In post 297, Xtoxm wrote:In post 285, Karmeleon wrote:
So you mean the correct play is not explicitly saying who you want to lynch the most and let plurality luck do everything?
I actually don't think that would be as bad as you appear to think. Scum can't really pool votes without looking super obvious about it. But, come end of day people will be declaring who their vote is on, no doubt.
Literally doing our own vcs and wagoning in the normal way though, isn't something I'm interested in here.
In post 375, The Last Knight wrote:I eased up on BEF after reading some posts from others saying it was too paranoid to be scum. I could go either way because it could be fake paranoia too.
RCE, I want to scum claim you because all you've done is scum claim me because of my name. But it's only too early to tell.
I maintained and reignited my scum claim on Emperors New Groove because neither person in that hydra have posted more than one post collectively, and I'd like to force a response. But also because I want to limit the number of people with Emperor in their name to one (for nickname's sake) and because our lord and savior Boonskiies uses Kuzco as his avatar.... And there can only be one...
(also top... Again?)
In post 386, Elsa Jay wrote:We got too many people. More then 23 including the Hydras. We gotta thin the herd.
I cant remember everyone in this game, especially with the hydra slips. Sigh.BrightEyedFish wrote:Elsa,
Why all the shade? Are you harbouring emotions from a past game?
Reality show biz, my friend. You aren't appealing to the audience. Unfortunately, that means you gotta go.
In post 414, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 412, Thanos wrote:I thought Lamees would've been posting more by now; Apologies for the inactivity, I'll take some more time before I get into the game.In post 259, davesaz wrote:Someone who is a human and thinks something is true but isn't 100% certain may say/write if/then logic as a natural linguistic effect of that uncertainty. This goes for whether the uncertainty is in the 1st or 2nd part of the statement.
Once you're in the pattern of if x/then y, modifying that pattern to another conditional to show certainty in x but conditional in y is possible, but to the writer unnecessary given they know what they are uncertain about.
I have never seen a legit slip of this type, and the people who call such so-called slips to attention have been scum at least half the time I've seen someone bring it up, possibly more.
It seems unlikely that scum!BEF knowingly pushed a slip he'd know no one else would agree on, and call attention to himself that way. BEF seems to have genuinely believed in that slip, which makes me think he's town.
~Auro
I just watched Infinity War. You’re on my shit list.
In post 418, Thanos wrote:In post 207, Nev and Max wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but our votes do have consequences. Just like the words and actions we make online have real world implications as well.
Votes in this thread will eventually lynch someone, trick is we never know when the day will end unless it goes to deadline or the 4 tell us when they are ending the day
Similar slip here; town methinks. Also, this is one of the slots whose ISO actually feels like they're trying to gamesolve, I appreciate that.
Nev and Max are town.
~Auro
In post 430, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 429, Thanos wrote:In post 426, DrewVa wrote:But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?
It's mentioned in the setup and yet DVa didn't know that.
It's likelier for town in this scenario not to have read the setup properly and not know that public votes aren't counted.
It's less likely for scum to not know, IMO -- Making your slot likely town.
This is an early read, subject to change if there's stronger evidence.
~Auro
Your assumption that not reading the game post is towny is unfounded.
~ C
In post 616, Elsa Jay wrote:In post 613, mcqueen wrote:
I should ISO you, but I feel like -- some 16 pages in -- these are a majority of your posts. It's cool, it's funny, but what have you actually contributed to the game otherwise?
Honestly, it's not an issue here. I'd just prefer if you start making serious posts.
I mean... I could start talking out of my ass and accusing people for no reason, but it'd be disingenuous and won't hold any real merit.
I rather not get hung day 1, so at the moment I am letting the gamesolvers do their thing and making sure to point away from me so they stay on the right track. Later on I give my input on what happened during the night and see the connections being made by the gamesolvers and capitalize on them.
Other then the 5 man mafia team thing I brought up, you guys just do you and argue about scumminess.
In post 624, Elsa Jay wrote:It hurts mafia and town power roles to not know the setup. McQueen, your just as likely to kill strong town who like to be prepared with that line of thinking.
Some people read the rules, and some don't. It's play style, usually NAI except on a case-by-case basis.
In post 455, Nero Cain wrote:In post 451, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Nice strawman.
So not a strawman. You are basically saying that I can't find RCE scummy b/c you didn't. Your use of buzzwords might impress new players and fool them into thinking you are town and/or know what you are talking about but I and everyone else knows this is hollow AF.
In post 628, Elsa Jay wrote:Does anyone elsa want to explain my gimmick to McQueen or do I gotta do it?
In post 631, Elsa Jay wrote:I literally just called you out for trying to kill the town power roles with the way you were going. Would You rather I push you?
Focusing on me just hurts you more. You dont have to townread me yet, and even if you personally check me, you won't believe me. I'm just a natural of being suspicious.
Why are you so focused on me anyway instead of some others? Is it... Because I've secretly been putting in effort all this time and you subconsciously recognized it?
In post 633, Elsa Jay wrote:I dont have any yet so I'm still reading into it. Why should I lie to make a readslist? And who says scum have daychat? The rules specify "may or may not".
In post 575, RCEnigma wrote:In post 542, Nev and Max wrote:In post 499, Ramcius wrote:In post 498, Elsa Jay wrote:He's doing better then the other AFK crew that can end the day. Don't grill him for wanting the game to go forward.
oh, i won't, once we agree to your lynch
but as we are now, we have no consensus on lynch, we barely have discussion and your friend here is trying end day without making any effort to find scum, so I feel like I have every right to grill him for it
I kinda dislike saying this, but I agree with the bolded part. Page 30 seems like an arbitrary number pulled out of an ass somewhere. Guy doesnt know where we are as a gamestate yet, and he is saying hes going to stop it in 8 pages (if he gets support from his othe r3) so he can catch up? Seems like an easy way to have all 5 scum votes on one unsuspecting player while the rest of us have our votes scattered and ultimately wasted.
Why would having all the scum hard claim day 1 be an issue exactly?
In post 576, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 573, Ultimate Liars wrote:We might actually just have to change our vote from Drewva to Alonzo based on the last few pages.
That would be rather unfortunate.
Nero is probably town, he annoys me way too much in every game I'm in with him to let that make him a scumread.
Really though, I want more activity from myself and others. Let's let this game draw out as long as possible!
-Tsumigi
Why do you want to drag out the day? That risks increased town apathy especially with the current rate of posting.
In post 638, Cheeky Dancer wrote:I'm wondering why the Nero/Cheeky chacha was the only thing that really seemed to catch mcqueen's eye/thing he commented on in ~26 pages
~ C
In post 586, Something_Smart wrote:In post 405, DrewVa wrote:Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?
