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10 I like this entrance because it shows, whats the word, kinda like not afraid of being called out because they vote the fake names until finally *shocker* coming to a realization of the name, its not strong but something to keep in mind. On a different note the byplay with rooroo is a bit off-putting, and the “chainsaw” but it all feels natural.
11 this made me laugh, which I always like in RvS, NAI though
14 after somewhere around 9-10 posts in the thread, opening with a naked vote and then disappearing is a bit awkward, and I feel its just kinda… boring? I feel town opens up with a comment similar to cult of athena, with some sort of funny remark on the going-ons, but just dropping a vote and disappearing is… just kinda blegh.
15 same goes for EwoF
16- 18. I know its more or less a joke read, but I like the fact that invisibility shows some sort of grind to find reads. And of course, you cant expect much being that its from RvS, so I get towny pings. Also natural IMO.
20 I don’t like this vote, because its a naked vote that (doesnt seem to be) isn’t RvS and I don’t see why “getting early town pings on invisibility” is scummy? Its their opinion, you can disagree with them certainly, but thats no cause for a vote.
23 I don’t really think its spamming the thread, and this feels like a bit of shade, calling their posts “null/OTT”
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nothing ;_:
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partly i really didn't like the naked vote that (didn't seem to be RvS) had no reasoning and was right after you made a post about thinking invisi is town, then coming back with saying invisi is OTT.In post 177, kitcat wrote:
I don't think SA is really tunneling you right now. Your reaction to SA's push feels a bit like an overaction to meIn post 164, Pink Ball wrote:Could you explain why do you think me feeling tunneled is scummy? And look at rethoric here: I said I feel tunneled, not THINK I'm being tunneled. You know that's different.
Is this because of his vote on me on page1?In post 175, Eragon wrote:Scumlean(light)- Slaxx
Also your entrance feels kinda townie to me
And I approve of the cute cat pictures!
Basically what im seeing is that they voted you because they disagreed with your read on invisi, which is not a towny mindset, as Townies have opposing opinions often.
and also calling invisi "spamming" and "OTT" sorta unsparks discussion, because i definitely didn't notice "spam" and apparantly scumreading someone for posting makes people want to post less.
as i said originally i thought their entrance was fine, but then the vote and the explanation/SR on invisi thing didn't sit well with me.
reminder those were still from page 1 so nothing is solid yet in my mind lmao
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25 I dont trust anyone that says “trust me” /s
27 RQS lel
28 what? So you find OTT being towny? Self-voting doesn’t draw extra attention and is perfectly able to self-vote. However, this early having a read on someone and being able to back it up with some… reasoning… is pretty good and shows initiative.
31 this feels like unnessecary shade on kitcat, I could be wrong if I’m reading the implications wrong, and why do you think pink ball is a good vote?
32 why do you straight up assume he’s calling you out for drawing attention? He mentioned nothing of the kind and it feels wolfy putting reasons in someone else’s mouth(computer? Idk w/e, you get the meaning)
37 could have fooled me
38towny post, for multiple reasons. 1: I mindmeld strongly :3. 2. It shows scum hunting and town hunting, I like the townread on kitcat given reasons, and it seems thought through without scum progression.
41 yikes thats cold. But how is rooroo the most useless when they had more posts than people that posted twice???
42 you are being weird this game?? I didn’t notice lol. Even so, bringing up reasons that might not be for your townread is towny, and I don’t think scum would say “im being weird this game” about someone town reading them.
43 I’m having trouble putting this one into words but I don’t like this post. It feels just… off to me? It almost feels a little like shade, saying that “your vote it stupid and really took no effort and this is why it was trash ^.
45 I’ve seen 0 progression on why you think invisibility is scum
47 it might just be because I replaced in but I really don’t understand the reasoning behind this post or why you posted it.
48what is this vote for?
49repeats a question they asked on the same page… basically just posting to post.
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Town read- Athena
Town lean - Invisi
Null town- kit cat
Null-Rooroo
Null scum- EwoF, Pinkball
Scum lean-assassin
Scum read- Slaxx
Ok seeing as im leaning null scum or greater on 4 people, im probably judging a bit too harsh. I’ll keep reading and see how it changes towards the end.
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52 towny tone, but nothing huge. I just feel town is more likely to acknowledge and point out their mistakes than scum.
53 NGL I had to look up what bombastic meant to understand this post. Ok seeing what bombastic means, why do you think its towny for someone to post a lot of posts that have no meaning? Or inflated posts or whatever it means. So. Many. Big. Words. ARGH. “Fallacious” this is a towny post as well because I feel scum would just try to ride the new player but not outright say they are a new player, and if anyone asks, just say “ I was trying not to out I was an alt” its simple to get more easily townread but not have many repercussions in the end. Town wants to be read correctly, with full information, so they out they are an alt.
55 lol
56 never change, even if I can’t understand what you are saying, you are speaking the language of the gods. Im just going to go with my gut here and think you said “JARBLGARFUGHBLEGH” (jk) you are basically saying that rooroo made a forced joke about “rolling scum” because they wanted to make a “townie” entrance post so you think its kinda LAMIST. Am I getting the feel?
61 “do you have a case on rooroo” when its page 3 with 60 posts. Honestly what do you expect? This feels like trying to provide “Activity” without actually doing anything.
63 but…. Why might he be a scum, not “he might be a scum”…
64 /s
65 being new doesn’t mean you can get away with vote dropping randomly and not having any explanation.
