Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[Creature]

DDL AND BEF THIS HAS TO BE SETTING OFF ALARMS TOO RIGHT?

Depends on what flips your read on them rely on.

[Creature]

There are going to be more mislynches b/c there are always going to be more town in a game and most players are bad and scummy anyways.

Yet I still can't say Vork is just bad and scummy town?

[Creature]

It ain't Vorkuta either.

You could like expand, right?

[Creature]

[1] mbaki : Vorkuta 1119
[1] Varsoon : Creature 1033
[1] BrightEyedFish : Suka 1168
[1] DrDolittle : Varsoon 1257
[1] Suka : Kmd4390 1260

[1] Not Voting : Leodanny

Lol.

You see: no real counterwagon attempt. The only players actually doing something are all targetting each other.

[Creature]

More votes on Bright, please!

Why?

[Creature]

Like NC goes line by line through my ISO and points out that I'm not doing 100% town things with every single one of my posts.

He cherrypicked posts where you didn't do anything. Maybe you can do the inverse?

[Creature]

Some of you do give out town reads left and right for literally the dumbest reasons imaginable- case in point garbage (no offense creature ) like this

lmao check the post number

I think I have changed that read through day 1

[Creature]

I'm probably giving a way too easy townread on rb

[Creature]

I have this cherrypicking problem too. People on MU would quote about half my posts that they consider contentless and argue that I didn't do anything, then I would ask them: "what about the other half?"

[Creature]

Cool at L-1 now. Not claiming without an intent to hammer.
Remember who's on my wagon and who's not on my wagon.

DDL and BEF just passively jumped on it because 'meh why not'. Hell- in DDL's case this basically started off as a counter wagon so he'll gladly jump on any life raft offered.
Oka.... gave up on the mbaki lynch attempt.
Mbaki and NC are actively pushing it, and providing (bad) reasons for them.

Who do you think would scumread you the less as town?

[Creature]

should we stall the lynch for as long as possible so that when day 3 rolls around leo and varsoon will be back from vla and forced to participate

Well, thankfully Leodanny is about to get replaced. If mod let him not post one week because of some shitty V/LA when he was pretty aware when he signed up to play this game then I would replace out as a riot.

Varsoon is clearly prod-dodging, but still respecting the activity rules. Well, in that case it's up for us to lynch him because he's either clearly scum or town being a nuisance.

[Creature]

And I don't want the day over anyway. I'm not yet happy with this lynch and there are too many players "blending in" to feel good about this lynch. I expected more movimentation if we were actually hitting scum.

[Creature]

i guess

zzz

but that means we are going to be prodging until deadline? sounds like how you kill momentum

If you feel so convinced Vork must be scum, then you can use your time to develop a townblock (preferably not relying on a scumflip though). It's not very enjoyable when a player is like "I'm convinced X is scum, let's end the day so we can see his/her flip"

[Creature]

Obviously I'd love to completely town read suka and varsoon for defending me

They were defending you? Where?

[Creature]

Oka has been

harassed

bullied by mbaki the entire time

That's some serious accusation to make as scum...

[Creature]

tries to do experiment with something new

NAI

It could've been pre-planned before the receival of role PM.

[Creature]

I'll defer to the rest of you on what his alignment is because the amount of fluff posting and completely unwarranted random 'X is town' or 'X is scum' without any explanation and selective ignoring of certain questions screams scum to me.

You actually described my towngame, congrats.

[Creature]

Selectively ignoring certain questions is my favorite.

[Creature]

Varsoon I town read for the same reason I town read Suka

Suka reads as someone who has successfully avoided a wagon and is now trying to force push a BEF agenda.

Huh what?

[Creature]

BEF has been bullied by mbaki (and a few others )

[Creature]

I get the feeling that there's a bit of LAMIST in his posts

Something good to start.

[Creature]

Please don't townread that awful post because it has a lot of words.

What about the bully part?

[Creature]

Vorkuta is literally townreading those who townread him reflexively.

He doesn't seem to be townreading me...

[Creature]

[1] mbaki : Vorkuta 1119
[1] Varsoon : Creature 1033
[1] BrightEyedFish : Suka 1168
[1] DrDolittle : Varsoon 1257
[1] Suka : Kmd4390 1260

[1] Not Voting : Leodanny

Lol.

