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Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:15 am

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VOTE: creature
Its bought on
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Post Post #55 (isolation #1) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:06 pm

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VOTE: nc
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Post Post #108 (isolation #2) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:49 am

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found scum in NC.

don't think sukas scum tbh
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Post Post #109 (isolation #3) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:50 am

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also, wow.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #4) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:44 am

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Wow Varsoon you are brilliantly on point wow
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Post Post #126 (isolation #5) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:35 am

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In post 123, Varsoon wrote:Explain your reads?
nah not now
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Post Post #130 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 pm

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@nc dude you have 1 vote calm yourself.

@Oka, I don't expect people to follow me. At least not yet.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 pm

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cause 129 reads frantic "here's all the ways that I might be mislynched" even though you have like 1 vote.

doesnt read right.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:27 pm

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you can

but its not a town reaction
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Post Post #141 (isolation #9) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:48 pm

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what are you talking about
i'm just saying that 129 is a scummy reaction to no pressure
you can have town opinions - that's just not one of them?
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Post Post #145 (isolation #10) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:49 pm

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In post 138, Varsoon wrote:Nero obv-towns every game I've been with him or he gets lynched real fast.
It ain't Nero.
pretty terrible but ok
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Post Post #148 (isolation #11) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:59 pm

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yeah im pretty comfortable with my vote rn
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Post Post #166 (isolation #12) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:09 pm

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man i dont understand. every fucking game i play im scumread by half the people by page 7 regardless of alignment. is it cause im playing too loose or is my logic too poor?

i think my argument against nc is pretty sound, but no one else seems to agree so ok.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #13) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:17 pm

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cause town doesn't overreact to one single vote? NC over there is already talking about mis-lynch orders and whatnot and it's so out of place.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #14) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:24 pm

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In post 129, Nero Cain wrote:IDK, part of me feels weird that's accusing DDL of bussing so part of me feels like they are scum and this is maybe a planned bus like ML Nero and then Suka would be all like "ok, so I was wrong about Nero now lets lynch DDL!" And the other part of me just thinks its chain lynching.
this one
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Post Post #172 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:30 pm

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or he could be scumbutt trying to make much out of nothing at all.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #16) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:56 am

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mod: I need to LA for like 6 days until 18th due to unforeseen circumstances if that's OK. If not I might need to replace out.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #17) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:30 am

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UNVOTE:
quickly glanced through the thread and people saying im ateing :cry:
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Post Post #557 (isolation #18) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:31 am

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In post 166, DrDolittle wrote:man i dont understand. every fucking game i play im scumread by half the people by page 7 regardless of alignment. is it cause im playing too loose or is my logic too poor?
this is not ate? honestly a question + I didn't say im scumread early only as town.
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Post Post #558 (isolation #19) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:38 am

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i think yyotta is town. I'm bit on the fence on Suka but I think she's lean town
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Post Post #559 (isolation #20) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:51 am

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i town read oka, and to a lesser degree creature. I don't think Kmd is town. His ISO is a lot of commentary, and like a total of 1 scum read in yyotta?
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Post Post #705 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:53 pm

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I still pref KMD. Willing vorkuta over yyota. Wouldn't be too opposed to my lynch either. I'm a liability on town at this rate especially with this player list
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Post Post #795 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:44 am

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fuck off creature and leo
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Post Post #798 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:56 am

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In post 706, OkaPoka wrote:Why would you be a liability to town?
because varsoon likes to strongarm lynches, and creature, and im not sure I would be involved enough to fend off attacks against my mislynch.
In post 709, Kmd4390 wrote: Did you even see my reply to you?
Yes - you said I skimmed your ISO and noted only one read. Which is true. I only found one read, and perhaps a comment to the like of im also ok with lynching XXX iirc.
In post 728, BrightEyedFish wrote:
Just as yyotta gets to L-2, mbaki unvotes even though he is "Perfectly thrilled with" the yyotta lynch. Scum buddies perhaps?

VOTE: mbaki
VOTE: BEF
In post 783, Nero Cain wrote:
I suddenly feel like its a Vort, Suka, Creature team.
What's the link that ties them together? These are the three I have a hard time reading.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #24) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:59 am

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Quick readlist for myself:

Nero Cain - lean town
rb - lean town
Varsoon - lean scum
Creature * - null
mbakiv - town
Vorkuta - null
Leodanny - null
BrightEyedFish - scum
OkaPoka - town
Suka - lean town
DrDolittle - me
YyottaCat - lean town
Kmd4390 - scum
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Post Post #800 (isolation #25) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:04 am

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In post 796, Leodanny wrote:Tell me why
In post 797, Creature wrote:
In post 795, DrDolittle wrote:fuck off creature and leo
What now?
you two haven't done anything all game. In particular Leo do you have any other reads or is my 21 post guarenteed scum?

Creature you repeated spew how you are lazy and guaranteed to be so good as to be the n1 kill or solve the game for town tomorrow. I don't recall him being so arrogant and useless as town last time we played together - can someone with knowledge of creature give me a conf?
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Post Post #801 (isolation #26) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:05 am

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In post 791, Creature wrote:Yah, this game is hopeless
Also I'm not too clear on the self-aggrandization and this sentiment. Based on you, you have already caught one scum (despite how lazy you are playing) and will solve the game tomorrow. How is this game hopeless
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Post Post #802 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:12 am

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im here come hang out
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Post Post #819 (isolation #28) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:55 am

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lynching yyotta is a policy-based lynch. if she flips town we have absolutely 0 to work off of.
i should reread vortuka
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Post Post #899 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:34 pm

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VT claim woo
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Post Post #900 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:37 pm

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make kmd point out where he has reads tomorrow. (hint he doesn't)
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Post Post #908 (isolation #31) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:38 am

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your read list came after my prod iirc
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Post Post #910 (isolation #32) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:40 am

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yeah 559 vs 670
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Post Post #913 (isolation #33) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:54 am

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i was vla till the 18th and then here the whole time afterwards?
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Post Post #929 (isolation #34) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:48 pm

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yyotta claim? (intent to l-1/hammer or whatever)
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:31 am

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In post 981, mbaki wrote:I believe that means Vorkuta is town?
I thank fue opposite no?
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #36) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:32 am

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I think it is the opposite*
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Post Post #1006 (isolation #37) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:32 am

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VOTE: vorkuta
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #38) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:37 am

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Normal rules on traitor are clear https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #39) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:52 am

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It's ok you can still push me
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #40) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:53 am

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Bef can you answer oka
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #41) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:58 am

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hey bef why are you sr me and vork second time round
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #42) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:06 pm

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In post 1115, OkaPoka wrote:Still prefer mbaki lynch to vorkuta, though revelations are interesting. We can lynch vorkuta tomorrow.