66 mindmeld town tbh
67 PRAISE THE SUN WE HAVE A REASON. I actually think that this is thought through and towny read. Have a slight townread even though you were a hardhat about giving a reason <_<
68 mindmeld on the post about slaxx and then asking for the reasoning on the “willing to vote” stuff is NAI but I like the mind meld :3.
69 yes invisi, yes kit cat nice. Why do/did you think ofrhz, and by extension, me, is scum?
70 captain obvious here with a post that means absolutely nothing
71 I dont like the kinda high-handed tone here. like, “isnt it OBVIOUS that #56 is forced wow how dumb are you to not see that” also as invisi said this post doesnt explain your vote before hand, unless you know what people post before its posted…
73 captain obvious here with a post that means absolutely nothing
74 then why didnt you express those in your reasoning? Now your just reaching for things to post on justification for the vote.
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11 this made me laugh, which I always like in RvS, NAI though
38towny post, for multiple reasons. 1: I mindmeld strongly :3. 2. It shows scum hunting and town hunting, I like the townread on kitcat given reasons, and it seems thought through without scum progression.
68 mindmeld on the post about slaxx and then asking for the reasoning on the “willing to vote” stuff is NAI but I like the mind meld :3.
69 yes invisi, yes kit cat nice. Why do/did you think ofrhz, and by extension, me, is scum?
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75 I don’t necessarily consider a vote thats been around for about 30 posts to be vote parking hmmmm…
77 pressure is good for almost any target, pressure helps discern alignment, especially from low posters it sparks a defense. They might be easy targets, but easy targets can still be scum targets.
79 you don’t need to put more effort than everyone else, you just need to actually try.
80 same fucking goes for you pinkball, you haven’t done shit and your still continuing just to jump in and post things that mean batshit.
83 is this a pressure vote or did you think ofrhz was scum? If its the latter, why?
84 or you know, you could actually fucking post something useful for a change. Im actually getting kind of pissed off here.
85 indeed
87 What about all that “posturing” or whatever you scumread invisi for? As soon as they unvote rooroo you drop the vote on them????? why? The fact they unvoted doesn’t change anything, just their vote.
88 yes it felt townie but what about their reluctance to give the reasoning in the first place?
94 why are you “heavily considering it” you haven’t even said a word about ofrhz the entire game
95 so you were waiting the entire time for this one thing??? Jesus christ.
99 this game isn’t about giving town reads to people “Wanting” to be townread, its ABOUT. MAKING. FRICKIN. TOWNREADS.
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Town lean - Kit cat
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This page was just a bunch on Invisi and slaxx with Pinkball hopping in so nothing really changes except pinkball is scummier
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101 another post that means so much and that I will always hold dear to my poor fucking heart thats 2 sizes too small
102 heartily agree
103 IF you want to make the game less engaged actually do things wow imagine that. It might actually provoke content that provokes more content jeez I didn’t know such a thing was possible.
106 again literally not 1 mention of ofhrZ in their ISO, this is blatant sheeping to put someone to L-1 without even mentioning them.
107 wow you actually posted a little content. And all it is is a townread on invisi which is very easy and saying your RvS vote is a real vote without explanation which is lazy.
108 is it bad that I feel town!pinkball would have hammered here because they wouldn’t be as scared of pressure on them for hammering?
109 why do you think slaxx is town. (you can tell me slaxx will never see it lol ecks dee)
111 when the fuck did invisi become a townread to you? And your still leaning scum on ofhrz as your strongest read without a single mention. This progression is out of the world.
114 just doesn’t seem at all like a towny post and again, if he was actually town and wanted to lolhammer, he probably would have. Unless its all just a big meme.
115 agreed
119 because its a multiple quote post each quote/response is 1 number
Then why did you say “kitcat still thinks scum doesn’t draw attention” or whatever you said?
No comment
I dont see any bad timing with the RvS post and I feel it was a nice, natural post. I do agree cult got towny as the day went on(in a sense). Agree about Pinkball. Why is it towny that ofhrz pointed out he didn’t answer a question?
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120 but if you think they’re heading in a certain direction that means its not a current scumread :facts:
121 First off, that post was after pinkball’s, so its quite possibly he just didn’t get there. Second off, at least invisi posted something and has been producing actual content so far. And then shading by putting a “motive” behind Assasin’s posts.
123 you can be thinking about more than 1 thing. If you are waiting for something just don’t mention it and read other things. You don’t get to not do shit just cause “im waiting to see how things go and see if something happens” “your scumread on me is atrocious, even my lolposts are better” certainly not I think you should go check yourself.
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Town lean - Kit cat
Null town- rooroo, assassin
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125 there is a thing called reads? Where you read someone’s posts and see if they are scummy or town? Thats kinda the point of FM.
126 “Im a sucker for a good wagon and yet im voting someone I havent talked about yet” seems legit.
129 you cant find one thing that you can read? Not one thing? seriously?
132 what why how when where who where am I is this the wrong game are we seeing the same post????
135 so replacing out means you can’t have a wagon? Someone replacing out is definitely not still scum?
136 o god the pocketing
137 what shade?
138 but I thought it was a “good wagon” and also you actually think he’s tunneling?
140 ookay, I still don’t see how its a tunnel
145 we dont need any angleshooting tyvm.
148 uhh I don’t understand this post please explain. And this does feel like shade actually, like “interesting, I dont know how or why you see this and its weird and confusing” just doesn’t sit right. I don’t feel that assassin and pinkball are ever SvS though.
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Assasin dropped down to scum but im pretty sure assassin and pinkball are TvS so if one flips scum the other should be town. For now im leaning pinkball as scum and assassin as town though
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1. I could be wrong about one or both of your alignmentsIn post 189, Slaxx wrote:Oh Jesus am I gonna have to defend myself pbp?
