BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[DrewVa]

Why do we want to lynch vig Nero?

Elsa was just but hurt that I called her scum b4 she claimed vig.

but what, other than meta, makes them towny.

What makes me scummy?

Ah, butthurtedness. Makes sense! XD

As for you, actually in an Iso skim you seem towny to me. But it's based on more than Meta and more than

If there's not a good reason to scumread me then I'm town.

which is a subpar reason for a townread. I'm hoping for an elaboration from DrewVa on their read because "It's just meta" is such an easy way to make a read without backing it up.

For someone who calls my arguments “convoluted”, you’re not following the correct timeline of mine and Nero’s posting. We were nullreading him at the time he posted that. He became obvtown later.

[DrewVa]

Why do we want to lynch vig Nero?

Elsa was just but hurt that I called her scum b4 she claimed vig.

but what, other than meta, makes them towny.

What makes me scummy?

Ah, butthurtedness. Makes sense! XD

As for you, actually in an Iso skim you seem towny to me. But it's based on more than Meta and more than

If there's not a good reason to scumread me then I'm town.

which is a subpar reason for a townread. I'm hoping for an elaboration from DrewVa on their read because "It's just meta" is such an easy way to make a read without backing it up.

For someone who calls my arguments “convoluted”, you’re not following the correct timeline of mine and Nero’s posting. We were nullreading him at the time he posted that. He became obvtown later.

P.edit. Since when does a valid question ever constitute “butthurtedness”?

Dude, you really have no business calling anyone else’s arguments “convoluted”.

[DrewVa]

Vig Alonzo...

He has no data left anyways... he's a sitting duck.

Why are you, Ram, N&M, so eager to die?

[DrewVa]

I just want progress the game RN more than anything.

Here's some steamy Fresh my name is emperor flippynips and I lurk hard as scum meta

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78044

When it comes to flippynips I just say yes..

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77801

VOTE: FLIPPYNIPS

VOTE: END THE DAY

Okay, that’s pretty damn convincing.

I’ll sheep you on that.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flippynips

[DrewVa]

Checking in for catchup, bottom of 59.

Davesaz, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current gamestate.

~A

TBH I'm pretty far out of touch RN. Only have the last few pages in memory.

I think it would have been better for town for TLK to not claim, assuming the SuperSaint claim is even real. The kneejerk reaction to people not "hammering" as directed can easily catch a TPR who has a darn good reason not to be venged just as much as it could catch scum, and therefore the strategy of trying to designate someone goes out the window. Though the claim does help TPRs avoid the hammer by not piling on, but that makes it a great scum fakeclaim. I don't remember if SS gets to choose to venge or not, or if it's compulsive. And if it isn't compulsive there is a question that someone with that role should be asking the mod.

No, I was supersaint bomb and we didn’t get to choose. It’s always the hammer.

I was kind of wondering the same thing, because TLK is a forum newb but not a Mafia newb.\_0_/

But I think he’s self-resolving anyway.

[DrewVa]

Actually,

UNVOTE:

For now.

I’m not liking ENG’s recent posts.

I’ll wait on it a bit but ENG has altered the order of mine and Nero’s posts, to arrive at a false conclusion. Also, he accuses Nero for being “buthurt”, because he asked why was he scummy, which was hella weird.

[DrewVa]

Okay. Weve missed a lot. But the holidays are over so time to contribute. Drew what is your reads?

I tr Nero, AC, McQueen, Karmeleon, Daveas, Alonzo, Gamma, Thano, RCE and some others.

I’m sl on the emperors the most rn, Not liking Profil, CD too much.

But nothing really strong wrt sr yet. \_0_/

I’m going to think on it some more and confer with DVa.



How about you guys?

[DrewVa]

Hey TLK, do me a solid and list everyone's preferred vigi shot instead of a VC count next.

{Nero / S_S }

Lynch one, shoot t’other

Nero is town. Did you even bother to click on those links I posted? Or are you just confibiased in your read on him?

[DrewVa]

Can we get a consensus on if we are lynching SS before we end the day? Pls ty. I've only skimmed the past 5 pages or so but no one's talking about the important thing for day one.

Think the hammers should be one of the emperors, ramcius, thanos, or like....theta. *don't think ramcius is scum tbh but that's probably one of the d1 kills that would give the most information.

Elsa shoot Profii and I'll bring a cake for the queen.

I’m a wee bit behind but I’ll vote SS

As I quoted that I just saw shoot me, that’s mean

You’re insisting on voting obvtown but I think ENG’s Nero push is way scummier, so probably voting one of the emperors.

[DrewVa]

Actually,

UNVOTE:

For now.

I’m not liking ENG’s recent posts.

I’ll wait on it a bit but ENG has altered the order of mine and Nero’s posts, to arrive at a false conclusion. Also, he accuses Nero for being “buthurt”, because he asked why was he scummy, which was hella weird.

2 weeks, 400+ post and with 2 days left on the clock you just got a new angle on ENG?

Do me a favour....

We’ll probably vote there. Can’t you wait until I discuss it with DVa?

[DrewVa]

Can we get a consensus on if we are lynching SS before we end the day? Pls ty. I've only skimmed the past 5 pages or so but no one's talking about the important thing for day one.

Think the hammers should be one of the emperors, ramcius, thanos, or like....theta. *don't think ramcius is scum tbh but that's probably one of the d1 kills that would give the most information.

Elsa shoot Profii and I'll bring a cake for the queen.

I townlean Thanos and nullread Theta. I think Theta will get more sortable. Ram doesn’t seem survivalistic enough to be scum, so probably is town.

I’m nullreading SS, am I missing something?

Alonzo has a good case on Flippy but ENG is seems to be confibiasing a read on Nero that is a clear misrepresentation of both ours and Nero’s posting. ENG is making no effort to either understand why he’s being tr and/or to be making any attempt to sort him at all. I don’t know why Profil is so tunneled on him either.

Rn, I lean to removing one of the emperors. Haven’t decided which, yet.

[DrewVa]

Xtoxm can be scum.

~ C

Profii can live today.

~ C

EFN looks like a lurker lynch. Didn't see anything AI there.
ENG is town.

~ C

Planning to explain any of these reads?

[DrewVa]

Oh sorry. I skimmed their ISOs and thats how I felt.

Can you explain how you have no real scumreads?

~ C

We do, have you not been following our posts?

You also know that my strength early on is in forming strong townreads, so I find it very interesting you emphasizing that.

[DrewVa]

Oh sorry. I skimmed their ISOs and thats how I felt.

Can you explain how you have no real scumreads?

~ C

And that is a completely unhelpful answer.

[DrewVa]

Performer is hiding behind cheeky and they are shaky AF RN.

Perf knows my meta well also, but is actually out here as part of a Hydra actively trying to decieve.

This feels townie. May consider voting someone else. Alonzo's ISO isn't as bad as I thought it was.

Looking at Xtoxm and Profii next.

~ C

Times my iso has been worse than yours this game equals zero...

[DrewVa]

I nominate both Almost Chara or Gamma Emerald to hammer me.

I nominate Elsa Jay to nominate someone to vote me.

If either one of these three get 3 or more collaborators, then that should be enough of a concensus, right? Seeing as we are so close to end of day.

AC??? You’ve got to be kidding me. They are one of my top townreads and why are you sr Gamma?

[DrewVa]

so

policy lynch the vengeful/supersaint claim then i guess
unless someone has a better idea

What if it’s true? The way he keeps on pushing this lolhammer thing, makes me think it’s real. I think if he was faking it, he would have backed down by now?

[DrewVa]

Oh sorry. I skimmed their ISOs and thats how I felt.

Can you explain how you have no real scumreads?

~ C

We do, have you not been following our posts?

You also know that my strength early on is in forming strong townreads, so I find it very interesting you emphasizing that.

I have - your last reads list said you had no strong scum reads. I don't know anything about how you play except you post more than me as either alignment which is demoralising to say the least.

I’m “demoralizing” irrespective of alignment? Ouch, I’m wounded. LMFAO

[DrewVa]

Oh sorry. I skimmed their ISOs and thats how I felt.

Can you explain how you have no real scumreads?

~ C

And that is a completely unhelpful answer.

Yeah it was me being a smartass. It's my polite way of saying "no"

You’re doubling down on not explaining your reads, got it.

[DrewVa]

@Alzo
@Drew
@TLK
@Elsa
@Nev and Max
@Gamma
@Xtoxm
@a50

Who are your votes on?

I’m leaning to one of the emperors rn. I’m currently not liking them, CD or Profil.

[DrewVa]

Day 1 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm

(expired on 2018-12-28 18:00:00) on December 28th, 2018.

Mod Notes: I’m being lenient with prods right now for the holidays. If Night 1 ends in a really busy time, I’ll have a longer night to compensate.

We're down to the wire. Theta disappeared again. Sigh. I just wanted her to be useful.

I will give Theta 2 options. To vote TLK when she gets back as a safety net for everyone elsa here, or get lynched/shot at the discretion of the rest of the town.

so

policy lynch the vengeful/supersaint claim then i guess
unless someone has a better idea

I didn’t like this post, however. In this kind of setup, the odds favour a townie dying over scum. Why would you lynch a hardclaim TPR anyway? If TLK really is a supersaint, then it’s self-resolving anyhow.

[DrewVa]

b/c we get rid of two sketchy slots. I mean, not that I find TLK scummy but there are/were a large # of ppl scumreading him and his role can get rid of another. If I were an SS I'd be more than happy suiciding on someone I scumread and that's what he wants to do so...

Though I kinda don't see us being able to really coordinate this rn.

I'm not seeing the big fuss over ENG. I mean yeah, lurking and being useless are both heads scum game so it's certainly possible but your reaon for scum reading him isn't exactly correct. He's not really tunneling me, He questioned my town read and then when he was challenged he called me townish. So its more of a hedge than a tunnel...not that that makes him that much better. I think if you are deadset on deposing an emperor then EFN is maybe slightly scummier.

VOTE: Flippynips

DVa already voted in our confessional, so barring any better options. Alonzo has a pretty decent metacase.

[DrewVa]

b/c we get rid of two sketchy slots. I mean, not that I find TLK scummy but there are/were a large # of ppl scumreading him and his role can get rid of another. If I were an SS I'd be more than happy suiciding on someone I scumread and that's what he wants to do so...

Though I kinda don't see us being able to really coordinate this rn.

I'm not seeing the big fuss over ENG. I mean yeah, lurking and being useless are both heads scum game so it's certainly possible but your reaon for scum reading him isn't exactly correct. He's not really tunneling me, He questioned my town read and then when he was challenged he called me townish. So its more of a hedge than a tunnel...not that that makes him that much better. I think if you are deadset on deposing an emperor then EFN is maybe slightly scummier.

VOTE: Flippynips

DVa already voted in our confessional, so barring any better options. Alonzo has a pretty decent metacase.

Im gonna be honest. I need time to skim his scum game, but i also know he lurked as town. No way I’m willing to put a vote on what is essentially a random player at this point. He’s done nothing, and there are scum reads out there along with a Super saint claim. I’m not lynching some randy. Sorry

inb4 drewva says I’m buddying him.

How are you buddying us exactly and who do you think we should vote for then?

Like no matter what decision we make, someone has an issue with it. :/

[DrewVa]

Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol

And ftr my vote is still on Elsa

See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.

Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.

[DrewVa]

It would be really helpful to know who is voting, Flippy, Profil and Cheeky. But Nero is a terrible vote and he seems locked into that vote and ignoring other reads on that slot.

[DrewVa]

Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol

And ftr my vote is still on Elsa

See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.

Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.

Profii is a mighty fine choice.

CD’s ISO is scummier. The holidays are making it all the harder to sort the less active but Flippy is the only active lurker slot to have given 0 reads so far - not a single read.

[DrewVa]

I wouldn't say that's PP's meta
and Ari doesn't do very well D1 iirc

are you tling eng gamma or do you just dislike TLK's push? -D

[DrewVa]

RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.

Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.

That’s an interesting point. I’m feeling better about our vote now.

[DrewVa]

With the holiday straddling that this game did, I read virtually all lurkers as null.

But if the meta read on ENG is that they lurk as scum as either head is convincing for me. I just want to get a proper wagon going if we aren't planning to lynch me today.

Anyone else trying to VOTE: Emperors New Groove?

What about Alonzo’s case on Flippy? At least ENG has done something.

[DrewVa]

Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol

And ftr my vote is still on Elsa

See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.

Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.

