mini 2051: tree's dump blitz - game over !!!

[Trekkie99]

Unlike regular mafia, this game is more caught up with the times. We the people, the majority, come to a agreement that we want something done in a manner in which we want it done. But then some select group of higher ups who have us crossing our fingers hoping they'll make the right decision and heed our requests say "tough bean sprouts", and do it their way.

Spoiler:

[Trekkie99]

Page top!

[Trekkie99]

Can we get this party started?

sounds dumb

I'm going to VOTE: Clemency because that's just rude.

[Trekkie99]

xyzzy sounds town.

Awfully early to be getting reads IMO...

[Trekkie99]

you smell.

VOTE: trekkie99

Better than nothing.

[Trekkie99]

i disagree pretty strongly. why shade apthet for it being too early to make reads when you even asked to "get this party started"?

Those two scenarios are not comparable. Me asking to get the party started is not telling people to give reads a little more than a page into the game.

[Trekkie99]

what exactly

did

you mean, then?

What I meant was start talking so I can get my own reads.

[Trekkie99]

@northsidedeagal, you should thank me for taking us out of RVS so quickly.

[Trekkie99]

ah yes, the old "scumclaim to get out of rvs"

Don't know that one. How does it work?

[Trekkie99]

Ok than, if we can have reads this early in the game I'll give you mine. Apthet is a newbie scum unnecessarily trying to help out her scum mate xyzzy.

[Trekkie99]

votecount 1.01

3 players voting for Trekkie99 (Clemency, northsidegal, xyzzy)

Anyone concerned about this?

[Trekkie99]

plus the votes literally don't matter unless the jury decides they do. I feel like you're freaking out b/c you're worried the jury are scumreading you

No I'm not worried about the jury potentially scumreading me. Why should I? And yes votes do matter because they help the jury come to their conclusions.

Trekkie you're reaching super hard and you're making bizarre conclusions.

So is it normal to assume someone is townie so early into day one, and not normal to view everyone as scum until

sufficient

evidence proves otherwise for each individual player?

Do you not find apthet saying he reads you as town so early in the game in any way suspicious?

[Trekkie99]

apthet could be scum trying to establish a quick connection to a town player so she looks better, sure, but to come to that conclusion because she quickly forms a townread doesn't really make sense.

Well the soundness of the reasoning may be debatable, but I still feel the suspicion was warranted and should be kept in mind and not discarded just because my reasoning was semi far fetched.

[Trekkie99]

just gut i feel like this might be one of those games where most top posters are town and scum are in the lurkers.

Maybe.

[Trekkie99]

@Trekkie

, respond to my prompt at the end of 58.

I do agree that

Trekkie's

53 is a reach, but I'd like him to explain his thoughts more.

Post 53 was my initial thought when I first saw apthet's post, and while I new it was far fetched, I still felt his post was worthy of suspicion so I brought up the suspicion but excluded the initial reasoning.

[Trekkie99]

Taly seems off to me?

Care to explain in more detail? I have a

slight

suspicion myself, but I want to hear what you have to say first.

[Trekkie99]

The abridged version, since I'm stuck to my phone, is that his current contribution is primarily shutting down people's reads instead of letting them play out.

My suspicion is similar to this in the sense that I think he's sitting on the fence. Joining discussions, but not really picking a side. Keeping his options open so when the opinion sways whichever direction he can easily follow.

[Trekkie99]

Is there any deadline or does the day end when the jury agrees on a lynch?

[Trekkie99]

@Enter

looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

[Trekkie99]

@Trekkie :

Who would you lynch knowing what you know?

No one at the moment since we have so little to go off of.

[Trekkie99]

The only reason my vote's not on you right now is because I doubt it would have much effect on your response.

Or a lynch for that matter.

[Trekkie99]

I have no idea what's going on, but I hear there's judges around.

If they would like me to preform next, I can juggle, I can make stuff go boom, and I can shitpost.

If you want my townie traits, I guess I can gamesolve on the side.

Basically we play like we would normally, but the jury will have the final say on who is lynched.

[Trekkie99]

Hi Bambi Jay!

Bambi Jay has been lynched ! she was a

townie

thank u for replacing ! : ^ )

Oof

[Trekkie99]

I'm not one to doubt our honorable judges, but this lynch seems peculiar.

Clemency's only activity was an RVS vote back and forth with trekkie, who in contrast with his activity has been the most active player so far.

Was hoping to have something more to go on after a lynch, but this is pretty much a complete zero in the info department.

My thoughts exactly.