136: How is it pocketing if we are both your strongest scumreads?
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Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.In post 190, Slaxx wrote:126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.
And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”
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In post 192, Slaxx wrote:121: I pointed out an inconsistency in play. Also, “shading” by guessing a motive behind a post- isn’t that what we are all doing here? Doesn’t seem like shading.
I didn’t say you didnt point out an inconsistency.
I said you called him scum for something he hasn’t notably “passed” in thread yet and you didn’t know if he was going to comment on it.
It was after the post pinkball made(invisi’s post was) so until he has passed that point in thread you can’t assume that he won’t comment and that he’s scum for that.
Also, I pointed out the fact that the 2 scenarios are different.
Pinkball refuses any information/reads to give and invisible only didn’t fully explain one read.
Big difference there IMO
and I didn’t say guessing a motive
You assigned a motive to his posts, which is what I believe is shading.
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UnderstandableIn post 194, Slaxx wrote:135: My vote was to preside OfhrZ for a read because I felt like I could read him.
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So you had him as a scumlean but needed more to read him???In post 195, Slaxx wrote:
Lol. Look at his ISO. I needed more. Dude.In post 193, Eragon wrote:
Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.In post 190, Slaxx wrote:126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.
And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”
If you have a “good handle on reading him” then why didn’t you try reading the posts he made and commenting on them?
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It means that I scumread the post regardless of whether it’s SvS, TvS, or he’s pocketing youIn post 197, Slaxx wrote:
“3. It’s still a disgusting post” means like nothing.In post 191, Eragon wrote:
1. I could be wrong about one or both of your alignmentsIn post 189, Slaxx wrote:Oh Jesus am I gonna have to defend myself pbp?
136: How is it pocketing if we are both your strongest scumreads?
2. NGL I have seen scum “pocket” scum before
3. It’s still a disgusting post
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It’s not the idea that’s bad, it’s the tone.In post 201, Slaxx wrote:#43: Because lynching the most useless player is a low effort vote. It’s an excuse to not discern alignment. Am I wrong here?
As I expressed in the post about it.
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Ok maybe that’s a bit much yes, but I still think you wait until it’s obvious he doesn’t respond, then ask.In post 204, Slaxx wrote:#49 Are you serious? I didn’t get an answer to my question and SA had posted since then. If anything I should be a townread for the follow up, in means I’m genuinely interested in the answer and not just trying to look busy
Cause there’s a good possiblity he just didn’t reach that point in thread and was still catching up.
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The point is why did you have him as a scumlean, not why you voted him.In post 206, Slaxx wrote:
Lean. Lean isn’t enough to lynch. I want a solid scumread. I mean if I’m 60/40 on him but think a pressure vote can make me 70/30 do I not go for it? Those numbers are arbitrary but help illustrate the point I’m making.In post 203, Eragon wrote:
So you had him as a scumlean but needed more to read him???In post 195, Slaxx wrote:
Lol. Look at his ISO. I needed more. Dude.In post 193, Eragon wrote:
Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.In post 190, Slaxx wrote:126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.
And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”
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43 I’m having trouble putting this one into words but I don’t like this post. It feels just… off to me? It almost feels a little like shade, saying that “your vote it stupid and really took no effort and this is why it was trashIn post 210, Slaxx wrote:
Please do explain how the tone was scummy. It was a bad fucking vote.In post 208, Eragon wrote:
It’s not the idea that’s bad, it’s the tone.In post 201, Slaxx wrote:#43: Because lynching the most useless player is a low effort vote. It’s an excuse to not discern alignment. Am I wrong here?
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In post 212, Slaxx wrote:
If I ask a question and the poster is addressing issues in a similar area and mine doesn’t get addressed I’m going to follow up before I forget. It was important to me to get the answer.In post 209, Eragon wrote:
Ok maybe that’s a bit much yes, but I still think you wait until it’s obvious he doesn’t respond, then ask.In post 204, Slaxx wrote:#49 Are you serious? I didn’t get an answer to my question and SA had posted since then. If anything I should be a townread for the follow up, in means I’m genuinely interested in the answer and not just trying to look busy
Cause there’s a good possiblity he just didn’t reach that point in thread and was still catching up.
But I see it’s not really scummy so point dropped
And that’s why I said point dropped
Some of my pints might be single-sided becuase I’m trying to catchup and get back into the present so I can form some real-time reads, so I might have missed some perspective.
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Why do you feel it’s out of place to question a naked vote and to call invisible town?In post 215, Slaxx wrote:
#58 and #59 seemed a bit rushed and out of place. It was a very weak read. I think later in the game I say I’m more confident on town than scum reads.In post 211, Eragon wrote:
The point is why did you have him as a scumlean, not why you voted him.In post 206, Slaxx wrote:
Lean. Lean isn’t enough to lynch. I want a solid scumread. I mean if I’m 60/40 on him but think a pressure vote can make me 70/30 do I not go for it? Those numbers are arbitrary but help illustrate the point I’m making.In post 203, Eragon wrote:
So you had him as a scumlean but needed more to read him???In post 195, Slaxx wrote:
Lol. Look at his ISO. I needed more. Dude.In post 193, Eragon wrote:
Point is, you haven’t tried to sort him.In post 190, Slaxx wrote:126: He hadn’t posted much and I said I have a good handle on reading him. So. How’s that scummy? Seems pretty consistent to me.
