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Post Post #15  (isolation #0)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:51 am

I'm informed that scum has at least one ground role.

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Post Post #16  (isolation #1)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:52 am

Town shouldn't claim ground/air
Chances are that scum abilities can only affect one or the other
Same with position in the list

Anyway that's all on mechanics.
VOTE: Alchemist21

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Post Post #19  (isolation #2)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:55 am

I'd appreciate it if hydras signed their posts.

@Mephistophanes: It means that town roles that affect ground units aren't completely useless against scum, at least.
It also means that if we eliminate a bunch of air-based scum, we've a higher chance of having a ground-based scum left, for whatever that may be worth.

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Post Post #20  (isolation #3)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:56 am

I'm only in one other game and this one is smaller this go-round (at least I think) so this should be a bit easier for me to engage and keep up with.

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Post Post #22  (isolation #4)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:21 am

Hoping to do better this time. We'll see?

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Post Post #23  (isolation #5)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:23 am

@Krazy: I think it's really cool that you emulated the notion of a 'map' and 'terrain' with position in the playerlist--that's a really innovative and flavorful use of mechanics and I'm really excited to play this game because of it. Zone control is such a big part of Star Craft play so it's neat to see that in the mechanics so literally and, in a way, seamlessly.

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Post Post #25  (isolation #6)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:26 am

In post 24, Kokichi Oma wrote:i claim IC


Hahaha
great joke
Never again

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Post Post #37  (isolation #7)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:23 am

In post 28, pinturicchio wrote:Yo Varsoon how you feeling


Doing alright though it's past time for me to go to sleep so I should probably do that.

@Koki: I just now actually realized your role could be mod-confirmed as town in that game and you weren't just literally screwing with me.
Why didn't you confirm as town then?

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Post Post #57  (isolation #8)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:30 pm

Just sign your posts.
VOTE: Shoshin the worst

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Post Post #73  (isolation #9)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:10 am

@Mephistophanes: So the playerlist has numbers, right? Like
1. Varsoon
2. Mephisto
3. Shoshin

Well let's say Mephisto has an ability that makes them bulletproof, but it's only from people near him in the playerlist.
N1, there's no deaths.
Mephisto then can figure, "Well maybe my BP stopped a kill coming from Varsoon or Shoshin."
That's basically how it works. Various roles in this game utilize place in the playerlist. Some role probably affect what's close to them, some probably affect what's further. Some might affect everyone above you, some might do everyone below.

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Post Post #74  (isolation #10)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:16 am

@Shoshin: If your response to refusing to sign posts is "Ya'll can't toneread us anyway lol", then I'm not going to unvote.

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Post Post #77  (isolation #11)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:29 am

I don't understand why town would ever commit to play that knowingly hinders reads accuracy.
I've seen and been in plenty of hydras where we've used the hydra itself (signing, hydra dissonance, etc) as a means of posturing and being harder to read, but only ever as scum.

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Post Post #80  (isolation #12)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:31 am

@Nancy: Stay in hydra, yo.
Also, I do appreciate the hydras that are signing
It's already hard enough for me to keep up with a normal game with single-player slots.

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Post Post #82  (isolation #13)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:38 am

@Taly: Why's that and with how much confidence?

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Post Post #87  (isolation #14)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:28 am

@Proflavor: Could you sign your posts?
Also, why does getting lynched early there mean getting wagoned early any game is a good indicator that he's scum?

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Post Post #91  (isolation #15)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:27 am

Whoever writes the post signs it.
It's that easy.
If ya'll have a discussion and then one of you logs in and writes out the response
That one of ya'll signs it.

Why's that difficult?
Why do you need to act like you're become one person when you're two?

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Post Post #92  (isolation #16)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:30 am

Like for instance that post was written by Shoshin, from what I can tell.
So then I can apply my meta experience with Shoshin more readily when engaging with that post.
Guess what Shoshin kept telling me to 'strech my mind'?
Scum Shoshin did.

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Post Post #93  (isolation #17)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:31 am

You never used the 'Stretch your mind' phrase when you were town in TAZ, even though there were definitely people who that phrase would apply to in relation to your positions.

Curious, that.

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Post Post #96  (isolation #19)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:34 am

Shoshin used the 'Stretch your brain' phrasing immediately when suggesting there may be scum in Irrelephant's townblock, which was an undermining strategy they were trying to employ.

Shoshin's trying to undermine us again here.

Not gonna let it happen.

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Post Post #98  (isolation #20)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:36 am

Alchemist, you're not such a bad dude after all.

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Post Post #103  (isolation #21)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:43 am

@Alchemist: The first one linked is literally one where she did it as anti-town third party that they've consistently called 'scum' and acted as though it were scum play (even though it was a fucking multiball game, which completely renders it NOT THE SAME, but whatever, what's important is that they saw themselves as scum that game and employed that rhetoric there specifically but have not in any town games that I've been in).

@Mephitophanes 39: Don't care about your homesite, care about what's happening here and how it makes for ease of me understanding. When a player flagrantly makes use of their scum rhetoric while also playing in a way that hinders town, I'm gonna call it out.

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Post Post #106  (isolation #22)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:47 am

Yeah haha no.
I'm sure you'd like to act like you have no meta when you've literally just been caught on a rhetoric-tell.
You also didn't ever use 'strech your mind' in labyrinth, fwiw.
Get in the dirt.

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Post Post #108  (isolation #23)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:51 am

That's L-1 provided that Mephistophanes 39 is actually/still voting there.

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Post Post #115  (isolation #24)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:04 pm

I'm unsure why you keep providing them the 'out' of it being an RVS gag.
Shoshin isn't really a joking player.
Even TW is fairly serious.

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Post Post #121  (isolation #25)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:10 pm

There's no definites for me in this game, but it's more than not and I'm not about to start doubting strong early reads after I just got burned on it.

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Post Post #126  (isolation #26)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:16 pm

Yeah, it's not really good form to vote with intent but not with actual names.

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Post Post #129  (isolation #27)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:18 pm

Trust, I was tempted to take advantage of it, make ShoshinTW think they were lynched, see the response, but I don't know if
1. it would've fooled them
2. they would've given any worthwhile info and not just WIFOM

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Post Post #134  (isolation #28)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:25 pm

@Mephistophanes: The second link works--it should bring you to TAZ mafia, with a search for 'stretch', yielding no results.
You're welcome to search that game on your own:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77242

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Post Post #136  (isolation #29)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:26 pm

@Taly: Why does town keep up the schtick if it gets this much opposition either?

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Post Post #140  (isolation #30)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:37 pm

I searched, she didn't.
I even made a joke of it in Starcraft and Shoshin acknowledged I was using her words.

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Post Post #152  (isolation #31)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:54 pm

I used it as a tongue-in-cheek joke toward you, goof.

It's okay to be upset over getting roped in by something so dumb, though.

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Post Post #157  (isolation #32)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:19 pm

Also, Shoshin, it's not an issue of liking you or not.
It's an issue of if you're scum or not in this game.
I'm not going to see a repeat of what happened to me before.

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Post Post #164  (isolation #33)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:13 pm

I'm not going to let you browbeat me with trying to take back some imaginary 'rvs townread' that you never had on me.
That's so pathetic and obviously manipulative.
That's not how town negotiates.
Die.

