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I think both alignments do it and it's a site-meta thing.In post 35, OkaPoka wrote:
Do you think scum or town or both alignments do that? Is it a person thing or an alignment thing? Why do you think people act this way?In post 33, Varsoon wrote:I don't think RVS or RQS suck, I just think that people use RVS as an excuse to not have to be held accountable for their early play.
VOTE: OkaPoka
But why are you dropping a thick text block theorycrafting instead of addressing the fact we've got a wagon at L-3?
I don't feel like I need to address the wagon? It exists, great. But nothing has been said so far that makes me feel like I can make a judgement call on someone's alignment. L-3 isn't L-1.
I think that it's a nice bit for a thread on the General Mafia Discussion forums and really doesn't have much place here, given we're already out of RVS.
Please engage with the game at hand.
VOTE: YyottaCat
Alright now it's L-2.
What do you think of the wagon and the players voting it, OkaPoka?- Varsoon
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I'm with mbaki on this.
If you want to have a theory thread, do that in General Mafia Discussion.
Otherwise, please engage with the game at hand.
The more you give excuses not to, the more suspicious it makes me of you.
If you want to establish some baseline to read players from, look at their previous games. Asking them, in a game thread, to answer one way, allows them to be duplicitous in their responses and stay consistent with the self they want to project, meaning that it's likely a useless endeavor.
Even if you understood my fundamental means of thinking of the game, I don't think that would help you solve my alignment, as my play is vastly different based on role, players present, and other contexts.- Varsoon
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That's what I'm saying.
He's specifically taking this vanity wagon and also downplaying a different one.
Feels like a very weird and noncommittal thing to do.
Like if he's so sure he's got scum and this other person isn't scum
You'd think there'd be some justifications for that or some sort of indication in his interactions
But it's not
It's just like an excuse to put himself in a position that looks informed when it isn't
Maybe that's not opportunistic, but I see it as kinda exploitative of the current situation.- Varsoon
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Sounds like a response from scum that's blown out that they got caught so easily.In post 121, DrDolittle wrote:Wow Varsoon you are brilliantly on point wow
But for real
Explain your reads?- Varsoon
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Woah, woah, woah.
Slow down.
A player of my caliber?
What informs this?
Also, I don't see how you get off playing the 'Varsoon is experienced' card while also casting my postulation that 'Nero sorts himself out' as pocketing rather than me just sharing meta experience.
As for my YYotta vote, that was never a serious vote and was only meant to highlight Oka talking out of their ass.- Varsoon
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I typically scumread people I don't like.In post 263, OkaPoka wrote:I guess we'll see.
Do you typically scumread people who fence-sit?
Do you hate people who can't give a straight yes or no?
Do you like 1v1ing people?
I don't hate anyone, really--but I don't like when people are furtive about a position they hold.
1v1s can be exhausting but I get caught up in them a lot because I get passionate about my reads and conf-bias into my own reads confidence a lot.- Varsoon
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Dude it's a 14 page gameIn post 342, BrightEyedFish wrote:anyone want to help me get caught up? Is YyottaCat still the best lynch?
Even if you had to read literally all 341 others posts again, that'd take, what, 20 minutes?
VOTE: Bright Eyed Fish
Lolcatchmeup bruv- Varsoon
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Yeah, he's my third teammate. My earlier stunt was just distancing with him. I'm probably not going to return to any more meaningful interactions with his slot since I coached him into ghosting to alleviate pressure while town imploded.In post 335, rb wrote:friendly reminder that drdolittle is scum- Varsoon
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It might be that I'm being critical of something you feel isn't an issue.
I don't understand why you'd ask for help on a catchup when your last post before that was only 6 pages out.
Why not just read those pages?
If you wanted to ask a specific player about their thoughts/reads/reactions to the last few pages, you could have done that, too.- Varsoon
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Who are these 5 mystery scummers?In post 416, rb wrote:i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now- Varsoon
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Wow so vote it
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Aint my fault if other threads are more interesting.In post 904, Creature wrote:*watches Varsoon posting elsewhere but not here*
I've said my piece here.
Try again.In post 906, Suka wrote:
Bright, Varsoon, & kmd. That's the scum.In post 904, Creature wrote:*watches Varsoon posting elsewhere but not here*- Varsoon
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In post 981, mbaki wrote:I believe that means Vorkuta is town?In post 984, OkaPoka wrote:i think this means anyone rb suspected = town?
i think then this game can be on lockWhy ya'll actin like you don't know how traitor works.
@MOD: Can you explain how the role you just flipped works? kthx
Obv that scum killed RB and didn't realize he was their traitor
If RB didn't know his team's identities, then alignment conclusions can't really be drawn.
Even if he did, I don't think it matters all that much.- Varsoon
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Yeah, I think mods not posting full role PMs and just relying on shorthand is confusing.
Especially since we don't have an agreed-upon nomenclature.
So when I see 'traitor' I just have to try to infer what that means and hope the mod's iteration is the same as the wiki's.
My thoughts are the same as ever. DDO's probably scum. Didn't BEF claim a guilty on you? What happened with that?
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What's a Normal Rolecop?- Varsoon
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Damn Creature, go be a less mean pokemon again.
Dude's scum, what's there to elaborate on?In post 1287, OkaPoka wrote:varsoon would u like to elaborate on ddl
B-sides, I don't have a ton of great leads otherwise.- Varsoon
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I think it's far less likely for single shot roles to exist in this game with the presence of voyeur, but I'm not about to spec 'cus mod WIFOM has screwed me in the past.In post 1903, DrDolittle wrote:with the voyeur + traitor flips this is likely to be a game of little PR powers. does 1-shot neop make sense in this set up?
Regardless
Judge people based on their play rather than the contents of their claim.- Varsoon
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I think scum'd pull off if they knew it'd flip town, if only to avoid catching flak for being on it.
I didn't like their early play and their constant interaction in the thread doesn't feel, to me, like they're trying to figure out the game nearly as much as it's just them setting up whatever lynch works. - Varsoon
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