I hate rolling scum but I don't post less
I've had an extremely busy last few days, this game started at a terrible time for me. I'm catching up now.
I will say though, as I'm catching up, I'm having a hard time finding things that feel worthwhile to talk about. Maybe it's the lack of public votes but from the few pages I've looked at just now, it feels like people are just talking each other in circles.
In post 590, Something_Smart wrote:It's almost certainly a bad idea to end the day this early.
But it would be very interesting to see where everyone puts their vote when they don't think anybody's watching.
In post 636, Nero Cain wrote:In post 629, mcqueen wrote:In post 455, Nero Cain wrote:In post 451, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Nice strawman.
So not a strawman. You are basically saying that I can't find RCE scummy b/c you didn't. Your use of buzzwords might impress new players and fool them into thinking you are town and/or know what you are talking about but I and everyone else knows this is hollow AF.
I do find his interaction with you hollow, but from my experience, he's still town. Scum wouldn't put themselves out there like that on Day 1
is this saying that you find Cheeky town? I mean yeah, scum Cheeky just general avoids me as to not make a scene but whats to say that she hasn't decided to change? We can call it null at best I think.
In post 637, Elsa Jay wrote:In post 635, mcqueen wrote:In post 633, Elsa Jay wrote:I dont have any yet so I'm still reading into it. Why should I lie to make a readslist? And who says scum have daychat? The rules specify "may or may not".
Maybe they don’t, but it’s possible they do
You seriously don’t have ANY townreads yet 26 pages in now? I find that hard to believe
No real reason to townread people yet, I scumread first and see who I can trust later. I'm currently waiting to see if RCE and TLK go anywhere or if it drizzled out.
In post 639, Alonzo wrote:In post 634, mcqueen wrote:Here’s a few of my reads to get the ball rolling;
- Cheeky Dancer: town. His interaction with Nero was bad but that’s usually a town tell this early.
- Nero Cain: town. Played with him a long time ago. His playstyle seems the same (kinda sassy, as GE pointed out), but he seems genuine
- Nev and Max: leaning town. This guy(s) go hard. They’re out pushing Day 1 and as of now I don’t see why they’d be that way as scum
have you played with both heads of Cheeky Dancer before?
Do you know who is in nev and max? how are they going hard?
In post 706, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Mcqueen I answered his question before saying that in a smart ass way. Why? Well because getting emotional reactions is my way of reading people.
Second I didn't expect him to see it my way hence I said nice straw man - also at no point did I call RCE town, like you I considered him null but Nero's read on him looked opportunistic as I saw no scumminess in his reaction. That interaction between Nero/RCE read like RCE could have reacted to Nero's dayvig in any way and Nero would still scumread him for it.
Of course we have our own opinions, that's what the point of communicating is - to figure out what another is thinking and why - instead he turns it into a "I don't have to think the same as you" argument which is completely besides the point.
~ C
In post 767, Elsa Jay wrote:Well I currently dont like Alonzo, but that's unrelated to a scumread. Off the top of my head, I guess if I had to name the person i think has a decent chance to flip, it may actually be RCE. Seems to have went away now after stopping his engagement with TLK. Also defending BEF for no tangable reason, maybe to get towncred?
I'm going to sleep on it for now.
In post 795, profii wrote:Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?
In post 816, RCEnigma wrote:Don't like drewva or Nev (max is pretty irrelevant tbh) as lynches today. Overall though I don't have good scumreads and it's not even that there are a ton of people being town.
In post 833, RCEnigma wrote:In post 820, Alonzo wrote:You said this game, implying you have previous with profii, and some sort of metric on how you form a read on him.
How did you reach scum! Profii?
Ahh yes I do. Profii is a more vocal/involved player as town in my opinion. He's been present sure but his early game consisted of recommending ways to bring a votecount in that just seemed of to me for a few reasons:
1.) This setup disadvantages town due to the lack of votecount but I would argue it disadvantages Scum even more which leads to point #
2.) A votecount would be nice to have but not necessary. Town can likely coordinate without it. With it present it makes it easier for scum to spread their votes and town blend or throw of votecounts. Which is unfortunate because I think Profii is strong at VCA but not a part of my scum read. Overall I think scum can't afford to look too coordinated or they risk sticking out and that kind of weakens their sway on lynches.
I also don't buy Nero's demeanor being a surprise to Profii and read it as a soft defense of myself or Cheeky, that in itself is minor. But the way Profii came back to that specifically rubs me wrong. I don't get why he would be hung up on it when he's generally a player with a broader sense of the game and the slots around him.
Thank you for asking about my read Alonzo.
In post 904, Xtoxm wrote:Elsa is my first townread
Page 37. Not bad
@knight, pls change not voting category to unknown. You are putting fake claims in everyone's mouth. Thanx.
In post 916, Elsa Jay wrote:Yeah, I said RCE was more likely to be scum earlier because I liked TLK more at that time, but considering he ignored Ramcius point blank saying he was trying to lynch me, and he is trying to guide the lynch, he may possibly be partners with Ramcius.
Clearly you all don't like the idea of someone only having 2/3 votes dying, so lets bring up TLK and RCE again.
TLK literally scrounging for the votes is a way for scum to reestablish controll and take out the factor of the game that scare them.
In post 982, Karmeleon wrote:Something_Smart looks bad too. He managed to make 12 posts with no reads at all, just complaints about thread activity and game mechanism, promises to catch up and "I can read hebichan" with no follow up.
In post 985, profii wrote:ok so this game is confusing the heck out of me with no idea on where the VCs are up to - so my approach here is to read ISOs in most posts first order, as it will get easier as the task goes on
A summary sentence on everyone will be all for now:
Drewva - Never seen either players scum game but no alarm bells here
Elsa - think I saw a town slip so cool.
RCEnigma - this iso is a bit of a slow burner. interesting, maybe looking to see if town is going to mislynch itself kind of vibe
Gamma - I think he is ok but I'm not a great gamma reader tbh
Cheeky Dancer - I thought the stuff about the fake mason claim was genuine concern so I'll town that
Alonzo - I dunno, not a lot of meat on the bone so I'll reserve judgement for now as I don't know how to sort Alonzo well yet.
Ramicus - I don't like this slot, couple of posts I looked at that made me go 'wait wtf' so I'll probably vote here if nothing else pops up
Almost Chara - I think town, but more on the Almost part of the read as I've never played with Chara before.
Nero - not a read that's like omg this is scum we must lynch now, still a scum read, but idk, not really convincing me of town
nev and max - seems to be getting more stick than they merit I think?
