Does your ability decrease as we get less BOONus rooms?
In post 8721, DrewVa wrote:It does not, and we can and have activated ourselves. Boon has confirmed to us that it is not a visiting role and that loyal/disloyal does not affect it.
-d
In post 8725, DrewVa wrote:In post 8724, BrightEyedFish wrote:Just like he told you there were multiple BOONus rooms?
We were in a Boonus room and had activated people to be in boonus rooms that were not in our boonus room, vis-a-vis there were multiple Boonus Rooms. Additionally:
In post 2, Boonskiies wrote:
You yourself should have known that there were multiple Boonus rooms, given the start of game ruleset and basic math, since you were in a boonus room with us n1, and it did not have 9 players in it.
-d
In post 8730, Xtoxm wrote:bef why didnt you come forward with this earlier
did you realise you were in conflict with profii
In post 8761, DrewVa wrote:In post 8735, Xtoxm wrote:its entirely possible that im giving bef more credit than he deserves
if drewva wants bef first i'll sheep it
we have a 1v1 i want to resolve it
so i picked the one that made more sense to me
i havent actually read far back enough to see his claim since you guys spammed the thread again, i just saw enough to gather the situation
It’s suspicious af that he never claimed giving sf to Profil and pushed TLK mislynch, when he he pused town!Ram mislynch N2. He was also dead set on Elsa being lynched over scum!Smart.
Am I missing anything, @BEF?
In post 8923, DrewVa wrote:1: You do believe there is a mechanical 1v1? There is no way, in your understanding, that this is somehow T/T?
2: I know you've talked about this some, that you thought you would die and you wanted to use your action, but if your intention was to take the loyal modifier in the boonus round, and you only had one charge, why would you vend your first charge on n1 when you could have potentially gotten a second charge and a second loyal visiting action off?
3: This might be an odd question, but why is Creature not in your final FoSes there? Wasn't he the other main option in your dayrep theory that you've been pushing? Do you townread his slot?
-d
In post 8926, DrewVa wrote:Well, you don't sound terribly scum in tone, but I also don't know what else to do here. I don't like favoring mechanics over reads. I have no idea how many scum are in your final pool there but Penguin is never scum here and frankly while we've been at odds I don't really know why you think our slot is scum. So I'm not exactly blown away by your final reads, although who knows. I don't even really want to lynch you, I haven't particularly wanted to lynch you since you came at us day 2, and if there is some sort of fuckup here along the line somewhere, given the number of strange coincidences involved in this crossclaim, I don't want there to be two back to back mislynches for sure, and I'm not thrilled with profii not really getting in here either. Even despite the mechanics here Nancy would prefer to lynch N&M but it doesn't sound like you would even want that from your final reads. But frankly I am just really fucking sick of dealing with this sticky fruit nonsense. I don't know if I've somehow overprioritized this cross-claim just because it involved TLK's death and everything there or what. Maybe TLK baited the crossclaim because he just wanted his SuperSaint ability to go off. In which case, holy shit, what a gamethrow. But I don't see how we play around potential gamethrows or mod errors and I don't know how we ignore mechanical cross-claims in a setup that specifically states setup potential.
Still want to hear from profii a bit more before day end. If anyone thinks that *somehow* this is actually T/T and we should just lynch N&M and do some mechanical checks on BEF and profii let me know.
-d
In post 8928, RCEnigma wrote:I want to get a shotgunned readslist from Bef and Profii before I vote. If it's in the last couple pages please repost it because I'm not sifting through you guys toxic implosions. Sorry not sorry to all involved.
In post 8901, Nev and Max wrote:We will vote for BEF with the understanding that if he flips town we, without question, lynch profii the next day.
In post 8931, Creature wrote:I could swear I got the loud modifier
In post 8952, Jingle wrote:Mechanical 1v1 between BEF and profii. One of them is confirmed to be lying.
BEF is the stronger role for scum, so lynch there first.
N&M, if reelclaiming, is potentially useful for town tonight.
In post 8967, PenguinPower wrote:I didn't replace in.
In post 8970, DrewVa wrote:@Boon, this is critically important, did Creature receive a LOUD from Profil n2, or didn’t he?
The ENTIRE game is resting on your answer Thanks.
In post 8973, Elsa Jay wrote:Also asking a Mod to admit to fucking up is... More black then grey.
In post 8975, DrewVa wrote:In post 8971, Elsa Jay wrote:I don't think Boon can out that Creature gave something to someone publicly, Nancy.
No, Profil has claimed to give Creature a LOUD. Creature remembers receiving it but now can’t find it.
This is troubling because whether or not Creature received the LOUD or not, could determine which of BEF/Profil are likely to be telling the truth.
