In post 90, Shoshin the worst wrote:We're doing this because we think two players posting independently under the same slot harms the ability to scumhunt. We're avoiding any sort of schizophrenic posturing, hydra dissonance, disorganized/contradictory noise, which means you can treat us as if we aren't a hydra. This will make things easier for those who dislike or struggle with sorting hydras.
Stretch your minds a bit, break out the "hydra theory" box you're in, and maybe you'll realize that we're doing this for the town's benefit? We'd never limit ourselves like this as scum (before the game we discussed different ways we could abuse hydra mechanic if we were scum and this wasn't it).
-Shoshin & the worst (super redundant but I guess we'll keep signing for our slower-witted readers)
In post 94, Varsoon wrote:For those who are curious:
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In post 100, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 94, Varsoon wrote:For those who are curious:
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Are there any games you’ve seen him do it as scum or is it just that you haven’t seen him do it as Town?
In post 114, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 108, Varsoon wrote:That's L-1 provided that Mephistophanes 39 is actually/still voting there.
I obviously would need to confer with Ari before hammering. I’m not sure they’re scum but their atttitude is definitely pissing me off. And they should knock it off, if they’re actually town here.
If this a temporary RVS gag or something than fine but I’m not cool with it.
In post 132, Taly wrote:I'm not feeling good about this wagon/lynch for the reasons people are pushing it.
Like half the votes don't seem serious, or serious for a really dumb reason. (@ProFlavor)
Unless they're being bussed as scum, I don't understand the lack of resistance other than their town with a town-led wagon.
And I don't see the benefit of STW-scum still keeping up the "we're one person" shtick if they do acquire this much opposition.
Yeah, I see that it can be unhelpful to town, but I'm not seeing how it's definitively scum here.
In post 148, Taly wrote:Then walk me through how 105 warranted your vote because it's plainly obvious that it wasn't factual.
In post 150, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 137, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.
That's a bad use of meta. There's nothing inherently scummy about that phrase. It just means "break out the box you're in," or "challenge your way of thinking," which are phrases I've definitely used before as town (e.g. in Laybrinth when discussing your reads).
For some background, I say "stretch your mind" quite often in my yoga teaching to shift how people relate to their mind/body during a practice. It's just a part of how I speak in real life contexts. I'd never thought to use it in the context of mafia until Starcraft 1 because I don't usually use the phrase in an intellectual context.
I was very happy with how it applied in Starcraft 1 and I couldn't even contain my excitement when Varsoon picked the phrase up. Yes, it's such a great phrase that even Varsoon (who doesn't seem to like me much) used the phrase himself in Starcraft 1, as TOWN. Point being, it has nothing to do with alignment. It's just a phrase with a useful meaning in the context of a mafia game. I intend to use it a lot more.
-the worst
In post 206, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I mean, they've now clarified that they decided to do this pregame making it NAI and also not worth any more discussion about.In post 115, Varsoon wrote:I'm unsure why you keep providing them the 'out' of it being an RVS gag.
Shoshin isn't really a joking player.
Even TW is fairly serious.
I just thought it might be a thing.Did we get an answer to this? S&W, please do that.In post 122, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 119, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 111, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Ari no, I disagree, Varsoon is right. Does it necessarily make them scum? No but this isn’t your old site and they know that here and they are digging in thier heels despite strong opposition. That isn’t sitting right with me.
~Nancy
This is an example of the behavior we're avoiding. Yes, we're a fictive person, but that doesn't mean we're incapable of playing together as one.
-Shoshin & the worst (aka Shoshin the worst)
Why is Ari and I disagreeing on something bad for town?In post 125, Alchemist21 wrote:I hate to be anal about this but could you put down either a vote or unvote just in case the mod does count it?POSTURING!!!
Like, this is so fucking posturing.