As to why because you guys are going to ask.

mbaki's self vote pushes it over the edge for me. The difference between mbaki selfvoting and your typical rage!town self-voter is that mbaki isn't the type of player who self-votes, based on what he said about yyotta. Either he was lying about his opinion on yyotta or he was manufacturing rage. pick whatever reason you want, mbaki is the scummier player.
? Oka are you scum ?

the revelations looks on my end like a smoking gun

your case on mbaki seems dubious at best
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Post Post #1129 (isolation #43) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:10 pm

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In post 1127, Kmd4390 wrote:wow actually scummy imo. For real this actually does sound like trying to subtly ask rb if he's the traitor but... if that's the case, Vorkuta never shoots rb.
not sure if i agree here.
could be that vork got no information or simply forgot 181?
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #44) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:19 pm

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im frazzled by how anti vork lynch you are. after all, you said vork can go tomorrow so he's your second largest scum read?
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #45) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:16 pm

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@kmd my thought against that is, vork thought process is wow imo rb could be traitor but rb has been pushing me hard all game day 1 nah I might be overthinking this let's kill him wow imo
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #46) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:18 pm

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Probably worthwhile to revisit early and end of day 1. Who else was traitor hunting?? That's like scum number 1 objective and must be leaking into the posts
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #47) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:37 pm

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Creature could be scum too.
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #48) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:39 pm

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@kmd yeah I see your point but I think you overestimate scum talent with your hindsight.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #49) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:43 pm

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I cant see lynching anything else but vork today. Not only for the flip but also for the influx of informa1tuon since everyone has taken somewhat of a stance here
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #50) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:44 pm

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I'm against lynching mbaki today. I think hes town, but I am open to changing reads on this slot as more information comes
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:10 pm

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In post 1209, Creature wrote:
In post 1177, DrDolittle wrote:Creature could be scum too.
wtf is this?
its one thing to call yourself town. another to be so incredulous that anyone is calling your scum. show me where is town-creature.
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Post Post #1251 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:21 pm

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that was your read on page 30. does the night kill/yyotta flip change any of that?
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #53) » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:38 pm

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should we stall the lynch for as long as possible so that when day 3 rolls around leo and varsoon will be back from vla and forced to participate
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Post Post #1510 (isolation #54) » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:33 pm

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The argument against voting Vork literally boils down to "Vork does not make rb kill". Everything else on that slot looks p bad.
I'm reiterating: people make mistakes. Maybe he didn't realize; maybe he forgot; maybe he thinks, no way my traitor pushes that hard on me.

Besides, even if Vork lives today, are we letting him go anywhere lylo? Voting anywhere else today is silly.
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Post Post #1648 (isolation #55) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:44 pm

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In post 1640, Creature wrote:
In post 1633, OkaPoka wrote:i guess that rb might have been thinking diff but shouldn't it be standard for traitors to crumb?
No
Even considering the case where rb is not crumbing, you also have to rule out that scum is hunting for traitor crumbs which is exactly what vork seems like doing.

I think someone else asked me why else vork is scummy: vork shows up mainly to defend himself. his play added no value on day 1, cf some quotes by Nero, and today his reads (iirc) is basically omgus on everyone on his wagon.
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Post Post #1653 (isolation #56) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:59 pm

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can we briefly discuss bef-scum motivation on killing rb? was it just a random bad luck hit?
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Post Post #1655 (isolation #57) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:02 pm

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vs say nc, oka, or mbaki
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #58) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:03 pm

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not sure - that's why i want to discuss this. if bef's goal was to hit people who are town read, he would go you or oka, who are doing more stuff. if he wanted to relieve pressure off himself, suka mbaki are better directions.

don't know why scum-bef targets rb
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #59) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:08 pm

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In post 1658, Nero Cain wrote:I killed him b/c he was town reading me. Yep. :igmeou:
?? is that to me
If so I'm talking about BEF would find you a better kill target rather than you killing rb
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #60) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:09 pm

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In post 1659, mbaki wrote:rb was scumreading him and was the most widely townread player. That's plenty reason, considering we don't know who the hypothetical third was.
but this line of thought works EXACTLY the same for vork, but stronger.

like im trying to think... is there anything that applies to BEF re: rb that is more incriminating than Vork re: rb
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Post Post #1686 (isolation #61) » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:01 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1706 (isolation #62) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:49 am

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Scum 99.8 percent on the lynch block does not claim VT? Do they?
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Post Post #1707 (isolation #63) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:50 am

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Doesnt rhat give you a sense of some thing is a bit off?
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Post Post #1712 (isolation #64) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:52 am

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Maybe I'm over thinking this.
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Post Post #1714 (isolation #65) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:58 am

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998 is a modifier on being on the lynch block rather than modifier on scum
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Post Post #1715 (isolation #66) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:59 am

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If you know you are gonna die, would you still claim VT as scum? Why not a hail Mary PR reaction test
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #67) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:17 pm

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In post 1734, OkaPoka wrote:He is lot townier than the last game I played with him, like is more active and thoughtful
last time I played with scum-bef he was pretty belligerent like with mbaki here.

btw i thought it through and im ok with hammering.
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #68) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:20 pm

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i still feel uneasy though.

if vork flips town, then tomorrow it feels almost natural to push bef.
but as creature echoed, I can also see them both as town.

