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Post Post #42  (isolation #0)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:59 am

In post 27, Kokichi Oma wrote:I was IC and claimed it. and i got lynched as IC

speaking of IC kokichi, weren't you a scum IC in that vine-themed game?
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Post Post #62  (isolation #1)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:16 pm

Um.. erm.. insert the usual role crumb here. Imagine it something genuine, VERY POWERFUL and extremely dangerous to your faction (i.e. I want scum to think we can single-handedly eradicate their team, but also town to consider us a major threat).

~You know who it is, silly. Does Chara post like this?
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Post Post #178  (isolation #2)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:27 pm

In post 87, Varsoon wrote:@Proflavor: Could you sign your posts?


He said "woof"! That's definitely profii (the guy sitting behind his dog in his personal avatar).

I am still catching up, but Nancy's already confusing me. Her posts are definitely towny in tone, but -up to post 87- I didn't see her signature crumb. Like..

Mephistopheles is not your name
I know what you're up to just the same
I will listen hard to your tuition
You will see it come to its fruition
I'll be wrapped around your finger
I'll be wrapped around your finger




P.S. So as not to confuse anyone, this is not a crumb of our role in any way, shape or form. It's a mix or referencing how Nancy usually crumbs with videos + a joke about the hydra name

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Post Post #191  (isolation #3)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:25 pm

All caught up. Time to get us shot tonight. :P

Preliminary lynch pool (in no particular order): Shoshin the worst, Mewtaph, u r a person 2, pinturucchio, nicorobin, Kokichi Oma

Everyone else is on the positive side of null to some degree.

Disclaimer: I have not discussed any reads/reasoning with Chara yet. Thi8s preliminary list is subject to change when we do get to discuss stuff in the PT. After all, it's D1 and Chara is the one with the gift of tone reading alignments.

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Post Post #200  (isolation #4)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:14 pm

In post 197, Taly wrote:By the way, can you explain your lynch pool Almost?


I don't feel like I should at this time (i.e. before I get to talk to Chara). Once we've discussed and reached a "close to mutual" reads then I/they can post the reasoning behind the read on each slot.

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Post Post #214  (isolation #5)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:55 pm

i love hydraing with Almost. he's so good at stroking my ego. <3
i should actually read this. i'm pretty tired and unfortunately dealing with some things that are taking up more time than expected.
but i'll at least catch up before i sleep.
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Post Post #219  (isolation #6)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:34 pm

In post 43, Taly wrote::D so much opportunity to get pocketed!!

._. im gonna have to reread that playerlist movement night action stuff arent i?

not feeling the kokichi IC claim but i slight townvibe it anyway

VOTE: Almost Chara

RVS is bullshit but square up w me, both heads now

~ Taly

this post isn't AI, i just like it.
In post 136, Varsoon wrote:@Taly: Why does town keep up the schtick if it gets this much opposition either?

i think town is more likely than scum to keep with a shtick regardless of how it's viewed. i would prefer Shoshin and the worst sign, but i don't think i can make them.

for what it's worth, i think it weakens their posting overall, and it really seems like more work than the payoff warrants. but everyone has their own way of doing hydras. for me, hydraing with anyone besides Almost has not really worked out. and we do talk about our reads (and strategies, when scum), but for the most part we play independently. we've never gotten complaints about that, though, at least not that i remember.

oof, okay. not a game i can easily catch up in. but that's okay, that's on me.
but i have townreads on Taly and Varsoon. they're both preliminary.
i'm unwilling to dismiss Varsoon vs. STW as TvT, but that's my first impression of it, especially with STWs reaction. i buy Varsoon's belief in his case too.
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(i think Almost's and my posts are really easy to tell apart... it's as simple as my hatred of sentence capitalization.)
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Post Post #232  (isolation #7)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:15 am

In post 225, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:^^^ You know who the fuck this is because nancy isn't on board with this shit and I've made it clear I am. Not signing it.

Ari, i know you're trying to make a point here, but please sign your posts. not sometimes because "it's obvious", or because you said something only you would say.
for players like me, who already get easily confused when playing games due to genuine memory issues, i often can't tell who's posting anyway, or i need to expend effort to do so. it matters less if Nancy is signing every single time, and you aren't, but it takes so little effort to just do.

it means that instead of seeing the post and knowing it's you, i now i have to go and make sure it isn't just Nancy changing her mind, and i also have to remember that Nancy made the point about disliking it at all. that sounds easy, but it isn't, for me.
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Post Post #235  (isolation #8)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:20 am

oh, and i'm townreading Mephisto too. it has to do with the approach to STW vs. Varsoon, namely how Nancy (?) reacted to Varsoon's meta links and then Ari came in telling Varsoon to put his energy elsewhere for the time being.
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Post Post #239  (isolation #9)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:27 am

In post 236, Tibor and Lumia wrote:With a post like that where they name drop their hydra partner it’s pretty easy to tell, though. Unless they were being extremely weird and speaking about themselves in 3rd person.
-the irradiated gemstone

he didn't namedrop anyone in the post he was referring to, which is what i was talking about.
it's fine if you forget, of course.

and thanks, Ari. no need for the apology. <3 but it does really help. there's a reason i still sign even though Almost and i have completely different styles.
i'll stop posting about things that aren't game-related now.
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pedit: Gamma, do you have a lot of experience sorting Alchemist?
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Post Post #433  (isolation #10)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:41 pm

In post 233, Shoshin the worst wrote:Hey Gamma, nice to play with you again. Any thoughts on U2's alignment?


I can confidently assure you they're Irish aligned. :P

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Post Post #434  (isolation #11)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:45 pm

I'm liking Gamma's genuine effort in signing his posts in varying style. :lol:

~The one that does this often ^^
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Post Post #436  (isolation #12)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:48 pm

In post 237, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I apologize for being a dick and whatnot!


What's wrong with being a duck?? (Really cheap shot, I know) :twisted:

P-edit: Chara signs as Chara. Everything else is the lunatic head in the hydra (aka, moi) :lol:
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Post Post #437  (isolation #13)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:51 pm

More to it: If it looks logical then it'ss Chara. If it looks too convoluted ir moonlogicky it's A50.
If it makes you feel cool and sane it's definitely Chara. If it makes you want to bang your head against the wall and go totally bananas, it's definitely A50.
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Post Post #438  (isolation #14)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:55 pm

In post 241, Kokichi Oma wrote:Prodge


Scummy! (but that's always the case with you, I guess) *Sigh*

~The one that always SRs Koki (aka the same person as the previous 3 posts)
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Post Post #439  (isolation #15)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:02 pm

In post 253, Mewtaph wrote:it would've been somewhat entertaining if you "breadcrumbed" that you were an SK -ahem- I mean town vigilante.


That's nothing compared to the MIGHTY POWERS we have here. We are a WMD (Weapon of Mass Destruction for those unfamiliar with the abbreviation), Once we detonate EVERYONE dies (including the mod). :P
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Post Post #440  (isolation #16)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 pm

@Nephistophanes: Elemental Large <<Town!Taly (not in a hydra)
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Post Post #475  (isolation #17)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:51 am

In post 450, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Lol I stopped Por Flavor when Chara asked. I'm signing properly now!
Unlike Chara's other head, which seems like a double standard I was gonna be really snarky about but sad on for a bit so it would gcome out like this rather than really dickishly.

- Obvistophanes.

i know Almost read my post to you. i've said what i wanted to say about it, and i can't force him to do anything. i do appreciate you signing, though.

Varsoon: i did read your triple vote, i'm not sure why i didn't feel the need to comment. i also didn't believe it was real but i sort of understood it was for reactions so i left it be.

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Post Post #537  (isolation #18)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:59 pm

In post 462, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 441, pinturicchio wrote:I'm back.

Already50 is making me want to bang my head against the wall indeed.

-Turicchio


That’s just the initial reaction, further exposure makes you want to upgrade to a brick wall.

~Nancy, so A50 knows whom to be pissed at. :P


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I bet you expected this:

Spoiler:


However, I could just respond with this:

Spoiler:
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Post Post #538  (isolation #19)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:22 pm

In post 482, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'll read later sorry


Koki, I don't want to be mean, but for crying out loud, man!

~Almost 100 now that Koki's pushing his luck and testing my patience
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Post Post #568  (isolation #20)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:00 pm

i'm not sure why you expect the d1 dayvig to be believed by anyone when you just finished a fake triplevoter claim.

most of my scumreads are in empty leftover slots. or rather all of them. Varsoon's the only loud player i would consider lynching right now, and conveniently one of the players i want to be townreading the most. i'm of two minds on the matter, i think it's within scum Varsoon's wheelhouse to pick a hill to die on and survive off of that, while the focus on getting everyone's opinion on his triplevoter claim is townier. and also something i think scum Varsoon would do.
it's sort of demonstrative. the kind of spewing thought-process associated with town (usually) that i've seen scum Varsoon employ just recently.

STW's reaction to the dayvig is another very small town point for them.
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Post Post #571  (isolation #21)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:03 pm

based on Nico's meta, i'm townleaning her slot for now. slightly.
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Post Post #578  (isolation #22)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:10 pm

this is the kind of post that was written by one head.
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Post Post #579  (isolation #23)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:11 pm

In post 578, Almost Chara wrote:this is the kind of post that was written by one head.

what a post to not sign.
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Post Post #582  (isolation #24)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:17 pm

and i was referring to .