Like, out vote did not count. I can guarantee that! You know that! So why does it matter if we unvote or not, especially considering it will be shown in the next VC that we are not, and even if we are, it's only L-1.In post 126, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, it's not really good form to vote with intent but not with actual names.![]()
[redacted snarky comment because I like Varsoon]Well, no way to do that now. Why throw out an opportunity like this? Take the chance!In post 129, Varsoon wrote:Trust, I was tempted to take advantage of it, make ShoshinTW think they were lynched, see the response, but I don't know if
1. it would've fooled them
2. they would've given any worthwhile info and not just WIFOM
Don't like that you didn't tbh.
- Por Flavor
In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
-Gamma Quadrant
PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
Also, if tw and U2 form a hydra it should be called Detroit Become Human.
In post 245, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
-Gamma Quadrant
PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
Also, if tw and U2 form a hydra it should be called Detroit Become Human.
I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.
Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)
In post 253, Mewtaph wrote:Not really following this. Why does scum-to-town not give an out at all? Why does the described scum-to-scum scenario have to involve Mephistophanes 39 giving an out to Shoshin the worst at all?
In post 146, Alchemist21 wrote:@Mod; Is there going to be a record of previous Days’ player list orders or do players have to manually keep track of previous orders?
In post 251, ProFlavor wrote:I don't like u r a person 2 pushing pint - the push has a lot of stuff that pint hasn't done (e.g. promise of catch up) and less stuff along the lines of "pint is scummy because he did X"
why is activity now AI?
~ woof
In post 371, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.
No, I’m not suspicious of Nico for lurking, she does that a lot as town, especially on D1. It’s what she said, that is making me suspicious. That’s why I want to get her answer to my question.
In post 374, ProFlavor wrote:In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.
Nicos 2nd post came across like “ugh fine I’ll play if I must” - like a setup for later so she can be like “I’m lurking because I told you I’m already not really engaged in this game” (it’s a weak read on one sentence tbh)
U R is more like “I’m don’t see pint doing anything so I’ll just apply pressure” - I note his point that he knows Pint and wants to sort that slot - but I’m sure U r knows how to play the game in general so there are plenty of other dudes to sort - sticking on a read that basically consists of “he’s not doing anything” makes me think he wants to line up the rest of his reads to “fit in” with town - you can’t do that whilst (up to page 11 which I’ve read properly) most of the game has been about STW because you don’t know who is going to obvtown or scum it up
So I feel like U r is biding his time on an easy read
In post 398, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 296, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 245, Shoshin the worst wrote:In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
-Gamma Quadrant
PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
Also, if tw and U2 form a hydra it should be called Detroit Become Human.
I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.
Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)
Town.
Could you throw me a couple of things which you think are unlikely to come from scum!you this game so we can tighten up our read?
In post 735, u r a person 2 wrote:STW offered a chance to cooperate when they asked who we should vote for
I gave them a list of slots I was interested in getting more from
STW picked T&L
In post 738, Almost Chara wrote:@Alch: What do you think of my current lynch pool. Do you TR any of them?
In post 738, Almost Chara wrote:@Alch: What do you think of my current lynch pool. Do you TR any of them?
In post 870, profii wrote:In post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:In post 855, Varsoon wrote:What are your reads, URAP2?
Care to share who you are PoE'ing through and why?
I've been just kinda glossing your recent posts, so if there's answers there, sorry.
Feed it to me
-V
lots out of game on my plate today. haven't read over yesterday yet. this is where im at right now. I'm also interested in taly as I continue doing a round of looking at my town reads.
1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) town
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) ???
3. Mewtaph ???
4. u r a person 2 hey, that's me
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) town
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) town
7. pinturucchio town
8. nicorobin ???
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) ???
10. Kokichi Oma ???
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) town
12. alchemist21 town
13. Taly town
14. Varsoon town
Your read list is like a lot of town reads and question marks on the lurkier slots
I did a similar read list and got similar results in my hydra PT
So when STW said this game is hard to read I kinda town read that - because for this reason, it kinda is
In post 872, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Townleaning both rotisserie slap chop and Bono.