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Post Post #165  (isolation #34)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:15 pm

I'm sure you'd love it if everyone gave reads and talked about players other than you.
I'm sure you'd do anything to take the spotlight off of yourself.
I'm not going to let that happen.

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Post Post #169  (isolation #35)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:19 pm

Your hydra signing is the least of why I scumread you.
I'm not going to re-assess because the last time that you used a combination of 'stretch your mind', emotional rhetoric, and this kind of browbeating to force me to reassess an early scumread on you, you were third party anti-town.
So, nope.
Not going to happen.

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Post Post #172  (isolation #36)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:23 pm

You have no idea what 'universally townread' means. You were majority townread. It's hard different.
You can come up with whatever little lies or rationale you want to try to wriggle free
You can continue to try to paint me as some person who's 'got pants on his head'
But I'm not going to let go of an informed read against a slot that, in the past, has won a game against me using these very sorts of tactics to try to shake my suspicions.

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Post Post #173  (isolation #37)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:24 pm

Explain why you're scumreading Taly.

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Post Post #180  (isolation #38)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:29 pm

Fully reveal it now.
I'm not going to let you beat around the bush.
Your answer in 177 says to me "I do not actually have a good reason and I am fabricating one; in the meantime, please come up with something on your own to justify my play and maybe come to a scumread conclusion there yourself."

So, no.
I won't just 'look at some ISO's and 'get the gist of it'.
You'll explain it in full detail and won't 'hide' anything that you don't want to reveal 'quite yet', because that's bullshit.

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Post Post #182  (isolation #39)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:39 pm

You talking about how you look in relation to me is scum posturing and attempts to make me change my position solely for towncred from you, which is something I could care less about.

I want your Taly read explained so that I can further understand the game at hand; not because it'll buy you any towncred.
The burden on me is not to explain why Taly is town; stop trying to walk back your read or force me to do something inorganic like explain a read I don't have and just explain your own damn read that you've already claimed.

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Post Post #183  (isolation #40)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:40 pm

Literally the fact you didn't explain it and instead made that gross posture post indicates to me that there's no depth to your read and you're just talking out of your ass.

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Post Post #186  (isolation #41)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:46 pm

I'm not raging, Shoshin--I'm applying pressure to your slot and I don't appreciate your multiple attempts to rewrite my push on you as anything but.

I'd love to talk about Taly, but you've decided to dodge that subject entirely.
So, nah, I don't wanna talk about anyone else.
I want you lynched.

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Post Post #188  (isolation #42)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:59 pm

You keep coming back to the 'progressive hydra dynamic' thing despite that being the smallest part of why I continue to push you.
You're literally pleading for me to drop off of you for 24 hours hoping the pressure will die down?
Seriously?

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Post Post #201  (isolation #43)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:16 pm

I forgot how much I love Taly-posting.
It's been too looong.

I don't know what to make of Mephisto. They kept coming up with excuses/outs for STW to take, which rang a bit awkward to me.

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Post Post #207  (isolation #44)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:15 pm

I was more interested in playing it straight and there was no way I'd be able to fake into a hammer there given I was already voting the wagon.

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Post Post #265  (isolation #45)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:17 am

I don't have an informed read on Taly yet. Leaning more town there than not right now. Wish Shoshin wouldn't dodge responsibility for their read there, wish you wouldn't consistently chainsaw the slot either, Mephisto.

@Mewtaph: Why would it be entertaining if NotChara crumbed that?

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Post Post #298  (isolation #46)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:16 am

Yeah, Taly's town.
Alchemist is town.

Need to sort:
Kokichi, who should be more present and who's IC claim only makes sense one way that I can figure
Pint, who seems to really be slipping under the radar.


I'm still good for a STW lynch, all that said.

@Mephisto: Keep in mind that Shoshin was 3P that actually had to scumhunt in Starcraft 1, whereas here Shoshin would just be hard scum having to fake scumreads.

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Post Post #300  (isolation #47)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:17 am

Nico, talk to me.
Let's play ball.
Don't be like White Diamond and spend all day isolated from the people who need to talk to you.

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Post Post #303  (isolation #48)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:37 am

Yeah, I really don't understand the scumreads on Taly.
Mephistophane's isn't all that well articulated and lacks venom and STW's has been "Just trust me I gotta figure out some trajectory" excuse for waiting until later in the game to explain their read.

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Post Post #305  (isolation #49)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:38 am

It's more than just that I disagree with them;
I fundamentally do not understand where either slot is coming from and the basis that either has for a scumread there.

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Post Post #306  (isolation #50)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:38 am

You can patreonize me
As in
Give me freebucks

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Post Post #310  (isolation #51)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:44 am

I don't really have a good one.
People seem to be pointing to how Mephisto chainsawing STW might be a town mindset but I'm not sure that it's really all that alignment indicative, just a bit of a confusing position (from my PoV) to hold.

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Post Post #323  (isolation #52)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 am

I'm not really sold on this play being in line with their previous towngames. I've never seen Shoshin be this furtive about a read and, in my experience, when people are that dodgy, it's because they are scum.

It's also important to note that it's not just Shoshin driving that hydra; theworst is in there, too. If we're to believe their posts are jointly written and they are posting as 'one entity' or whatever, you should take that into account as well.

Regardless, I'm basing my reads (as much as I can) on this game and its contents, independent of anything else. In this game, I don't like how the STW slot has played. Their appeals when I was pressuring them strike me as really egregious, too.

P-EDIT: I wish Nico would be more present in games. Nico joining games, then getting frustrated and lowkey ducking out makes it really hard to read the slot.

P-PEDIT:
@Tibor & Lumia : White Diamond is a character from Steven Universe and is relevant in the current arc that's being shown. She's highly secluded--Steven throws a ball just to get a chance to talk to her, but she doesn't show up.

@Mephisto: I mean that I'm not seeing a lot of articulation about why Taly is scum here. I'm not seeing real passion in your read against Taly; when I say it lacks venom, I don't mean frustration or expletives, I mean that your read there is without much of a push; if you scumread them, it's not like you're doing anything to wagon them or get them lynched, etc.

P-P-PEDIT:
I might start a youtube channel, but I dunno what I'd put on there. :/
I stream from time to time, when I find time for it.

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Post Post #329  (isolation #53)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:21 am

Sorry to let ya down, Jimothy, but I use that phrase regardless of alignment. :P

I agree, we should get some FLIPS
VOTE: Shoshin the Worst
FLIP IT

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Post Post #330  (isolation #54)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:22 am

Triple Vote : Shoshin the Worst

That'll do,
That'll do.

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Post Post #334  (isolation #55)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:31 am

You looked at every single game I've ever played and searched the word 'venom'?

Stay in your Hydra, detective.

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Post Post #344  (isolation #56)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:54 am

In post 340, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 334, Varsoon wrote:You looked at every single game I've ever played and searched the word 'venom'?

Stay in your Hydra, detective.

I just went to your profile, searched "Venom", and it showed me your entire usage of the word in all posts.
I went into each of the games it was mentioned in and checked your alignment.
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=20928

~Detective Michael Scarn / Jimothy / Auro


Oh, I was town in Antihero, Mini 1574, and two of the Touhou games.
Anyway, speaking of context, I'm criticizing Mephisto's apparent scumread on Taly (which, now I see, isn't actually a scumread, so of course it's venomless) rather than defending myself by trying to undermine someone pushing me (which was the case of the use in Civilzation Mafia, at least) :3

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Post Post #345  (isolation #57)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:54 am

It's cool that I've got 4 pages of posts using the word idiot.