See, call this counterintuitive, but how about you vote for your scumreads instead of sheeping others almost exclusively throughout day1. Idc if ur not on the main lynch. It gives u town vibes tomorrow and throughout.

I officially give up.

So sorry, I can’t just pull a rabbit out of a hat to please you.

Ftr, our Flippy vote > your Elsa vote. If either one is a probable mislynch, it’s Elsa. But just keep on giving me a hard time over this, for no good reason.

[DrewVa]

Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol

And ftr my vote is still on Elsa

See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.

Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.

Profii is a mighty fine choice.

I wanted to say this in response to DrewVa, but I wanted them to form their own conclusions.

Also, don’t exactly like how RCE just pops in and says this

We don’t know who to vote for and Alonzo has made the best case so far. Yes, it’s a sheep and I’m fine with it rn. I’m not opposed to Profil/Cheeky or anyone else who might be sketchy but until someone comes up with a better case, I feel good leaving my vote where it is.

[DrewVa]

RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.

Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.

I mean... or he was so busy with both his posting went down in both.

Sorry, but that’s a conflict of interest here.

Flippy’s posting was completely different - where he wound up flipping two different alignments - in games that had started at the same time. The main reason I unvoted, was I thought the holidays might possibly be a factor but this would indicate otherwise.

[DrewVa]

RE flippy- this game and the linked scumgame started at the same time, Scum! nippy barely posted there and was policy lynched day 1.

Now would Scum!Flippy do the same here? would town flippy post here more ? Im inclined to think there's a direct correlation in the behaviour.

I mean... or he was so busy with both his posting went down in both.

Sorry, but that’s a conflict of interest here.

my second choice was cheeky, whaddya think?

Xtoxm can be scum.

~ C

Profii can live today.

~ C

EFN looks like a lurker lynch. Didn't see anything AI there.
ENG is town.

~ C

Planning to explain any of these reads?

[DrewVa]

Oh wait did I misunderstand? Are you talking about our Drewva read? Can you explain your read on Profii? Sorry if you've done so already.

~ C

Yes I disagreed with your earlier DrewVa read. Not so sure now, but atm Drew is null.

Think you saw my profii read. As for the Nero thing, Nero’s a pretty universal tr except for profii has a sr on him

If you bothered doing a metacheck on me, you would know that I usually don’t have strong scumreads on D1, if this is the main reason you’re nullreading us atm.

Yes and that’s one of my main reasons for thinking Profil might be scummy.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.

FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

[DrewVa]

@BEF

Not sure what that means because I’ve never been part of a BooneyToonz game before.

Is there actually a BOONus round? How do you know that DrewVa was apart of it?

I’m pretty sure you’re joking, but just to be sure.

No they’re not unfortunately and who’s ever responsible for them getting into it, should smack themselves silly.

[DrewVa]

@BEF

Not sure what that means because I’ve never been part of a BooneyToonz game before.

Is there actually a BOONus round? How do you know that DrewVa was apart of it?

I’m pretty sure you’re joking, but just to be sure.

I was in a round with DrewVa and Alonzo. DrewVa went on and on about if we are all town in the real game we should compromise so that we all get a prize. We we all did compromise and Alonzo and I were town and DrewVa was scum so DrewVa won the round and said they were choosing 1-shot Vig to be used starting N2.
Granted, the winner of the round choose their prize in their confessional thread so maybe they picked one of the other two options which were Loyal or Macho.

Oh wonderful, out Alonzo too. Next time I roll scum, I want you to be town in that game.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.

FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this

Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them ). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.

FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

Also, you can explain what you mean when you say “our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game” ?

Sure, the BOOnus round is a separate game within a game, so in our round, there was of course two town and one scum - which was very likely either the same or two scum to one town, in the other room. In our round, Alonzo and BEF got town and we got scum. BEF doesn’t seem to understand that whatever alignment one gets in the BOOnus round, has nothing to do with the main game. Like in our case, the prizes were macho, loyal, 1-shot vig and a +1, that cannot be used with vig. The player that we gifted the vig to, also has the +1 but they will not be able to use it unless they win some other BOOnus prize.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.

FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this

Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them ). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.

I actually don’t mind that he outed it. If you’re town, why do you care? The more info the better. And if we can use the events of the Boonus round to scumread/hunt, I don’t see the issue.

How does it help you to scumhunt? BEF has basically put targets on all of our backs, so thanfully we didn’t keep the vig for ourself, or we would very likely be the NK tonight and also fortunately, ISoing us, will not help you figure out who we gifted the vig too. Thankfully BEF doesn’t have access to our confessional and the vig will remain hidden and safe.

[DrewVa]

I want to know how DrewVa has information about the other round.

Boon told us.

We asked if there was a second room.

[DrewVa]

Is it like a mini mafia game and the winner gets the prize?

Exactly, 3p overnight mafia

Then why did DrewVa say it could be 1 town 2 mafia? That’s an auto win for mafia

It could theoretically be 3 Town or 3 mafia too

Really? How would that work though? Based on how the BOOnus round is played, doesn’t at least one of the three players have to be of a different alignment?

[DrewVa]

Is it like a mini mafia game and the winner gets the prize?

Exactly, 3p overnight mafia

Then why did DrewVa say it could be 1 town 2 mafia? That’s an auto win for mafia

It could theoretically be 3 Town or 3 mafia too

?? I’m talking about in within the BOOnus round, if it’s a mini mafia game, how could there be 3 town? Makes no sense

(If they are, in fact, not dependent on the main game roles)

Yeah, I agree, it doesn’t make any sense. Basically, we have to either vote for one of the other two or vote, “compromise”. Now, if you vote compromise, it’s kind of a gambit, to assume there are two of your respective alignment in that round. If you guess wrong, which BEF and Alonzo did, since they were blue and we were pink, they lost and we won. If there OTOH, had been two pinks and only one blue, we would have lost with a “compromise” vote.

[DrewVa]

Iv just been over the Invite to the boonus round in my confessional thread, no mention of multiple games happening...

We specifically asked and were told there was a second one.

I’m assuming there are two each night. I’m not sure how the players are all selected but yeah, Boon confirmed it in our confessional.

There are probably completely different prizes as well. We weren’t informed about anything other than there was 2 rounds.

[DrewVa]

I was in a BOONus round myself (room C) and our game had the possibility of being all one alignment

We were group A.

So funny that Boon told DrewVa there were 2 groups when there were apparently at least 3

No, he didn’t say they’re were only two. We asked if there was a second round and he confirmed that there was.

[DrewVa]

Iv just been over the Invite to the boonus round in my confessional thread, no mention of multiple games happening...

We specifically asked and were told there was a second one.

I’m assuming there are two each night. I’m not sure how the players are all selected but yeah, Boon confirmed it in our confessional.

There are probably completely different prizes as well. We weren’t informed about anything other than there was 2 rounds.

So its Gamma whos Lying to throw you under the bus...

We specifically asked if there was a second round, so I assumed there were only two. Boon never specifically said that there were only two, only confirmed that there was a second one. So, I actually don’t know how many there are.

[DrewVa]

Oh wait, can confirm, there’s at least three rooms. Boon just made mention of other rooms - plural. That obviously means, at least 3.

[DrewVa]

BOONus Rounds

• Along with the night phase, there will be the BOONus Rounds. When there are more than 18 players alive, 9 players will be chosen for this, more than 12, 6 players, and more than 6 players alive, 3 players. These BOONus Rounds will give potential Prizes to players, which you can then choose to keep for yourself, or anonymously give to other players. To make it fair, PRIORITY will be given to players who have not been involved in these rounds as the game goes on.

According to this, 3 3p games makes sense

Okay, 3 in total, with 9 players participating. DVa played in it and mad props to her. \o/

[DrewVa]

And I am not disclosing who won mine and would suggest future players do the same

Well, you got lucky. Me and Alonzo got stuck with the fish. :/

[DrewVa]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.

FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this

Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them ). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.

I actually don’t mind that he outed it. If you’re town, why do you care? The more info the better. And if we can use the events of the Boonus round to scumread/hunt, I don’t see the issue.

How does it help you to scumhunt? BEF has basically put targets on all of our backs, so thanfully we didn’t keep the vig for ourself, or we would very likely be the NK tonight and also fortunately, ISoing us, will not help you figure out who we gifted the vig too. Thankfully BEF doesn’t have access to our confessional and the vig will remain hidden and safe.

It puts targets on all 3 of you? Cool? Alonzo’s already a townread, it doesn’t matter. If you’re town, you should worry about defending yourself today than getting killed tomorrow. BEF isn’t auto town, but from where I’m sitting, he’s headed there and you’re not

We voted Flippy and you tried to talk us out of that vote.

[DrewVa]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

I didn’t say I wouldn’t say who was in it
But saying who won is bad form

And I guess while we’re here my group had Nero, myself, and Thanos in it

Yeah I agree.

So far, have no idea about the third group but it looks like all town so far - well 5 pro-town town and 1 scumsiding town.

[DrewVa]

Day 2 Begins!

Almost Chara has died. They were a...

Spoiler:

Almost50 and Chara

Welcome, Almost Chara, you are a Town 1-shot Visitor.

Abilities:
• At night, you may target a player. This does nothing else.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying in your Confessionals Thread.

I missed this. :/

I wonder why they were targeted.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.

FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

Can someone explain what the BOONus rounds are and how they work? It’s probably in the first few posts, but I haven’t checked and I’m already typing this

Some players were chosen (and if I had any idea, who was boneheaded enough to chose BEF, I’d want PL both of them ). I believe maybe 6? in all. There were two BOOnus rooms, so we don’t know who the other three players are or who won the other prize or what they did with it. We probably won’t find out, since they were most likely fortunate enough, not to have a Dim Eyed Fishie in there’s.

I actually don’t mind that he outed it. If you’re town, why do you care? The more info the better. And if we can use the events of the Boonus round to scumread/hunt, I don’t see the issue.

How does it help you to scumhunt? BEF has basically put targets on all of our backs, so thanfully we didn’t keep the vig for ourself, or we would very likely be the NK tonight and also fortunately, ISoing us, will not help you figure out who we gifted the vig too. Thankfully BEF doesn’t have access to our confessional and the vig will remain hidden and safe.

It puts targets on all 3 of you? Cool? Alonzo’s already a townread, it doesn’t matter. If you’re town, you should worry about defending yourself today than getting killed tomorrow. BEF isn’t auto town, but from where I’m sitting, he’s headed there and you’re not

We voted Flippy and you tried to talk us out of that vote.

Again, you could have been bussing. I mean I’m glad we killed a scum, but looking bad I still wouldn’t have placed my vote on him from where I was Day 1. Not that I had great reads at the end of the Day, either..

And you still don’t, if you think WE’RE bussing. I sheeped Alonzo because his scumcase on them made sense. I felt more confident about them flipping scum, than any of my other scumleans. Considering the fact, that they also had ETD powers, I think voting them was a pretty smart gambit. You don’t want scum to have that kind of power in this game, so yeah, that was partially a factor in my decision.

[DrewVa]

Day 2 Begins!

Almost Chara has died. They were a...

Spoiler:

Almost50 and Chara

Welcome, Almost Chara, you are a Town 1-shot Visitor.

Abilities:
• At night, you may target a player. This does nothing else.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying in your Confessionals Thread.

I missed this. :/

I wonder why they were targeted.

Sorry, I’m nitpicking, But is the first thing you look for not who died?

Yeah I should have.

[DrewVa]

So what happened to Elsa’s vig claim? Only one person died, and the way she described it, sounded compulsive

Elsa fakeclaims as easily as he breathes and it’s entirely NAI. He had everyone in Overkill 1, convinced he was a 3P doc and in Excalibur, he fooled scum into NKing him, thinking that he was Merlin.

[DrewVa]

So what happened to Elsa’s vig claim? Only one person died, and the way she described it, sounded compulsive

Elsa fakeclaims as easily as he breathes and it’s entirely NAI. He had everyone in Overkill 1, convinced he was a 3P doc and in Excalibur, he fooled scum into NKing him, thinking that he was Merlin.

Ay but all y’all ignored me when I said I didn’t believe him

I didn’t but I didn’t scumread him for it. And in Overkill 1, his fakeclaiming woundup being really protown, because he was neutral 3P hider and on D2, he claimed town doc and got most of the scum to target him, instead of town.

[DrewVa]

Don’t get it; what sense does it make to claim doc as a 3p? Surely doing so gets him killed and he loses, so why?

No because he was 3P 1-shot bp hider and his wincon was to survive to endgame, which he did.

[DrewVa]

Don’t get it; what sense does it make to claim doc as a 3p? Surely doing so gets him killed and he loses, so why?

