Open 745: 9:12 [Game Over]

[Eragon]

its really late and im still doing homework, but ill try to post a little.


So, First off, what the fuck just happened with that flip and how is it humanely possible for that to happen.

Second off, either im majorly misjudging the absolute stupidty of some people, or im falling into the trap of WIFOM.

Why does SA make that nightkill?

first off, He would have known you(slaxx) were going to push him, as you said so.
He also knew, as he responded to the post that i made, about me firmly believing him and pinkball were TvS.
so, if he is scum and knows pinkball is town, why would he do something that makes me believe even more that he is scum?
that doesnt seem like a good play.

IMO more likely it was someone trying to get me to push SA, and draw my attention away. Im not going to bother diving into who this would be, because its dumb speculation that means nothing.

Im really conflicted now.

My heart is telling me to follow my gut and to keep firm on my reads, going after SA today

but my brain is screaming that scum wouldnt be stupid enough to confirm the other person in the "TvS pair" as town

[Eragon]

Slaxx do i feel my heart/gut or my brain and logic

both have worked for me in the past, both have failed me in the past

[kitcat]

VOTE: slaxx

I think I'd like to start here. You had like one post that I liked in twilight but other than that I don't think you've been much townie at all.

I still think vizzy and eragon are fairly strongly town, and rooroo probably is too.
I was probably going to push pink ball today so I guess it's a good thing that he died. It's a bit of a surprising nk though. I would have expected eragon or vizzy instead.

And sorry for being on that wagon - I didn't think there was much danger leaving it there because I wasn't exactly expecting an imminent wagon on him or for the day to end or anything.

[Eragon]

1. CultofAthena
2. Sleepless Assassin
6. rooroo
7. Slaxx
8. kitcat

gah im trying to think of my town block.

Invisibility for sure.

Slaxx i initially scumread but i liked the RTI and their recent posts, but i dont think im ready for town block yet

Sleepless assasin certainly not townblock

kitcat i felt confident about but now im doubting based on some things slaxx pointed out

rooroo doesnt have enough for me to be confident about

cult for sure not

so if i had to make a bracket

it would look something around

top town- {invisi}
town leans-{slaxx, kitcat}
around nullish-{rooroo, assasin}
scum -{cult}


I have assasin basically in null rn because im still trying to figure out if he would pull that NK for WIFOM purposes or if someone else did that to get me to push him stronger.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: slaxx

I think I'd like to start here. You had like one post that I liked in twilight but other than that I don't think you've been much townie at all.

I still think vizzy and eragon are fairly strongly town, and rooroo probably is too.
I was probably going to push pink ball today so I guess it's a good thing that he died. It's a bit of a surprising nk though. I would have expected eragon or vizzy instead.

And sorry for being on that wagon - I didn't think there was much danger leaving it there because I wasn't exactly expecting an imminent wagon on him or for the day to end or anything.

I was really expecting Vizzy to get killed, and I'll leave it at that.

What was the townie post and what specifically do you not like about me? It is day two, it is time to start articulating your reads.

[kitcat]

Why are you townreading slaxx?

[Slaxx]

1. CultofAthena
2. Sleepless Assassin
6. rooroo
7. Slaxx
8. kitcat

gah im trying to think of my town block.

Invisibility for sure.

Slaxx i initially scumread but i liked the RTI and their recent posts, but i dont think im ready for town block yet

Sleepless assasin certainly not townblock

kitcat i felt confident about but now im doubting based on some things slaxx pointed out

rooroo doesnt have enough for me to be confident about

cult for sure not

so if i had to make a bracket

it would look something around

top town- {invisi}
town leans-{slaxx, kitcat}
around nullish-{rooroo, assasin}
scum -{cult}


I have assasin basically in null rn because im still trying to figure out if he would pull that NK for WIFOM purposes or if someone else did that to get me to push him stronger.

I actually think kitcat is more town now, as we discussed yesterday, she only looked bad with a scum flip from Eyes. Not as town as you and Izzy but not someone I want to really vote.

[kitcat]

Eh I think kitcat can be town if Eyes is town

I’d be adding that to my lynchpool with a red flip from eyes

The bolded. If you're scum you knew he was flipping town and by saying you'd have me as town on an eyes green flip you're limiting your lynchpool.

This is just about the only thing from you that I've found townie.

[kitcat]

what specifically do you not like about me?