this potentially hints at scum pushing narratives around and lining up easy mislynches.
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #69) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:29 pm

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I know! thats why Im feeling so uneasy

that's why Im really hoping vork flips red to calm my qualms
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #70) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:15 pm

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In post 1782, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1705, Creature wrote:Why did DDL hesitate on Vork then?
In post 1686, DrDolittle wrote:UNVOTE:
need2think
In post 1706, DrDolittle wrote:Scum 99.8 percent on the lynch block does not claim VT? Do they?
In post 1712, DrDolittle wrote:Maybe I'm over thinking this.
In post 1715, DrDolittle wrote:If you know you are gonna die, would you still claim VT as scum? Why not a hail Mary PR reaction test
In post 1752, DrDolittle wrote:i still feel uneasy though.

if vork flips town, then tomorrow it feels almost natural to push bef.
but as creature echoed, I can also see them both as town.

this potentially hints at scum pushing narratives around and lining up easy mislynches.
I dislike all of these posts, especially the last one, and it just feels like a way for DDL to make himself look better if Vorkuta flips town. Hate the admittance that it feels natural to push BEF but the addition of the wishy-washy "I could see him as town." The amount of hesitation based off only my intent to hammer and a VT claim doesn't feel real. It's a somewhat smart move for scum since they know looking at the people on Voruta's wagon will be the next step.
Everyone and their moms can make that surface level argument, and I agree with your thought. Let's table this discussion until vork flip how about that. If he flips town I'll quote this post for you again so you dont forget.
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #71) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:20 pm

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Btw vla 2 days.
if china doesnt have access to ms in that you dont hear from me in 3 days replace me pls.
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #72) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:47 pm

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I think I would prefer a BEF lynch today.
1 - I think there's at most one scum in {BEF, Vork} and {BEF, mbaki}. That role flipping red clears our
2 - With conf bias, his wagon hop on me is extremely lazy and antitown ("for the sake of progress")
3 - I agree with what people said. BEF's reads today are extremely weak, and they feel more like continuing to set up mislynches.
4 - Meta-wise, this game reminds me of the last time BEF played scum, rather than BEF played town. His scum play seems more confident, vocally fights with frequent-posters, and then gradually shirks when there's more pressure.
5 - The story that rb-BEF teammates makes sense, although its weaker than rb-vork.

I'm still ok with Vork lynch, but right now, I would prefer a flip here instead. VOTE: bef
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Post Post #1795 (isolation #73) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:49 pm

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here's the game i'm referencing if anyone wants to take a look: viewtopic.php?t=77859&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #74) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:54 pm

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@Varsoon Dannflor's entering post and his post #1607 gives a good treatment that is more iso based
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Post Post #1802 (isolation #75) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:59 pm

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are you implying that this means vork is defeated-scum?
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #76) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:01 pm

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de·feat·ed
/dəˈfēdəd/
adjective
adjective: defeated
demoralized and overcome by adversity.

not the
having been beaten in a battle or other contest.

definition in case that wasnt clear
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #77) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:29 pm

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Happy new years pals!!
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Post Post #1831 (isolation #78) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:45 pm

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Why
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Post Post #1899 (isolation #79) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:55 am

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In post 1886, Creature wrote:UNVOTE:

It's suboptimal to lynch a claim that's likely dying tonight anyway
what
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Post Post #1900 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:56 am

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i read oka town btw
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Post Post #1902 (isolation #81) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:01 am

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creature can you throw me two of your recent scum games
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Post Post #1903 (isolation #82) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:03 am

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with the voyeur + traitor flips this is likely to be a game of little PR powers. does 1-shot neop make sense in this set up?
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #83) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:06 am

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nvm i was think of vanilla cop instead
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Post Post #1906 (isolation #84) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:09 am

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In post 1782, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1705, Creature wrote:Why did DDL hesitate on Vork then?
In post 1686, DrDolittle wrote:UNVOTE:
need2think
In post 1706, DrDolittle wrote:Scum 99.8 percent on the lynch block does not claim VT? Do they?
In post 1712, DrDolittle wrote:Maybe I'm over thinking this.
In post 1715, DrDolittle wrote:If you know you are gonna die, would you still claim VT as scum? Why not a hail Mary PR reaction test
In post 1752, DrDolittle wrote:i still feel uneasy though.

if vork flips town, then tomorrow it feels almost natural to push bef.
but as creature echoed, I can also see them both as town.

this potentially hints at scum pushing narratives around and lining up easy mislynches.
I dislike all of these posts, especially the last one, and it just feels like a way for DDL to make himself look better if Vorkuta flips town. Hate the admittance that it feels natural to push BEF but the addition of the wishy-washy "I could see him as town." The amount of hesitation based off only my intent to hammer and a VT claim doesn't feel real. It's a somewhat smart move for scum since they know looking at the people on Voruta's wagon will be the next step.
btw i promised to quote this
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #85) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:40 pm

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I dont see anything wrong with Creature's plan. We delay BEF lynch and lynch him tomorrow. If he is actually town, we get a clear or a NK. If not he's simply gone tomorrow.

Unless BEF is some kind of powerful scum PR, but relatively unlikely
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Post Post #1944 (isolation #86) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:42 pm

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In post 1930, Dannflor wrote:What if he's scum and just decides to confirm DDL as town in an attempt to prove his own innocence?
I thought you thought I was scum?
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Post Post #1946 (isolation #87) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:47 pm

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man what the fuck is going on with Nauci's vote count system?
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Post Post #1948 (isolation #88) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:48 pm

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In post 1945, OkaPoka wrote:the problem is bef is probably scum here cuz his claim is just bad and scummy so we are letting a free lynch slip through our fingers when we don't have to.

like ddl, remember last game where you claimed jk? if everyone had been scared like me to push that you most likely would have got away scot-free and probably ended up lynching mewtaph earlier. hindsight is 20/20 and I should have known your claim was bad (luckily rest of town was competent to save me here), so basically this game is my redemption arc.