No because he was 3P 1-shot bp hider and his wincon was to survive to endgame, which he did.

P.edit. Forgot ascetic.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa played a dirty BOONus round and said they were taking the Vig prize.

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game. If I didn’t already know how badly you scumside as town, I’d 100% be scumreading you for the blatantly anti-town post.

FYI, we did in fact select vig but we gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect and since unlike you, we don’t want to gamethrow, we’ll leave it up to the player we gifted it to, to claim or not if/when they feel like it. I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

Also, you can explain what you mean when you say “our alignment in the BOOnus round has no relevance in the main game” ?

Sure, the BOOnus round is a separate game within a game, so in our round, there was of course two town and one scum - which was very likely either the same or two scum to one town, in the other room. In our round, Alonzo and BEF got town and we got scum. BEF doesn’t seem to understand that whatever alignment one gets in the BOOnus round, has nothing to do with the main game. Like in our case, the prizes were macho, loyal, 1-shot vig and a +1, that cannot be used with vig. The player that we gifted the vig to, also has the +1 but they will not be able to use it unless they win some other BOOnus prize.

Is it like a mini mafia game and the winner gets the prize?

Exactly, 3p overnight mafia

Then why did DrewVa say it could be 1 town 2 mafia? That’s an auto win for mafia

Missed this. Unlike real mafia, BOOnus is a lot closer to Prisoner’s Dilemma because no one knows the alignments of the other two players. If they did, they’d have an unfair advantage.

[DrewVa]

Wow. Hell of a claim then

Yeah and hella convincing. I didn’t realize how much, until we saw all of the NAs.

[DrewVa]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

I honestly DGAF what you believe.

[DrewVa]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Fish can’t read apparently.

[DrewVa]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

[DrewVa]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

And you’ll once again be wrong, just like you were when you scumread us and faked that guilty on Hebi, in Overkill 2.

[DrewVa]

this is a big game, and i don't care too much about getting our scumreads lynched right away.
what i do care about is making sure my townreads don't get lynched, and i don't want TLK going down today. if we end now, that's pretty likely to happen. and even if town does get lynched, i'd rather see more people make a stand on whether or not they want that to happen so we can read it later.
~Chara

This looks good for TLK.

[DrewVa]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

Wanna reread BEF’s posts tomorrow morning. Not sure I agree with his angle of attack, but he seems very genuine today so far. Welcome to the townreads

Yeah, he’s really bad town, similar to Overkill 2, where he got town!hebi mislynched with a fake guilty.

[DrewVa]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

And you’ll once again be wrong, just like you were when you scumread us and faked that guilty on Hebi, in Overkill 2.

Also.
DrewVa tried to use my several fake guilties to discredit me in the BOONus round too and they were Scum there.

We would have also done that as town. As far as we were concerned, we were good with either both Alonzo and us winning, us winning or Alonzo winning. We didn’t really care all that much who won, so long as it wasn’t you.

[DrewVa]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

Wanna reread BEF’s posts tomorrow morning. Not sure I agree with his angle of attack, but he seems very genuine today so far. Welcome to the townreads

Yeah, he’s really bad town, similar to Overkill 2, where he got town!hebi mislynched with a fake guilty.

Yeah, I was also a PGO that drew in a scum l night visit

I’d give you props for that if you hadn’t faked a guilty on obvtown.

[DrewVa]

I'm still not buying that DrewVa was told by Boon there was another BOONus round.

Bro read the thing Ram quoted. Cleared this up

Yeah the issue was cleared up. But where DrewVa got that info is the question.
Because DrewVa didn't get it from Boon and they didn't get it from the rules post.

Yes we did and you need to change your name to Dim Eyed Fish.

I don't believe Boon told you in your confessional.

Wanna reread BEF’s posts tomorrow morning. Not sure I agree with his angle of attack, but he seems very genuine today so far. Welcome to the townreads

Saltiness aside from being outplayed last night, BEF is right Drew is a suspicious sausage. I got pings that Drew had an agenda beyond just pink/blue, that her wanting to win last night may have been AI. What information does town! get asking the mod about the existence of other ongoing games?? Drew has shown in her actions that there's more than meets the eye so far and that they are thinking on a level beyond your average VT...

I really don’t see that as AI. I didn’t ask who was in them, so I don’t see how that makes any sense. I also don’t know who the players were in any round but ours and only know about Gamma’s because of what he posted. Fortunately, the vig is in the possession of a player unlikely to get NK’d or vigged, if another one indeed even exists.

[DrewVa]

I, the great thanos, too, was in a BOONus round.

Had no idea another one took place. DrewVa must then be scum with one or both of the participants in my BOONus round. And that is worrisome because they won and I lost (which is no big deal to me as the prizes werent that great imo). But the worrisome part is that the prizes were SUPER scum beneficial. (They both got to choose one of:

- no night actions work on you
- you can choose a player to setup a neighborhood with
- cant be tracked

Now we know there are three bonus rooms. But drew claimed two. If the mod did infact say there were other gameS as they claim. Then that does not mean there is one other game. That was nothing but a scum slip. I am going to assume there was at least 1 scum in each room.

VOTE: drewva

I really hope this is Lamees and Auro really isn’t this dumb.

[DrewVa]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Actually no, there is cant be one scum in each room, as that would allow drew to slip 3 rooms not 2. So we can assume it's random.

We are not scum - in the main game. Boon told us about the other rooms and you aren’t thinking clearly. We voted scum but hey, conveniently ignore that.

[DrewVa]

Thanos- everything you just said has been covered

I know, just stating my reason for voting. And also those prizes I leaked are important to whoever is cop or tracker out there. Just keep that in mind.

I have no fucking clue about what the prizes were in your round and I only know you were even in that round, because Gamma posted it. How dense are you?

[DrewVa]

Iv just been over the Invite to the boonus round in my confessional thread, no mention of multiple games happening...

We specifically asked and were told there was a second one.

I’m assuming there are two each night. I’m not sure how the players are all selected but yeah, Boon confirmed it in our confessional.

There are probably completely different prizes as well. We weren’t informed about anything other than there was 2 rounds.

We don’t know but I think that would be a logical assumption, don’t you? Please tell me, this isn’t Aura who is this bad.

[DrewVa]

Oh wait, can confirm, there’s at least three rooms. Boon just made mention of other rooms - plural. That obviously means, at least 3.

Yes, because he fucking posted this AFTER I posted about a 2nd one. God, you must be taking scumhunting lessons from BEF.

[DrewVa]

If he made mentions of other ROOMS (plural). Howcome you took that as an other ROOM (single).

I just explained that. I asked if there was a 2nd room, which he confirmed. Then he made a post about there being other rooms than ours, so “rooms” plural, so I figured at least 3.

[DrewVa]

Thanos- everything you just said has been covered

I know, just stating my reason for voting. And also those prizes I leaked are important to whoever is cop or tracker out there. Just keep that in mind.

So unvote... Lol

Why? Did you read what I just posted.

Yeah and Boon posted ITT, post 2 or 3, (Ram quoted it, check his iso), that there were multiple rooms

Drewva said she accidentally claimed boon told her 2 in her confessional, but later said he told her there were multiple other roomS. If u wanna see that as a slip on her part, go ahead, but nobody will follow u, at least not because of your logic

No, I never said it was an “accident”. Where are you getting that from? I said I asked if there was a 2nd room, which he confirmed. Then after I posted that, he made a post about there being “other rooms”.

None if that was accidental.

[DrewVa]

Oh wait, can confirm, there’s at least three rooms. Boon just made mention of other rooms - plural. That obviously means, at least 3.

Yes, because he fucking posted this AFTER I posted about a 2nd one. God, you must be taking scumhunting lessons from BEF.

You are so heated but I’m over here laughing my tail off

It’s just so frustrating that had we been on a different wagon, we might have had a mislynch and I’m getting scumread for trying to out any useful information I can. No one who is jumping down my throat is even considering the logical scum motivation of my doing that.

[DrewVa]

I mean, it's the best we got for scum indications atm. Not parking vote there but you can't just ignore things.

Oh really? You mean like you NOT ignoring that as scum, I had 0 reason to out that? Of course not. Colour me NOT shocked.

I hope I win another BOOnus round and get a never ending rechargable X-shot of brain synapes, since the detective school of BEF, Thanos and tbd Scumhunting Gods. are making them commit hari-kari.

[DrewVa]

Swapsies!!!

???

Sorry, not following?

[DrewVa]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

There’s a fruit vendor in the setup? I don’t know how the “sticky” part affects this. Is that some type of modifier?

[DrewVa]

do you suppose that scum who participate in boonus rounds do or don't get scumchat?

I tried to get some chat going in our room last night (assuming town had been given free night chat essentially) Nancy was very closed about giving any reads away, and as I mentioned just went offline for ten hours having voted for a compromise.

No interest in talking shop at all...

Pedit.. and yeah the way its been claimed today rooms A(bef/alonzo/nancy) and C (gamma +2) got used overnight.
Did room B see any action?

The slip is weak but could go either way I guess. But this is the best case for suspicious Drewva. Especially post flip with Alonzo pushing emperor. TLK is another slot I'll push out of Lynch consideration based on his grouping of both emperor slots.

Don't care about theta, don't care to iso them they are a non factor. I don't think it has to be today we Lynch theta, they will always be lynchable.

I wasn't included in the boonus round, looks like McQueen wasn't either and I would definitely like to use the opportunity to use a nightchat. Is the thread locked once a winner(s) is announced? Is a winner announced only at the end of the night phase?

Can confirm thread is locked. Alonzo and BEF knew we won, because Boon outted all of the roles and then asked us what prize we wanted and if we wanted to keep it or gift it to any player of our choosing.

I guess you’ll have to ask Boon that.

@Boon?

Sup

[DrewVa]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

Why not?

[DrewVa]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

There’s a fruit vendor in the setup? I don’t know how the “sticky” part affects this. Is that some type of modifier?

The message I got say I pass the fruit on tonight which I guess is the sticky part

So I’m giving it to my loyal dude

So “sticky” fruit is like a chain letter type of thing.

[DrewVa]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

how come

I can't recall the exact wording but one of the prizes was "this prize will cause all night actions to fail" or something like that. I assume a scum taking this prize would be immune to investigations and other role stuff in the game. Not sure though.

Agree with this. I can’t see any town motivation for selecting this. What were the other prizes offered?

[DrewVa]

It sounds like a commuter and likely 1 shot.

It depends if the prize was just directed to the recipient or ALL night actions.

[DrewVa]

@thanos: are those only for N2? Those seem EXTREMELY powerful if they last the entire game

The room is locked and disappeared now but I think they are permanent. Like for the entire game. Because only the prize with the neighbor specifically said "1 shot"

As in you only get 1 shot to set up a neighborhood and have private communication with a player of your choosing. The other two prizes (immune to night actions and immune to tracking) didn't say 1 shot. So must be permanent.

No townie would ever pick immune to tracking. You guys got some weirdass prizes. Whoa. I would pick immune to the NK. I wouldn’t want to be immune from anything else.

I think the only prize that only scum would pick in ours is “macho”, for obvious reasons.

[DrewVa]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

how come

I can't recall the exact wording but one of the prizes was "this prize will cause all night actions to fail" or something like that. I assume a scum taking this prize would be immune to investigations and other role stuff in the game. Not sure though.

Agree with this. I can’t see any town motivation for selecting this. What were the other prizes offered?

-Immune to night actions (night kills still work on you)
-Immune to being tracked
-1 shot neighborhood setup

I guess auro needs to confirm here because I'm running off memory alone

My faith is restored. Hallelujah, I knew that moonlogic couldn’t possibly have come from Auro.

1) asetic

2) asetic/commuter/ninja

3) I would probably pick that one.

[DrewVa]

@thanos: are those only for N2? Those seem EXTREMELY powerful if they last the entire game

The room is locked and disappeared now but I think they are permanent. Like for the entire game. Because only the prize with the neighbor specifically said "1 shot"

As in you only get 1 shot to set up a neighborhood and have private communication with a player of your choosing. The other two prizes (immune to night actions and immune to tracking) didn't say 1 shot. So must be permanent.

No townie would ever pick immune to tracking. You guys got some weirdass prizes. Whoa. I would pick immune to the NK. I wouldn’t want to be immune from anything else.

I think the only prize that only scum would pick in ours is “macho”, for obvious reasons.

In the BOONus round you said you were debating between taking the VIG-shot or giving your top SR the macho modifier...