Karmeleon - the towniest read so far I think
The Last Knight - not a fan of this slot, seems like trying to town
McQueen - I'm not even going to ISO this again, I was already town reading him pretty hard before I undertook this task.
Thanos - spotted a town slip
BEF - the grammar argument seems like a town thing to get involved in... but it is bef
Xtoxm - whilst acknowledging I am not a high content dude in this game, I think we are entering into the 'post more please' section of analysis. This slot is the first one, albeit minor scum ping here.
Something_smart - I kinda liked the self vote in the context of it's not actually a vote. Although SS said he didn't do it for that reason, I still lol'd - acknowledging he said he is busy, sympathy as I am too
Dave - slight town lean but early days.
ultimate liars - I definitely can't read Koki and what is Tsumigi
Both Emporers, theta - post more
I think that's your lot - If I missed anyone I blame the alt slippers :p
reflecting back on that - voting TLK
In post 1033, Ramcius wrote:Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?
In post 1034, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You know I’m hit-or-miss at reading you anyway
As for why, I just don’t like the way you’re pushing things, I get the sense you have an agenda
In post 1053, Nero Cain wrote:In post 965, RCEnigma wrote:I just find the people that piled onto your read of me are scummie
use names.In post 968, Something_Smart wrote:I feel like hebichan is one of the few people in this game that I actually can read.
teach meIn post 988, Elsa Jay wrote:In order to teach the ways of Forum Mafia to Mister Boon's friend, clearly the best course of action is to lynch him day 1 as a lesson in what NOT to do here.
ewww. He has the same chance to be sent a scum pm as any of us. I don't like you saying that we shouldn't lynch him just b/c he's new and Boons friend. That said I don't find him scummy anyways.
In post 1059, Nero Cain wrote:lets lynch in
2. Ultimate Liars (Kokichi /Hebichan)
8. Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer)
9. Theta Alpine
10. Elsa Jay
17. Ramcius
19. Emperor flippyNips
21. Emperors New Groove
22. RCEnigma
In post 1119, The Last Knight wrote:In post 444, Ramcius wrote:In post 426, DrewVa wrote:In post 422, Ramcius wrote:
i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?
What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?
But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?
I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.
Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."In post 680, Ramcius wrote:In post 678, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Why do one thing per post when I can do many?
Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.
Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?
~ C
I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.
As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic
At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.In post 793, Ramcius wrote:In post 770, RCEnigma wrote:Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.
Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.
The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.
Other townie slots:
I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.
Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.
what is your read on Elsa?
Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).
Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.In post 1031, Ramcius wrote:In post 1025, DrewVa wrote:In post 1015, davesaz wrote:In post 976, DrewVa wrote:Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.
Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.
Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.
Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum
And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).
I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.
In post 1140, DrewVa wrote:Spoiler:
I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.Spoiler:
Wrt the bolded, possible slip?
In case, anyone missed it.
In post 1181, Nev and Max wrote:
I would second this idea. Saves us from having to waste a mislynch on a guess, and gives us the ability to focus elsewhere knowing that one of the inactive slots will eat a bullet one way or another.
In post 1192, Nev and Max wrote:Hey guys! Quick check in from Max. I just want to let everyone know I’m alive and well. I’m just checking out of rehab tonight, but hopefully next few days I’ll settle back into my normal routine. Well minus all those drugs and alcohol. Don’t do it guys. It’s addicting, next thing you know you’ll be in the back of an ambulance and lying in a hospital bed with an IV pole next to you trying to help you.
I’m glad though I have friends I can count on.
Thank you Nev. seriously buddy I love you.
~Max
In post 1205, Nev and Max wrote:In post 1199, RCEnigma wrote:In post 1184, Nev and Max wrote:In post 1178, Elsa Jay wrote:How do you explain him being so agreeable with the unknown part but pushing back against me for trying to make him use common sense to assume Ramcius was voting me?
I was being kinda snarky because i saw on TLKs update that Ram was on Karm. Tin foil hat theory, what if TLK knew Rams vote wasnt on you?
Well Ram explicitly said he was focusing on scum over lynching Elsa, he just wanted Elsa dead. Therefore you can assume Ram moved his vote.
I dont know why we are assuming anything about anyones vote.In post 403, Ramcius wrote:VOTE: Elsa Jay
guess i have to take the lead to bring democracy to this place
I assumed this was a joke because he mentioned democracy while going after the queen. Since votes in this thread dont count, and at that point we werent doing anything with votes, i dismissed this.
Then we get this:In post 499, Ramcius wrote:oh, i won't, once we agree to your lynch
Which is immediately followed by this:In post 503, Ramcius wrote:i didn't said Elsa is scum
Which is essentially what Elsa has been doing with BEF, right. Just calling for a lynch without backing it up with any reasons (well, real reasons. I think you said something about him being a target for you?) over and over?
And if anyone was confused still they shouldnt be after this:In post 523, Ramcius wrote:my vote still not on Elsa, so your vc isn't accurate
And this just in case:In post 692, Ramcius wrote:that VC was obvious joke, but even then i said it was wrong
963 is the first time he says he made a vote, on Karm (I am very ok with that vote btw).
Im pretty stoned and forgot what my point was here. I think it was something about the fact that we dont really need to speculate on where someones vote was when. I've been changing my vote every time i make a post in my confessional. Ive been using it as a dating advice call in show on the side.
In post 1260, Thanos wrote:In post 1258, Ramcius wrote:DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"
I did read that.
DrewVa's asking you for your defense against TLK when it's so easy to read your ISO and find 1127 and 1218 makes her push seem lazy, and the lack of willingness to back her claim of seeing similar scumslips is bothersome.
The feeble push here with that serious tone feels a bit scum-motivated to me *shrug*
~A
In post 1262, BrightEyedFish wrote:First off, I tend to always overestimate town and underestimate scum. So this post will be full of tinfoil and WIFOM stuff but it's where my fish head is at right now
The hidden vote system hurts both town and scum but I think it makes it a little harder for scum in the long term. They can't just sheep somewhere in the middle of a wagon and say "oops" when the lynched player flips town. They has less excuses to use the following day after a mislynch.
So this is the list of people who have made their votes public. It's around 50% or the player list. So going on that sample size, statistically speaking I would suspect at least 50% of scum to have done the same, so I would say in this list there are at least 2-3 scum.
Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Elsa Jay
profii
Karmeleon
Ramcius
Emperors New Groove
DrewVa
Gamma Emerald
The Last Knight
Nero Cain
Nev and Max
I have switched my vote 3-4 times so far this game and all of the people that I have voted are in this list. So that makes me think my reads are going places. If you have ISO's me then you can probably find my top scumreads throughout the game, though some have changed and some are still developing. ANd since I am a proponent of the hidden vote system I do not wish to publicly announce my votes as of now. I wish more people would keep their votes hidden, at least for the remainder of this day so that after the lynch and any NKs we will have a solid VCA to start with come D2. Perhaps once we get into D2 and further it may make more sense to share where we are voting. But for now I will stay silent on that front.
In post 1304, DrewVa wrote:In post 1303, Nero Cain wrote:Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.
We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.
In post 1319, Something_Smart wrote:In post 1292, Xtoxm wrote:I'm going to have to wade in here. If your clear use of vote tags should be disregarded as a joke, at what point do you draw the line between assuming a vote is a joke and a vote is real? The most sensible course of action is to take literal votes at face value, and you told us that you're voting yourself. If you don't want that in the artificial VC, go ahead and change it.
Oh, I don't think he should have assumed it was a joke. I think he should have asked rather than assuming ANYTHING, because it was meant to cause some confusion about whether it was an actual vote or not.In post 1293, DrewVa wrote:@Something_Smart, who are you voting for, in your ACTUAL confessional?
I would hardly be right to be voting anyone when I haven't expressed any scumreads worthy of the name. I'll vote if and when I see someone who I actually think is substantially more likely scum than town. That doesn't always happen day 1, and it's even less likely to happen in a game like this. For clarity's sake, the answer right now is nobody.
I won't necessarily say when I vote someone, but if I refrain from doing so I will have a reason for not saying it. Probably that reason will be that I think the person would either clam up under pressure and be harder to read or they would get more wild and desperate and burn all their bridges as town.In post 1296, The Last Knight wrote:I took a template and copied it, to be honest, and your name was right there at the top. I did think about taking your vote off but it also seemed like an obvious enough joke. I figured I could leave it there and change it later if/when you decided to go public. Just a sillier unknown.
I want to address the last sentence specifically though, because I don't think these VC are necessarily confessional votes. But if someone did vote here and was contradicted later, it gives some nice info on D2.
Oh, that's interesting. I thought the intent was to create an accurate picture of where people were voting. I know that's what I said I wanted to see (real votes, not mock votes), and I thought you created this in response to what I said.
You're right that it was always my prerogative to change my vote/alert you that it wasn't accurate. To be honest, I wanted to see if anyone would get the impression that I was ACTUALLY voting myself, and how they'd react to that... but it seems like nobody even mentioned it. I want to keep it on even after we've had this conversation, but at the same time I don't want to foster the idea that these votes are fake or less serious or that it's all right to have a joke vote on this that doesn't correspond to your real vote. So with that in mind:
UNVOTE:
In post 1327, Elsa Jay wrote:
My gender is Snow Queen, thank you very much.Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 1102, Elsa Jay wrote:By the way, hypothetically, if I had a gun, who would be opposed if I shot Nero Cain?
I am no longer opposed.
Also, I disagree with outing your role so early. I think it would've been fine if you kept it secret because now scum has that info.
~ P
In one game, I counterclaim a literal Daycop claim for shits and giggles as scum day 1.
In another, I claim Neutral Doctor with the ascetic modifier, later on saying I'm a 1 shot BP day 1. I was a neutral Hider.
In yet another game, I claim day 1 to be a Ninja Lawyer. I was a town ninja lawyer.
Claiming day 1 as any alignment seems to be my specialty.
Who should I shoot then?
In post 1336, Cheeky Dancer wrote:@TLK you're in the bay area too? Oh man, small world.
What do you think of ENG , almost chara, dave, or alonzo?
In post 1337, The Last Knight wrote:Let me read through some ISO's and I'll get back to you. I have some inklings about these peeps so far but I want to take a better look.
In post 1379, Elsa Jay wrote:Yeah, I may or may not have changed my vote with the recent information. But hey, since I'm about to go to sleep...
The person with the most votes after the person lynched is the one who gets shot. Is that a decent deal?
In post 1862, Elsa Jay wrote:What's anti-town to let the town know they have influence during the night so someone suspicous can die that they vote for?
In post 1866, Elsa Jay wrote:In post 1864, mcqueen wrote:In post 1862, Elsa Jay wrote:What's anti-town to let the town know they have influence during the night so someone suspicous can die that they vote for?
You asked who to shoot, then claim that the person with the 2nd most votes gets shot, then say you’re not even the vig.
None of that is consistent?? And you want me to believe that’s town??
I'm hypothetically saying I'm either a vigilante or am informed of a vigilante as a form to see what'll happen tonight. You know the term "Wine In Front Of Me"?
This is my version. It's "Elsa's Loco Suspicious Actions". ELSA for short.
In post 1487, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 1481, mcqueen wrote:In post 795, profii wrote:Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?
Don't understand this post (maybe it's been addressed)
Our only communication as Day reps together is here. We don't get our own private thread or anything
What needs to happen before you feel confident with using your day end vote?
In post 1947, The Last Knight wrote:I'm honestly okay with dying because of this. Elsa has the rule right as far as hammers go.
In post 1973, Alonzo wrote:
Hi!
Thats interesting, I didn't think I gave too much away in that game.
seems like you got me sorted pretty good huh?
What?!? Mcqueen is 2ndStoryWindow?!?
In post 1556, Something_Smart wrote:PLEASE stop quoting long posts. It's hell to read on mobile.
In post 1574, DrewVa wrote:Anyone who lynches lamees gets a pass for d2 -D
In post 1581, Nero Cain wrote:or UL or one of the two empororers.
TL:DR
there's a ton of slots I'd flip before Drew and Thanos
In post 1590, DrewVa wrote:In post 1582, Thanos wrote:I don't like this talk about "reigning someone in", if their push on you is bad, call it out with rhetoric.
You made two posts in thread saying you would talk with her and lamees then continued to push so I'm assuming those posts were pure theater and an attempted pocket while you try to rile me through her.
Lamees wants to piss me off into replacing out, so she can get lynched. She is explicitly playing to scum wincon and moreover is unenjoyable to sort. You should know better than most that I am pretty much done with bothering to sort anti-town town from anti-town scum. So if you want this to not be a 1v1, then you can self-vote and get rid of the problem player. But I am not moving off lamees ever until she is lynched. She is scum and therefore you are scum. Sorry we couldn't roll town together this time, Auro. -D
In post 2037, DrewVa wrote:In post 2035, mcqueen wrote:In post 1556, Something_Smart wrote:PLEASE stop quoting long posts. It's hell to read on mobile.
