Open 745: 9:12 [Game Over]

[Slaxx]

RooRoo, we already went over this during confirmation. You can’t claim scum in thread, they’ll catch on.

VOTE: StinkBull
ThinkBill
RinkCall
Shrinktall

VOTE: PinkBall there we go

Chainsaw for my buddy

[Slaxx]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kitcat

[Slaxx]

do tell

Is spamming the thread AI? Looks null/over-the-top to me.

[Slaxx]

I don’t do RQS if I think the questions are dumb.

The questions are dumb.

[Slaxx]

Oh God, kitcat still thinks scum don't draw attention.

Elaborate

[Slaxx]

Useless doesn’t mean scum.

What we could do is just rate the player list based on skill, then randomize rolls, then have the mod flip a role every five minutes from least to most useful and see who wins.

That’s the amount of effort you put into that vote.

[Slaxx]

Zippitty bippity bop

VOTE: Invisibility

[Slaxx]

cultofathena, why are dogs cute?
sleepless assassin, do you think that there's money to be made in smuggling memorabilia?
ofrhz, why did you roll scum?
eyes without a face, why did they stop making honey gold wheaties?
rooroo, what is your favorite shearable animal?
slaxx, should seesaws be banned?
kitcat, do you believe in ghosts?

please answer these questions everyone

I'll get back to you. I gotta ask OJ.

___________

Oh God, kitcat still thinks scum don't draw attention.

___________

Pink ball would probably be my second choice for a vote right now.

@Sleepless elaborate on the part about kitcat

[Slaxx]

Kitcat makes this mistake often?

[Slaxx]

Zippitty bippity bop

VOTE: Invisibility

Explain what scum motivation you see in Invis' play so far? This reads to me like voting someone just for not liking something that they did. You say that you don't like the amount of effort that he put into his vote – do you think that makes him scum?

Because I'm drawing attention? So you caught two scums because of calling attention? Is calling attention only a scum trait, or can town call attention too?

Is this at me? I don't believe that one alignment gets attention more than the other. It depends on the other players, not the player who attention is actually on. "Drawing attention" is a non-tell that new players tend to use as a tell.

You've seemingly indicated that I'm your first choice for a vote. Why? For that matter, why is Pink Ball your second choice?

#56 reads like projection. Confused as to how that post doesn’t feel forced to you?

[Slaxx]

Zippitty bippity bop

VOTE: Invisibility

Explain what scum motivation you see in Invis' play so far? This reads to me like voting someone just for not liking something that they did. You say that you don't like the amount of effort that he put into his vote – do you think that makes him scum?

Because I'm drawing attention? So you caught two scums because of calling attention? Is calling attention only a scum trait, or can town call attention too?

Is this at me? I don't believe that one alignment gets attention more than the other. It depends on the other players, not the player who attention is actually on. "Drawing attention" is a non-tell that new players tend to use as a tell.

You've seemingly indicated that I'm your first choice for a vote. Why? For that matter, why is Pink Ball your second choice?

#56 reads like projection. Confused as to how that post doesn’t feel forced to you?

did you know that 56 comes after 45

Which comes after 41-44

[Slaxx]

I guess I should have answered Athena more directly, I was more interested in 56 though.

Yeah I don’t typically like people parking votes on people for being useless.

[Slaxx]

Pressuring east targets instead of scummy targets

[Slaxx]

Meh UNVOTE:

Mod can we get a VC?

[Slaxx]

Is this at me? I don't believe that one alignment gets attention more than the other. It depends on the other players, not the player who attention is actually on. "Drawing attention" is a non-tell that new players tend to use as a tell.

I find this post scummy because it conflates attention-seeking with attention-receiving in order to discount a reasonable early townread and in doing so completely ignores motivation, which is often the primary thing town players are thinking about

This feels Town imo

What’s your issue with too?

[Slaxx]

Roo*

[Slaxx]

it's probably pink ball + someone, 4 is obvious svs.

Wait, did I roll scum?

upon rereading this feels like WEIRD
TALKING ABOUT SELF
ROOROO STOP BEING EGOTISTICAL
AAAAAA
but seriously it’s a really forced seeming joke
but i don’t think it leans pinku either way
ok lemme explain so rooroo was like yo let’s make a joke but her subconscious made her do a bad
it’s like a mix of hello fellow townies and feeling weird about talking about scum but not wanting to appear that way
like a less blatant lamist
what was I going to write here
oh yeah I’m confortable with my vote

P-edit

Oh okay.

Well you headed off the points I were gonna make about it being a really early read.

[Slaxx]

Heavily considering it. I’m on mobile and lazy, how many votes does he have? Not at L-1 right?

[Slaxx]

VOTE: ofhrZ

Willing to give pb time to deliver.

[Slaxx]

Oh country roads
Take me home
To the place
With the galllloooooooows

Lean town: (Izzy/Cult/Roo)
Null: (PB, Eyes, kit)
Slight Scum: (SA)
Lean Scum: (Ofhrz)

That's what I got. Way more confident on the top than bottom.

[Slaxx]

“Doesn’t work well with others”

[Slaxx]

i guess i should share i think kitcat sounds the most genuine

i also kinda like slaxx for town BUT IM NOT TELLING YOU WHY so he cant conform his play <=== invisibility

using the real smrats
lol i meant to spell my name wrong but i spelled it right on accident lmaomaomaoamoamaoma

pedit
UNVOTE:
uh ok

Scum points to SA for just totally ignoring the same “tell” on the same page as this one. Looks like someone interpreting selectively to fit a narrative.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx why are you voting ofrhz over sa rn?

I’m a sucker for a good wagon. Also I think I can sort ofhrZ easier so pressure is best spent there. Still circling SA.

[Slaxx]

I have no idea why people are suspecting other people and I feel like I'm in the wrong game. What are you people on about? Do you all know each other from before? I see new accounts but they talk to others back and forth like they already know each other.

ok I checked. kitcat and rooroo are totally new and this is their first game on the site = more confusion.

Who do you suspect?

[Slaxx]

I'm fine with Eyes being town as well for now.

Why

I think I can guess your response but I’m curious

[Slaxx]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SleeplessAssassin

[Slaxx]

Do other people here know roo’s main?

I feel like I’m missing something.

[Slaxx]

@invis: are you usually that flip floppy with your vote? and is it just at the start of the game or an all-game-long thing?

ofrhz replace out is odd. not sure why they would do that, but I think I read somewhere that it's against the rules if they were scum, so maybe they're town for that reason?

Whatever you read in that regard is wrong.

[Slaxx]

Lol

[Slaxx]

None of those reasons are reasons you think I’m Mafia

[Slaxx]

Oh Jesus am I gonna have to defend myself pbp?

136: How is it pocketing if we are both your strongest scumreads?

[Slaxx]

126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.

[Slaxx]

121: I pointed out an inconsistency in play. Also, “shading” by guessing a motive behind a post- isn’t that what we are all doing here? Doesn’t seem like shading.

[Slaxx]

135: My vote was to preside OfhrZ for a read because I felt like I could read him.

Why park my vote on a replacement when it can be used elsewhere? Come the hell on. In no way did I insinuate ofhrZ wasn’t scum by replacing our. Talk about assigning motivation to people christ

[Slaxx]

126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.

Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.

And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”

If you have a “good handle on reading him” then why didn’t you try reading the posts he made and commenting on them?

Lol. Look at his ISO. I needed more. Dude.

[Slaxx]

126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.

Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.

And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”

If you have a “good handle on reading him” then why didn’t you try reading the posts he made and commenting on them?

My vote was trying to sort him. To pressure him into actually playing.

[Slaxx]

Oh Jesus am I gonna have to defend myself pbp?

136: How is it pocketing if we are both your strongest scumreads?

1. I could be wrong about one or both of your alignments
2. NGL I have seen scum “pocket” scum before
3. It’s still a disgusting post

“3. It’s still a disgusting post” means like nothing.

