BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[BrightEyedFish]

We have no night ability

-d

Does your ability decrease as we get less BOONus rooms?

[BrightEyedFish]

It does not, and we can and have activated ourselves. Boon has confirmed to us that it is not a visiting role and that loyal/disloyal does not affect it.

-d

Just like he told you there were multiple BOONus rooms?

[BrightEyedFish]

Just like he told you there were multiple BOONus rooms?

We were in a Boonus room and had activated people to be in boonus rooms that were not in our boonus room, vis-a-vis there were multiple Boonus Rooms. Additionally:

BOONus Rounds

• Along with the night phase, there will be the BOONus Rounds. When there are more than 18 players alive, 9 players will be chosen for this, more than 12, 6 players, and more than 6 players alive, 3 players. These BOONus Rounds will give potential Prizes to players, which you can then choose to keep for yourself, or anonymously give to other players. To make it fair, PRIORITY will be given to players who have not been involved in these rounds as the game goes on.

You yourself should have known that there were multiple Boonus rooms, given the start of game ruleset and basic math, since you were in a boonus room with us n1, and it did not have 9 players in it.

-d

Yeah but on D2 you said Boon told you there were other rooms. Without mention of the guidelines.

[BrightEyedFish]

I also remember your "if" comment.

[BrightEyedFish]

bef why didnt you come forward with this earlier
did you realise you were in conflict with profii

Because I sent it to profii. He confirmed he received it on D2. My 1 shot was up. I can't say why it ended up with TLK on D3.

An earlier claim wouldn't have changed anything.

[BrightEyedFish]

its entirely possible that im giving bef more credit than he deserves
if drewva wants bef first i'll sheep it
we have a 1v1 i want to resolve it
so i picked the one that made more sense to me
i havent actually read far back enough to see his claim since you guys spammed the thread again, i just saw enough to gather the situation

It’s suspicious af that he never claimed giving sf to Profil and pushed TLK mislynch, when he he pused town!Ram mislynch N2. He was also dead set on Elsa being lynched over scum!Smart.

Am I missing anything, @BEF?

Part of the reason I pushed TLK was because of the fruit. I knew profii wasn't lying that he had it and I believed he didn't intend for it to go to TLK for whatever reason.

That's about right for my reads.

I wasn't a fan of the EFN wagon, I was wrong.
I pushed Ram and TLK, I was wrong.
I SR SS, but I wanted EJ first.. I still could be right. who knows at this point.

In short, my big reads have been way off. Maybe I can say the same for my D1 TR on profii... maybe I was way off there as well.

[BrightEyedFish]

Ok. well, it looks liekt he votes are coming towards me.

I haven't lied about my role or my actions. I have no more info to give to prove my alignment, the rest is up to everyone to decide if what's out there is valid or not.

Please follow CD's advice before they were killed. And read the dead people ISOs

My last reads are thinking there is scum here in no particular order:

PP, profii, DrewVa, Jingle, EJ

[BrightEyedFish]

Call it being defeated or whatever, but there is nothing more I can say that hasn't been said 1,000 time about my role/actions. My vote currently sits on profii if that matters.

[BrightEyedFish]

1: You do believe there is a mechanical 1v1? There is no way, in your understanding, that this is somehow T/T?

2: I know you've talked about this some, that you thought you would die and you wanted to use your action, but if your intention was to take the loyal modifier in the boonus round, and you only had one charge, why would you vend your first charge on n1 when you could have potentially gotten a second charge and a second loyal visiting action off?

3: This might be an odd question, but why is Creature not in your final FoSes there? Wasn't he the other main option in your dayrep theory that you've been pushing? Do you townread his slot?

-d

I didn't think I would die because scum would be after me because of my role. I figured I would be lynchbait or go all crazy ith a fake claim or whatever. But I kept it relatively together this game I think, maybe I had some wild theories but I always do.

Another reason I sent it so early, was because shortly before this game started I came under fire (granted after a neo fake claim) that I didn't use my 1-shot before N2... I think I had that in my head and thought that I had beter use it so I don't get that line of questioning again down the line if needed. Learning by doing. Also, I felt getting a 2nd charge would be great. Profii annoucing he had the fruit regardless of his alignment would put any future scum under pressure if they did receive the fruit to announce it because it was public knowledge that the fruit exists so I didn't see any unsolvable problems is subsequent fruit happened to land in scum hands.

If profii hadn't quickly announced that he received the fruit I would have most likely claimed on D2 and we would have probably already sorted that mess but I trusted profii for annoucing it so quick.

Yeah for sure you can throw karm/creature in that list becasue of the day rep thing. I totally spaced on that while writing that post.