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Post Post #348  (isolation #58)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:57 am

Does remind me that while I have an obscene amount of posts, I'd still have to double it to get in the top 5.
How the shit did Titus cinch the top posting position on-site?
Wild.

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Post Post #349  (isolation #59)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:59 am

Spoiler: Flagrant hate on RC
Wanna take this time to admire that Radiant Cowbells has 50,000 posts;
dude's title should be 'Shitposts Frequently'
Actually, dude shouldn't have a title
Dude should be sitebanned.

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Post Post #356  (isolation #60)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:07 am

Sa'll good, Jimothy, this game will serve as proof I can use the phrase in direct address as town. :D

Spoiler: Yup
But yeah, I'm probably biased. Dude's compromised more than one game for me. I've never had a pleasurable experience playing with him. The attitude he espouses is not what I envision as something representative of this site or one that should be allowed. We're definitely fundamentally different in how we think of things. More on that outside of the game, but whatever.

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Post Post #358  (isolation #61)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:11 am

So if you don't scumread Taly, Mephisto, who do you suspect?
Who do you think needs more focus put on them and how are you/do you plan to do that?

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Post Post #360  (isolation #62)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:45 am

I don't, uh
I don't get how that answers my questions.

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Post Post #363  (isolation #63)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:37 pm

That makes more sense.

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Post Post #365  (isolation #64)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:42 pm

I mean, it is rude to tell other people to replace out, I feel.
I really hate replace-outs. They compromise game integrity.

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Post Post #381  (isolation #65)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:38 pm

In post 367, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Game integrity is also compromised by shitty reads, so there’s that too,


Shitty reads are an inherent part of mafia. Players swapping at the table in long-form play is not a design element of the game.

Anyway.

I heard that the lurk-meta on Nico indicates scum there but I don't really know if that's true or not.

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Post Post #390  (isolation #66)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:11 pm

Poor pin.
I hope you get better from surgery.
I'm interested in what URAP2 has to say to all that, though.

The thing is
Mod allowed Hydras and the mod rule is that heads sign their posts.

-Var

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Post Post #392  (isolation #67)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:14 pm

That dude got me banned before, you don't wanna meet him.
It's Var 2 Soon for all that.

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Post Post #394  (isolation #68)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:29 pm

I don't think I'm that introspective. I guess? I was playing Overkill II very protective of myself, whereas I don't think I've got much to fear in this game.

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Post Post #395  (isolation #69)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:29 pm

-V, obviously

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Post Post #448  (isolation #70)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:22 am

Not a fan of how people sloughed off the STW wagon.
I'm not entirely sold by the URAP2 wagon; feels too easy.

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Post Post #451  (isolation #71)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:28 am

@MOD: Did we ever get an answer to this? :

In post 322, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 146, Alchemist21 wrote:@Mod; Is there going to be a record of previous Days’ player list orders or do players have to manually keep track of previous orders?



I also find it somewhat wild that no one had a single vocalized response to my fake triple-vote.

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Post Post #461  (isolation #72)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:24 am

@Michael Slott: The appeals they made while I was pushing them were not the kind of appeals that I associate with town.
The whole 'stretch your mind' appeal is one that I've only seen them make as scum.
When confronted with this piece of meta that wasn't even all that damning, their defense was to handwave that the hydra has no meta, which isn't really an argument that I'd see either Shoshin or TW making, as town, when confronted this way.
They produced a Taly scumread when under pressure, but when asked to elaborate on that scumread, they failed to be able to do so and instead defaulted to a position that I hard scumread--that they have some sort of info/tell that they can't share and are waiting to reveal. This is a scum position because they can just either; 1. Come up with a convenient lie later, once they've had time to think on it and Taly has more content or 2. They can just never reveal it if people forget about it.
The way they handled my pressure in regards to the Taly scumread isn't forthright as Shoshin usually is as town and reads as scummy to me.
Since then, they've largely done nothing of note and seem to have basically taken my pressure on them as an excuse to duck out for a 'cooling off' period where they can let suspicion on them subside/die entirely. Town doesn't do this, in my experience.
Their resistance re:signing isn't something that I townread.
How they handled the signing thing isn't something I see coming from a town mindset, either. Obviously, there's the WIFOM that stubborn town just wouldn't concede to signing or that scum wouldn't back down to try to seem like stubborn town or that backing down would be survivalist from a scum PoV but honestly

I just don't like it.

Couple that with people finding a lot of quick reasons to wagon someone who had, up to that point, phoned in pretty easy-to-attack play and the general way the wagon was abandoned and I can come to one of two conclusions:

1. STW slot is scum.
2. If not, STW slot isn't playing in a pro-town manner and had scum on their wagon.

Out of all of the players in the game, STW has the most amount of content that I scumread, so I'll be keeping my vote there and still working for a lynch there. The natural discrediting tactic that you're going to see happen is that scum will try to call this a tunnel, despite me being engaged with other slots, reading the game, and trying to figure it out beyond STW. They'll try to act like having a scumread you want to get lynched is a tunnel, somehow, and therefore unlikely to produce a flip on scum; it's important that you know this is absolutely a discrediting tactic and dismiss it as such.

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Post Post #463  (isolation #73)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:27 am

Furthermore, they've been really reductive in saying that the only reasons people have for scumreading them are the signing thing, which, as you can see, is hardly the case.

I don't know if that's scum-indicative, but I hate when people are reductive in that way and I don't think it does town any favors to be like that, so, again, occam's razor, it's not a town slot. Both players in that Hydra are far, far better town players than this.

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Post Post #466  (isolation #74)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:39 am

I'd say about 80%. They haven't done anything that absolutely damns them, but they've played in a way highly contrary to expectations from them both as players and from the site standards for what qualifies as town play and from my own standards for what I qualify as town play. I'm more confident I am than any other slot so far; that's why I continue to vote there and campaign for that lynch.

As far as other scumreads go, I don't want to put the cart before the horse, but there are definitely slots I'd be more or less critical of depending on STW's flip, independent of that:
I find Mephisto's play really curious but I'm hesitant to say it's scum play.
I think that at least one scum player is certainly lying low; odds are very good that we'd hit scum in one of Mewtaph, Nico Robin, and Kokichi Oma--all of which have checked in but largely avoided commenting on anything game-related besides vanity.

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Post Post #469  (isolation #75)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:44 am

For people who thought my triple-vote-hammer was fake; why did you stay silent about it?
I'm curious.

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Post Post #474  (isolation #76)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:48 am

Nah, my jokes usually have punchlines

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Post Post #477  (isolation #77)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:53 am

@AC: If you felt it was for reactions, why didn't ya play into it or react? :P
I just think it's curious that so many people definitely saw it and hard-dodged acknowledging it at all.
It's a creeping feeling like there's something there but I don't know what or how to suss it out.

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Post Post #481  (isolation #78)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:10 am

You'd think that if people saw it as fake they'd either
1. Decry it as such
2. Figure it for a gambit and play into it in order to see the results on people it did fool

Neither happened, which is curious to me.
Dunno if it's all that fruitful of a line of inquiry, though. :/

As far as accurately reading you, I did so in Starcraft after engaging with you and having an incorrect read initially. This is why it's important to engage with players and be present. I also accurately townread you in Excalibur, or, rather, I had you as 'locktown' because I found your play to be absolutely defensibly town from a town PoV and knew there was no use in fighting for a lynch on you there, as scum.