Sorry, this is stupid. I agree it is, but I’d rather know what’s being referenced.In post 1574, DrewVa wrote:Anyone who lynches lamees gets a pass for d2 -D
I’m gonna need time to review this interaction between you two. But DrewVa, I felt like you let your emotions get the better of you, and I’m not sure where that lands you on my current readslist. No, I don’t want your “if I was scum, I wouldn’t do that” protest. Nothing personal, I just hate those. but if I have time I’ll check for myself.
Here’s to me being a hypocrite, but I usually get emotional as town more than scum. We’ll see how I read you later on. I’m looking forward to reading the next 15 pages in order to help sort you.
It’s kind of frustrating responding to posts like this, since so much has changed, since DVa made that post. We are not even currently sr Thanos but yes, there was some personal shot going down between Lamees and DVa. We did and do, find Lamees to be very scummy but we liked Auro’s reaction to the whole thing and thought he was townie for that. Wrt the bolded, I don’t even think that would be applicable here. So, I only reference that, when it clearly is.
In post 1611, Xtoxm wrote:i stopped scumreading people for lurking a long time ago. been burned by it too many times.
In post 1613, Ramcius wrote:I will be more clear then - i don't like how I am your only scumread and your plan B is just to PL a lurker, when we have 64 pages. On top of that, you openly want end day and not to try find scum
In post 1614, Nero Cain wrote:you are? News to me.
I feel like you are just trying to say things to make me look scummy and hope they stick.
In post 2063, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 1917, DrewVa wrote:Rn, Performer blatantly mischaracterizing our posts and implying he knows anything at all about how I play as scum, when he has never played with me as scum, is the scummiest thing I’ve read so far, this game.
Dude. I was one of the NRG reviewers for the scum game of yours with xwing. I followed that game closely.
Also, you and mcqueen saying I was buddying or acting weird with TLK, say what?? That was an off topic remark about another FM player in the bay area. Using a remark like that to put suspicion on someone, is actually scummy.
~ P
In post 2075, Nero Cain wrote:In post 2042, mcqueen wrote:I agree with this. Your infatuation with lynching lurkers on day 1 is slightly bothersome.
I've yet to even vote for a lurker. (all my votes have been on RCE, Cheeky or Ram. Currently, I'm not voting anyone b/c I thought we were going to do the plan were we use TLK as a double lynch.) I'm just mature enough of a player to know that lurking is a good place for scum to hide out and of our lurkers, several of their scumgames/meta involve being a lurksack. Lurkers suck and I don't like them. Why do I have to scum read active players?
I think Ram is just scum trying t make me look bad by claiming that I'm exclusively hunting lurkers. I also think that his "don't lynch in the lurkers!" means he has a buddy or two there.
In post 2093, Alonzo wrote:I just want progress the game RN more than anything.
Here's some steamy Fresh my name is emperor flippynips and I lurk hard as scum meta
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78044
In post 2100, DrewVa wrote:In post 2093, Alonzo wrote:I just want progress the game RN more than anything.
Here's some steamy Fresh my name is emperor flippynips and I lurk hard as scum meta
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78044
Okay, that’s pretty damn convincing.
I’ll sheep you on that.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flippynips
In post 2103, DrewVa wrote:Actually,
UNVOTE:
For now.
I’m not liking ENG’s recent posts.
I’ll wait on it a bit but ENG has altered the order of mine and Nero’s posts, to arrive at a false conclusion. Also, he accuses Nero for being “buthurt”, because he asked why was he scummy, which was hella weird.
In post 2145, The Last Knight wrote:What if I nominated one or two people who I think should vote me? Then if 3 or more people vote for a nomination, then that player should hammer me.
In post 2177, Almost Chara wrote:@The Last Knight:
I'll have you know we have not voted (or even considered voting) you ever during the course of this game. I had you down as my 2nd strongest TR and I've cited post #900 for it, and Chara agreed with most of my reads (Actually they didn't comment much on my TRs, but we discussed a lynch pool of 7 slots and they came back with 2 TR, 2 SRs & 3 Nulls from those specific 7, so I considered it an agreement we would lynch in 5 of them)
@Nero: I am not going to disclose my reads or our votes. You only get to know who we end up voting by EoD. I'll just tell you that you're not in my bottom 7 (i.e. not at all in our lynch pool).
~A50
In post 2189, DrewVa wrote:In post 2187, Nero Cain wrote:b/c we get rid of two sketchy slots. I mean, not that I find TLK scummy but there are/were a large # of ppl scumreading him and his role can get rid of another. If I were an SS I'd be more than happy suiciding on someone I scumread and that's what he wants to do so...
Though I kinda don't see us being able to really coordinate this rn.
I'm not seeing the big fuss over ENG. I mean yeah, lurking and being useless are both heads scum game so it's certainly possible but your reaon for scum reading him isn't exactly correct. He's not really tunneling me, He questioned my town read and then when he was challenged he called me townish. So its more of a hedge than a tunnel...not that that makes him that much better. I think if you are deadset on deposing an emperor then EFN is maybe slightly scummier.
VOTE: Flippynips
DVa already voted in our confessional, so barring any better options. Alonzo has a pretty decent metacase.
In post 2207, DrewVa wrote:In post 2205, mcqueen wrote:Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol
And ftr my vote is still on Elsa
See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.
Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.
In post 2210, RCEnigma wrote:In post 2207, DrewVa wrote:In post 2205, mcqueen wrote:Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol
And ftr my vote is still on Elsa
See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.
Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.
Profii is a mighty fine choice.
In post 2218, Alonzo wrote:RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.
Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.
In post 2201, mcqueen wrote:In post 2177, Almost Chara wrote:@The Last Knight:
I'll have you know we have not voted (or even considered voting) you ever during the course of this game. I had you down as my 2nd strongest TR and I've cited post #900 for it, and Chara agreed with most of my reads (Actually they didn't comment much on my TRs, but we discussed a lynch pool of 7 slots and they came back with 2 TR, 2 SRs & 3 Nulls from those specific 7, so I considered it an agreement we would lynch in 5 of them)
@Nero: I am not going to disclose my reads or our votes. You only get to know who we end up voting by EoD. I'll just tell you that you're not in my bottom 7 (i.e. not at all in our lynch pool).
~A50
Ur not gonna disclose ur reads?? Well someone just hopped on the scumdar....
In post 2240, Alonzo wrote:In post 2238, mcqueen wrote:In post 2218, Alonzo wrote:RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.
Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.
I mean... or he was so busy with both his posting went down in both.
Sorry, but that’s a conflict of interest here.
my second choice was cheeky, whaddya think?
In post 2243, mcqueen wrote:In post 2240, Alonzo wrote:In post 2238, mcqueen wrote:In post 2218, Alonzo wrote:RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.
Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.
I mean... or he was so busy with both his posting went down in both.
Sorry, but that’s a conflict of interest here.
my second choice was cheeky, whaddya think?
Lemme do a quick iso. I actually had a towean on them, but I’ve also never played with them before and I think you mentioned you have
In post 2246, Nero Cain wrote:b/c I'm pushing my scumread. I'm pretty sure that's my job as town. I just think his "don't lurker hunt!" is scummy. I think his whole thing about not enjoying this game and all that jazz is ATe. His scumreads are 3 people that scumread him and the claimed SS-wich is prob town. I mean, yuck.
In post 2248, DrewVa wrote:In post 2218, Alonzo wrote:RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.
Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.
That’s an interesting point. I’m feeling better about our vote now.
In post 2238, mcqueen wrote:In post 2218, Alonzo wrote:RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.
Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.
I mean... or he was so busy with both his posting went down in both.
Sorry, but that’s a conflict of interest here.
In post 2252, Nero Cain wrote:ate is appeal to emotion.
I've already said at least thrice that having TLK suicide today makes plenty of sense. I'm not voting him though. lol
In post 2256, DrewVa wrote:In post 2236, mcqueen wrote:In post 2207, DrewVa wrote:In post 2205, mcqueen wrote:Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol
And ftr my vote is still on Elsa
See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.
Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.
See, call this counterintuitive, but how about you vote for your scumreads instead of sheeping others almost exclusively throughout day1. Idc if ur not on the main lynch. It gives u town vibes tomorrow and throughout.
I officially give up.![]()
So sorry, I can’t just pull a rabbit out of a hat to please you.![]()
Ftr, our Flippy vote > your Elsa vote. If either one is a probable mislynch, it’s Elsa. But just keep on giving me a hard time over this, for no good reason.
In post 2257, Nero Cain wrote:mcqueen is not voting Elsa, he's voting a lurker (after fussing at me for lurker hunting.)
In post 2261, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Oh wait did I misunderstand? Are you talking about our Drewva read? Can you explain your read on Profii? Sorry if you've done so already.
~ C
In post 2265, DrewVa wrote:In post 2237, mcqueen wrote:In post 2210, RCEnigma wrote:In post 2207, DrewVa wrote:In post 2205, mcqueen wrote:Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol
And ftr my vote is still on Elsa
See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.
Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.
Profii is a mighty fine choice.
I wanted to say this in response to DrewVa, but I wanted them to form their own conclusions.
Also, don’t exactly like how RCE just pops in and says this
We don’t know who to vote for and Alonzo has made the best case so far. Yes, it’s a sheep and I’m fine with it rn. I’m not opposed to Profil/Cheeky or anyone else who might be sketchy but until someone comes up with a better case, I feel good leaving my vote where it is.
In post 2269, DrewVa wrote:In post 2238, mcqueen wrote:In post 2218, Alonzo wrote:RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.
Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.
I mean... or he was so busy with both his posting went down in both.
Sorry, but that’s a conflict of interest here.
Flippy’s posting was completely different - where he wound up flipping two different alignments - in games that had started at the same time. The main reason I unvoted, was I thought the holidays might possibly be a factor but this would indicate otherwise.
In post 2278, Cheeky Dancer wrote:So mcqueen I don't think Profii is scum. He just seems disengaged at this point, like the majority of players. I'm not sure I get why you're so confident there?
~ C
In post 2282, Elsa Jay wrote:Last chance to enter in the raffle to get your shot in, otherwise the vigilante will shoot the second most voted person today if the other flips town.
In post 2293, The Last Knight wrote:I think a proper wagon/scumlean is profii. I am obviously not voting for myself because I don't want to be my own hammer on accident. So I just want to be on a reasonable wagon when the day ends. And profii isn't pinging my towndar at all.
VOTE: profii
In post 2280, Ramcius wrote:In post 2275, Nero Cain wrote:Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.
obviously.![]()
I mean, your accusation that you and Cheeky have both been "shallow non-commital" pushes isn't anything approaching the truth and a guy whose sole "scum reads" are the people that suspect him and a prob town SS claim really doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Remind me, why you scumreading Cheeky, i prob missed your case on them
In post 2294, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 2286, mcqueen wrote:In post 2278, Cheeky Dancer wrote:So mcqueen I don't think Profii is scum. He just seems disengaged at this point, like the majority of players. I'm not sure I get why you're so confident there?
~ C
It’s the best case i have rn other than TLK.
Here’s a small list of other players that are scumread/wanted for lynch, that i DONT
- ram
- CD (you)
- efn
- rce
- eng
Either profii, or I’m up for a PL on AC. Didn’t like how they said they wouldnt disclose reads and feel that’s a huge liability to town
So people believe the TLK claim to be town? AC holding info close to their chest D1 isn't worrying ime. (Well it is for Chara but not A50). I think I'd rather keep them incase they are town because they're a great team when more info comes up.
EFN sounds fine tonally but is just lurking like most people who dont need to wade through the rubbish. ENG is pretty typical for Ari/Peng to be useless so I wouldn't scumread either of these yet either.
I will have to relook at ram but what I've caught seems fine. What are your thoughts on RCE?
In post 2269, DrewVa wrote:In post 2238, mcqueen wrote:In post 2218, Alonzo wrote:RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.
Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.
I mean... or he was so busy with both his posting went down in both.
Sorry, but that’s a conflict of interest here.
Flippy’s posting was completely different - where he wound up flipping two different alignments - in games that had started at the same time. The main reason I unvoted, was I thought the holidays might possibly be a factor but this would indicate otherwise.
In post 2299, profii wrote:I have no idea what’s going on
With plurality in effect it seems there may be a risk of my gettingnlynched so I’ll claim
I can modify 1 person each night with these 3 thingys and give them +1 shot
(Ascetic, Loyal, Loud)
So like 3 nights work if that makes sense
I don’t seem all that useful so might as well lynch
The loud / loyal might help us prove someone later tho
In post 2319, profii wrote:It says I give them a +1 charge
So I guess the modification is perm
But I guess there are a lot of x-shot whatever’s
So the only real long lasting one is presumably ascetic
In post 2346, Xtoxm wrote:In post 2343, mcqueen wrote:
Also, I suspected a lot of us would question our reads greatly come the final hours. I've done so, and it with profii's claim, others are probably doing so as well. That's why I wanted to end the day yesterday irl and take our chances. Xtoxm not doing that doesn't read well to me. Scum may want their own coordinated lynch (assuming they have daytalk, again it's very possible they don't), rather than whoever we were trying to go after (so, profii). Not saying this makes Xtoxm scum, but he's not getting a townread out of it either. And since you suspected him, I followed suit. Sorry, DrewVa, I'm doing what I told you not to do.