[BrightEyedFish]

Here is a link to the game where I fake claimed Neop if anyone is interested:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78012

[BrightEyedFish]

Well, you don't sound terribly scum in tone, but I also don't know what else to do here. I don't like favoring mechanics over reads. I have no idea how many scum are in your final pool there but Penguin is never scum here and frankly while we've been at odds I don't really know why you think our slot is scum. So I'm not exactly blown away by your final reads, although who knows. I don't even really want to lynch you, I haven't particularly wanted to lynch you since you came at us day 2, and if there is some sort of fuckup here along the line somewhere, given the number of strange coincidences involved in this crossclaim, I don't want there to be two back to back mislynches for sure, and I'm not thrilled with profii not really getting in here either. Even despite the mechanics here Nancy would prefer to lynch N&M but it doesn't sound like you would even want that from your final reads. But frankly I am just really fucking sick of dealing with this sticky fruit nonsense. I don't know if I've somehow overprioritized this cross-claim just because it involved TLK's death and everything there or what. Maybe TLK baited the crossclaim because he just wanted his SuperSaint ability to go off. In which case, holy shit, what a gamethrow. But I don't see how we play around potential gamethrows or mod errors and I don't know how we ignore mechanical cross-claims in a setup that specifically states setup potential.

Still want to hear from profii a bit more before day end. If anyone thinks that *somehow* this is actually T/T and we should just lynch N&M and do some mechanical checks on BEF and profii let me know.

-d

I was in favor of an N&M lynch earlier in the day but after their exchange with EJ and sine I've been townleaning N&M.
But as I've already mentioned, my reads haven't been stellar

[BrightEyedFish]

I want to get a shotgunned readslist from Bef and Profii before I vote. If it's in the last couple pages please repost it because I'm not sifting through you guys toxic implosions. Sorry not sorry to all involved.

I think there is scum in here, not for sure on how to order them though.

PP, profii, DrewVa, Jingle, EJ, Creature

[BrightEyedFish]

We will vote for BEF with the understanding that if he flips town we, without question, lynch profii the next day.

I will flip town and that won't change the fact that I sent profii the fruit. I don't see how my town flip will implicate profii even if I think he is scum since I had no loyal modifier or anything.

I know this doesn't help my case but it's the truth.

[BrightEyedFish]

I could swear I got the loud modifier

But it seems you didn't. I don't believe for a second that Boon deleted it from your confessional or hacked in and deleted your PM.

[BrightEyedFish]

Can profii check his PMs that he sent the loud?

[BrightEyedFish]

Mechanical 1v1 between BEF and profii. One of them is confirmed to be lying.

BEF is the stronger role for scum, so lynch there first.

N&M, if reelclaiming, is potentially useful for town tonight.

How am I the stronger role? If I were scum and had more than 1 shot and with just a few scum left they would already have enough fruit to pass around to each other to use it's ability...

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't think people will change their minds so it seems I'm a goner.

I wish I had more dying words that could help out. I'll just say it again so you know.

I am a Town 1-shot Sticky Fruit Vendor.
I used that 1 shot on profii N1.
I never received any gifts or anything.

I think there is scum in here:
PP, profii, DrewVa, Jingle, EJ, Creature

[BrightEyedFish]

@una, Jingle and PP

When you replaced in did you get a new confessional or did you just get added to your predecessor's?

[BrightEyedFish]

I didn't replace in.

Sorry. I just glanced at the OP. Forgot you just replaced your own hydra.

[BrightEyedFish]

@Boon, this is critically important, did Creature receive a LOUD from Profil n2, or didn’t he?

The ENTIRE game is resting on your answer Thanks.

I think that question puts Boon in a bad spot. I think a better question is something like

@BOON Are their any actions that are not accounted for due to a mod error?

[BrightEyedFish]

Also asking a Mod to admit to fucking up is... More black then grey.

How would you ask or would you not ask?

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't think Boon can out that Creature gave something to someone publicly, Nancy.

No, Profil has claimed to give Creature a LOUD. Creature remembers receiving it but now can’t find it.

This is troubling because whether or not Creature received the LOUD or not, could determine which of BEF/Profil are likely to be telling the truth.

If Creature never got the LOUD, then it be because scum!Smart jailkept Profil and that BEF gave TLK the stickyfruit but if Creature did in fact receive Profil’s LOUD, then it meant that Profil couldn’t have been jailkept and possibly lied about giving stickyfruit to to TLK instead of Penguin.

So, this unresolved issue both affects this lynch and the entire game.

Wouldn't a profii flip solve this problem as well as solving the issue people are having with my slot?

[BrightEyedFish]

And a profii flip would shed light on Creature as well.

[BrightEyedFish]

How will my mislynch solve anything?

[BrightEyedFish]

How will my mislynch solve anything?

How do we know Profil isn’t?

I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.

But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.

Can profii only send loyals to the same alignment as himself?

[BrightEyedFish]

How will my mislynch solve anything?

How do we know Profil isn’t?

I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.

But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.

Which he used on us with his neghbourize.

So, you’re far more likely to be lying here, than Profil.

Ok. How about this one.

What would we learn about profii's role and my role from a creature flip?

[BrightEyedFish]

How will my mislynch solve anything?

How do we know Profil isn’t?

I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.

But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.

Can profii only send loyals to the same alignment as himself?

I think so, isn’t that what that modifier means: same alignment as your own?

So, for Profil to be lying about that, it also would have to mean that both Penguin and us are also lying about that and we know our alignment, so, I don’t see how Profil could be lying.

