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Post Post #725  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:37 pm

In post 717, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Varsoon, could you claim your flavor, since you are claiming a role?

I'm honestly not super Up to Date with Starcraft having only played a few games of SC2, so I don't know if that will reveal ground or air unit. If it would, I guess I'd be willing to accept that.

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I won't claim flavor at all and I won't confirm if my flavor does or does not make it obvious that I am ground or air or anything else.
The less info scum have about me, the better.

@STW: I've been paying attention to the thread and responding to other things, too.
I'm sorry that I'm such a headache for you. Please focus outside of me for now, then?
Unless we have a legitimately better candidate for lynch that I actually agree on, I'm going to keep my vote stuck where it is.
It's baffling that my kill failed on you and I'm trying my best not to get really pissed off that I outted myself this early and will die without having done anything.

@AlmostChara: There are definitely units in Starcraft that can only affect air or ground. The Protoss Reaver, for instance, can shoot out scarab bombs across the ground, but it can't hit flying units. Many of the zerg ground units only have claws and can't attack air units. Shuttles that fly can pick up and transport ground units. So on and so forth.

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Post Post #726  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:38 pm

@TWS: Could you also calm down a bit? Let's try to figure things out mechanically. Between you and Varsoon I'd say he's townier than you, but I could see you both being Town. Chara probably sees it the other way around, but I'm sure I can convince them this is Varsoon's Town game.

Som anyway.. do you have any knowledge of Starcraft?
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Post Post #727  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:40 pm

I sincerely doubt that the mod would be so... trolly

but in starcraft 1 there is a high ground advantage mechanic

where units firing up hill have a roughly 50% chance to miss

and stw is above you in the player list ;P
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Post Post #728  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:41 pm

I'm a little confused as to what more information they can get from your flavor. But, I'm not even sure if a flavor claim would help me specifically anyway. I know so little that unless you are Artanas, Kerrigan, or Arthas I'll have no clue anyway.

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Post Post #729  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:43 pm

In post 725, Varsoon wrote:@AlmostChara: There are definitely units in Starcraft that can only affect air or ground. The Protoss Reaver, for instance, can shoot out scarab bombs across the ground, but it can't hit flying units. Many of the zerg ground units only have claws and can't attack air units. Shuttles that fly can pick up and transport ground units. So on and so forth.


OK.. good. Now, would it be conceivable at all that someone on the list has that type of effect (targeting your type of action)? Because, when I looked at the list of today EVERYONE is between you and STW, with the exception of Michael Scott. So if ANYONE has a working ability that intercepts your specific type of action then your action will fail and STW won't know why it failed. (Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm using my imagination now)
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Post Post #730  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:44 pm

In post 727, u r a person 2 wrote:in starcraft 1 there is a high ground advantage mechanic

where units firing up hill have a roughly 50% chance to miss


Oh, shit. That's another factor I could have NEVER thought of, seeing as there's no altitude factor in the game I am trying to use to figure this out.
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Post Post #731  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:45 pm

Pf course, these posts were all made by A50 (Sorry I forgot to sign)
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Post Post #732  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:46 pm

In post 727, u r a person 2 wrote:I sincerely doubt that the mod would be so... trolly

but in starcraft 1 there is a high ground advantage mechanic

where units firing up hill have a roughly 50% chance to miss

and stw is above you in the player list ;P


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Post Post #733  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:48 pm

And yeah, AC, you're right, it could explain it if someone blocked kills that shoot between them in the playerlist.
Hmmmm.

This mechanic is really fucking cool but goddamn

Okay
I'm going to sleep on it

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Post Post #734  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:33 pm

VOTE: u r a person 2

Not a fan of their tiber vote. The vote plus their explanations feel like they were just latching onto what STW was doing. Supposing they thought the dayvig was real and STW was about to die, I think a U2 scumflip indicates STW Town with U2 wanting to mimic a soon-to-be-dead Townie’s play.
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Post Post #735  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:41 pm

Tibor vote happened this way:

STW offered a chance to cooperate when they asked who we should vote for
I gave them a list of slots I was interested in getting more from
STW picked T&L
So that's where I voted.
It wasn't a scum read. I wasn't going to turn down the opportunity STW presented pretty much regardless of whom they picked.

Having had the opportunity to cooperate with STW like that, my gut likes them more, but I'm going to go back through the whole exchange tomorrow to see what fresh eyes can glean.
It was also fruitful in that I like my T&L read more now.

