about any other slots? or

pedit: absolutely not correct. what posturing do you think was scum indicative?

[u r a person 2]

i read over the isos

varsoon could be right

but i don't want this lynch anymore right now

I think I'll join you on Taly.

VOTE: Taly
Hi Taly,
Would you kindly talk to me about your varsoon read (or any read you have other than Shoshin the worst)

[Varsoon]

I'm not raging, Shoshin--I'm applying pressure to your slot and I don't appreciate your multiple attempts to rewrite my push on you as anything but.

I'd love to talk about Taly, but you've decided to dodge that subject entirely.
So, nah, I don't wanna talk about anyone else.
I want you lynched.

[Shoshin the worst]

Okay you're not pressuring out slot. You're pushing it for a lynch. Saying we're scum for a progressive hydra dynamic is scum motivated at worst & close-mindedness at best. so we're not really able to react to that pressure any way regardless of alignment I don't think.

Engaging with us on slots is a much better idea. I did just explain why talking about Taly is a bad idea if he IS scum so I'm not sure where to go next. I guess we can leave each other's personal space for 24 hours or something?

[Varsoon]

You keep coming back to the 'progressive hydra dynamic' thing despite that being the smallest part of why I continue to push you.
You're literally pleading for me to drop off of you for 24 hours hoping the pressure will die down?
Seriously?

[Shoshin the worst]

In that case, I don't understand why you're pushing us entirely. Sorry.

I need to take a break from the thread (running late for work) -- I'll catch you later?

[Taly]

ugh one at a time please

[Almost Chara]

All caught up. Time to get us shot tonight.

Preliminary lynch pool (in no particular order): Shoshin the worst, Mewtaph, u r a person 2, pinturucchio, nicorobin, Kokichi Oma

Everyone else is on the positive side of null to some degree.

Disclaimer: I have not discussed any reads/reasoning with Chara yet. Thi8s preliminary list is subject to change when we do get to discuss stuff in the PT. After all, it's D1 and Chara is the one with the gift of tone reading alignments.

~The guy watching TV, playing Mafia, following a soccer game and eating all at the same time.

[pinturicchio]

Hey, I forgot this existed. I'm going to catch up now. Just skimmed this page and saw the votecount: UNVOTE: shoshin the worst , let's see what happened there.

By the way Shoshin and duck, could you sign your posts please? I don't know Shoshin and I think I can somewhat read the aussie

[Taly]

@STW

Spoiler: WARNING: huge textwall shit, its not too long, everyone should read it especially STW

elaborate please?

tbh, all of my posts before 132 were reaction tests.

I knew my 'townvibes' 43 and 60 were both flippant and random.

I knew I deflected your vote/questionnaire about my thought on Kokichi by focusing on you wagon. 60 and 81

Part of my motivation was to actually understand why you thought the Kokichi townvibe I gave was awkward; I've never had much gameplay with Kokichi so I took his posts by the fact that I believed he wanted people to discuss his claim and never followed it up with serious remarks. The other part was because I wanted to read both of you without the wagon influencing me, STW. Other than Almost50, and Nancy, you two are the only people who have seen me as BOTH alignments.

I wanted to see what conclusions you'd draw about me based off my posting, so I can see how genuine and constructed your read on me was.

I also wanted you to actually engage with the wagon on you, without being distracted by myself. Thus the prompts to your wagon.

I townread your guys' slot, and now I feel a bit more confident saying this as I've seen the thread unravel.

ewe're 7 pages in and the only person not circularly shitposting about misunderstanding out hydra dynamic seems to be Taly

The rest of this post is genuine frustration with the playerlist, which I like.

I also understand why you scumread me here, because BOTH of you have seen me get far and WIN my scum-games through deepwolfing, and defending town mislynches for towncred.

But this is misguided. Quickwagons are really stupid and whether someone signs as a hydra are not is NAI most of the time, tbh. My townlean on you guys was the real reason why I voiced against the wagon. (Also because I disliked some reasoning around some people's votes there, ones that were serious including ProFlavor's and I need to reread Alchemists')

taly is the kind of player capable of writing in a narrative driven fashion which means if we alert him to what were looking at/for too early, we'll lose what momentum we do have.
~ the worst & Shoshin

I'm flattered you guys think I'm this good as scum... but I think you guys underestimate my perceptiveness as town.

But this reinforces my point above. You both are using meta-logic to explain an early read on me, on how I make consistent narratives as scum.

Yet the only focal point I've made are two stances that I gathered through a 1v1 between you and Varsoon, which I townread both of you on. There's no motivation or means I could get towncred by posturing myself around your potential lynch if nobody is even entertaining my train of thought.

[Taly]

k

short synopsis of the above:
- I've been gauging for reactions over my posts.
- More reasoned and genuine thought behind STW townread

time for the smaller shit

[Taly]

i read over the isos

varsoon could be right

but i don't want this lynch anymore right now

I think I'll join you on Taly.

VOTE: Taly
Hi Taly,
Would you kindly talk to me about your varsoon read (or any read you have other than Shoshin the worst)

I guess you could say my Vars read is partially tone/meta... I mean, I've hydrae'd with this man before, and have played games with him since 2015.

Here's some bullet points for my townread there:
- very pushy with this scumreads, and is directly pleading for a straight-forward answer
- asking questions and making assessments that are genuinely hard to fake, since he's hinted at having multiple reads
- aware of his own reads and is not letting anyone distract him from that
- reads genuine frustration

like, i could voice more and better reasons probably (alongside an actual town-case ISO), but im fairly confident with Vars-town with his constant desire for productive content, its very obvtown.

also, if Vars were scum, i think he would be casting suspicion on me more for going AGAINST his number 1 lynch with STW

[Taly]

evidence please and ty~ Taly

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77702

woof

Would like to know if you still hold that STW scumread, and if you actually have any other read...

What do you think of u r a person 2's vote with STW?

Then walk me through how 105 warranted your vote because it's plainly obvious that it wasn't factual.

Yes it wasn’t factual. They were just bs’ing a reason to not sign posts after people gave meta reasons as to why they should sign.

This sounds like a bit too easy of a reason to push for a lynch...

Like it felt obvious that even STW knew this.

[Taly]

Mephistophanes is an iffy read at the moment... Ari has contributed almost little to nothing of a unique thought, and I thought Nancy would do more than "just misuderstand" STW's hydra "not gonna sign" thing

Almost Chara obvtowned in 191

Like I can't see how scum would group such a specific area of people in a lynch pool, and proceed to give an honest positive read to the rest of the playerlist with the amount of chaos and town communication barriers present in the game thus far. (A 1v1, an L-1'd wagon that spawned from RVS initially, etc.)

By the way, can you explain your lynch pool Almost?

[Taly]

like if the past 8 pages is an example of town's height in scumhunting this game then im very worried

[Taly]

also for everyone who disagrees with me on STW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated

*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me how Mephisto isn't scum