You see: no real counterwagon attempt. The only players actually doing something are all targetting each other.

This is such an awful argument, man. I was at l-2 so you could call me the counterwagon, but he only has 1 partner and that's only 1 vote to start one. There's 4 other wagons total.

Actually I think he appeared as a counterwagon to you...

[Creature]

My memory is not very good, but I'll try to find it.

[Creature]

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72542 is the best example I could find.

In the last day I pegged the entire scumteam (3 left) and I had to defend a clear mislynch from some other dumbtown, still I failed.

Though, at that game I didn't put much reasoning behind, only kept pointing scum are obviously the three I pointed.

[Creature]

I also remember I had plenty of games I said "he/she's flipping town", but I just didn't put much effort into defending them and they obviously ended flipping town.

[Creature]

The reason I let plenty of mislynches go is because of my irrational fear of being wrong.

[Creature]

What about townreads?

[Creature]

I probably have a trouble understanding why the "mbaki confirmed scum" can be anything more than WIFOM.

[Creature]

but in the scenario where this is your town game shouldn't you want to lynch one of mbaki or vork?

That's assuming I'm a sheep, but I like to have my own reads.

[Creature]

but in the scenario where this is your town game shouldn't you want to lynch one of mbaki or vork?

That's assuming I'm a sheep, but I like to have my own reads.

[Creature]

I still think Creature's content is p bad but then again I always think his content is bad. lol

The situation reminds me of viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76709

I forget the specifics but we were going to lynch a certain player and then Creature was sideline voting (like he's doing here)

I was practically going with the consensus there. Like, if I was scum with Vork/mbaki, I would likely be voting the other.

[Creature]

I mean, if Vork is scum only one of Creature/Oka can be scum. I still lean Oka or maybe Vork is town and it's Oka/Creature. Idk.

but flipping Vork makes alot of sense to me.

I don't think you're doing your detective job well.

[Creature]

Vork flip needs to be the flip today

Are you ready for a townflip?

[Creature]

Vork flip needs to be the flip today

Are you ready for a townflip?

Why not explain why he's a town flip?

Wasn't someone complaining I was defending him the last few pages?

[Creature]

1373 I meant more "what if Vork is a townflip?"

because it seems like we'll start the next day from the scratch (or push another mislynch bait like mbaki through an obviously non-crumb) if Vork turns out to be town

[Creature]

If you see what I quoted, it's what I find unlikely to come from scum.

[Creature]

Actually

VOTE: Varsoon

[Creature]

Varsoon is clearly posting elsewhere

[Creature]

there is so much content that has been made, we need flips to give us insight imo

I don't think you're even ready in the case both mbaki and Vorkuta turn out to be town like I am thinking.

[Creature]

is that ur case

In my land someone blatantly prod-dodging, refusing to do shit and thread-dodging is always lynched with fire.

[Creature]

would you lynch nero or DDL imo

press 1 for nero and 2 for DDL tbh

Also are you still looking for partner crumbs?

[Creature]

chances that they are both scum > chances one of them is scum >> none of them scum

Wait, was it that easy?

[Creature]

Apparently I changed your mind?

[Creature]

I posted a possible crumb that DDL and NC are the mainscum and apparently you agree they're more likely both scum than not?

[Creature]

Is it still because of rb crumb or have you given up about it and it's now something else?

[Creature]

bbl we are just spamming the thread at this point

because every other town is hardlurking

[Creature]

For whoever reading this thread and considering replacing in:

I think Leodanny is town and this is a promising game if we have talkative players around

[Creature]

I just pointed out what alternatively could also be partner crumb, why am I wrong?

[Creature]

because it comes later in the grand scheme of things.

if im traitor, im crumbing early to make first impressions.

context wise it also doesn't make as much sense to be a crumb.

You'd want to show you know who both partners are and not have mainscum think you could be just town that apparently hit right.

[Creature]

Oh hi Dannflor, I hope you're ready to argue with players that still think there's some serious crumb on rb's ISO.

[Creature]

yeah which is why doing it early would be the best.

but we're doing it for days and I think that there could simply have no crumbs at all.