In post 952, Taly wrote:Alchemist is someone I want to sort more.
I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality on STW 128 133, 153 and the vote/unvote onto UP2 734 and 736), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.
ProFlavor, Michael Scott, and Pint need an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.
Mephisto reread / UP2 Wagon Evaluation / ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pint are the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.
In post 965, Mewtaph wrote:
Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.
It was an open ended question, so I wasn't expecting any answer in particular.In post 936, Taly wrote:In post 772, Mewtaph wrote:I like u r a person 2 for town quite a bit actually, and I would be willing to do my first active sort to them, Taly or Varsoon.
I think NicoRobin is a decent point to poke with a stick before deadline rears too close, but is a bad wagon to get going near deadline in case they are really just apathetic!town.
I don't know why pinturrichio keeps pushing their content back repeatedly but it's not a great look.
I didn't like the initial voting on UP2 when I first skimmed through it, the reasons for a scumread there lacked substance (Prompting Michael Scott to explain why he thought UP2's posts were manufactured, that's the vote that most got my attention when it happened.)
I agree a bit on Nico. A lurker lynch won't get anywhere, and I don't trust the fact that everyone is like "where's the scum at"?
:/ I get my vote on Kokichi contradicts the above statement, but I'm working to change this.
Pint pushing content back... not a great look? Or scum-indicative?
I thought ignoring u r a person 2's self-referential call for a wagon on himself by means of a vote over interaction was scummy. There is a part of me that thinks that scum would be looking for something to do outside of STW's wagon after it dissolved.
Mmm, yes. This is how I feel too.
I'm not taking Pint having to push his content back as scum indicative but I'm saying it would've been bad if posts along those lines continued, which I guess is pointless now.
In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:
In post 1012, Varsoon wrote:They're kind of infamous for this.
I think they even had a 3-game limit for awhile because of it.
It's a shame, because I really like when they do give it their all in a game.
-V
In post 1017, Taly wrote:In post 982, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 952, Taly wrote:Alchemist is someone I want to sort more.
I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality on STW 128 133, 153 and the vote/unvote onto UP2 734 and 736), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.
ProFlavor, Michael Scott, and Pint need an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.
Mephisto reread / UP2 Wagon Evaluation / ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pint are the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.
I don’t know what you expect me to respond to here. I’ve made myself pretty clear so if you’re still insure about something you’ll need to ask specific questions instead of asking for a response to a vaguely reasoned read.
I wasn't convinced by your original STW vote, so can you explain how that read has evolve since 422?
And what were your thoughts on UP2/STW's interaction after you unvoted in 736? You stated an argument they were scum/town but you didn't follow up in a change of thought when UP2 clarified something to you.
Do you see anything scum-indicative with Mewtaph aside from their reasoning to keep their vote on you?
In post 1168, pinturicchio wrote:I'm really sorry guys, I don't want to play this game at this moment. Yesterday I did excercise for the first time after surgery and it was good but I went to sleep early since I have no energy at all (I'm still on a restricted diet because of surgery), and before falling asleep I was like "fuck I haven't read the thread" and gave me anxiety 'cause I feel like this is a commitment that I'm not honouring... I hate when I'm fully committed to something and there's someone who's not, and right now I'm doing that.
I had a rough week. I'll try to wash it away and come back, but if I'm not able to do so, I'll have to replace out. You don't deserve this.
In post 1190, Michael Scott wrote:I'm comfortable with my vote on Nico. I think a scum flip there would be useful anyway, given we have associatives already WRT who's trying to lead away from her lynch, and such.
Is there anyone convincingly scum at this point? I'm not seeing scum!STW how Varsoon is.
In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiipppp
In post 912, Krazy wrote:NicoRobin is being replaced. Nico can remain in the game if they post game-advancing content before a replacement is found. (Last prodge does not adhere to rule for prodges, which must include some game advancing content)
In post 969, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Shoshin
In post 1241, Almost Chara wrote:In post 998, Alchemist21 wrote:Taly’s vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get a response from me. Mewtaph’s reason for keeping his was sketchy.
i see later that you confidently state Mewtaph is scum, and also note this as the only reason. i'm not sure if it convinces me, but Mewtaph's also in our PoE so i find myself not caring too much.
