BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[Cheeky Dancer]

O_o did Elsa just scum claim?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Traitor and Miller aren't the same thing. Optimal play for a miller is to claim in your first post...at least before the first night phase...seriously wtf?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

No, I claimed traitor awhile ago Cheeky. I bolded it.

Help me out here in dying and taking out TLK as a possibility of being a Scum. In this setup trusting a SS is horrible. Get rid of me AND him.

See the thing is that you could kill 2 townies for your life with this play. There's so much to go on I don't even know why this play is what you've resorted to. It's not like there aren't other slots who could be deeper wolves that we need to dig up.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

NKA is a really mixed bag. Its pretty null, Theta could have shot a50 and a50 could have been shot by not Theta.

@Cheeky. Didn't you call Theta scum?

Did I? I don't care about them and their 10 posts so I'd rather let them be the vig than the lynch today.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Ugh.

[Cheeky Dancer]

I vaguely remember that you did and I wanted to ask you why she's wasn't a town read for the same season that Ram's a town read but on the recent catchup I did see that you wanted her vigged.

I didn't maybe Performer did. Also I don't know what it is you're asking here.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Hey side note. Resting heart rate of 102, should I be concerned?

Uh. Probably go get advice from medical people?

If it is abnormal for you then consider any possible reasons that could impact on the rate. See a doctor immediately if you feel short of breath, dizzy or have a very strong headache.

[Cheeky Dancer]

If there is a slot designated for scum it outs them at some point. There would be an out of wack rotation where x slot shows up as a rep more often than they should.

That assumes there are less scum than dayphases-1. Which is highly unlikely given there are vig shots as prizes and whatever else we don't know about yet.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

If there is a slot designated for scum it outs them at some point. There would be an out of wack rotation where x slot shows up as a rep more often than they should.

That assumes there are less scum than dayphases-1. Which is highly unlikely given there are vig shots as prizes and whatever else we don't know about yet.

~ C

That also assumes only 1 day rep can be scum at a time.

I thought we were arguing about the one optional slot - the other 3 could be scum but for now we're assuming those are related to game winners. As the OP said that game participants rotate then I'd assume that the only time we see double ups as dayreps is when they were a Dayrep D1 and happened to win again later. Since scum can forgo using their placement I fhink they'd be onto it enough to ensure they didn't overrep anyone to make it obvious.

Tl;dr a designated slot for scum doesn't out scum at any point due to overreps as they can choose not to use it.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Maybe a watcher or tracker caught a scum roleblocker visiting them. Maybe there is no scum roleblocker, or they only have one shot and didn't want to use it. All that is potential info for the town. NOT for the scum.

But how is prematurely outing any kind of investigative, ever good for town? Doesn’t it just inform scum to avoid those slots?

Is BEF town? (People who are familiar with him)

[Cheeky Dancer]

Oh uh misquoted sorry.

[Cheeky Dancer]

{Ultimate Liars, Theta Alpine, Gamma Emerald, Something_Smart}
{Mcqueen, Karmeleon}

I'm fine lynching in here today. Would prefer if UL/Theta were vigged.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I’m not getting a great feeling about SS’s outing minor investigatives posts. What is your take on that?

I'm not worried about that because I don't think scum are silly enough to blatantly rolefish. I do worry about the Xtoxm votes at EOD1 though - I think there is at least 1 scum between mcqueen/SS. Based on SS blowing up with frustration earlier I think mcqueen is more likely.

[Cheeky Dancer]

I haven’t gotten a chance to check out the scumgames he linked but he does seem to be very sincere about his opinions/reads and he is doing a lot more here than in Overkill 2 (where he was town)

I read those games. I noticed he does try harder as scum so I'm a little concerned with his efforting here and also with a few things he's said. I will say he feels a little less stiff in this game though and I haven't noticed any blatant resemblances so I'm flip flopping there.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Yes I'm getting over it Nancy lol.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

The Last Knight (4) -- RCEnigma, Elsa Jay, profii, Karmeleon
Alonzo (2) -- Emperors New Groove, Cheeky Dancer
Ramcius (3) -- Gamma Emerald, The Last Knight, Nero Cain
BrightEyedFish (1) -- Nev and Max
RCEnigma (1) -- Theta Alpine
Gamma Emerald (2) -- Alonzo, Ramcius
Elsa Jay (1) -- McQueen
Thanos (1) -- DrewVa

Unknown: Thanos, Ultimate Liars, Davesaz, Almost Chara, Thea Alpine, Xtoxm, BrightEyedFish, Emperor FlippyNips, Something_Smart

This was the last snapshot from TLK before the EOD VC if that helps anyone see anything. My eyes are blurry from reading my phone screen too long lol.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

{Ultimate Liars, Theta Alpine, Gamma Emerald, Something_Smart}
{Mcqueen, Karmeleon}

I'm fine lynching in here today. Would prefer if UL/Theta were vigged.

~ C

Why are you only okay with half of the top segment being vigged?

I'd be fine with any of them vigged tbh. I'd prefer we didn't lynch those ones specifically because they're low info slots.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I assume this is a joke regarding [redacted] and McQueen goes straight in with the vote on me.

Yeah it was that joke

Mcqueen was saying things to shade you before that point, but it doesn't look like he was ever ballsy enough to vote you. I sense a lot of waiting for the right spots to jump on people to scumread/going with consensus play. I really didn't like him using sheeping me as an excuse to vote Xtoxm. He's a good vote, still waiting for him to catch up.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Every time I read the thread there's a different angle pushed lol. Let's at least try to work together.

What angles do you see, which do you think we should work together on?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

{The Last Knight, Elsa Jay, BrightEyedFish, Thanos, RCEnigma}

These are the reads I'm flip flopping on if anyone has a read here one way or the other that would help.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I think Elsa/TLK should die together however because they've both outted passive abilities it might be best to leave them until the game has thinned out some as there are likely to be bigger threats and if either are lying/not telling the full truth/do not seem to be cooperating with town then it will become obvious.

Mcqueen looks frozen. So far I know 3 of us are voting him - Xtoxm, Profii and myself.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Reading cheeky posts today is like I'm reading my own thoughts

**Pocketing attempt successful**

[Cheeky Dancer]

Yeah responding to one argument isn't going to do it for me Mcqueen. Here are some other arguments you may have missed

- You hedging on Drewva today
- You hedging on Profii yesterday
- You hard defending EFN for no reason D1 except because he was a "random"
- You not having your own scumreads by day end and sheeping my vote on Xtoxm. When I changed my mind you still tried to encourage it yet today you say you only voted him because of me.
- Your unexplained townread of something smart D1.

I think I may have missed some other points but this will do for now.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I'm happy to quote all these issues in your ISO if that makes it easier?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Why can't Alonzo be scum buds with EFN?

[Cheeky Dancer]

Cos he's dead...

Oh right I forgot that once a scum player died they were no longer able to be buddies with people.

I thought you were being sarcastic. Moonlogic or not that read is very strange and smells like rump.

On a sidenote I think Performer has left me I'll have to see if he's coming back or if this has turned into a soli mission.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Well she claims she crumbed traitor to mean miller...which is like crumbing mafia to mean town. Traitors can only be mafia - and as a miller she should've claimed in her first post if she wanted to be taken seriously. She's willing to "die" via the "supersaint" though so meh.

[Cheeky Dancer]

This is a thing that I honestly havent read. Sorry yall.

Koki can we at least get some reads from you?
@TLK do you still think ENG is scum?

Hopefully Elsa or UL/Kokichi.

I thought Kokichi’s re-entrance in the thread was townie. He made it a point of stating that it was Hebi that voted us, so he isn’t sr us and I think that scum!Kokichi would not hesitate to have jumped on our wagon. So, I’m not currently interested in voting there. .

Why would scum koki not hesitate to vote you? And why you over anyone else?

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

What you guys think about using DrewVa's gifted vig shot on Elsa? I'd rather get rid of it early and avoid vig shenanigans later on

Probably means you are today's Lynch then. But I'm fine with Elsa being vigged.

Idea: by this point if mcqueen doesn't go through somehow, EJ could vig him.

[Cheeky Dancer]

I find it hard to take EJ's claims seriously, having played with them in the limbo large theme game.

Also, finding it hard to read GE/Nev/EJ/Koki.

@Ram other than Nero, who are your townreads.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

When I read this game everything feels null and I don't get why. Maybe the vote mechanic? Iunno.

I'm really sorry tho. Will see if I can glean anything frkm this but literally I don't know what to do here and I'm sorry about that

- Ari

What about 3740 from TLK , still having an sr on you? How come you didn't find that worthy of responding to??

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Welcome to the dance floor, my ex-scum teammate Una!

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I have an announcement...

Theta Alpine has been replaced by UnaBombah!

Yeah, UnaH is here!