like you would've been lynched eventually regardless b/c mew flip but still
last game, the whole point of me claiming JK was to light up who the real jk was, because from scum information we know A50 was jailkept. I had no intention of surviving and was hoping for a counterclaim. Turns out Mew did not cc and I still got lynched
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #89) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:02 pm

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i feel pretty good re BEF scum (I had a post about this), and with his claim I feel even better about him being scum that its obnoxious he's still alive.

but I don't think the situation is nearly as comparable, and following creature's suggestion should be the objectively better play.
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Post Post #1953 (isolation #90) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:13 pm

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Because I'm not looking confirm BEF. He is getting rope REGARDLESS of his result.
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Post Post #1961 (isolation #91) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:32 pm

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^ I got you bro
In post 1405, northsidegal wrote:Dannfl
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #92) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:33 pm

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Fixed up the quote
In post 1405, northsidegal wrote:
Dannflor replaces Leodanny.
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #93) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:34 pm

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In post 1944, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 1930, Dannflor wrote:What if he's scum and just decides to confirm DDL as town in an attempt to prove his own innocence?
I thought you thought I was scum?
hey dann can you answer this pls
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Post Post #1964 (isolation #94) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:38 pm

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In post 1959, Varsoon wrote:I think scum'd pull off if they knew it'd flip town, if only to avoid catching flak for being on it.

I didn't like their early play and their constant interaction in the thread doesn't feel, to me, like they're trying to figure out the game nearly as much as it's just them setting up whatever lynch works.
also are you fucking kidding about this? How does pulling off vork not generate flak? Plus we rarely wagon analyze, and vork asso i could be sitting pretty rather than drawing attention to myself as scum.

there's no reason for scum-me to pull of vork + I was first vote anyways.

Of course, scum could know this and yadda yadda, so that is at most not alignment indicative.
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Post Post #1965 (isolation #95) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:45 pm

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In post 1954, OkaPoka wrote:Who's the partner ?
hmm I'm not too sure. Dannflor maybe? Kmd is possible too.
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Post Post #1966 (isolation #96) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:47 pm

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I was uneasy about creature but now I'm feeling better
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Post Post #1970 (isolation #97) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:19 pm

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In post 1967, Varsoon wrote:Seems like you're upset that I called ya out on what you did.
:P
im really not. im more upset at how terrible of a player you are.
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #98) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:41 pm

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my current thoughts are bef-dann?
I might be completely wrong though.

The early day interaction of omgus-push looks kinda feigned.
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #99) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:46 pm

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feeling real good about dann flipping scum if bef is red.

"He wants us to come to the conclusion that Nero was killed because he was "opposition" to a BEF mislynch, but he can't come out and say it himself"

this seems like something taken directly out of the scum thread
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #100) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:47 pm

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In post 1944, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 1930, Dannflor wrote:What if he's scum and just decides to confirm DDL as town in an attempt to prove his own innocence?
I thought you thought I was scum?
plus this thing, where dann has been flipping flopping over whether im scum or not.
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #101) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:48 pm

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dann is varsoon your top scum read after bef?
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Post Post #2015 (isolation #102) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:49 pm

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In post 2008, mbaki wrote:DDL and Varsoon, you have both done little which makes your jabs at each other amusing to me.
just because im not writing novellas doesn't mean I'm doing nothing.
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #103) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:51 pm

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im feeling better about kmd as town.

mbaki's 2008 pings me in a really bad way
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #104) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:52 pm

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In post 2016, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2014, DrDolittle wrote:dann is varsoon your top scum read after bef?
rnow, yes
so essentially among the players that are not lynched, im extremely close to your top scum read since I and him look "kind of similar"
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #105) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:54 pm

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whats your lightbulb idea oka?
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #106) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:15 pm

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i actually dont really scum read varsoon
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #107) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:18 pm

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I'm flipped 180 and I think oka's scum
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #108) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:19 pm

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VOTE: oka
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #109) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:19 pm

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oka and mbaki maybe
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #110) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:20 pm

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In post 523, rb wrote:
In post 422, Varsoon wrote:
In post 416, rb wrote:i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now
Who are these 5 mystery scummers?
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if we're lynching for 'fluff content' or lack of content i think these are all more likely to flip scum than mbaki
This fucking list is all town. 9/10 mbaki is scum
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #111) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:21 pm

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oka's scum because how much he's scared of bef being killed yesterday since he didn't want a neop shot
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #112) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:12 am

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^ this is essentially a scum claim
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Post Post #2168 (isolation #113) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:26 pm

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this setup looks fun
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Post Post #2169 (isolation #114) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:26 pm

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so whats next?
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Post Post #2170 (isolation #115) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:55 pm

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can mbaki + kmd verify suka?
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Post Post #2172 (isolation #116) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:09 am

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hol up
whats suka's motivation to blatantly lie here...
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Post Post #2241 (isolation #117) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:09 pm

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{oka, mbaki} is still my solve. maybe oka for creature, but i'm leaning more heavily on oka.
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #118) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:54 pm

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because your question is bad and it doesnt deserve answering
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Post Post #2244 (isolation #119) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:58 pm

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why are you scum:
1 - you've been steadfastly pushing town all game
2 - you post a lot but i dont read/recall any insightful scumhunting
3 - your rage 2x already this game reads fake.
4 - rb says youre scum

now lets flip, why am i scum
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Post Post #2262 (isolation #120) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:26 pm

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In post 2246, mbaki wrote:Why don't you go show me what scumhunting you've done? I've been solving actively since day 1.
yeah this is the part that amazes me. I refuse to believe anyone is this bad at the game while "posting" and "thinking" so much. thus, im inching slowly towards you being scum

my scumhunting at least involves taking clear stances on players. yours is dodgy.
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Post Post #2263 (isolation #121) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:27 pm

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also all your crap about how youre done with this game, and how this game is hopeless and how you hate this game can just fuck off. if you dont want to play then replace out.
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Post Post #2264 (isolation #122) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:35 pm

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ps. im amazed at your gall to put out posts 1000 posts apart and argue inconsistency.
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Post Post #2265 (isolation #123) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:38 pm

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i thought about picking apart 2250 more, but its kind of a silly case so...
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Post Post #2269 (isolation #124) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:10 pm

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"You aren't slowly inching, you're actively pushing me."
Yeah, now I am. So what

"And, food for thought: it takes two people for a misread to happen. BEF and Vorkuta both pushed each other, so don't act like those lynches are my fault. And again, you also pushed BOTH of them. If my reads are shit, I think every single player here qualifies for that too."

