In post 1236, Michael Scott wrote:And @The Worst, what are your thoughts on Pinturicchio incorrectly applying this as a “towntell” for your slot?
In post 1257, Mewtaph wrote:Lynch pool for being scummy: {Alchemist21, Almost Chara, Shoshin the worst}
Up for policy lynch: {Nancy}
Steamrolling with the biggest wagon that forms on any of these three + Nancy.
In post 1260, Mewtaph wrote:In post 1125, u r a person 2 wrote:I don't see any disconnect between 204 and 297
There is. That's his first game-advancing content and 297 completely misinterprets the second half of my question. His "I'm not redoubling on the mistakes I messed up" reads as AtE. I wouldn't buy it if I were you.
In post 1261, Mewtaph wrote:In post 1258, Michael Scott wrote:@Mewtaph: Alchemist rebutted your attack on him, you left it at that though - why?
Rationale for STW, Almost Chara?
Why a policy lynch on Nancy?
~Jimothy
It's how scum would respond from beginning to end. Me trying to push Alchemist through here requires thread presence I don't have - Nancy is acting as a huge obstacle to me pushing him at all and reflecting votes onto me in a very destructive manner.
Tl;dr, the rebuttal is how a scum responds and the basis of his approach to me isn't how town thinks. I'm not responding to a hard SR
In post 1264, Mewtaph wrote:On AC: They aren't a town read and I'm much more interested in exploring where Kokichi is going with this rather than discarding what he's saying completely and toss him into the "ML and ignore" pile. A50 has been notably "muted" in presence compared to what I expect from him in other games, so if someone has a chip on the Chara head then I'm willing to roll with a wagon on them.
In post 1266, Mewtaph wrote:This isn't how town responds to reacting to something stopping a public dayvig shot on them "outside of their knowledge" by the way.
In post 1294, Mewtaph wrote:I don't know what you're trying to achieve with your posts other than discredit me and insist that I'm scum, and yes, I don't town read you at all for your approach to Varsoon.
In post 1307, Mewtaph wrote:This is not town. This is not how town approaches the game. Alchemist is not town.
In post 1310, Varsoon wrote:Like when I'm struggling with a game and doing my best to engage, when people call my play a joke, I often type out several very violent threats and then backspace them because I don't actually mean them, but I am very pissed off.
-V
In post 1327, Almost Chara wrote:i finally, finally, understand what Mewtaph is saying about Alchemist with respect to those two posts.
i think there have been some issues with word choice/communication that have made something simple seem a lot more complicated than it was.
i'm agreeing with the Mewtaph townread, though it's not that strong. don't feel like lynching him today. my reasons are essentially the same as Varsoon's.
~Chara
In post 1355, Varsoon wrote:Plus, compare Mew's parsing of things out to STW's "This is so obviously scum! Lynch it!" approach, y'know?
It's night and day to me.
-V
In post 1381, Almost Chara wrote:hey STW, i'll answer in a second, but i've been wondering why you're townreading us so much. i think you said earlier why (even if i don't remember), but are you paranoid of our slot at all?
~Chara
In post 1387, ProFlavor wrote:In post 1379, Shoshin the worst wrote:Mewtaph is still a great vote if people pull their heads out but I'm losing faith in this list rapidly
This is a false bravado and an attempt to discredit the player list.
I feel we’re actually a strong playerlist, and whoever said this is attempting to cause doubt within town.
It’s Day 1. Nobody should genuinely have that kind of attitude towards the game state.
~Leaf
In post 1389, ProFlavor wrote:Kokichi is also mislynch bait this early in the game. Shoshin is super scum.
~Leaf
In post 1392, ProFlavor wrote:The fact that Varsoon, Mewtaph, and I are the three on Shoshin right now shows me that this is more than likely a scum slot.
Varsoon is hard town here. I’ve recently gotten to witness directly both townVarsoon and scumVarsoon, and really I’ve known Varsoon for like 4 and a half years now, so I’m pretty happy with my read there.