Varsoon, you feel like chatting with me some more? i didn't react to your triple vote because it just didn't register to me as something that needed it. players fakeclaim day 1 all the time.

i think STW is pretty towny. i've been reading your arguments for them to be scum (i know it isn't the signing thing) and it just isn't very convincing.
i don't find it scummy that they thought they were getting scumread for the signing thing, because other votes on them were for that reason.
i don't find it scummt that they said you were tunneling, because that's a pretty natural thing for town to think when a player they're townreading isn't letting up on a scumread as they attempt to engage.
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Post Post #584  (isolation #25)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:20 pm

In post 580, Shoshin the worst wrote:yeah, I'm willing to own that it's obvious which head is posting. still no point signing and I don't think my other head would be anything but equally as confused as I am.
secretly the capitalisation tell works on us sometimes too :shifty:

it's more like it's obvious that only one of you is posting, often.
i just don't always know who that is, as i explained to Ari earlier. i'm guessing you're ducky?

on U2 and pintu, i've read them and have no strong feelings either way. sorry for the disappointing answer. i can give your thoughts on them another look if you want.
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Post Post #600  (isolation #26)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:56 pm

In post 592, Shoshin the worst wrote:This is STW. There's no reason you can't talk to TW through this hydra and you're still tunnelling our signing thing.

you're not one person, you just have aligned reads. you can't play as one person while referencing different heads like they're different as you have been.

there is a reason. the reason is it's confusing. listen to the other players in the game.
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Post Post #601  (isolation #27)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:58 pm

In post 598, Varsoon wrote:@AlmostChara: If the thread isn't locked by the time I get home, we can jam.
I don't know why anyone's doubtcastin' the vig, since it should town-confirm me
And I get the added bonus of blowing down scum-Shoshin
A++

works for me.
and what's wrong with doubtcasting your vig? if it works you're confirmed, nobody's doubtcasting can touch you.
until it does it has as much weight as Kokichi's IC claim.
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Post Post #608  (isolation #28)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:27 pm

Wait a second!

@Varsoon: Are you saying that this "DAY"vig of yours was for real??

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Post Post #613  (isolation #29)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:54 pm

It's me (A50) though. I am not sure if you want to talk to "either" head or have something specific to discuss with Chara
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Post Post #615  (isolation #30)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:00 pm

@Varsoon: Btw, I -A50- didn't know what to think about your triple vote gambit, and I didn't care. It was going to resolve itself either way with the next VC, so I didn't feel the need to comment in it at all, but -gun to my head- I would've said it was fake. Then again, I thought the dayvig thing was also fake.

P.S. But what if the triple vote was for real? Well, I had no problem with that either since the slot was in my lynch pool if 6 anyway, and Chara had yet to show up in the hydra thread.
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Post Post #616  (isolation #31)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:03 pm

Because it strikes me as a strange modifier to include in this game. I dunno much about the flavor, but I hardly see a "day" modifier in a game based on a game!

Btw, does it end the day or not? (Usually a dayvig doesn't, but since everything is not exact;y standard in this setup I thought I'd ask).
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Post Post #617  (isolation #32)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:05 pm

Btw, I see Chara is skeptical about your alignment, and I will wait for them to explain more (either here or in the hydra PT), but my personal read on you is STRONG Town, and that's probably influenced by me modding you as Scum most recently.
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Post Post #618  (isolation #33)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:06 pm

We also played together in the first episode of this series, but I wasn't paying much attention, so that's not the main factor I'm TRing you.
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Post Post #620  (isolation #34)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:09 pm

Well, I had to forget that bit about ground units, because I wouldn't know the difference. Like, if you/anyone said they were "this unit" I wouldn't be able to tell its type unless the name was obvious (like, bombardier/helicopter is air, submarine is naval, and mortar is ground/land)
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Post Post #624  (isolation #35)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:25 pm

OK, I'll take your words for it (Varsoon & U R 2), but that's not as important to me (at least not yet since it's D1, so all I need to do is scum hunt the traditional way and leave the mechanical aspect of it to D2 and later when we do have actions/flips to work with).

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Post Post #625  (isolation #36)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:27 pm

In post 623, u r a person 2 wrote:well if it's real and it doesn't end the day, I guess I need to find a new place to vote


If it's real and doesn't end the day I'd rather wait for the flip to start working with association. Like if they're Town then it's almost a given there was 1-2 scum on the wagon when it peaked, while if they're scum I will be more suspicious of those that worked actively to dissolve the wagon.
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Post Post #723  (isolation #37)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:33 pm

@Varsoon: Could you like cool down a little? O mean, I am trying to figure things out and I have a half-baked idea that needs explanation, and I need your help.

Here goes: First and foremost I will reiterate I dunno anything about Starcraft. However, I play an online game (Ikariam) and it's a strategy/war/civilization type of a game that takes a loooooong time, and I will only address the relevant part:

In Ikari9am my land army would consist of several types of land units, as well as aerial units. The aerial units are of 2 types: Gyrocopters and Bombardiers.

Gyros are a strictly defensive units. Whenever two armies collied the Gyros would shoot at Bombers as a first priority, and if non-existent they'd shoot the enemy Gyros. If there are no Bombers/Gyros on the enemy's side my Gyros would go idle.

Bombers are an offensive unit and they target land units (artillery as first priority, then sharpshooters as a second priority and close-range units (i.e. frontliners) as a last priority.

Now applying the same concept here, I would like you to explain if there are specialized units in the game.. some that would target the specific type of action (flavor) as yours, I don't want to know your falvor nor your action flavor. I just want to know if -say- there is a type of unit in Starcraft that works similar to Gyros/Bombers in Ikariam.
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Post Post #726  (isolation #38)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:38 pm

@TWS: Could you also calm down a bit? Let's try to figure things out mechanically. Between you and Varsoon I'd say he's townier than you, but I could see you both being Town. Chara probably sees it the other way around, but I'm sure I can convince them this is Varsoon's Town game.

Som anyway.. do you have any knowledge of Starcraft?
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Post Post #729  (isolation #39)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:43 pm

In post 725, Varsoon wrote:@AlmostChara: There are definitely units in Starcraft that can only affect air or ground. The Protoss Reaver, for instance, can shoot out scarab bombs across the ground, but it can't hit flying units. Many of the zerg ground units only have claws and can't attack air units. Shuttles that fly can pick up and transport ground units. So on and so forth.


OK.. good. Now, would it be conceivable at all that someone on the list has that type of effect (targeting your type of action)? Because, when I looked at the list of today EVERYONE is between you and STW, with the exception of Michael Scott. So if ANYONE has a working ability that intercepts your specific type of action then your action will fail and STW won't know why it failed. (Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm using my imagination now)
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Post Post #730  (isolation #40)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:44 pm

In post 727, u r a person 2 wrote:in starcraft 1 there is a high ground advantage mechanic

where units firing up hill have a roughly 50% chance to miss


Oh, shit. That's another factor I could have NEVER thought of, seeing as there's no altitude factor in the game I am trying to use to figure this out.
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Post Post #731  (isolation #41)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:45 pm

Pf course, these posts were all made by A50 (Sorry I forgot to sign)
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Post Post #737  (isolation #42)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:50 pm

Unless Chara objects, I'm tentatively removing STW & UR2 from my lynch pool for today. This only leaves Mewtaph, NR, pintu & Koki as lynch candidates for this head.

Chara said they wanted to lynch someone we both agreed to, which is why I am not voting still. If Chara wants to vote in these 4, fine. If they prefer someone else they'd probably need to present me with a case in the hydra PT, which means they'd have to find the time despite of their busy schedule (Sorry, Chara).
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Post Post #738  (isolation #43)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:51 pm

@Alch: What do you think of my current lynch pool. Do you TR any of them?
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Post Post #739  (isolation #44)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:54 pm

no worries, Almost. i'll have plenty of time this weekend.

VOTE: pintu
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Post Post #744  (isolation #45)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:41 am

In short, I've been town hunting instead of scum hunting, which is an approach I like to use when I can't get explicit scum reads. Someone obv!towns and they're off the lynch pool. Someone makes a move that I could see coming from town them (but I'm not confident in that read) and they're off the pool for TODAY. I ended up with these 4 as "not having got any town vibes from", which -obviously- doesn't mean I got scum vibes off.

I've played and modded multiple times before, and I feel like he's been trying to fly under the radar for long, and is only posting when he feels like his lurking is becoming too suspicious, yet he says almost nothing. He has but one scum read in UR2, I think? Town!pintu is much more active (in terms of reads, not necessarily post count).
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Post Post #745  (isolation #46)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:41 am

And besides, Chara doesn't mind voting there either.

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Post Post #748  (isolation #47)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:15 am

@STW: I'd rather not. I'd like for scum to work extra hard to shoot my top TRs (or maybe just shoot us instead).

@Alch: Well, as I said I am not 100% on pintu, but he has also played multiple times with tw so I would be interested on tw's read on pintu.
As for Tibor, it so happens that I TR brass and am null on Gamma, while Chara is TRing Gamma and is null on brass, so that's we both have town leans on the slot and we each are TRing a different head.