[Creature]

and for vorkuta its crumb hunting.

When? Haven't you been doing that?

I confess I've been looking at rb's ISO during some moments. I still think presuming there's a crumb is an unnecessary risk.

[Creature]

maybe but thats kinda objectively terrible traitor play and i dont think rb is an objectively terrible player

You don't really need to crumb and risk making it obvious enough for some town to catch it. Like, playing nully enough to not be lynched nor widely townread is already enough and that's what rb has been doing.

[Creature]

no like crumb hunting before flip

When?

[Creature]

I think Vorkuta had in mind town PR breadcrumbing.

[Creature]

how is that a pr breadcrumb?

How can saying "wow" even be considered traitor crumbing?

[Creature]

Why would he point out the crumb in the game thread?

[Creature]

Vork: "Is this a breadcrumb?"
rb: "Yes"
Vork: "So are you a traitor?"
rb: "No, I'm a bird"

[Creature]

Whatever

My ego is like too big to let scum win some amazing mislynch

[Creature]

I'll probably just delay this enough for Dann to catch up.

[Creature]

Meanwhile we should start hardpressing Varsoon. It's pretty fair to require someone to play or otherwise eat a lynch.

[Creature]

Pressing someone V/LA isn't magically gonna make them not be V/LA.

I'm pretty sure Varsoon is able to post.

[Creature]

You can check his activity yourself.

[Creature]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Creature]

but none of us except for mbaki self voted

VOTE: Creature

[Creature]

Scum, especially an experienced player, never gets that angry at that state of the game. There's also no reason for scum to manufacture that rage.

What about accidentally killing traitor though?

[Creature]

It ain't Vorkuta either.

[Creature]

I mean technically why would anyone make the nk on rb at that point then right? We all see the same things.

Maybe it was interpreted as a TPR crumb rather than a traitor crumb?

[Creature]

He asks if that is rb's scum slip.

*scumtell

[Creature]

Damn, I think this is becoming pure confbias/tunnel that will never stop.

[Creature]

I think it's too beyond words

[Creature]

I'm back to thinking DDL is scum

[Creature]

Also I should go back to VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Creature]

maybe? I think it's dangerous to underestimate new players.

I don't play mafia with the mindset someone can fake something pretty well unless I experienced it directly or indirectly. I'd be pretty screwed if I read any post this game as something any scum could easily fake.

[Creature]

+ new players can always be coached by scum buddies

Only if there's an encryptor.

[Creature]

Yea what, do they have day talk?

-The Mafia private thread remaining open during the day would be dependent on the existence and survival of a Mafia Encryptor.

[Creature]

maybe? I think it's dangerous to underestimate new players.

Yet, you're underestimating mbaki, an experienced player, by insinuating a self vote is the scummiest thing about him. Self voting is a newb scum tell.

Love the way it sounds like I am afraid of new players.

[Creature]

Besides, even if Vork lives today, are we letting him go anywhere lylo? Voting anywhere else today is silly.

You're gonna say the same for mbaki the next day and soon we're gonna be in LyLo with plenty other players we wouldn't want in LyLo.

[Creature]

tbh my ideal LyLo would be me + Dann + Oka vs the two scum

but I think that's too much to ask

[Creature]

hence why I'm trying to save some players from being mislynched because otherwise we'll have a LyLo of DDL + BEF + Varsoon + Kmd + Suka where Suka is likely going to get ganged at.

[Creature]

I still would rather lynch scum so we won't have to worry who's getting to LyLo.

[Creature]

We've been ignoring Kmd too much too

[Creature]

tbh my ideal LyLo would be me + Dann + Oka vs the two scum

but I think that's too much to ask

Why am I not allowed in your perfect LyLo crew?

You're not towny enough

[Creature]

I still would rather lynch scum so we won't have to worry who's getting to LyLo.

Vork is probably scum. DDL and mbaki are also potentials.

See

Your scumreads are the three potential mislynches

[Creature]

What if there were no crumbs at all?

[Creature]

Your scumreads are the three potential mislynches

You could basically say this to everyone with the info that we have now.

Players like Kmd and Varsoon are being massively ignored. While your three scumreads seem to be all the popular lynch options.

