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I could see that.
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Leodanny do you want my answer or creature's?
Oka, that's a discussion better left for MD. If you want RQS, start asking questions. Personally, my solution is usually to just vote the scummiest person even if they haven't done much yet. That's what I did here. Any thoughts on yyotta?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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I took your "I hope not" as genuinely hoping there aren't four scum. I think you're probably too new to have faked that.Leodanny wrote:I want both
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Oka, if you ask questions, I'll humor you. I don't recall a time RQS worked better than RVS, but we've already pretty much had any RVS we're going to so I don't think it can hurt. Do you have any opinions on anyone yet?
Meh, wouldn't be the worst vote.Nero wrote:Can we lynch VOTE: Suka now?
Who specifically do you mean?rb wrote:wow scum trying to move people off the mbaki wagon imo
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If you disagree, why didn't you comment on any of it?In post 102, BrightEyedFish wrote:
New page, new start?In post 101, Kmd4390 wrote:That whole page just felt like shit posting...
But, seriously why was it shit. We are slowly getting things moving along here.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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I actually agree progress was made in about pages 2-3. Just checked in and nothing was relevant since I'd last posted. A short RVS is best.In post 113, BrightEyedFish wrote:
I implied that we are finally starting to get rolling here. I wasn't speaking to a single post just my overall feel. Does this upset you? Would you be happy if we just extended RVS til page 30-40?In post 112, Kmd4390 wrote:I want to know what you found relevant in there because you implied there was something. Seems more productive to focus on what mattered than what didn't.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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I'm curious what makes you feel that way. He's voting Nero who doesn't seem to be a popular target, and has yet to comment on yyotta or oka who each have multiple votes, while saying he doesn't think Suka is scum. I'm not surprised to see a vote on drdolittle, but I wouldn't call him opportunistic.In post 118, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: DrDolittle
Also a good vote.
I don't like how this guy's playing.
Feels opportunistic.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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I'd lean no but it's way too early to figure that out.In post 125, Nero Cain wrote:but is Suka a do little buddy?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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I don't think he's freaking out. I just think nero's mind moves quickly. If anything, this makes him likely town for trying to determine your motivations.In post 132, DrDolittle wrote:cause 129 reads frantic "here's all the ways that I might be mislynched" even though you have like 1 vote.
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1. Why is YyottaCat town?
2. Go through any of my hundreds of games. I don't do the pocketing thing. My scum game is just me trying to match my town game.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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What made you change your mind?In post 230, mbaki wrote:Oh, OkaPoka slight scum side too.
Weird post.In post 102, BrightEyedFish wrote:
New page, new start?In post 101, Kmd4390 wrote:That whole page just felt like shit posting...
But, seriously why was it shit. We are slowly getting things moving along here.
Also, Varsoon is actually closer to scum side than town side on a re-read I reckon.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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So you're saying he's good at town and bad at scum?In post 232, mbaki wrote:I don't know why I had him as town. I re-read the game, and his posts are mediocre for a player of his caliber. Don't love how quickly he changed his YYotta vote and shifted it to Oka, nor his possible pocketing of Nero.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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I see your other post since I asked this saying he's not a scum read, but it seems this has affected the strength of your town read on him so I'll ask anyway: you describe his play as mediocre. Don't you think it's more likely other factors have caused that than his alignment? You acknowledge that he's a good player. You are now acknowledging that his scum game is probably good too. A red PM probably would cause him to get sloppy. I think you're town but I want to encourage critical thinking. Mafia is never as simple as town playing well and scum playing poorly. It's about everyone's motivations and reasons for doing things.In post 249, mbaki wrote:
Just the first 5 words.In post 246, Kmd4390 wrote:
So you're saying he's good at town and bad at scum?In post 232, mbaki wrote:I don't know why I had him as town. I re-read the game, and his posts are mediocre for a player of his caliber. Don't love how quickly he changed his YYotta vote and shifted it to Oka, nor his possible pocketing of Nero.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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Great, but did you actually take in what I was saying?In post 253, mbaki wrote:This will probably mildly annoy you, but 252 is townie.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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Hey I'm working on getting back.In post 271, Nero Cain wrote:b/c L2ers matter not to meKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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k.In post 275, mbaki wrote:
I don't need the advice, but I appreciate you offering it.In post 260, Kmd4390 wrote:
Great, but did you actually take in what I was saying?In post 253, mbaki wrote:This will probably mildly annoy you, but 252 is townie.