And you had voted him and had him as a scumread before this post, so you can’t say “consistent”
If you have a “good handle on reading him” then why didn’t you try reading the posts he made and commenting on them?
How does that make sense?
And is rushed neccesarily scummy, or is rushed short on time??
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And I dropped the ones that I agree to be stupid when pointed out.In post 217, Slaxx wrote:So I actually am okay with some of the ofhrZ stuff. I’m playing closer to the cuff than I usually do and that’s on me. If I eat the rope, I’ve learned that playstyle isn’t my look.
But a lot of this peripheral stuff just feels like you wanted to add stuff to the case on me which I actually get if you’re trying to push a lynch but so much of it seems just... superfluous. Like even benign posts were assigned this inflated meaning.
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In post 222, Slaxx wrote:Also in game activity was super low at that point. I figured a move like that might get people stirred up.
I suppose it did. Just with a delay.
We got some good reasoning here finally
This is why I like RTI instead of just boring old catchups
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SameIn post 224, Slaxx wrote:Anyway I really like real time talks, I think they’re kind of special in terms of getting reads.
But I have to sleep, so, just drop any other questions you have for me.
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I just LOVE it when no one posts the entire time i'm asleep and then getting to my bus.
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Eyes w/out a Face do you have an abbreviation that you prefer such as EwoF, or Eyes, or Face or anything or does it not matter to you?
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153 uhhh how is it tunneling? Especially if its superficial at best? Tunneling is big, not some mildly expressed scumread. I feel pinkball is scummy here for blowing the read out of proportion like he’s hyper-sensitive to being scumread. Tell me if this is normal but I don’t see why town jumps to such a conclusion.
154 This is probably just semantics but stating “you’re probably the closest thing I have to a scumread” makes it sound you don’t actually have a scumread? Am I right in saying this or am I looking to much into wording?
156 btw I agree about the stuff with pinkball
158 flippy with votes isn’t neccesarily a bad thing, especially for town, and I kinda like it because it shows they aren’t scared of people calling them out for a lot of votes and that instead of being single-minded they are open, which is also a townie mindset. And no, there are no special rules against replace outs except THEY ARE NOT AI AND TALKING ABOUT THEM IS BAD AND SHOULD NVEVER HAPPEN. Its called angle shooting and is bad.
160 towny post I can explain it in more detail if I must but you can see for yourself this most likely isn’t scum. I do have one question, what are the minor town pings on eyes?
164 a scumread is not a tunnel. If you think assasins’s read on you is a tunnel then my read on Slaxx must be a hard death tunnel huh?
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Reads as of this point, and my read on slaxx is changed slightly by the RTI we had an I liked some of the responses/points.
Town read- Invisi, (pinkball, assasin)
Town lean - Kit cat, Athena
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Scum read- (pinkball, Assasin)
So im doing this one quite a bit differently than before.
I am pretty confident in Pinkball/Assasin being TvS, even though I scumread both of them seperately, so im putting both names in parenthesis in town read and scumread.
My read on kit cat is same level but its grown a little stronger in my feels.
I dropped Athena to a stronger town lean about same level as kit cat because I realized they didn’t really have enough presence, and while I like their posts and think they have a townie mindset, its not impossible I am being duped and they are scum faking this.
Slaxx moved up, because I liked some of the posts in our 1v1 RTI… thing
Everything else should be the same?
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171 yes… the meme lawrd. But don’t think just because im funny means im not serious
181 if you think there hasn’t been enough info why aren’t you trying to put stuff out there and get info? It doesn’t seem like you are trying to get reads and this is just a copout from doing things. Contradictions are not the only thing that make a scum, and a scum doesn’t always contradict. And town doesn’t always not contradict. You need to broaden your mind. Dont rely on PRs. They can die N1, they can get worthless information, w/e. Rely on yourself and rely on your reads. trust, and we can win.
184hmmm I like this solving attempt a bit, im waiting to hear one thing before making solid read on this. But like, can you try to give some explanations for these? Even just a couple words or sentences.
185urgh I dont know about this vote. Yes, its consistent with their post, but their reasoning, “i dont want to put pinkball to L-1 incase he is town” but you were on the ofhrz wagon when he was L-1. plus, if scum decides to quick hammer im fine with a 1-1 trade if pinkball is town. “I didnt want to make assassin a competent wagon” but whats wrong with having multiple wagons? “i dont want it to look like im voting kit cat because she’s voting me” feels very very self-aware and worried about being scumread? I dont know why town would be worried about that.
186 odd, laughable reaction. Brushing off pressure that *probably* wont be pushed on them?
187 yes, but they were doing PoE if you read their post, and they voted you over the other 3 because those 3 reasons they didnt vote the other three.
189 the “oh Jesus am I gonna have to defend myself” really doesn’t sit well and feels like they were originally coasting and now were actually worried about being lynched.
Current times.
I want a little more on eye for the moment, but I didn’t really like his self-awareness.
Nothing really changed here most off it was eye’s posting.
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In post 233, Pink Ball wrote:Ok, I'm pretty pissed off right no. I was fucking memeing all time when there was literally ONE PERSON POSTING, and I'm called out for not doing shit? I was doing shit, I was trying to get reactions, and I got one from Invisibility that helped me sort him out. If you don't know what the hell I'm doing, ask me, for fucks sake. I already said I didn't want to explicitly say what my reads were at the time 'cause I was waiting for something to happen, why the fuck is that scummy? I really can't believe this shit.
you were waiting for something on every single thing? you were literally just popping in doing nothing pretty much the entire time, until you are called out on it. thats wolfy because your just coasting and then when people call you out you start doing things. its proof you can, you just didn't feel like it.