[Creature]

I mean, they aren't. I mentioned them a while ago and noted the lurking. Its just Vork is actively scummy.

What's your opinion on BEF having the three most popular lynch options as his scumreads?

[Creature]

I mean, they aren't. I mentioned them a while ago and noted the lurking. Its just Vork is actively scummy.

What's your opinion on BEF having the three most popular lynch options as his scumreads?

Maybe my SRs are popular because they are right.

but if you're not then you're doing exactly what most scum would do at this point, like I did at Heroes Wanted and Nero Cain could easily tell that.

[Creature]

I mean, they aren't. I mentioned them a while ago and noted the lurking. Its just Vork is actively scummy.

What's your opinion on BEF having the three most popular lynch options as his scumreads?

Maybe my SRs are popular because they are right.

but if you're not then you're doing exactly what most scum would do at this point, like I did at Heroes Wanted and Nero Cain could easily tell that.

If I played like you then wouldn't we have the same SRs? If not, then why compare my play to yours in a game that didn't even involve me.

My point is that consensus scumreading is scummy specially if those consensus are mostly town.

[Creature]

It's somewhat dumb to think that scum are all among the most popular scumreads.

[Creature]

wow VOTE: mbaki naked vote scummy imo..

wow mbaki wagon so good everyone should join me imo

wow im always serious imo

mbaki confirmed scum

Why would this ever be a partner crumb?

[Creature]

VOTE: rb

Serious votes before a third of the cast reports in.
I like it

VOTE: rb

wow found mbaki's partners imo

easy game

Do you think he's crumbing Vork and me as partners?

[Creature]

it's just unfortunate that suka probably isn't town otherwise we'd have a townbloc imo

wow such a shame tbh

Would this ever be a crumb?

[Creature]

he is crumbing DDL

Hmm, this is new

[Creature]

unless you mean because he was on DDL and Vork all day lol

[Creature]

I don't see how it is a crumb and not just one scumread any scum can make on anyone?

[Creature]

I don't see how it is a crumb and not just one scumread any scum can make on anyone?

Until someone tells us otherwise we should assume Scum nk'd rb. That means rb must have done something that stood out (aka SRing them) to scum and they just didn't realize it was a crumb.

You're still arguing it's a crumb though.

[Creature]

It'd be more effective if we just ignored whatever crumb rb possibly did and just focused on determining why rb was NKed.

[Creature]

It'd be more effective if we just ignored whatever crumb rb possibly did and just focused on determining why rb was NKed.

I think he was NK'd because he was openly SRing all scum members and they panicked and shot him.

We're back to:

@rb- are you like... breadcrumbing with your 'wow's everywhere?
Is this your scumtell?

As for the Yyotta lynch- she won't come back except to basically 'prod-dodge'.
She pulls this stuff in her other games with her acting surprised an RVS vote, and the resulting 'why meeee?'
I'd support the policy lynch on her, but it's very much NAI, and her flip either way won't give us anything (unless we jackpot a scum PR )

Why did Vork ignore this?

[Creature]

I don't see how it is a crumb and not just one scumread any scum can make on anyone?

Until someone tells us otherwise we should assume Scum nk'd rb. That means rb must have done something that stood out (aka SRing them) to scum and they just didn't realize it was a crumb.

You're still arguing it's a crumb though.

I believe it is a crumb. If you don't, that's your prerogative.

All "partner crumbs" besides mbaki, Vork and DDL:

Spoiler: [quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=10594638#p10594638

post 90[/url], rb"]wow so true imo

VOTE: suka

probably scum trying to pocket me by townreading me for saying wow[/quote]

wow suka's reads are 'maybe the scum are crossbussing for no reason on day1' imo

i think that's dumb but i do think DDL is scum and nero is town imo, so i can sort of accept that point of view on the basis that their interactions feel scummy tbh imo wow so true imo

How would you suggest we resolve Yyotta, Nero?

VOTE: Yyotta.

fuck 'em

ill also take a leodanny lynch

Ah Mafiascum, you never disappoint.

I thought you were new to MS? Another lie?

He can't meta me because I don't play here.

I'm from another mafia site, so I doubt you do, but good luck if so!

and...

Good for you I guess

so was this actually going anywhere or what?