If you need an answer, you're interpreting mediocre wrong. It did not live up to my short-term recall of his posts - memory isn't eidetic - but it was not terrible either, hence "meh" or "mediocre". It is not calling his posting mediocre; that is a hard overall scale that is not very relevant. Out of game influences on his posting frequency and quality are not important for this stage of the game.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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You haven't given a single reason for this. Enlighten us. At this point I'm much more likely to vote you than Nero.In post 300, Suka wrote:
It shouldn't matter when there's obvscum. Vote Nero, please!In post 289, Creature wrote:People need to be more obvtownKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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Suka,
You mean this post? Because for a lot of people I'd agree a self focus is scummy but with Nero it's more his personality I think. As for not sorting creature...meh. I see where you are coming from, I just don't see it as damning or Nero being obvscum.In post 267, Nero Cain wrote:hey Creature why haven't you said words about me?
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Interesting timing then. Can you tell me what triggered it if not my comment? You were asked multiple times and never once answered until I asked.Suka wrote:Your comment had nothing to do with it.
Yyotta wrote:VOTE: suka for no reason..?
Why? If anything it's making me doubt myself on suka because it looks like scum seeing a wagon not on them and jumping on.rb wrote:LOL
i'm townreading this
20 minutes gets me through about 2 pages personally but having kids might be part of why.Varsoon wrote:Dude it's a 14 page game
Even if you had to read literally all 341 others posts again, that'd take, what, 20 minutes?
If it doesn't make sense to you, why are you willing to jump on it? I see you were voting Suka when you said this and Suka was the lead wagon. What would be the reason for jumping off? Do you no longer scum read Suka? Actually....I kept reading after typing this and you called Nero vs Suka town vs town. Why were you even voting a town read in the first place?Vorkuta wrote:I'm willing to jump on the DDL wagon (when/if he comes back) even though it doesn't really make sense to me..
I mean... I think yyotta is scum but if calling it a policy lynch will get people to vote there I'm all for it.Vorkuta wrote:If I can get a Yyotta policy wagon going, then I'll get on it.
Newb...Nero wrote:I'm the IC.
Oh wow maybe it really is a newbie game...Suka wrote:Persuading isn't helpful. Besides the obvious problem of confirmation bias, it gives the scum cover to sheep.
I've made my top suspect clear. If someone needs explanation to see that my perspective comes from town, I'm happy to oblige. But don't expect unsolicited explanations. And regardless, I'll never "justify."KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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If Yyotta isn't getting lynched, I'd probably vote Suka.In post 439, Vorkuta wrote:In post 435, Suka wrote:His posts. Especially the one where he votes me.
Well you realize that you aren't exactly scoring brownie points with that reasoning?In post 436, Suka wrote:I'd also be willing to lynch Vorkuta at this point.
With my vote on you, that'll make 6 (4 as per VC, 1 from mbaki right after).
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Jumping on to understand it is something I wouldn't do personally, but I guess I can see where it could make sense. But:
^That sounds more like being ok with the lynch considering the size of the wagon and deadline being a little closer now. Has something changed?Vorkuta wrote:at which point I hop on the suka wagon.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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Why can't scum get to L-2? How do you expect scum to be lynched without first getting to L-2? If that were true we'd no Lynch on day 1 of every game.In post 465, Vorkuta wrote:
Ok I'll play ballIn post 458, OkaPoka wrote:I think suka has a chance of being scum
Suka's posts come off as very pushy for whatever wagon she's feels like pushing and have a very mean time.
Based on the way she posts, I doubt that she's a newbie, and hence I think she's fishing for things.
Like there's no way good scum!suka ends up at L-2 THIS EARLY ON.
I don't like this at all. Satisfying the person asking a question shouldn't take priority over genuinely answering the question as town. It sounds like a scum mindset.vorkuta wrote: I don't know- I didn't roll scum
There's no answer I can give you that will satisfy you.
Being on awful player isn't a town tell.mbaki wrote: It gave me weird town vibes because of how little of a shit it gave, looked like someone who's generally just an awful player rather than scummy
Wow. I had this exact same thought lolmbaki wrote: Suka is still sounding like Mathblade to me.
Why are we letting yyotta live again?yyotta wrote: ok VOTE: mbaki
Why?drdoolittle wrote: think yyotta is town.
This sounds like you pulled up my ISO and skimmed for votes rather than reading it. For example, what do you think my read is on suka? What about on vorkuta?drdoolittle wrote: I don't think Kmd is town. His ISO is a lot of commentary, and like a total of 1 scum read in yyotta?
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Then we're in agreement. Good.In post 563, mbaki wrote:
It is also not a scum tell.In post 562, Kmd4390 wrote:Being on awful player isn't a town tell.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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How do you think he got there?In post 633, OkaPoka wrote:
if im right about how you got here then why not throw yyotta in there tooIn post 629, Creature wrote:
VarsoonIn post 627, OkaPoka wrote:thanks but is there anyone that you don't townread, creature?
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Hmm. Now I have to ask.
Creature, are you just going by post count? Because mine's only low because I actually put everything in one post and don't spam like five posts in a row when I'm catching up.