Didn't really like your eyes push

[Slaxx]

Eh I think kitcat can be town if Eyes is town

I’d be adding that to my lynchpool with a red flip from eyes

The bolded. If you're scum you knew he was flipping town and by saying you'd have me as town on an eyes green flip you're limiting your lynchpool.

This is just about the only thing from you that I've found townie.

Okay cool now articulate your scumread on me so maybe we can work through it, because I don't think you're scum here and I think I have a solid little townread block.

[Slaxx]

what specifically do you not like about me?

Didn't really like your eyes push

Specifically?

[Eragon]

Why are you townreading slaxx?

its more of a townlean and like i said the RTI and some recent posts.

its late and i dont really have time to grab them but i can articulate it later.

also post count and interaction with thread in general.


my paranoia is kicking in and i can see like almost anyone flipping scum except for vizzy.


im hoping its just drowsiness but i'll relook when im on the bus tommorow

[kitcat]

I don't know. It didn't feel right.
I know that's not very helpful

I'll go back to pull up the posts I didn't like, give me a minute

Why do I look better on an eyes townflip?

[kitcat]

Like I don't follow why town.me follows from town.eyes

[Eragon]

I don't know. It didn't feel right.
I know that's not very helpful

I'll go back to pull up the posts I didn't like, give me a minute

Why do I look better on an eyes townflip?

i second this question.

why would it look good to--even RvS-- vote camp on a flipped towny?

[Slaxx]

I don't know. It didn't feel right.
I know that's not very helpful

I'll go back to pull up the posts I didn't like, give me a minute

Why do I look better on an eyes townflip?

Eragon and I talked yesterday about it. Basically you really seemed to give him a chance to try to work his way out of the initial suspicion on him and that felt genuine. So you probably shared his alignment.

I don't regret that push, he was legitimately scummy all the way up until the flip. Wrong is wrong and a mislynch never helps but whatever you have concerns with I can address. Probably not RTI tho cuz I gotta sleep.

[Slaxx]

248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.

He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.

[Eragon]

248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.

He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.

but kitcat also rescinded the townpings

[Eragon]

Slaxx do i feel my heart/gut or my brain and logic

both have worked for me in the past, both have failed me in the past

[Slaxx]

248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.

He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.

but kitcat also rescinded the townpings

Yeah, right around the time I voted him and he started getting really scummy. I can't exactly fault kitcat for that, if I thought the same way they did.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx do i feel my heart/gut or my brain and logic

both have worked for me in the past, both have failed me in the past

My knee jerk reaction is SA, but I really thought Eyes flipped red there so I am a bit shaken in my own reads. Still, You and Izzy are town. Roo I am a bit less sure of and they are probably in the same ballpark as kitcat. So that leaves cult and SA. We really need more from cult.

[kitcat]

So even then, you went from having no reads to having reads in 20 posts? Still makes no sense.

Your reads list was incredibly opaque and came 19 minutes after you said there wasn’t much content for you to get reads from.

It's hard for me to put into words but this part of the push feels off.

Like it feels like you found something contradictory or strange that you're pushing him for, but not something that's like actually scummy? Like you're pushing him for not making sense, and for suddenly forming reads, which aren't inherently scummy traits really.

I did that on purpose. It gave you a nice excuse to not answer the game/related question, which I figured might be the case. Just like when you slinked off when we were in discussion and tried to reintegrate like nothing happened after other people started talking:

This almost feels like you were baiting him to answer something badly and make himself look bad. It's pretty apparent you're a lot better at arguing and explaining yourself than he is, and this feels a little like you're taking advantage of that.

And like your whole tone in twilight feels bad, almost cocky? Not sure the right words to describe it. Like 388. Overconfident almost that he was flipping scum?

Also you switched really fast to the notion that he might green and what might happen after which doesn't really match how confident you were that he was flipping scum just posts before

You were also setting up a SA push in the event of greenflip

Ok I think that's most of what was bothering me

[kitcat]

Basically you really seemed to give him a chance to try to work his way out of the initial suspicion on him and that felt genuine

Where did I do this?
Also I'll be around tomorrow if you gotta leave

[Slaxx]

248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.

He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.

Answer to your post about where you did this ^

[kitcat]

248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.

He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.

Ah ok

I probably would have if I was around during the L-1 thing - it didn't feel like something that came from scum really

p-edit sorry, I hadn't seen that while wrting up the post going through your ISO