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Post Post #850  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:35 am

In post 798, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 789, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 586, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 583, u r a person 2 wrote:meta,

We honestly can't apply BoP because we have no idea what people's alignments are. More that we think the subconscious mindset you've presented with some of your reads has been scum indicative.

We really don't believe in reading people via bop at all. Categorically.

I was looking for some stuff in this game which I should townread. Sorry if this felt like a breakthrough but I'm not sure how to see anything AI in the BoP argument. It might be slightly towny because of the disconnect maybe? But then scum who are caught for the wrong reason often react the same way. So I'm quite net null on it :(


Can you please explain BoP, thanks. And yes, I know it stands for burden of proficiency but I don’t know what that means?

Burden of proficiency.
Basically, the idea that "because Player X isn't proficient, they must be scum". For example, saying "because Nancy mislynched scum and had bad reads she must be scum". It's a nonsensical argument.

Here URAP2 is suggesting I'm BoPing him because I'm saying "because you didn't have the same read as us on a lurker post, you must be scum".

I'd argue when some people derp in places they usually wouldn't it can be a scum tell - but certain people in certain scenarios.

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Post Post #851  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:36 am

In post 842, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 559, Varsoon wrote:Shooting you confirms me as town.

hate when people say stuff like this.... tell me why because I'm thick

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In post 673, Krazy wrote:
In post 562, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1, Krazy wrote:
  • This is a confirmed single-ball game with no third party roles. The distribution of players will be 11 town vs 3 mafia
  • There will be a role similar to a town-aligned vigilante in this game
  • This game will feature roles that interact with the order of players in the player list, but the primary emphasis will still be on day play and not night actions.


@Mod: Can we take the point quoted here to indicate that there will be a TOWN-ALIGNED role that is similar to a Vigilante this game?


Yes.


Should be all you need, from the mod's mouth.

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Post Post #852  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:04 am

if we are lynching nico for lurking why don't we get Vars to vig it

or koki

or I haven't seen much from mewptah


or we put these slots to a vig-vote to get association tells later ?

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Post Post #853  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:07 am

I can't shoot anymore today.
My shot was used.

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Post Post #854  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:14 am

In post 843, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 599, u r a person 2 wrote:ProFlavor's game is remarkably light. They are scum reading one person for lurking, me for voting a lurker, and T&L because they always town read them early, as far as I can recall.They also have a bunch of naked town reads. Currently trying to engage that slot, but I don't have any reason to town read them

interestingly phrased, are you saying you don't town read therefore it's null or are you saying you don't town read me therefore you scum read ?

yes, both? I've got a lot of town reads and next to zero scum reads so my thinking is in poe mode if that makes sense.
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Post Post #855  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:24 am

What are your reads, URAP2?
Care to share who you are PoE'ing through and why?
I've been just kinda glossing your recent posts, so if there's answers there, sorry.
Feed it to me

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Post Post #856  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:45 am

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Every now and then, I look back at old posts I made and I crack a smile, because damn, I love myself.

Shit like this brightens my day:

Subject: Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

Varsoon wrote:
In post 564, SirCakez wrote:Right, except you flipped out, not just "detailing what was wrong with the post"


Until I begin posting videos of Macho Man Randy Savage and making photoshop edits of Charles Barkley, I have not yet flipped out.
Did I go a little hard in the paint?
Sure.
That's what pressure looks like.

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Post Post #857  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:31 am

In post 846, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 705, Varsoon wrote:Literally no one has ever blacklisted me.

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to be fair when I blacklist people I don't tell them, I just don't join games they are in - like I already saw a post from nancy about how blacklists should be banned and I fully agree - however, if I think someone is a numpty who cant behave I will avoid them and because I'm old and boring I just keep it to myself.

not directed at you as I'm not blacklisting you but I just wanted to add my comments on this as it's like a really easy problem to solve - be civil and if you cant shut up and don't play :lol:


Well, that of course is fine and I’m not referring to that. I’m referring to the obscene and arrogant behaviour which involves actually attempting to try to dictate to another member on this site, which games they are allowed to play, which is entirely different, obviously.
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Post Post #858  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:35 am

In post 852, ProFlavor wrote:if we are lynching nico for lurking why don't we get Vars to vig it

or koki

or I haven't seen much from mewptah


or we put these slots to a vig-vote to get association tells later ?