People do love to throw up the 'Varsoon cant read me!' bit a lot, though, and they've done it as either align, so I don't know how to take it.

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Post Post #484  (isolation #79)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:39 am

Mmm. Makes sense.
The problem is that now we've had a VC that proves it false so it's kinda lost cause
Just trying to get what info I can from it.

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Post Post #486  (isolation #80)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:53 am

It's a jab at people for being turds
literally going against site etiquette and mod request

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Post Post #492  (isolation #81)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:16 am

In post 489, Alchemist21 wrote:I didn’t think you would expect anyone to tske it seriously either, I just thought it was an emphasis on how much you wanted them lynched.


I didn't really have many expectations when I did it, but I did find it kind of weird that no one said a thing about it.
It actually lowkey makes me think that STW is scum, for really fargone reasons that I'm not proud to share.

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Post Post #493  (isolation #82)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:21 am

Forgot to sign, whoops.

Also, screw it, here's my dumb rationale there:
Scum allies of STW didn't want to say anything to toss any sort of associative on the off-chance it was a real hammer and so they silently let it slide until mod confirmed it one way or another and they're smart enough to know that they'd get no points for making a fuss over it once confirmed as a lie.

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Post Post #496  (isolation #83)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:28 am

@Alchemist21: That's why I said it's dumb reasoning and didn't even post it in the first place.
Town obviously didn't respond because they either
1. thought it was a joke
2. wanted to see STW's response
3. forgot about it/overlooked it

But yeah, as for why I'm hung up on it at all:
In post 477, Varsoon wrote:I just think it's curious that so many people definitely saw it and hard-dodged acknowledging it at all.
It's a creeping feeling like there's something there but I don't know what or how to suss it out.


But I will say that it's kinda been fruitless for me beyond what I said so far, so I'm dropping it.
Will be neat to see post-game, though, if it did mean anything.

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Post Post #512  (isolation #84)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:25 pm

@STW: Your point 4 is entirely WIFOM. As scum, I am constantly undermining my own play because I'm next-level. Yeah, if you were level-1 or 2 scum, that's how you'd approach play, but I know from the last game you played that you're trying to break into level 3 play.

Anyway, I don't find your answer to be satisfying of my suspicion.

@Mephistophanes: I didn't try to get you mislynched there (assuming you're talking about StarCraft 1?); I sorted you properly and came to the correct conclusion that you were town. I wasn't informed enough to know if you actually were town, so I couldn't have been intentionally pushing a mislynch. My point stands that I've correctly townread you in our last two encounters and in this one I'm going to need more interaction and data and, yes, at some point, I might vote you, but it's all in the effort to sort you. I don't see myself voting you anytime soon, as you've been more confusing to me than scummy, if that makes sense. You've helped sort out a lot of stuff, though. I appreciate it.

Why are you giving people +1 here and there? What's the purpose of that?


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Post Post #515  (isolation #85)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:39 pm

@Mephisto: I didn't know for sure that you meant that game and that you didn't mean knowingly. I don't know if I've been town with you outside of that--hadn't we played some games together before? My memory kinda sucks.

Thanks for explaining the +1 thing. I didn't know if it meant that you were handing out townpoints or agreeing or pushing that post forward or what.

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Post Post #519  (isolation #86)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:50 pm

@STW: Alchemist, Taly, all the other Hydras, and Pint, all to some extent.

@Michael Stott: You're all gravy.

@Mephistophanes: Yeah, I think you're right, it was those Drealmerz 'games'. Time to shudder hard and purge my brains again.

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Post Post #523  (isolation #87)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:57 pm

In post 520, Michael Scott wrote:Your first sentence implies we're a TR, "gravy" implies mixed feelings though, clarify for me?

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Post Post #542  (isolation #88)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:33 pm

In post 540, Shoshin the worst wrote:
You're finding reasons to keep tunnelling us Varsoon.


Hoh boy

In post 461, Varsoon wrote:Out of all of the players in the game, STW has the most amount of content that I scumread, so I'll be keeping my vote there and still working for a lynch there. The natural discrediting tactic that you're going to see happen is that scum will try to call this a tunnel, despite me being engaged with other slots, reading the game, and trying to figure it out beyond STW. They'll try to act like having a scumread you want to get lynched is a tunnel, somehow, and therefore unlikely to produce a flip on scum; it's important that you know this is absolutely a discrediting tactic and dismiss it as such.
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Post Post #543  (isolation #89)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:34 pm

Just gonna bring this into overdrive, actually, and go for the dunk.
Day Vig: Shoshin the Worst

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Post Post #551  (isolation #90)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:46 pm

You can't be aware of it and 'towntell', that's not how it works.

Thanks for the reads, though. Sorry if you're town.

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Post Post #554  (isolation #91)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm

@Michael Scott: Just feels too easy to vote there between the haphazard play the slot has exhibited especially in regards to voting, the kinda unlikable name, and pint's casing there. Didn't like how some folks leaving my wagon went there.

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Post Post #556  (isolation #92)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:49 pm

I really like that recent post of URAP2's and Michael Scott's.
I don't know why STW is trying to present this game as hard to read/sort.

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Post Post #559  (isolation #93)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:51 pm

Here you come with that 'regret townreading you' and 'I will revoke that townread'.

Don't you understand, STW?

Shooting you confirms me as town.
No need to continue to try to undermine it.

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Post Post #562  (isolation #94)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:55 pm

To make this clearer for you:

In post 1, Krazy wrote:
  • This is a confirmed single-ball game with no third party roles. The distribution of players will be 11 town vs 3 mafia
  • There will be a role similar to a town-aligned vigilante in this game
  • This game will feature roles that interact with the order of players in the player list, but the primary emphasis will still be on day play and not night actions.


@Mod: Can we take the point quoted here to indicate that there will be a TOWN-ALIGNED role that is similar to a Vigilante this game?

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Post Post #598  (isolation #95)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:53 pm

@STW: Point out where I said anything about no more handing out townreads and I'll show you how the context is absolutely different. Stay sore.

@AlmostChara: If the thread isn't locked by the time I get home, we can jam.
I don't know why anyone's doubtcastin' the vig, since it should town-confirm me
And I get the added bonus of blowing down scum-Shoshin
A++

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Post Post #612  (isolation #96)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:50 pm

@AC: Yup.
I'm home now if you wanna jam.

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Post Post #614  (isolation #97)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:58 pm

I don't really have any specifics to discuss.
Why'd ya get all serious about the 'day' part of 'day'vig?

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Post Post #619  (isolation #98)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:06 pm

I'm also informed, if you recall, that scum has at least one 'ground' role.
It doesn't end the day, no worries.

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Post Post #622  (isolation #99)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:12 pm

It's very likely that roles on both sides of the alignment fence have specific interactions with ground/air differently.

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Post Post #628  (isolation #100)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:36 pm

You really think STW would've claimed before getting shot?

P-EDIT:
I'm 100%

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Post Post #632  (isolation #101)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:41 pm

You said all this same shit last game, too, STW.
"I don't think Varsoon is game-throwingly bad."
Except you do
Because you kept me around till endgame
Asshole.