As Aizen of Bleach would ask, why are you enthusiastic about this?

Starting to read now, I'm working for 8 hours BUT I assume I can read something like.. ~4 hours of that.
That's work for you.

I'll do lots of walling and quotes and stupid self-pondering while catching up, (and I REFUSE TO CHECK WHO HAS FLIPPED SO FAR OR WHAT), and I won't be checking new posts while I do that.
So hold your questions until the end of my self-entitled monologue.
Thanks!

You replaced into theta , who was a top sr . It'll take time for you to catch up but I'm interested to hear your reads before I day vig you
cop you

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Oh Hi Una nice to see you

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I feel like nero/mcqueen could be svt or svs but not tvt if that makes sense.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Not TvT. One of CheekyDancer/profii is scum.

Explain please?? O_o

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Oh no Una is scum

You're terrible with your logic slips as scum Una lmao.

[Cheeky Dancer]

adding to sr: nev because he's been making some fluff posts .

Still scumreading una/theta - his statement of 1 of us/prof is scum , later saying he did that to reaction test not us but profi - sounded very suspicious .
I know we're town & prof is a tr of mine as well . I also agree with una's statement that his scum play is strong....not sure what he was getting at with announcing that though - maybe a LAMIST attempt? Not sure what CheekyTeeky meant about una's logic slip?

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changed to null: koki because he deliberately is being hard to read when I asked him for reads for instance...and he shows up with a fluff post

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Starting to think TLK is actually town pr of SS , due to his case on ENG being a continued sr of his. Also, partly due to ENG ignoring my question about why they thought there was nothing substantial to address right after TLK cased ENG of being scum.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Why would Aizen ask that and not one of several other characters, wat (don’t spoil pls, at the beginning of the Arrancar arc)
But in seriousness, UnaH was in the last Booneytoonz game and is one of the “Boon Babes” so for him to be here is a nice event.

Huh, good point GE. Another character from Bleach would probably ask that instead of Aizen.
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sr still: the hydra from 3732 who didn't reply about it

[Cheeky Dancer]

Oh no Una is scum

You're terrible with your logic slips as scum Una lmao.

Can you detail the logic slips, please?

~The Mind Stone

No

Oh no Una is scum

You're terrible with your logic slips as scum Una lmao.

Either a poor attempt at a joke, or just plain wrong.

No

@Cheeky Hydra

What are your thoughts on the Ram case. It's a little strange that you haven't said anything about it for a long time. Are you still grasping to your idea that Ram is obvtown?

Yes

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

BEF I thought you were town until I didn't.

Scum shade not to do 101:

"It's strange you haven't said anything for a long time"
"Are you still grasping to your idea"

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

No I'm not offended just confused about you bringing it up specifically about us when - we have talked about Ram and I don't see how anything could have changed our opinion since then. Also the way you're phrasing your wondering looks more like you're trying to shade us than you actually being interested in anything we have to say. It makes me think that us attacking Una or possibly Nero has triggered you to start pushing us. *dear diary BEF started shading us when we were pushing on Nero/Una. Not sure what that means yet*

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Well BEF to clarify our stance on Ram - we have already agreed with the sore thumb theory - he could be scum however as we only have a sample size of 1 to determine how the dayreps are chosen then we would like to see if scum!ram is outted down the line when it becomes obvious he is the scum placement. For now I think it's unlikely for aforementioned reasons.

I also liked his vote on TLK so it's enough for me to try and find scum through scumhunting instead of unconfirmed tinfoil theories. If a new reason has been discussed to suspect scum Ram then you should present it again because we've probably missed it.

~ c

[Cheeky Dancer]

This is a good scum tell on Una generally

What are Una's logic slips?

Profii, I can't understand how you would say his slips are only obvious if we know his alignment yet not suspect us of being scum?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I think Creature is scum and he just spewed mcqueen town. I'm going to move my vote.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

That's a good point but I think that's outside Creature’s scumrange tbh. I think he's WKing to look towny.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Doneburger ^^

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Mcqueen I can't be bothered but I disagreed with a lot of what you said and I do think you went from being really waffly/active to being frozen after I tunnelled you. I want to read you as town but I don't get your read progression on us - it just didn't make sense to me. Being so hot and cold makes it look like you're testing the water.

I could go Unah if anyone else is interested in wagoning that. I was serious about BEF too. Creature might be town but I've seen him stray from his scum meta before - I did like him helping out with some reads though. I will say that people who insta towned him based on content are suspect though.

So who's down for Unah?

[Cheeky Dancer]

Ugh xtoxm I'm weirding out about mcqueen fighting so hard.

[Cheeky Dancer]

I'm going to vote Unah. How did whoever it is know about the number of scum? Do we know the number of scum?

[Cheeky Dancer]

Ok well I don't buy it as a way to townread Unah.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Vote Unah for a viable wagon!

[Cheeky Dancer]

Lol changed your mind again Mcqueen?

[Cheeky Dancer]

end the day

your vote for that doesn't count itt though

Aren't we not supposed to be outting winners though?

I think it's a good idea to know how the day reps are chosen.

Does anyone know though? I still don't know. I thought the theory about at least 1 scum in them was a decent theory but I don't know how we can act on that.

This is a sad day for town...

not really
the game state is objectively good
3 useless town roles and scum pr dead
just need to get back to lynching scum

I wish we were scum, so we could pocket you, xtox.
Funny thing is, I WOULD say that as scum.
Also, "3 useless town" ?? Disagreed with that.

I gave the sticky fruit to my loyal dude so hopefully they can give it to someone tonight to 'cop' someone

I also did something else but idk if I should out it yet... I'll let people decide and that

I agree with your 2nd sentence

[Cheeky Dancer]

All the dayrep stuff is noise. Let's just scumhunt.

and where would you suggest we start?

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Also, I have some interesting news I feel like sharing, which could possibly help us. It's regarding the BOONus game.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

It's regarding the BOONus game.

I find it suspicious that neither of the 2 other participants said anything about it so far....but ok.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

@mcqueen boon said they don't in a pm reply to me. He said only private ones count.

[Cheeky Dancer]

So it seems I misunderstood. So the 4 people vote privately when to end the day. I thought it was their public votes. What do you guys think of this idea. We always have a majority on the scummier of the 4. That way we guarantee one doesn't vote in private. Until we are ready to vote our actual lynch target?

-kokichi

Day Rep votes are public and should be made in this thread.

Eh, his reply to me sounded all encompassing. Forgot about that exception.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Btw if I’m just getting voted for opposing the Day Rep theory, wouldn’t scum also want a free ticket for a mislynch? I think the wiser place to look for scum is in people who didn’t question it AT ALL. THAT is what I’d anticipate scum doing.

I don't get the scumreads on you OR bef, honestly. Thing is , if you're the lynch today then that's fine because I still don't have you as town.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Alonzo's ISO regarding n&m, his last vote on n&m on pg 180 for eod 2, and what transpired in our boonus room on n2 last night - I'm debating if that's just too coincidental to be scum or if it means that hydra IS scum. Already decided, I put a vote on n&m in our private thread.

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BOONus round room c, n2:

A.
Hey everyone. So last night we were one of three contestants chosen for the N2 BOONus room c. Contestants were n&m, pp, ourselves. All prizes were permanent and won't affect night actions until the next night phase. We could gift a +1 & the prize to another player, if we won that round - the player wouldn't be informed who gave them the gift(s).


There were 3 choices in our case for us to pick from, based on if we won:
• Macho - A player with this modifier cannot be protected from any night kills.
• 1-shot Neighborizer
• 1-shot Charge Transfer

B.
Grilled n&m on their reads. They kept stalling, stating they were catching up and portraying that they were all confused. The only 2 people they brought up were EJ & Alonzo.
They haven't fully caught up?! They've been in the game since the beginning, they're not a replacement.
Also , judging by replies like "wow people think im mala well maybe theyre wrong," they've clearly been keeping up. The fact that they're trying hard to remove associative tells, is also another fire alarm on the dance floor.

They kept reiterating fluff with posts like the following:
"I'm saying that I dont have any good leads of my own so I am trying to find some things to bite into"
"Lonzo is not playing with me as I would expect town him to play. And he isn't pushing me like he does when he actually thinks I'm scum. He's treating me with kids gloves it seems while poking at me simultaneously"
"I’m going to post reads. We just got posted for two hours and I’m going to try to do some ISOs. It’s just I hate hydra disco so I might float it through Ff first"
"Anyone want to talk about Elsa claiming Miller but hinting at traitor?"

"Why is he (alonzo) town? Like what are the actual arguments for him being town?
I guess it comes down to this. He pushed a meta case on d1 and got the lynch. All he is doing is pushing a meta case on me and taking shots at us from time to time.