Mewtaph is town for the wagon composition. Mustang and Nancy pushing onto a townie the way they did makes total sense, and then people, and scumShoshin, decide to jump on to Mewtaph.
This also semi incriminates Jjh slot, but I’ll let them catchup first.
I realize my slot will probably be tried to use as a counterwagon option after pushing Shoshone like this, so unless you wanna try to 1v1 me and out explain the damn awful play it would have been to let Mewtaph live in this situation as scum...well, go for it. I could have just kept not playing the game and allowing Profii to play in that situation. Mewtaph likely would have been killed.
So there, Mewtaph and I would have to be scum together AND you’d have to think I would Super obviously protect them in this position AND I would hard town read Varsoon, a solid player who I know would very much end up tunneling me if he thinks I’m scum.
Long story short, Only town are on the Shoshin wagon right now. Bet.
In post 1394, Almost Chara wrote:it's a foolish one if so (not that i'm discounting your interpretation).
what's pretty bizarre to me is the belief that Kokichi's alignment has anything to do with mine here, as though his bad meta read on me has credence provided he's town.
but Leaf, do you think STW decides to have their cake and eat it too, by which i mean continuing to have us as strong town while also trying to lynch someone i don't want to lynch, and leave us open as a target on later days?
and thanks for the answer, Nancy.
~Chara
In post 1399, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 1396, u r a person 2 wrote:In post 1392, ProFlavor wrote:So there, Mewtaph and I would have to be scum together AND you’d have to think I would Super obviously protect them in this position AND I would hard town read Varsoon, a solid player who I know would very much end up tunneling me if he thinks I’m scum.
Can I think that Mew is scum and that you are wrong!town or was there a logic piece that makes that not possible?
+1
In post 1402, ProFlavor wrote:Wagon composition shows Mewtaph as town. Break it down elsewise if you think otherwise.
~Leaf
In post 1410, ProFlavor wrote:
I have.
Nothing scummy really from Mewtaph, you and Mustang have a tendency to tunnel onto townies, then the near lynch.
If you’re town, then you should feel scum followed you onto the wagon, tbh.
In post 1421, ProFlavor wrote:But I definitely feel the lack of resistance towards Mewtaph prior to me coming in implies Mewtaph town.
In post 1422, ProFlavor wrote:What do you mean I’m not?
I feel I’m spouting it out pretty clearly.
He’s done nothing scummy, the 2 players who started it are known to tunnel, and there was no resistance before me.
That right there near locks him into town.
And this is BEFORE actually analyzing his play.
He’s been actively giving reads. He’s been asking questions. He’s been in the spot where he’s taking on multiple players at once. This is the epitome of a mislynch. He’s being extremely genuine, and showing thoughts of figuring out the game.
Mixed in with this and my town read of Varsoon, while seeing that U R A and Nancy are confused and trying to figure it out, I feel STW is near lock scum.
Honestly, probably with Mustang here.
In post 1597, ProFlavor wrote:Anyone who doesn’t want to vote STW can you tell me why the difficulty of getting the wagon together isn’t scum indicative please
~ woof
In post 1594, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 1589, Shoshin the worst wrote:{STW}
{Varsoon} - either conftown or obvscum. no one forget this ever.
{Meph39}
{Tibor and Lumia}
{Alchemist21}
{u r a person 2, Almost Chara}
^^^ prrrrrobably all town in order of confidence. if I'm wrong on a townread I think it's urap2/ac but I don't feel wrong on them
{ProFlavor}
{Michael Scott}
^^^ old townreads I can't remember if I like anymore
untiered:
Kokichi
jjh927
Mewtaph
Taly
Is your untiered list, ordered?
If so, why is Taly at the bottom? I have a hard gut townread on him.
Also, why does Profilhead seem kind of townie and Eraserleaf, more like flaming scum?
In post 1756, Varsoon wrote:In post 996, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 43, Taly wrote::D so much opportunity to get pocketed!!
._. im gonna have to reread that playerlist movement night action stuff arent i?
not feeling the kokichi IC claim but i slight townvibe it anyway
VOTE: Almost Chara
RVS is bullshit but square up w me, both heads now
~ Taly
Taly's RVS post is what originally scumpinged me.