1, yes you could. And 2, I don’t think that’s the right terminology but that’s not a fruitful discussion.

[Slaxx]

109 I liked him for town after “slaxx is town but I’m not gonna tell you why” that blatant calling out your lack of reasons I’ve found comes more from town. Scum either try to appease with reads or try to hide the fact they’re not giving strong reasons.

[Slaxx]

121: I pointed out an inconsistency in play. Also, “shading” by guessing a motive behind a post- isn’t that what we are all doing here? Doesn’t seem like shading.

I didn’t say you didnt point out an inconsistency.

I said you called him scum for something he hasn’t notably “passed” in thread yet and you didn’t know if he was going to comment on it.

It was after the post pinkball made(invisi’s post was) so until he has passed that point in thread you can’t assume that he won’t comment and that he’s scum for that.

Also, I pointed out the fact that the 2 scenarios are different.
Pinkball refuses any information/reads to give and invisible only didn’t fully explain one read.
Big difference there IMO


and I didn’t say guessing a motive
You assigned a motive to his posts, which is what I believe is shading.
That’s what I see, that’s what I think

Assigning a motive is literally what everyone who is trying to figure out this game is doing lmfao

[Slaxx]

#43: Because lynching the most useless player is a low effort vote. It’s an excuse to not discern alignment. Am I wrong here?

[Slaxx]

#49 Are you serious? I didn’t get an answer to my question and SA had posted since then. If anything I should be a townread for the follow up, in means I’m genuinely interested in the answer and not just trying to look busy

[Slaxx]

126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.

Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.

And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”

If you have a “good handle on reading him” then why didn’t you try reading the posts he made and commenting on them?

Lol. Look at his ISO. I needed more. Dude.

So you had him as a scumlean but needed more to read him???

How does that make sense?

Lean. Lean isn’t enough to lynch. I want a solid scumread. I mean if I’m 60/40 on him but think a pressure vote can make me 70/30 do I not go for it? Those numbers are arbitrary but help illustrate the point I’m making.

[Slaxx]

Ugh I think you might be town just based off your analysis but I feel like you took your read of me on page 1 and confbiased the hell out of it. Some of these points are straight up nonsensical, particularly 49. In no world should digging for info after you don’t feel like you’ve gotten enough be scumread.

[Slaxx]

#43: Because lynching the most useless player is a low effort vote. It’s an excuse to not discern alignment. Am I wrong here?

It’s not the idea that’s bad, it’s the tone.

As I expressed in the post about it.

You can have a correct idea and a scummy tone

Please do explain how the tone was scummy. It was a bad fucking vote.

[Slaxx]

#49 Are you serious? I didn’t get an answer to my question and SA had posted since then. If anything I should be a townread for the follow up, in means I’m genuinely interested in the answer and not just trying to look busy

Ok maybe that’s a bit much yes, but I still think you wait until it’s obvious he doesn’t respond, then ask.

Cause there’s a good possiblity he just didn’t reach that point in thread and was still catching up.

But I see it’s not really scummy so point dropped

If I ask a question and the poster is addressing issues in a similar area and mine doesn’t get addressed I’m going to follow up before I forget. It was important to me to get the answer.

[Slaxx]

Because. That. Vote. Was. Trash.

Because. The. Vote. Was. Low. Effort.

“Feels off” I can’t respond to

[Slaxx]

126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.

Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.

And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”

If you have a “good handle on reading him” then why didn’t you try reading the posts he made and commenting on them?

Lol. Look at his ISO. I needed more. Dude.

So you had him as a scumlean but needed more to read him???

How does that make sense?

Lean. Lean isn’t enough to lynch. I want a solid scumread. I mean if I’m 60/40 on him but think a pressure vote can make me 70/30 do I not go for it? Those numbers are arbitrary but help illustrate the point I’m making.

The point is why did you have him as a scumlean, not why you voted him.

#58 and #59 seemed a bit rushed and out of place. It was a very weak read. I think later in the game I say I’m more confident on town than scum reads.

[Slaxx]

So I actually am okay with some of the ofhrZ stuff. I’m playing closer to the cuff than I usually do and that’s on me. If I eat the rope, I’ve learned that playstyle isn’t my look.

But a lot of this peripheral stuff just feels like you wanted to add stuff to the case on me which I actually get if you’re trying to push a lynch but so much of it seems just... superfluous. Like even benign posts were assigned this inflated meaning.

[Slaxx]

#49 Are you serious? I didn’t get an answer to my question and SA had posted since then. If anything I should be a townread for the follow up, in means I’m genuinely interested in the answer and not just trying to look busy

Ok maybe that’s a bit much yes, but I still think you wait until it’s obvious he doesn’t respond, then ask.

Cause there’s a good possiblity he just didn’t reach that point in thread and was still catching up.

But I see it’s not really scummy so point dropped

If I ask a question and the poster is addressing issues in a similar area and mine doesn’t get addressed I’m going to follow up before I forget. It was important to me to get the answer.

And that’s why I said point dropped

Some of my pints might be single-sided becuase I’m trying to catchup and get back into the present so I can form some real-time reads, so I might have missed some perspective.
This is why I actually like stuff like this(the back-and-forth) Becuase it helps point out where I’m being a dumb fuck and makes me give more educated reads.

I understand.

[Slaxx]

126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.

Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.

And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”

If you have a “good handle on reading him” then why didn’t you try reading the posts he made and commenting on them?

Lol. Look at his ISO. I needed more. Dude.

So you had him as a scumlean but needed more to read him???

How does that make sense?

Lean. Lean isn’t enough to lynch. I want a solid scumread. I mean if I’m 60/40 on him but think a pressure vote can make me 70/30 do I not go for it? Those numbers are arbitrary but help illustrate the point I’m making.

The point is why did you have him as a scumlean, not why you voted him.

#58 and #59 seemed a bit rushed and out of place. It was a very weak read. I think later in the game I say I’m more confident on town than scum reads.

Why do you feel it’s out of place to question a naked vote and to call invisible town?

And is rushed neccesarily scummy, or is rushed short on time??

It’s understandable its a weak read, but why did you not give anything for people to go on? Bringing that up earlier would have been fine, and given reasons you actually think ohfhrz is scum instead of seemingly naked pushing him.

I don’t know! I feel the same way and had the same thought about time. Obviously time isn’t AI.

I didn’t want to show my hand until he posted more. I think that’s fairly reasonable.

[Slaxx]

Also in game activity was super low at that point. I figured a move like that might get people stirred up.

I suppose it did. Just with a delay.

[Slaxx]

I was actually kind of confused at the lack of concern anyone showed for that vote. I think you’re the first person to point it out.

[Slaxx]

Anyway I really like real time talks, I think they’re kind of special in terms of getting reads.

But I have to sleep, so, just drop any other questions you have for me.

[Slaxx]

Lol you set up a time and I’ll be there. Just not at 1 AM EST.

[Slaxx]

At lunch at work but:

I like Eragons scumread on me more than Kirby’s townread on me.

The irony.

[Slaxx]

Let me rephrase:

Why were my interactions AI? I get the RTI helps but is there a reason beyond being reasonable?

[Slaxx]

Eragon is town
Invis might be

rooroo & CoA are town leans

1. Eyes without a face
2. Eragon
3. Invisibility
4. rooroo
5. CultOfAthena
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6. Sleepless Assassin
7. Slaxx
8. kitcat
9. Pink Ball

6-9 are not in any particular order. You can say they are still unsorted by me.

VOTE: Slaxx

Reason: Out of my 4 unsorted slots

1- I didn't want to put Pink Ball at L-1 in case he is town.
2- I didn't want to make Assassins an equally competent wagon in case Pink Ball was scum.
3- I don't want it to look like I'm voting kitcat because she's voting me.