~Chara
In post 1301, Shoshin the worst wrote:.....the fuck is anyone townreading this? I'm gonna speak to my partner but this is a joke.
In post 1308, Mewtaph wrote:
Okay, but this casual narrative you're trying to play out here doesn't fit the timeline. You were already laughing at the slot, except before you decided to go down the discredit and obtain from contributing elsewhere gameplan, your reaction to me holding onto a vote on you was anything but comedic. Explain to me how any content I make is "icing on the cake" now when the basis of your scumread is inherently based on riding the wave of consensus to try to ride me out the playerlist?
In post 1309, Varsoon wrote:Yeah I'm not all that excited about wagoning Mewtaph.
The way people are treating that slot is criminal, too.
Like, I personally know that when people call my play a joke, I get incredibly frustrated and it tilts me something hella fierce.
That kinda shit does no favors to the gamestate or towards actually sorting a slot.
-V
In post 1312, Mewtaph wrote:Discrediting me as an excuse not to generate actual thought process on my slot. That's not an inconsistency, that's exactly what you're doing here.
In post 1392, ProFlavor wrote:The fact that Varsoon, Mewtaph, and I are the three on Shoshin right now shows me that this is more than likely a scum slot.
Varsoon is hard town here. I’ve recently gotten to witness directly both townVarsoon and scumVarsoon, and really I’ve known Varsoon for like 4 and a half years now, so I’m pretty happy with my read there.
Mewtaph is town for the wagon composition. Mustang and Nancy pushing onto a townie the way they did makes total sense, and then people, and scumShoshin, decide to jump on to Mewtaph.
This also semi incriminates Jjh slot, but I’ll let them catchup first.
I realize my slot will probably be tried to use as a counterwagon option after pushing Shoshone like this, so unless you wanna try to 1v1 me and out explain the damn awful play it would have been to let Mewtaph live in this situation as scum...well, go for it. I could have just kept not playing the game and allowing Profii to play in that situation. Mewtaph likely would have been killed.
So there, Mewtaph and I would have to be scum together AND you’d have to think I would Super obviously protect them in this position AND I would hard town read Varsoon, a solid player who I know would very much end up tunneling me if he thinks I’m scum.
Long story short, Only town are on the Shoshin wagon right now. Bet.
In post 1464, ProFlavor wrote:In post 1457, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:In post 1446, ProFlavor wrote:I would say STW/Alchemist. Neither of them are townie whatsoever.
Scum was on the Mewtaph wagon. Regardless of Mew’s alignment.
I just freaking told you that I see 0 difference in his play here, than in OK 2, in fact, he is even more obviously townie here, so once I again, pretend I’m dumb and explain to me how Alchemist is possibly scum here?
He wasn’t even in OK2 much, and yes, it’s similar. Any decent scum player is going to be able to match their town play, especially Day 1. Why are you using that as a full excuse that Alchemist can absolutely not be scum here?
Are you hatcheting me so STW doesn’t get killed?
~Leaf
In post 1531, Tibor and Lumia wrote:In post 993, Shoshin the worst wrote:I think it's just Mewtaph and Taly atm but it does not make any sense to me, either.
Looks like it was just Mew tbh. I don't know what their shared meta is rn, Mew/Alchemist care to elucidate me?
-Gamma Emerald, reader of YA literature at age 19
In post 1835, pinturicchio wrote:In post 998, Alchemist21 wrote:Taly’s vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get a response from me. Mewtaph’s reason for keeping his was sketchy.
I don't agree. Taly's vote, followed by the "actively engaging" thingy is sketchy. I don't agree with Mewtaph's reasoning, but coming to the thread with his first read being on you as a scumread when everyone else was townreading you? I don't see the scum rationale from that. Your vote on him seemed OMGUSy to me.