That was DVa but I could see that. The problem with that, is you’d need to assume there’s also a scumdoc in the setup. - not very likely.

Anyway, as I’ve already said, we picked vig and gifted it, to a player we townread but not widely by the rest of the playerlist, not widely scumread either. That player also received the useless +1, which can’t be used with vig.

I tried to gift it to two players but meanie ( ) Boon said no.

[DrewVa]

@thanos: are those only for N2? Those seem EXTREMELY powerful if they last the entire game

The room is locked and disappeared now but I think they are permanent. Like for the entire game. Because only the prize with the neighbor specifically said "1 shot"

As in you only get 1 shot to set up a neighborhood and have private communication with a player of your choosing. The other two prizes (immune to night actions and immune to tracking) didn't say 1 shot. So must be permanent.

No townie would ever pick immune to tracking. You guys got some weirdass prizes. Whoa. I would pick immune to the NK. I wouldn’t want to be immune from anything else.

I think the only prize that only scum would pick in ours is “macho”, for obvious reasons.

It said kills still work. I take that as night kills still kill as well as other means of killing.

So, from a town perspective, only 3 is pro-town.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: RCEnigma

Why?

[DrewVa]

If we assume that there only 5 scum (maybe 6, if 5 scumteam + traitor), we have huge number advantage, so rewards in BOONus rounds being not so useful for town is something reasonable

BOONus round reminds me a bit of Heroes in that respect, except on some days, all abilities were either pro-town or scum and on others, varying degrees of mixed.

[DrewVa]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

Coming from someone who faked a guilty on town, why shouldn’t everyone believe you? Stop pushing this. You were wrong about hebi and me in Overkill 2, who you also sr there too, remember?

If you are even thinking about doing to me here what you did to hebi in THIS game, I promise it won’t be pretty. So I don’t know if you’re thinking of pulling that shit here or not but I wouldn’t recommend it.

[DrewVa]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

No faith needed. I think the hidden votes helped a lot. I feel someone unintentionally bussed.

Okay, I know Auro never makes this kind of post. Why? the complete absence of logic in these two completely contrasting statements.

We were completely upfront and clear with OUR Flippy vote, so if any bussing occurred - intentionally or unintentionally, it obviously couldn’t have been us.

Btw, wrt “unintentional” bussing, is that actually a thing now? Is that what all the cool kids are doing?

[DrewVa]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

Coming from someone who faked a guilty on town, why shouldn’t everyone believe you? Stop pushing this. You were wrong about hebi and me in Overkill 2, who you also sr there too, remember?

If you are even thinking about doing to me here what you did to hebi in THIS game, I promise it won’t be pretty. So I don’t know if you’re thinking of pulling that shit here or not but I wouldn’t recommend it.

I also faked a guilty on Elsa and she was scum. No one believed me because she fake CCd but still I don't always miss.

Have you ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf?

If you fake a guilty even once on town, why the hell would you ever expect anyone to ever believe you again?

I have never ever once done that - as any alignment. Why? I want MY guilities or innos to be credible. I want everyone to know, that if I ever in any game claim either one, it’s because I have credibility.

This happened to Asuki in Forgotten Hourglass. He actually had a guilty on scum but due to his rep of continually lying about having guilties he didn’t, no one believed him.

Do you seriously not see the problem with that?

[DrewVa]

I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

How would you know if I'm in scum chat or not? Perhaps because you have access to it.

***This is the time where I would usually fake a guilty claim on DrewVa.

I don’t and if I had no meta knowledge of how embarrassingly off your reads were in Overkill 2, you’d probably be one of my top scumreads rn but BECAUSE of that game, I KNOW that you really ARE this bad.

You’re just damned lucky I gifted our vig prize because had I not had to foresight to do that, our ultimate NK, would sit squarely on YOUR head for helping scum know exactly, who to target.

Fortunately, I took into account how atrociously bad and anti-town a player you are and town won’t suffer the consequences of your poor judgement.

[DrewVa]

Wait, BEF faked a result this game? Where? And why lol. Who fakes results...

No, not here but he did fake one on town!hebi in Overkill 2, which resulted in her being mislynched. And it boggles my mind that he has no regret over that.

[DrewVa]

Wait, BEF faked a result this game? Where? And why lol. Who fakes results...

No not in this game but in several others.

I have no words . . .

[DrewVa]

Wait, BEF faked a result this game? Where? And why lol. Who fakes results...

No, not here but he did fake one on town!hebi in Overkill 2, which resulted in her being mislynched. And it boggles my mind that he has no regret over that.

I made my peace with Hebi.

That really isn’t the point. Don’t you care the slightest bit about credibility?

Why should anyone ever believe you when you claim a guilty, when you have admitted to repeatedly faking them?

Ftr, faking a guilty /= scumreading someone. We can all be wrong. The obvious difference between them, is being wrong, doesn’t hurt your credibility but faking guilties on town, absolutely kills it.

Do you seriously not understand this and why you need to stop doing this?

[DrewVa]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

No faith needed. I think the hidden votes helped a lot. I feel someone unintentionally bussed.

One one hand - I had no inkling EFN was going to be lynched - I had no feeling that he was getting votes - saying that - DrewVa said she kept it quiet and I was in a daze for most of the day-phase

On the other hand - I don’t see why scum would do this because of plurality but I guess given my perception that EFN want in danger maybe they were rigging the VCA


I think this doesn’t say much right now but a good book mark for reflection later - there is probably shenanigans afoot

Wrt the bolded, when did I ever say that? If anything I was extremely vocal about where my vote was going.

[DrewVa]

*Do you SR me this game

I don’t know your scumgame but if you could link me to one of your scumgames, that would be awesome.

All I have to go on is Overkill 2. You seem to be sincere but I just got completely bamboozled by scum!Dunn in Excalibur, who I had been hard townreading for sincerity. \_0_/

[DrewVa]

I misread 2585 haha

We have blatantly taken pains right from the getgo, to be as transparent as possible with our votes. Keeping quiet, would have been a lot less stressful.

Speaking of

@CheekyDancer, when did you decide to vote Flippy and what were your reasons?

[DrewVa]

DrewVa you are a genius I have an idea but I’ll need a PC and some time - mega post to ensue!

I am? How? Thanks?

[DrewVa]

Sorry about denying you in the Boonus round Alonzo, but I actually did not know whether BEF was really telling the truth so it was hard to care. I knew one of the two of us was getting a prize and not both. I veered on BEF telling the truth so he wouldn't get a prize because, simply put, I don't trust his judgment as either alignment and didn't want him fighting you for the vig shot. Sorry if that denied you the +1. As for Nancy's activity, she just let me handle it, and I was traveling toward the end of night cycle. -D

[DrewVa]

Gamma has finally unleashed her inner kawaii

I approve -d

[DrewVa]

So is ss and McQueen

can you expand on why you're sring McQueen? -d

[DrewVa]

Trying to start to collect my thoghts

Stronger townreads
Mcqueen -- curious about the scattered scumreads of this slot, because through thought process and effort he's seemed pretty town to me
Alonzo -- wasn't sure about this slot most of d1 but I think the timing of his pressure on EFN was very likely town-indicative
RCEnigma -- thought process/effort seems very town

Weaker townreads
Nero Cain -- Nancy seems adamant on this and I'm going with her read for now
Kokichi -- I've played with Kokichi enough times now to know that he doesn't read me very well and doesn't understand why I read him the way I do, and that makes me think the activity tells I've been using for him might still be decent.
BrightEyedFish -- While I find his reaction to my win of the boonus a bit annoying I think it's probably T.I.
Something_Smart -- Looked at another scum game for this slot and think he plays more "normal" as scum
Gamma Emerald -- misread Gamma several times before but still feeling fine for him as town for now
Davesaz -- liked 2715

Nulls
Karmeleon -- I was liking Karmy enough to dance with him yesterday but his activity tanking toward the end of yesterday and start of today makes me less certain on his towniness. That being said we're still coming off the holidays so we'll see what happens when he comes back properly. Maybe I should keep him as townlean for now but I kinda need to see his thought process post-flips more.
Profii -- wasn't liking this slot most of yesterday and trying to understand why he claimed inventor today. The claim could be TI but I don't know that the way he did it is TI
The Last Knight -- I don't know he's town based on the claim but I also wasn't strongly scumreading him before that so idk, not a big fan of his reads but not sure that they're "scummy" and not just "wrong" quite yet
Elsa Jay -- At some point I need to figure out what is actually town indicative for Elsa but I haven't yet. Thinking about his annoyance at the Boonus round talk. Maybe that could be? I'll think about it
Xtoxm -- I know his reads as town can be good sometimes, so I'd like to hear more about the reasoning in his reads in 2761. I think it's important to explore the strength of townreads and if I'm wrong on one of mcqueen or ss I'd like to know why.

Scum side of null
Emperors New Groove (PenguinPower/Aristophanes) -- I liked Ari's 2070 but the rest of this does not look like it's outside Penguin's scumrange and Ari hasn't really kept up the analysis
Theta Alpine -- This is basically below null just due to LAL; the content doesn't give me a read outside of "no signs of town yet"

"Hmmm" category
Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer) -- I liked the vote on Flippy. I also find it weird that Cheeky wants to townread people on the TLK wagon, when TLK's alignment is unknown, but hasn't really re-evaluated our slot based on the FlippyNips vote. idk, Performer should remember that even if he can't sort my scum range, that Shoshin's solution is to townread me based on whether town is winning--and town is winning right now. Still it's kinda hard to tell what's going on with this slot given Performer is kinda not here rn

"Hmmmmmm" category
Thanos (Lamees/Auro) -- kinda losing interest in whether lamees is tunneling or scum and while I saw a few whiffs of town Auro in our 1v1 d1 I still wouldn't say this slot reeks of towniness
Nev and Max -- I've been liking this slot for town d1 but flipping his read of us because... Nancy admitted she was commenting on stuff people was saying before really processing the flip? idk I know he admitted it's still early day but given Thanos and Cheeky were coming at us at the time I'm kinda like that's a bit scummy gents. He's entitled to take his time in sorting us but that seemed like an odd thing as being indicative of a scum agenda

"Hmmmmmmmmmmmm" category
Ramcius -- BEF actually has a kinda decent point about the winners of the boonus being day reps and that means Ram, regardless of alignment, was probably a scum nomination. That does not in and of itself make him lockscum. However, what I dislike a lot more than the setup spec stuff is the reaction from 2909 to 2915. IDK maybe he's just still stressed out from the pressure on d1 but that seemed like a strangely melodramatic reaction to BEF's post.

I'm putting our vote on Ram for the moment but I haven't had a chance to really talk with Nancy at length in a few days and it tends to help me a lot talking with her about my list.

-D

[DrewVa]

You guys can quit trying to get PP to conform to your approved style of play. If you took a moment to meta check him or Ari you'd know being a lurk lazy sack is mostly NAI. The amount of activity today from PP says they're town.

~ C

My biggest gripe with Theta is that Almost Chara had a scumread on them, but that doesn't mean AC was right

This could be a mistake. Chara has excellent reads. I'm not sure on Theta yet. I agree that vig takes care of that.

~ C

Have a lot to catch up to and posts to respond to but definitely agree with this.

Having recently finished a game with Chara and scum!Penguin.

Of course, do we know whch head of the two had that read? I’ve never played with the two of them as a hydra before but if Chara, than I would be very inclined to trust it.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

This was AlmostCharas top SR, and upon review of their Iso overnight I think we should roll with it.

Can we not? I want someone, who isn't hard lurker, so I can try sort people from associations

Do you have a better idea, or do you just not like his pick?

Nothing changed for me, so I want lynch same people I wanted D1

He can flips change nothing for you? I think voting anyone on Flippy wagon today, is beyond fucking stupid. D3, I would reassess.

[DrewVa]

Still liking Nero, Gamma, RCE for town. Feeling much better about Profil.

[DrewVa]

Still liking Nero, Gamma, RCE for town. Feeling much better about Profil.

Also liking Daveas, ENG and N&M and Alonzo. CD’s posting is a lot better today and mindelding with them on AC and ENG makes me feel a lot better about them. Being right on Profi, also help as does being on EOD scumwagon.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

This was AlmostCharas top SR, and upon review of their Iso overnight I think we should roll with it.

Can we not? I want someone, who isn't hard lurker, so I can try sort people from associations

Do you have a better idea, or do you just not like his pick?

Nothing changed for me, so I want lynch same people I wanted D1

He can flips change nothing for you? I think voting anyone on Flippy wagon today, is beyond fucking stupid. D3, I would reassess.

