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* His tone pings me as being off
* I don't like the Eyes push (it specifically felt manipulative and baiting to me)
* I don't like how he was very very confident that Eyes was flipping scum and then switched to setting up lynches on eyes' green flip during twilight when I don't see a significant reason for his read to have changed.
Like I know this isn't particularly concrete but I don't have a good reason to townread him and my gut says a lot of things feel wrong.
All of this can be explained by differences in playstyle I guess but I'm just not vibing with much of what he's saying right now.
I also have a preponderance of townreads and I'm running out of places scum can be so the fact that I don't townread him is significant in its own right.- kitcat
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Meh, I'd argue that with the right NK choices, coming into Day 2 it'd look like he could. Both Invis and Eragon—if I'm recalling correctly—townread him, rooroo and I were both unknowns, and IIn post 649, kitcat wrote:Not sure if Slaxx was in a good enough position at daystart to deliberately bus day2 - I'm not sure if the bus would have been enough to propel him to a win in 3waythinkthat he would have known that you'd scumread him. Not sure.
I'd argue that it's a decently playable strategy.
You just... felt like scumreading me? I'm not sure I get what you're saying here.In post 651, Invisibility wrote:hi
my reads really havent changed that kinda sucks
like i felt like scumreading coa but that felt too confbiasy to get another read so i didnt
A lot of people seem towantto scumread me, but it doesn't feel like anyone's truly committed. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it yet.- Invisibility
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He was on VLA until today.
I was getting wary he was letting me talk myself into a corner because it’s not looking good for me today but that wouldn’t be a fair accusation to make.- Invisibility
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do you entirely sure what to make of it nowIn post 659, CultOfAthena wrote:
Meh, I'd argue that with the right NK choices, coming into Day 2 it'd look like he could. Both Invis and Eragon—if I'm recalling correctly—townread him, rooroo and I were both unknowns, and IIn post 649, kitcat wrote:Not sure if Slaxx was in a good enough position at daystart to deliberately bus day2 - I'm not sure if the bus would have been enough to propel him to a win in 3waythinkthat he would have known that you'd scumread him. Not sure.
I'd argue that it's a decently playable strategy.
You just... felt like scumreading me? I'm not sure I get what you're saying here.In post 651, Invisibility wrote:hi
my reads really havent changed that kinda sucks
like i felt like scumreading coa but that felt too confbiasy to get another read so i didnt
A lot of people seem towantto scumread me, but it doesn't feel like anyone's truly committed. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it yet.Invisibility is actually AWESOME!- CultOfAthena
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Not really.
My ego wants to say that scum wants to scumread me but there really just isn't much there for them to try to case off of. Probably not the case, but eh. Perhaps more realistically—and less egotistically—is that people feel antsy having too many townreads and so the possibility of me being scum is a comforting one, even before peoplereallyhave reasons for it. That might be a bit too much armchair psychology, though.
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Ok, let's see how much of a dent I can put in this read.
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Looking at the time stamp, I "disappeared" because I went to bed. I explained the vote in 119“14 after somewhere around 9-10 posts in the thread, opening with a naked vote and then disappearing is a bit awkward, and I feel its just kinda… boring? I feel town opens up with a comment similar to cult of athena, with some sort of funny remark on the going-ons, but just dropping a vote and disappearing is… just kinda blegh. “
But as this was in RvS I didn’t make a huge deal out of it, it just started me off on a bad feel.
Nah, I wasn't scumreading kitcat. On page 2, the "trust me" comment was why I wanted to pressure pink ball and try to read him better.“31 this feels like unnessecary shade on kitcat, I could be wrong if I’m reading the implications wrong, and why do you think pink ball is a good vote?”
This was the post with “oh god kit cat still thinks scum doesn’t draw attention” and “pinkball is my second choice for vote.
It was in response to post 32.47 it might just be because I replaced in but I really don’t understand the reasoning behind this post or why you posted it.
Just explain plz
Because she said someone was too attention grabbing to be scum. It had nothing to do with meta. I've never played with kitcat.Then why did you say “kitcat still thinks scum doesn’t draw attention” or whatever you said?
As I said, I realized after Cult posted more that I was off base, but it felt like Cult thought roo would be an easy target to push a Day 1 wagon on. ofhrz pointing out that he didn't answer a question felt town because if he had avoided the question as scum, I can't think of a reason why he'd bring it back up later. As town, it sounds more like he's trying to get a read on whoever asked the question.I dont see any bad timing with the RvS post and I feel it was a nice, natural post. I do agree cult got towny as the day went on(in a sense). Agree about Pinkball. Why is it towny that ofhrz pointed out he didn’t answer a question?