BrightEyedFish wagon is now open for business

i'll gladly lynch either one

...

i dont think u are getting it

i can do all of that

but i think it would be better if i had flips to work off of

badposting

[Creature]

It'd be more effective if we just ignored whatever crumb rb possibly did and just focused on determining why rb was NKed.

Was he killed for scumreading Vorkuta?

Would assume an inexperienced partner.

[Creature]

mbaki simply wouldn't fit.

[Creature]

@Creature

If you help us lynch vork and he flips town, I will follow your lead tomorrow. Because if vork flips town then I am on the wrong path and will have to get myself back on track from a different angle.

The problem is: are you town?

[Creature]

Actually I could consider doing DDL

[Creature]

I just don't think rb has been crumbing DDL scum unless in a very specific post in a very specific way rather than through votes

[Creature]

I may be wrong about Vork, but I don't think I am wrong about the existence of crumbs.

Even if Vork flips town, it won't guarantee someone will go back to rb's ISO looking for "real crumbs" and pull another extremely shitty mislynch instead of doing the just usual scumhunting.

It's my job to put all this traitor crumb to rest and just go back to the old normal scumhunting, you can even convince me Vork is scum, as long you actually use his posts as argument and not rb's.

[Creature]

Also if rb is bad for not crumbing. Well, I am part of the particular set of players that never crumb as mafia traitor and I believe rb is also part of that set.

[Creature]

I think traitor should just hang low enough to not be lynched. Like, I can start scumtelling in a way my partners would deduce it's me but not town.

Or I can just stick with the former because I'm likely not getting nightkilled anyway.

[Creature]

tbh I wouldn't mind, specially if his claim could end all this bullshit for good.

[Creature]

"I much prefer MU to this site, the quality of games is signficantly higher in my experience."
"Ah Mafiascum, you never disappoint."
"4:9 is not something ms is capable of handling."

How is this useful and/or needed?

What about the rest you apparently cut off?

[Creature]

so it can be strong town if Vorkuta reds.

if Vork greens, then what?

[Creature]

I don't know what this means.

You're not talking enough about him

[Creature]

I'm feeling tempted to go back to DDL

[Creature]

Heh I'm all ears for Vork scumcases as long they completely ignore rb's crumbs.

[Creature]

First of all, this is a very personal attack (as is this whole post, such as with the constant use of bullying) and I don't appreciate it.

Is it scummy or just nothing?

[Creature]

I don't feel really convinced by post 1300

I could do Vork, but I'd rather other players get creative as well because I'm not conceding that lynch so easily if there are players not playing elsewhere.

[Creature]

Varsoon called Vork town and instaleft then never ever reappeared to ever explain this or even any other of his reads this game.

[Creature]

I don't really think Varsoon v Vork is w/w, so there's that

[Creature]

Post 728 is interesting when post 659 indicates more of a policy vote than anything.

[Creature]

So this post is bad because it might be construed as a cop claim and be fishing for something like that

He faked a guilty on Overkill 2

as town

[Creature]

The first sentence of this post is scum central.

It's near TWTBAW territory

[Creature]

Link to game?

Why don't we just push on Heb some more? Does anyone really have a TR on him? I would say he is guilty...

We would be well off with a heb lynch today. How many times do I have to hint at it?

If the guilty is not legit then there is something strange going on.

@protective roles
Keep my buddy RCE alive please or whoever you want around. My results could be tainted if heb flips town. Guess we see what I get tonight but if heb somehow flips town then I will only post my result if requested as to not skew peoples SRs.

[Creature]

The guilty is probably the only reason I could see BEF being town this game

Is it actually AI?

[Creature]

but my heart tells me Creature is Vorkuta's partner.

Hehe I'm more a busser

[Creature]

Then why would rb breadcrumb scum if it goes against rb's wincon?

crumbing is important to traitor so scum knows who you are

otherwise might as well be playing with one less player on scum team, and setup probably not balanced around that

You're still assuming rb thinks the same as you do.

[Creature]

because lurkers step it up in lylo

I wouldn't townread someone who started doing things just in LyLo, so there's that.

[Creature]

i guess that rb might have been thinking diff but shouldn't it be standard for traitors to crumb?

