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Unlike regular mafia, this game is more caught up with the times. We the people, the majority, come to a agreement that we want something done in a manner in which we want it done. But then some select group of higher ups who have us crossing our fingers hoping they'll make the right decision and heed our requests say "tough bean sprouts", and do it their way.
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Can we get this party started?
I'm going to VOTE: Clemency because that's just rude.In post 17, Clemency wrote:sounds dumb- Trekkie99
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Awfully early to be getting reads IMO...In post 30, apthet wrote:xyzzy sounds town.- Trekkie99
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Better than nothing.
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Those two scenarios are not comparable. Me asking to get the party started is not telling people to give reads a little more than a page into the game.In post 35, northsidegal wrote:i disagree pretty strongly. why shade apthet for it being too early to make reads when you even asked to "get this party started"?- Trekkie99
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What I meant was start talking so I can get my own reads.
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Don't know that one. How does it work?In post 46, northsidegal wrote:ah yes, the old "scumclaim to get out of rvs"- Trekkie99
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Anyone concerned about this?In post 52, xyzzy wrote:- Trekkie99
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No I'm not worried about the jury potentially scumreading me. Why should I? And yes votes do matter because they help the jury come to their conclusions.In post 56, xyzzy wrote:plus the votes literally don't matter unless the jury decides they do. I feel like you're freaking out b/c you're worried the jury are scumreading you
So is it normal to assume someone is townie so early into day one, and not normal to view everyone as scum untilIn post 56, xyzzy wrote:Trekkie you're reaching super hard and you're making bizarre conclusions.sufficientevidence proves otherwise for each individual player?
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Well the soundness of the reasoning may be debatable, but I still feel the suspicion was warranted and should be kept in mind and not discarded just because my reasoning was semi far fetched.In post 62, xyzzy wrote:apthet could be scum trying to establish a quick connection to a town player so she looks better, sure, but to come to that conclusion because she quickly forms a townread doesn't really make sense.- Trekkie99
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Maybe.In post 66, northsidegal wrote:just gut i feel like this might be one of those games where most top posters are town and scum are in the lurkers.- Trekkie99
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Post 53 was my initial thought when I first saw apthet's post, and while I new it was far fetched, I still felt his post was worthy of suspicion so I brought up the suspicion but excluded the initial reasoning.In post 58, Taly wrote:I do agree thatTrekkie's53 is a reach, but I'd like him to explain his thoughts more.- Trekkie99
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Care to explain in more detail? I have aIn post 64, apthet wrote:Taly seems off to me?suspicion myself, but I want to hear what you have to say first.slight- Trekkie99
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My suspicion is similar to this in the sense that I think he's sitting on the fence. Joining discussions, but not really picking a side. Keeping his options open so when the opinion sways whichever direction he can easily follow.In post 75, apthet wrote:The abridged version, since I'm stuck to my phone, is that his current contribution is primarily shutting down people's reads instead of letting them play out.- Trekkie99
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No one at the moment since we have so little to go off of.
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Or a lynch for that matter.In post 92, Enter wrote:The only reason my vote's not on you right now is because I doubt it would have much effect on your response.- Trekkie99
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Basically we play like we would normally, but the jury will have the final say on who is lynched.In post 96, Bambi Jay wrote:I have no idea what's going on, but I hear there's judges around.
If they would like me to preform next, I can juggle, I can make stuff go boom, and I can shitpost.
If you want my townie traits, I guess I can gamesolve on the side.- Trekkie99
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Hi Bambi Jay!
OofIn post 100, schadd_ wrote:Bambi Jay has been lynched ! she was atownie
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My thoughts exactly.In post 105, TonyMontana wrote:I'm not one to doubt our honorable judges, but this lynch seems peculiar.
Clemency's only activity was an RVS vote back and forth with trekkie, who in contrast with his activity has been the most active player so far.
Was hoping to have something more to go on after a lynch, but this is pretty much a complete zero in the info department.- Trekkie99
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Is it just me or do I keep hearing this? Of course the jury is listening to us! What do you think they're doing? Ignoring our discussions and throwing a dart at a board and lynching however the dart lands on? I feel like your upset that you have no control of the situation or the jury. Because as town this shouldn't be a concern knowing the jury is of course town. Do you think the jury has poor judgement?In post 120, northsidegal wrote:i mean, even beyond it being pro-town, i'll still also argue thatit just makes it a more enjoyable game if the jury follows what we're saying
it's really not enjoyable to play a game where there's no connection between what you do in thread and what actually happens, and you don't just have to take it from me:
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Talk about fake stuff.In post 126, Enter wrote:Jury if you're paying attention at all, please just lynch Trekkie. I don't think I've seen anyone add more fake stuff to the game thread, and I honestly feel like I'm being mocked for my frustration in a town lynch via 124.- Trekkie99
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Also that post was meant for northsidedegal, however it could very well apply to you as well.In post 126, Enter wrote:Jury if you're paying attention at all, please just lynch Trekkie. I don't think I've seen anyone add more fake stuff to the game thread, and I honestly feel like I'm being mocked for my frustration in a town lynch via 124.- Trekkie99
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See this? Stop it. Stop talking about the jury. Stop talking to the jury.
