BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[Ramcius]

so it started...

A50, are you scum? Tell me, so i can ignore you for the rest of the game

@Mod does sk counts as multiball?


SK does not count as Multiball.

[Ramcius]

@Mod, is troll, an actual roll in this game?

Spoiler:

Not a serious question, or is it?

i'm pretty sure it's a role in this game and it belongs to host

[Ramcius]

*No Multitasking scum, so if a tracker sees someone visit 2 places, they ain't scum.

What WOULD they get that result from?
And I think that just means they’re not multitasking sans modifier

bus driver is a thing

[Ramcius]

*No Multitasking scum, so if a tracker sees someone visit 2 places, they ain't scum.

What WOULD they get that result from?
And I think that just means they’re not multitasking sans modifier

bus driver is a thing

Shouldn’t be
Bus Driver is explicitly non-normal

indeed, only now i noticed that we got list of potential roles in this game

[Ramcius]

so it started...

A50, are you scum? Tell me, so i can ignore you for the rest of the game

@Mod does sk counts as multiball?


SK does not count as Multiball.

he's scum, but i'm town and he promised to help me this game. so you can listen to him.
it's certainly better than listening to me!
bye for now! i have things to do.

fishy is probably town for that last post, too. at least enough to say so early game.
~Chara

it's not how it works, but ok, i will ignore your slot from now

[Ramcius]

How did you guys manage to add seven pages while I was asleep without saying anything useful.

making useless posts like yours, i guess

*No Multitasking scum, so if a tracker sees someone visit 2 places, they ain't scum.

What WOULD they get that result from?
And I think that just means they’re not multitasking sans modifier

bus driver is a thing

How would a bus driver make someone show up as going to 2 places? Why are you answering for Elsa?

See, i told you it's not a place for you, guys, you don't even know how basic roles, such as bus driver works...

And for second part, isn't it obvious? Elsa is my scumbuddy

God, why i have deal with such people every time

[Ramcius]

See, i told you it's not a place for you, guys, you don't even know how basic roles, such as bus driver works...

Explain to us how a bus driver would allow someone followed to show up as visiting 2 places. Please. Then you can continue to be condescending.

I can't explain something I never said, but I'll give you a hint - what will happen, if tracker will target bus driver?

[Ramcius]

See, i told you it's not a place for you, guys, you don't even know how basic roles, such as bus driver works...

Explain to us how a bus driver would allow someone followed to show up as visiting 2 places. Please. Then you can continue to be condescending.

I can't explain something I never said, but I'll give you a hint - what will happen, if tracker will target bus driver?

I looked at the wiki for BD again, you're right, I was thinking of a redirector. Why do you have to be such a dick about things? Are you one of the people we exposed as a catfish?

At least i don't use ad hominem

[Ramcius]

A50, are you scum? Tell me, so i can ignore you for the rest of the game

There are quite a few fundamental errors in this message:

1- Do you expect Scum to answer this truthfully?
2- If I said yes, would you believe me?
3- If I said no, does it clear me?
5- Why would you want to ignore me rather than lynch me if I was scum?
6- You can't even ignore me. I'm the loudest voice in your head, and you know it.
7- There's too many men, too many people making too many problems.
8- What's the colour of money? (Don't tell me that you think it's green. Me? I know it's red.)
9- I bet you didn't even notice there was no #4

i will answer 5 - considering how "well" it went last 2 times i tried, i rather not try to lynch scum you and save my time and sanity for finding your buddies. Also, laughing in dead thread is much more enjoyable than lynching scum

as for 6th, other voices asked to tell you that you are wrong and they are right

[Ramcius]

bus driver is a thing

Oh, PLEASE! Busdriver isn't even a NORMAL role and has never been!!

You overthinking how much research i put in this game and what is and isn't considered normal

[Ramcius]

Leave the cheeky one alone. Consume the fish.

i think we should declare democracy, so monarch must go

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

guess i have to take the lead to bring democracy to this place

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.

[Ramcius]

I'm thinking, should i scumread Nero for a reaction test?

[Ramcius]

I don't expect you to ever town read me.