I am not voting Nico for lurking but for a likely scummy post she made about being very unhappy with something, apparently game related - very likely referencing her role pm and when I requested further clarification on this, she failed to respond to it.
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Post Post #859  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:07 am

In post 853, Varsoon wrote:I can't shoot anymore today.
My shot was used.

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should have let people nominate a vig shot mr super duper reaction test man. :(

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Post Post #860  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:16 am

In post 38, NicoRobin wrote:I am in this game.

In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.

In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiipppp

I assume you mean the middle post Mem?

Looks like Nico asked to be in the replace queue @ signups but obviously got in to start which is the disgruntlement - arguably the issue start prior to role PMs being dished out so it's technically NAI - from a purely logical perspective it makes my interpretation of Nico setting herself up to lurk on purpose "well I didn't want to play anyway" vibe less relevant

which makes the whole lurker style thing anti town but not necessarily scummy.

I don't like lurkers but that's a policy not a scum read :@

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Post Post #861  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:16 am

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Post Post #862  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:36 am

In post 860, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 38, NicoRobin wrote:I am in this game.

In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.

In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiipppp

I assume you mean the middle post Mem?

Looks like Nico asked to be in the replace queue @ signups but obviously got in to start which is the disgruntlement - arguably the issue start prior to role PMs being dished out so it's technically NAI - from a purely logical perspective it makes my interpretation of Nico setting herself up to lurk on purpose "well I didn't want to play anyway" vibe less relevant

which makes the whole lurker style thing anti town but not necessarily scummy.

I don't like lurkers but that's a policy not a scum read :@


That wasn’t how I interpreted it. “Why again”, why again WHAT exactly? Which is why I requested she clarify, what she was talking about but she never answered my question.

I do have a scumlean and ftr, I am in most circumstances opposed to policy lynches.
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Post Post #863  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:40 am

In post 751, Almost Chara wrote:@Michael Scott: You answered your own question. Any experienced player wouldn't claim Vig knowing there IS a Vig that would shoot them, except if they were @L-1 maybe (and it still would have been a bad move), and Varsoon wasn't even under pressure.

I had a thought that I was cop in overkill 2 - claimed on day 1 and last 5 days somehow

so given Varsoon likes a fake claim and has meta for it would I believe scum!varsoon would claim a role (at least a variant of said role) that we know exists and therefore risk either a cc or worse yet, would shoot him just to try and get the town cred of IC status.


that means you are gambling on 1 of 2 things being true to keep you going:

1. the real vig going "oh varsoon just a fake claim he does that for lulz I wont shoot him"
2. the existence of a protection & said protection actually believes the claim.

then another issue - the shot failed and has 'expired' for today somehow - This implies another go tomorrow- on the fact that Varsoon was confident enough today, you can't bottle it tomorrow and say you're not sure so holstering, you'd surely get lynched tomorrow

All these options severely reduce the lifespan of varsoon regardless of any wifom - my gut is telling me to not believe the claim but the logic is saying there is no advantage to scum of claiming


so a weird reluctant town read :lol:

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Post Post #864  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:03 pm

Oh, yeah, people should probably come to a consensus for my next vig. Even if I don't make it through the night, it'd be useful info out there.

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Post Post #865  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:06 pm

In post 863, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 751, Almost Chara wrote:@Michael Scott: You answered your own question. Any experienced player wouldn't claim Vig knowing there IS a Vig that would shoot them, except if they were @L-1 maybe (and it still would have been a bad move), and Varsoon wasn't even under pressure.

I had a thought that I was cop in overkill 2 - claimed on day 1 and last 5 days somehow

so given Varsoon likes a fake claim and has meta for it would I believe scum!varsoon would claim a role (at least a variant of said role) that we know exists and therefore risk either a cc or worse yet, would shoot him just to try and get the town cred of IC status.


that means you are gambling on 1 of 2 things being true to keep you going:

1. the real vig going "oh varsoon just a fake claim he does that for lulz I wont shoot him"
2. the existence of a protection & said protection actually believes the claim.

then another issue - the shot failed and has 'expired' for today somehow - This implies another go tomorrow- on the fact that Varsoon was confident enough today, you can't bottle it tomorrow and say you're not sure so holstering, you'd surely get lynched tomorrow

All these options severely reduce the lifespan of varsoon regardless of any wifom - my gut is telling me to not believe the claim but the logic is saying there is no advantage to scum of claiming


so a weird reluctant town read :lol:

~woof


If you recall in Overkill 2, he walked back his vig claim and acknowledged it was fake. Here, he is sticking to it.
Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

(I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #866  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:11 pm

I don't but that only adds to my point I suppose

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Post Post #867  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:24 pm

In post 866, ProFlavor wrote:I don't but that only adds to my point I suppose

~ woof


Yeah in Overkill 2, the way he walked back that claim. was super sketchy, so I really can’t see any scum motivation to stick with the claim, so yeah, I agree, probably town.