Nope, I still think you're scum. Also I love how your other head wants me dead

Welp, you’re dead wrong and I haven’t had a chance to discuss it with her but yeah, I don’t understand how VCA has 0 effect on anyone’s reads.

And yeah, you not being interested in reassessing your reads, is NAGL tbh.

[DrewVa]

What the heck is going on rn

Don’t know, still playing catch up. I did a brief skim of yesterday’s posts. I know, that we’re not planning to end the day, anytime soon. I think taking time to accurately assess reads and not rush our vote, clearly paid off, so I will be suspicious of anyone trying to prematurely rush things.

[DrewVa]

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Why did you want him to be here on d2?

I'm dissapointed in all of you, scum included

Why? We lynched scum. I'm sure you are disappointed that Nips lurked and got lynched though.

gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect

I mean, I'm right here. Sure scum can't leave me alive in LYLO but I would have used the vig before then. I'm just really heartbroken Nancy. But real talk, why would you not give it to me?

Anyone corroborate Gammas Room C stories?

Why does this matter?

I don't know if this stuff continues beyond this point but it all seems very very dumb to me. Boons mini show-off game has two "alignments" blue and pink and thus has no relevance to the Christmas colors in the main game.

Its past now but I instantly wanted to claim.



I don't know why Nancy would ask if there was more than one room but I'm willing to buy that she was told by Boon.

Nero, I didn’t want to put a target on your back, for the same reason, we didn’t keep it. I did try to gift you the +1 but Boon vetoed it.

Hopefully, you get another chance to win or that someone (maybe us) gifts something else to you.

The problem was that what we choose to do with our prize, has everything to do with the trustworthiness of our competitors in that round.

So had we been in a round with say you and Gamma, very good chance we would have gifted it to one of you.

[DrewVa]

i think over half the game have called dave town now and i'd just like to say i have no idea where thats coming from

His posting here, is pretty much identical to Overkill 2.

[DrewVa]

Welp, you’re dead wrong and I haven’t had a chance to discuss it with her but yeah, I don’t understand how VCA has 0 effect on anyone’s reads.

And yeah, you not being interested in reassessing your reads, is NAGL tbh.

I'm interested in reassessing my reads, I just don't think your participation in EFN lynch is AI, or I should say your timing on joining that wagon. Alonzo started, so he's pretty much clear (as if he wasn't my TR already) and other 2 joining close to deadline are clear too, scum wouldn't risk doing that, but you were in middle, when there were other better wagons around, yet you stayed on EFN

I disagree that wasn’t a good wagon. Alonzo pointed out that EFN meta was very AI. He then further clarified that the two games he referenced - happened at pretty much, the EXACT SAME TIME, so I think that made his scumcase on them, hella convincing to me.

[DrewVa]

stop outing BOONus round winners, it informs scum of who has more abilities to use

I mean it does look like there's a strong correlation between bonus winners and day reps.
I think boon wants scum to know where the prizes are going
The wording boon used in the rules for day reps is suggestive as well

Yes but no one knows either what prize is claimed nor if the winner keeps their prize or gifts it but yeah, wasn’t too happy with being a day rep. It makes me a lot less eager to win too any prizes.

If you repeatedly show up as day rep, it puts a huge target on your back.

[DrewVa]

Welp, you’re dead wrong and I haven’t had a chance to discuss it with her but yeah, I don’t understand how VCA has 0 effect on anyone’s reads.

And yeah, you not being interested in reassessing your reads, is NAGL tbh.

I'm interested in reassessing my reads, I just don't think your participation in EFN lynch is AI, or I should say your timing on joining that wagon. Alonzo started, so he's pretty much clear (as if he wasn't my TR already) and other 2 joining close to deadline are clear too, scum wouldn't risk doing that, but you were in middle, when there were other better wagons around, yet you stayed on EFN

I disagree that wasn’t a good wagon. Alonzo pointed out that EFN meta was very AI. He then further clarified that the two games he referenced - happened at pretty much, the EXACT SAME TIME, so I think that made his scumcase on them, hella convincing to me.

Feel free tell me who are his scumbuddies? As I learned nothing from his lynch

Would you have felt better, if we had lynched town?

No, I don’t know that yet. I am really frustrated that AC was not more forthcoming about their reads though. Did they have any other scumreads besides Theta?

[DrewVa]

I don’t like that Xtoxm seemingly gets voted by S_S for calling him a rolefisher - imo I agree with Xtoxm- s_s was trying to find out who I could “power up” by making loyal and thus could nk them

Not quite-- I voted him for calling me a rolefisher and then not responding to my request for an explanation.

Because you seem to have it wrong as well. The roles that I was asking for were ones that would have practically no town utility without your upgrade. He made it out as though "rolefishing" and "asking a certain role to claim" are the same, but rolefishing, when done by scum for scum-motivated reasons, has to actually help scum if successful. I don't think outing the town one-shot motion detector really helps scum.

How does it help town, to do that?

[DrewVa]

please explain to me WHAT BENEFIT I GET FROM ROLEFISHING A MOTION DETECTOR AS SCUM.

Because if they Md comes back and says erm guys I got no result then we have a potential guilty - that’s different from no movement

How is “no result” a potential guilty? Doesn’t that just mean either hypothetical MD was either likely RB’d or target commuted?

If an MD gets a result of “action”, that can’t be logically accounted for from a town perspective, wouldn’t that be far more indicative of a guilty?

[DrewVa]

Maybe a watcher or tracker caught a scum roleblocker visiting them. Maybe there is no scum roleblocker, or they only have one shot and didn't want to use it. All that is potential info for the town. NOT for the scum.

But how is prematurely outing any kind of investigative, ever good for town? Doesn’t it just inform scum to avoid those slots?

[DrewVa]

Welp, you’re dead wrong and I haven’t had a chance to discuss it with her but yeah, I don’t understand how VCA has 0 effect on anyone’s reads.

And yeah, you not being interested in reassessing your reads, is NAGL tbh.

I'm interested in reassessing my reads, I just don't think your participation in EFN lynch is AI, or I should say your timing on joining that wagon. Alonzo started, so he's pretty much clear (as if he wasn't my TR already) and other 2 joining close to deadline are clear too, scum wouldn't risk doing that, but you were in middle, when there were other better wagons around, yet you stayed on EFN

I disagree that wasn’t a good wagon. Alonzo pointed out that EFN meta was very AI. He then further clarified that the two games he referenced - happened at pretty much, the EXACT SAME TIME, so I think that made his scumcase on them, hella convincing to me.

Feel free tell me who are his scumbuddies? As I learned nothing from his lynch

Would you have felt better, if we had lynched town?

No, I don’t know that yet. I am really frustrated that AC was not more forthcoming about their reads though. Did they have any other scumreads besides Theta?

Would be better, if we lynched active scum

Why you concerned about my scumread on you? I'm not only person, who scumread your slot, I'm not even voting or pushing for your lynch, yet you singled me out for some reason

???

DVa said something in our confessional about not liking how you responded to BEF. I currently have no idea what that’s about though.

[DrewVa]

I'm fine not lynching anyone on the TLK wagon today.

The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]

~ C

Why?

I’m currently townreading Karmeleon and ENG.

[DrewVa]

What are your thoughts on the EOD VC?

~ C

Ok time to :thonk: about this.

Spoiler:

Day 1 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]
Theta Alpine[3]: - Almost Chara [12/27, 14:50], Elsa Jay [12/28, 17:41], The Last Knight [12/28, 17:35]
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - Ultimate Liars [12/15, 22:02], BrightEyedFish [12/28, 00:23]
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald [12/19, 12:37], Nero Cain [12/27, 14:52]
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma [12/20, 17:19],
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max [12/16, 16:58]
RCEnigma [1]: - Theta Alpine [12/18, 07:59]
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii [12/28, 17:01]

Not Voting [1]: Emperor flippyNips

RCE's vote stands out the most, but I suspect it was because he wasn't online to change his vote after profii's claim. I am surprised he didn't show up at all in the 12+ hours before deadline to at least reevaluate his vote which was at that time over a week old... but him being busy at the wrong time certainly isn't indicative of alignment.

There are a lot of lurker votes. 4 on flippy, 3 on Theta and 2 on Ultimate Lurkers. Of note is the fact that all the flippy/Theta votes were relatively recent but both UL votes were from a lot earlier. I don't recall a lot of discussion of lynching UL near the end of the day, but I know there was for flippy, which brings up the question to dave and Thanos, why did you stay on UL when it seemed like the consensus was if a lurker was lynched, it would be flippy?

Now, I know there was some meta case on flippy, I have no idea if there were any cases on the other two beyond activity. I think I recall feeling UL was slightly town but they definitely don't have enough content to read confidently. I don't think I've ever read Theta anyway.

The final thing of note is the votes on TLK who is pretty much not a lynch option at this stage in the game. I recognize that there's some element of daring in keeping your vote on a supersaint claim knowing that you could end up being hammer and getting killed by it. I also recognize that this is scarier for scum if TLK is town (conversely, if he is scum then it would be safer for scum who know it won't happen). But I still think it's stupid to stay on him at this point in the game, when his power is far more useful if used lategame... and all the votes on him were kept from long enough ago that it's unlikely they'd end up being the hammer vote.

Don't really see anything notable in the other wagons.

I'm not a huge proponent of VCA; I was more interested in seeing votecounts so I could see where people's heads were at during the day and how people would respond to wagons. But I think if we are going to get anything from this VC, it will probably be from the TLK or UL wagons.

I haven’t seen anything so far resembling vote counts and I find that kind of frustrating. Usually in games I find it extremely helpful, to be able to correlate people’s posting with VCs. Like AC’s keeping their reads hidden for the most part - has us at a considerable disadvantage.

[DrewVa]

Oh wait, can confirm, there’s at least three rooms. Boon just made mention of other rooms - plural. That obviously means, at least 3.

Yes, because he fucking posted this AFTER I posted about a 2nd one. God, you must be taking scumhunting lessons from BEF.

You are so heated but I’m over here laughing my tail off

I wish I could laugh, but the cringe takes over. The beef that DrewVa has with Thanos (Lamees) and BEF has little to do with this game, it seems. The hate posts and calling people stupid is pretty weak imo and I'm not a fan.

I’m not a fan of reads, which make no sense to me and I find the Auro head, thoughts in that hydra, generally more helpful.

I don’t “hate” anyone in this game. I don’t even think I hate anyone on this site. And fyi, that’s a mischaracterization of what I intended. I definitely don’t think any player in any game I’ve ever played with , is “stupid” and I apologize if that’s how it was interpreted. That said, I sometimes do think a player’s opinion or reads can be stupid - which is almost certainly what I meant.

[DrewVa]

Maybe a watcher or tracker caught a scum roleblocker visiting them. Maybe there is no scum roleblocker, or they only have one shot and didn't want to use it. All that is potential info for the town. NOT for the scum.

But how is prematurely outing any kind of investigative, ever good for town? Doesn’t it just inform scum to avoid those slots?

Is BEF town? (People who are familiar with him)

I haven’t gotten a chance to check out the scumgames he linked but he does seem to be very sincere about his opinions/reads and he is doing a lot more here than in Overkill 2 (where he was town). so I think, so probably town. I really wish someone would get it through his head, to quit it with the fake guilties though.

I’m not getting a great feeling about SS’s outing minor investigatives posts. What is your take on that? I know that DVa is scumreading Ram due to his response to BEF but I haven’t figured out what post that is yet.

[DrewVa]

I disliked how Mc tried end D1 with less than 24h left, his attempt to lynch Xtoxm right before deadline stands out too, when we have EFN scumflip (AC was on my list too for late Theta push, but they dead), his start of D2 interactions felt weird

TLK interactions you ask? Gamma is scum for sure, if TLK is, his vote against me, their interactions (TLK not pushing Gamma, when people started oppose my wagon, but changed his mind later in D1, Gamma being surprised by TLK not townreading him), DrewVa being undecided which one of us to choose, but once TLK came with some bad push on me, DrewVa accepted it without questions and was relentless pushing me

Tbh, i'd kill A50 N1 too, he's a formidable player, so I won't try look deep in that kill, especially, when he didn't outed his reads

That doesn’t mean, we shouldn’t try to figure out who they might have been suspicious of and who they were leaning town. They did give a few clues, so it’s still worth ISOing them.

[DrewVa]

We're voting Drewva atm. Haven't talked about it with Performer yet but will update when we've caught up.

~ C

Our vote is sitting on them as well for now. I'm just stuck on them missing the nk.