I will, if you'll give me good enough reason to do it

[Ramcius]

also, i did townread you in Fallout

[Ramcius]

I'm thinking, should i scumread Nero for a reaction test?

Um? Why would you ask?

~ C

I knew i should've put something at the end to indicate that it was a joke

[Ramcius]

Jokes are antitown -Nero 2018

are you saying he's wrong?

[Ramcius]

Also intent to end the day around page 30 so I can hopefully catch up to speed

are you intend to be helpful in finding scum too? Or you just plan help them instead by ending day on page 30?

[Ramcius]

He's doing better then the other AFK crew that can end the day. Don't grill him for wanting the game to go forward.

oh, i won't, once we agree to your lynch

but as we are now, we have no consensus on lynch, we barely have discussion and your friend here is trying end day without making any effort to find scum, so I feel like I have every right to grill him for it

[Ramcius]

Also intent to end the day around page 30 so I can hopefully catch up to speed

are you intend to be helpful in finding scum too? Or you just plan help them instead by ending day on page 30?

Eventually yes. I'm spread to thin between games/modding RN, I shoulda stuck to my original plan of joining as a sub in this one.

Consider me on unofficial VLA till things calm down a bit.

Why is Elsa scum?

i didn't said Elsa is scum

[Ramcius]

yes, I have extensive list of people I prefer dead, Elsa is one of them

[Ramcius]

Why did no one sheep me on my Almost Chara vote???!

how do you know that? Voting is anonymous

[Ramcius]

only to the blind

can I ask you to share votes from everyone confessional threads? Apparently you have access to it, while i don't

yes, I have extensive list of people I prefer dead, Elsa is one of them

How is this any better then me cheering for the fish's demise? Oh right, it's not.

Listen, I know I'm not having a grand track record in mafia. I'll probably be lynched later, so answer me this:

What do you even get if you lynch me now? What information do you get if I die?

I will answer your question with a quote, you may recognise it

We got too many people. More then 23 including the Hydras. We gotta thin the herd.

[Ramcius]

Almost Chara (1) Alonzo
Elsa Jay (1) Rambolicious
Nev and Max (8) Elsa, Almost Chara, Emperor Flippynips, Profii, Gamma, DrewVa, McQueen, RCnigma, Xtosm,

I guess you are blind one here

[Ramcius]

Almost Chara (1) Alonzo
Elsa Jay (1) Rambolicious
Nev and Max (8) Elsa, Almost Chara, Emperor Flippynips, Profii, Gamma, DrewVa, McQueen, RCnigma, Xtosm,

I guess you are blind one here

How does the current vc make you feel?

I will answer, when you present to me an actual vc

[Ramcius]

Almost Chara is voting Alonzo now, thats all that changed

my vote still not on Elsa, so your vc isn't accurate

[Ramcius]

Almost Chara is voting Alonzo now, thats all that changed

my vote still not on Elsa, so your vc isn't accurate

It's like having two Gamma Emeralds around here...

still better that empty slot like yours

[Ramcius]

You'll get used to me

Oh, I'm used to empty slots in games, I don't even try to PL you like used to do with lurkers

[Ramcius]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Alonzo wanting to end the day early is a little suspect.

Why? Day has to end at some point and avoiding letting the game drag on is a good thing.

Well, 30 pages D1 in 23p game is a bit too short, don't you think so?

[Ramcius]

Boss reaction tests are never bulls hit Mon Frere, I just turned up the heat a little

care to share results of your "reaction test"?

[Ramcius]

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

[Ramcius]

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

[Ramcius]

that VC was obvious joke, but even then i said it was wrong, so one would expect people not to take it serious. Thus it makes me wonder, do scum try mud waters with it or people just don't actually read this thread

[Ramcius]

Jut a reminder to read thread, folks, - Boon said votes will come with timestamps

Also, we have a whole week till Christmas, why panic now?

[Ramcius]

Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.

Other townie slots:

I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.

Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.

what is your read on Elsa?

[Ramcius]

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

[Ramcius]

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

I don't like it, that doesn't necessarily mean scummy. Not everything you disagree with is scummy.

I don't say it's scummy, I don't see town motivation behind Elsa's actions

who you want lynch today and why?

[Ramcius]

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

You still seem to not like my style this game. Shame.

