Right, and I gave you everything i could think of on it to give you the best chance of making a read. I'm just saying treat my answer in the same good faith, charitable manner that I acted in when responding to it.In post 424, Shoshin the worst wrote:Having someone give an elaborate explanation of something pretty simple often gives more insight into mindset, than having them quickly summarise something quite a lot lengthier.
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I have so many goddamned things to say but no time to do it.
I guess you'll have to wait for another slurry of response posts, probably tomorrow. Sorry about that!ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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I guess you'll have to wait for another slurry of response posts, probably tomorrow. Sorry about that!
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okay, Pintu
I think Pintu's read on Varsoon is fine. Easily in both pintu ranges.
Pintu's case on me boils down to fence sitting and jumping off the stw wagon.
Fine. I've been unsure of myself all game due to hydras, experience between other players, etc. And I did get off STW's wagon. That's a fact.
What I've been digesting is the all-encompassing nature of Pin's read. Consider first the unvote:
Pin sees my action as scummy in relation to the flip regardless of which way the flip goes.In post 388, pinturicchio wrote:So in case STW is scum, URAP2's unvote means "oh shit this got way too dangerous", and if STW is town, then URAP2's unvote means "oh shit this got way too dangerous". Perfect.
And second,
Spoiler: spoiled for space
Pintu argues in the first quote that if my vote is for pressure it's scummy because it's fence sitting
And in the second quote he argues that if my vote is because of a scum read then that is scummy because it would "at least be understandable" if I "just want to put some pressure on the slot"
Either of these arguments would be less revealing in a vacuum, but in my experience when a player gets to the point that their fos looks scummy from every possible angle, that player is town that has lost their way.
I also don't think I've ever been less than clear about my reasoning for voting pintu, regardless of what some would like to believe. Here is my vote on pintu
So that points to pintu townIn post 217, u r a person 2 wrote:I've also noticed pintu promising a catch up, and I've been watching to see if he was going to follow through. I guess it's been long enough to plop a vote there.
VOTE: Pintu
That same post reads town to me from a basic meta perspective. I've played one game with scum!pintu and zero with town!pintu and he felt reasonable, almost conservative in his stances in a way that contrasts with the certainty and bravado(wordchoice fail) of his catchup
So I don't like the push, and I wouldn't recommend sheeping pintu, but he feels town.
VOTE: unvote
I've gone and found myself with too many town reads, and that was something I was trying to avoid having happen in my early game.
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I can confidently assure you they're Irish aligned.In post 233, Shoshin the worst wrote:Hey Gamma, nice to play with you again. Any thoughts on U2's alignment?
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What's wrong with being a duck?? (Really cheap shot, I know)In post 237, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I apologize for being a dick and whatnot!
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More to it: If it looks logical then it'ss Chara. If it looks too convoluted ir moonlogicky it's A50.
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Scummy! (but that's always the case with you, I guess) *Sigh*In post 241, Kokichi Oma wrote:Prodge
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That's nothing compared to the MIGHTY POWERS we have here. We are a WMD (Weapon of Mass Destruction for those unfamiliar with the abbreviation), Once we detonate EVERYONE dies (including the mod).In post 253, Mewtaph wrote:it would've been somewhat entertaining if you "breadcrumbed" that you were an SK -ahem- I mean town vigilante.- Almost Chara
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What does my townread on STW has anything to do with that?In post 431, u r a person 2 wrote:@pintu You are town reading TW here, and in 1905 you watched me hold out and not claim my cop role when at effectively L-1 with the IC telling me to claim
So why do you think I would be the first to crack on a quick town wagon?
And I don't understand what you're implying, or at least if it is what I think it is, I don't get what's your point. Are you implying that in 1905 you proved that you act efficiently under pressure and that means you would not unvote here because of that? 'Cause 1. there's a big difference being under pressure explicitly (an L-1 situation) vs pressure that only you can recognize, and 2. being under pressure as town is different from being under pressure as scum.
I think you're scum, and that you thought people wouldn't recognize that you were under pressure by unvoting STW, so that's it.- pinturicchio
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About your long post about me:
- I think you're trying to depict me as crazy ol' Jenkins in order to discredit my scumread on you. You basically talked about how you read me instead of defending yourself about your scummy progression.
- I like Tibor and Lumia, I know pretty well both of them and I usually read them correctly. I think they're town. Gonna ask Pin what he thinks but I'm pretty sure he'll say town too.
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Nah, I'm not trying to discredit your scumread, Mr. Jenkins. Well, I kind of am. I think you have to pick a side. If the wagon analysis looks scummy regardless of the flip, then really what's the point of the analysis? You're basically saying that it's universally scummy to jump off of a quick wagon, and that's obviously nonsense.In post 444, pinturicchio wrote:About your long post about me:
- I think you're trying to depict me as crazy ol' Jenkins in order to discredit my scumread on you. You basically talked about how you read me instead of defending yourself about your scummy progression.
- I like Tibor and Lumia, I know pretty well both of them and I usually read them correctly. I think they're town. Gonna ask Pin what he thinks but I'm pretty sure he'll say town too.
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Pick a side; we're at war. ;P
And yes, I am fundamentally more interested in reading you than on defending myself.
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Sorry but I felt it important to clarify that I wasn’t suspicious of her for lurking. The Por Flavor thing was Ari. Ari, please stop that.In post 380, Alchemist21 wrote:
Wtf that question wasn’t for you. Maybe you should stop signing as por flavor.In post 371, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
No, I’m not suspicious of Nico for lurking, she does that a lot as town, especially on D1. It’s what she said, that is making me suspicious. That’s why I want to get her answer to my question.In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.
That makes sense. I still think they’re very similar pushes but I see what you’re saying. You’re probably Town.In post 374, ProFlavor wrote:
Nicos 2nd post came across like “ugh fine I’ll play if I must” - like a setup for later so she can be like “I’m lurking because I told you I’m already not really engaged in this game” (it’s a weak read on one sentence tbh)In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.
U R is more like “I’m don’t see pint doing anything so I’ll just apply pressure” - I note his point that he knows Pint and wants to sort that slot - but I’m sure U r knows how to play the game in general so there are plenty of other dudes to sort - sticking on a read that basically consists of “he’s not doing anything” makes me think he wants to line up the rest of his reads to “fit in” with town - you can’t do that whilst (up to page 11 which I’ve read properly) most of the game has been about STW because you don’t know who is going to obvtown or scum it up
So I feel like U r is biding his time on an easy read
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My point was, that scum!duck was planning to get away with keeping us in his,POE - despite my answering his questions - something he persisted in ignoring and when he finally acknowledged that I was engaging with him fully, unlike in Heroes, he still scumleaned me and I had 0 intention of allowing him to get away with it.In post 381, Varsoon wrote:
Shitty reads are an inherent part of mafia. Players swapping at the table in long-form play is not a design element of the game.In post 367, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Game integrity is also compromised by shitty reads, so there’s that too,
Anyway.
I heard that the lurk-meta on Nico indicates scum there but I don't really know if that's true or not.
One of the dumbest mistakes scum makes in any game is pushing me. I always wind up making them regret it, one way or another.
But, I 100% <3 tw - hands down, one of the best people I’ve ever met, on MS or anywhere.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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