[Trekkie99]

i mean, even beyond it being pro-town, i'll still also argue that

it just makes it a more enjoyable game if the jury follows what we're saying

it's really not enjoyable to play a game where there's no connection between what you do in thread and what actually happens, and you don't just have to take it from me:

I feel so weak and powerless

Is it just me or do I keep hearing this? Of course the jury is listening to us! What do you think they're doing? Ignoring our discussions and throwing a dart at a board and lynching however the dart lands on? I feel like your upset that you have no control of the situation or the jury. Because as town this shouldn't be a concern knowing the jury is of course town. Do you think the jury has poor judgement?

[Trekkie99]

And yes I do believe that their first lynch choice was semi poor do to the fact that it yielded very little info, but it's not like our fate is in the hands of babys with nuclear launch codes!

[Trekkie99]

Jury if you're paying attention at all, please just lynch Trekkie. I don't think I've seen anyone add more fake stuff to the game thread, and I honestly feel like I'm being mocked for my frustration in a town lynch via 124.

Talk about fake stuff.

[Trekkie99]

Jury if you're paying attention at all, please just lynch Trekkie. I don't think I've seen anyone add more fake stuff to the game thread, and I honestly feel like I'm being mocked for my frustration in a town lynch via 124.

Also that post was meant for northsidedegal, however it could very well apply to you as well.

[Trekkie99]

Jury if you're paying attention

at all

See this? Stop it. Stop talking about the jury. Stop talking to the jury.

[Trekkie99]

Trekkie, pls post your likely scum pools.

Right now my scum reads are you and northsidedegal.

xyzzy and tonymontana are town leans for me while apthet and taly are mixed.

[Trekkie99]

Jury if you're paying attention

at all

See this? Stop it. Stop talking about the jury. Stop talking to the jury.

Jury, trekkie's play is legitimately detrimental to town. He's distracting, avoiding any actually useful questions.

Your not helping town by talking to a one way mirror. Also what "useful questions" have I avoided?

[Trekkie99]

Lynch pool I'd say Trekkie/NSG - The former is just spamming the thread and completely useless

Tunneling you is spamming and completely useless?

even if he flipped town for some reason (I don't think he will, I rarely see play this dodgy and

evasive

from town)

Where is this eveasive behavior? Your being evasive by not answering my initial question.

Your not helping town by talking to a one way mirror.

Also what "useful questions" have I avoided?

[Trekkie99]

so I was looking for his help to establish a town pool we could help prevent things like yesterday, where the jury

just lynches someone from out of nowhere.

What does this even mean? Are you saying it was a bad lynch? I wish it had been someone more active, but the chance of a scum being a lurker is there so the lynch wasn't pointless.

All you've done so far is talk/complain to the jury, order the jury to lynch me, and more recently you've assembled your own town block, and ordered the jury not to lynch them.

[Trekkie99]

Trekkie's 90 was a comically bad post. speck in my eye, plank in your eye etc etc etc

How was I being hypocritical?

Trekkie's 93 is such a bullshit noncommital

answer

. it's tempting to write off some of Trekkie's scummy behavior as just him being a somewhat new player who hasn't totally found his feet, but being unwilling to

answer

such a direct

question

like that isn't a good look.

What question? What answer? Did you mean to link a different post of mine?

[Trekkie99]

Spoiler: Reply to Trekkie

Trekkie, pls post your likely scum pools.

Right now my scum reads are you and northsidedegal.

xyzzy and tonymontana are town leans for me while apthet and taly are mixed.

Oh...

is this because I townread your original scumread?

53

No you just seem too eager too label people town, and not eager enough to label people scum. Basically it looks like your having trouble getting scum reads which is something I tend to have trouble with when I'm scum.

[Trekkie99]

*cracks knuckles* Don't think I can't break down that wall post.

[Trekkie99]

Each quote-to-quote post that is being created, the more difficult it is becoming for the jury to filter out bullshit.

We just need another lynch now. We're 5 hours from the deadline if I'm reading the first-lynch timing correctly.

Jury please give me a few moments to reply to Enter before you lynch me if you are considering it.

[Trekkie99]

Mafia is a jigsaw puzzle. The players are the pieces, and every piece has a single slot that it fits. The optimal townie wants to put the puzzle together to find out which pieces fit in the mafia slots and which pieces fit in the town slots. To do this, the player will often put different combinations of reads together, push their reads (and push the puzzle pieces together) and look at it to see if they fit. A good townie asks questions, but more importantly, relevant questions, and to put reads together the vt MUST be actively trying to rearrange pieces that don't fit, which is why you often see very reactive play from town, with constantly changing reads.

