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Post Post #275  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:34 am

In post 205, Shoshin the worst wrote:VOTE: u r a person 2


Why?
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Post Post #276  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:47 am

In post 232, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 225, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:^^^ You know who the fuck this is because nancy isn't on board with this shit and I've made it clear I am. Not signing it.

Ari, i know you're trying to make a point here, but please sign your posts. not sometimes because "it's obvious", or because you said something only you would say.
for players like me, who already get easily confused when playing games due to genuine memory issues, i often can't tell who's posting anyway, or i need to expend effort to do so. it matters less if Nancy is signing every single time, and you aren't, but it takes so little effort to just do.

it means that instead of seeing the post and knowing it's you, i now i have to go and make sure it isn't just Nancy changing her mind, and i also have to remember that Nancy made the point about disliking it at all. that sounds easy, but it isn't, for me.
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I’m actually surprised by Ari’s strongly different reaction because he hasn’t said too much about it in our Discord chat. That said, I 100% agree with AC’s view on that.
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Post Post #277  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:52 am

In post 233, Shoshin the worst wrote:Hey Gamma, nice to play with you again. Any thoughts on U2's alignment?



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For you A50, :wink:
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Post Post #278  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:55 am

In post 276, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I’m actually surprised by Ari’s strongly different reaction because he hasn’t said too much about it in our Discord chat. That said, I 100% agree with AC’s view on that.
Yeah, sorry about that.

Apparently I feel strongly about this...
Developped the more I read this dumb shit clogging the thread.

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Post Post #279  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:13 am

In post 236, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 232, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 225, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:^^^ You know who the fuck this is because nancy isn't on board with this shit and I've made it clear I am. Not signing it.

Ari, i know you're trying to make a point here, but please sign your posts. not sometimes because "it's obvious", or because you said something only you would say.
for players like me, who already get easily confused when playing games due to genuine memory issues, i often can't tell who's posting anyway, or i need to expend effort to do so. it matters less if Nancy is signing every single time, and you aren't, but it takes so little effort to just do.

it means that instead of seeing the post and knowing it's you, i now i have to go and make sure it isn't just Nancy changing her mind, and i also have to remember that Nancy made the point about disliking it at all. that sounds easy, but it isn't, for me.
~Chara

With a post like that where they name drop their hydra partner it’s pretty easy to tell, though. Unless they were being extremely weird and speaking about themselves in 3rd person.
-the irradiated gemstone


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Yeah, I think if you reference your hydra partner in a post, it’s pretty damned obvious.
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Post Post #280  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 am

In post 242, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 217, u r a person 2 wrote:I've also noticed pintu promising a catch up, and I've been watching to see if he was going to follow through. I guess it's been long enough to plop a vote there.

VOTE: Pintu

Hey you!

What do you think of pintu's post so far? I'd be interested to hear. I had a conversation with the voice in my head about it earlier.


Did it quack?

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Post Post #281  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:39 am

Spoiler: Replying to the presumably Nancy head
Yeah, Nancy... I was referring to Undertale as a towngame you took part in. :roll:

In post 262, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 186, Varsoon wrote:I'm not raging, Shoshin--I'm applying pressure to your slot and I don't appreciate your multiple attempts to rewrite my push on you as anything but.

I'd love to talk about Taly, but you've decided to dodge that subject entirely.
So, nah, I don't wanna talk about anyone else.
I want you lynched.


Are you townreading Taly then? Because unless you think they’re wrong, I think you shouldn’t disregard this.
'

So you think Varsoon should drop his scumread push on STW just because he doesn't feel as strongly on another scumread player?

In post 263, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 193, Taly wrote:@STW


Wrt the underlined, when have I seen town!you? I only remember playing with scum!you in Labrynth. If you’re possibly referring to Undertale, then I probably don’t remember. Sorry.


I spent an entire post constructing my thoughts so far in the game and townreading STW.... and you only comment about me mentioning you in the games I've played?

...

In post 266, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 197, Taly wrote:Mephistophanes is an iffy read at the moment... Ari has contributed almost little to nothing of a unique thought, and I thought Nancy would do more than "just misuderstand" STW's hydra "not gonna sign" thing

Almost Chara obvtowned in

Like I can't see how scum would group such a specific area of people in a lynch pool, and proceed to give an honest positive read to the rest of the playerlist with the amount of chaos and town communication barriers present in the game thus far. (A 1v1, an L-1'd wagon that spawned from RVS initially, etc.)

By the way, can you explain your lynch pool Almost?


What part of our not actually voting them, did you miss?


So you've been posting in this game all this time and haven't conjured a strong scumread or townread, or are even pushing to acquire one?

The fact that you spent multiple posts debating with STW and disagreeing with Ari on how to handle their "not signing" thing while you don't place or vote or do anything else doesn't ring to me as town-motivated.

Do you have reads aside from Vars and STW?