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Post Post #750  (isolation #48)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:19 am

You know, I used to be GOOD at baiting the NK, but it happened so often I doubt suspect we may not be the N1 NK in this game. I mean, this is a role madness and all, so they are guaranteed to hit a TPR in us anyway, but the question is whether we are what I said we are (absolutely powerful) or a 1-shot something that does practically nothing (except moving on the list). :lol:

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Post Post #751  (isolation #49)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:21 am

@Michael Scott: You answered your own question. Any experienced player wouldn't claim Vig knowing there IS a Vig that would shoot them, except if they were @L-1 maybe (and it still would have been a bad move), and Varsoon wasn't even under pressure.
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Post Post #753  (isolation #50)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:26 am

Hmm.. took another look at the players list and I guess Gamma also knows something about pintu's play, so I would be interested in their read on him too.
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Post Post #876  (isolation #51)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:55 pm

In post 873, Alchemist21 wrote:I’m in the same boat. Everyone is either Towny or null.

we're also feeling that in our PT.
so it's time to lynch a scummy lurker. still liking Kokichi for that. (or he can activate his IC.)

the reason i shy away from a Nico lynch is because her slot is almost completely null, but slightly towny for the complaint of being replaced in so early when she didn't really want to be. as for her meta, if she was scum i believe she'd often (not every time, mind you) at least vote someone by now.
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pedit: from Varsoon's pov, he has a strong scumread and some townreads. so it's at least consistent. i'm trusting Almost's read a little here, and he has good reasons (you can ask him if you like, or i can attempt to explain though i don't have the meta he does). the other good point for Varsoon is the dayvig claim, which for me is an automatic "let him live at least for today" sort of thing.
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Post Post #881  (isolation #52)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:17 pm

In post 878, Shoshin the worst wrote:To paraphrase someone talking about another slot once
When your meta is literally not posting as town, it's pretty easy to manipulate

in Flavor's example, you have Nico trying to use her self meta as scum.
that's different from here. she could be scum, it's a very weak townlean, but there are better lurkers to go after here.
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Post Post #883  (isolation #53)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:20 pm

VOTE: Kokichi

don't need to, my only scumreads are people who aren't towntelling.
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Post Post #898  (isolation #54)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:02 pm

In post 893, u r a person 2 wrote:VOTE: nico
i dont think it's l-1 but count before you vote

shouldn't you be counting then?
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Post Post #927  (isolation #55)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:54 pm

In post 829, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Would this have something to do with the whole ordering and positioning mechanics, maybe?


That's exactly what I had in mind.

At first I thought we were being trolled by our role PM. What exactly is the benefit of having a role that can move up and down the players list? That's why I said we have a mega strong role. :lol:

Then I thought maybe some actions will be targeting "numbers" rather than players? Loke "shoot player #4" or "investigate player #11", but that didn't make much sense too.

Then it hit me when people brought up land and air units and I started thinking of the game I play, and having also played other PC games such as Dune, Red Alert, Civilization, European Wars .. etc.. and I figured special units have special effects and some have a definite range and stuff, so that's when I started thinking our role actually may have some mechanical effect (like if someone can only kill/investigate/protect the adjacent slots and we end up placing ourselves in between the source and the target?), and when Varsoon insisted it was a real Vig shot that failed on STW I voiced out the idea I had been contemplating on.

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Post Post #928  (isolation #56)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:38 pm

In post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:7. pinturucchio town


While I'm not ready to go all-in on pintu, this is the only read on your list I need to request an explanation for. Thank you.

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Post Post #929  (isolation #57)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:50 pm

In post 888, ProFlavor wrote:The last page where a load of people (inc me) have all come out and said “not really got any scum reads” makes me consider the scenario = there is a good scum player amongst the seemingly town bunch and scum are happy if we go Koki/Nico

Perhaps - could the redirect to a lurk lynch be a counter wagon to the heat on STW? In terms of no real counter wagon formed away from STW therefore scum are trying to get town to policy lynch a lurker?


Food for thought


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Oh, God! This is where profii upgrades from good.town.play to too.convoluted.thoughts.he.will.admit.were.over.the.top.post-game. :lol:
(I saw that first hand most recently) :lol:

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Post Post #930  (isolation #58)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:55 pm

@profii:

Like, I don't want to out my full read list (as in the order/strength of each TR from top to bottom) for a reason, but I can see what you're saying being the case with 2 slots.

That said I have a solid Town core of 5 slots, so scum are going to have to remove us early to prevent the town coordination we are going to lead. :P

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Post Post #931  (isolation #59)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:09 pm

@pintu: Game aside, you know I love you like a brother, right? It was never my intention to add pressure on you IRL. If that happened accidentally, then I sincerely apologize.

Back to the game: I didn't call you out "for not having SRs" per se. That would be over-simplifying it. I called you out because your posts are mostly hollow and you have no reads.

If you had given me some TOWN reads with some sort of reasoning I would not have been too suspicious (and you did now in #889, so I think I'm feeling a bit better about you).

The thing is you're one of the most underestimated skillful players I know of. People don' pay much attention to you when I know for a fact you are most capable as either alignment, so when people pass you by and dismiss you just because you appear to be lurking or "innocently" being low effort I have to be a bit wary.

Anyway, top 3 lynch candidates for me are: Nico/Koki/Mewtaph. You know Chara has a weak town lean still on Nico (I've posted something in the PT that may or may not change their mind), and Mewtaph is actually a true null (which is a bit scummy because he usually does stuff, and I have been at the receiving end of his fury as TvT before).

So, Koki is a fine vote by me for now.

Oh, and also much respect to UR2 for redeeming himself in my eyes. I would be first to acknowledge I'm stubborn and it's hard to change my mind on someone I SR early on (unless there was a mechanical reason to change that read), so UR2 managing to do just that without a mechanical reason is impressive.

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Post Post #942  (isolation #60)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:40 pm

In post 903, pinturicchio wrote:vc as vote conspiracy?


In post 905, Varsoon wrote:Victory Cream

-V


Vice Cop :P

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Post Post #945  (isolation #61)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:43 pm

In post 909, u r a person 2 wrote:this thread direction has me very concerned


I can see this in various colours

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Post Post #947  (isolation #62)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:48 pm

In post 911, u r a person 2 wrote:we've devolved into vapid conversation


Why did you feel the need to say that? I am very certain it was virtually clear.

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Post Post #949  (isolation #63)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:51 pm

In post 914, Varsoon wrote:Well you're not getting any Varsoon Credit for keeping this nonsense going

-V


Varsoon Credit is a vague concept to me. Elaborate?

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Post Post #953  (isolation #64)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:58 pm

In post 932, Taly wrote:who is mewtaph?


Someone in this game, with a total of 4 posts!

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Post Post #959  (isolation #65)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:11 pm

In post 956, Almost50 wrote:
In post 954, Taly wrote:a50, how have i been towntelling? >:


I don't remember, tbh. I mean, I could go dig it up if you insist, but it happened so early in the game that I just subbed you Town and moved on.

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In post 958, Almost50 wrote:
In post 954, Taly wrote:also, is T&L towntelling?


If that was for me, then yes.. Gamma is slightly town telling now, but I had my TR on them via brass earlier. (As usual Chara developed their TR on the slot via Gamma, as they cannot read brass reliably. It's the case with almost 80% of our reads in every game. We come to the same conclusion via totally different ways. And don't get me wrong, we do not use similar ways on the other 20%. We just do not come to the same conclusion either. :lol: ).

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Post Post #986  (isolation #66)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:32 pm

In post 980, Tibor and Lumia wrote:If someone can explain to me why Meatloaf is stuck in my head, I'd appreciate it


I'd say it's because it's cold and you're hungry.

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Post Post #1009  (isolation #67)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm

In post 1007, Alchemist21 wrote:Is Nico the same person as Jeanne11? I think I saw that somewhere a long time ago but I’m not sure.


Yes
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Post Post #1166  (isolation #68)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:22 pm

Nico's vote (i had missed it) makes me fine with a lynch on her or Kokichi.
and townhunting while voting in a PoE is entirely legitimate. i personally really dislike any suggestions that voting someone active for more info is a better idea. (in a vacuum where your reads on them are the same, of course)

if they aren't looking town, lynch. mislynches because of their play if town are going to happen anyway, it will just be later when it's more damaging.
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Post Post #1167  (isolation #69)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:23 pm

Almost wants it too.
VOTE: NicoRobin
have not looked at the Mewtaph wagon yet but i intend to.
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Post Post #1170  (isolation #70)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:23 pm

don't be anxious. go on v/la if you need it. this is a game.
if you feel you won't be able to commit going forward, no shame replacing out. especially if you're exhausted from irl.
<3
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Post Post #1171  (isolation #71)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:24 pm

forgot to add that you don't have to replace if you don't want to.
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Post Post #1184  (isolation #72)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:41 am

it wasn't a pressure wagon. it was PoE. it's true that i think i'm good at recognizing town Kokichi, but did you forget the game we played where you were scum and i misread you? why would you expect me to blindly keep treating you exactly the same way? i'm not a robot.
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Post Post #1185  (isolation #73)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:51 am

come to think of it, i also scumread you (wrongly) in Gamma's worst idea game.
i don't really think you have the meta on me to be saying things like "Chara would never vote me like this as town", let alone deciding i'm a confident scumread because i voted you for not towntelling.
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Post Post #1203  (isolation #74)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:08 am

hello and also goodnight, this is 5am Chara reporting in for shitty, shitty, tired gutreads.
not pocketed by STW, i have my eye on them. that is all. happy birthday Gamma.
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Post Post #1206  (isolation #75)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:16 am

BoP me Chara
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Post Post #1238  (isolation #76)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:37 pm

In post 1225, Kokichi Oma wrote:Lie. You always choose to wait on me even through PoE. You're just scum going for an easy lynch like you tried to in dangan maf.

in danganronpa mafia i defended you heavily until finally botching a hammer on you. the two situations are not remotrly similar.
and in the worst idea mafia, i scumread you until you were nightkilled. i've said in a few games in the past that i know how to read you and so would usually like to wait and see what you do. this isn't the case anymore and thinking it is is incredibly shallow
fix your play here or get lynched. who's scum?

i'm voting Nico.
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Post Post #1239  (isolation #77)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:38 pm

In post 1186, Shoshin the worst wrote:Regardless I feel like Chara has 50 times the clout you do in this list... If you think it's scum and wanna do something about it let's see whatcha got

how are you reading Kokichi for this?
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Post Post #1240  (isolation #78)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:42 pm

In post 1219, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 1217, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 1201, ProFlavor wrote:I thought it was fairly obvious and didn’t warrant a specific answer - no ones really going pocketing what? So I’ll leave it at that

The walking away bit might have been coincidental

The breaking out into 2 heads was the most interesting though

What do you mean about breaking into 2 heads? and what about it interests you?