I only seem to "hinder" because half the people aren't here and I like to talk.

Seem? You were throwing your "eat fish" schtick every time someone mentioned lynch/scumread on someone, you want end day, yet you still to tell us who you want to lynch ("fool" isn't in this game), i can understand your "everyone is scum" approach, but you not doing anything to sort people out. Also lovely change on Alonzo, first you defend him, when i called out for wanting end day early, now you going after him

[Ramcius]

I don't really remember a time where I defended him. Point me to that post?

sure, but it's funny how you picked least relevant thing from what i have listed

He's doing better then the other AFK crew that can end the day. Don't grill him for wanting the game to go forward.

[Ramcius]

Thank you for nicely posting the correct point. I'll note that down for later use that you are helpful, so thanks a bunch.

I guess that is defending if you look at it a different way. I guess I should I worded it differently, since I mean't I agreed with the action to help move the gamestate forward.

It doesn't help to move gamestate, it distracts us from scumhunting into pointless arguments about ending day early

[Ramcius]

Thank you for nicely posting the correct point. I'll note that down for later use that you are helpful, so thanks a bunch.

I guess that is defending if you look at it a different way. I guess I should I worded it differently, since I mean't I agreed with the action to help move the gamestate forward.

It doesn't help to move gamestate, it distracts us from scumhunting into pointless arguments about ending day early

It's only a pointless argument if you keep arguing about it. which we stopped doing. You're bringing it back up, which in turn distracts the game.

What's done is done and he voted to end the day. Isn't that enough for you?

I'm trying to lynch my strongest scumread, please tell me how that's a bad thing and isn't progressing the game?

[Ramcius]

It is when I'm a townie, which means by default you are either scum going for a mislynch on someone who seems easy to kill or a townie who doesn't have their priorities straight.

I have my priorities straight - my goal is to lynch all scums. What is your priorities?

[Ramcius]

when is this "eventually"?

[Ramcius]

Lynching random person and having short D1 is bad

Lynching you will give info, you have quite a bit of interactions and it will reduce pool for scum to hide

[Ramcius]

I give up, see you, guys, D2

[Ramcius]

I didn't forfeit, just saving my sanity

[Ramcius]

I give up, see you, guys, D2

I didn't forfeit, just saving my sanity

Contridiction detected.

I gave up on this day phase, not forfeited to you

[Ramcius]

Karmeleon, are you trying get 2 MLs for your team? Get me first, then Elsa after my townflip?

I stopped, because I felt Elsa might be really bad town, I don't think scum would admit to not try to progress game and on top hindering our progress with 2 "for fun" scumreads on BEF and Alonso.

You ignoring whole that part, but pointing out pointless afterfight banter as a something susp is laughable

I still want Elsa dead, just to be sure, but scum lynch > PL.

VOTE: Karmeleon

[Ramcius]

I stopped, because I felt Elsa might be really bad town, I don't think scum would admit to not try to progress game and on top hindering our progress with 2 "for fun" scumreads on BEF and Alonso.

You truly underestimate my scum range if you think I couldn't do that as scum.

you see, there is difference between "might be town" and "is town"

also, I specifically said I want you dead, just to be sure

P. S. I don't care about feelings, you can ask Gamma or Nero, they have played with me quite a few times

[Ramcius]

I told you, my goal is to lynch scum. Making friends I leave for dead thread

[Ramcius]

You sound very fun at parties.

I think you took wrong turn somewhere, this isn't a party

I told you, my goal is to lynch scum.

That's only theory. In practice...

I'm your today's lynch and you try mock me like this as if I was town trying ML you?

[Ramcius]

I'm your today's lynch and you try mock me like this as if I was town trying ML you?

Parroting "my goal is to lynch scum" while not doing isn't town at all.

And what you doing is considered town?

[Ramcius]

I'm your today's lynch and you try mock me like this as if I was town trying ML you?

Parroting "my goal is to lynch scum" while not doing isn't town at all.

And what you doing is considered town?

No speech, just action

But discussion is a way to find scum. Are you afraid to slip more?

[Ramcius]

I'm your today's lynch and you try mock me like this as if I was town trying ML you?