Tin foil: maybe TLK did WIFOM us, like Xtoxm is saying? I dunno.

Profii would have to have the loyal modifier on himself for him to ONLY be able to gift to the same alignment. From what I understand he just gifted the loyal and doesn't have the loyal modifier in his role.

[BrightEyedFish]

[quote="In post 8987, DrewVa"
So, for Profil to be lying about that, it also would have to mean that both Penguin and us are also lying about that and we know our alignment, so, I don’t see how Profil could be lying.

Tin foil: maybe TLK did WIFOM us, like Xtoxm is saying? I dunno.[/quote]


So, you think I'm lying when I say that I sent my fruit to profii even after he confirms it.
And you think profii isn't lying when he says he sent it to PP but it landed on TLK which TLK confirmed.

How does profii's claim have more truth than mine?

[BrightEyedFish]

@everyone who isn't DrewVa

How do you feel about a DrewVa lynch today?

They are playing like they are masterminds who were supposed to have a mechanical solve today, yet they act like they don't know how loyal works. They are playing mastermind and noob at the same time and posting nothing but pointless WIFOM and making this about me v profii.

[BrightEyedFish]

I have a guess about tonight's kill and it's not us or jingle

-d

Can it be me? Not by vigi obviously, but maybe mafia will be sick of my shit and take me out.

Yes. We actually have a full mechanical solve of the game so long as elsa jay is alive tomorrow. That's right, if scum do not shoot elsa they are 100% doomed.

-d

[BrightEyedFish]

Emphasis, I didn’t address it to Boon but his answer will hopefully clear up which of BEF/Profil is more likely to be telling the truth about stickygate.

Narp.

Scenario A.

Profii Scum, Creat Scum, No Loud- Profii didn't action.
Profii Scum, Creat Town, No Loud- Profii didn't action.
Profii Town, Creat Scum, No Loud- Profii blockededed.
Profii Town, Creat Town, No Loud- Profii blockededed.

Scenario 1

Profii Scum, Creat Scum, Loud- lmao.
Profii Scum, Creat Town, Loud- Profii actionated.
Profii Town, Creat Scum, Loud- Profii actionated.
Profii Town, Creat Town, Loud- Profii actionated.

This whole series of questions solves nothing about profii except possibly proving that he has the role we all assume he has.

This is a good post. But how does my flip fit in these equation?

[BrightEyedFish]

This is a good post. But how does my flip fit in these equation?

You're uh... still in a mechanical 1v1 with profii?

Creature claiming loud implies scum in {Creature/profii/PP} or the existence of a scum rolestopper. You could argue that getting creature to commit to whether he's loud or not helps point the lynch at profii if he is, but the amount of effort to get this is . And I'm kinda leaning lynch creature from the not being able to tell if he's loud or not.

Would a creature lynch help us solve profii and in turn solve my role?

[BrightEyedFish]

Or a PP lynch could solve like this in one go:

PP-Profii-Creature-Me

[BrightEyedFish]

Nope. We're definitely lynching in you/profii today. None of the other associations are strong enough to chain lynches.

Nice try tho.

Explain how my flip as town or scum solves anything?

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't think people will change their minds so it seems I'm a goner.

I wish I had more dying words that could help out. I'll just say it again so you know.

I am a Town 1-shot Sticky Fruit Vendor.
I used that 1 shot on profii N1.
I never received any gifts or anything.

I think there is scum in here:
PP, profii, DrewVa, Jingle, EJ, Creature

For someone who was resigned to being lynched you are throwing everything you have to try and get anyone else lynched.

And no one is coming to my side.

[BrightEyedFish]

If me flipping town will help town then lynch away.
Go ahead and end the day day reps. You have what you need.

[BrightEyedFish]

Sinking ship.

That's exactly what it feels like.

[BrightEyedFish]

Your alignment is opposite profii's (barring ridiculous scum theater, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case at this point). If we mislynch today we lynch scum tomorrow.

What's would be better for town?
A profii or BEF town flip?

[BrightEyedFish]

If Creature did get LOUD n2, it means that Profil couldn’t have been jailkept and if Creature never got the LOUD, it means he probably was, this is why figuring this out is so important.

From the current modifiers I have, none of them are loud. So go off from that. If it's wrong we blame mod/forum screwup postgame.

I have a theory

[BrightEyedFish]

If Creature did get LOUD n2, it means that Profil couldn’t have been jailkept and if Creature never got the LOUD, it means he probably was, this is why figuring this out is so important.

From the current modifiers I have, none of them are loud. So go off from that. If it's wrong we blame mod/forum screwup postgame.

I have a theory

Here is my theory:


Profii and Creature share a PT (cough scum pt)
Then they decided profii would make Creature loud.
Maybe profii said so in the scum PT but didn't do so in his confessional. In my confessional it clearly states that only the night actions and votes cast in the confessional will count.

So profii didn't cast his action in the confessional so it didn't go through but since they talked about it in the scum PT, they assumed it went through. And Creature said we blame Mod OR FORUM SCREWUP!