In post 268, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 199, Taly wrote:also for everyone who disagrees with me on STW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated

*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me how Mephisto isn't scum :)


We’re not. And why are we scum here? Based on?

I don’t like this post. You have no basis to sr us and you formulating this like this is somehow obvious to anyone other than lobotomised individuals, is really scummy af.


Yeah, I do have a REASON to suspect you/ari as scum. For the amount of posting both of you have done, there's very little content.

You keep putting up the defense of "you're being really scummy" and "why scumread us" but you're not actually entertaining why, aside from painting my posts toward you as pro-scum.

Hell, it took a LITTLE post of me pushing for responses on your slot, and your next posts are to disregard any content I've had with multiple people in the game, and minimize any thought I have over you.

The fact that you don't put up a vote and just continue to 'mildly entertain' my wagon in , doesn't read as genuine.

And if you're going to make the bullshit argument that I'm posturing, then why not evaluate the TvT between STW and Vars that I concluded from my own reads? You're making multiple accusations without really looking anything deeper than a centimeter into my posts.

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In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 191, Almost Chara wrote:All caught up. Time to get us shot tonight. :P

Preliminary lynch pool (in no particular order): Shoshin the worst, Mewtaph, u r a person 2, pinturucchio, nicorobin, Kokichi Oma

Everyone else is on the positive side of null to some degree.

Disclaimer: I have not discussed any reads/reasoning with Chara yet. Thi8s preliminary list is subject to change when we do get to discuss stuff in the PT. After all, it's D1 and Chara is the one with the gift of tone reading alignments.

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And while this is an easy throwaway post for scum, coming in when it did seems towny.


I actually made a reason behind why I thought Almost was town by this point... but you make the whole statement of "it could be scum, but it's appearing towny" isn't a concrete read...

In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 193, Taly wrote:
In post 181, Shoshin the worst wrote:taly is the kind of player capable of writing in a narrative driven fashion which means if we alert him to what were looking at/for too early, we'll lose what momentum we do have.
~ the worst & Shoshin


I'm flattered you guys think I'm this good as scum... but I think you guys underestimate my perceptiveness as town. :P

But this reinforces my point above. You both are using meta-logic to explain an early read on me, on how I make consistent narratives as scum.

Yet the only focal point I've made are two stances that I gathered through a 1v1 between you and Varsoon, which I townread both of you on. There's no motivation or means I could get towncred by posturing myself around your potential lynch if nobody is even entertaining my train of thought.
Two interessting points.
One is that I don't think you are outside your scungame yet, so I'll be keeping you in mind as the game progresses.
Second is the TvT read of S&W and Var. Can you explain the last line of this quote to me please?


I'm saying, the only major even I've responded to in this game so far, is STW/Vars when they were 1v1ing, and I concluded they were both town off my own reasons.

:igmeou: And what are you talking about Ari? You've never played with me as scum to my memory.

And also, why is "Taly's not outside of his scumgame" a reason to not try and view town-motivation in my posts?

In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 197, Taly wrote:Mephistophanes is an iffy read at the moment... Ari has contributed almost little to nothing of a unique thought, and I thought Nancy would do more than "just misuderstand" STW's hydra "not gonna sign" thing
I've had unique thoughts!!! </3


Where are they?

In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 199, Taly wrote:also for everyone who disagrees with me on STW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated

*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me how Mephisto isn't scum :)
Because our Role PM was green :P
Nice appreviation btw! Mephisto sounds awesome =D


<3 Please explain why you and Nancy are confident I'm going to flip red, and if I'm making a wrong conclusion about your read, give me a reason as to why I am.

In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 201, Varsoon wrote:I forgot how much I love Taly-posting.
It's been too looong.

I don't know what to make of Mephisto. They kept coming up with excuses/outs for STW to take, which rang a bit awkward to me.
Well you keep being ridiculous. I'm just trying to be a reasonable party in all of this!


Reasonable... and ineffective. :roll:


...I really want STW to jump into the thread and explain their read on me AND reply to my spoiler to them, because at the moment, I can't find a town-motivated reason for anyone else to push a scumread on me UNLESS they actually give THEIR OWN opinion. :igmeou:
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Post Post #282  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:40 am

In post 142, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 137, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.

This is sound.

My vote's on there in spirit as well.

Also Alchemist feels town.
UNVOTE:

~Jimothy


Could you explain the Alchemist townread?
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Post Post #283  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:40 am

In post 228, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 185, u r a person 2 wrote:i read over the isos

varsoon could be right

but i don't want this lynch anymore right now

I think I'll join you on Taly.

VOTE: Taly
Hi Taly,
Would you kindly talk to me about your varsoon read (or any read you have other than Shoshin the worst)

At this point I see nothing to indicate Taly is not simply misled here
@Grecian philosopher: I guess you have a point, if it was from a hydra that was signing seriously I’d really have a problem but since they’re already taking the piss here it’s understandable, not that I like it any more.
-Gemerald (shout-outs to Ari, the originator of this nickname!)