I’m interested to see if the rest of the group find this note worthy so I’ll come back to this in a couple pages time

i don't find it noteworthy. i think it's an NAI result of two people trying to act as one. that's hard to do.
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Post Post #1241  (isolation #79)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:44 pm

In post 998, Alchemist21 wrote:Taly’s vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get a response from me. Mewtaph’s reason for keeping his was sketchy.

i see later that you confidently state Mewtaph is scum, and also note this as the only reason. i'm not sure if it convinces me, but Mewtaph's also in our PoE so i find myself not caring too much.
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Post Post #1247  (isolation #80)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:57 pm

it's not happening today, Varsoon. the most i can promise is that i'm keeping an eye on STW, as i said. who else are you willing to lynch?
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Post Post #1248  (isolation #81)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:01 pm

even if STW is scum i think the likelihood of the shot failing or being stopped somehow due to how far away you two are on the list is very high.
so that leaves them being your scumread. you've been trying all day and the lynch isn't happening right now.
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Post Post #1271  (isolation #82)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:53 am

In post 1250, Shoshin the worst wrote:Were kinda baffled by it. It gave brief towny daft flail energy the same way his pushback on the worst did in SCM1 (don't think it says anything about your alignment since he's half assing--just maybe his). that said it's a pretty easy lazy read to have as scum and I'm not sure it's something that doesn't occur to Kokichi naturally. I kinda feel like there should be some way I want to read this but I'm not really reading it strongly.

Do you have a spicier take?

i asked because is an interesting post. hard to explain, but the way you brought up our "clout" in the thread currently caught my attention. not that we were towny per se (and i'm aware you're townreading us) but that we were a strong presence and Kokichi had a weak one, making his chances of winning out against our towniness low. i know i'm being confusing here, but could you talk about your feelings in making that post?

now, as for my read on Kokichi: it's moved to nullish town. there's very little that scum Kokichi gets from his pushback on us there. i buy that he believes i'm lynchable as scum and thus would throw himself into it, but scum Kokichi throwing himself into the attack like this and calling me a liar just seems foolhardy. the read itself is plenty shallow however, as i've said.

looking forward to Mewtaph's reasoning for us being scum!
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Post Post #1273  (isolation #83)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:58 am

In post 1264, Mewtaph wrote:On AC: They aren't a town read and I'm much more interested in exploring where Kokichi is going with this rather than discarding what he's saying completely and toss him into the "ML and ignore" pile. A50 has been notably "muted" in presence compared to what I expect from him in other games, so if someone has a chip on the Chara head then I'm willing to roll with a wagon on them.

oh, it's here.
Mewtaph, i replied to Kokichi's assertions earlier. (he isn't correct. we recently finished a game together where he replaced into a towny slot and through inactivity i ended up scumreading him.)
there's no way to "wait and sort" Kokichi like he says i do every single time when he's town (i don't) if he is barely playing to begin with.

Almost is busy. is that just a general comment, or are you saying it's AI?
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Post Post #1275  (isolation #84)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:02 am

In post 1228, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Have you read their ISO? They are like super obvtown here.

i'm assuming this is Nancy (but why aren't you signing?)
why are we obvtown? for someone besides you i would agree, but in our last game together it took a while for you to get to townreading me, and i feel like i've been doing a lot less this game.
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Post Post #1277  (isolation #85)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:05 am

one of those posts is just a vote. another of them is telling someone she thinks your ISOs in two games look different. a third is stating two TRs as bad wagons.
how are any of these sophisticated enough to be "constraining original thought process"? saying... words isn't shutting down conversation.
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Post Post #1280  (isolation #86)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:09 am

In post 1276, Mewtaph wrote:I think him opening with a vote on you and pushing on it based on something you did qualifies as playing the game.

As far as Almost being busy, sure, but I need more from him because he's the head I am most equipped to try to read.

he's playing the game now. i mentioned i was townreading him for that now, in fact. Kokichi's beef (that you seemed interested in looking into) involves that i didn't wait and see with him, which i did because he was a good PoE wagon with a large portion of the active game towntelling.
past tense.
in those games where i did, i had the sense he would make himself be readable. was not the case here.

try reading me. i've never played with you before in a strong enough capacity to remember how you play, but that doesn't mean i can't try to read you.
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Post Post #1283  (isolation #87)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:13 am

In post 1279, ProFlavor wrote:Yeah, I’m looking for a reason, but Mewtaph just seems like town to me.

~FL

you talked about why you don't think the reasons for Mewtaph scum are good (fair), but why is he seeming town for you?

and unrelated to your Mewtaph read: a lot of ProFlavor's posts have been pinging me hard. it's entirely gut and i'm trying to figure out why. especially since Almost has a very strong townread on the slot, so it's possible my gut is full of it. i was wondering if you had an opinion, FL?
i recognize that the above question is a very silly one, but i can assure you it's asked in good faith.
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Post Post #1285  (isolation #88)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:16 am

In post 1281, Mewtaph wrote:Ok Chara, do you agree with this?

not really, i can't think of another way for town to really respond. what would you expect? why would scum reply like this?

unless you're suggesting that this response indicates that STW did know why the shot failed and is lying about it?
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Post Post #1288  (isolation #89)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:22 am

hm.
alright, i'm tired now but tomorrow i'll look at the whole thing in context again. night.
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Post Post #1327  (isolation #90)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:02 pm

i finally, finally, understand what Mewtaph is saying about Alchemist with respect to those two posts.
i think there have been some issues with word choice/communication that have made something simple seem a lot more complicated than it was.

i'm agreeing with the Mewtaph townread, though it's not that strong. don't feel like lynching him today. my reasons are essentially the same as Varsoon's.
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Post Post #1332  (isolation #91)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:25 pm

i don't know of a better way to explain it.
the issue isn't a lack of logic between those two Alchemist posts (which is what i thought Mewtaph was saying for a while). it has to do with Mewtaph thinking the thought process from Alch is made up and explaining why he doesn't find it genuine. and that it's a strange read to come out with at the time Alch did.

i don't actually find this behaviour from Alch to be scummy, but i understand what Mewtaph is thinking.

unrelated: is your avatar Roxas, Mewtaph?
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Post Post #1333  (isolation #92)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:13 pm

In post 1276, Mewtaph wrote:As far as Almost being busy, sure, but I need more from him because he's the head I am most equipped to try to read.


My friend.. >I< am not equipped enough to read myself. :lol:

So, what do you want to talk about?

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Post Post #1334  (isolation #93)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:15 pm

Also, I have been here for like 3 days and you weren't. Now I get my share of real life responsibilities, but I'm sure I can spare a few minutes for you if you have something specific to discuss.

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Post Post #1335  (isolation #94)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:16 pm

Actually, 101/2 :P
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Post Post #1336  (isolation #95)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:22 pm

In post 1264, Mewtaph wrote:On AC: They aren't a town read and I'm much more interested in exploring where Kokichi is going with this rather than discarding what he's saying completely and toss him into the "ML and ignore" pile. A50 has been notably "muted" in presence compared to what I expect from him in other games, so if someone has a chip on the Chara head then I'm willing to roll with a wagon on them.


A50 doesn't always talk much, and certainly not in a hydra. I have my time to speak, time to sit aside and watch, and even time to actually ignore the thread completely. That's the point of having a hydra partner to carry you when you're attending to other stuff in life.

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Post Post #1381  (isolation #96)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:56 pm

hey STW, i'll answer in a second, but i've been wondering why you're townreading us so much. i think you said earlier why (even if i don't remember), but are you paranoid of our slot at all?
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Post Post #1382  (isolation #97)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:58 pm

In post 1378, Shoshin the worst wrote:VOTE: Kokichi
If this greens I'll reconsider AC
Otherwise I'm treating them as basically hard town

um. why does town Kokichi make you reconsider me? his meta is incorrect and i've explained why, but misapplying meta isn't exclusive to scum.
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Post Post #1384  (isolation #98)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:02 pm

In post 1376, Shoshin the worst wrote:I get where he's coming from wrt Alchemist but I'm still not sure where he sees scum!Alchemist. There's too much "matching reasons to conclusion" energy. Am I biased or is it genuinely pretty abstract?

actually i can just answer this. i don't think you're biased. mewtaph is being really hard to understand here, to me, but his reasoning is sort of off the wall enough that it's hard for me to scumread.

and back to Kokichi again: if he's town he isn't playing well, for sure. i found his lack of reply to my pointing out that i failed to catch him as scum recently, and that i incorrectly scumread town him, to be pretty disappointing.

i still like Nico for scum, but jjh is more readable so i'll see what his catchup brings.
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Post Post #1394  (isolation #99)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:53 pm

it's a foolish one if so (not that i'm discounting your interpretation).
what's pretty bizarre to me is the belief that Kokichi's alignment has anything to do with mine here, as though his bad meta read on me has credence provided he's town.

but Leaf, do you think STW decides to have their cake and eat it too, by which i mean continuing to have us as strong town while also trying to lynch someone i don't want to lynch, and leave us open as a target on later days?

and thanks for the answer, Nancy.
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Post Post #1397  (isolation #100)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:58 pm

that's Alchemist, his avatar is Roy Mustang from Fullmetal Alchemist.
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Post Post #1428  (isolation #101)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:36 pm

In post 1423, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:A) He seems very different here, than in last game.