[BrightEyedFish]

Confessional Threads

• We're on a competitive game show, aren't we? Every single player, or one per hydra, will have a unique individual Confessionals Thread. Any votes or night actions used in this game are to be activated from within this thread. There will be an end of the day vote count with timestamps for all the votes. Good thing I have a Duck of a Production Assistant that works for no pay to keep up with this, amirite? This means that there will be no voting in the main game thread, to further push the Reality Show with Confessionals feel. You may still use the vote tags.

Every. Single. Player.

[BrightEyedFish]

@profii I believe the last outstanding issue for you is that RCE asked you to shotgun some reads. What are your reads rn?

-d

@profii

I haven't been avoiding you, just sayin'

[BrightEyedFish]

just end the day DrewVa, you can get profii's reads tomorrow

[BrightEyedFish]

Wait, who should I vig btw?

Creature

[BrightEyedFish]

@jingle, your end the day vote wasn't with the vote tags. Just to make sure, please vote again using the vote tags.

[BrightEyedFish]

Just end it now...

[BrightEyedFish]

@profii

I'm the lynch today, you can just coast this day out. Don't answer any of drewva's questions.

[BrightEyedFish]

Nothing changed over night?
The day still hasn't ended and it still seems like no one SRs me but still I'm the top lynch candidate.

[BrightEyedFish]

But you also don't want to lynch N&M still, right?

-d

There are several others I would rather lynch today but if it came down to me, N&M would go before I do.

[BrightEyedFish]

In Ok 2, BEF was never this survivalistic. Contrast BEF’s reaction to his wagon with town!Ram and town!TLK. He is suggesting lynches on pretty much anyone but him and the fact the he suggested us as a viable lynch, PRE flip, for completely NIA reasons, is extremely unlikely to ever come from town. Therefore, I’m okay with ending the day, if people want us too.

Even contrast BEF with Elsa who only pushed SS and N & M, as opposed to half the playerlist. I’m not townclearing Elsa for that but his reaction to potentially being wagoned D4, sounds a gazillion times townier than BEF’s here.

In OK2 I was playing behind a fake claim and for me its much harder to keep up motivation and enthusiasm playing behind a lie.

[BrightEyedFish]

But you also don't want to lynch N&M still, right?

-d

There are several others I would rather lynch today but if it came down to me, N&M would go before I do.

Yeah, it seems everyone would go before you, that’s why I’m thinking you could be scum here. You didn’t do this when you were being wagoned in OK 2.

If someone gave me a valid reason why my lynch was good for town then I would say go ahead. Instead, everyone is reasoning their vote on me because they think I am lying. Since I know I'm not lying that means none of the votes for me are good for town.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hey BEF, can you at least tell me im not seeing things when I feel like Drew is just gaslighting the shit out of me here? Like all the one liners that can only go to attack my credibility?

They've been playing this way to me as well. I could say

"It's cold in here" they would reply with something like,
"it could be cold but it's probably hot"
and then something changes I would say,
"oh now I'm hot"
and drewva would reply
"Actually you're cold, we know how/what you are, but we feel it's hot"

[BrightEyedFish]

I will give DrewVa props for their consistency with being inconsistent.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hey BEF, can you at least tell me im not seeing things when I feel like Drew is just gaslighting the shit out of me here? Like all the one liners that can only go to attack my credibility?

They've been playing this way to me as well. I could say

"It's cold in here" they would reply with something like,
"it could be cold but it's probably hot"
and then something changes I would say,
"oh now I'm hot"
and drewva would reply
"Actually you're cold, we know how/what you are, but we feel it's hot"

Find examples or stop with the ludicrous WIFOM, kthanx.

DrewVa (about 30 times):
"BEF you're play can't be trusted because of his will/reckless OK2 play and should lynch him"
DrewVa (a few mins ago)
"BEF, you're play is the opposite of OK2, you should be lynched"

[BrightEyedFish]

Finally day is over. Good game all. I was telling the truth except for a recent turn of events about 2 days ago

Who whoever/whatever.

I received the vengeful gift. Already locked in my confessional. DrewVa's going with me!!!

I still believe you can make it to 400 pages.

See you in DT DrewVa!

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh and town, I belive there is another gifter or such a role out there, I received a gift and BOON said it didn't come from a BOONus round.

[BrightEyedFish]

I suspect perhaps the gifter is scum saw my frustration with drewVa and that I was going to be lynched and figured I was use it on DrewVa, they were right and I don't care.

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh and town, I belive there is another gifter or such a role out there, I received a gift and BOON said it didn't come from a BOONus round.

Dude, didnt profii mention that if he gave out all his modifers that a prize would go out?>

I though he was out of mods.. anyways, doesn't matter. I will flip town 1-shot sticky fruit vendor and we will get DrewVa's flip.

Why else do you think I was so giddy to end the day?

[BrightEyedFish]

So if you have the gift, and you therefore know Profii's role is real, why would you not mention this earlier, j/w?

-d

Because I was hoping for this outcome.

[BrightEyedFish]

I suspect perhaps the gifter is scum saw my frustration with drewVa and that I was going to be lynched and figured I was use it on DrewVa, they were right and I don't care.