I understand if it seems weird, but you should check out some of my games. A great example would be between CheekyTeeky and myself in newbie 1905. Very similar trajectory. We tunneled one another, and then we just sort of started cooperating and it was good.
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Post Post #736  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:48 pm

In post 735, u r a person 2 wrote:STW offered a chance to cooperate when they asked who we should vote for
I gave them a list of slots I was interested in getting more from
STW picked T&L


Ok I missed that part. I thought you were just latching on out of nowhere.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #737  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:50 pm

Unless Chara objects, I'm tentatively removing STW & UR2 from my lynch pool for today. This only leaves Mewtaph, NR, pintu & Koki as lynch candidates for this head.

Chara said they wanted to lynch someone we both agreed to, which is why I am not voting still. If Chara wants to vote in these 4, fine. If they prefer someone else they'd probably need to present me with a case in the hydra PT, which means they'd have to find the time despite of their busy schedule (Sorry, Chara).
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Post Post #738  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:51 pm

@Alch: What do you think of my current lynch pool. Do you TR any of them?
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Post Post #739  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:54 pm

no worries, Almost. i'll have plenty of time this weekend.

VOTE: pintu
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Post Post #740  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:18 am

:(

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Post Post #741  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:21 am

I just read everything and just wanted to say that I don't think that Varsoon crossed any line compared to other games I've read of him, and that the discussion got heated because of reads, not on a personal level. You guys should focus on other players maybe? Like Varsoon, who are STW's partners? 'Cause there are two more.

I'm doing the same, I focused way too much on URAP2 and that stagnated my other reads and that's suboptimal.

2.20 here so coming back tomorrow with some fresh juice. Sorry for the inconvenience, Turicchio wanted to play Smash and I can't say no to that.

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Post Post #742  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:22 am

In post 738, Almost Chara wrote:@Alch: What do you think of my current lynch pool. Do you TR any of them?


No, though most of them haven’t really posted either. I could go with a lurker lynch if there aren’t any better options by deadline but we don’t get a lot of useful info from it and I’d rather the vig just take care of them.
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Post Post #743  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:24 am

In post 738, Almost Chara wrote:@Alch: What do you think of my current lynch pool. Do you TR any of them?


Btw, talk to me about your Pint read. If you already said why you’re scumreading them (or at least why they’re in your lynch pool) I’ve missed it.
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Post Post #744  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:41 am

In short, I've been town hunting instead of scum hunting, which is an approach I like to use when I can't get explicit scum reads. Someone obv!towns and they're off the lynch pool. Someone makes a move that I could see coming from town them (but I'm not confident in that read) and they're off the pool for TODAY. I ended up with these 4 as "not having got any town vibes from", which -obviously- doesn't mean I got scum vibes off.

I've played and modded multiple times before, and I feel like he's been trying to fly under the radar for long, and is only posting when he feels like his lurking is becoming too suspicious, yet he says almost nothing. He has but one scum read in UR2, I think? Town!pintu is much more active (in terms of reads, not necessarily post count).
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Post Post #745  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:41 am

And besides, Chara doesn't mind voting there either.

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Post Post #746  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:57 am

Would you mind tiering your townreads Almost? Or talk to me about the ones you can't see yourself EVER voting for the foreseeable future?
I know this will be more annoying than I intend it to be but it is what it is. It's just a little tricky reading into "i have 11 slots as town, let's lynch in the other 4 (who are all lurkers". I don't hate your PoE tbh, I'm just curious to see where your brain is at.
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Post Post #747  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:00 am

@Almost, I feel like his activity became normal when he made the big post about U2 but I still don’t have a read on him. I don’t think I have any meta with him either though.

Could you also talk to me about your Tiber read? Is that based on meta or on something else?
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Post Post #748  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:15 am

@STW: I'd rather not. I'd like for scum to work extra hard to shoot my top TRs (or maybe just shoot us instead).

@Alch: Well, as I said I am not 100% on pintu, but he has also played multiple times with tw so I would be interested on tw's read on pintu.
As for Tibor, it so happens that I TR brass and am null on Gamma, while Chara is TRing Gamma and is null on brass, so that's we both have town leans on the slot and we each are TRing a different head.

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Post Post #749  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:19 am

Sorry if my questuon's too Newb, but:
Does scum!Vars claim Vig in a setup where we know there's a town aligned vig who'd obviously just shoot him at night?

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