Also, I already explained two fucking times why I felt tunneled, and you keep addressing that shit as I am wrong? FEELINGS, FEELINGS, FEEEEEEEELIIIIIIIINGS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, I CAN'T BE WRONG ABOUT HOW I FEEL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I *THINK* IT'S A TUNNEL. And the feeling, as I already explained, was justified on some specific posts that made me feel I was going to be scumread by Sleepless no matter what I said/did.
yes, and like i said i think its wolfy you think you are feeling like you are being tunneled. i never said you are not feeling tunneled. Its wolfy because it shows you are hyper-sensitive to being pushed, which in my opinion is a scum trait because town is a lot less worried and scum is aware of every push.
I'm going to be boring from now on and be pretty much straightforward with my thoughts 'cause it's clearly impossible to do something else without people thinking "what the hell is this guy doing, omg scum!!one!11!".
you don;t have to state every thought as long as you state some thoughts. leaving us with posts that means nothing is worse than doing nothing at all. if your gonna wait just fucking wait. you weren;t doing shit until you got called out for it, as you did when invisi called you out and now me.
I started to scumread rooroo 'cause of this post:
It felt like it was not a genuine feeling, too defensive when I think there was no much pressure on her, and including the fact that this is her meme alt was sketchy too, like "don't expect too much coming from me". BUT I changed my mind, everyone scumreading me because of not contributing made me feel the same way, so now this post is NAI and I have nothing on rooroo.In post 79, rooroo wrote:I will policy lynch the next person to suggest that I somehow need to put more effort into towning on day 1 than everyone else just because I'm me this has happened 3 games in a row now and 2 of them including this one are on meme alts.
low effort isn't even scum-indicative for me.
ok at least you can give reasoning, but why didn't you bring this up earlier. withholding reads is bad, and given the fact that it doesn;t seem like you were "Waiting" for for anything on this post then why couldn't you state it? and now its "NAI" just feels a copout to not scumread
Invisibility reaction to my shitposting, on the other hand, felt genuine, like without thinking. "Fuck this guy, I'm trying to play this game and this guy is doing nothing" and voting me without thinking consequences comes from town IMO.
Eragon's catchup is bad in my books. The last post, specially, saying that either me or sleepless is scum and the other town, seems like preparing lynches beforehand. I think there's nothing to come to the conclusion that one of us is town and the other one is scum exclusively. We could both be scum, for example. If Sleepless flipped scum, would I become town because of how Sleepless is scumreading me or because of how I reacted to his scumread on me? No, there's nothing of that. Eragon, on that matter, seems to have the ulterior motive to note this in order to lynch one of us first and the other one when the first one flips town. This gives me even more reasons to believe Sleepless is town; I already pointed out why I feel Sleepless' posts about me feel townie.
so, my catchup is bad because you disagree with one post. coolio. good deflection. But, i thought i was pretty clear. I scumread you both individually, but i also don't think you are ever in a team. This happens because I don't think, first of all, scum is bussing in this playlist and game speed. there is no point because before i got to this game coasting was the word and literally nothing was happening. So the fact that sleepless was voting you, and you "FELT" like you were being tunneled is never SvS because even if scum were bussing, the "FEEL" like you were being tunneled wouldn't have happened unless you were faking it. I think the feeling is genuine, and you genuinely felt you were being tunneled. its just that feeling is wolfy. There is some of that. I seem to note this because ITS WHAT I FUCKING THINK. how is it lining up lynches for me thinking its TvS? i have plenty of reasons to believe its TvS, and i feel confident enough in my skill and my reads to push this. how is having a read fucking ultierior motive? if we lynch one of you and they flip scum, im confident in the other being town. nice. If we lynch one of you and they flip town, im confident in the other being scum. nice. as i said. i . have clear scumreads of both of you individually, and i think you are never scumbuddies. I gave clear progression and saying i have no other motive except lining up lynches is wolfy as shit.
Slaxx I think has been the most reasonable player of the whole playerlist, and his last interactions with Eragon are maybe the most AI think you could get from a player in this game. I get that someone could not like his tone, but that's pretty much NAI compared with the content he has provided. I townread people who is reasonable in general, and this is a perfect case where scum would be doing another thing that Slaxx is not doing.
you actually townread someone for "being reasonable" thats absolute bullshit and a terrible reason to scumread someone. Scum can easily be reasonable too, and content can come from either alignment. if you get that someone couldn't like his tone, how is that NAI? content is NAI and any player that has played more than a couple games should easily know that. I agree hes recent interactions have been extremely AI, and thats why my read on him has sunk slightly.
From the rest, kitcat, EyesWithoutAFace and CultofAthena, I got nothing, mainly because I was focusing on the other slots first; I'm going to reread those ISOs but there's nothing that caught my attention while reading the thread... I mean I have some gutreads on Cult being townie and kitcat being scummy, but I'm not giving too much credit to that for now. Maybe real-time interactions could make those slots easier to sort out.
So my reads would be:
{SleeplessAssasin, Slaxx, Invisibility} townreads
{CultofAthena} nulltown
{rooroo, EyesWithoutAFace} null
{kitcat} nullscum
{Eragon} scumreads
Nulltown, Null and Nullscum are really close to each other, but far away from townreads and scumreads.