Yeah, maybe other people's reads are shit, but for the amount you're working, I'd expects something marginally innovative. Also, my push has way more character than yours. Your's was all about die die die, there was no nuance, no thinking there. Also you know who is afraid of 1-shot neop? scum.

" You can't be having a bad game of soccer, or CoD, or etc. and then decide to replace out mid game and let a new team mate come in. That isn't how competitive games work. "
Yeah you can. This is a game, its not life. If you are competitive and want to stay in, then stop moaning. its annoying and doesn't add anything to the game.

"I didn't pick out posts. I used ctrl F mbaki and then Kmd in your iso and selected all relevant results. YOU CHOOSING NOT TO REFER TO US FOR "1000 posts" IS YOUR CHOICE, and NOT A TOWNIE ONE. There was no pursuing of your scumread of Kmd or stated reevaluation for "1000 posts"."
Cause in those 1000 posts other things were happening? And focusing on you or kmd wasn't top of my plate? Also if you argue that im changing reads as optimal, why am I pushing you? shouldn't I just stay content on KMD?

"random shade like this. Why is it essentially a scum claim?"
because I read it as an omgus, a continual push for a mislynch, and solidifies my scum read on you.
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Post Post #2270 (isolation #125) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:10 pm

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Plus have you read our lord and savior Jeep's tells?
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Post Post #2271 (isolation #126) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:12 pm

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if you haven't allow me to spread the gospel
Day 2+ mafia errors


Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor".
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Post Post #2273 (isolation #127) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:05 pm

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VOTE: mbaki
tbh im fine with this
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Post Post #2336 (isolation #128) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:12 pm

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I got prodded.
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Post Post #2338 (isolation #129) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:20 pm

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I'm less sure about oka vs creature but I'm confident on mbaki.
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Post Post #2339 (isolation #130) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:23 pm

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Eg. What's the point in telling everyone to spell out their exact reads other than to set up kills and gauge wagon interest
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Post Post #2342 (isolation #131) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:42 pm

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It's a rhetoric question thanks.
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Post Post #2361 (isolation #132) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:07 am

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varsoon you should switch back to mbaki
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Post Post #2362 (isolation #133) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:09 am

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if you have complete apathy at least vote for the person who's been making this game an awful experience
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Post Post #2363 (isolation #134) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:15 am

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here's the deal. I'll take the L if scum is in {oka, kmd, varsoon, suka, creature}
But I don't want to lost to mbaki and neither should any of you. + the guy is scummy as fuck.
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Post Post #2365 (isolation #135) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:24 am

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In post 2364, or wrote:also maybe oka's town right now for not hammering me yet.
it's an easy justifiable hammer tbh
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Post Post #2366 (isolation #136) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:25 am

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I'm also still entertained by varsoon town. He claims no one visits creature, but it could be very well that suka's third target was creature, and thus the claim could be falsified.
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Post Post #2367 (isolation #137) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:28 am

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we agree on that suka's town.

so the persons that remain is {me, mbaki, kmd, creature}

I know I'm town (take my word on this, or whatever see my flip and decide tomorrow). I townread kmd right now. So that leaves mbaki and creature.
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Post Post #2368 (isolation #138) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:29 am

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In post 2366, DrDolittle wrote:I'm also still entertained by varsoon town. He claims no one visits creature, but it could be very well that suka's third target was creature, and thus the claim could be falsified.
^ hey oka what's your thoughts on this?
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Post Post #2369 (isolation #139) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:30 am

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+ it seems high risk low reward to claim a role as silly as universal backup, and it seems consistent with his rationale of play
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Post Post #2389 (isolation #140) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:09 pm

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In post 2110, Suka wrote:I guess I'll just claim. I'm a town [redacted] follower. I redacted part of my role because it's really best if I don't claim it.

My three targets are still alive. One of them was Varsoon. He should claim after me.

I'd also like to see a claim from Oka for reasons I'll reveal after he claims.

I'll keep my third target secret for the moment until everyone else claims.
In post 2158, Varsoon wrote:Oh, my result was nothing.
No one visited Creature.
In post 2159, Varsoon wrote:To be more specific, there were no actions performed on Creature.
In post 2160, Suka wrote:Hmm, okay.

These are my results:

N1 - Varsoon - no action (consistent with claim)
N2 - mbaki - towny action, no need to claim
N3 - kmd - towny action, no need to claim

I lied about visiting Oka because I wanted Oka telling the truth about his role. I'm thinking it's scum because ascetic functions almost like a ninja in this context.
@ Oka see this sequence. Suppose Varsoon was not backup, and lied about visiting and getting no action on creature. Then if Suka's n3 investigation was actually on creature, OR if suka's n3 action is on varsoon, then his claim is immediately poked through. This seems to me like a smoking gun varsoon is town.
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Post Post #2391 (isolation #141) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:14 pm

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In post 2372, mbaki wrote:
In post 2362, DrDolittle wrote:if you have complete apathy at least vote for the person who's been making this game an awful experience
Fuck you for this being your tactic. Scummy as fuck, and I'm not talking about in game.
In post 2363, DrDolittle wrote:here's the deal. I'll take the L if scum is in {oka, kmd, varsoon, suka, creature}
But I don't want to lost to mbaki and neither should any of you. + the guy is scummy as fuck.
Like, this is slimy as shit.
im playing to my wincon which is to get you lynched given the circumstance (apathy) of the game.
im not violating any rules.
im not attacking you personally.
@mod correct me if im wrong here

meanwhile you are calling me slimy irl. that's not cool?
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Post Post #2392 (isolation #142) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:15 pm