I didn't understand where the tunneling comment came from. It didn't feel like an accurate representation of what I was doing. I know he called me town for it, but I still wanted to dig into his thought process to see if it felt genuine or not. Basically, I wanted more of an explanation than what he gave."148 uhh I don’t understand this post please explain. And this does feel like shade actually, like “interesting, I dont know how or why you see this and its weird and confusing” just doesn’t sit right. I don’t feel that assassin and pinkball are ever SvS though.”
You've got it right. I never really got a scum read on Day 1 of this game. My votes were more to feel people out and try to read them better.“154 This is probably just semantics but stating “you’re probably the closest thing I have to a scumread” makes it sound you don’t actually have a scumread? Am I right in saying this or am I looking to much into wording?”
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rooroo wrote:also this is probably town? but whatever
^This could be scum who knew Eyes was town. Also don't like the "lol" reaction to Eyes power role hunting and telling scum to shoot her power role read. That move by Eyes was blatantly playing against her win condition. It could have fucked us over. I can't imagine why town would find that funny.rooroo wrote:idk I just lolhammered town penguinpower for an obviously fake reaction to a fakehammer that turned out to be real
town do a lot of ridiculous things and they do them more often than scum
This, on the other hand, sounds like town who is confident we lynched correctly.slaxx wrote:This flips scum.
“I developed reads slowly”
“I have the game solved”
Okay
Slaxx wrote:So I think town here means SA tomorrow, his vote looked the least organic
Elaborate.Slaxx wrote:And Roo for unique and thoughtful perspectives that seem hard for town to fake
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Will read Day 2 tomorrow at the latest.3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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In post 657, Invisibility wrote:kitcat where are you seeing the lining up lynches i didnt find itIn post 416, Slaxx wrote:If Eyes is town it’s probably SAIn post 437, Slaxx wrote:SA wasn’t around for the lulz L-1 gambit either
So SA works with both flips
And a bunch more. He did it for whatever alignment Eyes maybe flipped, so maybe this isn't as bad as I thought it wasIn post 457, Slaxx wrote:I’m saying kitcat looks more Townie if Eyes flips green. Even though that means my scumpool is smaller. Because like you said they weren’t being opportunistic.
If Eyes flips red then some of their posts could be I terpeted as giving Eyes an out or trying to discount the wagon.
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Eh, it might be doable in this playerlist. Do you think Slaxx kills Pink Ball there? If I remember correctly, I think Pink Ball was jiving with Slaxx and townreading him fairly hard.In post 659, CultOfAthena wrote:Meh, I'd argue that with the right NK choices, coming into Day 2 it'd look like he could. Both Invis and Eragon—if I'm recalling correctly—townread him, rooroo and I were both unknowns, and I think that he would have known that you'd scumread him. Not sure.
I'd argue that it's a decently playable strategy.
Why do you think he'd think I'd be scumreading him? I don't think I said as such either way yeseterday- kitcat
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Your vote was just sort of there and bandwagonish and I'm skeptical of itIn post 667, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Looking at the time stamp, I "disappeared" because I went to bed. I explained the vote in 119- kitcat
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I htought those posts of rooroo's were actually fairly townie.In post 667, Sleepless Assassin wrote:^This could be scum who knew Eyes was town. Also don't like the "lol" reaction to Eyes power role hunting and telling scum to shoot her power role read. That move by Eyes was blatantly playing against her win condition. It could have fucked us over. I can't imagine why town would find that funny.
I don't think the 'lol' was at Eyes per se, or at finding him funny, more at the absurdity of the situation as a whole- Sleepless Assassin
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My vote was the first one there and only sat there until page 5.In post 670, kitcat wrote:
Your vote was just sort of there and bandwagonish and I'm skeptical of itIn post 667, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Looking at the time stamp, I "disappeared" because I went to bed. I explained the vote in 119
Still not a funny situation.In post 671, kitcat wrote:
I htought those posts of rooroo's were actually fairly townie.In post 667, Sleepless Assassin wrote:^This could be scum who knew Eyes was town. Also don't like the "lol" reaction to Eyes power role hunting and telling scum to shoot her power role read. That move by Eyes was blatantly playing against her win condition. It could have fucked us over. I can't imagine why town would find that funny.
I don't think the 'lol' was at Eyes per se, or at finding him funny, more at the absurdity of the situation as a whole3-2 as scum and 5-8 as town
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