Profii didnt know where it was going. He seemed to indicate it was random

I don't know who it came from. I can imagine a world where profii claimed a scum partner's role and vice-versa. Seems like what I would do as scum with that role. Makes it too easy.

[BrightEyedFish]

Because I was hoping for this outcome.

j/w but do you feel like I was unfair to you in any way this game? I spent quite a bit of time evaluating the merits of the case, I asked you for other cases, and got a wide range of town input. Why do you seem so personally tilted toward our slot?

-d

Because you said "if"

[BrightEyedFish]

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

Now that I've read through the rules, SK is in the pool of roles so. ????

And if there’s an SK in the setup, they are just as likely to have read the sample role PM as not.

So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Sorry.

What do you mean with "if"?

???

What part of that do you not understand?

Why did you use the word "If" as if you are just guessing what a Town Role PM says.

[BrightEyedFish]

[BrightEyedFish]

My vengeful claim was 100% fake.
I made a play on profii's claim that something was gifted out to make my claim more believable.
Why did I do it?
Well, it was no secret that I had something against DrewVa the entire game. I really thought I was to be lynched and just wanted to give DrewVa a little headache on my way out. I didn't expect twilight to last only ~16 mins.

and that's why...

In the post with DrewVa's flip, boon re-posted the thing about scum having the vigilante ability to end the day phase. I think they saw my fake vengeful claim on DrewVa and decided to use it to frame me. I have no proof of this, I know how it makes me look but it's the truth.

I was in a BOONus round with EJ and RCE, I didn't win but if the winner wants to out themselves then they can do it.

Also, and since it's me and I love the day rep theory...
Dave is the only D2 Day Rep still alive, the other 3 all flipped town. That's where my vote is currently at.

[BrightEyedFish]

Scum can't be vengeful.
PEdit: HELL NO.
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

The way vengeful works is that if I were to be lynched then I could take someone with me. I wasn't lynched thus I can't be vengeful.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hey Boon, I heard some rumours that those conspirators might have some kind of vigilante justice plan which could preemptively end a day phase.

After those bodies showed up, I called in that favour from your contact at the feds. He's gonna do some digging without kicking up too much fuss.

Let's not tell the rest of the contestants for now - maybe they haven't realised anything's wrong yet. I'd hate to scare them.

Scum ended the day phase before the day was officialy ended and used the vig shot. That is what I think happened and why I wasn't lynched.

[BrightEyedFish]

But, I get all the votes on me. Hell, if you replaced me with anyone else in this situation I would probably vote them as well.

I'm just trying to get all of my info out there before any turbolynch.

[BrightEyedFish]

Pedit: There's no Turbolynch because of the End Day feature.

Well, since you and PP are 2 of the day reps and both want me lynched, it just takes nero to agree for the turbolynch.

[BrightEyedFish]

I am assuming PP or Nero won a BOONus Round

[BrightEyedFish]

We're not ending the day until my fruited person claims it. But, yeah, then we're lynch BEF.

I didn't receive your fruit or anything else in case someone was wondering.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think someone was wanting to shut creature up...
Profii or N&M are my guesses.

[BrightEyedFish]

Dave is town.

We can lynch BEF now.

How does town!dave make scum!bef?

[BrightEyedFish]

I would have preferred you resolved Elsa with the fruit but on Bef's scumflip I think she's town anyways.

Who do you have as scum if I flip town?

[BrightEyedFish]

I would have preferred you resolved Elsa with the fruit but on Bef's scumflip I think she's town anyways.

Who do you have as scum if I flip town?

Riddle me this - why would scum pull this stunt off when you were going to be a mislynch anyway? (assuming you are town - from their PoV)
Scum could've waited for your lynch, get another nightkill off, and still Vig someone else later if a wagon on themselves ever formed.
Why use it now just to get a "mislynch" on you through?

I think they found my vengeful fake claim on DrewVa an opportune time and they jumped on it quickly.

[BrightEyedFish]

iirc didn't someone suggest that a creature town flip means there is scum in PP/profii? And if rce's locktown PP is to believed then that leaves us with profii as basically confscum and after profii's scum flip then maybe you will all believe my claim and we can get past this.

[BrightEyedFish]

Dunno. I'm a bit tired today.
But BlurredEnigmaFish has to die today.
If for nothing else, then at least for the Venge-claim.

If we were lynching based off oy principals and morals then EJ would have been lynched 3 times already.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah, but I'm an exception to the rule.

Besides, you claimed a gifted Venge shot and SUDDENLY Mafia use a Dayvig ability. You thought you were dying anyway so you wanted to cover your scum ability about it to drive distrust on the Boonus winners. You didn't take into account that the Mod would out it OR that'd you would live to tell the tale.

#Fishy

I don't know how to defend myself against that. Scum is probably thinking I am there MVP this game so it probably best to lynch me anyways and give them another leg up.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think they found my vengeful fake claim on DrewVa an opportune time and they jumped on it quickly.