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In post 2390, OkaPoka wrote:Ok but when would suka follow creature?
im confused? Suka didnt reveal her n3 action. so it could be on creature?
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Post Post #2394 (isolation #143) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:19 pm

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there's a chance that could happen right?
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Post Post #2396 (isolation #144) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:21 pm

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all im saying is varsoon's claim is consistent with what is observed
and as scum it doesnt really make sense to make that claim when there are safer options like commuter
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Post Post #2398 (isolation #145) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:25 pm

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yeah but if hes not universal backup, why would he even start off with i can catch someone with a lie?
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Post Post #2400 (isolation #146) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:29 pm

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that would require 1 for 1 scum town trade and scum never wants that right?
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Post Post #2401 (isolation #147) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:30 pm

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especially since its know pr s are weak this game with the traitor flip
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Post Post #2403 (isolation #148) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:33 pm

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sure, but that (scum knows they are caught) is not case right now right?

i open to the idea that my read on varsoon is completely wrong but your set of arguments is not convincing me. and I see that mine is not convincing you either
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Post Post #2405 (isolation #149) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:41 pm

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im not seeing scum ub balance wise tbh
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #150) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:43 pm

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In post 2332, mbaki wrote:Honestly, dunno if town has enough power if Varsoon is scum. It's pretty frickin weak as is.
you even said so yourself
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Post Post #2471 (isolation #151) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:22 pm

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In post 2469, Kmd4390 wrote:He seemed convinced it's impossible for varsoon to be scum
is that your whole argument of mbaki town over me? I spent like 2 pages trying to convince oka that varsoon is town?
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Post Post #2472 (isolation #152) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:26 pm

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wonder if X-shot commuter is inherited means the X is refreshed or not.
it seems like an unlikely interaction to have and something that needs to be thought so carefully that perhaps its easier to just make it odd/even night commuter.
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Post Post #2473 (isolation #153) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:29 pm

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Oka I thought you made peace with mbaki town
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Post Post #2474 (isolation #154) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:31 pm

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lol if suka doesn't show, there's 100 pages of reading for the replacement to do, for 1 single vote.
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Post Post #2475 (isolation #155) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:37 pm

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man I really think mbaki is scum. This is the strongest scum read I've had in a really long time; every other post i see scummy intent. I'm going to be pretty sad if I'm wrong

E.g.
"Similarly, I think lynching in Kmd and DDL is best. For better or worse, DDL's posting today has locked me onto him, so I doubt my vote is moving."
feels like a setup for when I flip town. If I were as committed as him on a player being scum, all I could think about is finding partners, which mbaki's posts are not moving towards.

Not to mention all the anger as soon as there's pressure on him seems very much like a strongman-style scum tactic, which does seem like mbaki style of play.
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Post Post #2476 (isolation #156) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:37 pm

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@mbaki, when you say kmd/drdo do you mean one of is scum?
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Post Post #2479 (isolation #157) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:54 pm

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lol i really appreciate this little lesson but i know for a fact its wrong because im town.
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Post Post #2480 (isolation #158) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:56 pm

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In post 2478, mbaki wrote:More important than that, being more than 75% sure any player you don't have a cop guilty on is scum is generally delusional play beginner players have. The exception are reads that are meta-based. Other than meta, amazing top level reads are 60% accurate give or take; anything more than that is unrealistic.
math is my expertise and you are definitely wrong here. there's 7 people left in the game and 2 scum. I know im town. Suka and Varsoon are pretty much confirmed town in my book. Thus I need to sort 2 scum in 4 people. If I guess randomly its still a 50/50. So here getting to 75 is very reasonable.
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Post Post #2481 (isolation #159) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:57 pm

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odds are even higher in lylo. i.e. 2 people voting each other. the town guy knows 100 percent who is scum, even without a cop guilty
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Post Post #2483 (isolation #160) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:54 pm

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In post 2477, mbaki wrote:And in response to 2475, good scum players simply do not do "setups for when people flip town". That is not an important part of play. Town is wrong, and therefore, scum imitating being town should be wrong sometimes too. I am only even bothering to reply to you because you just implicated yourself: you specifically set yourself up for when Vorkuta flipped town, and then Fish. You just illustrated that your mindset as scum is, in your words, to make "a setup for when [players] flip town". Cognitive bias leading to self-implication is a common scum failure.
2479 was directed here... where this "implicated yourself" argument is invalid since im town.
p.s. no insults hurled or intended?
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Post Post #2502 (isolation #161) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:02 pm

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In post 2491, OkaPoka wrote:DDL, why would scum mbaki kill dann?
not sure! and that's one of the biggest reasons mbaki advances that he's town. But here's an objective look at whether it is as bulletproof of an argument - Let's look at other potential kills.

Varsoon - potential mislynch
Creature - likely scum partner, doesn't actually have a lot of opinions on mbaki, weakly argues for mbaki town.
OkaPoka - you also town read him after your revelation
Suka - very clear reads : scum Bright, kmd; if either Bright/kmd flip town, last scum is between Oka/DrDo. Town reads mbaki; cannot lead a wagon.
DrDolittle - potential mislynch
Kmd4390 - Kmd thinks mbaki is scum.

FWIW i reread over dann's iso he seemed to townread both creature and mbaki, and scum read kmd.

Again, not sure what to conclude
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Post Post #2668 (isolation #162) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:22 am

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hi sorry just got back from a disgustingly intensive work thing. Will catch up by tomorrow
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Post Post #2776 (isolation #163) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:26 pm

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“Kmd, varsoon, and mbaki I consider cleared from the mass claim. It's possible that one of these could be a mafia goon however, I also townread them for other reasons which I've briefly touched on here. Creature is town.”


No not really. They just have less chance of flipping scum here. Tbh, that would more likely indicate ascetic-scum because then the hypothetical goon doesn’t have to make a move.


Creature: 2522: “Varsoon, Kmd or DDL scum”


Creature’s reads for reference. Townreads Oka.

“@Oka: Keep lying--I wanted to go last, with Creature right before me. You insisted otherwise. I still resent you for that.”

This is in fact true iirc. And I can see a reason to get mad over such an obvious false reason.