P-edit: Like I said, I'd go for an Almost Chara lynch. But there's no wagon there and it's not enough to say "bad town, please lynch" this early in the game.
sorry but this is awful
towns usually come together for a d1 deadline crunch
ending the day would have prevented this from happening
In post 2351, Xtoxm wrote:we didnt have a formed wagon last night
who do you think we had a formed wagon on
3 or 4 claimed votes on someone in a 23p game is near meaningless
Apparently if we don't nominate, the person with the 2nd-most votes for lynch is the one who gets shot. Not sure the vig has a choice. Also, from the nomination pool, it seems random (hence Elsa saying it's a raffle).In post 2352, Almost Chara wrote:So, are we voting on who the vig shoots?? Is that what the "nomination" is for?? If so, I don't fancy telling the Vig what to do. They do as they wish.
In post 2358, Xtoxm wrote:In post 2353, mcqueen wrote:In post 2351, Xtoxm wrote:we didnt have a formed wagon last night
who do you think we had a formed wagon on
3 or 4 claimed votes on someone in a 23p game is near meaningless
Hopefully TLK. Near meaningless? I agree it's a low amount and I'd rather aim for ~8, but don't underestimate 4 being enough, either.
if there genuinely was a formed wagon of that size maybe i could have been talked into ending
the last time i saw the fake vc it had a 3 wagon and a 4 and that was basically it
i thought tonight we would coalesce around a proper wagon with deadline
i guess its not happening
i don't feel like your push on me is coming form a scum place necessarily
but it's really bad reasoning
In post 2362, Almost Chara wrote:In post 2357, mcqueen wrote:Apparently if we don't nominate, the person with the 2nd-most votes for lynch is the one who gets shot. Not sure the vig has a choice. Also, from the nomination pool, it seems random (hence Elsa saying it's a raffle).
Well, if the vig has no choice then that's that. I highly doubt Boon would do this though. A compulsive Vig with no control over their target is equal to a double-lynch every day until the Vig is dead.
In post 2369, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean I could either be a vigilante not wanting to be shot, an informed VT not wanting to be shot, or an informed traitor not wanting to get shot. Besides, why would I say that as a mafia traitor? It's outside my scum range.
In post 2411, DrewVa wrote:In post 2406, BrightEyedFish wrote:DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.
I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.
Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.
FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.
In post 2417, DrewVa wrote:In post 2413, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 2408, mcqueen wrote:@BEF
Not sure what that means because I’ve never been part of a BooneyToonz game before.
Is there actually a BOONus round? How do you know that DrewVa was apart of it?
I’m pretty sure you’re joking, but just to be sure.
I was in a round with DrewVa and Alonzo. DrewVa went on and on about if we are all town in the real game we should compromise so that we all get a prize. We we all did compromise and Alonzo and I were town and DrewVa was scum so DrewVa won the round and said they were choosing 1-shot Vig to be used starting N2.
Granted, the winner of the round choose their prize in their confessional thread so maybe they picked one of the other two options which were Loyal or Macho.
Oh wonderful, out Alonzo too. Next time I roll scum, I want you to be town in that game.
In post 2411, DrewVa wrote:In post 2406, BrightEyedFish wrote:DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.
I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.
Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.
FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.
In post 2424, Ramcius wrote:In post 2419, mcqueen wrote:
Can you not ask to die? It’s annoying and doesn’t contribute
Maybe they kept you alive because people are scumreading you?
I wouldn't kill myself either, I could be BP baiting shot on me for example
You know what is annoying and not contributing? Half of this playerlist, so I'm asking you to excuse me that I rather be on dead thread than try fix this mess, when no one give a shit about solving this game and people lynch lurker, so we have nothing to do D2
In post 2423, DrewVa wrote:In post 2416, mcqueen wrote:In post 2411, DrewVa wrote:In post 2406, BrightEyedFish wrote:DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.
I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.
Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.
FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.
Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this
Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.
In post 2430, DrewVa wrote:In post 2422, mcqueen wrote:In post 2411, DrewVa wrote:In post 2406, BrightEyedFish wrote:DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.
I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.
Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.
FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.
Also, you can explain what you mean when you say “our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game” ?
Sure, the BOOnus round is a separate game within a game, so in our round, there was of course two town and one scum - which was very likely either the same or two scum to one town, in the other room. In our round, Alonzo and BEF got town and we got scum. BEF doesn’t seem to understand that whatever alignment one gets in the BOOnus round, has nothing to do with the main game. Like in our case, the prizes were macho, loyal, 1-shot vig and a +1, that cannot be used with vig. The player that we gifted the vig to, also has the +1 but they will not be able to use it unless they win some other BOOnus prize.
In post 2430, DrewVa wrote:In post 2422, mcqueen wrote:In post 2411, DrewVa wrote:In post 2406, BrightEyedFish wrote:DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.
I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.
Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.
FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.
Also, you can explain what you mean when you say “our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game” ?
Sure, the BOOnus round is a separate game within a game, so in our round, there was of course two town and one scum - which was very likely either the same or two scum to one town, in the other room. In our round, Alonzo and BEF got town and we got scum. BEF doesn’t seem to understand that whatever alignment one gets in the BOOnus round, has nothing to do with the main game. Like in our case, the prizes were macho, loyal, 1-shot vig and a +1, that cannot be used with vig. The player that we gifted the vig to, also has the +1 but they will not be able to use it unless they win some other BOOnus prize.
In post 2435, DrewVa wrote:In post 2429, mcqueen wrote:In post 2423, DrewVa wrote:In post 2416, mcqueen wrote:In post 2411, DrewVa wrote:In post 2406, BrightEyedFish wrote:DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.
I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.
Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.
FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.
Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this
Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.
I actually don’t mind that he outed it. If you’re town, why do you care? The more info the better. And if we can use the events of the Boonus round to scumread/hunt, I don’t see the issue.
How does it help you to scumhunt? BEF has basically put targets on all of our backs, so thanfully we didn’t keep the vig for ourself, or we would very likely be the NK tonight and also fortunately, ISoing us, will not help you figure out who we gifted the vig too. Thankfully BEF doesn’t have access to our confessional and the vig will remain hidden and safe.
In post 2435, DrewVa wrote:In post 2429, mcqueen wrote:In post 2423, DrewVa wrote:In post 2416, mcqueen wrote:In post 2411, DrewVa wrote:In post 2406, BrightEyedFish wrote:DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.
I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.
Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.
FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.
Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this
Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.