Parroting "my goal is to lynch scum" while not doing isn't town at all.

And what you doing is considered town?

No speech, just action

But discussion is a way to find scum. Are you afraid to slip more?

Speech: "I'm going to find scum"

Action: Actively do the above

so, go, find scum, if you want, all I said was that my goal is to lynch them

[Ramcius]

and that's the problem.

Maybe try be more towny, if you actual town. It might solve your problem

[Ramcius]

Don't really understand what Karmeleon is seeing in Ramcius play or vice versa. The back and forth is a bunch of I'm acting town, no you're not I'm acting town. An explanation would help.

He ignored all my argument with Elsa and quoted pointless banter after I felt that Elsa might be town. What pinged me was how he managed to see SvS there and why he voted me, when Elsa is way easier to push. Now he is indirectly telling me that he isn't scum. I guess that sums it up

[Ramcius]

VOTE: The Last Knight

Why TLK over Ramicius?

profii voted TLK and I want an actual wagon going rather than multiple vanity wagons by the end of the day.

I could do TLK, I just think Ram is scummier.

Am I scumiest person in game?

[Ramcius]

Yeah I’m feeling the Ram vote
VOTE: Ramcius

That's an interesting vote, coming from someone, who played quite a few games with me. Want to share reason for it?

[Ramcius]

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

[Ramcius]

Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?

[Ramcius]

Yeah I’m feeling the Ram vote
VOTE: Ramcius

That's an interesting vote, coming from someone, who played quite a few games with me. Want to share reason for it?

You know I’m hit-or-miss at reading you anyway
As for why, I just don’t like the way you’re pushing things, I get the sense you have an agenda

You mean I'm pushing people differently than in our past games?

[Ramcius]

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

Policy lynching?

But I don’t see why Karmelon is scum. I think he’s blatantly obvtown from what I’m seeing so far.

Elsa was PL, my bad on Karm, for some reason i thought he said me and Elsa was SvS and it was main reason to suspect him

[Ramcius]

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

[Ramcius]

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

He already voted to end day, so he have no more power

Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon

[Ramcius]

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

He already voted to end day, so he have no more power

Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon

I can drive poor Boon to drink by once again, changing my vote?

Nah, keep it, i like to see who comes along on my wagon

[Ramcius]

Yeah I’m feeling the Ram vote
VOTE: Ramcius

That's an interesting vote, coming from someone, who played quite a few games with me. Want to share reason for it?

You know I’m hit-or-miss at reading you anyway
As for why, I just don’t like the way you’re pushing things, I get the sense you have an agenda

You mean I'm pushing people differently than in our past games?

Idk
Why the massive meta appeal?

Just trying decide, if I want scumread you or not.

Btw, what changed in year? I remember you wanted play with me in GiF's Upick, but now I feel like you was ignoring me

[Ramcius]

Yeah I’m feeling the Ram vote
VOTE: Ramcius

That's an interesting vote, coming from someone, who played quite a few games with me. Want to share reason for it?

You know I’m hit-or-miss at reading you anyway
As for why, I just don’t like the way you’re pushing things, I get the sense you have an agenda

You mean I'm pushing people differently than in our past games?

Idk
Why the massive meta appeal?

Just trying decide, if I want scumread you or not.

Btw, what changed in year? I remember you wanted play with me in GiF's Upick, but now I feel like you was ignoring me

A year ago I still thought I could read you
RFB Rematch changed that

What RFB Rematch?

[Ramcius]

RFB rematch was the cowboy bebop themed game

How does that makes sense, when RFB was almost 2 years ago, way before Upick?

[Ramcius]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

We don't need majority, so we have to vote no lynch to have no lynch

[Ramcius]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

We don't need majority, so we have to vote no lynch to have no lynch

Have you ever played on MU? I once got mislynched in a last second rand right before deadline, with just 3 votes.

I tried, 70 pages to read in less than 24h (36/18 17p game), replaced out and never looked back

[Ramcius]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

We don't need majority, so we have to vote no lynch to have no lynch

Have you ever played on MU? I once got mislynched in a last second rand right before deadline, with just 3 votes.