Can you explain 2? The more I look at this the more I really don’t like #2.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx, you feel really weird tonally. I'm bad at describing tonal reads (they tend to basically end up somewhere around 'gut') but I guess I should probably mention it and I'll try to figure out why it's bothering me

Not much I can say about my tone you’re like the third person to bring it up I think

I’m not particularly concerned with appeasing a bunch of people’s sensibilities, your read should be your read regardless.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx why are you voting ofrhz over sa rn?

I’m a sucker for a good wagon. Also I think I can sort ofhrZ easier so pressure is best spent there. Still circling SA.

Why do you think you can sort ofrhz easier?

I just got out of a game where we were both town and it was one of those people you mind meld with

Felt like a great jumping off point for a good strong early read either way

[Slaxx]

I had the knee jerk reaction of looking at eye and thinking town but there’s something very particular about #2 I don’t like

And no BONUS POINTS for answering for them so don’t

[Slaxx]

Let me rephrase:

Why were my interactions AI? I get the RTI helps but is there a reason beyond being reasonable?

By "being reasonable" I meant to say that I'm agreeing with your line of thought and your progress. Scum can make sense too of course, but the important thing here is to check context, which in this case is the gamestate. Eragon stirred the game up with his replacement and you were there to interact with him when he was catching up. You could've waited until he was caught up to see what could be the best course of action, but you didn't: you jumped in and started talking with him 'cause you weren't agreeing with him but you thought he was town so it was worth it.

Being reasonable by itself is NAI; being reasonable along with timing is good. Your contributions have been good to the game in order to make it playable; you have provided info to make yourself sortable and to sort other players too, when you could've focused on pushing other players who haven't contributed that much (or pushed me, since I'm in a position that makes me an easy push without that much retaliation for the pushers).

I can post specific posts I liked before the RTI and during the RTI if you want, but that's what I get from your slot in general.

Okay I like that a lot more. Thanks for explaining. Eragon has mentioned pocketing and I’m super susceptible to that, especially as I built a rapport with the player, so I just wanted to see that I wasn’t being fleeced.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx, you feel really weird tonally. I'm bad at describing tonal reads (they tend to basically end up somewhere around 'gut') but I guess I should probably mention it and I'll try to figure out why it's bothering me

Not much I can say about my tone you’re like the third person to bring it up I think

I’m not particularly concerned with appeasing a bunch of people’s sensibilities, your read should be your read regardless.

Ya usually people want me to try to articulate such reads. I'll try but this is something I'm not very good at so I guess I'm just more mentioning it for now

I can get you in touch with a long list of exes who can help you articulate what you don’t like about my tone.

Seriously though, if you can articulate it, fine, I can defend it. But just saying it, especially after one or two others have, just feels like we are trying to build a narrative that I can’t realistically defend against. Suddenly it’s two days until deadline and we all decide to lynch me for “tone”.

[Slaxx]

But your response makes me feel better, because you are not arguing your alignment, but arguing the evidence. It's like you're saying "It's not what you know. It's what you can prove." which works in a court of law, but not in an online game.

So the proper response to that would be “I’m Town”

Confused as to what you’re saying here

[Slaxx]

This is probably the first time I’ve been told arguing the evidence is scummy

[Slaxx]

Let’s recap

-You vote me because of how you want to look to other people
-I point out none of those are reasons to vote me
-You scumread me because I didn’t try to work into the conversation that I’m Town?

I am now extremely interested in how you parsed apart your initial reads list. Will you please expand on that?

[Slaxx]

Also, now that I’m ISOing you...

What happened in between 181,182, and 183?

You initially said you didn’t have reads and then immediately churned a list out.

[Slaxx]

Also, now that I’m ISOing you...

What happened in between 181,182, and 183?

You initially said you didn’t have reads and then immediately churned a list out.

181, 182, and 184, my bad.

[Slaxx]

Can you explain 2? The more I look at this the more I really don’t like #2.

If Pink Ball is scum and Assassin is town it would be a turning point shifting pressure off scum and unto town. I would rather not have that effect when I'm not sure of either's alignment. I want to let the fame flow naturally without much

unneeded

intervention from me until I know exactly what I'm doing, and I think I do now.

But there’s a very real possibility both were scum. Why did you initially assume Assassin was town in that scenario? Especially when you think you have it narrowed down to four.

[Slaxx]

So the proper response to that would be “I’m Town”

I didn't say that and I would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. However you respond is up to you, but I didn't like the particular response you gave. What's so confusing about this?

Also, people wanted me to try harder and give reads and I did just that. What's wrong with that?

Finally (and this is of most importance to me), why are you making such a fuss about a single vote on you? O am but only one player with one vote, and nobody else is or has been voting you, so what do you have to worry about? In fact, here's your answer: Your overreaction to a mere single vote on you feels over the top and that is what is ponging me hard now.

Yikes.

Your reads list was incredibly opaque and came 19 minutes after you said there wasn’t much content for you to get reads from.

Your vote was really bad, that’s why. I reacted completely reasonably to Eragon having a scumread on me so don’t try to pull that.

[Slaxx]

Also, now that I’m ISOing you...

What happened in between 181,182, and 183?

You initially said you didn’t have reads and then immediately churned a list out.

I don't need to share everything that goes in my mind with anyone before I weigh and reconsider. Would you have felt better if I said I have reads that I wasn't sure of and will have to rethink about them before I posted?

Also you're ignoring 181 was in response to 163, so I read roughly 20 more posts to develop that read list. Do you have a problem with that?

You apparently have the scumteam in four people, I think that warrants some degree of explanation.

[Slaxx]

Also, now that I’m ISOing you...

What happened in between 181,182, and 183?

You initially said you didn’t have reads and then immediately churned a list out.

I don't need to share everything that goes in my mind with anyone before I weigh and reconsider. Would you have felt better if I said I have reads that I wasn't sure of and will have to rethink about them before I posted?

Also you're ignoring 181 was in response to 163, so I read roughly 20 more posts to develop that read list. Do you have a problem with that?

So even then, you went from having no reads to having reads in 20 posts? Still makes no sense.

[Slaxx]

But there’s a very real possibility both were scum. Why did you initially assume Assassin was town in that scenario? Especially when you think you have it narrowed down to four.

This feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons and not finding a way to back off. I assumed one is scum and the other is town and thus didn't vote either because I couldn't tell which is which. I don't think they are both scum because there's no need Assassin to bus his only partner this early.

It feels like you need to stop shifting the conversation and answer the question directly.

[Slaxx]

But there’s a very real possibility both were scum. Why did you initially assume Assassin was town in that scenario? Especially when you think you have it narrowed down to four.

This feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons and not finding a way to back off. I assumed one is scum and the other is town and thus didn't vote either because I couldn't tell which is which. I don't think they are both scum because there's no need Assassin to bus his only partner this early.

It feels like you need to stop shifting the conversation and answer the question directly.

Wait, I get the last part of what you’re saying. I thought you were still doing snarky hypotheticals.

Still, that’s a bit of a stretch.

[Slaxx]

So, eyes, what 20 posts between 163 and 181 inspired someone slow to get reads to sort most of the playerlist?

[Slaxx]

But there’s a very real possibility both were scum. Why did you initially assume Assassin was town in that scenario? Especially when you think you have it narrowed down to four.

This feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons and not finding a way to back off. I assumed one is scum and the other is town and thus didn't vote either because I couldn't tell which is which. I don't think they are both scum because there's no need Assassin to bus his only partner this early.

If you thought one was scum wouldn’t it have been better to wagon one of them? I believe I was voting SA at that time and Pink had a wagon.

[Slaxx]

So, eyes, what 20 posts between 163 and 181 inspired someone slow to get reads to sort most of the playerlist?

Waiting

@Eyes

[Slaxx]

So you go from slowly developing reads to sorting everyone because of one replace-in?

[Slaxx]

Do you want me to explain how I came to the conclusion I'm town too?

Yes please!