Wait, are you saying you think I'm wrong about my reads? Or that the wagon on me is wrong?
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Post Post #284  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:42 am

In post 230, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 199, Taly wrote:also for everyone who disagrees with me on STW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated

*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me how Mephisto isn't scum :)

Why? My partner has stated they want to locktown Nancystophanes and I’m mildly inclined to agree rn. So tell me what scummy things you see there?
-that damn fourth Chaos Emerald


Namely the points in my recent reply to both heads.

I haven't played with either of them enough to "locktown" meta read on them on anything... so could you explain that read?
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Post Post #285  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:43 am

In post 265, Varsoon wrote:I don't have an informed read on Taly yet. Leaning more town there than not right now. Wish Shoshin wouldn't dodge responsibility for their read there, wish you wouldn't consistently chainsaw the slot either, Mephisto.


Yeah, I'd like to know why Mephisto's read on me is specifically centered around STW's explanation
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Post Post #286  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:44 am

:igmeou: im not filling the thread with quote-walls btw
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Post Post #287  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:45 am

In post 241, Kokichi Oma wrote:Prodge


VOTE: Kokichi Oma

Would this help you contribute?
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Post Post #288  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:49 am

fuck i completely missed page 9
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Post Post #289  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:50 am

In post 209, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Did we get an andwer to this? Could we, Taly?


ISO ME. I MADE A SPECIFIC POST ON MY VARS TOWNREAD.
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Post Post #290  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:51 am

Oh wait, wrong explanation.

this is why i dont do larges much anymore...

of Ari

I explained the post AFTER about an answer to the question here.
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Post Post #291  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:55 am

In post 219, Almost Chara wrote:i'm unwilling to dismiss Varsoon vs. STW as TvT


in my spoiler to STW, I explained my thoughts on them, do you think they're posts are town-indicative or scum?

also... really would like to know more about STW's vote on u r a person 2...
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Post Post #292  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:58 am

Spoiler: video expressing my mood exactly right now... *contains swearing*
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Post Post #293  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:59 am

In post 265, Varsoon wrote:I don't have an informed read on Taly yet. Leaning more town there than not right now. Wish Shoshin wouldn't dodge responsibility for their read there, wish you wouldn't consistently chainsaw the slot either, Mephisto.

@Mewtaph: Why would it be entertaining if NotChara crumbed that?


Can I not disagree with you on this? All last game, I was wracking my brain, trying to figure out why very little of Shoshin’s play made any sense, based on what I know of her meta and with just a few posts, I feel better about them here, then I ever did once in that entire game, because Shoshin’s play, she they stopped being a smartass, is reminding me of what I remember from Labrynth - something that never happened even once in Starcraft 1.

So, if they keep this up and don’t replicate any of the weird shit they did last game, I’ll continue to tr them.

~N

That said, I still am not a fan of their synchronized reads thing but you have to base your read on content and can’t you see how it’s very different from last game?
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Post Post #294  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:01 am

In post 222, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 148, Taly wrote:Also, I've never heard specific phrases come from specific alignments in people... so the "stretch your mind" tell doesn't make sense to me?

UNVOTE:

I know it happens, iirc that’s how Ellibereth became so good at scumhunting
-G. Cash


this is very new to me
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Post Post #295  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:03 am

In post 273, Michael Scott wrote:Townleaning Nancy's slot as well now. :P

~Jim


:o

Did the appocalypse happen? When did Auro start to read me correctly? :lol:
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Post Post #296  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:11 am

In post 245, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
-Gamma Quadrant
PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
Also, if tw and U2 form a hydra it should be called Detroit Become Human.


I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.


Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)


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Post Post #297  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:15 am

In post 253, Mewtaph wrote:Not really following this. Why does scum-to-town not give an out at all? Why does the described scum-to-scum scenario have to involve Mephistophanes 39 giving an out to Shoshin the worst at all?


Scum to Town doesn’t because they want the pressure to stay on the Town slot.

And you’re with me on tbe scum to scum scenario, it doesn’t happen, at least not in the game thread.
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Post Post #298  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:16 am

Yeah, Taly's town.
Alchemist is town.

Need to sort:
Kokichi, who should be more present and who's IC claim only makes sense one way that I can figure
Pint, who seems to really be slipping under the radar.


I'm still good for a STW lynch, all that said.

@Mephisto: Keep in mind that Shoshin was 3P that actually had to scumhunt in Starcraft 1, whereas here Shoshin would just be hard scum having to fake scumreads.

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Post Post #299  (ISO)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:16 am

In post 254, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 162, Alchemist21 wrote:Are you asking us or the hydra?


The hydra. How are you an “us” btw? :lol:

~N


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