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Post Post #950  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:51 pm

In post 491, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 490, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 488, pinturicchio wrote:Just got back into the game and saw this, what do you mean?

Taly and Varsoon signing their posts redundantly, while the STW hydra refuses to do so.

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It’s whoooosh. With 4 o’s. Also I might post this to r/ihavereddit, though I’d prolly wait til the game ends
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Post Post #951  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:54 pm

In post 496, Varsoon wrote:@Alchemist21: That's why I said it's dumb reasoning and didn't even post it in the first place.
Town obviously didn't respond because they either
1. thought it was a joke
2. wanted to see STW's response
3. forgot about it/overlooked it

But yeah, as for why I'm hung up on it at all:
In post 477, Varsoon wrote:I just think it's curious that so many people definitely saw it and hard-dodged acknowledging it at all.
It's a creeping feeling like there's something there but I don't know what or how to suss it out.


But I will say that it's kinda been fruitless for me beyond what I said so far, so I'm dropping it.
Will be neat to see post-game, though, if it did mean anything.

-V

Honestly I might have seen it but I don’t remember it that well.
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Post Post #952  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:58 pm

Alchemist is someone I want to sort more.

I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality on STW , and the vote/unvote onto UP2 ), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.

ProFlavor, Michael Scott, and Pint need an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.

Mephisto reread / UP2 Wagon Evaluation / ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pint are the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.
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Post Post #953  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:58 pm

In post 932, Taly wrote:who is mewtaph?


Someone in this game, with a total of 4 posts!

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Post Post #954  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:59 pm

a50, how have i been towntelling? >:

i wish i was more opinionated than i am right now

also, is T&L towntelling?
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Post Post #955  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:05 pm

In post 519, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Alchemist, Taly, all the other Hydras, and Pint, all to some extent.

@Michael Stott: You're all gravy.

@Mephistophanes: Yeah, I think you're right, it was those Drealmerz 'games'. Time to shudder hard and purge my brains again.

Expand on your TRs on the non-stw hydrae and Pintu?
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Post Post #956  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:06 pm

In post 954, Taly wrote:a50, how have i been towntelling? >:


I don't remember, tbh. I mean, I could go dig it up if you insist, but it happened so early in the game that I just subbed you Town and moved on.

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Post Post #957  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:07 pm

In post 519, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Alchemist, Taly, all the other Hydras, and Pint, all to some extent.

@Michael Stott: You're all gravy.

@Mephistophanes: Yeah, I think you're right, it was those Drealmerz 'games'. Time to shudder hard and purge my brains again.

In post 523, Varsoon wrote:
In post 520, Michael Scott wrote:Your first sentence implies we're a TR, "gravy" implies mixed feelings though, clarify for me?

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I'm from the deep South
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Bruh where
Wouldn’t really be able to meet up anytime soon but it’d be cool to know what state you live in
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Post Post #958  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:10 pm

In post 954, Taly wrote:also, is T&L towntelling?


If that was for me, then yes.. Gamma is slightly town telling now, but I had my TR on them via brass earlier. (As usual Chara developed their TR on the slot via Gamma, as they cannot read brass reliably. It's the case with almost 80% of our reads in every game. We come to the same conclusion via totally different ways. And don't get me wrong, we do not use similar ways on the other 20%. We just do not come to the same conclusion either. :lol: ).

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Post Post #959  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:11 pm

In post 956, Almost50 wrote:
In post 954, Taly wrote:a50, how have i been towntelling? >:


I don't remember, tbh. I mean, I could go dig it up if you insist, but it happened so early in the game that I just subbed you Town and moved on.

~A50

In post 958, Almost50 wrote:
In post 954, Taly wrote:also, is T&L towntelling?


If that was for me, then yes.. Gamma is slightly town telling now, but I had my TR on them via brass earlier. (As usual Chara developed their TR on the slot via Gamma, as they cannot read brass reliably. It's the case with almost 80% of our reads in every game. We come to the same conclusion via totally different ways. And don't get me wrong, we do not use similar ways on the other 20%. We just do not come to the same conclusion either. :lol: ).

~A50


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Post Post #960  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:11 pm

In post 535, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 533, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:If tw tr you only 50% of the time, then he sr you the other 50%, correct?

So, if that is the case, why is him not tr you here, scummy?


at least half the time, not exactly half, but yes

It's a probability thing. Obviously I don't know exact probabilities, so there is a feel component but here's the basic idea

Let's say I think this hydra signing stuff comes from town!TW only 25% of the time, and I think town!TW get's a scum read on me 40% of the time. The chance of town!TW doing both of these things is (1/4)(4/10)=1/10=10%

This isn't a perfect model, of course, and I don't assign actual values to these when I make the assessment.

All of this is a long winded way of saying that the more things someone does that are less likely to come from town than scum, the more scummy they are

Why are you assigning rigid probabilities to things anyways?
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Post Post #961  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:30 pm

In post 955, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 519, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Alchemist, Taly, all the other Hydras, and Pint, all to some extent.

@Michael Stott: You're all gravy.

@Mephistophanes: Yeah, I think you're right, it was those Drealmerz 'games'. Time to shudder hard and purge my brains again.

Expand on your TRs on the non-stw hydrae and Pintu?
-The Real Slim Emerald


Mostly just how they were all approaching the game. Pint had this very cased out post against URAP2 that felt townie to me, though I'm curious where all that effort came and went.
I can write more on the specifics of this later, gotta catch some Z's. <3


In post 957, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 519, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Alchemist, Taly, all the other Hydras, and Pint, all to some extent.