Don’t encourage him he’s either scum or daft.

You should be helping me figure out which.

[Slaxx]

So the proper response to that would be “I’m Town”

I didn't say that and I would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. However you respond is up to you, but I didn't like the particular response you gave. What's so confusing about this?

Also, people wanted me to try harder and give reads and I did just that. What's wrong with that?

Finally (and this is of most importance to me), why are you making such a fuss about a single vote on you? O am but only one player with one vote, and nobody else is or has been voting you, so what do you have to worry about? In fact, here's your answer: Your overreaction to a mere single vote on you feels over the top and that is what is ponging me hard now.

Yikes.

Your reads list was incredibly opaque and came 19 minutes after you said there wasn’t much content for you to get reads from.

Your vote was really bad, that’s why. I reacted completely reasonably to Eragon having a scumread on me so don’t try to pull that.

reasonable like a dog and cat fight hrmmm .

I don’t get it

[Slaxx]

Do you want me to explain how I came to the conclusion I'm town too?

Yes please!

Don’t encourage him he’s either scum or daft.

You should be helping me figure out which.

Starting to lose grip and optong to personal slander isn't nice and won't get you anywhere you want to go

I’m doing fine but thanks for your concern.

I did that on purpose. It gave you a nice excuse to not answer the game/related question, which I figured might be the case. Just like when you slinked off when we were in discussion and tried to reintegrate like nothing happened after other people started talking:

VOTE: Eyes Without a Face

Unlike you, I’m not concerned about looking like I’m voting someone just because they are voting me.

[Slaxx]

Your whole push on me has had absolutely no indication of actually trying to sort or discern alignment. I’ve been patient and Socratic with this as I do have a habit as overreacting to votes on me, but I don’t think you flip green here.

[Slaxx]

this isnt town this cant be town

Explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves.

this isnt town this cant be town

Explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves.

Okay.. let's see if I do..

VOTE: Eyes without a face

That's L-1

I claim VT.

Because they’re so disconnected from reality they can then say “ Explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves” and think it would work.

[Slaxx]

Wouldn’t it have just been easier to address #326 and #331

Christ this is transparent. He didn’t even wait for someone else to be like “oh dang scum wouldn’t do that” he just brought it up himself lmfao

[Slaxx]

This flips scum.

“I developed reads slowly”

“I have the game solved”

Okay

[Slaxx]

I really don’t think RooRoo is scum he’s had pretty unique perspectives on stuff I haven’t even thought about like #369.

Invisibility/Eragon/RooRoo is the townblock tomorrow. I assume I die if Eyes flips red.

[Slaxx]

Final reads:
Eragon + rooroo + CoA are 100% town
Pink + kitcat are probably town
Invis + Slaxx are the likely scum pair
Assassin might be scum if one of Invis/Slaxx isn't

Gun to my head: Invis is more likely scum than Slaxx (who might be a PR who doesn't know how to play a PR).

Yes you were pushing on someone who you thought was PR very good very good.

Yup he got me I am the doctoriest doctor to ever doctor a doctor festival. So talented.

[Slaxx]

Final reads:
Eragon + rooroo + CoA are 100% town
Pink + kitcat are probably town
Invis + Slaxx are the likely scum pair
Assassin might be scum if one of Invis/Slaxx isn't

Gun to my head: Invis is more likely scum than Slaxx (who might be a PR who doesn't know how to play a PR).

Yes you were pushing on someone who you thought was PR very good very good.

Yup he got me I am the doctoriest doctor to ever doctor a doctor festival. So talented.

"hospital FM"

7 town doctors and 2 scum chiropractors

As someone who works in a hospital

Yes

[Slaxx]

Final reads:
Eragon + rooroo + CoA are 100% town
Pink + kitcat are probably town
Invis + Slaxx are the likely scum pair
Assassin might be scum if one of Invis/Slaxx isn't

Gun to my head: Invis is more likely scum than Slaxx (who might be a PR who doesn't know how to play a PR).

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ROLEFISHING LIKE THIS JESUS CHRISt

I can do whatever I want. I am lynched already. And if Slaxx is indeed a PR he needs to be shot by scum so as not to claim any credit to victory (if town ever wins).

Do you guys not have daytalk?

[Slaxx]

Eek

[Slaxx]

*Takes off lab coat and stethoscope*

[Slaxx]

eyes can you please stop be a miserable person to talk to
if you're town im probably going to, like, avoid you in future games

invis can please stop be a miserable person to play with

if you're seriosly thinking you know how to play mafia, like, you can't be more wrong

Lol fuck that thing about the daytalk is making me squirm a bit

But seriously

>Puts self to L-1
>”I can’t be scum”

???

And you’re critiquing my town PR play? That I definitely am in this game because the loon who self voted said so?

[Slaxx]

What in the hell just happened

I could only see this coming from town because there's no way this guy doesn't have a partner that told him that was an awful idea. Do the scum has daychat? If they do, I don't think Eyes is scum

Oh

CoA is MIA

So if his does flip red that slot or someone else who wasn’t around is most likely partner now that we know they have daychat

[Slaxx]

If Eyes is town it’s probably SA

Don’t imagine I die if Eyes is town but maybe since everyone knows I’m a PR now I will

Lmfao

[Slaxx]

Someone get in here with me an twilight jam with me

There’s so much to talk about

[Slaxx]

Hey was rereading the thread sorry

So I think town here means SA tomorrow, his vote looked the least organic
Scum here makes me think CoA. Thoughts?

[Slaxx]

Just checked the sample roles that ChibiBear provided in his first post and it says that they may have communication during day and night, so maybe you're wrong Eyes?

Also I want to townread Pink because he’s becoming my new bff really quickly

But this feels overexplained. Like contrived lack of knowledge maybe. It pinged me.

[Slaxx]

But I also learned recently that English is Pinks second language and so I can’t really tell if it’s just a literal wording or if it feels mechanical

But other posts of his don’t feel as rigid

[Slaxx]

Like if I had just found that out

I would have been like “dude the scum role PMs day day and night” or maybe “I checked the role PMs and scum have daytalk”

Not all the detail about it being the first post and he uses “may have” like it’s not for sure

Idk

[Slaxx]

What you mean? Eyes was saying he was pretty sure there was no day chat and I used that as a counter argument.

I'm here to jam too. What do you think of the option of SA being the scumpartner of Eyes? I think Eyes was trying to do some distancing with his scumpool and the reasoning behind not voting SA was the wackiest.

SA voting Eyes is a counter argument, but maybe he thought it wasn't going to implode like that?

I know the wording was just weird

Like you almost over-illustrated the process of checking them

[Slaxx]

Hey was rereading the thread sorry

So I think town here means SA tomorrow, his vote looked the least organic
Scum here makes me think CoA. Thoughts?

if eyes actually flips town here ima have to rethink this game.

I think i'd still be wanting to lynch in Pink/Assasin because IMO thats always a 1:1

if eyes flips town then i think the last scum is in coA/you(slaxx)/rooroo and leaning not rooroo.

hopefully eyes flips scum here and we just have this game locked in chainlynching pink and assasin
i dont want to even believe both my reads there could be wrong


so basically my scum with a scumflip is just Pink/Assasin
My scum with a townflip is (pink/assasin, Coa/slaxx)

the Coa/slaxx isn't because i think they are always TvS or anything, but just because i can never see them both being scum, like read-wise.

if they are both scum im doing something mightily wrong here

Not that it does me any favors in your lynchpool but I still think roo is town.

[Slaxx]

that post is actually confusing even to me so just lmk if you want me to try to explain it simpler

Nope I got it

[Slaxx]

Awwww Eragon you haven't reevaluated me since your catch up? That's sad.

@Slaxx Oh I get what you're saying, I used the word "may" because in the role PMs it says "you may discuss the game here during day and night", so it was just bad paraphrasing

Oh that makes a lot more sense

I read “may” as like there’s a chance they don’t and it seemed like it was really forced contrived lack of knowledge

[Slaxx]

I actually have a shitton of town reads.