"Scum because he OBVIOUSLY HAS AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE of lining up lynches and OBVIOUSLY DIDNT EXPLAIN ANYTHING AT ALL" yes this makes sense 1000%
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i dont scumread everyone.In post 234, Pink Ball wrote:Add to Eragon scumreading everyone to my "Eragon is scum" arguments
i have 50% of the playerlist in null scum or below.
which is 4 people
there are 2 scum.
that means i have 4 scumreads.
add to the fact 2 people i believe only have 1 scum in it, so thats more 3 people i actually scumread.
im not going to have the game 100% locked and you think i cant scumread more than one person?
what the fucking hell is wrong with you?
i have 4 scumreads with one of them being between 2 people.
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i suppose.In post 236, rooroo wrote:In post 231, Eragon wrote:185urgh I dont know about this vote. Yes, its consistent with their post, but their reasoning, “i dont want to put pinkball to L-1 incase he is town” but you were on the ofhrz wagon when he was L-1. plus, if scum decides to quick hammer im fine with a 1-1 trade if pinkball is town. “I didnt want to make assassin a competent wagon” but whats wrong with having multiple wagons? “i dont want it to look like im voting kit cat because she’s voting me” feels very very self-aware and worried about being scumread? I dont know why town would be worried about that.
town definitely have these thoughts too and I kind of think scum are less likely to post them specifically because they're too self-awareI want a little more on eye for the moment, but I didn’t really like his self-awareness.
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In post 240, Pink Ball wrote:Why are you treating me like an idiot? I said I was pissed off because of being scumread when I think there's no reason for scumreading someone fluffing around with purpose behind. I never insulted you, and when I delivered my reads I toned down the "pissed off mood" in order to not belittle no one. Saying things like ""Scum because he OBVIOUSLY HAS AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE of lining up lynches and OBVIOUSLY DIDNT EXPLAIN ANYTHING AT ALL" yes this makes sense 1000%" is ?. I didn't say you didn't explain anything at all, I said it felt like you were lining up lynches because I didn't like the reasoning behind your reads on me and Sleepless. I know my alignment, of course I think you're wrong about what you're doing.
About scumreading everyone: yeah sorry, I thought you had EWAF as townie and then degraded him to a slight scumread because of being self aware, so I thought you had 5 instead of 4, my bad.
i probably did go a bit overboard, and for that i apologize. im just kinda pissed off at the entire game state right now and the fact that basically this game was just like 3-4 people posting content and not even 7 pages when i replaced in. Im used to games that can get to 7 pages in the first couple hours, let alone numerous days.In post 241, Pink Ball wrote:I think your reply to my post was townie tho. I don't like your tone, but your tone is the thing that makes me feel you're being angry town with who you think is scum. If you were scum and your faked scumread started scumreading you, I think your reaction would've been more "I have to look better than this guy" and the way you reacted doesn't seem to be like that. I mean, you depicted me like an idiot, but the way you did it was different from what I would've expected from scum.
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So that makes me pretty confident that the scumteam is in my nullreads. We'll need those sweet interactions now.
im liking the fact people are starting to post content and reads, etc...
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In post 246, kitcat wrote:
I meant bombastic more in the sense of: 'attention-seeking', or 'loud'In post 179, Eragon wrote:53 NGL I had to look up what bombastic meant to understand this post. Ok seeing what bombastic means, why do you think its towny for someone to post a lot of posts that have no meaning? Or inflated posts or whatever it means. So. Many. Big. Words. ARGH. “Fallacious” this is a towny post as well because I feel scum would just try to ride the new player but not outright say they are a new player, and if anyone asks, just say “ I was trying not to out I was an alt” its simple to get more easily townread but not have many repercussions in the end. Town wants to be read correctly, with full information, so they out they are an alt.
And not particularly in the sense of: 'post a lot of posts that have no meaning
I don't inherently find posts that are loud/ott/attention-seeking to be townie in a general sense, but I think it is for vizzy.
And yeah I feel like it's a little bit misleading to let people think of me as a new player when I'm not since that will probably affect how they try to sort me.
And sorry for the big words - I'm trying a bit of a different posting style
lol no its fine post however you want im just messing around because i was overloaded and had to look up both words lmao
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i feel you, this ^ is the bane of my FM existence.In post 251, kitcat wrote:Slaxx, you feel really weird tonally. I'm bad at describing tonal reads (they tend to basically end up somewhere around 'gut') but I guess I should probably mention it and I'll try to figure out why it's bothering me
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can you elaborate the bolded a little plz?In post 261, Pink Ball wrote:
I changed my mind about Eragon already, and tIn post 256, kitcat wrote:
Uh this feels kinda ATE and OTT to me and I'm not sure why you're reacting this way?In post 233, Pink Ball wrote:Ok, I'm pretty pissed off right no. I was fucking memeing all time when there was literally ONE PERSON POSTING, and I'm called out for not doing shit? I was doing shit, I was trying to get reactions, and I got one from Invisibility that helped me sort him out. If you don't know what the hell I'm doing, ask me, for fucks sake. I already said I didn't want to explicitly say what my reads were at the time 'cause I was waiting for something to happen, why the fuck is that scummy? I really can't believe this shit.
Also, I already explained two fucking times why I felt tunneled, and you keep addressing that shit as I am wrong? FEELINGS, FEELINGS, FEEEEEEEELIIIIIIIINGS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, I CAN'T BE WRONG ABOUT HOW I FEEL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I *THINK* IT'S A TUNNEL. And the feeling, as I already explained, was justified on some specific posts that made me feel I was going to be scumread by Sleepless no matter what I said/did.