Lonzo and I have played a lot of games together recently, mostly newbie, and I feel like he would be able to read me better. I need to look back at our games because I know there was one where he won as scum after buddying me pretty hard.

I'm probably not explaining this too well, but the way that he is "engaging" me is shallow and superficial. He says shit about my posts not doing g it for him but refuses to enage with me directly.

I don't really have a set scum meta that he could point to right now, and his default towards me should be someone willing to work with me, and I don't see that here. I see a show of him acting like he wants stuff from us, but then doesn't do anything with what we try to do."

"I haven’t fully caught up. I was planning to ISO people for the most part and going over it with FF"


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BOONus round room c, n1:

nero & GE were blue townie & blue super saint, with thanos being pink goon. Thanos came in asking GE to claim, nero voted GE, GE said he was super saint, Thanos voted GE.

GE was lynched and thanos the hammerer, was killed. So nero & GE were the winners, each getting prizes. I found that whole sequence of events interestingly suspicious because nero voted quickly before GE even claimed, GE claimed after nero voted him, yet thanos STILL voted GE after GE claimed super saint.
So, now I'm wondering if there is at least 1 scum between nero/thanos/GE due to how they were playing - like they wanted to move super fast to get a prize and that it didn't matter who got the prize.

[Cheeky Dancer]

null: GE/EJ/Koki
sr: drewva, mcqueen, ss, theta/una , karm/creat , n&m , SS

That's my lynch pool so far. Also, been getting a lingering weird feeling about pp because his reads have looked very...in sync with mine in most of the game (LAMIST attempt??)


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Since this is not multiball, calculations shown below if I assume the worst scenario of 5 scum (I don’t see a world with 6 or more scum in a 23 p setup):

5V18 start of d1
4V18 by n1
4V13 today, d3
4v11
4v7
4v9
4v7

We got that many mislynches left?? Anyway, posting this for future reference.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Part of me wants to vote end the day .


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

VOTE: Nev and Max

Interesting.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

We aren't. I was kidding about ending the day and that unoriginal hack tried to get in on my joke.

How is Memphis?

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

So my question to you is - as a short summary what makes your N&M case more probable to catch scum, compared to your second case ?

Going off what I've seen itt & from interactions with n&m. Also, I know who the hydra is & the way they spoke about alonzo & ej is way suspicious.

With GE it's more null - though I dont trust null slots. His slot traditionally, has been hard to read overall (not like in RC's themed large though).

I still want to see what else others have to say like una/tlk/koki and anyone else who has been missing.
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though I guess Performers might count since it was bold unless it doesn't count b/c he didn't bold vote.

I didnt add a vote tag it though... so it shouldn't count...

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

The weather is cold, I love it rn but in a few months I'll be sweating bullets.

Huge fan of warm and hot weather. We had a mini quake here in the sf bay area. Glad the rain has been gradually going away....so tired of it.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Mastina is the other head

No it's not.

Thought Max claimed to be Mastina in the boonus room. I wasn't too Keen to go through so maybe I misread.

I mean...the fact that N&M haven't once written a 5000 word post should have been a dead giveaway that mastina was not one of the heads.

Exactly!
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if im being honest, i have read maybe 2 pages out of 187

You feel like a spectator too, huh?

What he's just scum lurking?

Wow next level scumhunting here guys.

You're missing some steps in your dance covers .

As formerfish, you were scum in the newbie game with alonzo and radiantcowbells and profi (man, you sure are active! Hehe.) . Need I say more?

Yes, you should. You could answer a direct question I asked where I linked a game where I was scum and I asked if that was the game you had seen. Pretty simple thing for you to answer. Is the scum game of mine that you are talking about one run by ArcAngel and it was called Prey?

Yes.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Why RCE why? Do u not trust me with a prize when u townread me

Sure. Do I trust Una a bit more? Also sure.

I don't.
Then again, I've been teamed as scum with una before, AND saw his scum game with okapoka on his team....AND he's the theta slot.

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And I don't see how receiving sticky fruit gives role stop....but ok.

if im being honest, i have read maybe 2 pages out of 187

Watch out for Perf, he gonna be on you something fierce real soon.

Truth is, I can be too relaxed or too fierce in a game. It's uncommon to be in between.
Just ask xtox and EJ.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

@creature well I yawn at your yawns.

Also @creature (and pp) - thank you.
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Yeah, I think TLK made up that whole fruit thing. Just like the SS thing.

I can see the SS but why would someone make up receiving sticky fruit? But something definitely weird is going on with that.

Maybe TLK got a little stressed out form the pressure from PP about receiving something last night and just went out on a limb to say he received fruit.

But it seems an odd thing to fakeclaim, especially when he couldn’t have guessed what Penguin would have given him.

Well, profii had the fruit and he said he didn't pass it along to TLK. So either there is some mechainc/role that is redirecting or TLK lied. I would ask profii to say who he intended to give the fruit to but that would out his loyal gift as well so we can forget that from now.

Is it possible for there to be 2 fruit vendors?

Yes to your question.

Regarding the profi passing fruit part and that he claimed inventor, I'm starting to wonder if he should announce who he passed the fruit and his inventions on both nights to. Because more information may help us to discern the liar(s).

[Cheeky Dancer]

@Nev and Max, specifically FF: I don't like Performer coming in here and putting you on blast, either. However, it seems they had a scumread going in to the night on you, and maintained that read, at least on FF's head, throughout the night.

This pings me in all the wrong ways on the dance floor. But that's not surprising.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I don't see where n+M were being grilled or stalling.

Did you see where we were the ones offering up our views, being asked to provide examples and then being ignored after we provided the examples?

yes

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

@n&m Cheeky does different dances than me, so it has not been her so far today.
Also @dva or nancy, how you cannot tell , is mind boggling.

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I've played with Kokichi town but it was a rep into a lethargic game.

In SSBU Kokichi was lurky as scum but more involved...if that makes sense. Present enough to know what's going on but not draw attention. Active early that game though iirc.

This is true & probably the only thing that stands out for koki's play. As scum he's more involved, he enjoys playing scum more.

However after moderating a scum game of his, he is like creature - very capable to developing their scum play....


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

like if N&M is scum out of this this is like a crazy bit of theater

I think the room c round 2 peeps are all town

I'll talk with Nancy about the Thanos stuff when she gets on tomorrow hopefully -d

This is quite the flip on us from you. Are you saying that I dont have this type of play in my scum!game?

DVa and me aren’t exactly seeing eye to eye on your slot.

So lets dance and figure this out.

Yesss !!

what the heck is a ducky. is this some sort of joke

No it's not a joke.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

if im being honest, i have read maybe 2 pages out of 187

Watch out for Perf, he gonna be on you something fierce real soon.

Performer? I thought it was Cheeky who’d been posting?

Im assuming it was Perf due to the tone and subject matter. If that was cheeky than I dunno what to say.

I thought so but Performer has been hydra slipping, so I dunno.

That was my mistake, I do apologize . Especially to the hosts.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

are you claiming what i think you’re claiming elsa

Asking something like this might not be good for your health..
And me answering that question wouldn't likely help either of us as I have no way of knowing what you think you now know, and therefore confirming/denying anything makes no sense.
Just remember that I am a Ducky.

Not a joke.
I will flip "Town Ducky" when dead - guaranteed.

You mean this is an actual role?

Are the posts so far today on 1/18, coming from nancy or dva?

I am so confused but I'm just going to ignore the mechanics because something has gone very wrong haha - I am visiting family this weekend so will be bored and have time to go read stuff and just do regular scum huntings and ting fam yo brap.

Yeah I'm going to be v/la this weekend as well...as is the case for most weekends

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I haven’t rolled scum yet besides the infamous A50 game where I was a survivor and lost lmao

You did though, in a game where someone in THIS game was a mafia member on your team.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Whoa. I misremembered it. Nvm, that was a different team. It was actually bef/rub/power/triv. For some reason my terrible memory mixed you in.

Speaking of your role, my brother is in advanced 911 . He is studying to get into FEMA because their organization has lost contracts to another organization , and slashed mandation (they took out 1.5x and 2x pay). Also has been difficult picking up extra roles. I told him I'm glad because an organization that sounds like it's sinking ship, that's a good opportunity to get into something else, and that route is going to pay higher too .

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Well, a really bad fakeclaim in that case because obviously Penguin would catch him.

Except in a scenario where he knew that there was a sticky fruit vendor giving gifts and he thought it was me...

I’m thinking Peng and TKL are both town from currrnt events

-M

How do you come to that conclusion?

Still waiting for that answer about their creature tr as well.

are you claiming what i think you’re claiming elsa

Asking something like this might not be good for your health..
And me answering that question wouldn't likely help either of us as I have no way of knowing what you think you now know, and therefore confirming/denying anything makes no sense.
Just remember that I am a Ducky.