B) I don’t buy his read on Alchemist.

C) Weirdass Gamma question, made to look like he was actually asking something useful when he clearly wasn’t.

D) Advocating stupid PL, which is 9/10 a scum move when it isn’t based on anything which adversely impacts the gamestate.

E) Mew’s entire reaction to his wagon, isn’t townie. He reacted extremely different to it last game.

i think there are problems when it comes to directly comparing only two games and seeing a difference, and concluding it must mean there's a different alignment involved instead of some other factor.
it's the same problem that i think could have resulted in Kokichi's read on me.

did Mewtaph ever say why he wanted to PL you?
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Post Post #1431  (isolation #102)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:37 pm

In post 1427, ProFlavor wrote:YeH, but I’m the only resistance here.

And I know I’m town.

hold on, i'm not defending Mewtaph as much as you are, but i'm certainly here saying i don't want him lynched.
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Post Post #1434  (isolation #103)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:40 pm

at the risk of sounding dumb, who is Bono?
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Post Post #1437  (isolation #104)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:43 pm

In post 1435, ProFlavor wrote:I could care less about that right now. Mewtaph is the towniest person in this game right now.

a little hyperbolic. i completely understand scumreads in Mewtaph.

i'm also feeling rather apologetic to Varsoon for asking him to direct his attention to somewhere besides STW, and then now finding myself a little suspicious of them.
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Post Post #1447  (isolation #105)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:52 pm

In post 1428, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 1423, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:did Mewtaph ever say why he wanted to PL you?
~Chara


additionally, i also don't find calling PL with no reason to be that scummy, because town do it too.
and your strong reaction to it seems to have more to do with the fact it was on your slot. much like how you reacted to Gamma mentioning a scumread on you during the endgame of Excalibur.
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Post Post #1451  (isolation #106)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:54 pm

at the risk of sounding like an absolute asshole, i'd like you to reconsider how much you've mentioned the PL thing. it's a lot more than Mewtaph has mentioned it. (he did so once and never pursued it.)
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Post Post #1455  (isolation #107)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:57 pm

In post 1451, Almost Chara wrote:at the risk of sounding like an absolute asshole, i'd like you to reconsider how much you've mentioned the PL thing. it's a lot more than Mewtaph has mentioned it. (he did so once and never pursued it.)
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this is actually incorrect now that i think about it properly. he did push the angle a lot. sorry Nancy. :<

regardless i still think my original point about how the read isn't that scummy, and your problem is that he advocates to lynch you specifically.
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Post Post #1639  (isolation #108)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:17 am

In post 1636, Varsoon wrote:There's literally less than 24 hours left.

We just aren't going to see eye to eye on STW.
That's okay.
I'll just shoot them tomorrow.

-V

shooting them tomorrow would be a waste of your shot until you know why it failed.
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Post Post #1641  (isolation #109)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:21 am

low info lynches: Koki yes, i think Mewtaph is higher info.
not sure if Almost will have time to return and give me some direction here before day's end, so i'll have to make the decision myself.

with STW i don't find the case that convincing, but i'm undoubtedly paranoid of how it feels like they're trying to play the room, and that they keep talking about how town we are and simultaneously mentioning that they could flip on us once we're out of PoE to lynch.
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Post Post #1646  (isolation #110)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:43 am

the mod edited it twice, not 2 times.

the playerlist order as it pertains to the game is further down. as far as i can remember you've always been at the top with Varsoon at the bottom.
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Post Post #1647  (isolation #111)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:43 am

*not 22 times.
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Post Post #1648  (isolation #112)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:45 am

In post 5, Krazy wrote:GAME START PLAYER ORDER -- RANDOMIZED

1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra)
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra)
3. Mewtaph
4. u r a person 2
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra)
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra)
7. pinturucchio
8. nicorobin
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra)
10. Kokichi Oma
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra)
12. alchemist21
13. Taly
14. Varsoon

Votecount 1.1


Not Voting (14): Shoshin the worst(0), Varsoon(0), Mephistophanes 39(0), Almost Chara(0), Michael Scott(0), Kokichi Oma(0), Tibor and Lumia(0), NicoRobin(0), Mewtaph(0), Alchemist21(0), ProFlavor(0), u r a person 2(0), pinturicchio(0), Taly(0)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:05:05)


FLAVOR

i wish this was in the first post, because that order is static and this one appears to be the one that will matter.

Kokichi, you need to play the game too.
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Post Post #1652  (isolation #113)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:53 am

In post 1650, Michael Scott wrote:Original and latest positions. I think each of the 20-ish times was a change in positions. We need to observe what causes a change there. Votes? Hmm.

~Jimothy

post 5 is a different list, edited twice. it was randomized at the beginning of the game.
the playerlist in the first post is the signup order. nothing's changed.
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Post Post #1656  (isolation #114)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:01 am

i actually had thought the first post was the starting order, i think until Almost pointed it out early on in our PT.

Varsoon, does this make you think any different about what we said regarding STW not necessarily being the cause of your failure? if movements are a mechanic in the setup i would expect being far away makes acting hard, somehow.
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Post Post #1657  (isolation #115)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:05 am

i'd thought you were just ignoring that and had gone back to saying it had to be STW's fault specifically, especially when you said their townflip would give you that info.

by the way, i agree that Michael Scott is town.
voting STW over Kokichi due to paranoia feels wrong somehow. Kokichi isn't playing well but i don't think it necessarily means he's scum. and i'm aware that the worst tends to be pocket-y as town, too.

having three options is even worse than having two. i need to come up with less reasons to townread those two and Mewtaph and figure out which is most likely scum. i do think Kokichi might be best lynch for the long run?
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Post Post #1658  (isolation #116)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:13 am

but a scum lynch is better, so if STW or Mewtaph is scum that's still a mistake, to lynch Koki.

in STW says they're no longer paranoid of us as a townread. in their most recent list we're at the very bottom of townreads, and once again we're the first townread they're wrong on.
1218 is the anomaly here to me, like they didn't want to say they were paranoid of us after talking about how towny we were, but in their next list we go back to where they'd "slotted" us.

maybe i'm making a mountain out of a molehill (and could be biased because the read is on us specifically), but this feels less like read progression and more like scum deciding where reads need to be.
i should actually track the rest of their reads but this is unfortunately the one i remember the best.

is a post i don't find AI but really identify with.
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Post Post #1722  (isolation #117)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:29 pm

In post 1708, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Thank you for this. Between Chara and MS, I was beginning to question my very valid problem with that.

why do i keep getting brought up with MS even when i've removed myself from that conversation on purpose?
if it'll keep this from happening constantly anymore: i thought about what you said and you're right that i shouldn't be telling you how you're thinking.
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Post Post #1757  (isolation #118)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:35 pm

In post 1730, Michael Scott wrote:How is this related to the scumminess of Mew's reasons to want to lynch Nancy, Chara? That was what she seemed to be talking about in that context.

it's not related to that, but i think i was right to think Nancy was referring to how both of us were saying her reasoning was due to her being biased. the point is the message went through to Nancy that i had reconsidered on that based on her posts.

as for the scumminess of Mew's reasons, i've said i don't find them that scummy, though it's fine that Nancy disagrees.
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Post Post #1775  (isolation #119)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:57 pm

In post 1759, Shoshin the worst wrote:Chara, why jjh?

why? it's Nico slot. i'm not sure if he'll be the lynch today though, and i don't mind getting more AI info out of him.
planning on moving my vote but the "where" is the problem for me.
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Post Post #1777  (isolation #120)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:01 pm

townread on Taly has gotten a little stale, speaking of.
hopefully we can explore that tomorrow.
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Post Post #1780  (isolation #121)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:08 pm

VOTE: Kokichi Oma
he can do better and hasn't. i've decided being bad isn't good enough when i've seen him have much higher-level thinking, regardless of how right or wrong it is. the read on me is very ballsy and i townread it, but it's also incredibly shallow and could be forced.
STW i need more time on. sorry Varsoon. (conditional apology that only applies if they're scum.)
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Post Post #1794  (isolation #122)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:19 pm

i don't hate the jjh lynch at all (in fact it might be my second preference after all) but i want to see him catch up. i think a contentful dead scum is more useful than a contentless one. and jjh could also end up town.

Kokichi is definitely being lynchbaity, but in the game where he was scum he was also not playing that strongly and we all kind of let him coast. i don't like to directly compare 1 game because meta isn't really like that, but it's enough that i'm not comfortable dismissing him as lynchbait.

this is either lazy Kokichi or scum Kokichi, because town Kokichi is a completely different kind of lynchbait. by that i mean he's fun.
if this is lazy Kokichi, i don't feel bad about the mislynch. and i believe he has a better than random chance of being scum due to how he's seemed 100% confident in every stance he's taken so far.
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Post Post #1796  (isolation #123)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:21 pm

i also don't think Kokichi's bad, for the record. i realize being lynchbaity had a negative connotation but i've enjoyed a lot of games with him. more accurate would be "can attract negative attention".
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Post Post #1797  (isolation #124)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:26 pm

I just came in to say I am following the game still (but not to the tiniest details, mind you) and I fully embrace the Kokichi lynch.

