BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[DrewVa]

/First (officially)


This game seems like fun and with tw as quackup mod, it should be a hoot.

[DrewVa]

OK, we're part of a 4-man mason block with Cheeky Dancer, Gamma Emerald, and Karmeleon. We're all bulletproof savants who have night 0 guilties on Elsa Jay and Emperors New Groove. No need to evaluate the likelihood of this claim, just sheep for easy win

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

-D

[DrewVa]

Oh I misread post 25
That could still be fucky if that’s not a town majority though

So, do you think we should declare whom we're voting or do you think we shouldn't??

Also, someone who will remain unmentioned didn't read the special mechanics section. (Hint: It's DVa, but don't tell her I said that).

()_+_) Game Specific Mechanics ()_+_)

This game has a few special mechanics that will help spice the game up.

Confessional Threads

• We're on a competitive game show, aren't we? Every single player, or one per hydra, will have a unique individual Confessionals Thread. Any votes or night actions used in this game are to be activated from within this thread. Good thing I have a Duck of a Production Assistant that works for no pay to keep up with this, amirite? This means that there will be no voting in the main game thread, to further push the Reality Show with Confessionals feel. You may still use the vote tags.

Day Representatives

• Because of the Confessionals Thread mechanic, there will be 4 players per day chosen to be the Day Representatives. At the beginning of each Round (Day), these players will be posted upon the opening Day post. These players can VOTE: End Day. If 3 out of the 4 vote to end the day, then the day will end. Players will have until Twilight ends to cast their votes in their Confessionals Thread. Plurality Lynch Rule will come into play, and there will be a final vote count placed in the thread to end the day. I won't be explaining how the Day Representatives are chosen, but throughout the game, it will become obvious. There will still be the natural deadline for the game, and Plurality Lynch Rule will still come into play.

BOONus Rounds

• Along with the night phase, there will be the BOONus Rounds. When there are more than 18 players alive, 9 players will be chosen for this, more than 12, 6 players, and more than 6 players alive, 3 players. These BOONus Rounds will give potential Prizes to players, which you can then choose to keep for yourself, or anonymously give to other players. To make it fair, PRIORITY will be given to players who have not been involved in these rounds as the game goes on.

Commentary

• During the game, there will be Commentating created by Boonskiies and The Worst. This will be extremely obvious when it happens, and is there to add an "In Game Random Event" feel. This is predetermined. This is chosen in a way to not compromise anyone, giving simple setup design hints, generally.

• As always, every BooneyToonz game will follow the BooneyToonz Guidelines, which there is a link to the Discussion page down below in the Guidelines.[/area]

@DVa, we have to vote in our confessionals ONLY, not here.

There is no RVS in this game.

UNVOTE:

Yet the decision to unvote was still made.

[DrewVa]

idk if you guys know this but if there's literally no consequence to votes then there is no reason to not use them

it's just a way to indicate thought processes in this case

the one big appeal being that there's no risk of an actual quickhammer from anyone other than the four dayenders

that same post explicitly says we can still use the same vote tags

but that does raise one question actually

@mod will the wagons of the plurality votes be revealed when resolved?

-D

[DrewVa]

Alright then there's really no reason to not just do RVS as usual then. I know the mods are like, let's make it feel really different, but I don't think I've ever seen a game that *could simulate RVS* that was better off by talking about other garbage rather than just playing like it's more or less a normal game.

Our votes still matter since at the end of the day the votes are revealed. So if there's a sudden shift at the end we will know anyway

VOTE: Emperor's New Groove

I don't see why we'd do hurt tags over this when we can just do this -D

[DrewVa]

I'm sure you will Elsa. I'm sure you will -D

[DrewVa]

I'm not sure "question" is the word I'd use -D

[DrewVa]

RCE: Ignore tw & EJ. You do indeed have that power already. Just post your role PM in here and VOILA. You're mod-killed.

Nancy Drew 39
Vanilla Town

Aligned with Town

Nancy Drew in the detective book series didn't need any special powers to solve crimes - all she needed was the powers of her mind, thinking on her feet, and talking her way out of sticky situations. We believe you've got that toolkit without a role.

You will win when you have eliminated all threats to the Town.

[DrewVa]

Hmm, I have reason to believe drewva pulled scum.

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

Based on?

[DrewVa]

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

That wasn’t what I was asking about.

[DrewVa]

RCE is so easy to troll.

That wasn’t even my role PM. I can post a comparible one with Creature’s name in it too.

[DrewVa]

RCE is so easy to troll.

That wasn’t even my role PM. I can post a comparible one with Creature’s name in it too.

Creature
Town Motivator

Aligned with Town

You barely post as mafia, so when you rand town, you have lots of WIM. With your town energy, you are able to motivate someone every night to have two uses of a single night action on the following night. If your target has multiple night actions, you will randomly motivate one of them. The player receiving your motivation will be informed that they have been motivated at the end of the night phase that you target them.

You will win when you have eliminated all threats to town.

[DrewVa]

I'm aware it's not your role pm, however it wouldn't make sense to only add half of the town win condition. Ergo I'm under the impression you weren't aware of that portion of the town win condition.

[DrewVa]

I accused Elsa of nothing. I accused Drewva of being scum.

I'm not an alt or Hydra of RC.....yet.

Because I posted a role PM from a game, that I wasn’t even in?

I think you’re either scum here or lack a sense of humour. Which would be shocking coming from an Austin Powers’ fan.

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Sorry about that.

[DrewVa]

I accused Elsa of nothing. I accused Drewva of being scum.

I'm not an alt or Hydra of RC.....yet.

Because I posted a role PM from a game, that I wasn’t even in?

I think you’re either scum here or lack a sense of humour. Which would be shocking coming from an Austin Powers’ fan.

Not the point. There is a reason this is a dumb push but until Nancy concludes why, my stance will stay the same.

Okay, so I’m scum now, until I figure out a riddle?

[DrewVa]

@Mod, is troll, an actual roll in this game?

Spoiler:

Not a serious question, or is it?

[DrewVa]

Not a riddle but you still haven't addressed the wincon for town.

Am I allowed to do this? You wouldn’t be trying to trick me into getting modkilled, would you?

[DrewVa]

Not a riddle but you still haven't addressed the wincon for town.

Am I allowed to do this? You wouldn’t be trying to trick me into getting modkilled, would you?

@mod, is this allowed?

[DrewVa]

Let me skim the rules, don't know if you can say your wincon(?)

I don’t know if I’m allowed to say that part of my role PM or not.

Yes, I just checked it and there’s a 2nd part.

[DrewVa]

In shouldn’t say it anyway, according to you, right? If scum don’t actually know what it is, then we can catch them that way.

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

What kind of bullshit reaction test were you going for RCE?

You don’t think if I were scum and made fake role PMs, I couldn’t have faked that? Seriously?

Next time, find something that is actually not listed in the setup.

[DrewVa]

:facepalm: you didn't realize till FL pointed it out.

To be fair I forgot about the sample rolecard

You could have asked pretty much anyone in the setup the same question you asked me and some players would have paid close attention to the setup and their role PM and the setup. where as others would have missed it, and you would have wrongly scumread those who didn’t pay close attention to either and townread those who did.

I read it and forgot about it, like I didn’t really pay close attention to my role PM, until I just looked at it.

So, now I get the whole not town but not scum thing.

[DrewVa]

I would assume scum also has that part in their wincon which made it pointless once I realized that.

But it could have made someone sweat if town had like a wincon addition that scum wouldn't have knowledge if. Or they at least thought so.

Has that actually ever happened in a game? I was in a game, where I had a weird PR role, of being a glorified townie with no NAs but immune from certain scum actions, like being roleblocked.

And another player who was a backup, claimed to be a “functional VT”, I townread her thinking our role PMs were similar but the actual Wincon part, was the same for both of us.

[DrewVa]

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

Now that I've read through the rules, SK is in the pool of roles so. ????

And if there’s an SK in the setup, they are just as likely to have read the sample role PM as not.

So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Sorry.

[DrewVa]

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

Now that I've read through the rules, SK is in the pool of roles so. ????

And if there’s an SK in the setup, they are just as likely to have read the sample role PM as not.

So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Sorry.

What do you mean with "if"?

???

What part of that do you not understand?

[DrewVa]

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

Now that I've read through the rules, SK is in the pool of roles so. ????

And if there’s an SK in the setup, they are just as likely to have read the sample role PM as not.

So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.

Sorry.

What do you mean with "if"?

???

What part of that do you not understand?

Why did you use the word "If" as if you are just guessing what a Town Role PM says.

Is English not your first language?

[DrewVa]

SLIP-a-dee-doo-dah, SLIP-a-dee-ay
My, oh, my, what a wonderful day...

Can you seriously not read?

[DrewVa]

@BEF, please ignore me in this game, my surviving brainvells can’t take it.

[DrewVa]

braincells

[DrewVa]

braincells

You can't just brush this aside. I don't think you received a Town Role PM.

Good.