Not a joke.
I will flip "Town Ducky" when dead - guaranteed.

You mean this is an actual role?

Are the posts so far today on 1/18, coming from nancy or dva?

I am so confused but I'm just going to ignore the mechanics because something has gone very wrong haha - I am visiting family this weekend so will be bored and have time to go read stuff and just do regular scum huntings and ting fam yo brap.

Yeah I'm going to be v/la this weekend as well...as is the case for most weekends

~ P

Nancy and why is that relevant?

Because I don't recall nancy town play asking so many strange questions....
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Also,
If you have 4 pens and I have 7 peaches, how many chinchillas & trees will fit on the roof? White, because we wear a hospital coat in a vet hospital.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Yes.

~ P

That is a horrible game to use for my scum meta. Alonzo already tried to do that in another game and failed because of this reason:

I replaced into that game when both PRs had outed themselves. As scum I cc'ed the one who was the most likely to be pushed and we lynched him. I then killed the other PR overnight and then open wolfed (legitimately everyone knew I was scum but kept me alive) for 2 days before being lynched. Shit you guys even put someone to l-1 when I wasn't on the wagon letting me quickhammer and go straight to another night.

That wasnt a game where I played from the start and had an idea of what I was going to do the whole time and played to my plan. That was a game where I was thrown into a situation I immediately had to take advantage of and we ended up winning that game because I was able to sow so much mud that town never found themselves.

And that is what you are basing your sr off of in this game? They arent even in the same species to compare.

I looked at your town games as well, not just that 1 scum game. That 1 scum game you kept posting nonsense. RC demanded people lynch someone because he wanted to do too much association scumhunting. That turned out terribly, which was expected.

The fact that you don't drop this and move onto productive pastures, as well as your ignoring of the reads explanations and other fluff posts, makes me fine with my vote.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Yesss !!

Are you just excited that I used that term?

Nah I just harbor excitement about dance. I've taught 2 dance classes before and just have a genuine, deep passion for choreographed dance . It's such a great activity for folks. Healthiness, fun, and learning all in one due to organized physical activity.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I think we should go after the players we keep flipflopping on, scum usually orbits the null area.

You should tell that to the high-performing scum team of the worst, performer, and keyser soze from Starcraft 1, what they have to say about that.

ss, theta/una , karm/creat , n&m , SS

just noticed CD lists SS as scum twice lol

maybe you should expand on that read CD?

una read also seems good -d

Was supposed to have him once . That was a mistake on my part.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Vig list: EJ
Kokichi
n&m
GE
xtox?
and others.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Why did we end up on TLK?

Something to do with TLK stating he got fruit, profi stating he gave TLK nothing, pp stating he gave TLK something but not fruit. I'm ok with TLK's lynch.
Also, pp & TLK still have each other as scumreads since d2 iirc so there's that.
Something I've been wondering is that what if his super saint part is somehow true? Then dave's idea made sense if he was scum super saint...which isn't the first time I've heard of that role implemented like that. Considering the low level of powers for us that we've seen this far, scum super saint makes some sense.

Vig list: EJ
Kokichi
n&m
GE
xtox?
and others.

For some reason I don't really think we had more than one scum day 1 representative.

I dont know how we can tell if there is at least 1 scum in the d1 rep. It makes some sense in terms of having at least 1 scum in the 4 but I'd rather focus on other things to scumhunt off of. I havent heard of a reliable enough method to determine that there is at least 1 scum in the day reps.

The claims so far that I can tell:
inventor, vt (and flipped vts), duck, (basically) vigilante, super saint


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Yeah GE can be scum too. In over 2 irl weeks of reviewing the ISO on pg2 , the only stance he stated is that creat is scum . Then proceeded to vote creat.

Also, hello koki.
VOTE: Kokichi

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

The claims so far that I can tell:
inventor, vt (and flipped vts), duck, (basically) vigilante, super saint

Mind telling who claimed what?

professor, mcdonald's, airplane bomber, elsa from frozen, and TLK.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I think we should go after the players we keep flipflopping on, scum usually orbits the null area.

You should tell that to the high-performing scum team of the worst, performer, and keyser soze from Starcraft 1, what they have to say about that.

ss, theta/una , karm/creat , n&m , SS

just noticed CD lists SS as scum twice lol

maybe you should expand on that read CD?

una read also seems good -d

Was supposed to have him once . That was a mistake on my part.


~ P

I wrongly interpreted the second SS as SuperSaint. You don't scumread TLK?

My reads list was old and havent updated it, but I'm fine with a TLK lynch as well. I want to hear his stances on GE and n&m. If he turns out to be some sort of scum super saint , then we all need to be very careful of the order in which we vote that slot.

That makes me wonder - if the vig recipient is scum, then wouldnt they have killed the TLK SS claim by now? Makes me start questioning one of my scumreads.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I don't.
Then again, I've been teamed as scum with una before, AND saw his scum game with okapoka on his team....AND he's the theta slot.

This is performer speaking about me..
Does this mean that you don't trust me because you think I could deceive you as scum?
But then again, I have already fallen under suspicion for multiple people, which I would absolutely not want happening if I were scum here.
My MO is actually quite easily read nowadays since I've given my best to all of my most recent scumgames.
I only lost one of them, but all of them show similar characteristics.
I don't think I'll be winning any scumgames any time soon.

And just a btw, I'm not scum here, I'd take this stupidly seriously if I was.

That's the thing though....you are brilliant enough as scum , as are a number of others in this particular game, to say something such as this.

Anyway I don't think you are a top candidate today for lynch.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I think I should get back to IC'ing.

Good times , good times. First time I ever IC'd, I was scum too. It turned out horrifically though...long story haha.
I enjoyed the experience and enjoyed getting others into the game. But it took a ton of effort and time , and I had other upcoming priorities ... which Krazy knows a bit of. This game will likely be my very last onsite due to other priorities in life.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Hi whanau xx

What's happening?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Daily reminder Nero and Mcqueen are scum.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

So to get down to the bottom of the delicious sticky fruit mess...

N1 - x gave fruit to Profii | Profii makes y loyal.
N2 - Profii gives fruit to TLK

TLK received the fruit meaning he's town if loyal BUT TLK never got made loyal. Where did the loyal go?

Profii didn't even target TLK?
Penguin knows about this how?

I'm confused. Someone straighten this out for me.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Oh BEF is scum too.

If we could move away from the dayreps spec that would save >%50 of the populations sanity. The rest are too far gone.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I've heard the same 3-4 things 10 different ways today End the day

how rude.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

N1 - x gave fruit to Profii | Profii makes y loyal
N2 - Profii gives fruit to y
D3 - PP asks TLK if he liked the gift PP gave him; TLK says he got Sticky Fruit. PP/Profii did not send Sticky Fruit to TLK

There's definitely something here.

~ C

Pedit good question Elsa.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Scum are likely redirecting Profii thinking he is giving out those modifiers...and surprise! TLK recieved a tasty snack instead.

I think we have our first red handed scum. How juicy.

Voting TLK.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Anyone not on a TLK wagon is suspect just in case we aren't here tomorrow.

(Also: Mcqueen, Nero, BEF with a sprinkling of RCE and Thanos)

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Elsa you should hammerer or coordinate your vote with me ending the day.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Intending to end the day in the next 48 hours. Maybe. Still need to run this play with Performer.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

2/3

[Cheeky Dancer]

Err 2/4 including moi.

[Cheeky Dancer]

So your vote is already casted or you mean the 2 others voted already?

Nero and RCE have voted already. I will hammer. Maybe. Stay posted.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Drewva you need to stop townreading my scumreads :/

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Day 2 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Ramcius [9]: BrightEyedFish [12/31, 19:35], Mcqueen [1/1, 07:52], Something_Smart [1/13, 09:50] Elsa Jay [1/13, 17:16], DrewVa [1/13, 22:25], The Last Knight [1/13, 23:02], UnaBombah [1/14, 02:22], Nev and Max [1/14, 12:23], Davesaz [1/14, 16:23] ------ [LYNCH]
Mcqueen [4]: Xtoxm [1/1, 22:26], PenguinPower [1/1, 19:43], Ramcius [1/12, 02:59], Profii [1/14, 12:33]
Creature [3]: RCEnigma [1/11, 23:44], Nero Cain [1/13, 12:15], Gamma Emerald [1/13, 22:39],
Nev and Max [2]: Thanos [1/10, 09:08], Alonzo [1/12, 07:33],
UnaBombah [2]: Cheeky Dancer [1/14, 17:56], Creature [1/14, 17:57]

Not Voting [1]: Kokichi Oma

I could easily scumread every person on the ramcius wagon. Guess we just bob until there's less people. Come at us.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Also...where is Creature?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I could easily scumread every person on the ramcius wagon. Guess we just bob until there's less people. Come at us.