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Post Post #658  (isolation #102)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:52 pm

It's not a reaction test, but I appreciate people continuing to play as though you're out of the picture, as you soon will be.

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Post Post #670  (isolation #103)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:24 pm

In post 668, Shoshin the worst wrote:The human race is bad at reading Taly.

VOTE: Kokichi

Choo choo.


This is an incredibly important post once Shoshin flips scum.
Mark my words.

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Post Post #676  (isolation #104)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:48 pm

What the fuck

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Post Post #677  (isolation #105)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:49 pm

No, seriously, what the fuck
If my kill fails on you, why wouldn't you claim that shit immediately?

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Post Post #680  (isolation #106)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:51 pm

@MOD: If someone has a hypothetical day-vigilante role with flavor tied to the ability name, would you, as a mod, accept the action if the user had just written Day Vig: Playername

'cus any fucking mod would.
And I'm NOT tilting my flavor for you, scumfuck.
Explain why you're not dead.

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Post Post #682  (isolation #107)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:53 pm

Mod specifically answered a question I directed at him within a page of my vig.
He saw it.
I got a PM just now telling me it failed.
Explain how that's the case, Shoshin.

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Post Post #684  (isolation #108)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:54 pm

You also are voting Kokichi, who claimed IC.
One for-sure IC in this game would be the TOWN Vigilante, as the mod has confirmed.
If you are so sure I'm not the town Vigilante, why the FUCK are you voting someone who soft-claimed it?

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Post Post #693  (isolation #109)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:07 pm

In post 685, Taly wrote:Vars, do you believe Kokichi's claim and why?


No, because I'm the town Vig and I don't believe this game has BOTH a confirmable town role by public design in the vigilante and ALSO an IC.
I think it's more likely that Kokichi is either trolling or has a role he feels will hard-confirm him as town.
Regardless, given how Kokichi's claim played out in Starcraft Mafia 1, I find it obscene how STW is pushing there, especially because from their PoV they admit to thinking I'm not the vig, so they are full aware that Kokichi could be softing he's the vig, which lines up with the IC claim.

@STW: I would appreciate if you didn't deride me with comments like you know I am better than this or that I'm playing like an 8 year old.
I caught you.
I shot you.
Of course you're BP or some other conditional nonsense.
That'd be fate, wouldn't it?
A big fuck you
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Post Post #695  (isolation #110)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:11 pm

Asked if my shot was accepted as it was written and mod said yes.

And, STW?
The fact you can't explain not dying to the town vig
and the fact you can't explain your Taly read
Really
Really
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tilts me

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Post Post #696  (isolation #111)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:11 pm

Nico's got a very old habit of signing up for games and ghosting and I'm worried it's resurfacing here, so I'd say it's NAI or even lean-scum.
:/

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Post Post #699  (isolation #112)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:16 pm

You're not even reading my posts at this point, just taking umbrage with them.
I wrote, outright, that Kokichi likely isn't an IC here given that I'm the Vig.

I was never 'pretending' to scumread you, but that's a cute way to undermine my very serious read on your slot.

You're sweating a lot for someone with a single vote on them.
Sweating an awful lot.

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Post Post #700  (isolation #113)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:17 pm

Now you're trying to threaten me with the notion I'll be 'policy vigged' when you and I both know that's never going to happen
'cus I'm the Vig.

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Post Post #701  (isolation #114)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:17 pm

Anyway, cool scumclaim <3

Very glad I got reads from you and other players continued to play
It's all good, guys, I got the scum.

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Post Post #705  (isolation #115)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:20 pm

Literally no one has ever blacklisted me.

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Post Post #708  (isolation #116)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:21 pm

Cool insults, though.
I'll stash those away in 'Horrible things people say about me when they are tilted'.

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Post Post #709  (isolation #117)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:21 pm

You still haven't explained why you aren't dead or why you have a scumread on Taly.

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Post Post #713  (isolation #118)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:23 pm

Well, could be the people who can't stand me have stayed super far away from me and I've never heard about it.
I do pretty much only stick to one queue, so it'd be pretty easy to avoid me.
Even then, people who initially had a real sour opinion of me have turned it around.
If I am legitimately bothering you, I'm sorry.
I'm just very sure that I've caught you here as scum and that you're pushing toxicity as a reason not to engage with me instead of answering my questions or whatever.

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Post Post #715  (isolation #119)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:25 pm

I literally ended last game beaten by both of you, y'know
And I swore, in that post game, that I wouldn't let someone make a personal appeal that'd make me doubt my own game-informed reads.
So I'm not gonna back down here.

Why were you voting Kokichi when you thought I wasn't the Vig?

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Post Post #716  (isolation #120)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:26 pm

Are you something that's not air or ground, then? Like Space or some wild shit?
Not that I expect you'd claim ascetic or BP or 'Space' or anything of the like if you're scum.
I'm just trying to figure this out.

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Post Post #725  (isolation #121)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:37 pm

In post 717, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Varsoon, could you claim your flavor, since you are claiming a role?

I'm honestly not super Up to Date with Starcraft having only played a few games of SC2, so I don't know if that will reveal ground or air unit. If it would, I guess I'd be willing to accept that.

-Brass


I won't claim flavor at all and I won't confirm if my flavor does or does not make it obvious that I am ground or air or anything else.
The less info scum have about me, the better.

@STW: I've been paying attention to the thread and responding to other things, too.
I'm sorry that I'm such a headache for you. Please focus outside of me for now, then?
Unless we have a legitimately better candidate for lynch that I actually agree on, I'm going to keep my vote stuck where it is.
It's baffling that my kill failed on you and I'm trying my best not to get really pissed off that I outted myself this early and will die without having done anything.

@AlmostChara: There are definitely units in Starcraft that can only affect air or ground. The Protoss Reaver, for instance, can shoot out scarab bombs across the ground, but it can't hit flying units. Many of the zerg ground units only have claws and can't attack air units. Shuttles that fly can pick up and transport ground units. So on and so forth.

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Post Post #732  (isolation #122)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:46 pm

In post 727, u r a person 2 wrote:I sincerely doubt that the mod would be so... trolly

but in starcraft 1 there is a high ground advantage mechanic

where units firing up hill have a roughly 50% chance to miss

and stw is above you in the player list ;P


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Post Post #733  (isolation #123)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:48 pm

And yeah, AC, you're right, it could explain it if someone blocked kills that shoot between them in the playerlist.
Hmmmm.

This mechanic is really fucking cool but goddamn

Okay
I'm going to sleep on it

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Post Post #826  (isolation #124)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:18 am

@Mephisto: No, mod didn't tell me why the kill failed, just that it did. I made double sure that it wasn't just because of flavor of submission, too. :/

VOTE: Nico

I'm fine going down this rabbit hole.
Nico, if you're town in a game, you need to produce content in order to be accurately read.

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Post Post #851  (isolation #125)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:36 am

In post 842, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 559, Varsoon wrote:Shooting you confirms me as town.

hate when people say stuff like this.... tell me why because I'm thick

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In post 673, Krazy wrote:
In post 562, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1, Krazy wrote:
  • This is a confirmed single-ball game with no third party roles. The distribution of players will be 11 town vs 3 mafia
  • There will be a role similar to a town-aligned vigilante in this game
  • This game will feature roles that interact with the order of players in the player list, but the primary emphasis will still be on day play and not night actions.