Now, learn to freaking read and don’t talk to me, kthanx.

[DrewVa]

*No Multitasking scum, so if a tracker sees someone visit 2 places, they ain't scum.

What WOULD they get that result from?
And I think that just means they’re not multitasking sans modifier

I assume it meant that if scum say had a roleblock, they couldn’t also perform a kill. In FG games, or in YGM, there was “multi-tasking scum”.

[DrewVa]

braincells

You can't just brush this aside. I don't think you received a Town Role PM.

Good.

Now, learn to freaking read and don’t talk to me, kthanx.

I'm not talking to you, I'm typing to you.

Is English your first language?

See how that works.

Don’t do that either.

[DrewVa]

if doesn't imply uncertainty by itself, and there's a sample town role PM in the opening posts.

further, the colloquial definition of "talk" includes written communication, because no one actually says "we're typing at each other in this mafia thread". ;>
~Chara

Ok you're right... on the 2nd point.

But I don't think someone who is town writes IF there. You don't have to see this IF as damning as I do, but don't forget it later on.

The devil is in people who can’t fucking read ENTIRE SENTENCES.

FIFY

[DrewVa]

Are we really debating the merits of using the word talk/type here >.<

I don’t know but reading BEF’s posts, make my neurons want to commit hari-kari.

[DrewVa]

Even if I were a mercenary, at least I'd be trusted to do my job. A Remote Controlled Enigma, on the other hand, is a very scummy monicker.

A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.

I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.

I'm just a Snow Queen from a time when books and documents are what we use. Having "remote-controlled" anything is unwarranted since it doesn't exist.

I believe I'll take the Knight/Mercenary.

I’m 100% Berserker.

Mafia// Stay Night confirmed?

I was thinking Fire Emblem but okey

Oh, dibs on Wyvern rider then.

I feel I’m at a disadvantage, having never played this game before. :/

[DrewVa]

and to use a pragmatic instead of semantic argument, why on earth would a mafia member be musing about possible scum wincons while not being sure of the town wincon?

Perhaps mafia!drewva could be employing a subtle WIFOM tactic.

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

so it's something town doesn't do, but also something scum does do to subtly look town?

that's two assumptions you've made, you'll need some evidence for both to satisfy occam's razor.

Or he could, just actually read exactly what I wrote.

[DrewVa]

Even if I were a mercenary, at least I'd be trusted to do my job. A Remote Controlled Enigma, on the other hand, is a very scummy monicker.

A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.

I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.

I'm just a Snow Queen from a time when books and documents are what we use. Having "remote-controlled" anything is unwarranted since it doesn't exist.

I believe I'll take the Knight/Mercenary.

I’m 100% Berserker.

Mafia// Stay Night confirmed?

I was thinking Fire Emblem but okey

Oh, dibs on Wyvern rider then.

I feel I’m at a disadvantage, having never played this game before. :/

Play sacred stone on a gba emulator. It's a banger.

Link?

Like I have no clue what that is. DVa probably gets it.

[DrewVa]

so it started...

A50, are you scum? Tell me, so i can ignore you for the rest of the game

@Mod does sk counts as multiball?


SK does not count as Multiball.

he's scum, but i'm town and he promised to help me this game. so you can listen to him.
it's certainly better than listening to me!
bye for now! i have things to do.

fishy is probably town for that last post, too. at least enough to say so early game.
~Chara

Let me skim the rules, don't know if you can say your wincon(?)

I don’t know if I’m allowed to say that part of my role PM or not.

Yes, I just checked it and there’s a 2nd part.

this is what a townslip looks like.

are you aware there's a sample role PM to quote?
~Chara

I am now.

[DrewVa]

you can also switch "if" with "given that".
and look at that, the two phrases are synonyms. how peculiar! it's almost as if... the if implies a conditional, one that's being used as evidence for a conclusion.

if you boil water, it evaporates! i say, pointing at my pot of boiling water.

but, you reply, why did you say "if"? as though you're unsure if the water has boiled!

...anyway, could we move on?

and to use a pragmatic instead of semantic argument, why on earth would a mafia member be musing about possible scum wincons while not being sure of the town wincon?

Brain cells rejenerating.

[DrewVa]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

i didn't have any clue what Sacred Stones was either, but i just googled it. it's a very useful site, that google.

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

[DrewVa]

i didn't have any clue what Sacred Stones was either, but i just googled it. it's a very useful site, that google.

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

Spoiler:

Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Tactical role-playing game for the Game Boy Advance
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones[a] is a tactical role-playing game developed by Intelligent Systems, and published by Nintendo for the Game Boy Advance handheld video game console in 2004 for Japan and 2005 in the West. It is the eighth entry in the Fire Emblem series,[b] the second to be released outside Japan, and the third and final title to be developed for the Game Boy Advance after The Binding Blade and its prequel Fire Emblem.

Quick Facts: Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones, Developer(s) …
Set in a separate continuity to any other Fire Emblem title, The Sacred Stones takes place on the continent of Magvel, which is divided into five ancient nations, each with a magical stone said to be linked to the imprisonment of an ancient demon. When the nation of Grado begins invading the other nations and destroying the stones, protagonists Eirika and Ephraim of the royal family of Renais set out to gain allies from the other nations and halt Grado's conquest. The gameplay is similar to previous Fire Emblem games, focusing on turn-based, tactical movement of units across a grid-based battlefield. Core features of the game include permanent death for characters defeated in battle and support conversations that grant advantages to certain units in battle.

The Sacred Stones began development alongside Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance as a side project, sharing much of its visual design and mechanics with Fire Emblem while incorporating elements from earlier entries such as Fire Emblem Gaiden. First announced in mid-2004, it was heavily promoted in Japan. When released, it sold over 230,000 units during 2004, with a further 90,000 being sold upon its North American debut. Reception was positive overall for its story and gameplay, although many critics cited it as being too similar to its predecessor. The Sacred Stones would be the last original handheld Fire Emblem title until Fire Emblem Awakening for the Nintendo 3DS in 2012.

How will this help me in this game?

[DrewVa]

OK, we're part of a 4-man mason block with Cheeky Dancer, Gamma Emerald, and Karmeleon. We're all bulletproof savants who have night 0 guilties on Elsa Jay and Emperors New Groove. No need to evaluate the likelihood of this claim, just sheep for easy win

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

-D

[DrewVa]

That I'm gonna hang and eat that fish. It's in the scavenger hunt I got to get a BOONus prize.

[DrewVa]

lol hebichan should we call you hebichan or tsumugi this game? -D

[DrewVa]

Performer, if you don't know why we would be masons, then I guess you really aren't masons with us

That's okay, our three-man mason block with Gamma and Karmeleon is holding strong. -D

[DrewVa]

Gamma, what do you think of me and Karmy dancing?

-D

[DrewVa]

townie
Karmeleon -- obviously, we're dancing
Gamma Emerald -- one of these times that I townread Gamma before page 20 we're both gonna be town, I swear
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) -- never sorted Hebi before but Koki can be town until further notice
Almost Chara (Almost50/Chara) -- can me and A50 both be town AND be sociable at the same time? Find out in this episode of boonskies game

townish maybe
RCEnigma -- feel like maybe he was trying to sort nancy but the mechanics test was pretty bad tbh, still townier than the nulls
Ramcius -- kinda like him poking elsa, but he hasn't developed that much, still townier than nulls so far
Nev and Max -- his "votes have consequences" post was bad but... bad in a townie way?

NAI so far
Mcqueen
Davesaz
Theta Alpine
Emperor flippyNips
Xtoxm

Scum side of null
The Last Knight -- feels nullish but considering he's been posting I guess I'll say scummy side of null
Nero Cain -- feel like Nero is low impact so far

"Always scum" (not actually always scum)
Elsa Jay
BrightEyedFish

Potential normalscum
Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer) -- refusing the masonblock has me very concerned actually LOL

Potential lurkerscum
Thanos (Lamees/Auro) -- Lamees + Auro having nothing in this thread is concerning
Profii -- lack of presence so far is surprising
Alonzo -- wouldn't he have shitposted more by now as town?
Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?
Emperors New Groove (PenguinPower/Aristophanes) -- know Penguin is busy irl but until I see town penguin I tend to default to scumreading him and that's not changing this game

Ok here's my dope before page 20 solve. Nancy, Gamma, Karmy, Koki, A50, where are the places where I'm hilariously wrong this time?

-D

[DrewVa]

@DVa I’m probably that guy that is totally a jerk about distrusting Karmeleon because he’s a suave charmer (translation: I have a gut suspicion he’s scum)

but remember, when I offered to dance with you the first time, I was town LOL

like the quick read and offer to dance the first time after witches ball could be townie right?

or is he me in coalition? -D

[DrewVa]

While I agree, it “technically” isn’t. If you look at the wiki, it specifically says only groupscum count regarding Multiball. But yeah, that’s why I chose to just confirm that. I think I’ll change the Checklist to something that better differentiates.

idk what this means but post 3 still lists SK as being potentially in this setup so I kinda wonder if maybe you should remove it from that post if you're basically saying it's not here

or maybe that's just my ocd talking -D

[DrewVa]

@Dva, right now you have more of a handle on this game than I do. I was just going post that Gamma was one of my strongest townreads. So rn, we’re pretty much mindmelding I guess. I think I have RCE higher and yeah, I haven’t seen town!Nero yet in this game.