I'm thinking there's scum in the people that voted me at the EoD.
People who had no trouble with Ramcius being the lynch, but wanted to create a "counterwagon" when it was quite clear it wouldn't go through anymore.
Come at me.

Was it? Great analysis. Are you clearing every person on the Ramcius wagon?

[Cheeky Dancer]

I could go profii if TLK flips town. But I'm not feeling that possibility tbh.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I’m not really feeling scum profi though.

-M

Me neither. But I have reasons to be skeptical.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Was it? Great analysis. Are you clearing every person on the Ramcius wagon?

Nope.
Out of the lynch I'd currently hunch something like:

BrightEyedFish [12/31, 19:35], Mcqueen [1/1, 07:52], Something_Smart [1/13, 09:50] Elsa Jay [1/13, 17:16], DrewVa [1/13, 22:25], The Last Knight [1/13, 23:02], UnaBombah [1/14, 02:22], Nev and Max [1/14, 12:23], Davesaz [1/14, 16:23]

I think I noted TLK as potential scum during my catchup once I had seen the first flips, BUT TOOK A 180 TURN, because I felt so certain about scum!Ramcius+scum!Karmeleon.
Now that I know I was wrong about Ramcius, it's not impossible for scum!Creature to have been on scum!TLK.

I hated mcqueen liking Performer's N&M case. Every time I read that dude pings me. People keep saying I'm wrong though :/

BEF was pushing the Ramcius thing a little too hard. In fact everything is a little too try hard.

SS can be dealt with later - I always find him hard to read.

Elsa can be town I guess. Would be good to flip them to look at who was pushing LHF.

Drewva is just so contrary to my mindset it's worrying.

TLK is caught scum.

Una can be town.
N&M can be town. (Don't tell performer I haven't really told him yet)

Dave fits in the same category as SS.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I ship this

Silence scum.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Vig list: EJ
Kokichi
n&m
GE
xtox?
and others.

???? You townread Xtoxm but have him on a vig list.... and pushed me with him yesterday... makes sense.

I townread xtoxm. I promise Performer and my reads will align when there's less people or when we catch each other.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I think I should get back to IC'ing.

Good times , good times. First time I ever IC'd, I was scum too. It turned out horrifically though...long story haha.
I enjoyed the experience and enjoyed getting others into the game. But it took a ton of effort and time , and I had other upcoming priorities ... which Krazy knows a bit of. This game will likely be my very last onsite due to other priorities in life.

~ P

Well now you made me sad and sympathetoc towards you... HE’S TOWN GUYS *cries*

You can omgus shade me - but leave performer alone you mean man.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I wish we were scum, so we could pocket you, xtox.
Funny thing is, I WOULD say that as scum.
Also, "3 useless town" ?? Disagreed with that.

i dont get pocketed by scum
mechanically speaking

What?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

can u seriously get me out of ur sr. I’m locktown

How are you lock town my Scummy queen?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

Just from reading what’s on this page I think CD is a good vote

I thought you could read me.

</3

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

So your vote is already casted or you mean the 2 others voted already?

Nero and RCE have voted already. I will hammer. Maybe. Stay posted.

~ C

scumslip bruh. Rce not a day rep. Agree boon is not doing a great job of keeping track. But you want elsa to be the final vote on town tlk supersaint as scum!you secures a mislynch

How the fuck is that a scumslip? Dude get vigged already.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

If tlk flips town im voting CD tomorrow

If you believe in your scumslip you should be voting us today.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

So your vote is already casted or you mean the 2 others voted already?

Nero and RCE have voted already. I will hammer. Maybe. Stay posted.

~ C

scumslip bruh. Rce not a day rep. Agree boon is not doing a great job of keeping track. But you want elsa to be the final vote on town tlk supersaint as scum!you secures a mislynch

How the fuck is that a scumslip? Dude get vigged already.

~ C

What do u mean how? It clearly shows ur agenda.

My agenda to give this silly town a timestamp from which to check all the scum rushing onto TLK? Try again my bro.

Also this plan was agreed to on like D2. Try again?

[Cheeky Dancer]

If tlk flips town im voting CD tomorrow

If you believe in your scumslip you should be voting us today.

~ C

i thought about it. but do i trust myself in sorting out slips? nah. so i’d rather use tlk’s alignment as an association for you tomorrow, because i want super saint and hopefully miller gone anyway.

So you don't agree with any of my reads but you're going to BoP me? Well I know who's going to look worse on a TLK flip.

Pedit - hence the (maybe) inserted a few times. Lo and behold Nero/RCE are now voting for TLK. Magic.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Yeah maybe. Cause elsa never voted and u werent sure u could be on when he did.

I gave an ultimatum people believed. I may end the day if someone else wants to but for now watching the reactions is fine. Anyway good chat. A bit of omgus always helps me to dig my heels in a bit further.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

It must really get to you that our slot is so hard to take down.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

i did think nero and rce especially looked very town last night

In the boonus round?

[Cheeky Dancer]

if i were scum, i’d just shut up and let tlk get lynched peacefully. Ive made it very clear that i want the ss gone, Nero agreed with me. Take from that what u will, but why would i be voting my partner THEN try to derail it to CD? especially when CD is likely not a realistic lynch candidate today. U really think i could pull something like that off? Me?

You're not trying to derail it. You're trying to set me up for tomorrow.

[Cheeky Dancer]

i did think nero and rce especially looked very town last night

In the boonus round?

yes

Did you guys talk about the game in there?

[Cheeky Dancer]

i did think nero and rce especially looked very town last night

In the boonus round?

Without really getting into what was said, the way our boonus round started lead me to believe both Nero and xtoxm were town. Not that I scumread either going in.

Damn it. I'm getting weirded out that Nero is so passive this game, he was my strongest scum read coming into today. I think Creature is strongly scum too.

I hope you are all town because I townread everyone in my round too. Performer scumreads N&M though.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

if i were scum, i’d just shut up and let tlk get lynched peacefully. Ive made it very clear that i want the ss gone, Nero agreed with me. Take from that what u will, but why would i be voting my partner THEN try to derail it to CD? especially when CD is likely not a realistic lynch candidate today. U really think i could pull something like that off? Me?

You're not trying to derail it. You're trying to set me up for tomorrow.

Good because you need to die anyway. Your reads have been terrible.

Let’s just not talk about how you had your vote on Xtoxm on D1 too, then decided he’s town and switched to EFN near deadline.

I'm going to ignore you until you make sense.

[Cheeky Dancer]

I have no idea what UnaH is saying :/ I wish I did.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

bro chill its 7 am and i havent slept

Get some sleep <3

[Cheeky Dancer]

theres so many worse votes on the wagon than his

Like?

[Cheeky Dancer]

@Unah - do you think Xtoxm bussed D1?

[Cheeky Dancer]

I don't think Unah is scum Xtoxm and vice versa.

[Cheeky Dancer]

I don't get why you're working with pre-flip associations on D3?

[Cheeky Dancer]

That's cool but I'd hate to see you limit your search when we have one scum flip, one town flip and two wagons to go on. I think Creature can be scum with anyone because it's Creature lol.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Uh two vote counts^

[Cheeky Dancer]

I thought creature was fine yesterday too fwiw. We did have to keep pushing against the crowd to get votes on mcqueen and I thought there was noone there. I was surprised to see so many people at the EOD votecount.

[Cheeky Dancer]

Wow I thought I was paranoid lol. I trust you know what you're doing. I look forward to reading your findings.

[Cheeky Dancer]

I dont understand the scumreads on dave...mentioned on pg 218 for instance. Also, my read on n&m has changed, I dont think he's scum.

Caught up to pg 225 so far. Unfortunately cheeky's reads on nero/rce are something I read differently...I have nero & rce as town.

Xtox was added to that list since he was mia but then reappeared. Felt like he was lurker scum at the time.

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Why did we end up on TLK?

Something to do with TLK stating he got fruit, profi stating he gave TLK nothing, pp stating he gave TLK something but not fruit. I'm ok with TLK's lynch.
Also, pp & TLK still have each other as scumreads since d2 iirc so there's that.
Something I've been wondering is that what if his super saint part is somehow true? Then dave's idea made sense if he was scum super saint...which isn't the first time I've heard of that role implemented like that. Considering the low level of powers for us that we've seen this far, scum super saint makes some sense.

Vig list: EJ
Kokichi
n&m
GE
xtox?
and others.

For some reason I don't really think we had more than one scum day 1 representative.

I dont know how we can tell if there is at least 1 scum in the d1 rep. It makes some sense in terms of having at least 1 scum in the 4 but I'd rather focus on other things to scumhunt off of. I havent heard of a reliable enough method to determine that there is at least 1 scum in the day reps.