I don't think he's really done anything outside his scumrange (not anything particularly towny). Taly do you disagree? If I'm grossly misreading you here, help me see where I'm wrong. A lot your defence of yourself & probing of other slots has kind of skated around the centre; the way you do as scum (e.g. PYPX/Y).
> the pocketed comment & the thing wrt rereading playerlist movement just feels forced and stiff. I think there's a hesitation in Taly's tonality through the thread, so far, which I can't not notice.
> the comment about not feeling Kokichi's IC claim but townvibing it is absolutely bizarre. I can see this coming from someone who played SCM1 and liked the laissez-faire comedic entry to the thread but I literally can't see any reason to be townpinged by Kokichi lolclaiming IC and then lurking it out. This doesn't feel like critical reading so much as an agenda/TMI'd read and I think it's the kind of slip-up scum do make while still in RVS.
> RVS bullshit thing is incredibly forced (fwiw voting AC in rvs doesn't seem beneficial to me but I feel like I'm the only person onsite who enjoys RVS for content)
Is it really just "His RVS post scumpinged me."
Like
Is that really why you were so evasive on taking a hard scumread there early?
-V
In post 1760, Varsoon wrote:So you lied about having a hard scumread there because you wanted Taly's posts to be more organic?
-V
In post 1762, Varsoon wrote:Don't you think Taly's posts would be even more unbiased if you hadn't claimed a scumread on the slot or been elusive about saying why you were scumreading it?
If you had just straightforwardly addressed what was scummy (I'm still not even sure what post 'scumpinged' you), that seems like the proper way of doing things.
It really seems like you just made up a reason to have what seemed like an informed read, and then used that to position re: a townslot you knew you could drag down.
-V
In post 1765, Varsoon wrote:So, if you scumread those posts, why didn't you just say so right away and push Taly over it?
-V
In post 1768, Varsoon wrote:I 100% would have approached it differently.
If you're town here, being furtive is literally what drew my shot to you.
Why would you be anything besides straightforward and transparent in your methods when there's a MOD CONFIRMED vigilante in the setup?
-V
In post 1783, Tibor and Lumia wrote:In post 1773, Shoshin the worst wrote:Brass straight up why are you voting us?
The VC has legitimately two viable lynches at this point, you or jjh. You and Varsoon have been bickering the entirety of day 1 and that's a distraction.
I don't have a particularly strong read either way on jjh right now.
Therefore, your lynch is, in my view, a better option, regardless of how well the worst and I get along.
-Bharold
In post 1788, Tibor and Lumia wrote:because a lynch is better than a no lynch. No promises that it is not yours if this does not pan out to be viable.
In post 1800, Varsoon wrote:I do buy that Nico was legit upset over having been put into a game that they /in to replace for
As for the other stuff, that's all good rationale for why Nico slot should be shot if JJH can't clear.
-V
In post 1799, Varsoon wrote:I'll just shoot that slot tomorrow, then.
People are trying to swing a deadline lynch onto Kokichi while there's no outstanding votes on the wagon.
It's not going to go through.
Compromise onto STW or a wagon that's already got votes, please.
Otherwise, we get no lynch.
-V
In post 1806, Varsoon wrote:Do we even have the 8 active players to drive a lynch there, STW?
That's what I'm saying.
-V
In post 1838, ProFlavor wrote:I’ve only played with Taly a couple of times - he’s usually demands everyone interacts with him but he seems less demanding in this game
Not sure if that is AI
In post 1839, ProFlavor wrote:Was expecting more from JJ - don’t think I’ve ever played with him so idk what it means
In post 1846, Almost Chara wrote:pedit: would not lynch Michael, we can circle back to that discussion day 2.
In post 1851, Almost Chara wrote:In post 1845, Shoshin the worst wrote:yeah Taly's flitting this game hasn't been as towny as it normally is
Chara I'd be keen to see your thoughts too--you townread him in supp2017 before TW realised he had to follow suit.
i can't seem to remember what alignment Taly was in supp right now. was i correct or incorrect, and what do you mean by ducky following suit?