I need to be a lot more into the game, to form any stronger reads than I’ve already mentioned.

~ N

[DrewVa]

If there's not a good reason to scumread me then I'm town.

I feel like thats not how that works. Scum would be sure to avoid looking like scum at this point and would be acting as stereotypically town as possible. If there isn't a reason to scum read you it just means you are null and have yet to do anything real.

I'm being slightly facetious here though very rarely is there a halfway decent case on me when I'm town.

dude, rude. (and actually kinda scummy)

Yeah Imma lynch you in private. Maybe.

how is that scummy at all?

AC and Nero should be more in tune with what’s going on here than everyone else.

Ok GE, humor me...why nero?....

~ P

???

I haven’t seen town!Nero yet in this game.

I'll be conftown when we flip RCE.

Why do you scumread RCE?

[DrewVa]

So ok, I fake daykilled him b/c I was annoyed at him and Else trolling and bloating this thread. That alone is antitown/scummy but then I felt like RCE's threat/promise to ignore me was scummy. Like I can't go into details b/c both our games are ongoing but I have an excellent track record of reading him and I could see scum RCE intentionally not wanting to be in an argument with me.

Well, I wanted to avoid the fish but that’s only because my brain cells are a horrible thing to waste.

Yeah, don’t know wtf Elsa is doing but since she’s ragging on Fish, it kind of cracks me up.

Anyway, I think that we are seeing town!Nero here.

I will keep a closer eye on RCE then. Thanks.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

[DrewVa]

DrewVa why aren't you voting or pushing us if we're your only "normalscum" read?

~ C

I’ll let DVa answer that.

~N

[DrewVa]

Please do and while Dva is at it:

Potential normalscum
Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer) -- refusing the masonblock has me very concerned actually LOL

1. How is this AI?
2. What do you make of the two heads of our hydra having different reactions to this?

1. I let her know.

2. What was your reaction? DVa was specifically concerned with Performer’s.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa why aren't you voting or pushing us if we're your only "normalscum" read?

~ C

It's mathematically certain there is town in the lurkerscum pool so for the moment I'm more interested in figuring out where I am wrong on the slots where I basically have to be wrong. -D

[DrewVa]

Mathematically certain = Probability. I get that but don't really see how you're sorting anyone. It's like labels for label sake. I'm more concerned with a scumread on my slot that has posted barely anything AI, over those with content. Are your reads activity based? Because that's pretty bs.

You're right, you haven't done a ton of AI stuff. But I don't need to push you because you are already providing content which, theoretically, will make you easier to read, or at least make it easier to evaluate other peoples' reads of your slot. When you are more obviously scum, I will get you lynched. Or my read will change. One or the other. But I don't think I have to push you rn for my read on you to develop.

Also, I think you will hydra slip less if you just hit preview before every time you post and double check the account you're on. -D

[DrewVa]

BTW Nacy, why were u town reading RCE?

I thought he was genuinely attempting to sort us with the whole role PM thing but I’m not familiar with his scum meta, so I suppose it could still possibly be scum being LAMIST. \_0_/

But since you believe this is his scumplay, I guess I’ll put him at a null for now.

[DrewVa]

Cheeky is ignoring my question like she normally does as scum. This game is EZ mode.

Next time don't bury your question in a scummy catch up wall.

~ C

I’m kind of getting the sense that you’re OMGUSSING both Nero and us. Instead of pointing out how we’re wrong, you throw unwarranted shade at us. How are we not sorting here - DVa especially?

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.

Yeah, scum could fake it sure. I’m kind of nullreading it rn. I would like to here more about how they viewed our reactions to all of the posts regarding it. However, as an early read, I don’t think it’s necessarily bad.

[DrewVa]

If I wanted to evaluate your ISO I would have. I'm asking fir a live interaction. You should be flattered I'm willing to dance with you. Cha cha?

I think that's a bit lazy since he mentioned his thoughts on RCE the *previous page*, I'm liking Nero in this exchange.
Given his agreement on BEF, too - I'll throw him into my townpool as well. :3

~Auro

In case this becomes relevant, CD and Thanos are probably not w/w in this game.

[DrewVa]

Yeah Nero is now lockscum. The last time someone used the buzzwords argument and refused to interact they weren't town. Glgl.

~ C

How is Nero “lockscum”? I used the word, “OMGUSSING”, are we lockscum now too?

And how is Nero not been “interacting”? Are we reading the same game?

[DrewVa]

If I wanted to evaluate your ISO I would have. I'm asking fir a live interaction. You should be flattered I'm willing to dance with you. Cha cha?

I think that's a bit lazy since he mentioned his thoughts on RCE the *previous page*, I'm liking Nero in this exchange.
Given his agreement on BEF, too - I'll throw him into my townpool as well. :3

~Auro

Careful you'll run out of people to townread at the rate you're going

~ C

It’s only Day freaking 1. What exactly is your issue with this approach?

[DrewVa]

Hmm salty Nero is usually scum Nero

No, what?

[DrewVa]

Nah he ups his salty game when he is scum

Just look at the posts from him on this page as a good example- I’ve seen his town and scum game - he doesn’t bother like getting quite as irate when he is town

Idk it’s hard to put into exact examples but I’m happy to vote there right now

I think it’s the converse, actually. Scum!Nero, usually doesn’t try to ruffle too many feathers. This is of course based on several games I’ve played with him as town and 1 as scum and I don’t recall him being even remotely salty in that scumgame.

[DrewVa]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Alonzo wanting to end the day early is a little suspect.

It’s definitely anti-town anyway.

[DrewVa]

Why did no one sheep me on my Almost Chara vote???!

Why are AC scum?

[DrewVa]

Almost Chara (1) Alonzo
Elsa Jay (1) Rambolicious
Nev and Max (8) Elsa, Almost Chara, Emperor Flippynips, Profii, Gamma, DrewVa, McQueen, RCnigma, Xtosm,

@DVa, why are we voting them?

[DrewVa]

I don't mind the day ending early as long as those who have the power to end the day all take the time to add to the discussion. But this game is still cresting dawn...

Agreed. Taking too long of a day phase is a bad thing.


@Drewva I rejected that mason block you formed because it brought back awful memories of Nauci's game, where FL fake claimed Mason with Creature. And surprise surprise, 1 of those 2 were actually scum. Scum ended up winning that game.

I like nero for town due to his elaboration on the multiball aspect. The way he elaborated on that seemed genuine. But Nero, why is RCE scum?

~ P

Hmm, interesting. I don’t recall this game or this FL fellow. I’ll have to take a look.

Interesting. You townread Nero and you’re partner is calling him, “lockscum”?

[DrewVa]

I'm thinking, should i scumread Nero for a reaction test?

Totally, hell never see it coming man.

[DrewVa]

Nev might be town, still not sure about Max

He's doing better then the other AFK crew that can end the day. Don't grill him for wanting the game to go forward.

oh, i won't, once we agree to your lynch

but as we are now, we have no consensus on lynch, we barely have discussion and your friend here is trying end day without making any effort to find scum, so I feel like I have every right to grill him for it

I kinda dislike saying this, but I agree with the bolded part. Page 30 seems like an arbitrary number pulled out of an ass somewhere. Guy doesnt know where we are as a gamestate yet, and he is saying hes going to stop it in 8 pages (if he gets support from his othe r3) so he can catch up? Seems like an easy way to have all 5 scum votes on one unsuspecting player while the rest of us have our votes scattered and ultimately wasted.

Especially if it’s not an approximation.

[DrewVa]

It's almost certainly a bad idea to end the day this early.

But it would be very interesting to see where everyone puts their vote when they don't think anybody's watching.

No it wouldn't

Half the town would be caught by surprise not voting and there would be a low threshold plurality lynch

Town should literally never vote to end day except in niche situations like guiltys

+1

[DrewVa]

Adding Daveas, Nev and Max and AlmostChara to my current townreads.

[DrewVa]

I thought he was genuinely attempting to sort us with the whole role PM thing but I’m not familiar with his scum meta, so I suppose it could still possibly be scum being LAMIST

Did he vote you for this?

But Nero, why is RCE scum?

So ok, I fake daykilled him b/c I was annoyed at him and Else trolling and bloating this thread. That alone is antitown/scummy but then I felt like RCE's threat/promise to ignore me was scummy. Like I can't go into details b/c both our games are ongoing but I have an excellent track record of reading him and I could see scum RCE intentionally not wanting to be in an argument with me.

Nev might be town, still not sure about Max

I laughed.

Interesting. You townread Nero and you’re partner is calling him, “lockscum”?

back in the days hydra dis was considered a scum tell. I miss the old days.