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Right now my scum reads are you and northsidedegal.In post 129, Enter wrote:Trekkie, pls post your likely scum pools.
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Your not helping town by talking to a one way mirror. Also what "useful questions" have I avoided?In post 134, Enter wrote:
Jury, trekkie's play is legitimately detrimental to town. He's distracting, avoiding any actually useful questions.In post 133, Trekkie99 wrote:See this? Stop it. Stop talking about the jury. Stop talking to the jury.
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Tunneling you is spamming and completely useless?In post 144, Enter wrote: Lynch pool I'd say Trekkie/NSG - The former is just spamming the thread and completely useless
Where is this eveasive behavior? Your being evasive by not answering my initial question.In post 144, Enter wrote:even if he flipped town for some reason (I don't think he will, I rarely see play this dodgy andevasivefrom town)
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What does this even mean? Are you saying it was a bad lynch? I wish it had been someone more active, but the chance of a scum being a lurker is there so the lynch wasn't pointless.In post 147, Enter wrote:so I was looking for his help to establish a town pool we could help prevent things like yesterday, where the juryjust lynches someone from out of nowhere.
All you've done so far is talk/complain to the jury, order the jury to lynch me, and more recently you've assembled your own town block, and ordered the jury not to lynch them.- Trekkie99
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How was I being hypocritical?In post 146, xyzzy wrote:Trekkie's 90 was a comically bad post. speck in my eye, plank in your eye etc etc etc
What question? What answer? Did you mean to link a different post of mine?In post 146, xyzzy wrote:Trekkie's 93 is such a bullshit noncommitalanswer. it's tempting to write off some of Trekkie's scummy behavior as just him being a somewhat new player who hasn't totally found his feet, but being unwilling toanswersuch a directquestionlike that isn't a good look.- Trekkie99
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No you just seem too eager too label people town, and not eager enough to label people scum. Basically it looks like your having trouble getting scum reads which is something I tend to have trouble with when I'm scum.
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Jury please give me a few moments to reply to Enter before you lynch me if you are considering it.In post 161, Taly wrote:Each quote-to-quote post that is being created, the more difficult it is becoming for the jury to filter out bullshit.
We just need another lynch now. We're 5 hours from the deadline if I'm reading the first-lynch timing correctly.- Trekkie99
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Section one and two of this post are mafia theory.In post 155, Enter wrote:Mafia is a jigsaw puzzle. The players are the pieces, and every piece has a single slot that it fits. The optimal townie wants to put the puzzle together to find out which pieces fit in the mafia slots and which pieces fit in the town slots. To do this, the player will often put different combinations of reads together, push their reads (and push the puzzle pieces together) and look at it to see if they fit. A good townie asks questions, but more importantly, relevant questions, and to put reads together the vt MUST be actively trying to rearrange pieces that don't fit, which is why you often see very reactive play from town, with constantly changing reads.
The mafia have no good reason to do this. They want to look town, but they often forget what it means to be town. Like trekkie, they only partially apply themselves. Instead of pushing pieces together and rearranging them when they don't fit, you will often see them place a piece in a pile of other pieces and then leave it for everyone else to figure out what is going on there. Contrary to a town player, the mafia knows what the completed puzzle looks like, so often you'll see a mafia declare that pieces go together, but rarely will they declare that they SHOULD go together, because they already know the outcome.
Trekkie sits with his pieces in a pile. When prodded strongly, he will take a piece and put it somewhere on the table. Maybe it's in relation to another piece. If it is, it rests gently on top. There is no investigation as to whether or not the pieces actually fit together, just a declaration that he did as he was asked, he helped put the puzzle together. After resting his pieces on top of each other, he sits proudly and points at what he did, and then proceeds to ask the other players inane questions like "why did you pick the red piece?" "why are all the pieces that Enter picks have round edges?" even if all the pieces have round edges. "why is the table so big?" "why is the sky blue?" Every time another player asks a decent question or makes a decent comment "Hmm, what if you used this piece instead of that one?" or "I think this one might fit here," trekkie is always right there to follow up with "why did you ask this question this way?" or "what does it mean to think two pieces fit together?"
I have never seen a player seem so terribly and completely convinced that they look like they're scumhunting or tunneling when it appears to me as if they are doing nothing like it. Nothing about his play seems optimal to town in the slightest.
That's why I have a trekkie scumread. I'm not particularly interested in answering his half-assed questions he asks merely for the show of posting content, but if you think it would improve everyone else's chances of seeing where taly fits, I'll do it in a heartbeat.
Null.Trekkie sits with his pieces in a pile
Adjectives.When proddedstrongly
LoL.he will take a piece and put it somewhere on the table. Maybe it's in relation to another piece. If it is, it restsgentlyon top
-----------------------In post 53, Trekkie99 wrote:Ok than, if we can have reads this early in the game I'll give you mine. Apthet is a newbie scum unnecessarily trying to help out her scum mate xyzzy.