@Michael Stott: You're all gravy.

@Mephistophanes: Yeah, I think you're right, it was those Drealmerz 'games'. Time to shudder hard and purge my brains again.


In post 523, Varsoon wrote:
In post 520, Michael Scott wrote:Your first sentence implies we're a TR, "gravy" implies mixed feelings though, clarify for me?

~Blah


It's all Gravy, like it's all Good.
I'm from the deep South
It's all G


-V

Bruh where
Wouldn’t really be able to meet up anytime soon but it’d be cool to know what state you live in
-Emerald Dog


Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
It'd be cool to meet up or hang out with other scummers. I coincidentally landed in a city in Florida for a year where another scummer lived and we kicked it from time to time, was very cool.

-V

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Post Post #962  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:55 pm

In post 950, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 491, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 490, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 488, pinturicchio wrote:Just got back into the game and saw this, what do you mean?

Taly and Varsoon signing their posts redundantly, while the STW hydra refuses to do so.

~Jimothy

r/woosh.

-Turicchio.

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It's actually woooosh, no 'h'. :P

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Post Post #963  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:39 am

Quack. So much shitposting.
Should we wait for nullslots to do something?

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Post Post #964  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:40 am

In post 928, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:7. pinturucchio town


While I'm not ready to go all-in on pintu, this is the only read on your list I need to request an explanation for. Thank you.

~A50

I thought he was tunneling on me really hard (there's a big post in my iso all about this read you should look at, says pintu right at the top) in a way that I've seen town do far more often than not. Since then he hasn't really tunneled me which mitigates that read, but at the same time I haven't seen anything to give me an active scum read, so still town
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Post Post #965  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:42 am

In post 936, Taly wrote:
In post 63, Mewtaph wrote:VOTE: Alchemist21

Considering that this vote hasn't left, was it serious?

Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.

In post 936, Taly wrote:
In post 765, Mewtaph wrote:Hey Gamma, can I ask you a question? Do you think that I should be town reading you this game?

What answer were you expecting here?

It was an open ended question, so I wasn't expecting any answer in particular.

In post 936, Taly wrote:
In post 772, Mewtaph wrote:I like u r a person 2 for town quite a bit actually, and I would be willing to do my first active sort to them, Taly or Varsoon.

I think NicoRobin is a decent point to poke with a stick before deadline rears too close, but is a bad wagon to get going near deadline in case they are really just apathetic!town.

I don't know why pinturrichio keeps pushing their content back repeatedly but it's not a great look.

I didn't like the initial voting on UP2 when I first skimmed through it, the reasons for a scumread there lacked substance (Prompting Michael Scott to explain why he thought UP2's posts were manufactured, that's the vote that most got my attention when it happened.)

I agree a bit on Nico. A lurker lynch won't get anywhere, and I don't trust the fact that everyone is like "where's the scum at"?

:/ I get my vote on Kokichi contradicts the above statement, but I'm working to change this.

Pint pushing content back... not a great look? Or scum-indicative?

I thought ignoring u r a person 2's self-referential call for a wagon on himself by means of a vote over interaction was scummy. There is a part of me that thinks that scum would be looking for something to do outside of STW's wagon after it dissolved.

Mmm, yes. This is how I feel too.

I'm not taking Pint having to push his content back as scum indicative but I'm saying it would've been bad if posts along those lines continued, which I guess is pointless now.

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Post Post #966  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:46 am

In post 931, Almost Chara wrote:Oh, and also much respect to UR2 for redeeming himself in my eyes. I would be first to acknowledge I'm stubborn and it's hard to change my mind on someone I SR early on (unless there was a mechanical reason to change that read), so UR2 managing to do just that without a mechanical reason is impressive.

golly thanks for the shout out <3

In post 960, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Why are you assigning rigid probabilities to things anyways?
-A very tired Emerald, who is probably gonna stop for the night.

I say right in the post that I don't assign numerical values. example was just for explanation. =)
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Post Post #967  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:57 am

In post 965, Mewtaph wrote:Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.

How so?
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Post Post #968  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:58 am

AC is town and I think my deepwolf paranoia theory is fading.
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Post Post #969  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:55 am

VOTE: Shoshin

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Post Post #970  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:38 am

In post 963, Shoshin the worst wrote:Quack. So much shitposting.
Should we wait for nullslots to do something?

~ Shoshin

I'm going to get myself in a tunnel but here is how I'm reading this:

There is a tunnel on STW and a large proportion of players are saying the gamestate is full of towny dudes - so there is no where for a counter wagon to form - therefore "should we wait for nullslots to do something" could equal "can we wait for the nullslots to do something scummy to take heat off me, as yet, there is no where for people to create a sensible wagon and I'm in a bit of a pickle"


FL said he will catch up soon so I'm just going to let that happen before I go as far as voting/diving down this tunnel, otherwise I would have already.

~ woof

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Post Post #971  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:00 am

In post 70, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 38, NicoRobin wrote:I am in this game.


I believe you.

In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.


“Why again “ what?

Unhappy about something?



In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiipppp

In post 969, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Shoshin


Are you ever planning on answering my freaking question? :shifty:
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Post Post #972  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:14 am

Yes. I am unhappy about being forced to play when I wanted to be a replacement.

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Post Post #973  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:19 am

In post 972, NicoRobin wrote:Yes. I am unhappy about being forced to play when I wanted to be a replacement.


Why do you care so much about being a replacement?

And why didn’t you just tell Krazy that?

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Post Post #974  (ISO)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:41 am

I clearly said '/in to replace' in the sign-up thread.......

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