Nero is probably town, he annoys me way too much in every game I'm in with him to let that make him a scumread.

hey, fuck you.

Why would having all the scum hard claim day 1 be an issue exactly?

this feels pretty misreppy.

Lets get this game going and lynch a fool before Christmas, K?

y so eager for a lynch?

RCE voted us because he didn’t understand I was joking and didn’t read the sample role PM.

on the hydra dis thing.

That is definitely extreme for a hydra to be that divergent on a read. I know I am far more likely to see this kind of weirdness in scum teammates than from hydras.

[DrewVa]

That is definitely extreme for a hydra to be that divergent on a read. I know I am far more likely to see this kind of weirdness in scum teammates than from hydras.

I don't think so, Lam disagrees with me about Ultimate Liars.
I'm taking them out of my town pool, I'll let her explain why she thinks they might be scum.

~A

That isn’t unusual but what I referenced, is.

[DrewVa]

Hey Nancy, I have a question for you. In that game where you were scum (heros right) Did you initiate the townblock or did someone else started the town block?

Good question, it’s been so long ago. I think it was FA, iirc?

[DrewVa]

It's not math.

It’s worse, it’s algebra.

[DrewVa]

Then why do they allegedly have the most votes? I don't see the davesaz townread but I seem to always scumread them.

~ C

It’s fake. DVa told me she never voted them.

[DrewVa]

This seems like town auro imo. Town lean.

-lamees

You’re townleaning your hydra partner? Lolwat?

[DrewVa]

Then why do they allegedly have the most votes? I don't see the davesaz townread but I seem to always scumread them.

~ C

It’s fake. DVa told me she never voted them.

Why would your partner need to tell you something like that? Locked out lf your own confessional?

No, she said it to me on Discord I think. I’ll have to check but I did check our confessional and there is no vote on that slot anywhere, so that’s how I know that vote is fake.

[DrewVa]

Day 1 has begun!!

Day 1 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm

(expired on 2018-12-28 18:00:00) on December 28th, 2018.

This thread says the people "JUST" have to vote to end the day. I assume they don't know who we are all voting for

i.e. they can't say like, "between the 4 of us we can see profii is the leading wagon rn and he would be a good lynch so lets end the day"

some people are assuming that Alonzo VC was legit and I don't know if that's because they weren't on it so don't know any better or are they just playing along with random hypothetical scenarios

:S

Who is flippynips?


I am really annoyed with those that are pushing to end the day early. We’re not even sure on our vote. At least I’m not and we really need to make sure we don’t mislynch.

Whichever of these 4 who votes to end the day prematurely, is getting a huge FOS from me.

[DrewVa]

that VC was obvious joke, but even then i said it was wrong, so one would expect people not to take it serious. Thus it makes me wonder, do scum try mud waters with it or people just don't actually read this thread

I initially thought it was real and I couldn’t understand why DVa would ever vote Nev and Max.

[DrewVa]

I'm wondering why the Nero/Cheeky chacha was the only thing that really seemed to catch mcqueen's eye/thing he commented on in ~26 pages

~ C

Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?

I hate rolling scum but I don't post less

I've had an extremely busy last few days, this game started at a terrible time for me. I'm catching up now.

I will say though, as I'm catching up, I'm having a hard time finding things that feel worthwhile to talk about. Maybe it's the lack of public votes but from the few pages I've looked at just now, it feels like people are just talking each other in circles.

I saw a lot of people were jumping on RCE and a few others. Definitely worth an ISO, but I didn't see anything that gave me hard scum vibes from him or anyone else atm.

I wanted to clear you up as town despite your awful accusation of Nero. If I'm giving out townreads, that's catching scum by PoE.

Yep, Nero is definitely obvtown this game. I also think you and Xtoxm are town as well.

[DrewVa]

Why did no one sheep me on my Almost Chara vote???!

Everyone should be voting for Gamma...

Why did you scumread those 2?

I think Alonzo is scummy.

~ C

Does performer agree?

Alonzo I'm not sure what to make of you so far.

~ P

Wow, Alonzo wants to A) end the day early. B) Lynch 2 of my townreads.

@DVa, I think Alonzo could possibly be scum here.

[DrewVa]

@mcqueen we both disagree on the nero read at the moment. I still think nero is town ...

~ P

McQueen is also townreading Nero.

???

[DrewVa]

how is that scummy at all?

Exactly.

~ C

Cheeky is ignoring my question like she normally does as scum. This game is EZ mode.

Next time don't bury your question in a scummy catch up wall.

~ C

Mcqueen I answered his question before saying that in a smart ass way. Why? Well because getting emotional reactions is my way of reading people.

Second I didn't expect him to see it my way hence I said nice straw man - also at no point did I call RCE town, like you I considered him null but Nero's read on him looked opportunistic as I saw no scumminess in his reaction. That interaction between Nero/RCE read like RCE could have reacted to Nero's dayvig in any way and Nero would still scumread him for it.

Of course we have our own opinions, that's what the point of communicating is - to figure out what another is thinking and why - instead he turns it into a "I don't have to think the same as you" argument which is completely besides the point.

~ C

I'm sorry I missed that. It does put a little doubt in my Nero read, though... (unless I'm reading this wrong, too, he asks how it's scummy then calls RCE scummy later)

Overall still think he's town, but it's good to keep and possibly look back on

Anyone who’s ever played with scum!Nero before, would have no problem seeing, that this is his obvtown meta here.

In Heroes Wanted, Sakura Hana did an extensive metacheck on him, so it’s really obvious to me.

[DrewVa]

@Mod: I don't have any questions. Is this OK?

Depends if this is Chara or Almost.

Different players in the same hydra, get different treatment? Lolwat?

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

Think you can take me? Don’t forget me!

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Alonzo wanting to end the day early is a little suspect.

Why? Day has to end at some point and avoiding letting the game drag on is a good thing.

Almost Chara (1) Alonzo
Elsa Jay (1) Rambolicious
Nev and Max (8) Elsa, Almost Chara, Emperor Flippynips, Profii, Gamma, DrewVa, McQueen, RCnigma, Xtosm,

I’m not voting rn
I’ll note it with a tag when I do
Which should hopefully be soon

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Almost Chara is voting Alonzo now, thats all that changed

my vote still not on Elsa, so your vc isn't accurate

It's like having two Gamma Emeralds around here...

Excuse me
I feel like you've harbored this hatred against me for a while, what the fuck is your problem dude?

Almost Chara is voting Alonzo now, thats all that changed

No, I think it safer to just Vig you. Elsa

Fixed

~ P

No. Trust me. Alonzo is the better Vig until he learns to pay more attention and follow my lead when I'm conf!Town (as in FLIPPED Town)

I need to remember to do the same for the other head too

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Alonzo wanting to end the day early is a little suspect.

Why? Day has to end at some point and avoiding letting the game drag on is a good thing.

Well, 30 pages D1 in 23p game is a bit too short, don't you think so?

I guess
bear in mind he's 1/4 when 3/4 votes are needed to end the day

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Almost Chara is voting Alonzo now, thats all that changed

my vote still not on Elsa, so your vc isn't accurate

It's like having two Gamma Emeralds around here...

Excuse me
I feel like you've harbored this hatred against me for a while, what the fuck is your problem dude?

Thats quite a jump, but I'm listening, why do I hate you?

Idk you tell me. It's your attitude towards me we're talking about.

My thinking has nothing to do with how you read me dude
It's you saying things like "It's like having two Gamma Emeralds"
It sounds derogatory.

That's acceptable I guess. Though the "doesn't get sarcasm" thing has a specific reason (on top of it just being hard to detect sarcasm through text)
who's the second me though?

At least in those cases I'd know what he means though

Knowing the metric against which I read you you should realise I would be finding you all over the place tonally in this one...

I don’t get it. What is the scumslip?

[DrewVa]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

On whose fire? Its nice and frosty where I am.

Listen Elsa we know your in bed with the Fish, give it up already. =)

It isn’t a waterbed in that case.

[DrewVa]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

On whose fire? Its nice and frosty where I am.

Listen Elsa we know your in bed with the Fish, give it up already. =)

You know what you did. You also quoted something not even related for whatever reason.

Yeah, you’re right. Alonzo’s post referencing you, makes 0 sense in this context.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: End the Day

FOS

[DrewVa]

VOTE: End the Day

You know I was thinking of doing that

No, we’re not even sure wtf to vote for yet. We need MORE time!

[DrewVa]

Xtoxm is a no-go, so unless you and McQueen vote to end the day, everyone is gonna disappear for Christmas and scum have an easy excuse to change their votes before the 28th.

Thankfully Xtoxm and McQueen, have common sense and are most likely TOWN.

[DrewVa]

Jut a reminder to read thread, folks, - Boon said votes will come with timestamps

Also, we have a whole week till Christmas, why panic now?

Right, so no reason to end the day prematurely, while some of us -US for example - are far from sure of whom we’re voting for yet.