I actually don’t mind that he outed it. If you’re town, why do you care? The more info the better. And if we can use the events of the Boonus round to scumread/hunt, I don’t see the issue.
How does it help you to scumhunt? BEF has basically put targets on all of our backs, so thanfully we didn’t keep the vig for ourself, or we would very likely be the NK tonight and also fortunately, ISoing us, will not help you figure out who we gifted the vig too. Thankfully BEF doesn’t have access to our confessional and the vig will remain hidden and safe.
In post 2472, DrewVa wrote:In post 2444, mcqueen wrote:In post 2435, DrewVa wrote:In post 2429, mcqueen wrote:In post 2423, DrewVa wrote:In post 2416, mcqueen wrote:In post 2411, DrewVa wrote:In post 2406, BrightEyedFish wrote:DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.
I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.
Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.
FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.
Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this
Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.
I actually don’t mind that he outed it. If you’re town, why do you care? The more info the better. And if we can use the events of the Boonus round to scumread/hunt, I don’t see the issue.
How does it help you to scumhunt? BEF has basically put targets on all of our backs, so thanfully we didn’t keep the vig for ourself, or we would very likely be the NK tonight and also fortunately, ISoing us, will not help you figure out who we gifted the vig too. Thankfully BEF doesn’t have access to our confessional and the vig will remain hidden and safe.
It puts targets on all 3 of you? Cool? Alonzo’s already a townread, it doesn’t matter. If you’re town, you should worry about defending yourself today than getting killed tomorrow. BEF isn’t auto town, but from where I’m sitting, he’s headed there and you’re not
We voted Flippy and you tried to talk us out of that vote.
In post 2481, DrewVa wrote:In post 2473, mcqueen wrote:So what happened to Elsa’s vig claim? Only one person died, and the way she described it, sounded compulsive
Elsa fakeclaims as easily as he breathes and it’s entirely NAI. He had everyone in Overkill 1, convinced he was a 3P doc and in Excalibur, he fooled scum into NKing him, thinking that he was Merlin.
In post 2496, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.
In post 2506, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 2497, DrewVa wrote:In post 2496, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.
And you’ll once again be wrong, just like you were when you scumread us and faked that guilty on Hebi, in Overkill 2.
Also.
DrewVa tried to use my several fake guilties to discredit me in the BOONus round too and they were Scum there.
In post 2511, DrewVa wrote:In post 2506, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 2497, DrewVa wrote:In post 2496, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.
And you’ll once again be wrong, just like you were when you scumread us and faked that guilty on Hebi, in Overkill 2.
Also.
DrewVa tried to use my several fake guilties to discredit me in the BOONus round too and they were Scum there.
We would have also done that as town. As far as we were concerned, we were good with either both Alonzo and us winning, us winning or Alonzo winning. We didn’t really care all that much who won, so long as it wasn’t you.
In post 2540, DrewVa wrote:
It’s just so frustrating that had we been on a different wagon, we might have had a mislynch and I’m getting scumread for trying to out any useful information I can. No one who is jumping down my throat is even considering the logical scum motivation of my doing that.
In post 2606, RCEnigma wrote:In post 2595, profii wrote:In post 2581, Thanos wrote:In post 2580, BrightEyedFish wrote:tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:
Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?
No faith needed. I think the hidden votes helped a lot. I feel someone unintentionally bussed.
One one hand - I had no inkling EFN was going to be lynched - I had no feeling that he was getting votes - saying that - DrewVa said she kept it quiet and I was in a daze for most of the day-phase
On the other hand - I don’t see why scum would do this because of plurality but I guess given my perception that EFN want in danger maybe they were rigging the VCA
I think this doesn’t say much right now but a good book mark for reflection later - there is probably shenanigans afoot
About where I'm at. Wasn't around for the flip onto EFN and.....I was disappointed it wasn't Profii but his claim is townish and he's given considerably more to town today than yesterday so I'm ok with him.
My town pool is however too large to be accurate. TLK, Alonzo, and Profii are the only ones off the table. I'm sticking to Nero and Bef as town as well. The rest are swayable though.
In post 2624, Elsa Jay wrote:Wowo. A vig prize handed out to some poor soul. Atleast I know multiple people are garunteed to die tommorow.
Btw, when I said vigilante I made sure not to say what type, but yeah, it's a strongman even-night one. Wanted to see if I'd get roleblocked by scum and hopefully not actual investigatives which it would effect.
In post 2633, Emperors New Groove wrote:In post 2628, RCEnigma wrote:Yes, those would be?
You'll see.In post 2628, RCEnigma wrote:Nero was the only slot I really remember you giving any input on and even that was wishy washy. Therefore I want to know if your interest in Nero was to form a read or if you just interjected to save face.
Almost like we didn't have strong reads D1...shocker. Ari can give you more on that particular read if he wants to.
In post 2636, Emperors New Groove wrote:No.
In post 2686, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 2516, Thanos wrote:I, the great thanos, too, was in a BOONus round.
Had no idea another one took place. DrewVa must then be scum with one or both of the participants in my BOONus round. And that is worrisome because they won and I lost (which is no big deal to me as the prizes werent that great imo). But the worrisome part is that the prizes were SUPER scum beneficial. (They both got to choose one of:
- no night actions work on you
- you can choose a player to setup a neighborhood with
- cant be tracked
Now we know there are three bonus rooms. But drew claimed two. If the mod did infact say there were other gameS as they claim. Then that does not mean there is one other game. That was nothing but a scum slip. I am going to assume there was at least 1 scum in each room.
VOTE: drewva
+1
----------In post 2549, Thanos wrote:In post 2544, profii wrote:Oh I might as well claim this
I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone
There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people
Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me
And so on?
Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.
Damn. Do you know if this is just for one night like n2, or for rest of the game?In post 2583, DrewVa wrote:In post 2580, BrightEyedFish wrote:tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:
Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?
Coming from someone who faked a guilty on town, why shouldn’t everyone believe you? Stop pushing this. You were wrong about hebi and me in Overkill 2, who you also sr there too, remember?
If you are even thinking about doing to me here what you did to hebi in THIS game, I promise it won’t be pretty. So I don’t know if you’re thinking of pulling that shit here or not but I wouldn’t recommend it.
At first this post highly pinged me to be focusing so much on a single past game, until BEF decided to follow-up with a post about faking guilties in multiple games.
In post 2643, Kokichi Oma wrote:So I might just have to replace in for our hydra. Hebichan went AWOL
Lol good to have you again man!
~ P
In post 2761, Xtoxm wrote:That a is a good vote
So is ss and McQueen
Can everyone take a moment to realise how bad their last minute wagon on me was