Null.After resting his pieces on top of each other, he sits proudly and points at what he did,
Again, adjectives. This time however the adjective makes this statement completely opinion based.and then proceeds to ask the other playersinsanequestions
Name one post I've made which would be comparable to the fictional quotes you say are reputational of my behavior.like "why did you pick the red piece?" "why are all the pieces that Enter picks have round edges?" even if all the pieces have round edges. "why is the table so big?" "why is the sky blue?" Every time another player asks a decent question or makes a decent comment "Hmm, what if you used this piece instead of that one?" or "I think this one might fit here," trekkie is always right there to follow up with "why did you ask this question this way?" or "what does it mean to think two pieces fit together?"
Opinion.I have never seen a player seem so terribly and completely convinced that they look like they're scumhunting or tunneling when it appears to me as if they are doing nothing like it. Nothing about his play seems optimal to town in the slightest.
It doesn't work that way.That's why I have a trekkie scumread.I'm not particularly interested in answering his half-assed questions he asks merely for the show of posting content- Trekkie99
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So basically what your saying is that you can accuse me of something, and when I ask you to explain your reasoning for accusing me, you don't have to answer because you think my questions are half-assed.In post 155, Enter wrote:I'm not particularly interested in answering his half-assed questions he asks merely for the show of posting content
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Your defense as too why this post should be considered as townie.In post 167, Enter wrote:Not quite sure what the fuck you're trying to get from me.In post 155, Enter wrote:I'm not particularly interested in answering his half-assed questions he asks merely for the show of posting content- Trekkie99
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You've answered zero of my questions.In post 171, Enter wrote:asks a question that you think I should answer that I have not already- Trekkie99
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I was looking forward to yourAsks for my thoughts immediately after I posted them, fails to answer the prompts I gave in my opening post, also low effort.furtherthoughts. Also I fail to see what I needed to answer to from your opening post.
It's what I felt at the time.Literally a no effort post/evasive
It was a joke lol.No effort
Just trying to help.No effort, useless.
Another joke.No effort
Well he said it best.Parrot
Just sharing my opinion. Do what you want with it.Low effort, practically useless,
You were the one making useless posts telling the jury how to do their job.Completely useless post.
I plan on expounding on my reads later.I asked for scum pools, he doesn't give reasons, just two names. At least it's something.
Didn't feel the need.Here I asked you to move your vote of Clemency, which you still haven't done.
IMO, I've been tunneling since your post #126.Where have you been tunneling me?
I found one and it asked where I was tunneling you.I've already quoted you multiple questions of mine you haven't answered.
Hey it's a game.Low effort and useless.Point to a question you want answered pleaseIn post 136, Trekkie99 wrote:
Your not helping town by talking to a one way mirror. AlsoIn post 134, Enter wrote:
Jury, trekkie's play is legitimately detrimental to town. He's distracting,In post 133, Trekkie99 wrote:See this? Stop it. Stop talking about the jury. Stop talking to the jury.
avoiding any actually useful questions.what "useful questions" have I avoided?- Trekkie99
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I'ma read this a thousand times and get back to you.In post 225, Taly wrote:*requoting for pagetop*
In post 224, Taly wrote:Bare with me, I looked atNorthand found a few quotes that caught my eye.
Spoiler: Quote Dissection: Noteworthy
Spoiler: Quote Dissection: North brushes off apthet to pursue Trekkie
Spoiler: Quote Dissection: Distance from xyzzy while hardpushing Trekkie
Spoiler: Quote Dissection: How North-Scum makes apthet/Trekkie/Tony very likely town
Spoiler: Quote Dissection: "why is xyzzy town?"
Spoiler: Quote Dissection: North/xyzzy on Tony
VOTE: xyzzy
I'm seeing a huge associative tell withxyzzy/North.
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Distancing is a huge scum tell for me, however xyzzy's post #146 does have some seemingly legit scum reading on NSD. So I'm not to sure what to think.Both answers read disingenuous. Xyzzy was WITH you on the Trekkie push but you never paid attention to that - scum distancing.
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Erm...In post 237, Enter wrote:Xyzzy is in my town reads because I like what Xyzzy has done this game when xyzzy has been a part of this game.
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It makes sense for all the reasons Taly has stated.In post 258, Enter wrote:What do you like about it
I said I thought she was mixed. And she was still mixed due to her hopping around on her read on you.In post 258, Enter wrote:and why do you not think apthet is scum?
Also, I'd like you to clarify your answer to this question.In post 241, Trekkie99 wrote:
Erm...In post 237, Enter wrote:Xyzzy is in my town reads because I like what Xyzzy has done this game when xyzzy has been a part of this game.
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I would assume Enter still thinks I'm scum. Surely you must have some read on him?In post 260, xyzzy wrote:my #1 scum read is still trekkie
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Saying the jury has "zero interest in lynching me" is another way to say the jury reads me as town, but in a negative light. And no, the "rest of us" is not those who agree with you in thinking I'm scum.the jury made it absolutely clear that they have zero interest in lynching Trekkie and that they don't really care that much what the rest of us think. - Trekkie99
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