[DrewVa]

Ugh... Nancy's reads make me want to end more than just the day....

???

[DrewVa]

Vote Count 1

Emperors New Groove (1) -- DrewVa
Something_Smart (1) -- Something_Smart

Not Voting: Thanos, Ultimate Liars, Profii, McQueen, Davesaz, Almost Chara, The Last Knight, Cheeky Dancer, Thea Alpine, Elsa Jay, Gamma Emerald, Xtoxm, BrightEyedFish, Karmeleon, Ramcius, Nev and Max, Emperor FlippyNips, Alonzo, Emperors New Groove, RCEnigma, Nero Cain

With 23 alive, it is 12 to lynch.

Probably easier this way to only list the wagons that have votes on them.

If I missed any votes feel free to update.
-D

[DrewVa]

Why did no one sheep me on my Almost Chara vote???!

Everyone should be voting for Gamma...

Why did you scumread those 2?

I think Alonzo is scummy.

~ C

Does performer agree?

Alonzo I'm not sure what to make of you so far.

~ P

Wow, Alonzo wants to A) end the day early. B) Lynch 2 of my townreads.

@DVa, I think Alonzo could possibly be scum here.

I would say hold up on that read, but the juxtaposition of Lonzo voting to end the day while making no effort to read and act accordingly in thread kinda leads me down the lonzo scum path.

Are you seeing more than the end day and bad reads?

I see it as anti-town but DVa thinks it gets town motivated. \_0_/

I think AC is very likely town and I didn’t understand the “scumslip”, that Alonzo said Gamma did.

[DrewVa]

Gamma, Elsa, Drewva, Max n Ned and Ultimate Lurkers are fine Lynches for today.

Change my mind.

Max and Nev seem townie to me. We’re currently nullreading Elsa and tr UL and Gamma, so all bad choices, IMO.

[DrewVa]

Fish is 35 and chiseled like a Greek god, I'v still no idea where 99 came from =P

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Don't like drewva or Nev (max is pretty irrelevant tbh) as lynches today. Overall though I don't have good scumreads and it's not even that there are a ton of people being town.

[DrewVa]

Don't like drewva or Nev (max is pretty irrelevant tbh) as lynches today. Overall though I don't have good scumreads and it's not even that there are a ton of people being town.

Sorry, never mind, misread that,

[DrewVa]

Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?

I think they are a lil dissapointed that I have not carried town like I did in the last boonskiies.
No way Max n Nev 'are going down a scummy path with Lonzo without having it out with me first. Very unlikely Town Fish.
Gamma is scum I know it.
Elsa sprung into action attempting to push me after I became active, not sure I was even on their radar before hand.
Il give Drew time to save Nancy
Ultimate Lurkers is the only slot out here playing worse than me.

Re End of Day.

I dont see how telegraphing 1/3 of the votes required to End the day well in advance is scummy, and I simply dont have the data on my phone to play the sniff the fart mafia alot of these players like to play for 100 pages a day everyday. Simple.

You think Fish is scum? Why UL? DVa is tr them, I’m not sure why, I don’t have a read on them yet.

[DrewVa]

Got it!

Yeah no I meant the sexy fish.

The one “chiseled like a Greek God”?

[DrewVa]

Fish is 35 and chiseled like a Greek god, I'v still no idea where 99 came from =P

The Queen is talking about BEF, not some other fish you may know that is 35 and pretty ripped.

Okay, I’m legit confused now. Which fishie is Michelangelo’s David?

[DrewVa]

why did i not get on yesterday
on page 20 and catching up
i will agree that fish and rce seem like scum

I found his typing at vs. talking at distinction, weird af.

[DrewVa]

It is when I'm a townie, which means by default you are either scum going for a mislynch on someone who seems easy to kill or a townie who doesn't have their priorities straight.

Elsa is a bad lynch today. Not picking up any scummy vibes from him so far.

[DrewVa]

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

To be honest, I do feel excitement every time Elsa mentions me in a post regardless if it's an insult. There's something there. I feel like Elsa wants to hate me but just can't. Elsa has this conceal--don't feel mentality when it comes to me. He can't just turn away and slam the door though. Perhaps, he should test the limits and break through and win this game with me us town.

Jesus Christ, we get it, just let it go man. Let it go.

Whose mans is this?

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Lynching random person and having short D1 is bad

Lynching you will give info, you have quite a bit of interactions and it will reduce pool for scum to hide

No, because Elsa is probably not scum here. Why are you pushing this so hard?

[DrewVa]

Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Has Chara been doing anything productive of late? If nor, I suggest we almost lynch their slot.

FIFY

[DrewVa]

Why do you want to vote ENG? (ironic, I know, since I RVS'd them)

That’s why we’re not in any hurry to end the day. We’re obviously not settled on this vote.

DVa can explain it more.

[DrewVa]

I don't like any of the day representatives tbh.

Not Xtoxm or McQueen?

[DrewVa]

Consider my vote on Ramcius.

Does this correlate to my interaction with him or something elsa?

[DrewVa]

Hmm, I have reason to believe drewva pulled scum.

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

This is RCE scum reading DrewVa based on a quote from a different game. RCE based this off of a rule slip only scum would know.

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

I would have had to read the rules to know that.

And then claimed not to have read the rules to begin with. Could be playing coy, but it seems like a tonal slip to me.

I'm not scumreading drewva. I'm semi-content with what I got out of it. I like Bef pushing there even if it was based on miscommunication. They are both just town here Imo.

Now, unless this is based on a discussion about the ruleslip in question, RCEnigma abandons the DrewVa non-town read with little clarification. Please expand on this if you like, but in your ISO I was unable to find good reason for this change in allegiance.

No it's a combination of the omgus read, presenting scumreads on myself and bef as serious reads then backing off when Bef gained support (or at least townreads), and then reverting back to "none of that is serious I'm still RVSing".

It all wreaks of cautious scum and I'm calling back on it.

This is RCEnigma accusing me of what I identified above as a very similar series of actions. Either he is a hypocrite or is scum himself.

I have already explained why I changed views on BEF (me not liking the semantic approach but also finding it too specific to be fake). Would you mind going into detail as to why you read me as scum other than your own "omgus" argument against me?

I had wanted to talk about something that I felt was semi-important but I forgot earlier so here we go.

I don't think Alonzo is necessarily scummy for wanting to end the day @ p30. Like, he seems genuine that he's just behind but the stopping the thread a little prematurely is nearsighted.

I think artificially extending the day beyond useful discussion is p anti-town but as long as it's fruitful it's not much of a big deal. I think the strength of this mechanic is that we can vote the scum without them knowing we are voting them...unless we say so. The only minor drawback is we can't really coordinate a lynch. I could do unofficial vote counts if we wanted to do them or we could just vote whomever in our threads and just see how that works.

I agree with this actually. I know I'm going to get scumread for saying we should use day 1 as a test day. I think in regards to how we want to handle votes/votecounts it should be a test day.

And then this statement basically agrees with all of my own points about who I have decided to vote for so far.

Now, don't go saying that me defending myself is inherently scummy here...

How is it a slip only scum would know if it was based on towns wincon?

Sure not reading the rules is a tonal slip, whatever that is.
Bef pushing got drewva to town tell when my approach couldn't. Why is that still an issue you for you 20+ pages later?

Based on the 1 post since the last time I gave the read, to which you only responded to one part of the read conveniently. Sure when I've got a bit of time.

The misrepping is still present.

How did BEF get us to ”towntell” exactly? All I recall saying is that I wanted him to stop talking to me, since my braincells were a terrible thing to waste.

[DrewVa]

Okay. But why don't you just post it? I'm just doing it to keep track for the rest of us townies. This is helpful for anyone who has decided to be open with their vote. Anyone at all, really. Don't get mad at me if you have also decided not add to the list.

Frankly, I found only that Ramcius wanted you dead but never felt that he wanted to vote for you.

Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Not today, anyway.

And you don’t find this scummy at all? Why not?

[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

Why do you want to vote ENG? (ironic, I know, since I RVS'd them)

That’s why we’re not in any hurry to end the day. We’re obviously not settled on this vote.

DVa can explain it more.

I had similar thoughts on page 1. Funny coincidence that it was the same person.

Okay. But why don't you just post it? I'm just doing it to keep track for the rest of us townies. This is helpful for anyone who has decided to be open with their vote. Anyone at all, really. Don't get mad at me if you have also decided not add to the list.

Frankly, I found only that Ramcius wanted you dead but never felt that he wanted to vote for you.

Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Not today, anyway.

And you don’t find this scummy at all? Why not?

Are you referring to Ramcius wanting Elsa dead? I don't think that means either of them is scum. I don't think Elsa is a good scum read anyway. I need to get a better read on Ramcius right now. Could go either way.

I disliked his push on him.

[DrewVa]

Activate: [DrewVa]



Activate: [Karmelon]



Activate: [Nero]

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

You sound very fun at parties.