If Creature never got the LOUD, then it be because scum!Smart jailkept Profil and that BEF gave TLK the stickyfruit but if Creature did in fact receive Profil’s LOUD, then it meant that Profil couldn’t have been jailkept and possibly lied about giving stickyfruit to to TLK instead of Penguin.
So, this unresolved issue both affects this lynch and the entire game.
In post 8982, DrewVa wrote:In post 8981, BrightEyedFish wrote:How will my mislynch solve anything?
How do we know Profil isn’t?
I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.
But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.
In post 8984, DrewVa wrote:In post 8982, DrewVa wrote:In post 8981, BrightEyedFish wrote:How will my mislynch solve anything?
How do we know Profil isn’t?
I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.
But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.
Which he used on us with his neghbourize.
So, you’re far more likely to be lying here, than Profil.
In post 8987, DrewVa wrote:In post 8983, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 8982, DrewVa wrote:In post 8981, BrightEyedFish wrote:How will my mislynch solve anything?
How do we know Profil isn’t?
I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.
But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.
Can profii only send loyals to the same alignment as himself?
I think so, isn’t that what that modifier means: same alignment as your own?
So, for Profil to be lying about that, it also would have to mean that both Penguin and us are also lying about that and we know our alignment, so, I don’t see how Profil could be lying.
Tin foil: maybe TLK did WIFOM us, like Xtoxm is saying? I dunno.
In post 7168, DrewVa wrote:
Yes. We actually have a full mechanical solve of the game so long as elsa jay is alive tomorrow. That's right, if scum do not shoot elsa they are 100% doomed.
-d
In post 9001, Jingle wrote:In post 8995, DrewVa wrote:Emphasis, I didn’t address it to Boon but his answer will hopefully clear up which of BEF/Profil is more likely to be telling the truth about stickygate.
Narp.
Scenario A.
Profii Scum, Creat Scum, No Loud- Profii didn't action.
Profii Scum, Creat Town, No Loud- Profii didn't action.
Profii Town, Creat Scum, No Loud- Profii blockededed.
Profii Town, Creat Town, No Loud- Profii blockededed.
Scenario 1
Profii Scum, Creat Scum, Loud- lmao.
Profii Scum, Creat Town, Loud- Profii actionated.
Profii Town, Creat Scum, Loud- Profii actionated.
Profii Town, Creat Town, Loud- Profii actionated.
This whole series of questions solves nothing about profii except possibly proving that he has the role we all assume he has.
In post 9005, Jingle wrote:In post 9003, BrightEyedFish wrote:This is a good post. But how does my flip fit in these equation?
You're uh... still in a mechanical 1v1 with profii?
Creature claiming loud implies scum in {Creature/profii/PP} or the existence of a scum rolestopper. You could argue that getting creature to commit to whether he's loud or not helps point the lynch at profii if he is, but the amount of effort to get this is. And I'm kinda leaning lynch creature from the not being able to tell if he's loud or not.
In post 9008, Jingle wrote:Nope. We're definitely lynching in you/profii today. None of the other associations are strong enough to chain lynches.
Nice try tho.
In post 9011, PenguinPower wrote:In post 8963, BrightEyedFish wrote:I don't think people will change their minds so it seems I'm a goner.
I wish I had more dying words that could help out. I'll just say it again so you know.
I am a Town 1-shot Sticky Fruit Vendor.
I used that 1 shot on profii N1.
I never received any gifts or anything.
I think there is scum in here:
PP, profii, DrewVa, Jingle, EJ, Creature
For someone who was resigned to being lynched you are throwing everything you have to try and get anyone else lynched.
In post 9016, Jingle wrote:Your alignment is opposite profii's (barring ridiculous scum theater, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case at this point). If we mislynch today we lynch scum tomorrow.
In post 9019, Creature wrote:In post 8993, DrewVa wrote:If Creature did get LOUD n2, it means that Profil couldn’t have been jailkept and if Creature never got the LOUD, it means he probably was, this is why figuring this out is so important.
From the current modifiers I have, none of them are loud. So go off from that. If it's wrong we blame mod/forum screwup postgame.
In post 9020, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 9019, Creature wrote:In post 8993, DrewVa wrote:If Creature did get LOUD n2, it means that Profil couldn’t have been jailkept and if Creature never got the LOUD, it means he probably was, this is why figuring this out is so important.
From the current modifiers I have, none of them are loud. So go off from that. If it's wrong we blame mod/forum screwup postgame.