Hey, I’m unsure of DrewVa at this point because I feel they are slippery, but my read on them has been mostly town so far despite my pushing.

However, you mentioned earlier people use the “bring to first unread post” button and I have no idea what that is, nor have i ever used it. Sorry, i hate picking on people because maybe they really did miss it. Tbh, while i was actively seeking it out, it was not the first post i saw. But i did make sure to find it before posting.

Think ur reason is flimsy and unreliable Nev and Max

Yes, I didn’t check it out first. I’ve made that mistake in numerous games. If this the the only reason N&M do a 180 on us, it’s a really bad reason - especially when it looked like they were trying to pocket us by voting Thanos, when we were far from sure on them att.

[DrewVa]

Also, you still didnt answer why you’re agreeing with thanos and voting drewva. Thanos was proven more than once to not have made the best points regarding their vote on them

Performer agreed with Thanos. I'm Cheeky and I don't know what Thanos is saying because I'm reading parts that catch my eye. I voted Drewva for how they're reacting to pressure on them around the so called "scum slip" they're more likely to harp on about people being dumb (BEF) when they're scum ime.

I don't like you pushing Drewva whilst unvoting them. Not sure what that means yet.

~ C

No, actually that’s inaccurate. You are ignoring context. In Overkill 1, the context for my saying what I did, made 0 sense. In this case, I was expressing an honest opinion, based on things that didn’t make any sense to me.

[DrewVa]

Alonzo Theta is clearly being setup - it's unlikely scum kill people who lead back to them so blatantly, but yeah wifom.

~ C

So, in your opinion, scum is pushing Theta lynch?

So, who is the scum doing this?

But based on YGM, TIC was clearly being setup by BBmolla and Kokichi, with Flubber NK, so I this this is a valid point.

[DrewVa]

Yes I'm getting over it Nancy lol.

~ C

I have pretty decent reads. It may take me awhile but eventually they get pretty damn accurate, which is why the longer the game goes on, the more accurate they become.

Suffice it to say, town!me would have clearly realized you are probably obvtown by that point in that game.

[DrewVa]

I haven’t gotten a chance to check out the scumgames he linked but he does seem to be very sincere about his opinions/reads and he is doing a lot more here than in Overkill 2 (where he was town)

I read those games. I noticed he does try harder as scum so I'm a little concerned with his efforting here and also with a few things he's said. I will say he feels a little less stiff in this game though and I haven't noticed any blatant resemblances so I'm flip flopping there.

Oh okay, I’m only familiar with his Overkill 2 play but could that possibly have been due to him being PGO? My tpr play is very different than my vt play and I’ve been mislynched 3 times on MU as tpr but never once as vt.

[DrewVa]

???

DVa said something in our confessional about not liking how you responded to BEF. I currently have no idea what that’s about though.

BEF tried to start discussion, if i should vote end of day, so I won't have power to hammer end day later. I just voted end day right there, Xtoxm and BEF himself didn't liked that, so I unvoted. That was end of that discussion. DVa didn't liked me doing that

Oh okay. I personally don’t want to rush ETD. I am definitely not confident in that vote and I like to be, as much as possible.

Rn, SS is pinging me the most, primarily because I don’t see how what he was arguing, in anyway benefits town.

[DrewVa]

Why is the 4th end of day person scum?

Why can’t it be that scum just didn’t use that power and Boon has to fill the slot ?!

If you're scum do you:

A: want power and control.

Or

B: leave things you can control up to chance.

There is a thing called WIFOM dear friend

I totally understand that wifom is a thing. I'm saying that it is my opinion that scum are much more likely to try and take their destiny into their own hands. I know that I would if I were scum. I would argue that wifom exists no matter what, why try out thinking people when you can just say wifom and get out of it.

Even if their actions are clearly visible? I could see this as being more likely closer to endgame.

[DrewVa]

BEF, are you have strong townread on other 3 day reps?

I don't think being a Day Rep in itself is AI. For all I know all 4 could be scum. I think you are scum because you are a day rep without winning a BOONus round and the only other way we know of that someone can become a Day Rep is if they are scum and chose themselves to be a Day Rep.

If there have to be 4 day reps in a day, does it necessarily have to follow that one of the four, have to be scum? While, I’m not suggesting that you should ignore the fact that Ram didn’t win any BOONus round. I don’t think by itself it should defacto be viewed as a scumclaim.

[DrewVa]

BEF, are you have strong townread on other 3 day reps?

I don't think being a Day Rep in itself is AI. For all I know all 4 could be scum. I think you are scum because you are a day rep without winning a BOONus round and the only other way we know of that someone can become a Day Rep is if they are scum and chose themselves to be a Day Rep.

If there have to be 4 day reps in a day, does it necessarily have to follow that one of the four, have to be scum? While, I’m not suggesting that you should ignore the fact that Ram didn’t win any BOONus round. I don’t think by itself it should defacto be viewed as a scumclaim.

[DrewVa]

???

DVa said something in our confessional about not liking how you responded to BEF. I currently have no idea what that’s about though.

BEF tried to start discussion, if i should vote end of day, so I won't have power to hammer end day later. I just voted end day right there, Xtoxm and BEF himself didn't liked that, so I unvoted. That was end of that discussion. DVa didn't liked me doing that

It’s kind of null for me, because you weren’t actually pushing it.

I don’t know if TLK is scum or not but I’m kind of agreeing with Cheeky. It seems unlikely scum votes on a possible SS wagon, so I think I want to unvote you.

[DrewVa]

{Ultimate Liars, Theta Alpine, Gamma Emerald, Something_Smart}
{Mcqueen, Karmeleon}

I'm fine lynching in here today. Would prefer if UL/Theta were vigged.

~ C

I like Gamma for all of her BOONus round commentary, so definitely do not want to lynch there.

Unsure on McQueen. Some of his posts make me kind of wonder but other ones seem really townie, like the one where he he called out N & M for a bad reason to vote on us.

Was hard townreading Karmeleon but he hasn’t done too much recently.

Still null on Theta.

I liked Kokichi’s solo re-entrance. He made it a point of stating that hebi was responsible for their initial vote on us. I think that scum!Kokichi on seeing a few votes on us, opportunistically jumps on that, instead of making it clear, he didn’t support that vote.

SS is pinging me with all of the minor investigative talk, as I’m not at all buying how outing even hypothetical minor investigative slots, is good for town. It’s obviously good for scum. It’s a completely different thing if the hypothetical minor investigatives out themselves if they have any potentially useful results but on Day freaking 2, I fail to see how outing even the most minor of investigatives is ever good for town.

[DrewVa]

stop outing BOONus round winners, it informs scum of who has more abilities to use

I mean it does look like there's a strong correlation between bonus winners and day reps.
I think boon wants scum to know where the prizes are going
The wording boon used in the rules for day reps is suggestive as well

Yes but no one knows either what prize is claimed nor if the winner keeps their prize or gifts it but yeah, wasn’t too happy with being a day rep. It makes me a lot less eager to win too any prizes.

If you repeatedly show up as day rep, it puts a huge target on your back.

You know what I’ll roll with this theory until it’s busted. Get this:
BOONus round cycle so everyone gets equal opportunity
So people should not be day rep consecutive days if the BOONus round winner = day rep theory is true
So if one person who was in a BOONus round last night is a day rep tomorrow I say that’s a solid lynch. If more than one show up the theory is busted.
And FYI I have little qualms about being lynched by my own logic. Helps prove the theory is bullshit anyway in that case.

If it’s based on winning, I don’t see why they necessarily make a good lynch target? I was arguing more about the NK aspect of it, as scum obviously would want to NK any townies with too many priizes under thei belt.

I did notice that most players were in general townread. Like hardly no one who was widely scumread, were in those games.

[DrewVa]

No, I claimed traitor awhile ago Cheeky. I bolded it.

Help me out here in dying and taking out TLK as a possibility of being a Scum. In this setup trusting a SS is horrible. Get rid of me AND him.

Traitor and Miller aren't the same thing. Optimal play for a miller is to claim in your first post...at least before the first night phase...seriously wtf?

~ C

[DrewVa]

Loyal is really strong, the other two not so much.

I wouldn't go around giving loyal to a random person though. You want to give it to a weak investigative like motion detector or vanilla cop, because it turns them into a cop.

If you target someone of a different alignment, your action fails as if you were roleblocked. So if any investigative is loyal and gets any result, they know their target is town.

Not asking for a cop, I'm talking about an investigative role that right now is almost useless, like vanilla cop, voyeur, or motion detector. Neighborizer also qualifies. If somebody has one of those roles, it's probably worth it to come out.

Actually, that does make sense but still not a good idea to out them and how do we even know any of thrse exist in this setup?

[DrewVa]

I'll personally hammer TLK if nessecity necessary so town doesn't fear any backlash from his claim either. Otherwise, I feel like the majority discussion is between DrewVa and Theta. I'm wanting Theta to actually play before I make judgement, but otherwise, I'd kill them.

When have either DVa or me, interacted with Theta? She’s hardly interacted with anyone. How is our name getting dragged into this?

[DrewVa]

Yes, I didn’t check it out first. I’ve made that mistake in numerous games. If this the the only reason N&M do a 180 on us, it’s a really bad reason - especially when it looked like they were trying to pocket us by voting Thanos, when we were far from sure on them att.

Yeah I hate it when new info pops up and forces people to reevaluate reads as a result...

Max has been a little absent recently, I can only imagine that when you talk about us voting Thanos that it was Max who said that and not me. Our vote was on BEF day 1, and it's been on you so far day 2.

And as far as using "bad reason"s: Nuts.

What new info? First you pocket us, now this?

[DrewVa]

Even if their actions are clearly visible?

If their actions were clearly visible we wouldn't be having a discussion about what to do here, we would just be lynching ram to test the theory. The idea that wifom would save them is working right now because we aren't lynching the guy who might be scum based off mechanics.

You mean who? TLK? Oh Ram? Because of the day rep thing?

[DrewVa]

Yes, I didn’t check it out first. I’ve made that mistake in numerous games. If this the the only reason N&M do a 180 on us, it’s a really bad reason - especially when it looked like they were trying to pocket us by voting Thanos, when we were far from sure on them att.

Yeah I hate it when new info pops up and forces people to reevaluate reads as a result...

Max has been a little absent recently, I can only imagine that when you talk about us voting Thanos that it was Max who said that and not me. Our vote was on BEF day 1, and it's been on you so far day 2.

And as far as using "bad reason"s: Nuts.

What new info? First you pocket us, now this?

Do I need to link you to the numerous towngames where I’ve done that and does it even matter to you?

I mean you tried to make it seem on D1, that you were voting Thanos to please us, when we temp voted them. I don’t think you even care, whether or not your reasons make any sense. At least BEF actually believes what he’s saying. I’m not convinced you do.

[DrewVa]

Fine, it’s very trying on one’s patience, when your dealing with one hydra head acting unacceptably and you mistakenly diect that frustration on the wrong head. :/

I've direct experience playing against that head before and can understand the sentiment.
I've seen her keep getting mislynched for it, too, which is why I stress that she does this as town too and isn't scum-indicative.

Now, one thing that bothered me -- Max's last two posts looked a bit like a pocketing attempt to me. What do you think?

~A

Spoiler:

in other news: i'd totally be down for a thanos lynch

i'm in no way caught up and don't give two fucks to say this.

~M

ok

the nancydrew hydra is town

town will win this

also im going to bed

so good night

i love you all
you are all the best

xoxoxoxoxo

~Max

anyways

im actually caught up now.

reads are all over the place, but will discuss w/ nev and get back to this thread asap.

i have a few townreads so thats a plus!

xoxo

going to bed for real.

~m

btw if it makes you feel better, nancy/dva, i you got my vote regarding thanos slot without a doubt in regards to a lynch. i will get my bff on board because he has my back

So he gauges that we're in a 1v1, and immediately says he's down for a lynch on my slot, and is non-committal. There's another post where he flops on that which I didn't quote. Then he asserts that you're town, and town will win, and then suddenly makes a commitment to the vote -- the language there also seems more pockety than independent. ("You got my vote.. without a doubt")

The lack of consideration that this could be TvT both before and after reading the exchange reads *pocket* to me, hmm I'll keep this in mind for later.

~A

@Nev and Max:

I'm assuming your vote is on us; and we are your strongest scumread.
You did seem to develop that suspicion in the course of my DrewVa interactions; can you detail what exactly pinged you as scummy?
Do you disagree with Gamma Emerald that the kind of hydra dissonance my slot exhibited is towny?
What made you "side with" Nancy so blatantly?
I still feel you were pocketing her; a lazy, opportunistic pocket considering you haven't done much else till then.