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Post Post #1804  (isolation #125)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:33 pm

In post 1525, jjh927 wrote:If you want to meta Nico then do so with the understanding that I replaced in on the slot because she didn't scumtell somewhere I would very much expect one and I like town games. Nico lurking isn't particularly AI ever, especially not now as I believe she's got some IRL stuff.

Otherwise, I have an hour lecture in 15 minutes and then I'll sort some other shit out, and then I will catch up on this game.

i sort of believe this from jjh, that he tried to meta Nico before replacing in.
but this whole post is sort of saying "if i could have chosen my alignment, i would choose town."
the problem is he didn't actually get to choose, he had to make a decision based on very limited meta. Nico isn't exactly an easy player to read unless you really get her talking, which isn't possible in most circumstances and certainly wasn't for jjh here.

i wish we could have seen more before we're down to the wire, because i think this slot has a really good chance of flipping scum, but i don't know how i feel about lynching a slot that just got replaced and could still produce content.
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Post Post #1818  (isolation #126)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:42 pm

In post 1813, Shoshin the worst wrote:Me too but I genuinely don't think Eraserhead is a lynch we can pull here.

if they're scum they're not getting lynched at deadline like this, no.
Almost and i are split to extremes on ProFlavor right now, hopefully tomorrow we can give more.
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Post Post #1819  (isolation #127)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:48 pm

ProFlavor is one of those players i hope is town, rather than townread. :lol:

i remember the one time i faced scum Boon, upon realizing he was scum my reaction was to be daunted by what would be required to actually lynch him. and that wasn't with firsthand experience with him.

not really relevant here, but fond memories are fond.
profii i unfortunately don't know too well.
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Post Post #1821  (isolation #128)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:52 pm

hey Pintu!
how are things?
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Post Post #1846  (isolation #129)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:39 pm

In post 1838, ProFlavor wrote:Pint seems more focussed

A50 seems less silly but that might be the hydra influence

i'm liking both pint's catchup and his timing (especially the timing) a lot.
Almost is pretty silly in hydra too. sometimes less so because he doesn't tend to make any big plays without asking my opinion first.
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Post Post #1851  (isolation #130)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:42 pm

In post 1845, Shoshin the worst wrote:yeah Taly's flitting this game hasn't been as towny as it normally is

Chara I'd be keen to see your thoughts too--you townread him in supp2017 before TW realised he had to follow suit.

i can't seem to remember what alignment Taly was in supp right now. was i correct or incorrect, and what do you mean by ducky following suit?
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Post Post #1859  (isolation #131)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:54 pm

In post 1854, Shoshin the worst wrote:You were right on Taly being town.
Ducky was scum, and when you townread Taly he read over his ISO and realised it was correct play to agree with your townread.

do you ever go back and read a game, and think 'damn, look how decisive i was in this towngame. what happened?'
i'm so afraid of being wrong now that it's hurting all of my games, and my reads.
i plan to roll up my sleeves and find a good read on Taly. tomorrow will give me more time for that, but at the risk of being murdered, i might just do it now.
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Post Post #1872  (isolation #132)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:10 pm

why are you townreading Kokichi, profii?
we have maybe 8 hours left. i'll be around until deadline but for now i'm catching my bus home.
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it's a fair townread from me, pin. i just think your catchup and tone have been very on point.
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Post Post #1880  (isolation #133)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:18 pm

oh and, preliminary Taly reread says it's still town Taly. being very concerned about the gamestate as a whole and pushing back against what amounts to the entire thread are both towny traits. obligatory Chara has never seen scum Taly to its memory.

however, a scum jjh would lead to Taly as a good partner candidate, and vice versa. but that's conditional and Taly disliking lurker lynches as town is not a surprising stance.

if Taly flips town at any point, i think this series of pages and the Taly scumreads expressed here would become very interesting due to their timing.

@anybody reading back our ISO upon death: hi! thanks for being diligent.
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Post Post #1885  (isolation #134)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:26 pm

VOTE: STW
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Post Post #1890  (isolation #135)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:26 pm

In post 1885, Almost Chara wrote:VOTE: STW
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this was me. don't know where my head was at. (literally? :>)
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Post Post #1891  (isolation #136)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:27 pm

oh, we have 24 hours! hi Creature.
VOTE: Kokichi
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Post Post #1969  (isolation #137)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:03 pm

Mephisto is one of my strong townreads, based entirely on Nancy.
i dislike any votes that aren't on Kokichi or STW. because less than 24 hours.
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Post Post #1971  (isolation #138)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:04 pm

In post 1939, Shoshin the worst wrote:VOTE: ProFlavor

why not Koki?
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Post Post #2089  (isolation #139)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:02 pm

we need a lynch. we have 7 hours left.
is STW at L-2?
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Post Post #2096  (isolation #140)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:06 pm

In post 2091, Creature wrote:Why are we even lynching Shoshin?

because we have 7 hours left and town doesn't want to lynch Kokichi.
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Post Post #2100  (isolation #141)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:09 pm

VOTE: STW
that's L-1.
honestly don't mind lynching PF instead.
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Post Post #2104  (isolation #142)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:13 pm

In post 2102, Creature wrote:
In post 2096, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 2091, Creature wrote:Why are we even lynching Shoshin?

because we have 7 hours left and town doesn't want to lynch Kokichi.
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Why would we lynch Kokichi?

ISO.
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Post Post #2150  (isolation #143)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:05 pm

she flaked here too, she didn't request replacement.

also i was right about Taly being scum because
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Post Post #2153  (isolation #144)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:06 pm

In post 2150, Almost Chara wrote:she flaked here too, she didn't request replacement.

also i was right about Taly being scum because

*was right about Tay being town because Creature is town. haha.

and Mephisto is really really town. mislynches don't matter if the coalition is big enough!
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Post Post #2266  (isolation #145)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:59 pm

UNVOTE:

Now they're both @L-1.

Sorry, Chara.. but I think both these wagons are on Town.

@Varsoon: I know you don't trust Shoshin. Well, guess what? Neither do I. I am just not feeling Scum!duck here. I would rather not lynch between the two leading wagons.

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Post Post #2275  (isolation #146)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:04 pm

I obviously meant both @L-2 in #2266.

@Nancy: I said it before. Koki & jjh are my preferred wagons. I don't see us lynching either in the remaining time, so I'm just going to try and force a no lynch here.
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Post Post #2281  (isolation #147)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:06 pm

In post 2268, pinturicchio wrote:I agree with his wagonomics


In post 2268, pinturicchio wrote:his wagonomics


In post 2268, pinturicchio wrote:wagonomics



Oh, N_M! Where art thou!
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Post Post #2287  (isolation #148)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:10 pm

In post 2277, Varsoon wrote:WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT A NO LYNCH ON D1?!?!


Because I don't like eother of the top 2 wagons. I genuinely believe this is Flavor's Town game, and I also fail to see any sign of scum!tw play here.

I totally understand your feelings, but I also genuinely think your read is subconsciously affected by the previous game.

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Post Post #2306  (isolation #149)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:20 pm

i think Varsoon should have just claimed that once it became obvious everybody was TRing him. this close to deadline it just doesn't feel like a real claim.
that said, we aren't no lynching.
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Post Post #2316  (isolation #150)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:23 pm

In post 2295, Kokichi Oma wrote:i really want STW lynched, but no lynch is shit.

VOTE: Pro

what did i miss that made STW suddenly not the top wagon, and made you move your vote?
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what else do you want me to do Varsoon? i'm lynching STW here.
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Post Post #2319  (isolation #151)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:26 pm

and what i'm annoyed at is you had a hard guilty and you spent this whole time yelling that nobody was listening, when you could have just outed this and everybody would have followed you. of course i'm going to be skeptical that you had a hard guilty and didn't out it the last time we were close to deadline. and yes i know mechanics don't make this technically a full guilty but it sure does make STW a great lynch, and it's close enough.
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Post Post #2320  (isolation #152)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:26 pm

In post 2318, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:L-1 now on Stw.

I just don’t see why scum pulls this sort of gambit. I mean they could have easily been quicklynched like it happnee numerous times last game.

what gambit?
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Post Post #2321  (isolation #153)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:27 pm

In post 2295, Kokichi Oma wrote:i really want STW lynched, but no lynch is shit.

VOTE: Pro


Talk about scum claims and wanting to lynch anyone. BOTH LEADING WAGONS ARE TOWN I TELL YOU, PEOPLE. KOKICHI IS SCUM.

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Post Post #2322  (isolation #154)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:27 pm

Nancy, please unvote.
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Post Post #2324  (isolation #155)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:28 pm

In post 2317, jjh927 wrote:Eh Varsoon claim makes sufficient sense, is the kind of thing I would anticipate when the mod says there's a role similar to a town vig (ie not a classic vig), and hammering would let me focus on how attentional research topics are relevant to a news article of my choice

Did anyone else claim vig or do I just hammer here

if you don't hammer, i will. just wasn't going to do so until i'd given Almost a heads up because it would definitely feel wrong to go completely against his wishes.
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Post Post #2328  (isolation #156)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:29 pm

In post 2323, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:No one is doubting Varsoon is vig but I still don’t understand, how them not dying makes them scum?

Seriously, I really don’t?

Varsoon's shot works on town and fails on scum. it's sort of negative utility but he can use it like a risky cop because of that. that's his claim.
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Post Post #2334  (isolation #157)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:31 pm

@Varsoon: I'd go with option #1 (SCUM stopped the kill using a passive ability that is reliant on position on the list" based on my "not-so-detailed" conversation with the mod about my theory. It's more of a guess than a confirmed fact though, so there's that.