I have a theory
In post 9117, DrewVa wrote:In Ok 2, BEF was never this survivalistic. Contrast BEF’s reaction to his wagon with town!Ram and town!TLK. He is suggesting lynches on pretty much anyone but him and the fact the he suggested us as a viable lynch, PRE flip, for completely NIA reasons, is extremely unlikely to ever come from town. Therefore, I’m okay with ending the day, if people want us too.
Even contrast BEF with Elsa who only pushed SS and N & M, as opposed to half the playerlist. I’m not townclearing Elsa for that but his reaction to potentially being wagoned D4, sounds a gazillion times townier than BEF’s here.
In post 9123, DrewVa wrote:
Yeah, it seems everyone would go before you, that’s why I’m thinking you could be scum here. You didn’t do this when you were being wagoned in OK 2.
In post 9126, Nev and Max wrote:Hey BEF, can you at least tell me im not seeing things when I feel like Drew is just gaslighting the shit out of me here? Like all the one liners that can only go to attack my credibility?
In post 9132, DrewVa wrote:In post 9129, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 9126, Nev and Max wrote:Hey BEF, can you at least tell me im not seeing things when I feel like Drew is just gaslighting the shit out of me here? Like all the one liners that can only go to attack my credibility?
They've been playing this way to me as well. I could say
"It's cold in here" they would reply with something like,
"it could be cold but it's probably hot"
and then something changes I would say,
"oh now I'm hot"
and drewva would reply
"Actually you're cold, we know how/what you are, but we feel it's hot"
Find examples or stop with the ludicrous WIFOM, kthanx.
In post 9151, DrewVa wrote:So if you have the gift, and you therefore know Profii's role is real, why would you not mention this earlier, j/w?
-d
In post 9155, Nev and Max wrote:In post 9145, BrightEyedFish wrote:I suspect perhaps the gifter is scum saw my frustration with drewVa and that I was going to be lynched and figured I was use it on DrewVa, they were right and I don't care.
Profii didnt know where it was going. He seemed to indicate it was random
In post 9156, DrewVa wrote:In post 9153, BrightEyedFish wrote:Because I was hoping for this outcome.
j/w but do you feel like I was unfair to you in any way this game? I spent quite a bit of time evaluating the merits of the case, I asked you for other cases, and got a wide range of town input. Why do you seem so personally tilted toward our slot?
-d
In post 161, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 157, DrewVa wrote:In post 156, BrightEyedFish wrote:
What do you mean with "if"?
???
What part of that do you not understand?
Why did you use the word "If" as if you are just guessing what a Town Role PM says.
In post 9183, Elsa Jay wrote:Pedit: There's no Turbolynch because of the End Day feature.
In post 9187, PenguinPower wrote:We're not ending the day until my fruited person claims it. But, yeah, then we're lynch BEF.
In post 9197, RCEnigma wrote:I would have preferred you resolved Elsa with the fruit but on Bef's scumflip I think she's town anyways.
In post 9202, UnaBombaH wrote:Riddle me this - why would scum pull this stunt off when you were going to be a mislynch anyway? (assuming you are town - from their PoV)
Scum could've waited for your lynch, get another nightkill off, and still Vig someone else later if a wagon on themselves ever formed.
Why use it now just to get a "mislynch" on you through?
In post 9208, UnaBombaH wrote:Dunno. I'm a bit tired today.
But BlurredEnigmaFish has to die today.
If for nothing else, then at least for the Venge-claim.
In post 9212, Elsa Jay wrote:Yeah, but I'm an exception to the rule.
Besides, you claimed a gifted Venge shot and SUDDENLY Mafia use a Dayvig ability. You thought you were dying anyway so you wanted to cover your scum ability about it to drive distrust on the Boonus winners. You didn't take into account that the Mod would out it OR that'd you would live to tell the tale.
#Fishy
In post 9217, Elsa Jay wrote:You even basically admitted in the Bonus room you were scum and went "heh, guess I'll die then". My biggest lie was a timestamp, which a SCUM player tried to get me to hammer. You killed the Ultimate support role we had for town to decide who got in the Bonus room.
In post 9222, davesaz wrote:In what world does town!Profii having 3 successful ability uses result in scum getting to vig someone?
In post 9227, RCEnigma wrote:Bef you flailed EoD, flailed in the boonus round and are flailing now. If you die and flip town it makes Profii scum. I doubt that's how this plays out though.
In post 9231, RCEnigma wrote:Profii is the reason PP is conftown.
In post 9238, profii wrote:I'm trying to weigh up the BEF thing.