Why? Scum would know that you wouldn't flip, and without your flip your "vengeful claim" wouldn't activate. Makes zero sense.

I don't know

[BrightEyedFish]

but i'm assuming scum were more worried about DrewVa than me

[BrightEyedFish]

You even basically admitted in the Bonus room you were scum and went "heh, guess I'll die then". My biggest lie was a timestamp, which a SCUM player tried to get me to hammer. You killed the Ultimate support role we had for town to decide who got in the Bonus room.

I admitted to being scum?

RCE, did you read that?

[BrightEyedFish]

I would have preferred you resolved Elsa with the fruit but on Bef's scumflip I think she's town anyways.

Who do you have as scum if I flip town?

Why are you saying if, when your lynch is assured?

Because I was responding in RCE's lockscum on me.

[BrightEyedFish]

In what world does town!Profii having 3 successful ability uses result in scum getting to vig someone?

The scum!vig ability had nothing to do with profii's role

[BrightEyedFish]

Bef you flailed EoD, flailed in the boonus round and are flailing now. If you die and flip town it makes Profii scum. I doubt that's how this plays out though.

profii is already confscum now based on DrewVa/Creature town flip and PP's conftown.

[BrightEyedFish]

We have to assume Creature did not get the loud for whatever reason. Creature is town and had no reason to lie.

[BrightEyedFish]

Profii is the reason PP is conftown.

That shouldn't matter if me flipping town makes profii scum.

profii makes PP conftown but does town!pp make profii conftown?

It doesn't go both ways

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm trying to weigh up the BEF thing.

BEF was all but lynched, so this could mean that day vig ability was tied to BEF, meaning he had to get the shot away before died, waited for the last second hoping the flip would maybe disguise what happened? and then maybe flail the lynch onto me (Apparently?) today - even without the lynch, it means scum got DrewVa via day vig, Creature via night kill, we lynch BEF today and then scum get another night kill - that is a 3 for 1 and it seems similar to what happened with S_S not sticking on TLK - scum said they would take the hammer but didn't and then they got McQueen, a NK, S_S went then another NK etc - this means someone scummy is considered very town imo.

or 4 for 0.
I will flip town. I will flip 1-shot Sticky Fruit Vendor.

[BrightEyedFish]

profii is already confscum now based on DrewVa/Creature town flip and PP's conftown.

How?

Why does scum!profii make me loyal?

why does scum!me send town!profii sticky fruit?

[BrightEyedFish]

profii is already confscum now based on DrewVa/Creature town flip and PP's conftown.

How?

Why does scum!profii make me loyal?

why does scum!me send town!profii sticky fruit?

That's not an answer to my question.

who knows why scumprofii would send you loyal?
maybe towncred? what good does loyal give to scum when profii needs successful actions for his bonus thing? or just for WIFOM purposes.

[BrightEyedFish]

I would have preferred you resolved Elsa with the fruit but on Bef's scumflip I think she's town anyways.

Who do you have as scum if I flip town?

Why are you saying if, when your lynch is assured?

Funny that BEF slips on the word "If."

Shouldn't it have been "when I flip town(...)"

touche.

[BrightEyedFish]

Well 99% conf!town.

????

I am assuming it dropped to 99% because PP and profii's conftown hang on the fact that I will flip scum.
After I flip town, profii will be confscum and subsequently PP. Which will throw doubt on dave's conftown.

[BrightEyedFish]

I would have preferred you resolved Elsa with the fruit but on Bef's scumflip I think she's town anyways.

Who do you have as scum if I flip town?

Why are you saying if, when your lynch is assured?

Funny that BEF slips on the word "If."

Shouldn't it have been "when I flip town(...)"

touche.

Is this just you claiming outright man? Seems like it.

No, this is me admitting the silliness of my "if" push on drewva. I thought that's what you referencing

[BrightEyedFish]

Ok. I get I will be the lynch and probably nothing can stop that. I just want my thoughts out there.

Yesterday it came down me v. profii for the lynch.

Practically everyone thought I was the best lynch for mechanical reasons. Setting the whole not being lynched and DrewVa thing aside for a moment, does Creature's town flip still have me as a better "mechanical" lynch than profii?

[BrightEyedFish]

and once again.

I received no vengeful gift. I did not kill DrewVa. I can see scum using my FAKE vengeful claim as a reason to use there dayvig shot on DrewVa but it did not come from me.
Remember, I did not get the vengeful modifier. Nor have I received any modifiers this entire game.

N1, I gave the sticky fruit to Profii. That's it.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yes. Him being confirmed town and not receiving loud actually points more to profii town/you scum.

Wouldn't that mean profii did not send him the loud?

[BrightEyedFish]

Remember that a vengeful action didn't actually occur, and scum would know that without your flip it would not appear vengeful.

p-edit

No...*sigh* we went over this yesterday, so I'm not going to do it again.

Ok. Just humor me then please.

What would have to happen for you to not want to lynch me today?

[BrightEyedFish]

Remember that a vengeful action didn't actually occur, and scum would know that without your flip it would not appear vengeful.

p-edit

No...*sigh* we went over this yesterday, so I'm not going to do it again.