@Mod: Can we take the point quoted here to indicate that there will be a TOWN-ALIGNED role that is similar to a Vigilante this game?


Yes.


Should be all you need, from the mod's mouth.

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Post Post #853  (isolation #126)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:07 am

I can't shoot anymore today.
My shot was used.

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Post Post #855  (isolation #127)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:24 am

What are your reads, URAP2?
Care to share who you are PoE'ing through and why?
I've been just kinda glossing your recent posts, so if there's answers there, sorry.
Feed it to me

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Post Post #856  (isolation #128)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:45 am

Spoiler: Not Game Related
Every now and then, I look back at old posts I made and I crack a smile, because damn, I love myself.

Shit like this brightens my day:

Subject: Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

Varsoon wrote:
In post 564, SirCakez wrote:Right, except you flipped out, not just "detailing what was wrong with the post"


Until I begin posting videos of Macho Man Randy Savage and making photoshop edits of Charles Barkley, I have not yet flipped out.
Did I go a little hard in the paint?
Sure.
That's what pressure looks like.

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Post Post #864  (isolation #129)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:03 pm

Oh, yeah, people should probably come to a consensus for my next vig. Even if I don't make it through the night, it'd be useful info out there.

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Post Post #887  (isolation #130)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:44 pm

In post 882, Shoshin the worst wrote:We're comfortable wagoning either of Kokichi and Nico honestly. Convince me on someone scummier than Nico?


In post 715, Varsoon wrote:Why were you voting Kokichi when you thought I wasn't the Vig?

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I don't think you ever answered or addressed this.

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Post Post #905  (isolation #131)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:27 pm

Victory Cream

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Post Post #908  (isolation #132)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:36 pm

Well, I feel like a Valued Customer.

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Post Post #914  (isolation #133)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:40 pm

Well you're not getting any Varsoon Credit for keeping this nonsense going

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Post Post #915  (isolation #134)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:41 pm

UNVOTE:

I hope we get a replacement Very Close to now.

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Post Post #920  (isolation #135)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:47 pm

I think it's fine so long as we can continue to actually engage with the game.
With a replacement put in for Nico, who do you think is the best player to Vote Carelessly for?

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Post Post #924  (isolation #136)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:53 pm

I was gonna keep it up all game, you bunch of villainous cowards.

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Post Post #933  (isolation #137)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:16 pm

VOTE: Mewtaph

I agree, who is he? Some vacant chasm in the playerlist, gotta be. Dude was fairly non-extant in the first game, too.


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Post Post #946  (isolation #138)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:45 pm

@Taly: I don't know why people are townreading Mewtaph--might have to do with their play in Starcraft 1. I'm not townreading them.
Alchemist21 is town but needs to commit more of that good content.
T&L's lean town for me but I have my suspicions about the slot and I'm not high confidence either way.
STW absolutely should be lynched at the end of the day if we can't come to some conclusion--I still heavily scumread the slot.
Right now, though, I'm not 'tunneling out' and I'm trying to keep from bombarding the thread with my posts/vanity crap there since it's not going to help us solve anything atm.

What are your thoughts on Mewtaph and, in general, what do you think should be done in this kind of a game (lurker slots a problem but also current wagons/attention d1)?

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Post Post #961  (isolation #139)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:30 pm

In post 955, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 519, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Alchemist, Taly, all the other Hydras, and Pint, all to some extent.

@Michael Stott: You're all gravy.

@Mephistophanes: Yeah, I think you're right, it was those Drealmerz 'games'. Time to shudder hard and purge my brains again.

Expand on your TRs on the non-stw hydrae and Pintu?
-The Real Slim Emerald


Mostly just how they were all approaching the game. Pint had this very cased out post against URAP2 that felt townie to me, though I'm curious where all that effort came and went.
I can write more on the specifics of this later, gotta catch some Z's. <3


In post 957, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 519, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Alchemist, Taly, all the other Hydras, and Pint, all to some extent.

@Michael Stott: You're all gravy.

@Mephistophanes: Yeah, I think you're right, it was those Drealmerz 'games'. Time to shudder hard and purge my brains again.


In post 523, Varsoon wrote:
In post 520, Michael Scott wrote:Your first sentence implies we're a TR, "gravy" implies mixed feelings though, clarify for me?

~Blah


It's all Gravy, like it's all Good.
I'm from the deep South
It's all G


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Wouldn’t really be able to meet up anytime soon but it’d be cool to know what state you live in
-Emerald Dog


Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
It'd be cool to meet up or hang out with other scummers. I coincidentally landed in a city in Florida for a year where another scummer lived and we kicked it from time to time, was very cool.

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Post Post #976  (isolation #140)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:49 am

VOTE: STW

Nico, I understand you wanted to replace in, but now you're in the game--you wanted to play in it anyway, right?
No one's forcing you to play here--replace out if you don't want to play.
Just don't play the victim card is all.

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Post Post #984  (isolation #141)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:14 am

In post 978, Taly wrote:
In post 976, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: STW


Please make a case, involving post links.

I can't bring myself to read all the pages in this thread because of the back-and-forths and filtering out a mountain of words for a few content-advancing statements hasn't done me well for comprehension.


It's in my ISO and emergent between my interactions with the STW slot.
If you still can't verify casing there, I can try?
I really don't wanna, though. :/

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Post Post #994  (isolation #142)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:11 pm

I'm not incredibly happy with Mewtaph's pushing there.
Makes some degree of sense, but it is what it is. Very curious.

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Post Post #1005  (isolation #143)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:51 pm

In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:


I don't like that this sort of WIFOM was dropped earlier and you're reversing it here--can't remember who, but someone suggested that the pressure on you was shifted to Nico. I generally think that's more likely to be true than the other way around. Your suggestion pretty much is just that Nico is buddies with... who?

I'm very confused.

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Post Post #1012  (isolation #144)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:10 pm

They're kind of infamous for this.
I think they even had a 3-game limit for awhile because of it.
It's a shame, because I really like when they do give it their all in a game.


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Post Post #1013  (isolation #145)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:11 pm

Aw damn I forgot to be very critical of myself and keep up the VC nonsense.

Oh well.

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Post Post #1152  (isolation #146)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:00 pm

I still think it's STW.
:/

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Post Post #1154  (isolation #147)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:03 pm

Just don't worry too much, y'know?
It's still D1.
I'mma stick to my guns, literally and figuratively.

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Post Post #1174  (isolation #148)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:08 pm

In post 1162, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 1152, Varsoon wrote:I still think it's STW.
:/

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+ 2 others
Find the two others I dare you

You are so aggressively not playing this it's insulting that you're alleging to be confirmable town. This kind of play is damaging to site culture.



I can find em after you're in the dirt.
Day's dragged on long enough.
This sort of tactic won't work on me.

You can try to render this as an out-of-game thread by making it about site culture, but that's also not going to work on me.