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That's a weird post to town read. I'd probably defend my activity as scum too.In post 652, rb wrote:
i townread this post tbhIn post 641, Kmd4390 wrote:Hmm. Now I have to ask.
Creature, are you just going by post count? Because mine's only low because I actually put everything in one post and don't spam like five posts in a row when I'm catching up.
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Did you even see my reply to you?In post 705, DrDolittle wrote:I still pref KMD. Willing vorkuta over yyota. Wouldn't be too opposed to my lynch either. I'm a liability on town at this rate especially with this player listKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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Yeah by that logic we need a new wagon because we are all voting town right now. I'd be surprised if that was the case. Also, you opened up quite a bit after being wagoned. Is it because you are about your life? Does that make you scum? (Note: These are mostly rhetorical. Just making my point)In post 723, Suka wrote:If Yyotta were scum, she could be voting Vorkuta/DrDo? I feel like she doesn't care enough about her life to be scum.
Aren't we supposed to be consolidating? Deadline is only 70 hours away.mbaki wrote: VOTE: BrightEyedFishKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't see him do it. Don't work 80 hour weeks and play mafia lolIn post 757, mbaki wrote:
We are also supposed to be voting who we think is most likely to flip scum. I have no issue being online the hours before deadline if it doesn't gain traction. Why arent you telling BEF off for not consolidating and voting me (our wagons were the same size) as well?In post 755, Kmd4390 wrote:
Yeah by that logic we need a new wagon because we are all voting town right now. I'd be surprised if that was the case. Also, you opened up quite a bit after being wagoned. Is it because you are about your life? Does that make you scum? (Note: These are mostly rhetorical. Just making my point)In post 723, Suka wrote:If Yyotta were scum, she could be voting Vorkuta/DrDo? I feel like she doesn't care enough about her life to be scum.
Aren't we supposed to be consolidating? Deadline is only 70 hours away.mbaki wrote: VOTE: BrightEyedFishKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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The reads list I posted would be a good place to start.In post 900, DrDolittle wrote:make kmd point out where he has reads tomorrow. (hint he doesn't)KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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I've already explained leodanny. My reads would also change with flips. For example, I don't think that yyotta and suka are both scum. I think it's probably one or the other. Day 1 isnt about associative tells. It's about lynching g the player you think is most likely to flip scum.In post 903, mbaki wrote:
Speaking of this, I very much question Leodanny's and my own placement, especially with you putting Vorkuta and YYotta below me and them being my primary pushes.In post 670, Kmd4390 wrote:I'll make a list too. Town on top, scum on bottom:
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You really don't think the flip tells us a single thing about who was on or off the wagon, people who reacted to the wagon, or the other day 1 wagons?In post 967, Varsoon wrote:It gives us nothing, imo.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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So I'm trying to figure out if rb's posting towards mbaki is too blatant to be actual crumbing, but...maybe rb assumed he wouldn't be dying soon enough for it to matter?
If mbaki is in fact scum, this sounds like something a buddy would say.
Actually does seem that way...Bright wrote:3 votes and already flailing.
I actually do agree with you here though and if you are town, I think Vorkuta is scum.mbaki wrote:Actually, thinking more about it, I have to go back on what I said. Somebody rb was pushing has to be scum, because he was the most threatening townie (lol) and just being widely townread isn't enough. His top pushes were these 4 I think, and at least 1 has to be scum. Hrm.
*Shrug*. Being wrong sucks but it's happened to me more than enough times on Day 1s that I'm not shocked by it. I've very rarely had perfect reads in a game.Nero wrote:How do you feel knowing that you sat on a town slot all of d1?
wow actually scummy imo. For real this actually does sound like trying to subtly ask rb if he's the traitor but... if that's the case, Vorkuta never shoots rb. I kinda think that if rb was shot by a vig and not town, they need to claim because if that's what happened I think it's likely Vorkuta is scum. If not, I think I'd lean mbaki.Vorkuta wrote:@rb- are you like... breadcrumbing with your 'wow's everywhere?
And this sounds like an intentional attempt to plant WIFOM after mbaki's flip. I hope I'm not just confirmation biasing here but it's like everything mbaki is posting since day start feels like scum. The point mbaki raises against Vorkuta on this page just makes so much sense though. But like I said if that's what happened there is absolutely no world where rb is Vorkutascum's NK. So yeah, I need to see a claim from a vig who shot rb in order to buy that. Vorkuta could still be scum who shot rb but that would mean he thought rb was crumbing a power role or something and not traitor. And actually the more I think about that, the more plausible it sounds.Mbaki wrote:VOTE: Vorkuta
Perhaps he's my partner, or perhaps I'm not scum. Whichever world you live in, that post is horrendous.