Ok. Just humor me then please.

What would have to happen for you to not want to lynch me today?

Boon confirms someone elsa as scum.

Well, I'm assuming that won't happen. So PP is here you are here. Let's end this day.

[BrightEyedFish]

Remember that a vengeful action didn't actually occur, and scum would know that without your flip it would not appear vengeful.

p-edit

No...*sigh* we went over this yesterday, so I'm not going to do it again.

Ok. Just humor me then please.

What would have to happen for you to not want to lynch me today?

An act of God.

I think I used that up for me not being lynched.
I will let Boon release my confessional after the game and you all can see where I asked Boon for a miracle to save me yesterday and it happened (i know it didn't come from Boon but still).

[BrightEyedFish]

Remember that a vengeful action didn't actually occur, and scum would know that without your flip it would not appear vengeful.

p-edit

No...*sigh* we went over this yesterday, so I'm not going to do it again.

Ok. Just humor me then please.

What would have to happen for you to not want to lynch me today?

I promise not to lynch you if you get modkilled.

I thought you were the one that said Town!Creature = scum!profii/town!me?

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh yeah.

Hey Penguin, did RC send you that neighborize?

I thought you won the BOONus round? If that's what you're talking about.

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh yeah.

Hey Penguin, did RC send you that neighborize?

I thought you won the BOONus round? If that's what you're talking about.

Should have known the damn scum would pipe up about that out loud.

I waited for PP to answer first.

[BrightEyedFish]

Was seeing if the Fish would jump in when i mentioned RC won after he said he wouldn't say who won. Guess who gave that shit up real fast.

Oh...well he's scum...sooooo....

Exactly. Don't believe anything I say.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't. It'd be nice if you would stop posting so the rest of us can discuss things.

Well you can shut me up by ending the day

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't. It'd be nice if you would stop posting so the rest of us can discuss things.

Well you can shut me up by ending the day

Or, if you want to have some semblance of towniness, you can just stop posting.

Why would I care about towniness if I were scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

You wouldn't.

Kinda...my point....

Then why as town should I be OK with lynching town?

[BrightEyedFish]

You would be ok with letting town discuss things without you interjecting to obfuscate given you are 100% the lynch today no matter what. Team game and all that.

Last response from me.

I know how I will flip and everyone else does too since I've said my role about 39 times.
If there was no doubt you would have already ended the day but something tells me you know Im not scum but being on my wagon at this point is NAI so you wait.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF can you remind me of your scum reads?

I think somewhere in here:

PP, profii, Jingle, EJ

[BrightEyedFish]

This thread died with DrewVa.

[BrightEyedFish]

As scum, I thought you'd be happy about that Fishy.

I had a SR on DrewVa and disregarding their flip, I am not upset they are dead I just didn't expect it to go down like this.

[BrightEyedFish]

This thread died with DrewVa.

I mean. Everyone spoke who wanted to speak. Right now it seems like we are just waiting for people to vote to end the day.

Do you have anything you wanna talk about while your neck is being measured?

All my info is out there. I will flip town and the VC on me will be NAI as I'm perfect ML bait.

N&M, after my town flip who will you SR?

[BrightEyedFish]

lol
I guess you all learned nothing from yesterday.

It's EJ's turn now.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why do you want his permission?

PP wanted to say something before the day was ended.

that's right.

[BrightEyedFish]

lol
I guess you all learned nothing from yesterday.

It's EJ's turn now.

... There's no damn way Boon gives you 2 of those shots. And no way you waste it on me of all people.

Maybe someone did gift me a +1...

[BrightEyedFish]

Well I know I fucking didn't do that. And that seems more of a faction ability anyway, and you wouldn't be able to charge a faction ability.

So you don't believe me vengeful claim?

[BrightEyedFish]

If your town and your using it on me despite 4 separate roles clearing me then that's just throwing at that point.

And I dont even get why I'm humoring You since no room ever had a venge as a prize.

But your whole case against me today is that I used a venge and KILLED DrewVa. The way you are acting now is that you DON'T think I had a venge and in that case I couldn't have killed DrewVa.

[BrightEyedFish]

how could he use a venge if he wasn't lynched?

Exactly, this has been discussed but half think I killed DrewVa anyways, even though the other half says it was the scum ability which killed DrewVa.

I don't think anyone really SRs me, it just too easy to vote me and too hard not to.

[BrightEyedFish]

TBF, Elsa is scum so...

It appears everyone is a dipshit today. Sad times.

Oh, I guess Fish got voted into the dayrep today because of the scum. Now that makes more sense, particularly if he already voted to end the day.

I didn't vote to ETD and I won't be using my day end ability. So it's up to you 3 to get on board with each other.

[BrightEyedFish]

TBF, Elsa is scum so...

It appears everyone is a dipshit today. Sad times.

Oh, I guess Fish got voted into the dayrep today because of the scum. Now that makes more sense, particularly if he already voted to end the day.

Wouldn't that be considered multi-tasking?

[BrightEyedFish]

Wouldn't Drew dying be considered Bastardly? I dunno what's going on with scum but your at the center of it.