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Post Post #1175  (isolation #149)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:10 pm

Didn't you pull the same thing in the first Starcraft?
"Well yeah but you gotta find my teammates anyway so waste time doing that lol"

K thx but no

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Post Post #1187  (isolation #150)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:03 am

In post 1180, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 1175, Varsoon wrote:Didn't you pull the same thing in the first Starcraft?
"Well yeah but you gotta find my teammates anyway so waste time doing that lol"

K thx but no

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....no?
Possibly my other head did?
I don't remember either heads doing that off the top of my head


I thought ya'll were one entity
All in the same

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Post Post #1230  (isolation #151)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:27 pm

In post 1200, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 567, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 543, Varsoon wrote:Just gonna bring this into overdrive, actually, and go for the dunk.
Day Vig: Shoshin the Worst

Actually lack of flavour is likely fake

So stw, why didn’t you state you thought this when I asked?
-MC Gamma


Looking back at this, the blatant flavor-fishing is disgusting.
Please lynch STW.

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Post Post #1231  (isolation #152)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:29 pm

In post 1210, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 677, Varsoon wrote:No, seriously, what the fuck
If my kill fails on you, why wouldn't you claim that shit immediately?

So like, stw made reads in response to the vig shot. So I don’t think they’re BP. So either the vig was fake or there’s some other intervention. Varsoon, since you don’t seem to care about what info you leak, does your vig shot not work on ground/air units?
-A very intrigued Emerald


I do care about what I leaked and I specifically addressed this point already.


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Post Post #1232  (isolation #153)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:31 pm

For posterity:

In post 16, Varsoon wrote:Town shouldn't claim ground/air
Chances are that scum abilities can only affect one or the other
Same with position in the list

Anyway that's all on mechanics.
VOTE: Alchemist21

In post 716, Varsoon wrote:Are you something that's not air or ground, then? Like Space or some wild shit?
Not that I expect you'd claim ascetic or BP or 'Space' or anything of the like if you're scum.
I'm just trying to figure this out.

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In post 725, Varsoon wrote:
In post 717, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Varsoon, could you claim your flavor, since you are claiming a role?

I'm honestly not super Up to Date with Starcraft having only played a few games of SC2, so I don't know if that will reveal ground or air unit. If it would, I guess I'd be willing to accept that.

-Brass


I won't claim flavor at all and I won't confirm if my flavor does or does not make it obvious that I am ground or air or anything else.
The less info scum have about me, the better.

@STW: I've been paying attention to the thread and responding to other things, too.
I'm sorry that I'm such a headache for you. Please focus outside of me for now, then?
Unless we have a legitimately better candidate for lynch that I actually agree on, I'm going to keep my vote stuck where it is.
It's baffling that my kill failed on you and I'm trying my best not to get really pissed off that I outted myself this early and will die without having done anything.

@AlmostChara: There are definitely units in Starcraft that can only affect air or ground. The Protoss Reaver, for instance, can shoot out scarab bombs across the ground, but it can't hit flying units. Many of the zerg ground units only have claws and can't attack air units. Shuttles that fly can pick up and transport ground units. So on and so forth.

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Post Post #1233  (isolation #154)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:32 pm

It's weird that this is the second time that Tibor and Lumia have, each from a different head, looked to fish my info.


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Post Post #1235  (isolation #155)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:18 pm

Hey, man, I know I'm useless.
I'm just trying to steer this ship into the direction I think is right here.
My number is up--I'm outted; scum's going to kill the fucking Vigilante IC.
So I'm doing what I can.

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Post Post #1243  (isolation #156)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:59 pm

In post 1237, ProFlavor wrote:That’s a lot of words for what could have been

TW used the word holistic 41 times over a certain time period / X as town / Y as scum so it’s NAI
Then ask why point disagreed


Why use 100 words when you can use 10 eh


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4 words

VOTE: STW ; They're scum.

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Post Post #1246  (isolation #157)  » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:41 pm

It ain't about compromise
The fucking confirmed-town vigilante shot someone
That person did not die
That person has been very scummy
And that person has no excuse for not dying

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Post Post #1309  (isolation #158)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:54 pm

Yeah I'm not all that excited about wagoning Mewtaph.
The way people are treating that slot is criminal, too.
Like, I personally know that when people call my play a joke, I get incredibly frustrated and it tilts me something hella fierce.
That kinda shit does no favors to the gamestate or towards actually sorting a slot.


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Post Post #1310  (isolation #159)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:56 pm

Like when I'm struggling with a game and doing my best to engage, when people call my play a joke, I often type out several very violent threats and then backspace them because I don't actually mean them, but I am very pissed off.

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Post Post #1323  (isolation #160)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:46 pm

@Alchemist: I think you're both town, for what it's worth--I just have a real hard time seeing Mewtaph's play coming from a scum PoV since it's so fringe/vanity/whatever you wanna call it. I'm townreading him a lot between his frustration and how he's handling your handling of his slot. It makes consistent sense to me, at least.

@URAP2: I think it's actually likelier that scum makes up excuses for someone than not, but my head's on wrong.

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Post Post #1338  (isolation #161)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:35 pm

I'm around, too, Mew.
I have a really hard time reading your posts for some reason
Like it is difficult for me to maintain focus on them for any amount of time

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Post Post #1341  (isolation #162)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:46 pm

I've been trying to force myself because I feel bad about what happened in Starcraft 1 where I just kinda glossed all your posts and never developed a really informed read on you and you flipped town there.

Anyway, you really seem like an obviously offered up counterwagon to STW and the STW-resistance bothers me so
We've got 48 hours left, what should we do to make the most of that time?

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Post Post #1343  (isolation #163)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:54 pm

Everyone's voting, though.
What do you think will convince people that aren't voting you or STW to move their votes?

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Post Post #1345  (isolation #164)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:58 pm

What are your reads/thoughts on those who haven't taken a vote stance?
Specifically: Tibor and Lumia, Taly, Michael Scott, pinturicchio, Almost Chara, Kokichi Oma

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Post Post #1347  (isolation #165)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Reminds me a lot of how STW proposed Mewtaph for lynch in Starcraft 1 because Mewtaph was an easy target and STW needed mislynches to win there.

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Post Post #1350  (isolation #166)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:06 pm

...mustang?

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Post Post #1353  (isolation #167)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:12 pm

Yeah, no doubt about it, Mewtaph's town. There's definitely this sense of trying to figure things out and of reads coming from an uninformed space.

Thanks for the reads, too, Mew. It helps in case you do get lynched, regardless of flip. Dunno if you'd be able to provide them all like that in the next 48 if the wagon swings hard on you. I don't think it should, though, 'cus the case for STW scum is way better, imo, and I don't know that enough of those 6 slots would be willing to vote you over STW.


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Post Post #1355  (isolation #168)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:16 pm

Plus, compare Mew's parsing of things out to STW's "This is so obviously scum! Lynch it!" approach, y'know?
It's night and day to me.

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Post Post #1361  (isolation #169)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:10 pm

In post 1359, jjh927 wrote:Wow years ago I was playing mafia in starcraft 2 and now I'm playing starcraft 2 in mafia this is trippy


Wow yeah me too
I think that was actually legit my first mafia experience was playing Mafia on Battlenet in a Starcraft map
Wild

In post 1360, jjh927 wrote:Yeah I don't want to vote the worst

UNVOTE:


You will want to vote them after you read the game
How caught up are you?

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Post Post #1551  (isolation #170)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:55 pm

Any chance of a deadline extension while we've got multiple prods out like that?

Anyway, folks, we've got about 27 hours.
C'mon and slam.

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Post Post #1555  (isolation #171)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:10 pm

In post 1553, Krazy wrote:I will grant a 6 hour extension so the new deadline will be in (expired on 2019-01-17 04:00:38).