*sigh*. I dunno. I'm confident that one of the two is scum. I just need to think more to figure out which one it is. mbaki's push on Vorkuta does make me think they aren't scum together. I think I lean mbaki as well though.Oka wrote:Still prefer mbaki lynch to vorkuta, though revelations are interesting. We can lynch vorkuta tomorrow.
Hmm. Yeah I can agree with that.Oka wrote:mbaki's self vote pushes it over the edge for me. The difference between mbaki selfvoting and your typical rage!town self-voter is that mbaki isn't the type of player who self-votes, based on what he said about yyotta. Either he was lying about his opinion on yyotta or he was manufacturing rage. pick whatever reason you want, mbaki is the scummier player.
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mbaki showed rb's reply to this and it's pretty hard to see that as no information if Vorkuta's post was in fact a traitor fishing post. And I'd be shocked if someone put a post like that out there, found the traitor, and then forgot about it.In post 1129, DrDolittle wrote:
not sure if i agree here.In post 1127, Kmd4390 wrote:wow actually scummy imo. For real this actually does sound like trying to subtly ask rb if he's the traitor but... if that's the case, Vorkuta never shoots rb.
could be that vork got no information or simply forgot 181?
No. I'm still deciding. Why the hurry?Oka wrote:kmd vote mbaki please
The difference is that if Vorkuta's post was basically asking rb "are you the traitor", it shows that he was actively looking. I don't see anything that shows you actively looking. So it makes more sense that you'd accidentally kill your traitor than that Vorkuta would, especially considering that his actively looking was directed at rb. However, actively looking for a traitor would show knowledge that a traitor exists, so that's more of a point against Vorkuta than you. That's why this decision is hard. I can see either of you as scum depending on what angle I'm working out my logic from.mbaki wrote:You can apply the exact same thing to me; rb's crumbs are damn obvious to me (roleplaying here), that is not something I would miss and especially so with the attention I was already paying to him. It is a continuum because the more obvious the traitor is the less sense it makes for scum to kill them. This was the sole thing holding me back on Vorkuta, but I'm chalking it up to that happening early in the day and his inexperience led him to succumb to recency bias. Recency shows rb voting him and pushing for his lynch, combined with rb being a very widely townread player.
Well the first sentence was my first impression of your post. But I do see where you are coming from and you've raised good points.mbaki wrote:This paragraph went from bad to good, but I would like you to consider the ridiculousness of that first sentence Especially because you've agreed with multiple of my points. And yes, they very well could have thought rb was crumbing a power role, since that is what he agreed to partially.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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Still feels risky from his point of view. Anyone who you have a thought about being traitor is someone you avoid killing just in case they are. Seems like he'd just pick someone else that makes zero sense as a traitor, especially on N1.In post 1169, DrDolittle wrote:@kmd my thought against that is, vork thought process is wow imo rb could be traitor but rb has been pushing me hard all game day 1 nah I might be overthinking this let's kill him wow imoKMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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What specifically makes you think he's taking it rather than just is genuinely new, doesn't know what a traitor is, and is being accused of things he doesn't know anything about? And I'm still not convinced he'd put out a feeler toward the, get the reaction he got, and just immediately NK RB. It just doesn't add up. I admit that when I first saw it, it made sense. But after some thought I just don't see it. I mean maybe he's still scum because his play isn't exactly anything I've townread, but I just don't think you have a valid point on the traitor thing.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare- Kmd4390
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The only way I can see it is if he thought RB was crumbing a power role and not traitor.In post 1195, mbaki wrote:
I'm sorry, I just think you're flat out wrong here. And again, if you end up voting me today that's fine, but I want a guarantee you vote Vorkuta tomorrow when I flip town. It probably doesn't help his case that before today he was likely my strongest scumread, with some not good posting including that post towards Nero. And, as you've already agreed with, at least one scum and probably both were being pushed by rb for him being killed to make sense. Guess who was rb's hardest* push?In post 1192, Kmd4390 wrote:What specifically makes you think he's taking it rather than just is genuinely new, doesn't know what a traitor is, and is being accused of things he doesn't know anything about? And I'm still not convinced he'd put out a feeler toward the, get the reaction he got, and just immediately NK RB. It just doesn't add up. I admit that when I first saw it, it made sense. But after some thought I just don't see it. I mean maybe he's still scum because his play isn't exactly anything I've townread, but I just don't think you have a valid point on the traitor thing.
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I think I'd prefer a suka Lynch to yours. If it has to be you or vorkuta then yeah I've pretty much decided.In post 1202, mbaki wrote:So are you going to place your vote on me, then? You sound like you've made your mind up long ago.
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Ok. I may have some free time Sunday, football permitting. If not, Monday for sure. Still got family here for the holidays.In post 1265, OkaPoka wrote:grumble grumble
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