The claims so far that I can tell:
inventor, vt (and flipped vts), duck, (basically) vigilante, super saint


~ P

If you look in the roles list for this game, super saint is town only.

A post like this from tlk makes me hesitant about him being scum. Why on earth would scum tlk bring this up in my mistake. Makes no sense if tlk is scum.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Like why would rookie TLK fake claim super saint , as that is a huge risk if there is a real super saint? Because that's basically suicide .

Cool, can we chop creature in half now?

Agreed.

Also on pg 229 - drewva why do you have GE as town. He moonwalked to the San Antonio river walk called "mafia scum. "

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Then atleast let me attenpt to be Noble in killing TLK. I still think it's a prime claim from scum to coast through this adventure.

Who do you sr other than tlk? In other words, who do you think are his teammates then?

We should lynch TLK today.

I will answer these questions tomorrow.

The entire reason we’re even considering TLK as a lynch - besides/before the fruit fiasco - is because he was deemed a scummy slot. If he’s town, and truly is SS, he is a literal 1-for-1 deal with scum, and is best to keep him alive. I’m moving away from him and trusting my gut. TLK is town.

Therefore, this post and Penguin blatantly asking TLK if he received his gift when no one else has done that seems like a way for scum!PP to bait TLK. PP could be a scum sticky fruit vendor (there was one of these in another booneytoonz game), knew TLK had a potential second fruit, and got him to out that he had a fruit by asking him if he received PP’s gift. Of course PP said he didn’t send him a fruit. He’s scum.

VOTE: PenguinPower

“I’ll answer tomorrow” ... the issue has been brought up today. I think you know your time is limited but wanted your biggest threat out of the game with time to figure out how to evade death.

This is basically a scum claim.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Yet again, sorry to everyone for flaking!
It's been quite crazy at work+Finland has offered her coldest days in sometime, so there have been side effects..
Side effects include (but are not limited to): rain inside (my stores AC-systems inner heating failed, so one of it's pipes froze and cracked), over half a meter of snow outside (sometimes even on a road your actually supposed to drive on), my car-battery dying during the night (SO.FKING.COLD) and my soon-to-be-officially-Ex-wife harassing me over...well, everything. (how I ruined her life, she ruined my life and self-esteem, and how we are both ruined before the age of 30 )

I'm not trying to pull anything here, and I'm absolutely going to catch up to the game during today/tomorrow.
Completely depending on if I get my car running tonight so that I don't have to take a taxi for work tomorrow as well..don't love my work enough to pay for doing it!

Compared to someone like koki for instance (facing probably replacement due to very infrequent posting?), you're not doing that bad in posting frequency.

I dislike the idea that we lynch anyone other than TLK today.
If they really are town, they really are a SuperSaint.
Meaning that we should aim to take advantage of their ability and lynch a scummy slot, or someone else with a claim that is harder to verify.
I'd offer to be shot by the SS, but I think I want to quack once more..

Agreed

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

my soon-to-be-officially-Ex-wife

Oh damn. I am sorry to hear about the divorce....

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Why not replace out?

I made a commitment to play the game, I'm going to honor it unless I'm literally unable to.

Who is scum?

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Good morning!

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I didnt even think about that when he posted that self vote, did anybody really react to it?

I think somebody said something indicating they thought I misunderstood the mechanics (they must not know me, lol). Probably not indicative of alignment though.

You could check out my meta maybe...

As scum I play much more awkwardly, giving and explaining reads while not doing a lot of interaction, and I tend to try to lead or push through wagons often.

As town I play much more cautiously and reactively, generally focusing on townreads and questioning (and mechanics, which are a strong suit of mine) and refusing to commit to a lot of hard positions.

So upon a re ISO of SS, I noticed he spoke of mechanics at least twice. I'm not familiar with his town & scum meta but I like that he brought up mechanics because I can back that up. That's because we're on the same administrative review team. So I'm taking that specification you made as a town sign but I want to hear your sr.

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pedit: good morning Cheeky!

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I can defer on RCE/Nero but I'll find at least Nero suspect until late game. We can move off TLK if you're feeling that. Creature lynch?

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I can defer on RCE/Nero but I'll find at least Nero suspect until late game. We can move off TLK if you're feeling that. Creature lynch?

~ C

I'm thinking we should stay on TLK for the lynch today....whoever votes and/or hammers, should be telling.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Sweet potatoes

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I can defer on RCE/Nero but I'll find at least Nero suspect until late game. We can move off TLK if you're feeling that. Creature lynch?

~ C

No wonder we’re not mindmelding with you on reads here. Nero, RCE and Creature are all town. OTOH, I very much doubt Elsa is.

My read on creature is partly based off RCE , who I'm townreading.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

There simply are certain slots that I excel at reading, Nero, Creature are amongst them and people would be wise to listen to me on that.

I have 2 games I want to to point to about this, depending on which head said this.... oh well .

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

There simply are certain slots that I excel at reading, Nero, Creature are amongst them and people would be wise to listen to me on that.

In. b4 Creature disputes this with YGM. It took me awhile to discern all of the obvious towntells but I did get there eventually.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

The thing is, I would think town should want to help as much as possible and even moreso as the game progresses.

Problem is, sometimes scum does this too. But I'm probably digressing.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

The thing is, I would think town should want to help as much as possible and even moreso as the game progresses.

Problem is, sometimes scum does this too. But I'm probably digressing.

~ P

Creature is a player, who is terrible a faking conviction as scum. He almost always sounds awkward and frozen, whenever he attempts this, so Creature with conviction, is almost always town!Creatre, irrespective of reads. He hard townread scum!Thor in YGM and he wrongly scumread Brian/Sakura slot.

I dont follow .

Anyway , why do you tr GE.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

If you guys are seeing a town creature then you must be considering a scum Unah? I could even see that as SvS tbh.

~ C

[Cheeky Dancer]

I agree with SS on Thanos

[Cheeky Dancer]

there are reasons to suspect mcqueen
but fluffing isnt one of them

This dance move is incredibly unsafe. (see: scummy)

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Being intelligent isn't the problem in itself.
It's when you realize that people around you are dumb when the social difficulties start.

You learn this lesson very early on in life if you are a fan of Family Fued. Most people forget that the answers are based on surveys done of actual people. You might know all the top answers of every list out there, but it only takes a few Mooks to fuck up the whole category by answering off topic or so obscure that no one's guessing that one.

That might not make total sense in translation to this game, but you have to realize that most everyone is in the same boat as we are. Low info and looking for something to clamp on to. Other people's levels of intelligence and cunning in the game will effect our reads and our interactions.

You lost me after the bolded.

Basically he's suggesting you get 4 relatives to play Family Feud, and let us know when your air date will be so we can watch you and your relatives.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I'm really out of it but don't want to force a replacement to have to deal with what I can't
should I replace out or not?

I was considering replacing out too because apparently koki is getting by without being prodded or replaced. Hasn't posted in almost SEVEN days.
Davesaz - similar situation - moved from tr to sr.
What's bizarre is I've seen in numerous games before and in RC's chaotic large theme, you weren't like this in terms of giving up .

EFN (dead now)/dave/mcqueen/koki/ss/GE - is it really that simple??


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

A lot of discussion today has been stupid so I want to see if anyone has anything to say before the dayreps vote to end. I'm fine with dayreps ending today and us getting this flip/these flips. Town needs to be aware that just because we have gone to deadline day 1 doesn't mean we're going to sit around twiddling our thumbs until deadline every day and that people need to give content with the time in the days that we have. Momentum is very important in wacky game setups like this.

-d

+1

The Last Knight: RCEnigma, Nev and Max, Xotxm, McQueen, PenguinPower, UnaBombah, S_S

is the correct VC I think? Am I ending the day or are we waiting on Elsa yo vote?

We added our vote on TLK as well, in our pt (long ago).

Just one more rep needed?

I just want to say that for my first game, this has been fun. I will probably be around awhile playing all sorts of games, especially if Boonskiies is involved.

See you in dead thread or elsewhere.

(I'm still voting Elsa here because my vote is kind of null.)

Glad you enjoyed your first game here! If you decide to signup for more, try to pace yourself and not get burnt out.

Are we ready to end the day?

Yeah.
VOTE: END THE DAY

[Cheeky Dancer]

Welcome, Jingle!! Good to see you back on the dance floor again.
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Well a Jailkeeper would definitely do that.

How elsa do you explain no kill with both a vig and maf shot? Clearly scum went for me as well.

This & the below just sounds like tmi.

Why would a town doc out a heal on me of all people, and why would scum claim?

If scum DID heal me, its because I made sure they thought I was a traitor. Which I'm not. I'm a Miller.

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EJ was TLK's top pick for a hammer. I think we should honor his wishes and lynch EJ.

Agrd.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I have another result that I'm not ready to reveal yet but I think I intend on having them claim today.

No?