“I'm still trying to work out who the second scum is, however Creature does seem to have a point about a possible Oka/Varsoon team due to the amount of what appears to be flailing going on ITT.”

Again I just can’t scumread varsoon both from setup specs AND the inherent riskiness of the claim after Suka’s following claim

“if you want but you're the only confident town read I have and I have hashed everything out with the others already.”

“I'm not "giving up", but I have spent a LOT of effort on this game and these votes are a slap in the face.”

Say you are town. Is it worse at endgame and I show green and your effort has been worthless? PS its deeply concerning you dont have any other town-reads other than obv-claim town?

“I agree that there is one scum in the ascetic, and commuter claims. It is not the commuter.”

X-shot Commuter and UB doesn’t make sense. If you think creature is town, then you need to discount town-varsoon. read


I'll wait for DDL to post his catch up. After that, we can look at the better lynch between the two.

I’m likely not moving from mbaki. This is scum flail not town flail I think.

Do let me know if anyone wants me to highlight and explain any logic/thought process on mbaki's case. Not the ambiguous type like “tone has shifted” please.
“He town read me to let me loltunnel three town lynches (although really, I had nothing to do with the BEF lynch, he was l-1 before I read the thread). Once my bad reads were exhausted, he switched gears completely. I commented on his callout of 2008 being bad at the time, too.”

Yes – that’s absolutely a natural level of thought process. You are town until he pushed one too many scum.

“His suggestion that the mislynches are my fault is also ludicrous. He was a big advocate of lynching BEF, and didn't even defend Vork. Hell, probably one of his longest posts this game:”

I was wrong on BEF. That doesn’t make me scum.

“Since most of us are scumreading Oka, it makes sense to lynch there to relieve some pressure.”

No. Almost surely no.

“I will not be alive tomorrow, but I believe it would be in town's best interest to lynch in DDL, and mbaki, who are almost certainly SvT. Both of these players had strange connections with the flipped traitor RC; mbaki's implications were worse imo.”

Should solve this today almost surely. With one of our flip, the other one should be very likely confirmed, which would also help with the progression of the game.

“Varsoon clearly has no team. Creature is Creature. Kmd doesn't look to be setting up for anything. Oka, DDL, and mbaki, on the otherhand are all distancing, while soft pushing each other.”

I’m unconvinced about creature here still.

I’ll actually read Oka’s manifesto, but probably later today after a few drinks.
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Post Post #2824 (isolation #164) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:05 am

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In post 2777, Moongrass wrote:@DDL: could you give a ranked list of your reads? It would also help to explain why your solve includes Oka, and yet you do not think that he is the optimal lynch?

I've reread a few parts of the game, and I can see a possible scum Creature. I can't shake the almost palpable desperation of Oka trying to rush through today though. (@Oka: I have read your cases...something something pie)

Can you talk about how you 180'd on your reads SOD?
My solution is creature mbaki that's why I refusing oka. What's SOD? If you are saying how you dont have doubts on your reads you're delusional.
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Post Post #2825 (isolation #165) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:06 am

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In post 2777, Moongrass wrote:@DDL: could you give a ranked list of your reads? It would also help to explain why your solve includes Oka, and yet you do not think that he is the optimal lynch?

I've reread a few parts of the game, and I can see a possible scum Creature. I can't shake the almost palpable desperation of Oka trying to rush through today though. (@Oka: I have read your cases...something something pie)

Can you talk about how you 180'd on your reads SOD?
In post 2802, Varsoon wrote:So we can pretty much rule out Moongrass and KMD, yeah?

This shouldn't be such an annoying solve.
Honestly,
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VOTE: DDL
I'm fine with you voting me but I'm not fine with you voting your scun read.
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Post Post #2827 (isolation #166) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:08 am

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In post 2822, Varsoon wrote:Wanted to think over things more but eh
VOTE: DDL
I don't think this is gonna flip scum, though.
I really think my solve is right.
Why are you voting me or you don5 think I slip scum. Its not like we dont have time to discuss more. And I have not been that absent.
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Post Post #2828 (isolation #167) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:10 am

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I'm ok with getting lynched due to being scumread. What the fuck is going on here I'm not sure.
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Post Post #2829 (isolation #168) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:11 am

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In post 2816, Moongrass wrote:
Intent
Why?
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Post Post #2830 (isolation #169) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:15 am

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Why I 180 at start of Day 3 is because Dann got lynched, I scumread him so I had to reevaluate my reads. I recalled I didnt like mbaki eod post so I focused there. And continuing reading, I didnt like what i saw further. My read on Oka was contingent on BEF flipping town. I think I iterated, only sxum doesnt want the neop investig.
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Tbh I'm really confused at this last minute wagon on me. So pls give some context
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Post Post #2831 (isolation #170) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:20 am

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Ugh reading the last page makes me sick. I'm going to sleep.
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Post Post #2833 (isolation #171) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:26 am

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In post 2832, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2823, mbaki wrote:Remind me what your solve is?
Creature, Oka, Mbaki, in that order.
Cool so why the fuck are you voting me, with you scun read 2 and 3
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Post Post #2836 (isolation #172) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:29 am

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I'm willing to do creature by eod. But I'm not sure if theres wide enough support. Plus I pref an mbaki or me flip for sake of clarity
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Post Post #2837 (isolation #173) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:31 am

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In post 2835, Varsoon wrote:But I was votin you cus I'm fairly low confidence and I don't know for sure what's what and you did ping me early but like
I feel like I was kept alive specifically because someone wanted me to vote for you in LYLO.
So no thanks man
I dont know what's going on in ur head. You are kept alive regardless since your play day 1 2 3 sucked. This I agree wholeheartedly with mbaki
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Post Post #2906 (isolation #174) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:36 pm

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heads up I'm flying in 10 hours, and I'll be intermittently busy, but will be checking the state of the game
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Post Post #2909 (isolation #175) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:42 pm

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In post 2008, mbaki wrote:Well, my plan for the day was to lurk and find who I think the last scum is because I think I'm probably dying next. I haven't cleared anybody including Dannflor for ~paranoia~.