~A

a lazy, opportunistic pocket considering you haven't done much else since then.

Corrected.

~A

[DrewVa]

Yes, I didn’t check it out first. I’ve made that mistake in numerous games. If this the the only reason N&M do a 180 on us, it’s a really bad reason - especially when it looked like they were trying to pocket us by voting Thanos, when we were far from sure on them att.

Yeah I hate it when new info pops up and forces people to reevaluate reads as a result...

Max has been a little absent recently, I can only imagine that when you talk about us voting Thanos that it was Max who said that and not me. Our vote was on BEF day 1, and it's been on you so far day 2.

And as far as using "bad reason"s: Nuts.

What new info? First you pocket us, now this?

Max might have spoken to you middle to end of day 1, but no one tried to pocket you. And the info I'm talking about is how I see your entrance into the day here and the fact that you missed the nk post. In my mind town just doesn't do that. I can't think of a single time where days start and I don't go to the 1st post in thread.

Are you not reading what I wrote? I said I’ve done that in numerous games. Are you just looking for a wagon to vote on, and ignoring any evidence contradicting your read, because that’s exactly what it looks like and yeah, your slot definitely did try to pocket us. None of your votes have had good and or sincere reasoning behind them not Thanos, not BEF, not us. Like the others, it’s just a really lazy vote. The other votes we got, actually had some real thought behind them.

[DrewVa]

DrewVA, if you had to end the day this instant, who would you lynch?

I don’t want to end the day yet. I haven’t even got a chance to consult with DVa. Why the rush? I guess SS in pinging me, with the calling of outing of power roles but there are other slots acting kind of scummy as well, so I need some more time. It worked out well for us on D1. What ain’t broke . . .

Who would you lynch rn?

[DrewVa]

Even if their actions are clearly visible?

If their actions were clearly visible we wouldn't be having a discussion about what to do here, we would just be lynching ram to test the theory. The idea that wifom would save them is working right now because we aren't lynching the guy who might be scum based off mechanics.

You mean who? TLK? Oh Ram? Because of the day rep thing?

Yes, Ram being included as a day rep is an anomaly. The other 3 share a common trait (boonus winners) and Ram is the odd man out as he wasn't in a round. We are told that scum have the ability to switch a player in to the reps, but that they would have had to do it before the start of the day when we get our new reps and we figure out where they are being picked from.

I think that the idea put forth that boon only picks 3 winners, and the other slot is "held" for scum if they chose to switch is conveluted and bullshit.

Easier explanation is that scum didn't know the mechanic beforehand, boon told them about the ability to put a scummer on the reps and they did so replacing the winner from group c.

Are you saying Ram replaced group C winner? I dunno, possibly but on D2, seems a bit of a reach? I would think scum would be more likely to do this closer to endgame. And so what if we test the theory and he flips town and D3,scum dayreps in and everyone wrongly townreads them, What then?

[DrewVa]

Are you not reading what I wrote? I said I’ve done that in numerous games. Are you just looking for a wagon to vote on, and ignoring any evidence contradicting your read, because that’s exactly what it looks like and yeah, your slot definitely did try to pocket us. None of your votes have had good and or sincere reasoning behind them not Thanos, not BEF, not us. Like the others, it’s just a really lazy vote. The other votes we got, actually had some real thought behind them.

Yes I am reading the words you are writing, gonna call me stupid now for not playing the way you want me to?

Looking for a wagon- I'm voting where I think scum is.
Contradictory evidence- what is this conflicting info?
Pocket- again, Max spoke then and I am not Max. When max comes around you can talk to him. However he hasn't been in today, so he would be very behind at this point and would probably defer to my judgement right now.
BEF- day 1 vote that we've moved away from now based on new shit from them (CRAZY).
Lazy vote- kick rocks, it's the start of day 2 when I was admittedly absent end of day 1. If you don't like my read then do something about it, but bitching at me about how stupid my votes have been won't work.

You’re being uber agressive and needlessly combative, when I point out that this is a a bad reason for a vote. because I have done this in numerous games, doesn’t impress me in the slightest. These kinds of tactics just make me even more suspicious of your slot.

[DrewVa]

Also, I just want to note that if scum was one of the other 3 reps, their ability might had no effect too

Yeah, I’m kind of getting bad vibes from N & M with his whole let’s test this theory thing. I get the impression, they don’t have genuine nuanced reads and really don’t much care who they vote for and their reaction to being questioned in the slightest, is really bad.

[DrewVa]

DrewVA, if you had to end the day this instant, who would you lynch?

I don’t want to end the day yet. I haven’t even got a chance to consult with DVa. Why the rush? I guess SS in pinging me, with the calling of outing of power roles but there are other slots acting kind of scummy as well, so I need some more time. It worked out well for us on D1. What ain’t broke . . .

Who would you lynch rn?

Ultimate Liars

How much info do you think their lynch will provide?

[DrewVa]

Also, I just want to note that if scum was one of the other 3 reps, their ability might had no effect too

This is an odd thought seemingly out of nowhere.
If Ram flips scum. Then I suspect there is another scum on the current day rep team. Looks like he is trying to cover some bases.

All 4 reps are maf, just don't tell anyone, especially Boon, ok?

FIFY.

[DrewVa]

DrewVA, if you had to end the day this instant, who would you lynch?

I don’t want to end the day yet. I haven’t even got a chance to consult with DVa. Why the rush? I guess SS in pinging me, with the calling of outing of power roles but there are other slots acting kind of scummy as well, so I need some more time. It worked out well for us on D1. What ain’t broke . . .

Who would you lynch rn?

Ultimate Liars

How much info do you think their lynch will provide?

Did we go after Emperor FlippyNips for info?

That was entirely different. Alonzo had a pretty decent case on them. What is your case on UL?

[DrewVa]

DrewVA, if you had to end the day this instant, who would you lynch?

I don’t want to end the day yet. I haven’t even got a chance to consult with DVa. Why the rush? I guess SS in pinging me, with the calling of outing of power roles but there are other slots acting kind of scummy as well, so I need some more time. It worked out well for us on D1. What ain’t broke . . .

Who would you lynch rn?

What do you think about Cheeky's quoted Mcueen messages from D1, where he tried fight EFN wagon?

He seemed to be basing it on EFN lurking as town. I dunno, I thought he was pretty towny D1, aside from that.

[DrewVa]

DrewVA, if you had to end the day this instant, who would you lynch?

I don’t want to end the day yet. I haven’t even got a chance to consult with DVa. Why the rush? I guess SS in pinging me, with the calling of outing of power roles but there are other slots acting kind of scummy as well, so I need some more time. It worked out well for us on D1. What ain’t broke . . .

Who would you lynch rn?

Ultimate Liars

How much info do you think their lynch will provide?

Did we go after Emperor FlippyNips for info?

That was entirely different. Alonzo had a pretty decent case on them. What is your case on UL?

hebichan is the case

Hasn’t she flaked sitewide?

[DrewVa]

Question. Which head of DrewVa was the one bashing me for outing minor investigatives?

Why don’t you explain how it doesn’t help scum find targets? Especially, once they’ve gotten the loyal modifiers added to them?

[DrewVa]

lets not kid ourselves the case was flimsy and the lynch was an incompetent last minute scramble

I completely disagree with that. I thought it was a pretty decent metacase. I wouldn’t have voted them otherwise.

[DrewVa]

NM, what do you think about the idea that scum can pick anyone in the game with that power?
if at some point in the game Ram flips and is town would you agree thats the case?
i just dont see from a mod design perspective why you set up a situation like this for someone to be confscummed on d2
this of course with the caveat that the pattern holds when our sample size increases from 1
are you pushing for ram to be lynched today? or do you want to see another round, i dont think ive seen you say

Yeah, it would seem kind of nuts, from a scum perspective to do that. All Boon actually told us. is scum has the ability to do this, if they choose and scum having a non-BOONus winner rep, just seems on D2, to not really make a whole lot of sense.

@Boon, can scum select only of their own, or anyone of their choosing for Dayrep?

[DrewVa]

DrewVA, if you had to end the day this instant, who would you lynch?

I don’t want to end the day yet. I haven’t even got a chance to consult with DVa. Why the rush? I guess SS in pinging me, with the calling of outing of power roles but there are other slots acting kind of scummy as well, so I need some more time. It worked out well for us on D1. What ain’t broke . . .

Who would you lynch rn?

What do you think about Cheeky's quoted Mcueen messages from D1, where he tried fight EFN wagon?

He seemed to be basing it on EFN lurking as town. I dunno, I thought he was pretty towny D1, aside from that.

But you agreed with Alonzo's "EFN lurks as scum" meta and ignored Mcqueen's "EFN lurks as town too" meta?

I disagreed with McQueen, that doesn’t mean I found his counter argument scummy. Once again. EFN’s posting style was completely different as town and scum - not even a single read and those two games were concurrent, so a pretty decent metacase, IMO.

[DrewVa]

on the plus side i think we got a lot of telling interactions that we wouldnt have got if the day had suddenly ended 24h earlier

Yeah and I don’t understand why the hurry to end the day. I know I am nowhere near ready or solidified on my vote. I don’t understand why votes are being rushed in this setup, when they usually aren’t in other ones?

[DrewVa]

lets not kid ourselves the case was flimsy and the lynch was an incompetent last minute scramble

Proof?

Didn't I beg you all fucking day to avoid that situation?

well in other games people have turned up at deadline to make sure a wagon gets organised. it didn't happen here. not many anyway. disappointing lack of effort from some.
but, scum did end up lynched because of it.

Tbf, without some clear method of categorizing and organizing it, how can you even tell how anyone is really voting? Why is TLK no longer doing VCs?

[DrewVa]

I disagreed with McQueen, that doesn’t mean I found his counter argument scummy. Once again. EFN’s posting style was completely different as town and scum - not even a single read and those two games were concurrent, so a pretty decent metacase, IMO.

So bad meta case at end of day in attempt to save lynched scum isn't enough reason to scumread someone?

You’re assuming he thought they were flipping scum? I’m not convinced of that. In Forgotten Hourglass, I was sure we were mislynching lhf lurker and I was wrong. I defended them, mistakenly believing they’d flip town. Is being wrong necessarily scummy?

[DrewVa]

"oh shit i like profiis claim, im gonna vote EFN now"
"yeah i can go with EFN"
"alright yeah lets do EFN, 2 hours left"

and then you have a wagon

My vote was solely based on Alonzo’s metacase, so I can’t speak for anyone’s vote other than ours. At any rate, they flipped scum, so I don’t understand why you’re even making such an issue of this? If it had resulted in a mislynch, it’d be very different.

[DrewVa]

ya know what
if we're getting someone to do them ourselves anyway

@Boon, would you be able to host fake VCs for us in thread?

[DrewVa]

Question. Which head of DrewVa was the one bashing me for outing minor investigatives?

Why don’t you explain how it doesn’t help scum find targets? Especially, once they’ve gotten the loyal modifiers added to them?

It does create a target for scum, but that's a target that wouldn't have been a target before because scum would have no reason to kill that person. But even if they do get killed (unlikely because I'm sure we have protectives), town isn't worse off than they'd have been if the loyal never went to a good target.

I’m not opposed to anyone outting themselves but it should be their decision. Like if I was some weak investigative with a result I’d out, otherwise, I’d probably keep my mouth shut.

[DrewVa]

im not making an issue of anything, im responding to questions asked directly to me

Alright but some seem to be, which is odd, since we got a scumlynch.

[DrewVa]

I disagreed with McQueen, that doesn’t mean I found his counter argument scummy. Once again. EFN’s posting style was completely different as town and scum - not even a single read and those two games were concurrent, so a pretty decent metacase, IMO.

So bad meta case at end of day in attempt to save lynched scum isn't enough reason to scumread someone?

You’re assuming he thought they were flipping scum? I’m not convinced of that. In Forgotten Hourglass, I was sure we were mislynching lhf lurker and I was wrong. I defended them, mistakenly believing they’d flip town. Is being wrong necessarily scummy?

What? I'm assuming they both scum, so ofc Mc knew EFN was scum...

Your missing my point. I’m not necessarily convinced of that as opposed to him just being wrong about it. The example I gave was in wrongly opposing a lynch because I mistakenly thought it would flip town. I’m just asking how you are so sure, he wasn’t doing this? Why the only explanation has to be that he was knowingly defending his buddy? Maybe that is in fact the case and maybe it isn’t. I’m just not beyond convinced it is. He sounded sincere to me. I also take tone into account in making reads and he doesn’t sound tonally off to me.