Like, I can't tell if you're terrible at mechanics or just scum. But no, no one else is claiming today.

Also, if you make the assumption that EJ and SS are both scum, but EJ is a traitor, then mechanically SS is the better lynch.

Oh man. Just occurred to me that a hard to read player replaced another hard to read player ...

Jingle you better be town here please. Because iirc, you would play this way regardless of alignment , being informative / helpful .


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

RCE is scum too?

I havent rechecked my notes (I have terrible memory as people know) , but I actually have been townreading RCE...so, say whaaat??

Nope. Garbage claim, pushing traitor suspect over possible scum PR, potential rolefishing.

You need to go before LYLO because you tainted your slot.

This salsa dance move of breaking a business window to steal a videotape of hip hop dance moves, pings me.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

@drewva
Why have you not brought me into a BOONus round yet?

You’re joking right? You just called us scum.

If drewva is telling the truth, then well.....I dont recall him activating us yet we went into BOONus room Z. Incredible.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Considering the player list in here, I'm shocked I didn't get a vig shot prize. I would've shot one of our 2 prime candidates so fast, you would think I was in the room right next to you, watching you sleep at night.
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idk if you guys noticed this but nancy really thinks Nero is town

I basically had to put my foot town that he was going to get nightkilled if we did him every night... and then he got in again anyway lolwat

but yeah I literally cannot stop nancy from activating nero at this point. SHES GOT NERO ON THE BRAIN, GUYS, HALP

-d

As for CD, I wanted to activate them D2 but they already got in and now I see twice.

Say what....??

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

You guys are acting like we have all the information we need for the day when rushing through things is antitown

But who is trying to rush things?? We just started last night at the nightclub on Jan 28th.

Anyway, going to eat lunch since I packed a split-up pizza from Costco. Note to self to resume reading from pg 261, and to think over why on earth would EJ be targeted now that I think of it.

Considering so much traitor talk, RCE believing EJ to be traitor - actually does seem suspicious.

Drew claimed he targeted EJ, RCE keeps believing EJ is traitor yet EJ said he's miller, nobody died n3. Considering the player list and that nobody died, I find it impossible to believe that scum holstered on n3. Maybe there is some advanced play from scum to setup ss and ej as innocents or to bus them if they're somehow all buddies in some convoluted plan together. But I feel slightly, that something is off. Thinking out loud here.

Also , GE can go too. His vote on us & saying he's given up, no way is he town in here.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Vote is down now.

The Last Knight [8]: UnaBombah [1/18, 04:57], Cheeky Dancer [1/18, 18:15], Elsa Jay [1/18, 19:30], RCEnigma [1/18, 19:35], Nev and Max [1/19, 00:32], Xtoxm [1/21, 17:30], BrightEyedFish [1/22, 08:03], Mcqueen [1/23, 06:56] ------ [LYNCH]

So.....we're lynching this today, right?

Yeah, we're lynching inside the TLK wagon after S_S is gone.

Interesting that you say this, since it's looking like a largely if not fully town-voting wagon, now that mcqueen flipped grn. Also, drewva lying about gifting EJ vig shot, and waiting all the way until n3 to shoot EJ - mighty suspicious, not liking that at all.

Also, WHAT TOWN FUCKING CHECKS A SLOT WHO CLAIMS MILLER/TRAITOR. THAT SHIT IS FOR A VIGILANTE TO DEAL WITH.

Pedit: yeah, which is why you're claiming that and saying "no way mafia have 2 rolecop!". Your not even a mafia Rolecop, probably a goon or something.

You got called out for lying. Why would expect scum!me to ever hammer at all? You just doomed McQueen to death.

We caught SS as scum. Who checks someone who claims "possibly traitor" day 1 just to also say "yep, that's a traitor alright." Without going public about it? Or trying to push their lynch more?

Changing vote to SS in our private thread.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

No result on Xtoxm, he's almost certainly town.

SS , you're a funny guy lol.
And let me tell the audience why.
We're members of the same administrative team.
You claim rolecop, having got no result on xtox yet you say he's likely town - lol?
As a fellow member of the NRG, stating that assessment alone is heavily suspicious.

You told us your tr were mcqueen/n&m/una yesterday during my investigation of you itt. No mention of xtox .

I'm not fully caught up with the rest of the pages yet, but those series of events are simply condemning.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

When I was in BOONus round N1, it clearly said the decision on the prize had to be submitted before the night deadline.

Considering Boon sent a PM notifying our room who won the BOONus round and that we could choose a prize after the day had started, I'm willing to believe S_S on this.

You're saying he's town?

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Elsa has ascetic or similar -- is there a role that can be targeted by nothing, not even a vig?

Commuter. Also, BP Ascetic.

Considering dave's experience on FM, I found his question a red flag (LAMIST). Though he already has been an sr of mine.

My radar is changing on xtox again since he's lurking again.
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Creature, what did you do with your prizes.

Also, can we get a massclaim of who's given what to whom?

Not actual roles, just gifted modifiers.

I'm sorry, I threw away my prize. Figured I'm the most useless member of this player list.

#nihilism

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

VOTE: Nero Cain
you and I need to talk.

This is more pressing to you than the Elsa/S_S debate?

Already answered, do you have a hydra PT? Use it more if you do.

I'm a page or two behind from being live... And what does my Hydra pt have to do with anything?

Do you have something against me personally? I feel like you've been taking shots at me throughout the game and I'm not sure why I feel this animosity coming from you.

GE always sounds like that though.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Hmm, would 3p fall under disloyal or not? Maybe not so 3p does not explain my result.
The theory might not hold water unless there is another lie in play.

Spicy idea:

SS today, dave tomorrow.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Notes to self:
-Priority 1 - SS, priority 2 - dave (or EJ if SS is somehow town)
-Sit back and relax & let n&m/dva/jingle/nero/profi/BEF/etc solve the rest of the game


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

You claim rolecop, having got no result on xtox yet you say he's likely town - lol?

I'm disloyal

My action fails on any town player

Hm.

What I want to know is what xtox has to say about SS, since if I understand correctly - SS suspected xtox enough to have checked him.
If I think more about it aloud (which is what I do anyway) , since dave brought up 3p on d4, SS corrected him, SS checked xtox & got no result - this actually could mean EJ is scum and SS is town then??


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Dave I like you a lot on FM, you're a cool guy.
But bringing up 3p when there's explicitly no 3p.

Those interactions...!

UNVOTE: SS


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

dave. I wonder what your read is on jingle/cheeky dancer. Since you had mcqueen/EJ/SS as scum in your previous readslist.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Dva why would you ask what is alien. We had a brief alien discussion in Not Known 15's large normal, only a few months ago. Sephiroth asked me if I was an alien jailkeeper before he flaked .
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(Jokes aside, that's serious. Don't conflate what Elsa did with what I did.)

Oh, don't worry.
I know they are very different kinds of poop.
But yours smells just as bad on that bed, considering every townie should use the toilet.

Uh. Lol.

I predict a town loss.

Why? If you have info townconfirming Elsa, you need to share it.

My disloyal failed on her

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Something_Smart

Huh??

You know the prizes aren't visible to later people in the room... so by compiling that, you're literally telling scum who has what important power.

And DrewVa it's not confirmed, but we know a killing action failed on him and he isn't bulletproof, so probably.

Thing is, at the rate we're going with the kills on AC & alonzo only, it looks like scum has some loose screws going on in terms of targeting prs. So I'm not worried whatsoever

You know the prizes aren't visible to later people in the room... so by compiling that, you're literally telling scum who has what important power.

And DrewVa it's not confirmed, but we know a killing action failed on him and he isn't bulletproof, so probably.

Whomever rolestopped Elsa, needs to claim because why does town rolestop a claimed miller?

Because of his scummy play & the fact that he lies often. That is very apparent.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Drewva, what were the other options for prizes when you were in the rooms?

@Everyone else, help me fill this in, please.

Spoiler: Boonus Results

Room A:

Night 1:

DrewVa: Vig kept (used N3, unconfirmed)
BEF: Naught
Alonzo: Naught

Night 2:



Night 3:

DrewVa: Loud to SS
RCE: Loud?
SS: Neighbor to Profii

Room B:

Night 1 {Disloyal:

Creature: Disloyal?
davesaz: Disloyal kept

Night 2:

Night 3:

Room C

Night 1:

Thanos: Win
Nero: Lose
Gemerald: Lose

Night 2:

CD: Win
N&M: Lose
Penguin: Win

Night 3: {Weak/Ascetic/Mtasking/Charge transfer}

Jingle: Weak to Una
Una: Weak to EJ
Creature: Win {Weak/Ascetic/Mtasking/Charge transfer}

Part of me wonders why pp has not cooperated with jingle.
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wait a minute...when were you gifted disloyal, ss?