The mafia have no good reason to do this. They want to look town, but they often forget what it means to be town. Like trekkie, they only partially apply themselves. Instead of pushing pieces together and rearranging them when they don't fit, you will often see them place a piece in a pile of other pieces and then leave it for everyone else to figure out what is going on there. Contrary to a town player, the mafia knows what the completed puzzle looks like, so often you'll see a mafia declare that pieces go together, but rarely will they declare that they SHOULD go together, because they already know the outcome.

Trekkie sits with his pieces in a pile. When prodded strongly, he will take a piece and put it somewhere on the table. Maybe it's in relation to another piece. If it is, it rests gently on top. There is no investigation as to whether or not the pieces actually fit together, just a declaration that he did as he was asked, he helped put the puzzle together. After resting his pieces on top of each other, he sits proudly and points at what he did, and then proceeds to ask the other players inane questions like "why did you pick the red piece?" "why are all the pieces that Enter picks have round edges?" even if all the pieces have round edges. "why is the table so big?" "why is the sky blue?" Every time another player asks a decent question or makes a decent comment "Hmm, what if you used this piece instead of that one?" or "I think this one might fit here," trekkie is always right there to follow up with "why did you ask this question this way?" or "what does it mean to think two pieces fit together?"

I have never seen a player seem so terribly and completely convinced that they look like they're scumhunting or tunneling when it appears to me as if they are doing nothing like it. Nothing about his play seems optimal to town in the slightest.

That's why I have a trekkie scumread. I'm not particularly interested in answering his half-assed questions he asks merely for the show of posting content, but if you think it would improve everyone else's chances of seeing where taly fits, I'll do it in a heartbeat.

Section one and two of this post are mafia theory.

Trekkie sits with his pieces in a pile

Null.

When prodded

strongly

Adjectives.

he will take a piece and put it somewhere on the table. Maybe it's in relation to another piece. If it is, it rests

gently

on top

LoL.

Ok than, if we can have reads this early in the game I'll give you mine. Apthet is a newbie scum unnecessarily trying to help out her scum mate xyzzy.

-----------------------

After resting his pieces on top of each other, he sits proudly and points at what he did,

Null.

and then proceeds to ask the other players

insane

questions

Again, adjectives. This time however the adjective makes this statement completely opinion based.

like "why did you pick the red piece?" "why are all the pieces that Enter picks have round edges?" even if all the pieces have round edges. "why is the table so big?" "why is the sky blue?" Every time another player asks a decent question or makes a decent comment "Hmm, what if you used this piece instead of that one?" or "I think this one might fit here," trekkie is always right there to follow up with "why did you ask this question this way?" or "what does it mean to think two pieces fit together?"

Name one post I've made which would be comparable to the fictional quotes you say are reputational of my behavior.

I have never seen a player seem so terribly and completely convinced that they look like they're scumhunting or tunneling when it appears to me as if they are doing nothing like it. Nothing about his play seems optimal to town in the slightest.

Opinion.

That's why I have a trekkie scumread.

I'm not particularly interested in answering his half-assed questions he asks merely for the show of posting content

It doesn't work that way.

[Trekkie99]

I'm not particularly interested in answering his half-assed questions he asks merely for the show of posting content

So basically what your saying is that you can accuse me of something, and when I ask you to explain your reasoning for accusing me, you don't have to answer because you think my questions are half-assed.

Spoiler:

[Trekkie99]

Not quite sure what the fuck you're trying to get from me.

Your defense as too why this post should be considered as townie.

I'm not particularly interested in answering his half-assed questions he asks merely for the show of posting content

[Trekkie99]

asks a question that you think I should answer that I have not already

You've answered zero of my questions.

[Trekkie99]

I'm curious how scum!Enter would deal with me flipping town if I'm lynched. I guess he would pass me off as a distraction that had to be gotten rid of anyway.

[Trekkie99]

Gotta run

[Trekkie99]

Asks for my thoughts immediately after I posted them, fails to answer the prompts I gave in my opening post, also low effort.

I was looking forward to your

further

thoughts. Also I fail to see what I needed to answer to from your opening post.

Literally a no effort post/evasive

It's what I felt at the time.

No effort

It was a joke lol.

No effort, useless.

Just trying to help.

No effort

Another joke.

Parrot

Well he said it best.

Low effort, practically useless,

Just sharing my opinion. Do what you want with it.

Completely useless post.

You were the one making useless posts telling the jury how to do their job.

I asked for scum pools, he doesn't give reasons, just two names. At least it's something.

I plan on expounding on my reads later.

Here I asked you to move your vote of Clemency, which you still haven't done.

Didn't feel the need.

Where have you been tunneling me?