I voted EFN because Alonzo’s type of metacase yeids better than average accuracy, from my experience but not everyone understands why his case was was compelling. I’ve conversely witnessed thoroughly shitty metacases that sounded totally convoluted.

A really good example of a shitty metacase, would be scum!Thor’s case on town!Gamma in YGM.

[DrewVa]

more info in the open is always a benefit to scum and town should only come forward if they have info with immediate value, not to try to coordinate future night actions openly in the presence of scum. setups are designed specifically to make this a poor strategy for town.
SS plan is anti town. he could be pushing this because he really believes it or it could be a scum agenda to expose town roles.
but anti town behaviour is always to more likely come from scum
dismissing anti town behaviour bc "they might be town" creates space for scum to get away with being scummy
i avoid doing it if possible
he is literally rolefishing and needs to stop, and deserves scrutiny for doing it

Yes I agree. I also wonder why he thought it at all relevant which of our heads was making that case. The argument is either valid or it’s not and I wasn’t “bashing” him, I was just agreeing with you that I didn’t view it as pro-town.

[DrewVa]

RCE I like as town, BEF is lean town. Elsa, TLK, and Thanos are all hard reads, some of which I don't feel particularly impartial toward -d

[DrewVa]

profii where are you on Ram rn? -d

[DrewVa]

@McQueen, can you please link the game where Flippy lurked as town? Thanks.

[DrewVa]

Activate: [Nero]

Activate: [RCE]

Activate: [Xtoxm]

[DrewVa]

Activate: [Stephen Colbert]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Day 2 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa)
Karmeleon

(expired on 2019-01-14 18:00:00) on January 14th, 2019.

VOTE: End the Day

Why?

We have no desire to prematurely end the day and Alonzo doesn’t get a vote, only Daveaz, Ram, us and Karm do.

[DrewVa]

prob u trolling

~Mx

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

prob u trolling

~Mx

Spoiler:

Wrong quote.

[DrewVa]

One day, you'll be able to tell when I'm shitposting and when I'm solving the game. Today Appearantly isn't that day,

does that imply you feel strongly that nev and max are town? -d

[DrewVa]

Had a productive talk with Nancy the other day. Liking Xtoxm for town after reviewing notes with her. She has a lot of doubts about S_S and McQueen but I'm still liking them for town, and she likes CD a lot more than me. She tends to get a lot more shook when one of our townreads gets scumread by one of our townreads. I generally don't get as worried about that but I am feeling pretty meh about some of my scumreads. If Nancy is right about CD town then I need to at some point figure out how to read Elsa this game, deal with the wifom around TLK, and decide whether there's a chance I was wrong about Karmy yesterday. None of which I want to do, so I haven't really been in a big rush to move our vote off Ram. Not really opposed to a Theta lynch today but Nancy isn't really excited for it. She really didn't like N&M's flip on us but I'm still trying to decide whether that's enough to earn a vote for today over Ram/Theta. We still have 8 days but I feel like the discussion right now isn't really being super productive and I know that's partly people like me that are just now coming off the holidays. If anyone has a really good reason to do Theta over Ram I'm open to arguments there but I still feel like I'm pretty OK with Ram for today even though Nancy isn't like super into it iirc. Also if anyone has ever figured out a useful metric for reading Elsa that would be really helpful -D

[DrewVa]

@McQueen, can you please link the game where Flippy lurked as town? Thanks.

Here you go.

@McQueen, can you please link the game where Flippy lurked as town? Thanks.

He's referring to the game I linked.

So far
bulba: is a little suspect to me
vorkuta: is also slightly suspect but I feel like that could be a miss read
Tag: hasn’t said enough for me to really gain an opinion on them so by them just sitting idle could be scum could be busy
Flicker: I’m getting townie vibes from
same for: muh, Alanzo
And as for flavor he has scum written all over him ~ Flippy

If this is the same towngame that Alonzo linked, why did you think that at all similar to THIS game. As the quote shows, he actually made reads in that game.

[DrewVa]

looks like ram has a serious wagon
i think him being the final vote on tlk for eod vote is town indicative
being happy to die is town behaviour
if the argument is that theyre both scum i find it unlikely he risks killing tlk d1
id also say tlk is the better vote in that case
i also thought his sarcastic confession today was mildy towny

Yeah, I ‘m going to unvote him for now. DVa will have to counter this.

[DrewVa]

Mcqueen I have a few issues with your responses that I will pull up soon. But before I do - could you please talk about your read progression on my slot and Xtoxm?

~ C

Your slot is easy. I’ve disagreed heavily with some of your theories/reads, but I’ve seen you as pretty town. Your push on me is understandable, yet way off.

As for Xtoxm, I had a slight townread on him most of Day 1. Call me wrong for it all you want, but I didn’t like the fact that he was never open to using his Day End ability. It’s not that I needed him to end the day 24h early, but I figured at some point there would at least be some vocal consideration on his end about using the ability, and even that never surfaced. To reiterate, as one of my townreads (you) and after my other scumreads had fallen apart, I sheeped your vote on him late Day 1. I’m not arguing that my vote was good, ane Xtoxm can scumread me for it all he wants. I decided to reevaluate his slot on this premise, however, and came to the conclusion he was town.

Wrt to the post that DVa made, I am not currently scumreading you. I hard townread you for most of D1 and I particularly liked your rebuttal of Nev’s highly suspicious vote on us. I have doubts because you saw Flippy’s play in that towngame as similar to THIS one and insisted he was a bad wagon. So I have questions.

I am the most suspicious of N & M and SS.

@Nev and Max, very important question. Which head is Formerfish? Please don’t disregard this question. Thanks.

[DrewVa]

Had a productive talk with Nancy the other day. Liking Xtoxm for town after reviewing notes with her. She has a lot of doubts about S_S and McQueen but I'm still liking them for town, and she likes CD a lot more than me. She tends to get a lot more shook when one of our townreads gets scumread by one of our townreads. I generally don't get as worried about that but I am feeling pretty meh about some of my scumreads. If Nancy is right about CD town then I need to at some point figure out how to read Elsa this game, deal with the wifom around TLK, and decide whether there's a chance I was wrong about Karmy yesterday. None of which I want to do, so I haven't really been in a big rush to move our vote off Ram. Not really opposed to a Theta lynch today but Nancy isn't really excited for it. She really didn't like N&M's flip on us but I'm still trying to decide whether that's enough to earn a vote for today over Ram/Theta. We still have 8 days but I feel like the discussion right now isn't really being super productive and I know that's partly people like me that are just now coming off the holidays. If anyone has a really good reason to do Theta over Ram I'm open to arguments there but I still feel like I'm pretty OK with Ram for today even though Nancy isn't like super into it iirc. Also if anyone has ever figured out a useful metric for reading Elsa that would be really helpful -D

DVa, at this point, I’d bet money on Cheeky being town, here. You can’t ignore VCA and I’ve been mindmelding a lot with her today. Also knowing the difference between Performer ‘s scum and town games, helped clarify things a lot. So, if we’re still alive on D3, I will probably be doubling down on that read.

[DrewVa]

@Nev and Max, very important question. Which head is Formerfish? Please don’t disregard this question. Thanks.

How did this just become an important issue on page 147??

Why is sooo important now?

FF was part of a scum hydra in DnD mafia.

[DrewVa]

When was this? recent?

Not too long agao. It ended a few weeks before the holidays, I think, before YGM iirc?

[DrewVa]

And how would it be relevant to one head not the other?

And why cant you tell the difference here?

I want to check Ff scum!hydra posts with whichever head Ff is and that’s the only game I’ve played with Ff. If I see any parallels, then I will iso him in a town game for comparison. If Ff head is completely different here, than in that game, I’ll just assume that my hunch may be incorrect.

[DrewVa]

Not super recent.
Why are you asking this now DrewVa?

I just want to compare and contrast Ff head play, in both games.

[DrewVa]

Not super recent.
Why are you asking this now DrewVa?

Seems like DrewVa is trying to dismantle the wagon on Ram. Shift focus elsewhere. What I would like to know is, why?

I am not opposed to the Ram wagon and I told DVa, she can revote him but Xtoxm made a good point and I can’t ignore that.

Our vote is currently on Theta. I want to be confident with our vote - as much as possible anyhow. Do you really have a problem with that?

[DrewVa]

Not super recent.
Why are you asking this now DrewVa?

Seems like DrewVa is trying to dismantle the wagon on Ram. Shift focus elsewhere. What I would like to know is, why?

looks like ram has a serious wagon
i think him being the final vote on tlk for eod vote is town indicative
being happy to die is town behaviour
if the argument is that theyre both scum i find it unlikely he risks killing tlk d1
id also say tlk is the better vote in that case
i also thought his sarcastic confession today was mildy towny

@BEF

[DrewVa]

Hopefully Elsa or UL/Kokichi.

I thought Kokichi’s re-entrance in the thread was townie. He made it a point of stating that it was Hebi that voted us, so he isn’t sr us and I think that scum!Kokichi would not hesitate to have jumped on our wagon. So, I’m not currently interested in voting there.

Can you explain the case on Elsa again? Neither DVa or myself have a clue what to make of his recent posting.

[DrewVa]

Do you get much success from that process? I don't have the time (read: attention span) to read old games I wasn't involved in

I understand. Getting any metaread from a game you weren’t involved in, is very different than obtaining meta based on playing in said game and I was in that game - hydraing with MathBlade.

[DrewVa]

FF be Nev here, as I said, not sure about max, but I think it's someone from the last boony game

Thanks, that’s very helpful.

[DrewVa]

Don't you think it's better to wait for Theta's replacement before lynching that slot?

That’s what I told her, that slot is being replaced. It’s just a temp vote anyway.

Not being really clear on who is voting whom, is making voting actually more difficult than usual.

I just hope something happens, similar to D1, that helps point us in the right direction.

[DrewVa]

Not super recent.
Why are you asking this now DrewVa?

I just want to compare and contrast Ff head play, in both games.

What triggered that desire?

I’m not a fan of their play and Nev head’s weird vote on us, made me wonder about that game.

[DrewVa]

What you guys think about using DrewVa's gifted vig shot on Elsa? I'd rather get rid of it early and avoid vig shenanigans later on

Are you suggesting that we lynch the person that DVA gave her vig shot too?

Where do you all think other wagons are forming?

Mcqueen is also a good vote.

I didn’t say who we gave our vig shot to but it wasn’t Elsa.

[DrewVa]

What you guys think about using DrewVa's gifted vig shot on Elsa? I'd rather get rid of it early and avoid vig shenanigans later on

Are you suggesting that we lynch the person that DVA gave her vig shot too?

Where do you all think other wagons are forming?

Mcqueen is also a good vote.

Nah, I suggest to lynch you

Nero is blatantly obvtown here.

[DrewVa]

I think that if Elsa is still claiming Miller, we should lynch him. Or Ramcius hammers me - that works.

Why is McQueen scummy? I have some weird vibes too but I'd have to iso him to get a good read.

I thought I volunteered like a bigillion times to hammer you at this point.

Day 1 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]
Theta Alpine[3]: - Almost Chara [12/27, 14:50], Elsa Jay [12/28, 17:41], The Last Knight [12/28, 17:35]
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - Ultimate Liars [12/15, 22:02], BrightEyedFish [12/28, 00:23]
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald [12/19, 12:37], Nero Cain [12/27, 14:52]
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma [12/20, 17:19],
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max [12/16, 16:58]
RCEnigma [1]: - Theta Alpine [12/18, 07:59]
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii [12/28, 17:01]

Not Voting [1]: Emperor flippyNips

Elsa, why was your vote on Theta yesterday, instead of TLK?

[DrewVa]

What you guys think about using DrewVa's gifted vig shot on Elsa? I'd rather get rid of it early and avoid vig shenanigans later on

Are you suggesting that we lynch the person that DVA gave her vig shot too?

Where do you all think other wagons are forming?

Mcqueen is also a good vote.

Nah, I suggest to lynch you

Nero is blatantly obvtown here.

I agree, but I can't help myself, when he provokes me like that

How did he provoke you?

[DrewVa]

So Una, BEF is your top scumread because of the "slip" argument? He's not just a "healthy discussing environment" lynch for you? -D

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Well I have no idea when the deadline is, so that's good. Maybe.

Day 2 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa)
Karmeleon

(expired on 2019-01-14 18:00:00) on January 14th, 2019.