That said, because there's a hammer my reads are about this:
Dannflor / Creature*
Varsoon / Oka / Suka
DDL
Kmd

and please don't get unmotivated if we don't lynch right first try, 1 scum to a lot of townies is bad odds and I've seen towns drop games due to apathy that comes with a big early lead.

I WAS waiting, but since the days done:
Kmd, why am I and Suka likely scum to you? Talking about Suka being an odd pick for a Fish partner, and you are now the only player scumreading me I believe.
That leads to Oka, what made you change your mind on my slot?

DDL and Varsoon, you have both done little which makes your jabs at each other amusing to me. Varsoon and Creature, what is overtly scummy about DDL? Why have you been tunneled on bum since day 1?
this one, but I don't remember why clearly. I think it has something to do with "please don't get unmotivated if we don't lynch right first try" it seems very much the style of lets keep mislynching off this list. And the final line reads a bit of scum jeering.
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Post Post #2910 (isolation #176) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:45 pm

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In post 2864, Creature wrote:My role can be proved if Varsoon targets me
lets discuss this. Is this true?
Can there be a scum commuter?
If it is true, then resolving {mbaki, dolittle} should have priority today
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Post Post #2912 (isolation #177) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:53 pm

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im not sure what to do to be honest.

flipping creature is good because if creature is green, mbaki becomes relatively less likely to be scum due to interaction with oka (i.e. I'm willing to follow Varsoon's plan) and I'm willing to reevaluate the slot again.

if creature is red, I think mbaki is the preferred lynch.

but again this hinges on whether flipping creature is the correct play since perhaps he can be verified.
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Post Post #2913 (isolation #178) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:56 pm

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Wheres oka
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Post Post #2918 (isolation #179) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:03 pm

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moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
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Post Post #2934 (isolation #180) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:11 pm

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In post 2924, Creature wrote:
In post 2919, Creature wrote:Do you think follower + voyeur + ascetic + 2-shot commuter would be sufficient power for town?
Idts
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Post Post #2937 (isolation #181) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm

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In post 2931, mbaki wrote:Can you show a town game where you case in a similar manner and confidence?
FWIW I played a game with oka town where i recall he was pretty confident
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Post Post #2942 (isolation #182) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:14 pm

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In post 2934, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 2924, Creature wrote:
In post 2919, Creature wrote:Do you think follower + voyeur + ascetic + 2-shot commuter would be sufficient power for town?
Idts
But I'm also not NRG so maybe someone with more exp can chime in. In particular recall that means varsoon is a nonscum goon
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Post Post #2943 (isolation #183) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:14 pm

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I mean non vanilla goon
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Post Post #2962 (isolation #184) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:38 pm

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Chicken pot pie is very good
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Post Post #2964 (isolation #185) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:40 pm

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I'm unconvinced by the case. All three parts are not smoking guns.
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Post Post #2995 (isolation #186) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:23 pm

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I want a mbaki lynch. If mbaki is green, it's probably gg since the next hammer is on me, although I'll try my best to fight it, but in the mbaki green flip I have no inklink on who is scum. Maybe kmd? I find it hard to believe a creature/oka team. It's a pretty bold move to claim two pr that similar in nature.

At night I want creature to commute and varsoon to verify. If inconsistent, lynch Creature then Varsoon for solve. If consistent, I'm more likely to push Oka I think.
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Post Post #2999 (isolation #187) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:34 am

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In post 2997, Moongrass wrote:DDL, if Varsoon is a Voyeur, then he only sees actions performed on his target. Not the action the target took...and even then, Creature is a commuter, nothing can target him when he uses the action.
yeah I wonder whether creature is even commuter. Scum-commuter makes little sense imo
so I want to see whether varsoon gets a no result
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Post Post #3000 (isolation #188) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:34 am

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btw im here to engage for the next hour or so before flight takes off.
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Post Post #3004 (isolation #189) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:04 am

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no actioon vs no result is different.
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Post Post #3006 (isolation #190) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:06 am

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=No_result

I think if creature is scum... he's not a commuter.
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Post Post #3007 (isolation #191) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:13 am

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i really think this is the right play. L4feedback
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Post Post #3013 (isolation #192) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:30 am

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force creature to commute today or get lynched tomorrow
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Post Post #3015 (isolation #193) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:52 am

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I think oka creature can be solved partially tomorrow via varsoon checking creature. So I dont even want to touch these two for now. What we need to know is how mbaki dolittle plays out. Sets town up in a way better position.

Plus, I scumread creature a tad more than oka I think
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Post Post #3016 (isolation #194) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:53 am

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Because oka could have hammered me easily when I'm l minus 1, and oka mbaki doesnt make sense. And I cant see oka scum making that manifesto on varsoon when there are easier lunches to push
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Post Post #3231 (isolation #195) » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:38 pm

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Tbh same fam
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Post Post #3246 (isolation #196) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:15 am

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In post 2083, DrDolittle wrote:oka's scum because how much he's scared of bef being killed yesterday since he didn't want a neop shot
I should have stronger conviction in this hard evidence.

So which one of kmd/mbaki was more anti letting fish live?
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Post Post #3248 (isolation #197) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:19 am

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In post 2022, Dannflor wrote:DDL you are a very mixed read to me with some of your slot reading very scummy and some of your slot reading very town, so I don't really know where to sort you. I would lean more town than scum just based on gut though. At a surface level, yours and Varsoon's posts do look similar.
In post 2038, Dannflor wrote:I didn't imply I thought it was DDL, just that his logic is off.
BTW to correct you mbaki dann thought i was town: see his last couple of posts
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Post Post #3249 (isolation #198) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:20 am

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In post 3247, mbaki wrote:That is completely irrelevant, it is not hard evidence. It was very clear his claim was fake.
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Post Post #3253 (isolation #199) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:26 am

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yeah i vaguely recall kmd was pretty high strung on fish.

but i disagree. I think creature's awesome strat of letting fish live another day is the correct play.
(creature this is me trying to buddy you)
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