IMO, I've been tunneling since your post #126.

I've already quoted you multiple questions of mine you haven't answered.

I found one and it asked where I was tunneling you.

Low effort and useless.

Hey it's a game.

Point to a question you want answered please

Jury if you're paying attention

at all

See this? Stop it. Stop talking about the jury. Stop talking to the jury.

Jury, trekkie's play is legitimately detrimental to town. He's distracting,

avoiding any actually useful questions

.

Your not helping town by talking to a one way mirror. Also

what "useful questions" have I avoided

?

[Trekkie99]

Not surprised by NSG's flip. Enter asked for a NSG lynch so it definitely gives him a stronger town lean. That or he thought NSG would go unnoticed and that the jury was focusing on someone else.

[Trekkie99]

*requoting for pagetop*

Bare with me, I looked at

North

and found a few quotes that caught my eye.

Spoiler: Quote Dissection: Noteworthy

xyzzy sounds town.
I did not opt out, but I considered it pretty strongly.

mind elaborating?

This post alone doesn't seem off, but the focus on a reason to townread

xyzzy

is more prevalent later.

Plus,

xyzzy

was pretty vocal on a means to approach this game, it doesn't make much sense that

North

asked

apthet

for an explanation and didn't follow up or add any read of

xyzzy

on her own.

Spoiler: Quote Dissection: North brushes off apthet to pursue Trekkie

xyzzy sounds town.

Awfully early to be getting reads IMO...

i disagree pretty strongly. why shade apthet for it being too early to make reads when you even asked to "get this party started"?

VOTE: trekkie

Without following up the

apthet

question,

North

strikes a vote against

Trekkie

with the argument of him

"shading

apthet

"

.

North

never entertained whether

Trekkie's

post was a reaction test. (As it was, solely off of

Trekkie's

"i got us out of RVS!"

post alone)

Spoiler: Quote Dissection: Distance from xyzzy while hardpushing Trekkie

Now, do you have a read on

xyzzy

and any thoughts on his posts?
And why is disagreeing with 35 warrant a vote and a scumread on him?

not really, he's pretty null.

what do you mean disagreeing with 35? if you mean me disagreeing with him saying that it's too early to be getting reads, i think it's logically inconsistent to both want to get the game moving and to point out to someone that it's too early to be getting reads. i also thought just in general that his entering with a joke into later RVS and then 32 and 33 was just a really awkward series of posts.

it's not like i'm claiming some high reliability scumread, but it's enough to warrant a page 2 vote.

Only 5 words for the

xyzzy

read, which was basically nothing, despite people forming an opinion of him already.

And several sentences of saying

"

Trekkie's

scum because he's inconsistent. I mean, this isn't quite reliable but still..."

Both answers read disingenuous.

Xyzzy

was WITH you on the

Trekkie

push but you never paid attention to that - scum distancing.

Spoiler: Quote Dissection: How North-Scum makes apthet/Trekkie/Tony very likely town

No I'm not worried about the jury potentially scumreading me. Why should I? And yes votes do matter because they help the jury come to their conclusions.

i still just don't feel like this is a town reaction. if you're town you

should

be worried about the jury scumreading you and your own mislynch – most townies, in my experience and myself included, tend to get pretty rattled when voted incorrectly or when there's a risk of their mislynch.

this sort of nonchalance just comes across as faked

This almost conftowns

Trekkie

to me.

-

Like most any interaction

North

has had with

Tony (112 - 118 - 137)

and

apthet (35 - 41)

in this game,

North

only talks about how jury, mechanics, and playstyle in this specific setup is town or scum, and nothing definitively AI. It's all situational.

- North

assumes that town WOULD be bothered by getting pushed as if that were a fact... Which covers up HER own behavior of

"you're misinterpreting me"

or

"that's not what I said"

There is NO benefit at ALL for this being a Scum/Scum interaction.

Her string of posts creates a strong dichotomy between

Trekkie/North

, which benefits NEITHER of them as a scum-duo because they have both been heavily suspected by the playerlist.

Spoiler: Quote Dissection: "why is xyzzy town?"

I already said this to a degree; what do you think about my reads thus far?

i like your apthet townread and as i'm sure you know still somewhat disagree with your trekkie townread

elaborate on xyzzy town? i don't really disagree (i'm townleaning him), i just want to hear your reasoning

Again with the

"give me another reason why

xyzzy

is town"

, she just plainly states she has a townlean and asks for a unique thought to piggyback.

It's literally the same mentality she had when reading and agreeing with me in 109 and 116. She provides a non-confident read that's based on what other people say.