I'm assuming Scum used their NK on Creature and thus couldn't use they day rep ability in the same night.

[BrightEyedFish]

Cos as I see it that's some personal beef you're starting there

What I meant was, I am disappointed that DrewVa flipped town because my read was way off on them again. But its no secret we were at odds this entire game and it may lead to both of our deaths and for that I do feel bad.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah refusing to day end vote is a fucking scumclaim and also a confession that he's out of miracles

The other day reps don't need me to end the day. Would you self hammer as town?

[BrightEyedFish]

I can also vote, but the Penguin said to have his permission. But he just voted... So.

I changed my mind...I don't have anything to say.

You can end the day.

Haha.

[BrightEyedFish]

If I die tonight, I want Jingle, Xtoxm, and Nev to claim whether or not they received fruit.

I forgot. I did want to say that. One of them should.

Why can’t they claim the fruit before day end?

[BrightEyedFish]

You're a smart one.....................

Scum knows who isn't scum.
Your normal fruit doesn't have any extra abilities.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah refusing to day end vote is a fucking scumclaim and also a confession that he's out of miracles

The other day reps don't need me to end the day. Would you self hammer as town?

Yes if I thought it would help.

Nero and EJ can end the day.

[BrightEyedFish]

You're a smart one.....................

Scum knows who isn't scum.
Your normal fruit doesn't have any extra abilities.

Apart from being loyal

So if PP sent a loyal to someone who doesn't claim it. That basically confscuma that person. Yet you would rather lynch town!me before a possible confscum?

How does that make sense for town?

[BrightEyedFish]

Sorry, I meant if loyal PP sent a fruit to someone...

[BrightEyedFish]

You scum claimed when you said vengeful on DrewVa and are were hoping today would go better for you...

So you believe my vengeful claim?

[BrightEyedFish]

No I believe you said vengeful to DrewVa then just did that orange thing that happened and maybe hoped to wifom out of it today somehow

I assume, you facing certain death had to use it or lose it so you figured you’d take our DrewVa en route to the dead thread

It's a scum factional ability from what I understand about it. So a dying scum wouldn't stop the ability.

[BrightEyedFish]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

[BrightEyedFish]

quack

might just have to steal a quirk of his then
surely nothing will go wrong with that

Wrong ability.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hey Boon, I heard some rumours that those conspirators might have some kind of vigilante justice plan which could preemptively end a day phase.

After those bodies showed up, I called in that favour from your contact at the feds. He's gonna do some digging without kicking up too much fuss.

Let's not tell the rest of the contestants for now - maybe they haven't realised anything's wrong yet. I'd hate to scare them.

DrewVa has been killed! They were a...

Spoiler:

Nancy Drew 39 and DVa

Welcome, DrewVa, you are a Town Grifter.

Abilities:
• During the day, you may choose up to three names per day to be selected into the BOONus round by announcing it in thread. You do not have to use all three everyday.To activate this roll, type in the game thread, Activate: [insert player name here]. I will not confirm or comment on this. Once a player is activated, you cannot change that pick. It will be locked in, and that player will go to the BOONus round. You may choose yourself.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying in your Confessionals Thread.

There were no mistakes here.

Night ends in (expired on 2019-02-17 12:00:00) on February 17th, 2019.

[BrightEyedFish]

I might have missed something but it looks like the day rep is a factional ability but the orange thing isn't clarified either way

so I think either of us could be right (but more likely me )

I think the orange thing is a factional Day ability and not linked to one player and most likely 1shot imo. But you're right it doesn't say factional ability like it does by the day rep thing.

[BrightEyedFish]

The day rest in EJs hands now

[BrightEyedFish]

I might have missed something but it looks like the day rep is a factional ability but the orange thing isn't clarified either way

so I think either of us could be right (but more likely me )

I think the orange thing is a factional Day ability and not linked to one player and most likely 1shot imo. But you're right it doesn't say factional ability like it does by the day rep thing.

This says to me you've jumped to that conclusion, or, as I suspect, it was your ability and you just used it...

I "jumped" to that conclusion based on the posts from boon/worst

[BrightEyedFish]

But I've been dead wrong about my day rep theory, ram, tlk, DrewVa so remember that when you read my speculations.

[BrightEyedFish]

I even had Creature in my scum pile.

[BrightEyedFish]

So thinking about thst, after I flip town the rest of you should probably do the opposite of my reads.

[BrightEyedFish]

Or maybe do the opposite of my opposite? Or just ignore everything. Or don't. I don't know anymore.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: End the Day

Don't wanna give EJ the satisfaction.

[BrightEyedFish]

My vengeful thing on DrewVa was really a lie. I had nothing to do with it.
Everything else I said was true.

[BrightEyedFish]

Classy.

[BrightEyedFish]

well. see you all tomorrow.

Maybe the 3rd time's the charm.
I'll take a +1 if anyone cares to give.

[BrightEyedFish]

/in

[BrightEyedFish]

Great game Boon and Worst! Thanks for all the planning and modding of this crazy game. I feel honored to have been a part of it!