Eragon can you explain the kitcat town reads? Maybe it’s just from my side of the fence but that iso reeks of opportunism to me

[Slaxx]

SA wasn’t around for the lulz L-1 gambit either

So SA works with both flips

[Slaxx]

Slaxx i said i dont think its rooroo

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im still mulling the game over tbqh.
thats my Not!townreads basically.
if eye flips scum im open for some discussion, but i just dont want to believe im so wrong on my reads this game ;_;
if eye flips town i think its fair i keep my original reads and have a fairly large lynchpool

tommorow my goal is to sort Pinkball/assasin and figure out which one is teh real scumz and if eye flips town ill also have to sort slaxx/cult to figure out which one i think is more likely to be scum

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cool

I know you said you doubted him. I’m just saying I agree.

Like my reads are probably

Inv->Eragon->Roo-> /// Pink->CoA->Kitcat /// SA

Regardless of flip, where first block is town, second is null, third is scum

Left is towniest

[Slaxx]

Inv is a strong gut read and I still think his playful reluctance on certain issues seems town, so did the hammer

You for basically giving CPR to the dead corpse that was this game

And Roo for unique and thoughtful perspectives that seem hard for town to fake

[Slaxx]

Cult is just null

Pink has his ups and downs, when I was initially skeptical of him he basically said “dude I’d be voting you as scum” and although that normally wouldn’t convince me he was kinda right... he had yet to give a read on me and Eragon had me as a strong scum read, Eyes had voted me, and kitcat seemed to be looking my way. He had that out. I guess he could have known he might go the way of Eyes because I know he’s seen me drive lynches like it’s my job. Gun to my head he’s town.

Kitcat I like as a person but I’m having trouble with the reserved playstyle this game. Feel like a lot is being held back there and feels like more passive commenting and retroactive discussion than proactive pieces.

[Slaxx]

SA I’ve explained

There’s my reads

Free of charge

[Slaxx]

Eh I think kitcat can be town if Eyes is town

I’d be adding that to my lynchpool with a red flip from eyes

[Slaxx]

I’m glad you mentioned the RVS vote because I noticed that too. I’ve seen town hang on to it but it always bugs the shit out of me. More of a scum thing in my opinion.

[Slaxx]

Yeah idk I could be fleeced but I don’t think so

Just stuff Roo has said shows me they’re really thinking about the gamestate and trying to solve

[Slaxx]

Eh I think kitcat can be town if Eyes is town

I’d be adding that to my lynchpool with a red flip from eyes

but wouldn't that mean kitcat is more likely to be scum?

if there is a whole open slot there?

Eyes town=Null KitCat->town, which means Eragon/Inv/Kitcat/Roo are town. Leaves 2 of Pink/SA/COA.

Eyes scum=Null Kitcat->scum, which means Eragon/Inv/Roo and one of Pink/SA/COA/Kitcat

[Slaxx]

I’m saying kitcat looks more Townie if Eyes flips green. Even though that means my scumpool is smaller. Because like you said they weren’t being opportunistic.

If Eyes flips red then some of their posts could be I terpeted as giving Eyes an out or trying to discount the wagon.

Does that make sense?

[Slaxx]

ye


also to add on to that it could also be Kitcat giving eyes minor townpings and kinda just nudging that, but then re-evaluating and dropping it.

i do think the above is overall towny in theory, but if eyes flips scum then maybe its w/w?

If Eyes is scum then

Kit/SA would be my first instinct and then Cult/Pink would be maybes.

[Slaxx]

6. Sleepless Assassin
7. Slaxx
8. kitcat
9. Pink Ball

Actually isoing Eyes maybe Cult should be the first

[Slaxx]

I don’t like how three of my people who might be partners with him are in that list that bodes really poorly for this flip

[Slaxx]

Unless it’s cult/Eyes which it still could be

[Slaxx]

I'm fine with Eyes being town as well for now.

Meh maybe

@Mod Prodtime for Cult

[Slaxx]

I just got out of a game where the slots that replaced out and lurked were both mafia and we were all screaming at each other even though we had a lot of townreads

That’s starting to feel a bit like that.

[Slaxx]

Lol

Alright hope to wake up to that beautiful red flip

Gotta end the jam

[Slaxx]

VOTE: Sleepless Assassin

I can go on a rant about Eyes but I'll save it for post game.

[Slaxx]

VOTE: slaxx

I think I'd like to start here. You had like one post that I liked in twilight but other than that I don't think you've been much townie at all.

I still think vizzy and eragon are fairly strongly town, and rooroo probably is too.
I was probably going to push pink ball today so I guess it's a good thing that he died. It's a bit of a surprising nk though. I would have expected eragon or vizzy instead.

And sorry for being on that wagon - I didn't think there was much danger leaving it there because I wasn't exactly expecting an imminent wagon on him or for the day to end or anything.

I was really expecting Vizzy to get killed, and I'll leave it at that.

What was the townie post and what specifically do you not like about me? It is day two, it is time to start articulating your reads.

[Slaxx]

1. CultofAthena
2. Sleepless Assassin
6. rooroo
7. Slaxx
8. kitcat

gah im trying to think of my town block.

Invisibility for sure.

Slaxx i initially scumread but i liked the RTI and their recent posts, but i dont think im ready for town block yet

Sleepless assasin certainly not townblock

kitcat i felt confident about but now im doubting based on some things slaxx pointed out

rooroo doesnt have enough for me to be confident about

cult for sure not

so if i had to make a bracket

it would look something around

top town- {invisi}
town leans-{slaxx, kitcat}
around nullish-{rooroo, assasin}
scum -{cult}


I have assasin basically in null rn because im still trying to figure out if he would pull that NK for WIFOM purposes or if someone else did that to get me to push him stronger.

I actually think kitcat is more town now, as we discussed yesterday, she only looked bad with a scum flip from Eyes. Not as town as you and Izzy but not someone I want to really vote.

[Slaxx]

Eh I think kitcat can be town if Eyes is town

I’d be adding that to my lynchpool with a red flip from eyes

The bolded. If you're scum you knew he was flipping town and by saying you'd have me as town on an eyes green flip you're limiting your lynchpool.

This is just about the only thing from you that I've found townie.

Okay cool now articulate your scumread on me so maybe we can work through it, because I don't think you're scum here and I think I have a solid little townread block.

[Slaxx]

what specifically do you not like about me?

Didn't really like your eyes push

Specifically?

[Slaxx]

I don't know. It didn't feel right.
I know that's not very helpful

I'll go back to pull up the posts I didn't like, give me a minute

Why do I look better on an eyes townflip?

Eragon and I talked yesterday about it. Basically you really seemed to give him a chance to try to work his way out of the initial suspicion on him and that felt genuine. So you probably shared his alignment.

I don't regret that push, he was legitimately scummy all the way up until the flip. Wrong is wrong and a mislynch never helps but whatever you have concerns with I can address. Probably not RTI tho cuz I gotta sleep.

[Slaxx]

248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.

He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.

[Slaxx]

248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.

He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.

but kitcat also rescinded the townpings

Yeah, right around the time I voted him and he started getting really scummy. I can't exactly fault kitcat for that, if I thought the same way they did.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx do i feel my heart/gut or my brain and logic

both have worked for me in the past, both have failed me in the past

My knee jerk reaction is SA, but I really thought Eyes flipped red there so I am a bit shaken in my own reads. Still, You and Izzy are town. Roo I am a bit less sure of and they are probably in the same ballpark as kitcat. So that leaves cult and SA. We really need more from cult.

[Slaxx]

248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.

He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.