No

[Creature]

I'd argue that I've prob had the most impact on this game

I'm townier than EVERYONE!

[Creature]

Still need to know why a VT claim suddenly makes DDL need to think.

We reconsidered DDL D1 after he claimed VT.

[Creature]

Yay! Hopefully this insight will solidify our sr’s! What do you think of DDL, Fish?

Don't really SR him right now but I get the flack on him though. I don't know if he is trying to use AtE to get people off of him and its having the opposite effect or what.

It looks like he will be MIA for awhile and he might replace out so I'm not too comfortable jumping on that wagon until we know if he will stay here or replace out. I tend to give people who replace in a little room to set their own tone before damning them for the sins of their predecessor.

Hm. Maybe DDL/BEF are the team.

Why did DDL hesitate on Vork then?

[Creature]

Scum 99.8 percent on the lynch block does not claim VT? Do they?

Depends on the scum. I'd usually claim PR to bait another if I seem to be going down.

[Creature]

Though, more inexperienced scum could assume claiming PR is too risky.

[Creature]

I'm somewhat stuck in this dilemma of "one of BEF/Vork must be scum", but I could easily see both of them being town.

[Creature]

Meh, idk

I don't think Vork and Varsoon are partnered

[Creature]

It ain't Vorkuta either.

doesn't feel w/w

[Creature]

He should be at prod range disregarding the V/LA, so we wait yet again and tbh we could just compromise on Vork.

[Creature]

Luckily we got enough mislynches that getting rid of ONE confbiased slot won't hurt too much.

[Creature]

I can see that.

[Creature]

What about Kmd?

[Creature]

I've played a game w kmd where he was kinda useless until lylo where he suddenly became good.

What about scum!Kmd?

[Creature]

I could do Vork or Varsoon

I believe only one of them flips scum though

[Creature]

VOTE: Varsoon

If I'm not already on it.

[Creature]

What time is it?




Time for a Varsoon prod!

[Creature]

We have four days though. Varsoon has gotta post.

Not if the mod will let him not post until January 5th

[Creature]

I won't bother about it

Not until next year

[Creature]

VOTE: Vorkuta

L-1

[Creature]

It is

[Creature]

Let's see if Vork has something or if he's just gonna activate antispew mode

[Creature]

Vortuka was lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Spoiler:

Mini Normal 2046

Welcome, Vorkuta. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

You have no special abilities. Your vote is your weapon.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this with your role name and alignment.

Night 2 begins now and ends in (expired on 2019-01-04 03:09:59).

Here's your free mislynch

[Creature]

also lol

I was planning to push Nero Cain today

[Creature]

I'm surprised he was killed, he didn't seem ready to a Vork's townflip.

[Creature]

Can we get a DDL or mbaki lynch today?

I can finely do DDL.

[Creature]

Told you that Vork was a bad lynch.
How much longer until people listen to me?

It ain't Vorkuta either.

A+ effort

[Creature]

I did way better defending Vork than you.

[Creature]

Vote Bright

Reasons are in my ISO from Day 2.

Lazy vote. Show why please.

Did the flips change or just reinforce your read on me.

Also, if you truly believe me to be scum, which I doubt, who would my hypothetical scum partner(s) be?

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

L-2

[Creature]

Vote Bright

Reasons are in my ISO from Day 2.

Though, yeah, I agree with him.

Your reads are lazy.

[Creature]

VOTE: bef

just claim so we can move on thx

no need to wait for intent

just do it

do it

do

it

thats l1 btw

The heck is this...

[Creature]

Zero chance that's a real claim. It was clear Fish would be the lynch today, no way he didn't use it last night.

Yeah, I would've used it as soon as possible, specially considering DDL is a VT claim.

[Creature]

Man, what's up with these "let's save shots" play?

[Creature]

"im a 1-shot cop, ill save my shot for later, scum will never find me, hahaha"

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

It's suboptimal to lynch a claim that's likely dying tonight anyway

[Creature]

if town

[Creature]

1846, 1847, and 1849 were pretty disgusting.

VOTE: OkaPoka

[Creature]

so then

who r u thinking of there

I'm thinking you fooled me pretty well till today.