Also this readslist is like upside down in comparision to mineIn post 233, Pink Ball wrote:So my reads would be:
{SleeplessAssasin, Slaxx, Invisibility} townreads
{CultofAthena} nulltown
{rooroo, EyesWithoutAFace} null
{kitcat} nullscum
{Eragon} scumreadshe way you're posting right now reminds me of other player who I usually scumread because of playstyle instead of content, so keep it going.
Also about ATE yeah it was pretty emotional but when I explained my reads I toned it down. I was pretty much pissed off by being scumread by almost everyone just because I was trying to be funny in a game that no one was playing.
what i feel you are saying is that
"your playstyle reminds me of people i scumread the playstyle of so keep it going and im scumreading you"
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going out of the game for a moment but isn't that literally the point of pocketing?In post 264, Pink Ball wrote:
Yeah I knew were you where coming from since Eragon already talked about that alternative, but... Again, I don't like talking about what I would and wouldn't do as town or scum since it's pretty much useless, but I wouldn't try to pocket a player I don't know that much or that I think that they could outplay me. You're both of these cases.In post 262, Slaxx wrote: Okay I like that a lot more. Thanks for explaining. Eragon has mentioned pocketing and I’m super susceptible to that, especially as I built a rapport with the player, so I just wanted to see that I wasn’t being fleeced.
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explain this
In post 267, Invisibility wrote:i like eragon
there was a lot of text that
i'll have to read and not just skim later when i have more time
i also dont really like pink ball's freakout
thanks vizzy :3
sorry for the mass posts lmao
what reaction test huh?In post 268, Invisibility wrote:actually nah this reaction test is stupid im not sure what to think of the post though
i like eragons breakdown though so maybe i should dislike the post
okay i dislike the post
also dont dislike it because my breakdown.
i could be going off conf!bias
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In post 271, Eyes without a face wrote:But your response makes me feel better, because you are not arguing your alignment, but arguing the evidence. It's like you're saying "It's not what you know. It's what you can prove." which works in a court of law, but not in an online game.
arent you supposed to argue the evidence?
its kind of hard to argue your alignment when only you know it aint it?
lolIn post 273, Slaxx wrote:This is probably the first time I’ve been told arguing the evidence is scummy
this is kinda rude but i feel someone with good experience should know by now that D1 reads are what are important in this game and not just try to slank and really do nothing until "the night passes" yes i understand that you did PoE and you said some things, but PoE'ing the list doesn't really help us solve alignments, it just is basically rhe lynchpoolIn post 276, Eyes without a face wrote:
No preference.In post 229, Eragon wrote:Eyes w/out a Face do you have an abbreviation that you prefer such as EwoF, or Eyes, or Face or anything or does it not matter to you?
also, whats your experience in FM (about how long/how many games)
I have good experience in FM, but I would rather not say where or give any more details.
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In post 285, Eyes without a face wrote:
I didn't say that and I would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. However you respond is up to you, but I didn't like the particular response you gave. What's so confusing about this?In post 272, Slaxx wrote:So the proper response to that would be “I’m Town”
Also, people wanted me to try harder and give reads and I did just that. What's wrong with that?
Finally (and this is of most importance to me), why are you making such a fuss about a single vote on you? O am but only one player with one vote, and nobody else is or has been voting you, so what do you have to worry about? In fact, here's your answer: Your overreaction to a mere single vote on you feels over the top and that is what is ponging me hard now.
you said that they should argue their alignment not the evidence.
how do you argue alignment without saying "im town"
you think this was an over-reaction?
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In post 288, Slaxx wrote:
Yikes.In post 285, Eyes without a face wrote:
I didn't say that and I would appreciate if you didn't put words in my mouth. However you respond is up to you, but I didn't like the particular response you gave. What's so confusing about this?In post 272, Slaxx wrote:So the proper response to that would be “I’m Town”
Also, people wanted me to try harder and give reads and I did just that. What's wrong with that?
Finally (and this is of most importance to me), why are you making such a fuss about a single vote on you? O am but only one player with one vote, and nobody else is or has been voting you, so what do you have to worry about? In fact, here's your answer: Your overreaction to a mere single vote on you feels over the top and that is what is ponging me hard now.
Your reads list was incredibly opaque and came 19 minutes after you said there wasn’t much content for you to get reads from.
Your vote was really bad, that’s why. I reacted completely reasonably to Eragon having a scumread on me so don’t try to pull that.
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snipped assasin's quoteIn post 297, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Eragon, I don't have a good enough memory to remember who posted every single post number and I'm not clicking every single one of your links, so if anything in your catchup is directed at me please address it specifically at me. Your reads list at the end of those posts at least gives me an idea but otherwise it's hard to follow where you stand exactly. Hopefully real time interaction will fix that though.Also, can you summarize your case on Slaxx?<-Scratch that actually. Your back and forth with him is giving me a good idea of it.
Hmm, really? Can you give an example?Eragon wrote:2. NGL I have seen scum “pocket” scum before
Actually, my post addressed it. Slaxx, you said "elaborate" and that's what I had done.Eragon wrote:Ok maybe that’s a bit much yes, but I still think you wait until it’s obvious he doesn’t respond, then ask.
Cause there’s a good possiblity he just didn’t reach that point in thread and was still catching up.
Funny. I had something similar typed out about Eragon's TvS point and then I got to your post. I agree completely. TvS feels like a completely random label and I can't think of any reason why he would feel that way. It looks like he just put it there and ran with it rather than actually seeing it first. Actually though...I typed that out and then saw his reply:Pink Ball wrote:Eragon's catchup is bad in my books. The last post, specially, saying that either me or sleepless is scum and the other town, seems like preparing lynches beforehand. I think there's nothing to come to the conclusion that one of us is town and the other one is scum exclusively. We could both be scum, for example. If Sleepless flipped scum, would I become town because of how Sleepless is scumreading me or because of how I reacted to his scumread on me? No, there's nothing of that. Eragon, on that matter, seems to have the ulterior motive to note this in order to lynch one of us first and the other one when the first one flips town.