Answer to your post about where you did this ^

[Slaxx]

eyes can you please stop be a miserable person to talk to
if you're town im probably going to, like, avoid you in future games

invis can please stop be a miserable person to play with

if you're seriosly thinking you know how to play mafia, like, you can't be more wrong

Lol fuck that thing about the daytalk is making me squirm a bit

But seriously

>Puts self to L-1
>”I can’t be scum”

???

And you’re critiquing my town PR play? That I definitely am in this game because the loon who self voted said so?

That's the thing that made me doubt my read, which I was pretty transparent about. The whole daytalk thing knocked the wind out of me because he had no reason to feign ignorance at that point.

[Slaxx]

So, eyes, what 20 posts between 163 and 181 inspired someone slow to get reads to sort most of the playerlist?

Waiting

@Eyes

In short, Eragon happened. he entered the game and started doing his page by page analysis which helped me not only form a read on him but also on other slots. I had already voiced a slight town read on the slot due to the replace out which many -including Eragon himself- objected to, but Eragon's posts strengthened my town read there.

Invis was already a town lean too, but that was about it and I wan't going to declare a read list of exactly one slot.

Eragon helped me see CoA is probably town, and I had to ISO rooroo to realize her claim to be new is a meme and that was confirmed by people mentioning it's an alt account, so disregarding the meme effect I realized 79 was too string to come from scum and 156 was being stubborn which is a town trait since scum would prefer to go with the flow. Overall feeling of rooroo was adjusted so that was 4 slots sorted out of 8. Do you want me to explain how I came to the conclusion I'm town too?

I totally baited him into doing that. Bait doesn't have to be scummy.

I had been pressing him on why he suddenly went from 0 reads to lots of reads. It is hard to describe, you just have to go back and read the posts AND the time stamps, but I asked this question, he addressed other pieces, then kind of slinked away. Other people came in and started talking and it felt like he was tryin to subtly reintegrate himself into the conversation without answering my question, so I followed up. I figured one might be a fluke.

So, I decide to bait him to see if he selectively picks out what to address again. It is a ridiculously common tactic with Russian disinformation trolls (not to be political) where they just address the weakest link of an argument and leave the rest alone to try to score some sort of foothold/win. Sure enough, he selectively picks what to talk about again, so I go in on him, because at this point it doesn't seem like a coincidence and more like someone just being opaque and buying time.

[Slaxx]

So you go from slowly developing reads to sorting everyone because of one replace-in?

This is the question he chose to ignore, which you notice came before 330.

I can't really retroactively give a scumcase on a flipped townie, but I can tell you why I did what I did, and I think someone who twice selectively replied to only certain parts of my argument while trying to work there way back into the group is a pretty damn fair reason for that vote. I was like, way more patient than I usually am when it comes to people voting me because I knew he had a different playstyle from a different sight.

But opaque and reluctant behavior isn't site-dependent, and thus my vote.

[Slaxx]

Yeah the baiting felt bad to me.
I'm not sure it's inherently

scummy

but it does feel manipulative - like you were trying to set up a favorable argument for yourself against someone who couldn't defend themselves as well

It was 100% manipulative, but I think I had a pretty good basis for doing it. I'm fairly well known for shit like that, I just got out of a game where I suggested we mod kill a slot that mod accidentally cleared to fish for reactions from the 2 remaining unclears. I had no intention of actually modkilling the slot. It was actually Chibi's game lol.

[Slaxx]

In regards to SA, don't really know what to say besides that vote seemed a bit contrived and opportunistic. In my mind it was just as likely a bus as it was SvT but at that point I was more confident on Eyes.

[Slaxx]

Alright, no more RTI, I have to wake up early and get overpaid to stuff envelopes because our president doesnt want to pay essential less well paid people to do that job

Well mine idk where ur at

if you got anything else you can leave it here or save it whatever works

[Slaxx]

OK, thanks for explaining. The baiting still feels kinda bad to me so I need to mull over your response a bit I think, when I'm a bit more awake

I guess I also don't like how you started talking about who you'd push if he flipped green when you'd been so sure earlier that he'd flip red

Also how would you describe your scumgame?

p-edit, ok g'nite!

I can answer one more.

It’s pretty common for me to leave flip-contingent reads. He also painted a target on my back saying I was PR so I really wanted to make sure I got that out.

My scumgame? I only have one recently completed scumgame, it’s Lovers and Losers, should still be in open thread. I was Lolwagons. I’m not going to blow smoke up your ass, I have a pretty good scum game. But I think the one thing I do different is try to really control the game early on more than I do as town. I can make fake cases on people all day every day but I have a hard time with explaining why my buddy is town.

[Slaxx]

So the quicker I can get in to control the narrative, the better off I am.

[Slaxx]

... then why would you need convinces to vote SA if you think I’m scum half the time and he’s always scum?

[Slaxx]

I also still don't get where the strength of your townread on me came from

Dude it’s a leaning town read based on a flip what’s not to get about it

[Slaxx]

Ok, so I thought about the baiting thing a bit more.
I still don't know if it's scummy, but it still feels wrong - I definitely got the vibe that you were trying to force an argument that you thought you could win, and I don't really think town approaches that situation that way. I don't think it's

impossible

for town to pick an argument against someone they're strongly scumreaidng in order to force the lynch, but i think it's more likely something scum do to make a mislynch happen.

Meh. Not much more we can say about that.

What do you think of CoA’s commentary?

[Slaxx]

but why is it scummy to do that in twilight? isnt it more likely scum just drops it and moves off the subject.

why does scum continue scumreading someone through twilight?

I don't know. It feels wrong to me though so I'm bringing it up. It felt over-confident almost, for the situation.

One of the things I'm trying to do on this alt is pay more attention to my gut feelings, even I can't really explain why I think something. I know saying something like this isn't super helpful but I'm hoping focusing on them more will help me figure out how to articulate them

Yeah the baiting felt bad to me.
I'm not sure it's inherently

scummy

but it does feel manipulative - like you were trying to set up a favorable argument for yourself against someone who couldn't defend themselves as well

do you think anyone else that voted eyes is scummy for their push?

if yes, ok.

if no, explain why only Slaxx's push was wolfy.

The lynch was: me, slaxx, SA, vizzy, and Eyes
I'm town.
Vizzy I'm pretty sure is town.
Eyes was town.
SA's vote was quite awful actually - he actually voted him in the same post he called him town, iirc. It felt kinda opportunistic to me

I feel like it might just be {slaxx/SA} but on some level I think that solve is almost too easy

If you think I bussed right out of the gate please do indulge me and vote SA.

I don’t like CoA’s recent posts, feels like the stance was decided and it’s being retroactively justified, not something that formed organically. Bonus points for the fact she voted SA after me despite it being iffy logic to do so based on her own post.

[Slaxx]

Sorry, she voted me above SA, not SA after me. Rough day.

[Slaxx]

fwiw I just played a game with slaxx's alt where he was pretty overconfident in a lynch on town as well

(although I don't know his scum meta and I'm not going to say he's as towny here as he was in that game - he was pretty gut town to me in the other game)

Unfortunately I have to be overconfident as scum as well for it to match my town game.

In this case, though, I think it’s kinda silly to be voted for literally admitting to baiting someone. You’d think scum would be more subtle about it, but whatever.

[Slaxx]

@slaxx yeah I feel like you could be scum but not for the reasons people are suggesting

Explain?

[Slaxx]

Do you want me to explain how I came to the conclusion I'm town too?

Yes please!

Don’t encourage him he’s either scum or daft.

You should be helping me figure out which.

Starting to lose grip and optong to personal slander isn't nice and won't get you anywhere you want to go

I’m doing fine but thanks for your concern.

I did that on purpose. It gave you a nice excuse to not answer the game/related question, which I figured might be the case.

Just like when you slinked off when we were in discussion and tried to reintegrate like nothing happened after other people started talking:

VOTE: Eyes Without a Face

Unlike you, I’m not concerned about looking like I’m voting someone just because they are voting me.

Try again, Kit.