Inb4 Performer points out that as a member of the NRG I ought to know this.

If this is you as scum trying to buddy me, consider it super effective....


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Part of me wonders why pp has not cooperated with jingle.

Nvm, just saw pp's post in the catchup.
+1

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

wait a minute...when were you gifted disloyal, ss?

Oh, you figured out why I've been trying to fill in the chart.

hehe


Also , if jingle/pp/ss are somehow a scum team, then I give up.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

@Nev but considering how many people are left & who they are, that's a terribly risky move from scum...
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EJ - who are ss & profi's partners?

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

What? I’ve never played in any large normals on this site.

Not Known 15's large normal where Boonskies was IC from d1 and scum purposely didn't kill him, leaving him alive. You died on n1 as n2& n3 rolestopper. That game.

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Part of me wants to end the day from what I'm seeing & not seeing, from EJ.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Pp, why do you think n&m is scum?
Also, part of felt like ending the day but each time I return, there's something else something brings up...
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Iirc the only people remaining alive are GE & I from the limbo large theme where EJ was town & GE was scum. There, GE did exactly what he's doing in this game.
There, EJ sounded different than in this game...EJ at least pushed for people's deaths via vote or otherwise. Here, I've even asked him on d4 about who SS's scum teammates are, he ignored it completely.
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Drewva why are you townreading us?
Also I think Cheeky site flaked...I suspect she was in too many games....
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@EJ I don't think that's how it works? Whoever is roped depends on what the 4 representatives for the day phase decide, afaik.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Who's the 4 who can end the day?

I'm also one of the four today. I forgot who the other 2 are other than pp and us.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

@Drewva hmm ... ok.

My vote is staying on EJ.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Jingle why are you townreading davesaz

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Killing me is kinda like throwing away an expensive couch despite just paying off the fees of purchase.

this is...a delusional analogy at best.
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n&m who do you think are EJ's partners?


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

considering that you are supposedly the mvp last night in being targeted (n3) and that you keep posting nothing helpful, if you end up being roped today, well, at least we can point a finger at someone

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

SS and Nev are doing thats scummy,

Huh?? You have n&m as an sr??

I'm townreading davesaz? News to me.

No comment.

You mean the game where EJ claimed a negative utility role I balanced as an autolynch and expected it to save him? Nah, the "You shouldn't lynch me because moonlogic" is pretty similar. Also notable, he's playing similarly to OK1 where he basically played by townreading everyone who townread him and scumread everyone else.

Ohhh damn. I forgot you were one of the reviewers for that one.
I dont think he's townreading everyone townreading him and scumreading everyone scumreading him though....
I mean, what are the chances he's a negative utility role AND town AGAIN.

I forget since it's over 200 pgs ago but someone said EFN flipped mafia rolecop, so ss being mafia rolecop too, doesn't make too much sense. Ss's planned check of EJ and his posted tr awhile back , sound genuine. I can see the mod having a town disloyal rolecop and scum rolecop as red herring.



~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Considering no kill happened on n3, it could be that EJ was stopped due to so many folks targeting him (thanks Jingle for the documentation as I included your notes in my personal notes as well).

I'm not sure why your vig shot didn't go through though. Maybe I jailkept you because I had you as an sr (and probably still do ) .

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Regarding pros and cons between ss or ej, I agree.
Who's clearly a better lynch in terms of how helpful they've been and will possibly be - that's clear as day to me.
There is obviously bias included in this decision, but that's part of this game (and part of life too, like how parents favor one child over another - don't even try to deny this!).

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

AC lost night one didn't he? @creature/dave

Yep

Xtoxm supposedly visited her with a failed result and no disloyal last night.

I did N2

I dont understand. You're saying you disloyal vigged AC on n1??!? If you did a disloyal action on AC, well then I guess my sr on you has been right .
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Forgot why I hard scumread creature. I think mostly the interactions with Una whom I hard townread.

Honest revelation moment: I scumread creat partly because RCE was scumreading creat. And I tr RCE.

@gamma why don’t you want to cooperate with compiling boonus options?

Funny thing is, I began wondering yesterday 1/31, if GE/koki (jingle)/EJ/xtox are actually somehow town. As in, super lazy town. If that's the case, the remaining scum could be in town leaders...but I still have major trouble seeing all of them as town.

In related news, starting to doubt my scumread on drewva . Their list and post where they had us as 2nd highest tr, sounds like it comes from town.
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If our vig hadn’t of been blocked,

That was a joke from me ...

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Killing me is kinda like throwing away an expensive couch despite just paying off the fees of purchase.

this is...a delusional analogy at best.
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n&m who do you think are EJ's partners?


~ P

Dave and Jingle are my best bets right now. I'm not sure past 5hat.

If this is because I asked jingle why he townreads dave, then I have nothing to say. lol.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I still exist btw!
But so does work, and it has been kicking my ass for few days..
I'm making a comeback tonight/sunday.
Please don't the day before that, and I'll try to reach a decision for myself on what is the most reasonable vote. :9

I'm on v/la on weekends anyway, so...I won't be ending the day or posting much if at all, on the weekend...

Well your 2 options are me or Smart, Una. I wish you luck in you desicion.

Btw, we're all confirming we're voting between Me and Smart, correct? No stragglers please.

So first it's ss as scum.
Now it's ss or una, and you asked if we'll vote between you/ss but not una.
EJ tell me , is your play like wisdom's? If so, then I will stop asking for elaboration.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

You should probably read the sentence again, P.

Thank you , my scum partner!

Hmm, didn't know I was a day rep

townclearing for Creature, or no?

No. It's nai.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Hmm, didn't know I was a day rep

townclearing for Creature, or no?

interestingly, ej has n&m and ss as scum.
n&m has creat as tr.

Incredible.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

You should probably read the sentence again, P.

Tfw You clarify but are still ignored. It's painful, almost like a newbie game.

It wasn't clear to me...I apologize.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Killing me is kinda like throwing away an expensive couch despite just paying off the fees of purchase.

this is...a delusional analogy at best.
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n&m who do you think are EJ's partners?


~ P

Dave and Jingle are my best bets right now. I'm not sure past 5hat.

If this is because I asked jingle why he townreads dave, then I have nothing to say. lol.

~ P

It's not...

Dave has been pinging me most of the game because he appears to be posting more mechanical stuff then game solvey stuff. And then the thing at end of day yesterday too.

Jingle is a holdover read from his predecessor.

What thing at end of yesterday?

So nothing jingle's done has caused reevaluation...interesting.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

I dont understand. You're saying you disloyal vigged AC on n1??!? If you did a disloyal action on AC, well then I guess my sr on you has been right .

My revealed actions:
N2: disloyal action on EJ - failed
N3: disloyal action on Una - failed

if that wasn't clear

EJ target history and other things:
Dave N2 with disloyal, no result
Creature N2 with disloyal, no result…disloyal on una, no result
S_S with Disloyal Rolecop n2, Traitor result
DrewVa with Vig N3 (waited all the way until n3 to use it and EJ lived though)
Una prized weak to him on n3
xtox on n1? with no result?

I forget, was disloyal ever a prize in any of the BOONus rooms?
That's also a disturbingly high # of disloyal prs if all town - which doesn't seem plausible.
On top of that, dave/creat/ss waited until n2 to use their disloyal actions - thats a huge coincidence...? And drewva waited into n3 to attempt the vig shot? Sounds like very unsafe dance moves in earthquake weather.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

So... who all has/has used neighbor shots?

I know profii, but there are presumably four more out there.

Who cares and why?

I guess you have one. Great, since I have a vig shot and guess who I will use it on.
Someone who knows Bleach and knows my fave chars from them are Gin and Aizen.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Hmm, didn't know I was a day rep

townclearing for Creature, or no?

interestingly, ej has n&m and ss as scum.
n&m has creat as tr.

Incredible.

~ P

So?

Something that I've been thinking about , whether it comes from town or scum.

~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Hmm. So if 2 disloyal actions failed on EJ, then EJ could be town - assuming creat & dave are town.
I'm actually starting to think SS is scum then .
But if SS is town, then that means EJ is scum and dave & creat are likely scum.


~ P

[Cheeky Dancer]

Hmm. So if 2 disloyal actions failed on EJ, then EJ could be town - assuming creat & dave are town.
I'm actually starting to think SS is scum then .
But if SS is town, then that means EJ is scum and dave & creat are likely scum.


~ P

Scratch that, I'm thinking of it too linear. Sometimes thinking aloud is bad.
Because disloyal works on the target if they're opposite alignment - so it roleblocks them .
But who would even know what really went on since they're was no result from dave & creat.

My assumption is if we get EJ (who I still have as sr), we could work off that regarding all that targeting. It's clear to me a claimed disloyal rolecop is less risky than a miller, on top of what's been happening itt.

~ P