[DrewVa]

I stopped, because I felt Elsa might be really bad town, I don't think scum would admit to not try to progress game and on top hindering our progress with 2 "for fun" scumreads on BEF and Alonso.

You truly underestimate my scum range if you think I couldn't do that as scum.

you see, there is difference between "might be town" and "is town"

also, I specifically said I want you dead, just to be sure

P. S. I don't care about feelings, you can ask Gamma or Nero, they have played with me quite a few times

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

[DrewVa]

I told you, my goal is to lynch scum. Making friends I leave for dead thread

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

VOTE: The Last Knight

Why TLK over Ramicius?

[DrewVa]

Is there such a thing as TWTBAW or just a freaking wolf?

[DrewVa]

VOTE: The Last Knight

Why TLK over Ramicius?

profii voted TLK and I want an actual wagon going rather than multiple vanity wagons by the end of the day.

I could do TLK, I just think Ram is scummier.

[DrewVa]

I have an active dislike for incessant posting of pictures and videos. Especially when they seem to be intended to convey meaning -- for me they don't even when it might be obvious to most people. I never play videos in particular and wish it were possible to have the browser not show or download them at all. Though that would result in more than a few posts that look empty.

Despite that, DrewVa is a townlean. Ultimate Liars is a scumlean. Karmeleon townlean. Nero townlean.

Keeping track of things is still a pain without in-thread voting, you don't get the flow info. I'm worried that town will have too little info to go on.

I assume you’ve heard of crumbing?

Well, that’s how I crumb or sometimes, just have fun but I also try to be considerate of the fact that some people are phone posting, so I encapsolate all videos with actual visual effects and/or larger pictures in spoiler tags, to not clutter up the thread, so nobody is forced to clicked them.

[DrewVa]

and that's the problem.

Maybe try be more towny, if you actual town. It might solve your problem

How is Karmelon not townie?

Sorting people > townie than tunneling.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: The Last Knight

Why TLK over Ramicius?

My reasoning is Ramcius fits the category of "asshole townie" while TLK is just scummy. Just reading his responses scream "I hate this shit town why am I apart of it". Still could be scum, but it's more lilely for TLK to flip scum here.

Alright, I’ll switch our vote to TLK then.

VOTE: TLK

I still much prefer Ram. :/

[DrewVa]

Is it just me or the last four pages have absolutely no reads?

You're not the only one thinking that. I've been struggling to get reads on people. So far on pg 37 and had nero & mcqueen still as town .

Trying to catch up.. doing some ISO skimming.. who is Formerfish??

~The older head (but not necessarily the wiser)

Formerfish is a somewhat belligerent player who frequented newbie queue and still did, last time I saw. His scum & town meta was somewhat obvious when seen. For some reason I keep thinking ram is formerfish .

FF was 1/2 of a scum hydra in DnD mafia.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: The Last Knight

Why TLK over Ramicius?

profii voted TLK and I want an actual wagon going rather than multiple vanity wagons by the end of the day.

I could do TLK, I just think Ram is scummier.

Am I scumiest person in game?

I didn’t think so initially. I thought your push on Thanos for giving us an easy townread was fine but then you said you wanted Elsa “dead” and now are accusing someone, I read as obvtown and accusing him of “slipping”? which I don’t see at all, so yeah, that looks scummy to me.

But TLK lynch is preferred over you, so I guess I’ll have to go with that then. I suppose you could just be bad town because I’m obviously disagreeing with your pushes. \_0_/

I wasn’t necessarily sr Thanos, I just thought a critical push on that read on us was fine.

[DrewVa]

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

[DrewVa]

C'mon guys, you don't want to vote to lynch me... Not if you're town anyway. Scum can vote for me all they want. Careful of that hammer!

But I will continue to update this unofficial VC as the votes come in. And others should feel free to do so, if they so desire.

Convince the people on your wagon to vote Ram instead and I’ll switch.

[DrewVa]

Yeah I’m feeling the Ram vote
VOTE: Ramcius

\o/

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Ramicius

[DrewVa]

What do you think of 827?

That post isn’t bad but the two I mentioned ping me.

I should ISO TLK again but Ram accused Karmeleon of “slipping” and I didn’t see any slip. Karmelon reads obvtown to me.

I also don’t think Elsa’s scum here. Have you played with Elsa before? I don’t see anything that especially gives me scum pings. I also read slots on tone as well and both Ram and TLK and even Alonzo have worse tone than Elsa.

I mean. I don’t find his tone at all scummy. I would rather vote the fish over Elsa.

[DrewVa]

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

Policy lynching?

But I don’t see why Karmelon is scum. I think he’s blatantly obvtown from what I’m seeing so far.

[DrewVa]

To be clear, I'm no fan of Ram's trajectory after that, but thought that post scored some points so want to see if it's been included or ignored in favor of what came later, and why.

Decent scum can be capable of making townie posts too. I’ve been fooled many times by that. The fact is that he accused Karmelon of “slipping”. Where was the slip?

I also don’t buy his I’m townier because I want to lynch scum as opposed to just finding them. Because unless you have an actual guilty, it’s a guess at best, so finding them and correctly sorting them is the most important, because you don’t want to mislynch.

Did he really change his read on Elsa or realize no one was biting?

[DrewVa]

Yeah I’m feeling the Ram vote
VOTE: Ramcius

That's an interesting vote, coming from someone, who played quite a few games with me. Want to share reason for it?

You know I’m hit-or-miss at reading you anyway
As for why, I just don’t like the way you’re pushing things, I get the sense you have an agenda

Vote Gamma!

Why is that scummy?

You’re also scumreading AC aren’t you? another one of my townreads.

I don’t know what you are yet but I know I won’t be sheeping you, That’s for damn sure.

[DrewVa]

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

[DrewVa]

I still like Rammore than TLK but both are pinging me but I think TLK has more possible lynchbaity equity, of the two. \_0_/

I don’t want to vote for Karmelon, Gamma, Elsa.

I really don’t have a read yet on ENG.

[DrewVa]

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

He already voted to end day, so he have no more power

Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon

I can drive poor Boon to drink by once again, changing my vote?

[DrewVa]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

[DrewVa]

lets lynch in

2. Ultimate Liars (Kokichi /Hebichan)
8. Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer)
9. Theta Alpine
10. Elsa Jay
17. Ramcius
19. Emperor flippyNips
21. Emperors New Groove
22. RCEnigma

Talk to me about 2, 9, 19 and 21, Thanks.

[DrewVa]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

We don't need majority, so we have to vote no lynch to have no lynch

Have you ever played on MU? I once got mislynched in a last second rand right before deadline, with just 3 votes.

[DrewVa]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

i thought if we hit deadline then most votes = lynch
or if the reps vote to end day, same again, most votes goes

we dont have to form a majority i dont think so someone basically is going for sure

But isn’t it better to acheive a town consensus? Also, it the lynch doesn’t logically add up, we know someone lied about their vote.

[DrewVa]

have any of those slots done anything?

No but I prefer to have as much info as possible for my vote. I’m not opposed to most of those slots. I’m not scumreading Elsa and I don’t think I want to lynch RCE today. CD is nullscum atm for me but \_0_/. Like even if a lurksack has at least one blatantly scummy post, I can get behind it.

[DrewVa]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

We don't need majority, so we have to vote no lynch to have no lynch

Have you ever played on MU? I once got mislynched in a last second rand right before deadline, with just 3 votes.

I tried, 70 pages to read in less than 24h (36/18 17p game), replaced out and never looked back

Their 12/12 beats that. I slept through the whole thing - made a single one vote post on D3 and promptly got shot.

[DrewVa]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

i thought if we hit deadline then most votes = lynch
or if the reps vote to end day, same again, most votes goes

we dont have to form a majority i dont think so someone basically is going for sure

But isn’t it better to acheive a town consensus? Also, it the lynch doesn’t logically add up, we know someone lied about their vote.

Absolutley - just checking you knew this game is “plurality” which seems to be the name for what we are talking about

Yes, I get that but I still feel better if it’s not like a one or two vote difference.

[DrewVa]

Sorry.

-.-

[DrewVa]

C'mon guys, you don't want to vote to lynch me... Not if you're town anyway. Scum can vote for me all they want. Careful of that hammer!

But I will continue to update this unofficial VC as the votes come in. And others should feel free to do so, if they so desire.

Convince the people on your wagon to vote Ram instead and I’ll switch.

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

He already voted to end day, so he have no more power

Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon

I can drive poor Boon to drink by once again, changing my vote?

Nah, keep it, i like to see who comes along on my wagon

I just want to point out that you're talking to the person who told me to put you on the counterwagon, while I have said nothing about you other than defending your own right to a public vote.

Have any other reason to read me scum?

Link me?

I don’t recall Ram sr us, I do recall Alonzo doing that though.

Anyway, I just saw Boon’s post about you being a forum mafia newb, so that makes me less want to vote you but good catch.

Your scum equity didn’t increase just by being Ram’s counterwagon, so it makes no sense for that to affect his read on you. Voting you, maybe but it shouldn’t affect his read at all.