[Creature]

Oh right

I had a problem with the way you forced the claim

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

It's suboptimal to lynch a claim that's likely dying tonight anyway

what

I doubt scum has a roleblocker, so we can let scum kill BEF or have him clear someone (like you) tonight.

[Creature]

i read oka town btw

Dunno, still skeptical about that L-1 vote.

[Creature]

creature can you throw me two of your recent scum games

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77628
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77190

[Creature]

@creature i still don't see why my play isn't the best play here.

I knew BEF was gonna be hardpushed today, but didn't expect you to be so eager on it.

[Creature]

I think it best to hold on until the player size is smaller.

Not really, one clear is still pretty useful.

[Creature]

I think it best to hold on until the player size is smaller.

Not really, one clear is still pretty useful.

I have yet pick up on any hints on PRs nor do I have any strong TRs. It would be like shooting in the dark and hoping I get a VT result and hoping I don't put a guilty on someone and out another PR.

YES! There's SOMEONE who's either VT or LYING. Its name? DRDOLITTLE.

[Creature]

Damn when someone doesn't pay attention to the game at all.

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

It's suboptimal to lynch a claim that's likely dying tonight anyway

I'm not sure I buy this logic. If BEF didn't die during the night, that wouldn't automatically incriminate him because of the existence of healer roles and roleblockers and scum playing mindgames. We'd be left in exactly the same situation tomorrow as we are today concerning BEF. Why should we not lynch him today?

Either he comes with a result tomorrow or he gets lynched.

[Creature]

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

It's suboptimal to lynch a claim that's likely dying tonight anyway

I'm not sure I buy this logic. If BEF didn't die during the night, that wouldn't automatically incriminate him because of the existence of healer roles and roleblockers and scum playing mindgames. We'd be left in exactly the same situation tomorrow as we are today concerning BEF. Why should we not lynch him today?

Either he comes with a result tomorrow or he gets lynched.

or?

If it's the former, we decide whether to lynch him or not.

[Creature]

Meh, I don't want another stupid lynch like Vorkuta or YyottaCat.

[Creature]

but I'd rather lynch else

where

.

where?

[Creature]

with the voyeur + traitor flips this is likely to be a game of little PR powers.

Wouldn't Nero be able to tell what scum PRs scum have? There are probably more.

[Creature]

the problem is bef is probably scum here cuz his claim is just bad and scummy so we are letting a free lynch slip through our fingers when we don't have to.

idk, I could still see it being town and it'll suck harder if we mislynch town!him today than let scum!him survive another day.

[Creature]

What do you all think about Suka?

[Creature]

You're saying we could potentially not lynch him if he fakes a good enough result?

No, we just read him as normal (whether he's actually town claiming truthfully or scum lying).

[Creature]

Why? I need more on this for me to come close to seeing what you're seeing.

For some reason I can still imagine someone being that bad as town.

[Creature]

I don't think resisting YYotta lynch in itself is town indicative. If anything, that's the kind of player scum would love to defend, since they're inevitably getting lynched eventually, and not a threat.

Who was pushing YYotta the most?

[Creature]

do we direct his night action? If so, to where?

DDL obviously

[Creature]

I think we may be in LYLO

I don't think.

[Creature]

Wow Vorkuta is back

[Creature]

Do you want to start?

[Creature]

Do you want to pick someone to start?

[Creature]

I am not claiming first, I will claim before Creature and that's it.

What?

[Creature]

Oh right, you said before me.

[Creature]

Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.

So we're not following the order where I am second-to-last?

[Creature]

Would you rather I claim now or have someone claim before me?

[Creature]

I feel like we'll go nowhere if I take too long to claim.

So I'm Town [redacted] Commuter and I commuted N1.

Varsoon, your turn.

[Creature]

(I had it copypasted before 2146, am sorry for actually taking long)

[Creature]

For one moment I thought you were actually disloyal and received no result on mbaki and Kmd.

Dammit.

[Creature]

Town Follower
Town Voyeur
Town Universal Backup
Town Commuter
Town Ascetic

vs

Mafia Traitor Rolecop

Hmm what?

[Creature]

Hmmm, what are the odds rb didn't scumread any of his partners?

[Creature]

If he's town, there's no reason not to commute every single night, right?

Unless I can't.