And now it just looks like I was reading "TvS" the wrong way. So it's that Pink Ball and I are independent scum reads but not scum together. It wasn't something in our discussion that made Eragon go "Oh, one of these two is scum". That actually makes more sense. I feel scatter brained this game. Ugh.Eragon wrote:so, my catchup is bad because you disagree with one post. coolio. good deflection. But, i thought i was pretty clear. I scumread you both individually, but i also don't think you are ever in a team. This happens because I don't think, first of all, scum is bussing in this playlist and game speed. there is no point because before i got to this game coasting was the word and literally nothing was happening. So the fact that sleepless was voting you, and you "FELT" like you were being tunneled is never SvS because even if scum were bussing, the "FEEL" like you were being tunneled wouldn't have happened unless you were faking it. I think the feeling is genuine, and you genuinely felt you were being tunneled. its just that feeling is wolfy. There is some of that. I seem to note this because ITS WHAT I FUCKING THINK. how is it lining up lynches for me thinking its TvS? i have plenty of reasons to believe its TvS, and i feel confident enough in my skill and my reads to push this. how is having a read fucking ultierior motive? if we lynch one of you and they flip scum, im confident in the other being town. nice. If we lynch one of you and they flip town, im confident in the other being scum. nice. as i said. i . have clear scumreads of both of you individually, and i think you are never scumbuddies. I gave clear progression and saying i have no other motive except lining up lynches is wolfy as shit.
will do, just give me a little time
thats why i put "pocket" in quotes because its not really pocketing, its just talking in a... I think the best word is familiar... way that seems un-natural
ye TvS for me means 1 scum 1 town but i individually scumread both.
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wait for me to compile the stuff for assasin at least, and everyone to check in would be nice
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it can be a towncred grabIn post 339, Eyes without a face wrote:
Explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves.In post 334, Invisibility wrote:this isnt town this cant be town
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In post 340, Eragon wrote:
it can be a towncred grabIn post 339, Eyes without a face wrote:
Explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves.In post 334, Invisibility wrote:this isnt town this cant be town
and explain the motive for town to L-1 themselves
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its literally what you posted right hereIn post 339, Eyes without a face wrote:
Explain the motive for scum to L-1 themselves.In post 334, Invisibility wrote:this isnt town this cant be town
Scum- *hmm what would scum never do
oh right theres no logical reason to L-1 myself
so ima vote myself*
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literally the
"lets see if i do... "
makes this 100% scum.
if it was a natural self-vote out of desperation/anger thats understandable.
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“14 after somewhere around 9-10 posts in the thread, opening with a naked vote and then disappearing is a bit awkward, and I feel its just kinda… boring? I feel town opens up with a comment similar to cult of athena, with some sort of funny remark on the going-ons, but just dropping a vote and disappearing is… just kinda blegh. “
But as this was in RvS I didn’t make a huge deal out of it, it just started me off on a bad feel.
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“31 this feels like unnessecary shade on kitcat, I could be wrong if I’m reading the implications wrong, and why do you think pink ball is a good vote?”
This was the post with “oh god kit cat still thinks scum doesn’t draw attention” and “pinkball is my second choice for vote.
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47 it might just be because I replaced in but I really don’t understand the reasoning behind this post or why you posted it.
Just explain plz
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“119 because its a multiple quote post each quote/response is 1 number
Then why did you say “kitcat still thinks scum doesn’t draw attention” or whatever you said?
No comment
I dont see any bad timing with the RvS post and I feel it was a nice, natural post. I do agree cult got towny as the day went on(in a sense). Agree about Pinkball. Why is it towny that ofhrz pointed out he didn’t answer a question?
Agreed
Bonus: Good vote”
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"148 uhh I don’t understand this post please explain. And this does feel like shade actually, like “interesting, I dont know how or why you see this and its weird and confusing” just doesn’t sit right. I don’t feel that assassin and pinkball are ever SvS though.”
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“154 This is probably just semantics but stating “you’re probably the closest thing I have to a scumread” makes it sound you don’t actually have a scumread? Am I right in saying this or am I looking to much into wording?”
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why this?In post 354, Eyes without a face wrote:
Why did you deep wolf?In post 352, Invisibility wrote:why did you lamist
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this game right now
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im tempted to just smack down the hammer
but im giving hammer rights to invisi because they called it first.
consider this a spiritual hammer
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90% of the time people dont talk about dumb plays in scum chatIn post 363, Pink Ball wrote:What in the hell just happened
I could only see this coming from town because there's no way this guy doesn't have a partner that told him that was an awful idea. Do the scum has daychat? If they do, I don't think Eyes is scum
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wasnt really a cue but its fineIn post 367, Invisibility wrote:that might not have been my cue oh no
but whatever its probably fine
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uhh why?In post 372, rooroo wrote:also this is probably town? but whatever
he did calculated LAMIST to try to not eat rope
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In post 371, Pink Ball wrote:Yeah you're right. By the way we don't have a votecount a long time ago, is there someone who can make an unofficial one? I lost the count and I don't have any tools to make one fast.
If Invisibility just hammered, this are my final thoughts: if Eyes flips red, I think there's a lot of evidence that would put Sleepless Assasin as his partner.
uhhhh votes are
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