[Slaxx]

idk 2010 join date basically and your early d1 play felt less aggressive than our other game

I would be townreading you by postcount/whatever if you were new

It is less aggressive, because I’m tired of being night killed early.

[Slaxx]

I quickly found that I overcompensated and now I’m in this position. Live and learn.

[Slaxx]

slaxx how do you feel about your play this game right now?

this is going somewhere.

This game is different for me in a weird way a game shouldn’t be different for someone who has played a lot of games. I’m not for sure how to articulate it.

[Slaxx]

like based around your normal town game do you feel this is about average or sub-par?

This game for me is subpar but I played it different intentionally.

[Slaxx]

like based around your normal town game do you feel this is about average or sub-par?

This game for me is subpar but I played it different intentionally.

you played it different read-wise or just playstyle wise?

Playstyle wise. Normally I’m transparent and aggressive but that has gotten me killed before I could be useful in redflag which is ended and another I can’t talk about.

[Slaxx]

Read-wise never. Despite my recent rash of bad play I usually have a damn good record on scumhunting. Boba Tea Mafia is a good example of me at my peak town game, and I actually survived that game because they killed a claimed PR night 1 and tried to WIFOM people with the kill N2.

I was lolwagons there tho

[Slaxx]

I played this differently intentionally and overcorrected. If I explain more I defeat the purpose of why I did in the first place.

[Slaxx]

Also, I got lynched that game, shortly after that post, so... wish you were in that game.

[Slaxx]

I played this differently intentionally and overcorrected. If I explain more I defeat the purpose of why I did in the first place.

i understand you are playing this differently, thats why i was grilling those questions at you.

this isnt about playstyle, this is about the type of your reads.

its certainly not 100% AI i change the way i do my reads almost every game, but i was seeing how you would answer and respond to those questions

Oh. I don’t change the way I read people because despite recent evidence to the contrary I’m relatively confident it still works for me.

HOW I went about doing reads and sharing them definitely changed.

When you said reads I thought you meant the analysis piece not the communication piece.

[Slaxx]

eh this was honestly probably just another stupid train of thought i was just scrolling games and i saw that and i was like "holy fuck thats towny" but i havent gotten any feels like that this game

I don’t think any train of thought that might help sort is a stupid train of thought.

[Slaxx]

eh this was honestly probably just another stupid train of thought i was just scrolling games and i saw that and i was like "holy fuck thats towny" but i havent gotten any feels like that this game

I don’t think any train of thought that might help sort is a stupid train of thought.

me pushing you for asking the same question on the same page

OH I think I get what’s going on here now. I thought maybe after the dodgy eye emoticons lol.


So, here’s the deal. If you read over the last page one or two more times and my first couple posts today you’ll get Me. Whether you believe it or not is your call.

[Slaxx]

like based around your normal town game do you feel this is about average or sub-par?

This game for me is subpar but I played it different intentionally.

you played it different read-wise or just playstyle wise?

Playstyle wise. Normally I’m transparent and aggressive but that has gotten me killed before I could be useful in redflag which is ended and another I can’t talk about.

Nothing can stop mastina from gamethrowing

You know now that Ive aged seven years and have a Ritalin prescription to actually make it through her posts I Linda like her. Maybe too self confident but she feels way more self aware than she did, holy shit, almost a decade ago.

[Slaxx]

eh this was honestly probably just another stupid train of thought i was just scrolling games and i saw that and i was like "holy fuck thats towny" but i havent gotten any feels like that this game

I don’t think any train of thought that might help sort is a stupid train of thought.

me pushing you for asking the same question on the same page

OH I think I get what’s going on here now. I thought maybe after the dodgy eye emoticons lol.


So, here’s the deal. If you read over the last page one or two more times and my first couple posts today you’ll get Me. Whether you believe it or not is your call.

what

Woops I just totally thought you were hinting st something. Never mind.

[Slaxx]

I just didn’t figure anyone knew about my enlarged prostate because I never shared it online idk

[Slaxx]

I’m as confused as you are because I thought you were hinting you were in that game on an alt and I tried to do a thing because I think you’re town but it didn’t work.

[Slaxx]

El fucking oh fucking el

How far we fall

[Slaxx]

eh this was honestly probably just another stupid train of thought i was just scrolling games and i saw that and i was like "holy fuck thats towny" but i havent gotten any feels like that this game

I don’t think any train of thought that might help sort is a stupid train of thought.

me pushing you for asking the same question on the same page

Oh then what was this in reference to lol

I thought you were referencing the other game because I couldn’t think of what you were saying about this game

[Slaxx]

I’m as confused as you are because I thought you were hinting you were in that game on an alt and I tried to do a thing because I think you’re town but it didn’t work.

no i dont have an alt on MS (yet)

the eyes were because of you getting lynched D1 that game is a meme and shouldn't have happened

I got lynched because I got wise to A50 and had 2/3 scum pegged on day 1. 4 of the 12 players I scumread, 2 were in there. As it goes.

[Slaxx]

Ohhhhh right because I didn’t get the answer I wanted from SA I think. Yeah.

[Slaxx]

I mean, I suppose you could make the argument that Pink Ball was killed for having SA as his top townread and/or some other combination of who his scumreads were.

@slaxx using your same metric:

Inv->Slaxx->Eragon-> /// kitcat->CoA->rooroo /// SA

Why do you have rooroo so up?

p-edit you already answered. I really think I can get a better read on rooroo on D2, but the way she's playing pings me. She could argue it's because of being an alt, but some things never change

Looking at this point certainly doesn't do any favors for Slaxx – it doesn't do any for Invis or Eragon, either, but that doesn't fit my confirmation bias, so I'm gonna choose to ignore it.

I don't really think the whole single-night NKA is very conclusive in the first place, so—absent a convincing argument to the contrary—I don't think I'm going to let it change my opinion all that much. Either way, conclusive or inconclusive, I still feel pretty good about where my vote's at right now.

Holy shit. That was from town to scum. Not scum to town.

I think I know why the night kill didn’t make much sense now.

[Slaxx]

... then why would you need convinces to vote SA if you think I’m scum half the time and he’s always scum?

It was part thinking that you're the higher value scum lynch as compared to a higher likelihood lynch and part just not wanting to change my vote after a single post, just on the principle of it.

Also, in my experience I've found people claiming things like this to somewhat reliably be scum. If someone's calling you out on something scummy (pocketing, manipulation, buddying, baiting, whatever) or basically just has you caught, you can't deny it and trying to deflect is unlikely to work ? the smart play as scum is just to own it and say that it doesn't have to be scum-indicative.

suppose you are doing one of those things. what would the town response be if admitting it isn't?

In my experience, town isn't doing those things and thus won't admit it. To an accusation of, say, pocketing, a townie would flat out deny that it was happening, likely because that wasn't their intention at all. In contrast, scum are more likely to think of themselves as caught and try to explain it away.

This isn't to claim that town

never

does those things - I'm not claiming some universal scumtell.

How do I respond to that top piece lmfao

[Slaxx]

Holy shit. That was from town to scum. Not scum to town.

I think I know why the night kill didn’t make much sense now.

Oh, shows what I know.

Your second line is pretty ridiculous though. I mean, really?

Maybe. I’m mulling it over. I think it’s weird he died and then I’m being pushed on that point and the kill really only makes sense in the context of that point, but that requires a partner to misread it as well so maybe not. There’s a reason I didn’t vote you.

[Slaxx]

I find it hard to believe you actually had the thought in the first place, but whatever.

I figure that with the current gamestate scum probably needs me to be lynched, so I'm sort of waiting for the case or whatever to drop.

Which thought do you claim I didn’t have? If I really thought it was a “gotcha” thing I would have voted you, so I obviously had reservations.

[Slaxx]

I’m pretty much just ducking around until SA gets in here.

[Slaxx]

@mod can you prod SA

He was on VLA until today.