I also agree getting a town consensus first, would be nice. If the shot had been successful and Stw had flipped town, how would that have helped us?
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Post Post #868  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:54 pm

In post 855, Varsoon wrote:What are your reads, URAP2?
Care to share who you are PoE'ing through and why?
I've been just kinda glossing your recent posts, so if there's answers there, sorry.
Feed it to me

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lots out of game on my plate today. haven't read over yesterday yet. this is where im at right now. I'm also interested in taly as I continue doing a round of looking at my town reads.

1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) town
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) ???
3. Mewtaph ???
4. u r a person 2 hey, that's me
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) town
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) town
7. pinturucchio town
8. nicorobin ???
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) ???
10. Kokichi Oma ???
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) town
12. alchemist21 town
13. Taly town
14. Varsoon town
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Post Post #869  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:59 pm

oh and i think someone asked me if im an alt, im not
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Post Post #870  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:16 pm

In post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 855, Varsoon wrote:What are your reads, URAP2?
Care to share who you are PoE'ing through and why?
I've been just kinda glossing your recent posts, so if there's answers there, sorry.
Feed it to me

-V

lots out of game on my plate today. haven't read over yesterday yet. this is where im at right now. I'm also interested in taly as I continue doing a round of looking at my town reads.

1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) town
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) ???
3. Mewtaph ???
4. u r a person 2 hey, that's me
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) town
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) town
7. pinturucchio town
8. nicorobin ???
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) ???
10. Kokichi Oma ???
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) town
12. alchemist21 town
13. Taly town
14. Varsoon town

Your read list is like a lot of town reads and question marks on the lurkier slots

I did a similar read list and got similar results in my hydra PT

So when STW said this game is hard to read I kinda town read that - because for this reason, it kinda is

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Post Post #871  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:17 pm

In post 870, profii wrote:
In post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 855, Varsoon wrote:What are your reads, URAP2?
Care to share who you are PoE'ing through and why?
I've been just kinda glossing your recent posts, so if there's answers there, sorry.
Feed it to me

-V

lots out of game on my plate today. haven't read over yesterday yet. this is where im at right now. I'm also interested in taly as I continue doing a round of looking at my town reads.

1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) town
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) ???
3. Mewtaph ???
4. u r a person 2 hey, that's me
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) town
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) town
7. pinturucchio town
8. nicorobin ???
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) ???
10. Kokichi Oma ???
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) town
12. alchemist21 town
13. Taly town
14. Varsoon town

Your read list is like a lot of town reads and question marks on the lurkier slots

I did a similar read list and got similar results in my hydra PT

So when STW said this game is hard to read I kinda town read that - because for this reason, it kinda is

Woof oops sorry

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Post Post #872  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:27 pm

Townleaning both rotisserie slap chop and Bono.
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Post Post #873  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:45 pm

In post 870, profii wrote:
In post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 855, Varsoon wrote:What are your reads, URAP2?
Care to share who you are PoE'ing through and why?
I've been just kinda glossing your recent posts, so if there's answers there, sorry.
Feed it to me

-V

lots out of game on my plate today. haven't read over yesterday yet. this is where im at right now. I'm also interested in taly as I continue doing a round of looking at my town reads.

1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) town
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) ???
3. Mewtaph ???
4. u r a person 2 hey, that's me
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) town
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) town
7. pinturucchio town
8. nicorobin ???
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) ???
10. Kokichi Oma ???
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) town
12. alchemist21 town
13. Taly town
14. Varsoon town

Your read list is like a lot of town reads and question marks on the lurkier slots

I did a similar read list and got similar results in my hydra PT

So when STW said this game is hard to read I kinda town read that - because for this reason, it kinda is


I’m in the same boat. Everyone is either Towny or null.

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Post Post #874  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:47 pm

In post 872, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Townleaning both rotisserie slap chop and Bono.


Who’s rotisserie slap chop?

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