BEF was all but lynched, so this could mean that day vig ability was tied to BEF, meaning he had to get the shot away before died, waited for the last second hoping the flip would maybe disguise what happened? and then maybe flail the lynch onto me (Apparently?) today - even without the lynch, it means scum got DrewVa via day vig, Creature via night kill, we lynch BEF today and then scum get another night kill - that is a 3 for 1 and it seems similar to what happened with S_S not sticking on TLK - scum said they would take the hammer but didn't and then they got McQueen, a NK, S_S went then another NK etc - this means someone scummy is considered very town imo.
In post 9252, Nev and Max wrote:
Funny that BEF slips on the word "If."
Shouldn't it have been "when I flip town(...)"
In post 9282, PenguinPower wrote:Yes. Him being confirmed town and not receiving loud actually points more to profii town/you scum.
In post 9285, PenguinPower wrote:Remember that a vengeful action didn't actually occur, and scum would know that without your flip it would not appear vengeful.
p-edit
No...*sigh* we went over this yesterday, so I'm not going to do it again.
In post 9287, Elsa Jay wrote:In post 9286, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 9285, PenguinPower wrote:Remember that a vengeful action didn't actually occur, and scum would know that without your flip it would not appear vengeful.
p-edit
No...*sigh* we went over this yesterday, so I'm not going to do it again.
Ok. Just humor me then please.
What would have to happen for you to not want to lynch me today?
Boon confirms someone elsa as scum.
In post 9293, Nev and Max wrote:In post 9286, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 9285, PenguinPower wrote:Remember that a vengeful action didn't actually occur, and scum would know that without your flip it would not appear vengeful.
p-edit
No...*sigh* we went over this yesterday, so I'm not going to do it again.
Ok. Just humor me then please.
What would have to happen for you to not want to lynch me today?
An act of God.
In post 9297, Jingle wrote:In post 9286, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 9285, PenguinPower wrote:Remember that a vengeful action didn't actually occur, and scum would know that without your flip it would not appear vengeful.
p-edit
No...*sigh* we went over this yesterday, so I'm not going to do it again.
Ok. Just humor me then please.
What would have to happen for you to not want to lynch me today?
I promise not to lynch you if you get modkilled.
In post 9320, PenguinPower wrote:I don't. It'd be nice if you would stop posting so the rest of us can discuss things.
In post 9324, PenguinPower wrote:
Or, if you want to have some semblance of towniness, you can just stop posting.
In post 9328, PenguinPower wrote:You would be ok with letting town discuss things without you interjecting to obfuscate given you are 100% the lynch today no matter what. Team game and all that.
Last response from me.
In post 9360, Nero Cain wrote:BEF can you remind me of your scum reads?
In post 9374, Elsa Jay wrote:As scum, I thought you'd be happy about that Fishy.
In post 9391, Elsa Jay wrote:Well I know I fucking didn't do that. And that seems more of a faction ability anyway, and you wouldn't be able to charge a faction ability.
In post 9393, Elsa Jay wrote:If your town and your using it on me despite 4 separate roles clearing me then that's just throwing at that point.
And I dont even get why I'm humoring You since no room ever had a venge as a prize.
In post 9395, Nero Cain wrote:how could he use a venge if he wasn't lynched?
In post 9405, Elsa Jay wrote:Wouldn't Drew dying be considered Bastardly? I dunno what's going on with scum but your at the center of it.
In post 9408, Gamma Emerald wrote:Cos as I see it that's some personal beef you're starting there
In post 9409, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah refusing to day end vote is a fucking scumclaim and also a confession that he's out of miracles
In post 9417, PenguinPower wrote:If I die tonight, I want Jingle, Xtoxm, and Nev to claim whether or not they received fruit.
I forgot. I did want to say that. One of them should.
In post 9419, PenguinPower wrote:You're a smart one.....................
In post 9430, profii wrote:You scum claimed when you said vengeful on DrewVa and are were hoping today would go better for you...
In post 9432, profii wrote:No I believe you said vengeful to DrewVa then just did that orange thing that happened and maybe hoped to wifom out of it today somehow
I assume, you facing certain death had to use it or lose it so you figured you’d take our DrewVa en route to the dead thread
In post 2404, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 27, Theta Alpine wrote:quack
might just have to steal a quirk of his then
surely nothing will go wrong with that
In post 9438, profii wrote:I might have missed something but it looks like the day rep is a factional ability but the orange thing isn't clarified either way
so I think either of us could be right (but more likely me)
In post 9442, profii wrote:In post 9440, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 9438, profii wrote:I might have missed something but it looks like the day rep is a factional ability but the orange thing isn't clarified either way
so I think either of us could be right (but more likely me)
I think the orange thing is a factional Day ability and not linked to one player and most likely 1shot imo. But you're right it doesn't say factional ability like it does by the day rep thing.
This says to me you've jumped to that conclusion, or, as I suspect, it was your ability and you just used it...