Thanks, feeling even better about my vote now.

But I would still like to see that link. Thanks.

I was talking to Ramcius there. I was just quoting you so that Ram knew that you were the one to tell me to counterwagon him.

So, as far as I saw, there is no link about Ramcius SR you.

Okay but do you think you being his counterwagon, should have any impact on his read on you?

[DrewVa]

Sorry.

Please quote slips into your hydra iso so we don't miss it later, thanks.

C'mon guys, you don't want to vote to lynch me... Not if you're town anyway. Scum can vote for me all they want. Careful of that hammer!

But I will continue to update this unofficial VC as the votes come in. And others should feel free to do so, if they so desire.

Convince the people on your wagon to vote Ram instead and I’ll switch.

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

He already voted to end day, so he have no more power

Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon

I can drive poor Boon to drink by once again, changing my vote?

Nah, keep it, i like to see who comes along on my wagon

I just want to point out that you're talking to the person who told me to put you on the counterwagon, while I have said nothing about you other than defending your own right to a public vote.

Have any other reason to read me scum?

Link me?

I don’t recall Ram sr us, I do recall Alonzo doing that though.

Anyway, I just saw Boon’s post about you being a forum mafia newb, so that makes me less want to vote you but good catch.

Your scum equity didn’t increase just by being Ram’s counterwagon, so it makes no sense for that to affect his read on you. Voting you, maybe but it shouldn’t affect his read at all.

Thanks, feeling even better about my vote now.

But I would still like to see that link. Thanks.

Sure, np.

[DrewVa]

lets lynch in

2. Ultimate Liars (Kokichi /Hebichan)
8. Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer)
9. Theta Alpine
10. Elsa Jay
17. Ramcius
19. Emperor flippyNips
21. Emperors New Groove
22. RCEnigma

Talk to me about 2, 9, 19 and 21, Thanks.

i have no opinion on any of those people. and therefore do not oppose their lynches. i thought you might like to know this.

Okay, noted. Thanks.

[DrewVa]

C'mon guys, you don't want to vote to lynch me... Not if you're town anyway. Scum can vote for me all they want. Careful of that hammer!

But I will continue to update this unofficial VC as the votes come in. And others should feel free to do so, if they so desire.

Convince the people on your wagon to vote Ram instead and I’ll switch.

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

He already voted to end day, so he have no more power

Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon

I can drive poor Boon to drink by once again, changing my vote?

Nah, keep it, i like to see who comes along on my wagon

I just want to point out that you're talking to the person who told me to put you on the counterwagon, while I have said nothing about you other than defending your own right to a public vote.

Have any other reason to read me scum?

Link me?

I don’t recall Ram sr us, I do recall Alonzo doing that though.

Anyway, I just saw Boon’s post about you being a forum mafia newb, so that makes me less want to vote you but good catch.

Your scum equity didn’t increase just by being Ram’s counterwagon, so it makes no sense for that to affect his read on you. Voting you, maybe but it shouldn’t affect his read at all.

Thanks, feeling even better about my vote now.

But I would still like to see that link. Thanks.

I was talking to Ramcius there. I was just quoting you so that Ram knew that you were the one to tell me to counterwagon him.

So, as far as I saw, there is no link about Ramcius SR you.

Okay but do you think you being his counterwagon, should have any impact on his read on you?

No, I don't think his scumread on me, based on your counterwagon on him, is warranted. Kind of feels like a weird third party omgus.

What makes you think he’s a 3P as opposed to scum?

[DrewVa]

Okay, I tried to do a "spoiler" to make that post less annoying to read and my forum-noob is slipping...

stuff here or

Spoiler:

other stuff here

Also hit preview so you can use buttons if not wanting to type tags

@TLK,when in doubt use the 2nd one [spoiler=] as opposed to the first one [spoiler] because it’s extremely hard to look it up, from a mobile device or tablet.

[DrewVa]

/in dis shit

Feel free to give this guy a lot of crap in game. He’s my noob friend. (He’s pretty good at mafia, just never played forum mafia.

Oh, I didn’t know he’s a newb at forum mafia. @The Last Knight, what KIND of mafia have you played before and how is forum mafia different for you?

Pretty sure you gotta ask that in the actual thread, DrewVa, lol.

Thanks.

[DrewVa]

My job is to be useless and fetch quotes sometimes for friends. Also be entertaining.

By the way, hypothetically, if I had a gun, who would be opposed if I shot Nero Cain?

Yes I definitely would because he’s obvtown in this game.

[DrewVa]

Then who would/should I shoot? Ramcius seems too obvious.

One of Nero’s lurker slots?

[DrewVa]

What makes you think he’s a 3P as opposed to scum?

Oh, I didn't mean 3P literally. I don't think multiball is a thing in this game. There were talks about it in the first 10 pages or so.

I just meant, it felt like Ramcius was scum reading me off of something you, DrewVa, told me to do. So maybe the correct term for what Ramcius is doing would be scapegoating.

I call it scummy because there is no logical correlation between the two. And making reads that imply logic but aren’t, reads scummy to me.

[DrewVa]

I checked the front page and saw a dude named theta alpine exists, Appearantly. Guess I could shoot there.

Hmmm . . . very weak townlean based on a couple of HER posts. TA frequently gets wrongly scumread as town. I would probably give her at least another day to clarify her alignment.

[DrewVa]

Then one of the emperors? Work with me here drew.

Who is flippynips and will he have the power to every day early, like he threatened to do today?

DVa’s initial vote was on ENG but think you should an easy ISO of the lurker slots and see which one made the scummiest sounding posts?

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.

Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.

Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.

Other townie slots:

I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.

Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.

what is your read on Elsa?

Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).

I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.

I agree with you wrt all of the contradictions and his read on you, reads more opportunistically self-pres than a “policy lynch” but yeah his aggressive pushes - are not on everyone. He hasn’t been aggressive with our slot for example, even in the slightest. Ram is only agressive with slots. he thinks he can push and RCE is obviously one of them. His vote on obvtown Karmelon is really bad and I don’t understand his scumread on Gamma.

Like his shading of RCE in that quote, clearly makes no sense. It wouldn’t at all shock me if Ram were to flip scum here.

[DrewVa]

My vote is currently sitting on RCE but I'd be ok with any of the slots I listed earlier. Of those Ram is the only one with a wagon on him.

Read TLK’s case on him. I think you’ll see that he is clearly scummier than RCE, who based on this interaction, reads pretty townie by comparison.

I feel a lot better about Ram flipping scum, than I do about RCE.

[DrewVa]

already changed my vote dear. No point in vanity voting RCE and I guess Ram's scumflip makes RCE a green pm.

Yeah, not seeing them as w/w here.

That’s one of the main things that pinged me the most, his completely non-sensical push on onvtown Karmeleon for reasons that made absolutely no sense. I honestly would be extremely surprised, if Ram flips green here. Saying, what he did to Karmelon - that it’s townier to “lynch” scum, than to “find” them, reads like a convenient excuse to to confibias and rationalize pushing probable mislynches.

Oh and,

D’awwe.

[DrewVa]

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

Wrt the bolded, possible slip?

[DrewVa]

What makes you think he’s a 3P as opposed to scum?

Oh, I didn't mean 3P literally. I don't think multiball is a thing in this game. There were talks about it in the first 10 pages or so.

I just meant, it felt like Ramcius was scum reading me off of something you, DrewVa, told me to do. So maybe the correct term for what Ramcius is doing would be scapegoating.

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.

Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.

Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.

Other townie slots:

I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.

Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.

what is your read on Elsa?

Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).

I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.

Am I reading this right DrewVa is a shit stirrer?

If Ram flips red, I think people should take another look at you.

[DrewVa]

Stop

Sorry, I read your post, AFTER I posted that.

[DrewVa]

Yeah, I see that bold type as a likely scumslip, DrewVa.

That caught my eye right away. When does town ever say that this isn’t their town game?

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

Spoiler:

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

Wrt the bolded, possible slip?

In case, anyone missed it.

[DrewVa]

My vote is currently sitting on RCE but I'd be ok with any of the slots I listed earlier. Of those Ram is the only one with a wagon on him.

already changed my vote dear. No point in vanity voting RCE and I guess Ram's scumflip makes RCE a green pm.

Based on context, I can't tell if you want to vote RCE still, want to vote Ram, or are purposely being vague. But if you want me to add you to the unofficial VC, I can do that for you. I just don't want to misrepresent your vote.

I think he’s being pretty clear here. I think TLK is town. I don’t see this type of thing coming from scum.

[DrewVa]

Saying that it isn't my town meta, when i play differently from my normal town playstyle is a scumslip?

I dunno if i should laugh or cry

You don’t think it’s a weird thing to say? You left out any sort of townie modifiers like “usual” or “typical”, which wouldn’t make it a slip. You straight up said, it wasn’t your towngame. Yep, looks like a slip to me.

[DrewVa]

Only Auro seems to be actually posting though, maybe not even Auro.