In post 2409, Almost Chara wrote:OK.. now please follow the others' responses. You know how many specific notches you requested to move up, but DO NOT REVEAL IT NOW. You can then verify everyone's been telling the truth when everyone has claimed.
@Creature/@Alch: Whichever of you sees this first, please tell us what option did you use to move on the list and how much slots (if the format required such specification) as well as WHY you did it. Thanks you
~A50
In post 2409, Almost Chara wrote:OK.. now please follow the others' responses. You know how many specific notches you requested to move up, but DO NOT REVEAL IT NOW. You can then verify everyone's been telling the truth when everyone has claimed.
@Creature/@Alch: Whichever of you sees this first, please tell us what option did you use to move on the list and how much slots (if the format required such specification) as well as WHY you did it. Thanks you
~A50
In post 2454, pinturicchio wrote:Someone trying to frame Mew.
What I got about Mew on D1 is that he's a man of few words, except when he's pressured, so I assume that being pressured is not comfortable for him since he has to act unnatural. Killing Meph is a risk of being pressured again, so I imagine scum!Mew asking his fellow partners "hey, could we NOT kill Meph? That would point towards me".
The counter argument of this is that leaving Meph alive would possibly mean pressure coming from the loudest player towards him, since Meph was pushing the Meph wagon a lot. BUT, as ProFlavor said, Meph stated that they would push Varsoon if Shoshin flipped green. And Meph was a wrecking ball on D1, so that could be used in scum's agenda.
So in conclusion, I agree with Mew: scum tried to frame him.
In post 2462, ProFlavor wrote:im Unconvinced
Vig could just hope we lynch the fact Varsoon shot a blank thus enabling town to realise the real vig is still about
Perhaps the real vig thinks of themselves more as an IC than a vig because they think they might team kill, so it’s more important to declare IC later
In post 2799, Michael Scott wrote:Alchemist, claim pls
Also reads?
In post 2804, Michael Scott wrote:Explain the TR on AC please, I'm getting paranoid about that slot.
In post 2879, Michael Scott wrote:Eh, screw it - I think too much discussion here is just going to confuse us, and that confusion isn't worth the gambit.
The part I stated I omitted was that I'm X-shot BP. (Not revealing X)
I thought I could bait a NK. This is how I was 'informed' of multiple BP; since I'm the other BP.
I'm pretty sure T&L and jjh927 aren't W/W here so I made that assertion.
In post 2974, Michael Scott wrote:I think what's best is if you move to the bottom again, and drag ProFlavor beneath you (If jjh927 is lynched). This way, Varsoon's quite a few positions away from ProFlavor *and* Alchemist|You. I think the only way to kill him in that case would be an air attack; and if Almost Chara is town, they should mostly block it, thus forcing scum to perhaps choose a different target.
In post 2992, Almost Chara wrote:In post 2976, Alchemist21 wrote:Prod received.
hi Alch, remind me where you're at right now? game is super inactive and if MS is power scum we're losing this one. if not i think we're still okay.
jjh feels like an inevitable lynch and that's what worries me about him being town. i know that scum could just not be putting their full effort in, of course, but when it's minimum effort in a gamestate like this to be active, it's a great time for the scum to make sure things are going their way.
it's also very likely we'll die tonight if scum doesn't shoot Varsoon so i'd to talk while i'm still here.
~Chara
In post 3003, Mewtaph wrote:In post 3001, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 2992, Almost Chara wrote:In post 2976, Alchemist21 wrote:Prod received.
hi Alch, remind me where you're at right now? game is super inactive and if MS is power scum we're losing this one. if not i think we're still okay.
jjh feels like an inevitable lynch and that's what worries me about him being town. i know that scum could just not be putting their full effort in, of course, but when it's minimum effort in a gamestate like this to be active, it's a great time for the scum to make sure things are going their way.
it's also very likely we'll die tonight if scum doesn't shoot Varsoon so i'd to talk while i'm still here.