~Chara
In post 1859, Almost Chara wrote:In post 1854, Shoshin the worst wrote:You were right on Taly being town.
Ducky was scum, and when you townread Taly he read over his ISO and realised it was correct play to agree with your townread.
do you ever go back and read a game, and think 'damn, look how decisive i was in this towngame. what happened?'
i'm so afraid of being wrong now that it's hurting all of my games, and my reads.
i plan to roll up my sleeves and find a good read on Taly. tomorrow will give me more time for that, but at the risk of being murdered, i might just do it now.
~Chara
In post 1913, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 1912, Shoshin the worst wrote:No chance Creature is leaving my PoE until he's produced some town indicative content and both of our heads are happy with it - I also want to hear something from Chara before we go down this rabbit hole to be comfortable. Like I said we're not wagoning Taly/Creature today. That's the most I can give you.
Do you think the scumteam is genuinely just straight up those 3? I can...kinda not see a reason to think it's WRONG I just don't feel like we're close enough to a 100% solve when I don't trust either Kokichi or Creature's slot.
I hard townread Taly and Creature’s entrance just locks it in for me. Scum!Creature never adamantly defends himself like that. *lightly smacks TW for not seeing that*
In post 1950, Varsoon wrote:Big sigh
We can't let STW get away with this
If we do
They'll keep getting away with it
They'll just win again
Fuck all of you for letting that happen once
I'm not gonna let it happen again
I SHOT THEM
THEY DID NOT DIE
Come onnnnn
just lynch STW
Don't let them survive
Because I won't make it through the night
and it feels like I AM THE ONLY ONE fighting for their lynch
And I don't want to lose to those guys again
Ever
-V
In post 2219, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 2214, Shoshin the worst wrote:Pintu/Nancy is t/t > s/t >>>> s/s, someone reality check what pintu's saying pls because it's a pretty uncanny scum pocket if it's real
Who would he be pocketing? Certainly not me? Yeah but probably town. Creature also said that and I think you’re wrong about Creature.
In post 2246, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 2243, Shoshin the worst wrote:or ProFlavor pls
Yeah but Pint was here when you were at L-1 and didn’t unvote you, like he should have and Mew is blatantly scum here and yeah, probably Eraserhead too.
We could just no lynch, rather than maj a slot that almost certainly flipping town.
In post 2250, pinturicchio wrote:In post 2248, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 2246, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 2243, Shoshin the worst wrote:or ProFlavor pls
Yeah but Pint was here when you were at L-1 and didn’t unvote you, like he should have and Mew is blatantly scum here and yeah, probably Eraserhead too.
We could just no lynch, rather than maj a slot that almost certainly flipping town.
Did pint explain his reason for flipping on us?
would need to read back
Asociations with scum!Michael Scott + my townreads voting you.
In post 2330, Creature wrote:Yes, Varsoon is claiming a hard guilty on STW.
I guess it's safe enough to believe atleast one of STW/Varsoon must be scum.
In post 2336, Almost Chara wrote:Varsoon, i want to be clear that the only reason i expressed doubt in your claim was because the thought of you willingly holding back a guilty as your tore your hair out over getting the entire town to listen to you on STW was more fantastical to me than you inventing the addition to the role.
but i believe you now.
~Chara
In post 2342, Creature wrote:Did Varsoon hint vigilante before shooting?
In post 2345, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 2341, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 2336, Almost Chara wrote:Varsoon, i want to be clear that the only reason i expressed doubt in your claim was because the thought of you willingly holding back a guilty as your tore your hair out over getting the entire town to listen to you on STW was more fantastical to me than you inventing the addition to the role.
but i believe you now.
~Chara
He also did that after outing himself as a vigilante on d1. lol.
The loyal thing is >>>rand fake
If you flip green than Varsoon is scum.
In post 2356, Kokichi Oma wrote:lynch Chara tomorrow. they were soft defending STW with the no lynch talk