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Post Post #2336  (isolation #158)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:31 pm

Varsoon, i want to be clear that the only reason i expressed doubt in your claim was because the thought of you willingly holding back a guilty as your tore your hair out over getting the entire town to listen to you on STW was more fantastical to me than you inventing the addition to the role.
but i believe you now.
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Post Post #2352  (isolation #159)  » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:39 pm

I am fairly disappointed, but I will wait for the mod to confirm the flip before I say anything (if we make it through the night, that is).

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Post Post #2372  (isolation #160)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:30 am

In post 2371, Chara wrote:
In post 2369, jjh927 wrote:Hey I wanted #7 and now I'm stuck on #8 what is this

someone moved above you.
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Post Post #2373  (isolation #161)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:32 am

In post 2368, Creature wrote:VOTE: Varsoon

Varsoon isn't scum.


Varsoon: i want you to use your shot on a consensus. was i right that you were lying, or did your shot fail for another reason (like playerlist order.)
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Post Post #2381  (isolation #162)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:37 pm

@Varsoon: I think we need to resolve the hard-to-read slots. Like, if you shoot in pintu/jjh that should (a) resolve a slot that's a bit hard to read, and (b) exclude 2 players (down) or 3 (up) from being the slot responsible for blocking your shot on D1.

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Post Post #2382  (isolation #163)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:10 pm

Actually, I want you to shoot pintu. He moved "further away" from your original slot. That's gives me the impression he wanted to be as far as possible from you, maybe?

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Post Post #2385  (isolation #164)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:21 pm

On fact, forget about jjh. His move towards the middle is NOT scum indicative. He was already there and he didn't move to gain any advantage, so he is unlikely to have a killing ability and -also- doesn't look afraid of being shot either.

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Post Post #2386  (isolation #165)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:22 pm

In post 2384, Kokichi Oma wrote:VOTE: varsoon


Of course you can also shoot Kokichi who is right next to you, so nothing can stop the shot. He either dies or is confirmed as scum and we lynch him.

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Post Post #2388  (isolation #166)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:22 pm

This is a THEMED game. By definition, you should expect some newly invented/tailored roles. Do you think there's a role in the wiki that "moves on the player list"??
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Post Post #2390  (isolation #167)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:00 pm

i don't want pintu shot, he's one of the town i'm using for PoE.
i think the hypothesis of there being scum in the way is correct, so Varsoon shouldn't be trying to shoot someone so far away anyway, all it would tell us if the shot failed is to be slightly more suspicious of u2, MS, and PF. (and pintu himself, of course)

in fact, i don't know if scum would actually run from Varsoon over using their positioning some other way, such as nightkills/scum actions. (but that's just a guess) it's a very public action, and if they were truly scared i think they would have just killed Varsoon.

jjh is a great shot, though he's a little far. so is Kokichi.
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Post Post #2397  (isolation #168)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:05 pm

In post 2383, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 2378, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2373, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 2368, Creature wrote:VOTE: Varsoon

Varsoon isn't scum.


Varsoon: i want you to use your shot on a consensus. was i right that you were lying, or did your shot fail for another reason (like playerlist order.)


I'm cool doing consensus since it's obvious that I'm not the greatest judge of who is scum or not in this game.

@STW: Sorry for confbiasing on your slot; you were legitimately hard-scum to me and your dodginess and survivalistic approach combined with how many counterwagons were proposed in BOTH our Deadline-within-24-hours got me real tilted to reading you as scum.

Anyway, I think Kokichi needs to confirm as town or rescind the IC claim.


um what?

Kokichi isn't IC.
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Post Post #2398  (isolation #169)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:07 pm

In post 2396, u r a person 2 wrote:and he didn't burrow or get in a bunker

and none of the others are just passive blocking via being in the way

im just saying i don't think we should get too committed to the idea that scum or a certain town role in the middle of varsoon and his shot is what affected or will affect it

let's assume movement actually has a reason to be in this game.
and then we can extrapolate from there to say that it's probably a good idea to be closer to the thing you want to affect. otherwise, is there a point?
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Post Post #2407  (isolation #170)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:59 pm

Well, how about we all announce what we submitted in regards to movement on the list? We start by Varsoon (bottom of the list of D1, so is the one resolves LAST) and go backwards to see who may fail to explain their movement (or the motive behind it).

So, @Varsoon: Which option did you pick of the 4 provided by the mod in #?

Then Creature then Alch and so on.

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Post Post #2409  (isolation #171)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:18 pm

OK.. now please follow the others' responses. You know how many specific notches you requested to move up, but DO NOT REVEAL IT NOW. You can then verify everyone's been telling the truth when everyone has claimed.

@Creature/@Alch: Whichever of you sees this first, please tell us what option did you use to move on the list and how much slots (if the format required such specification) as well as WHY you did it. Thanks you

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Post Post #2411  (isolation #172)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:23 pm

i think a good number of scum are in jjh/Kokichi/u2/MS/Mewtaph because i'm townreading everyone else. except ProFlavor but Almost has that one.
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Post Post #2413  (isolation #173)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:31 pm

Cool. Creature's turn then (and knowing him we probably will get the response in the next 72 hours, so T & L can answer too)

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Post Post #2415  (isolation #174)  » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:42 pm

Right. My bad. Creature still needs to reveal his submission, and we have Koki summoned to the stand next then Pro then jjh.

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Post Post #2425  (isolation #175)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:45 am

VOTE: Creature

Obviously, our friend who hates rolling scum has tried to look like being active with no real content, but when faced by a simple task such as providing some info he opted to avoid this thread like a plague while actively posting everywhere else.

To make matters worse, he parked his vote on the one confirmed townie in the game before he left. Yikes.

Koki & ProFlavor can claim their movement submissions if they please. Thanks you.

P.S. I did check Creature's activity earlier and although he did post elsewhere by then I gave him slack to come here eventually. I checked again now and he added a whole bunch of posts all over the site (18 posts to be exact, in 3 different threads, the last of which was about 2 hours ago).

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Post Post #2458  (isolation #176)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:28 pm

Forgive me if I had missed it, but everyone can now claim their positioning action.

Michael Scott?
Mew?
u r 2?
AC? >>>> We moved 6 slots down the list
pintu?
jjh?
Koki?
Creature?

@ProFlavor: You don't fully understand the argument for Varsoon being comfirmed. The MOD had COMFIRMED .. UNPROMPTED that there will be a "role similar to Town-Vig" in this game.

In post 1, Krazy wrote:There will be a role similar to a town-aligned vigilante in this game


Varsoon claimed this role. Did anyone else CC? Nope. So the role does exist (mod said it does) and only one player can be it (unless a Vig exists, tried to shoot Varsoon and failed, and still didn't bother claiming!!)

As for why the shot has been blocked, I did offer an explanation. Something anti-something. Since I don't know the game itself I can't specify exactly, but there are certain defensive mechanics that block certain offensive actions. Like, om so many games there are anti-air defenses to shoot down jet fighters but they do not affect tanks. Submarines that will sink ships but not attack aerial/ground units.

Also, both of you has seen Scum!V most recently. One was even on his team (so interacted with Scum!V in the Mafia PT), so chill. Varsoon is TOWN.

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Post Post #2469  (isolation #177)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:26 pm

In post 2464, Varsoon wrote:So this is where I shoot ProFlavor?


I mean, you obviously should do what you want to, but if you need some friendly advice I'd say Koki, jjh & Creature are all better shots.

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Post Post #2479  (isolation #178)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:25 pm

Preliminary movement analysis suggests Mewtaph is the Scum protective. No idea if he protects adjacent slots (say 2 up & down) or intercepts the action (i.e. Varsoon's action fails if Mew is between him and his target). Also no idea if Mew also self protects (I would expect him to, but no guarantees).

Creature is scum who moved up to make sure he was close to Mew (just in case someone moved down between them).

Notice that Mew must have always ended above Alch (who says he didn't move) so our move (6 down) could have put us between Mew and Creature if we decided to go down 7 instead of 6.

Anyway, Koki appears to have not moved, but he said he wanted to get as close to the middle as possible. Well, the strange thing is HE IS at the middle (5 above & 6 below is as close as it gets with 12 alive). I imagine what he meant was he wanted to be closer to Mewtaph, but the massive movement from above him downwards messed it up.

I also considered jjh for the protector and Creature just moving up towards him, but then Koki would have no reason to complain as he is as far from jjh as Creature is.

Of course this is all A50 moon!logic production, so feel free to put it to test or ignore completely.

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Post Post #2481  (isolation #179)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:50 pm

I will repeat: For those who have yet to claim how many slots they moved, or if they use "as close to # as possible" or "towards player X", please do. I no longer need it to be in any particular order. I just need to confirm a couple of details. Thank you.

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Post Post #2482  (isolation #180)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:51 pm

In post 2480, Varsoon wrote:ProFlavor, are you roleblocking me?


Did you try to shoot already? Or are you speculating preemptively?

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Post Post #2488  (isolation #181)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:52 pm

In post 2487, u r a person 2 wrote:i am also good with the kochiki shot

I moved up last night btw. I didn't put much thought into it, but not moving didn't occur to me, so I just moved up.


How many slots precisely, please?

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Post Post #2490  (isolation #182)  » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:55 pm

Cool.

@Michael Scott: How many slots did you intend to move down?