I was getting wary he was letting me talk myself into a corner because it’s not looking good for me today but that wouldn’t be a fair accusation to make.

[Slaxx]

How do I elaborate more on Roo? Seems straightforward. Unique perspective I have a hard time believing is manufactured.

[Slaxx]

Mainly no alignment discernment attempt in the vote. The uhhhh how doesn’t come across as sincere and the rest is a rehash of my points

[Slaxx]

Ping Slaxx.

Wat

[Slaxx]

@SA it was only one post you voted Eyes in so I can’t really quote a series of posts. I don’t think you were around after that push (you were v/la)

Sorry this game is on the back burner for me I’m not enjoying it to be frank. Activity level is weird and I feel like I’m talking in circles with the people who suspect me and feel like I’m maybe being pocketed by the people who don’t. I probably need to take a fresh look at the game.

[Slaxx]

You're right, sorry. I htought you were the third vote and that it had come after slaxx's, but I just checked the final vote count and I was mistaken about the timing. I need to check if slaxx had already started pushing it when you had voted though.

OK, why would scum be so blatant about being happy to see town imploding there? Why does that end up in the thread? I think she's decent enough as scum to know that would be horribly tone-deaf and that she'd get pushed for it

I was pushing but not voting if I recall

[Slaxx]

Is this at me? I don't believe that one alignment gets attention more than the other. It depends on the other players, not the player who attention is actually on. "Drawing attention" is a non-tell that new players tend to use as a tell.

I find this post scummy because it conflates attention-seeking with attention-receiving in order to discount a reasonable early townread and in doing so completely ignores motivation, which is often the primary thing town players are thinking about

This feels Town imo

What’s your issue with too?

This onnnnnnne

[Slaxx]

oh so the reason I'm scumreading coa is that she last posted about wanting to policy lynch everyone when the game was mostly shitposting/lurking but it seems like as soon as it got serious she disappeared

This onnnnne

[Slaxx]

Thought you meant get specific on the piece about you not roo

[Slaxx]

Today he seems like he is phoning it in, and I don't like his lazy defense of me. Don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth with two votes on me but it didn't seem genuine.

[Slaxx]

Yeah I'm not loving it either.
I read it more like defending you in a partner-y sort of way since I haven't been dropping this (I guess cuz I'm scumreading you to begin with)

lol oh you

Normally I get all feisty when people vote me but you have this charming socratic way about you and that's just okay.

I really need to reread the thread though, forreal.

[Slaxx]

Those don't look like posts scum can't make...

Who is this talking about?

My roo roo posts.

I mean since we are all people with keyboards we can all type the exact same things but I am being a pedant

However I think those things are LESS likely to come from scum than they are town which is the point.

[Slaxx]

hi perhaps one or more gamers should claim

I nominate sa

Claim what

[Slaxx]

idk I just lolhammered town penguinpower for an obviously fake reaction to a fakehammer that turned out to be real

town do a lot of ridiculous things and they do them more often than scum

^This could be scum who knew Eyes was town. Also don't like the "lol" reaction to Eyes power role hunting and telling scum to shoot her power role read. That move by Eyes was blatantly playing against her win condition. It could have fucked us over. I can't imagine why town would find that funny.

lol

Idk I feel like if they were trying to distance Roo would have done more than just lol here

[Slaxx]

If the goal was to distance I feel like there’s be more theater to it.

[Slaxx]

Okay this game is stagnating and it is probably a stupid thing to do but the more I think about it the more pissed off and confused I get so I am just going to do it.

I claim Doctor.

I am claiming primarily because there is almost no way, after Eyes stupid fucking stunt, that I'm not the roleblock/rolecop target, and I don't want to explain tomorrow, if it was a block and not a cop, that "Lol I saved eragon but was roleblocked" because I am pretty sure at that point I lose the game for town.

Literally the only thing I knew to do after he called me PR was to be so fucking blatant about it I wouldn't draw the night kill hence:

Final reads:
Eragon + rooroo + CoA are 100% town
Pink + kitcat are probably town
Invis + Slaxx are the likely scum pair
Assassin might be scum if one of Invis/Slaxx isn't

Gun to my head: Invis is more likely scum than Slaxx (who might be a PR who doesn't know how to play a PR).

Yes you were pushing on someone who you thought was PR very good very good.

Yup he got me I am the doctoriest doctor to ever doctor a doctor festival. So talented.

Breadcrumbed the save, not that it mattered:

VOTE: slaxx

I think I'd like to start here. You had like one post that I liked in twilight but other than that I don't think you've been much townie at all.

I still think vizzy and eragon are fairly strongly town, and rooroo probably is too.
I was probably going to push pink ball today so I guess it's a good thing that he died. It's a bit of a surprising nk though. I would have expected eragon or vizzy instead.

And sorry for being on that wagon - I didn't think there was much danger leaving it there because I wasn't exactly expecting an imminent wagon on him or for the day to end or anything.

I was really expecting Vizzy to get killed, and I'll leave it at that.

What was the townie post and what specifically do you not like about me? It is day two, it is time to start articulating your reads.

Anyway, I was waiting for this game to end: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78039

Where I got NKed N1 as a PR because the shitty BG wasn't on me. I was lolwagons there. I overcorrected my town play this game because I knew there was no PR to save me and that I was responsible for saving people. I couldn't play the game aggressively.

I do NOT want the other PR to claim and I would like to remind them to be very cognizant of their reaction to this, and to not give themselves away.

If I thought I had absolutely any utility left at all I wouldn't claim, but I also don't want to do it at L-1 with a day until deadline, and once again I suspect mafia already know who I am, or have their roleblocker on me. I feel like this is usually the wrong play here, but it might actually be the right play for this game because a lot of people's lynch pools are really small and I am in them. And if you don't buy the claim we can just end my suffering because fuck this role. I cannot filter myself organically.

[Slaxx]

UNVOTE:

That is probably going back up, but I don't want anyone to hammer. I want a day or two to look over the thread and really try to figure stuff out.

[Slaxx]

#737 from kitcat literally taking blame for outing me I think comes from town more than scum, along with voting the other scum read and not unvoting and seeing what way the wind blows

I also am pretty confident they aren't partners now not that I really did anyway.

[Slaxx]

Unvote, Vote Slaxx

Doc can't exist with my role. I'm a tracker. Kitcat went nowhere N1. Other town power role has to be follower or vanilla cop.

VOTE: Sleepless Assassin

Lol alright.

[Slaxx]

kitcat is vanilla

You know how hard it was not to say "Roo is town because I'm doctor and he's cop"?

[Slaxx]

Well this at least opened the game up

[Slaxx]

Invisibility is almost surely town. Thank god. So am I, so is RooRoo. Idk why SA does this, I assume to rolefish, so he is probably goon. So Kitcat is probably town too.

So Kitcat/RooRoo/Invisibility/Slaxx...three people left, three lynches yes?

[Slaxx]

Wow it is either cult or Eragon

Damn

[Slaxx]

I think we pretty much have to lynch Cult tomorrow because of the "SA is always scum here but lets vote Slaxx" line.

[Slaxx]

holy shit wait

your vanilla cop didn't confirm he was lying

how did you know? lmfao

[Slaxx]

I agree btw

Kitcat/Invis are the townblock now. CARRY MY TORCH.

[Slaxx]

kitcat is vanilla

You know how hard it was not to say "Roo is town because I'm doctor and he's cop"?

Wait how did you know she was a cop?

It was fairly obvious

I mean it wasn't but it was, I knew what to be looking for.

[Slaxx]

Either side of my clock had a cop, and the insightful reads but sparse posting + some weird NK analysis about Pink breadcrumbing investigative clued me in.

[Slaxx]

Also "she"

For someone who tries to be progressive I misgender the shit out of people online christ

[Slaxx]

Also I think rooroo did the lol to the PR which makes sense if you are a PR, less likely the other one got outed even though I was kinda