North's

posting is basically to tunnel

Trekkie

to reinforce her posts, to doubt the read on me for fencesitting because I townread

Trekkie

, she's 1v1ing

Tony

to fill the game with fluff AND to defend herself, while she creates a blatant associative with

apthet

through townreading and making indirect posts toward her.

This points to

Xyzzy-North

scumteam because she reserves any reasoned opinion of him so nobody would think they're associated.

I'm also thinking

North

keeps questioning why someone thinks

xyzzy

is town, so she could push them if he flips.

Spoiler: Quote Dissection: North/xyzzy on Tony

TOWN
Taly
TonyMontana

apthet
northsidegal

DarkLightA
Clemency
Trekkie99
NOT TOWN

the bottom part of this might shift once replacements show up

explain tony being town?

This was during the

North V Tony

scenario.

xyzzy

puts 3 scumreads - one of which is

Trekkie

, which

North

I'm assuming is still scumreading here...

But

North

isn't focused on any of that. Her ONLY direct interaction with

xyzzy

, is her asking about the

Tony

townread, the person she's 1v1ing.

xyzzy

called

North/Tony

a Scum/Town interaction... but never pushed either two.

I'm confident its because

North/xyzzy

are scum, and they wanted to be on the SAME page with pushing

Trekkie/Tony

-scum while doing the bare minimum amount of interaction with each other, while they state suspicion of the other so they can position themselves at ANY point of them gets lynched.

Their only other interaction is 71 which I actually forgot about because of how irrelevant and content-less it was.

VOTE: xyzzy

I'm seeing a huge associative tell with

xyzzy/North

.

And I'm starting to see how

Me/Enter

could very likely be TvT.

I'ma read this a thousand times and get back to you.

[Trekkie99]

@Enter

is there a reason xyzzy is in your town reads?

Do you have any further opinions about Taly's post #224?

[Trekkie99]

Both answers read disingenuous. Xyzzy was WITH you on the Trekkie push but you never paid attention to that - scum distancing.

Distancing is a huge scum tell for me, however xyzzy's post #146 does have some seemingly legit scum reading on NSD. So I'm not to sure what to think.

Any chance there's more than one scum remaining?

[Trekkie99]

Xyzzy is in my town reads because I like what Xyzzy has done this game when xyzzy has been a part of this game.

Erm...

I want to know why your town reading him. is there a reason he's not at least in your mixed reads?

[Trekkie99]

@xyzzy

The suspicion is that NSG was distancing herself from you.

Big

scum tell IMO.

[Trekkie99]

@Taly

Who would be your next scum read be if xyzzy flipped town and why?

[Trekkie99]

Oof. Got quiet around here.

I can see Taly's read has some holes in it, but I like it a lot so I'm all for a xyzzy lynch.

Just going to VOTE: xyzzy so the jury can see.

[Trekkie99]

What do you like about it

It makes sense for all the reasons Taly has stated.

and why do you not think apthet is scum?

I said I thought she was mixed. And she was still mixed due to her hopping around on her read on you.

Also, I'd like you to clarify your answer to this question.

Xyzzy is in my town reads because I like what Xyzzy has done this game when xyzzy has been a part of this game.

Erm...

I want to know why your town reading him. is there a reason he's not at least in your mixed reads?

[Trekkie99]

my #1 scum read is still trekkie

I don't know what to make of enter at all at this point tbh

I would assume Enter still thinks I'm scum. Surely you must have some read on him?

[Trekkie99]

I'm confused. Everyone still here had NSG to whatever extent in their scum reads. My best guess is at some point NSG's scum mate realized that NSG's lynch was inevitable and they jumped on the wagon. So the question is who was late to the party?

[Trekkie99]

Unless he had some crazy plan, I would think Tony is confirmed town since he focused heavily on NSD, and early on at that.

[Trekkie99]

the jury made it absolutely clear that they have zero interest in lynching Trekkie and that they don't really care that much what the rest of us think.

Saying the jury has "zero interest in lynching me" is another way to say the jury reads me as town, but in a negative light. And no, the "rest of us" is not those who agree with you in thinking I'm scum.

[Trekkie99]

why, exactly, is it incumbent on me to answer for your reads?

Because as town you should want to prove your innocence, help the jury develop their reads, and avoid a mislynch which would bring us closer to losing.

[Trekkie99]

there are a number of explanations for your sudden scumread on me, and one of those possible reasons is that you're scum.

"You scum read me so that makes you scum."

Spoiler:

[Trekkie99]

Would really like to hear from

@Tony

.

[Trekkie99]

i am a small man inside a big shoe

That PR does not exist.

[Trekkie99]

Aw man. GG everyone!