~Chara
My strongest scumread is still Mewtaph. ProFlavor and MS seem like likely partners but I’m not sure on them. If Mew’s a goon ProFlavor is most likely Town, and if JJ flips scum MS is more likely Town.
What really sticks out to me though is how MS started trying to play around Varsoon’s vig shot as soon as Varsoon said it had a limited range. It wouldn’t really surprise me if Mew/MS are both scum and ProFlavor is Town who’s in an awkward situation.
I'm curious, what do you want my night action to be? Drag/no drag - move where, drag where?
In post 3024, Almost Chara wrote:i'm also okay voting Mewtaph, should i do that as well?
~Chara
In post 3061, Varsoon wrote:Still not really.
Actually incredibly worried that your push for a massclaim was just to out roles like Chara's so that scum would have a roadmap to victory and you bussed JJH to distract from something else.
In post 3076, Michael Scott wrote:In post 3069, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 3061, Varsoon wrote:Still not really.
Actually incredibly worried that your push for a massclaim was just to out roles like Chara's so that scum would have a roadmap to victory and you bussed JJH to distract from something else.
What do you think he’d be distracting us from? I’m also a bit paranoid but there’s some crazy wifom involved if it really is a bus.
2 BP’s is still feasible imo, but with the fact that 3 claims came out and 1 flipped scum I can’t help but wonder if scum deliberately had 2 members claim BP thinking a bus on one cleared the other and weren’t expecting an actual Town BP claim to happen.
What you are referring to is the fake claim + fake counterclaim gambit, where two scum both make the same fakeclaim in hopes that when one of them is lynched, the other falsely becomes "confirmed town". But remember here that the claim order was 1) Jjh claimed BP first (see: post 2766), 2) T&L(Firebringer) claimed BP second (see: post 2769), and 3) we claimed BP third (see: post 2879). So if we were scum with Jjh, we only get the most out of doing something like that if no townie claimed BP, because no one is going to doubt that there is one town-aligned BP in a 14 player game. So why would we fakeclaim BP after 1) our scumbuddy Jjh fakeclaimed BP and 2) T&L(Firebringer), a townie, claimed BP? You mentioned that if we are scum we "weren’t expecting an actual town BP claim to happen", but it literally happened BEFORE we claimed BP, in your hypothetical scenario where we are scum with Jjh and T&L(Firebinger) is town. So if we were scum with Jjh and our plan was to do that gambit to get one of us townlocked, we could have easily aborted the gambit as soon as we saw that T&L(Firebringer) claimed BP after Jjh claimed BP.
And besides all of that, the whole point of the fake claim + fake counterclaim gambit is to claim a role that town is unlikely to have in the first place – that’s the whole point of the gambit. Scum can’t reasonably expect there to be no town-aligned BP roles.
This is a 14-player game with 11 town vs 3 scum. Two town-aligned BP roles sounds right to me.
On the other hand, Almost Chara's flip (town-aligned anti-air unit) 100% confirms that there is a scum-aligned air unit, because otherwise their role would be pointless. You and Mewtaph both claimed Zerg air units. Jjh's fakeclaim was "Zerg hatchery", and his actual role was "Terran Command Center". In the Starcraft II game, The Terran Command Center (see: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Command_Center_(Legacy_of_the_Void) ) is the Terran equivalent of the Zerg hatchery (see: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Hatchery_(Legacy_of_the_Void)). Both are the main bases of each respective faction. And notice how each nightkill has the flavor of "marine gunfire", and the Terran faction’s basic unit is the marine (see: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Marine_(Legacy_of_the_Void)). And Almost Chara's role PM talks about scum air units like observers (from the Protoss faction; see: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Observer_(Legacy_of_the_Void)) and Ravens (from the Terran faction; see: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Raven_(Legacy_of_the_Void)). So clearly, the flavor in this game is that zerg = town, and scum = definitely Terran and possibly Protoss as well (though we’ve only seen a Terran scum role and a Terran nightkill flavor so far).