While Auro can powerpost as either alignment he posts like 20% less as scum and he's like 60% below average here. That being said... this is so far outside the average I have to consider that there's some real life interruption, or he's like third party or something. His posts haven't pinged me but he also doesn't feel town yet. -D

[DrewVa]

'I'm having trouble sorting Alonzo'

ftr I have trouble sorting Alonzo and I have said as much to Nancy -D

[DrewVa]

Yeah I’m feeling the Ram vote
VOTE: Ramcius

That's an interesting vote, coming from someone, who played quite a few games with me. Want to share reason for it?

You know I’m hit-or-miss at reading you anyway
As for why, I just don’t like the way you’re pushing things, I get the sense you have an agenda

Vote Gamma!

Is this a vote for Gamma, or are you trying to get Ramcius to vote Gamma?

It looks like he was trying to get a Gamma wagon going and since I haven’t likes any of his reads so far, I’m not putting much stock in them.

[DrewVa]

Fish is 35 and chiseled like a Greek god, I'v still no idea where 99 came from =P

The Queen is talking about BEF, not some other fish you may know that is 35 and pretty ripped.

Okay, I’m legit confused now. Which fishie is Michelangelo’s David?

Formerfish, the main to this head that ive slipped with twice now. I have history with Lonzo and we can read each other pretty well. He was looking for me to go at him in some way.

Okay, I somehow feel better that it is you and not BEF who is the Greek God. Why? Far less cognitive dissonance involved.

[DrewVa]

Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?

Nah, you remind me too much of me. You can stick around for a bit.

Yep, looks like a slip to me.

Can you show where you have sniffed out any slips prior to right now? Cause I would say in, shit i dunno, just about every other game I play in someone claims that someone else scum slipped and that we should lynch them. Do you know how many scum slips ive seen in all the time ive been playing? I cant think of a single one. Do you have more than a supposed scum slip?

I’ve already quoted and requoted it. He basically said. that this wasn’t his towngame. But I already had reasons to scumread him. - even before that. Bad pushes that make no sense to me. Inappropriate aggressive rhetoric like in the post TLK referenced wrt Ram’s strange response to RCE and the obvious contradictions in said posts.

[DrewVa]

Why is drewVA trying to get everyone scum read

What? How are you actually reading my posts and arriving at that conclusion?

[DrewVa]

Saying that it isn't my town meta, when i play differently from my normal town playstyle is a scumslip?

I dunno if i should laugh or cry

You don’t think it’s a weird thing to say? You left out any sort of townie modifiers like “usual” or “typical”, which wouldn’t make it a slip. You straight up said, it wasn’t your towngame. Yep, looks like a slip to me.

Why weird? Gamma and Nero played quite a few games with me, so if i say "yeah, it's my town meta", i would be called out. Do you see me using usual or typical or similar words?

I find the wording of it strange, regardless.

[DrewVa]

Why is drewVA trying to get everyone scum read

After Gamma flips red I'd be down to lynch that slot

Your reads are brilliant this game.

[DrewVa]

Why are we even talking about musculature of fish at this point
Who even brought that shit up

Alonzo. Please don’t make me go look that up.

[DrewVa]

I’d really like a source tbh

Fish is 35 and chiseled like a Greek god, I'v still no idea where 99 came from =P

[DrewVa]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

So my being convinced you’re probably scum here, defacto makes me scum.

Do you understand what OMGUS means?

[DrewVa]

Fish is 35 and chiseled like a Greek god, I'v still no idea where 99 came from =P

I'm 99 in Fish years......

I think scum is involved with this whole unofficial VC agenda. I'll get caught up and give more thoughts on that matter today.

So we need this extremely important matter cleared up. Which of you or FF is Alonzo’s “chiseled Greek God”?

But I obviously prefer to have as much info as possible, so I’m curious. I know he’s a newb so I’m thinking he’s just being awkward?

[DrewVa]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

"broken record act"? Could you explain that a little more?

~A

He doesn’t like it that I haven’t stopped scumreading him and considers that scummy.

You said we’re scumreading “everybody”. I said I’m sr Ram and if they flip red, I’m taking another look at Alonzo.

So, in what world - let alone THIS game - does that add up to “everybody”?

I thought you were supposed to be good at math.

[DrewVa]

So we need this extremely important matter cleared up. Which of you or FF is Alonzo’s “chiseled Greek God”?

Why is this "chiseled Greek God" crap relevant to the game? O.o
Does the answer help inform your reads?

~A

Ask Alonzo. He brought it up for some weird reason.

[DrewVa]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

So my being convinced you’re probably scum here, defacto makes me scum.

Do you understand what OMGUS means?

I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it

So, if I agree with someone, that makes us “buddies”? I have no idea what TLK is but yeah, I did think his reasoning wrt your posts made sense.

Okay, what are your arguments contradicting his?

[DrewVa]

You said we’re scumreading “everybody”. I said I’m sr Ram and if they flip red, I’m taking another look at Alonzo.

So, in what world - let alone THIS game - does that add up to “everybody”?

I thought you were supposed to be good at math.

I don't think Lamees meant it in the literal sense, but I'll let her explain further why she felt so.

~A

So, she is bad at math, because her post LITERALLY makes 0 sense, based on my ISO.

[DrewVa]

Ask Alonzo. He brought it up for some weird reason.

Does the answer to "who's the chiseled god" affect/inform your reads, or not?

~A

I said, ask Alonzo because he’s the one who brought that up.

[DrewVa]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

"broken record act"? Could you explain that a little more?

~A

They repeat same arguments over and over again, despite fact that i disproved them

How did you “disprove” them?

[DrewVa]

Ah. Reading back on it, DrewVa seems to think this is a slip:
"I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame."

I really disagree, it seems pretty clear to me he meant he's playing a different style.
I can NOT imagine scum actually saying "this isn't my towngame".

~A

At worst, I’m not wrong. At best, it’s NAI. Because I have seen it happen, more often than not.

[DrewVa]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

So my being convinced you’re probably scum here, defacto makes me scum.

Do you understand what OMGUS means?

I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it

So, if I agree with someone, that makes us “buddies”? I have no idea what TLK is but yeah, I did think his reasoning wrt your posts made sense.

Okay, what are your arguments contradicting his?

Do i really have to repeat everything i posted in response to him? Is this your admit that you haven't read my response s and pursue me without reading my defence?

I’m asking you a question. You should read it as, I’m asking you a question.

[DrewVa]

Ask Alonzo. He brought it up for some weird reason.

Does the answer to "who's the chiseled god" affect/inform your reads, or not?

~A

I said, ask Alonzo because he’s the one who brought that up.

Why should I ask him if the answer to your question informs *your* read? O.o
You asked the question, and I'm trying to find out what you were trying to get out of it.

~A

Oh, this really is a serious question then?

I legit thought your slot was trolling us for some reason.

I was kidding. rofl

[DrewVa]

At worst, I’m not wrong. At best, it’s NAI. Because I have seen it happen, more often than not.

The current subject is the legitimacy of the alleged "scumslip".
What you're saying in the quoted can be applied to anything anyone said.
(Assuming by "it" you refer to slips like this)
If you have seen slips highly similar to this one, can you quote them?

~A

Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.

[DrewVa]

Oh, this really is a serious question then?

I legit thought your slot was trolling us for some reason.

I was kidding. rofl

It was a serious question. o.O
I'm not trolling, I want to figure out why you asked the "chiseled fish" question.
What do you mean -- you asked that question as a joke? Not relevant to the game itself?

~A

I think you really are trolling us now. You actually think it was a serious question? Like for realz?

[DrewVa]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

So my being convinced you’re probably scum here, defacto makes me scum.

Do you understand what OMGUS means?

I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it

So, if I agree with someone, that makes us “buddies”? I have no idea what TLK is but yeah, I did think his reasoning wrt your posts made sense.

Okay, what are your arguments contradicting his?

Do i really have to repeat everything i posted in response to him? Is this your admit that you haven't read my response s and pursue me without reading my defence?

I’m asking you a question. You should read it as, I’m asking you a question.

Considering i gave response to all his accusations, and to "contradiction" i gave answer twice, yours asking me again is strange, don't you think so?

If you have something else to ask, or my answer was clear enough, you can make summary and i try answer as best as i can to all your concerns

It would just make it easier for me, if you could summarize your basic points.

[DrewVa]

Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.

Well, I don't buy that anyone made a slip of that specific nature ("this isn't my towngame") as scum; if you can back that up it'll lend some amount of credibility but as far as my judgment of the legitimacy of the slip itself goes, it doesn't look like one. Also, this is a very weak push.

~A

I am not looking through every game I’ve ever played to find them but yes, I have seen plenty of examples of this.

And I really DGAF what you think about that.

[DrewVa]

I think you really are trolling us now. You actually think it was a serious question? Like for realz?

I'd appreciate it if the game had less fluff or irrelevant content, since it's already hard to keep up with, then.

~A

That’s why I told you to ask Alonzo.