I appreciate it.
If we end up needing a replacement on anyone, would we get 48 hours+ for that replacement to catchup/post?

I hope Pint's doing okay...

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Post Post #1558  (isolation #172)  » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:21 pm

Mewtaph's going to flip town.
Vote Shoshin.

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Post Post #1610  (isolation #173)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:28 am

In post 1592, Shoshin the worst wrote:Varsoon if you're actually comfortably town I think it's incredible you're not self aware enough to realise how pocketable you are via your deathtunneled on us. this wagon is never 100% town


Ay, baybee, who's pocketing me?

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Post Post #1613  (isolation #174)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:54 am

My opinion is that the slot sorts itself, like it always has when he's claimed IC.

1. Nope, read the quote above. I believe he's got a role that he feels will hard-confirm him as town.
2. He lies about these things most of the time, but the lies are more misdirects than outright lies.

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Post Post #1614  (isolation #175)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:54 am

-V, btw

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Post Post #1617  (isolation #176)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:08 am

No, no, no, Jimothy, I think that Kokichi BELIEVES his role will confirm him and is willing to take a lynch later if it does not. Of course, you can see how well that shook out for town in SC1.

He's claimed IC in every single game I've been in with him lately so /shrug?
It's not something to be taken at face value.
You should probably judge him based on his play otherwise.

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Post Post #1620  (isolation #177)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:01 am

It's definitely a factor. For me, I take it as a claim that, based on his role, he should be considered town rather than scum, and that he believes that, or, at least, is willing to fake that belief at the expense of getting lynched down the line.

I don't think his play's been great, no. I wish he'd actually lay down some content. He's been very non-present and that bugs me.
But it's nothing that can't be solved, y'know?

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Post Post #1622  (isolation #178)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:24 am

Who started that goofy 'soul read' nonsense?
I can't stand it
It's like
If it's a gut read, just say that
'soul read' implies something more and it's goofed
like
Oh man I did the tarot cards for you and I destiny-read you as town but doomed to bring calamity
like what the shit is that
get that outta here

soul read

stupid.

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Post Post #1626  (isolation #179)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:01 am

Oh, that does remind me:
@STW: What about your read on Taly? Surely, by now, you can explain what you were so elusive about earlier. right?

They're a great lynch because they're likely to flip scum and even if they don't, it's high info.
Koki and Mewtaph? Low info, shit lynches, trash flips, probably not worth.

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Post Post #1627  (isolation #180)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:02 am

Especially Koki who has little in the way of interactions or meaningful content to bind him to other players.

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Post Post #1630  (isolation #181)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:10 am

Townflip on STW tells me why my kill failed.
Townflip on STW gives huge info due to the huge interactions people have had with STW and STW has had with people and wagons.

Townflip on Koki tells me jack and shit other than what I already know--people are pushing him 'cus it's easy and people don't like to challenge themselves

wow

it's fucking nothing

Spine up, Nut up, let's lynch STW.

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Post Post #1631  (isolation #182)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:11 am

In post 1629, Michael Scott wrote:I'll be looking at associations TO Kokichi, not associations FROM Kokichi.
A scumflip there would make STW clearly town in my eyes.
Then I'd start looking at how people interacted with his slot OR what they said about it, at various points in D1 - is that not useful in your view?

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For what it's worth, I am positive scum STW would bus garbage-scum Kokichi here given the pressure I laid on them

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Post Post #1633  (isolation #183)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:57 am

Then how do you feel about the fact that I could've shot and killed STW this early in the game?
Who do you think should be shot?

I don't recall that game--I have shite for memory.
What I do know is we're at less than 24 hours and we don't have a lynch, which highly indicates that scum's avoiding all-in'ing on any one wagon, so we need town to push this through.


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Post Post #1634  (isolation #184)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:58 am

I don't think STW does us any favors, if town. I think they're a liability to have around.
That's why I shot at them.

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Post Post #1636  (isolation #185)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:09 am

There's literally less than 24 hours left.

We just aren't going to see eye to eye on STW.
That's okay.
I'll just shoot them tomorrow.

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Post Post #1638  (isolation #186)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:13 am

If you don't see the problems with the way they interacted with me and jockeyed and positioned this entire day phase when I've pointed them out time and time again, there's no use.

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Post Post #1651  (isolation #187)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:50 am

@Jimmothy: Don't feel like discussing it. Like I said, the devil's in the interactions, really. I don't like their interactions. I thought I spelled that out before?

In post 1642, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why do people vote people who havent played the game. Pin is a mislynch prob. Lynch shoshin


I wish you WOULD play the fucking game.


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Post Post #1654  (isolation #188)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:55 am

Huh.
I wasn't even aware of the disparity between post 5 and the first post, actually.
When people were saying EVERYONE was between me and STW, I thought it was either sarcasticly implying Mephisto blocked the shot or they were counting weird.

Interesting that AlmostChara and Mephisto are the ones aware of that
Maybe I'm just actually dumb.

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Post Post #1667  (isolation #189)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:35 pm

Kinda wish I was a cop instead of a vig.

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Post Post #1669  (isolation #190)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:35 pm

It would be way less interesting/demanding that way, though.

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Post Post #1671  (isolation #191)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:38 pm

We really need to consolidate on a wagon ASAP
Otherwise we're not going to get a flip and that's awful

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Post Post #1678  (isolation #192)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:57 pm

Yeah, having limited access based on your own health is limited access.
I know some of our users take V/LA on weekends because they want to spend that time with their family or due to having regular obligations where they just can't be around on weekends.

Glad you're doing well, Pint. I really am looking forward to you ballin' and shot-callin'.

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Post Post #1684  (isolation #193)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:20 pm

So someone's scum because they 'acted different' in a recent towngame?
Like no shit Mew's gonna 'act different'
This is a different game
And the way he acted in that game got him mislynched and then town lost
So why the fuck would town!Mew act THE SAME?

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Post Post #1734  (isolation #194)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:56 pm

In post 1695, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 1175, Varsoon wrote:Didn't you pull the same thing in the first Starcraft?
"Well yeah but you gotta find my teammates anyway so waste time doing that lol"

K thx but no

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btw meant to comment that I agree with this
Gamma, lover of nostalgia



Oh wow STW proposes stalling out the day 'searching for teammates' and here we are, 12 hours to deadline, with only 1/2 the votes needed for a lynch on the biggest wagon

Who would've guessed?
Who called it?

But FUCK listening to Varsoon
THAT DUDE is NEVER right!

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Post Post #1738  (isolation #195)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:08 pm

I'm kinda unsure what the numbers next to people's names in the VC stand for.

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Post Post #1739  (isolation #196)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:08 pm

Where was Mew rude in this game?

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Post Post #1740  (isolation #197)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:09 pm

Also, I don't really know that a 'rudeness tell' holds weight.
correlation is not causation

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Post Post #1742  (isolation #198)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:19 pm

Player's individual post count or...
'cus I don't know that that even lines up right
I'm a bit lost on how to follow it.
At first I thought it correlated to the post number of when the player voted.


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Post Post #1745  (isolation #199)  » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:23 pm

Why's JJH a better wagon now?

Also, I could drop like 20 scumtells right now, want me to?
Tells are garbage, meta's unreliable in forum mafia, etc. etc.
I'm the dude that got banned for making it reliable
You think people would listen to me on that point

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