With JJh's actual role (Terran Command Center) being the Terran equivalent of his fakeclaim (Zerg Hatchery), it stands to reason that each scum is likely to be given a fakeclaim that has some correspondence to their real role. So in other words, there is a scum air-unit, they are either a Terran air unit or a Protoss air unit, and their fakeclaim is for a Zerg air unit. And besides all of that, in my opinion it's extremely unlikely that there would be three-town aligned air units, and that the scum air unit would fakeclaim a ground unit like the zergling (see: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Zergling_(Legacy_of_the_Void)).
I am 100% certain that one of you or Mewtaph is scum, so today should be about sorting the two of you.
- Volxen
In post 3086, Firebringer wrote:I have gut townread on pint and no read on anyone else.
I am assuming ur town here because I assume u were the leading force on the jjh yesterday or something.
In post 3089, Firebringer wrote:In post 3088, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 3086, Firebringer wrote:I have gut townread on pint and no read on anyone else.
I am assuming ur town here because I assume u were the leading force on the jjh yesterday or something.
Fire I’m getting increasingly paranoid about everything right now so if you’re Town I’m gonna need you to help me be sure of it.
what exactly u want from me. I am lazy here and I thought I was sort of cleared from suspicion
In post 3108, Firebringer wrote:Alchemist is definitely a player that will buss someone if they see them going down.
In post 3202, Firebringer wrote:Alch why r u so clearly looking for ways to poke holes in peoples townieness that it is blatant to me and everyone else?
In post 3215, Firebringer wrote:In post 3211, Alchemist21 wrote:Fire, you’re seriously weirding me out right now. If you ISO’d me like you said you did you should know by now this is my Towngame.
really? cause from my stance u have weirded me out a lot more.
theres a detachment in ur approach to me.
word usage is impersonal while you hint at a personal reason i should be townreading u.
your back and forth on me while you try to go between scumreading me and townreading me has no sincerity in it.
i don't know man. you tell me what is wrong here.
In post 3228, Firebringer wrote:In post 3226, Alchemist21 wrote:I have reached out to you specifically and put you in the top 3 players that should be able to read me. How is that not a personal connection to you? Trying to read me for specific word usage is like when people say “to be honest” is a scumtell; no, it’s just personal diction.
well i am not using specific words as a scum tell friendo.
i am talking about ur approach to me in generals because I can't be as precise with these tonal feelings i get from reading ur posts.
they just don't got that alch!town feel i think.
What you worried about with regards to me though?
In post 3238, Firebringer wrote:I wouldn't take any posting after hammer talk from the flipped to mean much. WE CAN DISSECT IT TOMORROW TOGETHER EINSTEIN
In post 3289, Michael Scott wrote:In post 3282, Alchemist21 wrote:I hate to say it but Mew’s the only one being reasonable here. MS and Pint have both come in with immediate pushes on each other. One of them has to be scum but now I’m not sure if this wasn’t lylo distancing between them. It’s really weird how MS said they talked about voting anyways during the Night but then retracted that vote just 12 minutes later.
Ok that’s a lot of p-edit but I see that pint vote’s back.
Alchemist, Mewtaph is literally confirmed scum from your POV if you are town. I explained this at the end of day one -- how can you not see this?
How many times must I repeat that there are exactly TWO scum ground units and ONE scum air unit? It's been proven beyond any doubt through everything that has happened.
You and Mewtaph are not both town, it is simply 100% impossible for the both of you to be town.
- Volxen
In post 3278, pinturicchio wrote:Also bringing up the strongman yesterday out of nowhere and making that kill to prove the existence of it in order to have an alibi for their fake claim? Genius.
In post 3308, pinturicchio wrote:Alch you're agreeing with scum!me?
In post 3465, Krazy wrote:I think almost everyone in dead discord thought lynching Mewtaph was scum wincon so this was quite a twist
In post 3545, pinturicchio wrote:But you said you read only three pages