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Post Post #2494  (isolation #183)  » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:29 am

please do catch up, jjh! because right now i'd like to lynch you. :>
i'll let Almost take care of the mechanical things.
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Post Post #2508  (isolation #184)  » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:57 pm

To me, the case on Creature is he "tried" to post more. He can sometimes do that (as scum) when the game offers him no pressure, but as soon as there's a relative chance he might "slip" is any way he stops posting, and that's what he did here. Creature did not "flake the site" either. He is pretty much active all over the place, and has been logging in 2-3 times a day regularly, but he is avoiding this thread in particular which is 100% his scum meta.

I am not even using my pkayerlist movement analysis which also indicates Creature is scum with Mew & Koki.

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Post Post #2509  (isolation #185)  » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:07 pm

In post 2502, pinturicchio wrote:My scumcase is based on Taly and it was not a meta read. I think Chara meta townread Taly

while this is true, i am known to be wrong. happily going along with Almost on this one, i know Creature is able to post as scum for some time, now.
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Post Post #2514  (isolation #186)  » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:46 pm

@pintu: With a non-existent knowledge of the flavour as I have I'd rather leave the "flavour analysis" to those in the know.

I'm going by traditional scum hunting coupled with a pure mechanical approach. Someone claimed Vig and mod confirmed we have a Vig (not necessarily the one that claimed but with no CC it most likely is). That Vig shot someone and missed. It wasn't due to the target's own abilities (as proven by their flip later), so someone else is responsible for that. Then we have a movement mechanic that I'm sure the mod didn't just toss in for lolz or to get themselves overworked with unneeded extra "sorting" that has nothing to do with the game. I understand when a mod decides to do the extra work for FLAVOUR, but what's the point of an ordered list with movement abilities?

So, I am trying to analyze the movements themselves. Why someone move up/down or stayed put.

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Post Post #2519  (isolation #187)  » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:16 pm

In post 2515, pinturicchio wrote:you since you claimed having a powerful role at the begining of the game.


:lol: WOW! Someone really believed my sarcasm to be a genuine claim! (Hint: I said later that we can move up and down the list. That's it. I was being sarcastic because I didn't even know how important the positioning might be).

Anyway, we have been open about our role as well as our reads. Compare Mew's ISO to ours to get the idea. We moved down by 6 bc we felt if we stayed put or moved up/down by 1-2 steps it might have not been noticed. Like, -just for the sake of illustrating- do you know what would have happened if everybody moved down one notch? NOTHING. Why? #1 steps below #2, then #steps down below #1 again. Then #3 moves below #4 and #4 regains their old position next, and so on.

Also notice that we are looking for that someone that blocked Varsoon's shot, and I know it wasn't us, so I am looking for someone who has been close enough to STW and has moved towards where the Vig was (they probably didn't expect Varsoon to jump up 7 notches).

Finally, even if all this doesn't make much sense to you (it does to me, but we both know I'm not the most articulate player of all), I am now voting Creature not Mew.

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Post Post #2589  (isolation #188)  » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:24 pm

In post 2524, pinturicchio wrote:@A50 Yeah the "I know it wasn't us who blocked Varsoon's shot" makes sense and yes, you've been more open with your role than Mew, but you think Mew should be more open too? And also, why did you want to be noticed by moving a lot? I don't get that part.


1- New is not just being quiet about his role, but about everything else as well. Reads and activity mean a lo and he's not giving the effort I saw him give before when he was Town

2- For starters because I did say our role allows us to move on the list (little did I know that everyone else's did), but more importantly I wanted to it to be visible to "us" so I can compare it to others (that's when i found out everybody can move), so moving by a distance allows me to see it better and compare with everyone else.

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Post Post #2590  (isolation #189)  » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:27 pm

In post 2525, u r a person 2 wrote:maybe varsoon should shoot creature rather than flip


Maybe he shouldm but if he misses I'd be lynching both Creature and Mew still. The only benefit to that is if Varsoon hits Creature, confirming him as a townie (a dead one by then though) and I will stop tunneling Mew.

Seriously though, the closer the target is the better because we can tell no one in-between intercepted the shot.

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Post Post #2594  (isolation #190)  » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:35 pm

In post 2523, Creature wrote:Who did Varsoon attempt to shoot?


In post 2549, Creature wrote:I'm not gonna read the entire thread just to get to the point Varsoon FPS Shoshin.


I thought you weren't reading. How did you know who Varsoon shot when nobody responded to your 2523??

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Post Post #2595  (isolation #191)  » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:39 pm

In post 2591, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 2590, Almost Chara wrote:Maybe he shouldm but if he misses I'd be lynching both Creature and Mew still. The only benefit to that is if Varsoon hits Creature, confirming him as a townie (a dead one by then though) and I will stop tunneling Mew.

Seriously though, the closer the target is the better because we can tell no one in-between intercepted the shot.

I hear what you're saying, but do we really want a lynch prior to varsoon shooting?

that seems counter-intuitive


It is HIS decision. We can't force him to shoot if he doesn't want to.

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Post Post #2596  (isolation #192)  » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:41 pm

In post 2592, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Why should anyone with a PR be more open with their role?

Also, A50 (Who I'm pretty sure should just be I50 by now) can you link the town games to which you are referring?

P-edit: I don't want to lynch prior to shooting, Varsoon should be an extra town motivated kill, I feel like we should take maximum advantage of that, thus why I have been pushing for him to take a shot

-Super Brass Brothers Ultimate


Ask your hydra p. Gamma was in that game (He was the Scum Doctor, I was the Town GS and Mew was the Town JK)

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Post Post #2675  (isolation #193)  » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:33 am

Varsoon's confirmed town and can do what he wants with his role information, as far as i'm concerned.
jjh is scum that should have been lynched two days ago. i feel bad about not pushing my Creature/Taly townread and giving Almost the reigns but it happens, i wasn't exactly 100% confident.

agree on T&L town. i'm also maintaining my pintu townread here. need to look back at how i feel on the rest.

Kingdom Hearts III comes out tomorrow so i'll be extremely inactive, but present. :>
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Post Post #2823  (isolation #194)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:43 am

we're a zerg spore crawler, a ground unit, and a building.
our role name is a ninja-negating anti-air defense.

on night 1 we moved down six spaces. (we could go anywhere.) after that we couldn't move anymore, we are rooted.
every night after the first we passively negate the ninja modifier on any actions that target us, or anyone two places above or below us.

we automatically kill any enemy air units (only light ones) that pass over us, which is why we attempted to get to the middle. we don't attack friendly air units.

we tried to figure out how best to use this role, but with neither Almost or i knowing the flavour the best we could do was get close to our townreads and be in the middle to try and hurt scum actions. i figured based on questions (and it's rather obvious) that some scum actions would be in the form of multiple light air units being sent out to do whatever the action was, and we could kill two.

i was waiting for Almost because i wanted to determine if fullclaiming was a good idea, but since he isn't active right now i decided to just be 100% transparent, probably the best way we'll figure this out.

the role is kind of confusing, so i'll put it another way. if the watcher had targeted us or someone near us, and the scum had made their kill on that person using a ninja, the watcher would have seen the kill.

i feel there was a more effective way to use this but with the watcher dead night one it felt half our utility was gone to begin with. sorry for taking so long, i didn't want to claim without my partner's say-so.
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Post Post #2824  (isolation #195)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:46 am

In post 2815, Michael Scott wrote:We also need to puzzle out the relevance of the movement mechanics and ground/air dichotomy. I'm not able to figure out anything ATM. Any help here would be great. Where is everyone?

our role is highly relevant to that and it feels like i failed somehow in using it properly. though again there was nothing to be done about the watcher. i need to properly catch up and not just skim but i do understand now why it felt like everyone had such different ideas about the setup from us.
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Post Post #2825  (isolation #196)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:49 am

In post 2802, Michael Scott wrote:Almost Chara, I'd like you to participate in the game more and help solve it.
@the rest: Does Chara have a lurk meta for scum? Anyone familiar with it?

i don't lurk as scum (anymore than i would as town, anyway), i can pull recent games if you like. sorry for my absence, both Almost and i have been busy this game day so we've been unable to pick up the slack for each other.
though my apology does not extend to tuesday or today, because i was doing something more important. :>
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Post Post #2829  (isolation #197)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:53 am

In post 2806, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 2804, Michael Scott wrote:Explain the TR on AC please, I'm getting paranoid about that slot.


It’s honestly more of a gut read that I’ll admit is biased. Specifically, Chara seems similar to me in the way we think about things so I figure if they’re like me and playing like me then they’re probably Town.

i'm townreading this because you reminded me that earlier in this game we were thinking similarly, and you bringing this up townread us here is simply +town.
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Post Post #2831  (isolation #198)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:57 am

In post 2827, Michael Scott wrote:@Almost Chara, that feels odd; Almost50 was active a few hours ago and was even posting elsewhere. Claiming simply takes a couple minutes and no thought (If you're town), it's just hard to buy that tbh.

he hasn't checked in in our PT. that tells me he didn't look at this game while he was online. it doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't be prioritizing this game right now, but i don't think there's anyone here who can corroborate that so, it's fine.

as for claiming being easy: it was. i was considering omitting aspects of our role and wanted his input. i didn't get his input and so just fullclaimed.
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Post Post #2834  (isolation #199)  » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:01 am

our understanding was that these light units aren't players. they're small units sent by scum when using actions. i should have specified that ENEMY was in all caps, so it seemed like a keyword. and from the way the mod described it we don't kill players.
light units were given as interceptors, phoenixes, observers, oracles, and ravens.
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