I tried, 70 pages to read in less than 24h (36/18 17p game), replaced out and never looked back

Their 12/12 beats that. I slept through the whole thing - made a single one vote post on D3 and promptly got shot.

well, some people are real masochists

[Ramcius]

I just want to point out that you're talking to the person who told me to put you on the counterwagon, while I have said nothing about you other than defending your own right to a public vote.

Have any other reason to read me scum?

It was so tempting to make joke, but I didn't said I scumread you, I said dislike, but it comes mostly from your early interactions

[Ramcius]

RFB rematch was the cowboy bebop themed game

How does that makes sense, when RFB was almost 2 years ago, way before Upick?

No...? RFB was 2017 iirc, and I think it was after

yes, it was 2017 and Upick was in February this year, so what's changed since Feb?

Also, i want to note that Gamma has no experience with scum me, so he misreading me in past was town me

[Ramcius]

GiFPick and RFB rematch startedthe same month

no, RFB was 2017 May i believe, Upick 2018 Feb

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.

Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.

Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.

Other townie slots:

I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.

Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.

what is your read on Elsa?

Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).

I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.

Yes, i don't like, when people make conclusion purely from speculations without any basis, why that's wrong?

What i contradict? That my playstyle wasn't my usual town at that time? I guess you know better my townplay than I

Cheeky wasn't talking to me, so i had to ask. But i was speaking with Elsa way before that, how that's a contradiction?

I don't even comment on RCE quote

I have no clue what are you talking, only PL i wanted was Elsa, not you, i never expressed intend to vote you, what PL we even talking? Also, have you seen me trying PL someone as a scum to say it was a lie?

Only thing that i said was that i dislike how people suddenly got interested in me, when your wagon grew, i. e. i'm becoming your counterwagon

[Ramcius]

already changed my vote dear. No point in vanity voting RCE and I guess Ram's scumflip makes RCE a green pm.

And what my townflip gives you?

[Ramcius]

Saying that it isn't my town meta, when i play differently from my normal town playstyle is a scumslip?

I dunno if i should laugh or cry

[Ramcius]

Saying that it isn't my town meta, when i play differently from my normal town playstyle is a scumslip?

I dunno if i should laugh or cry

You don’t think it’s a weird thing to say? You left out any sort of townie modifiers like “usual” or “typical”, which wouldn’t make it a slip. You straight up said, it wasn’t your towngame. Yep, looks like a slip to me.

Why weird? Gamma and Nero played quite a few games with me, so if i say "yeah, it's my town meta", i would be called out. Do you see me using usual or typical or similar words?

[Ramcius]

Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

RFB rematch was the cowboy bebop themed game

How does that makes sense, when RFB was almost 2 years ago, way before Upick?

No...? RFB was 2017 iirc, and I think it was after

yes, it was 2017 and Upick was in February this year, so what's changed since Feb?

Also, i want to note that Gamma has no experience with scum me, so he misreading me in past was town me

Wrong UPick then

But i wasn't in any other Upick. You are weird here and your accusation stinks, when you claim you don't think you can read me and you never saw my scumplay

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.

Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.

Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.

Other townie slots:

I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.

Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.

what is your read on Elsa?

Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).

I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.

Yes, i don't like, when people make conclusion purely from speculations without any basis, why that's wrong?

What i contradict? That my playstyle wasn't my usual town at that time? I guess you know better my townplay than I

Cheeky wasn't talking to me, so i had to ask. But i was speaking with Elsa way before that, how that's a contradiction?

I don't even comment on RCE quote

I have no clue what are you talking, only PL i wanted was Elsa, not you, i never expressed intend to vote you, what PL we even talking? Also, have you seen me trying PL someone as a scum to say it was a lie?

Only thing that i said was that i dislike how people suddenly got interested in me, when your wagon grew, i. e. i'm becoming your counterwagon

The contradiction I'm pointing out is this: you told someone to up front ask you if they have a problem with you and then proceeded to ask someone what they thought of someone else. Asking someone how they read someone else is just how the game is played. But if telling someone not to ask others about oneself isn't weird enough, going back on that directive by doing exactly that is pretty suspect.

already changed my vote dear. No point in vanity voting RCE and I guess Ram's scumflip makes RCE a green pm.

And what my townflip gives you?

And this just seems desperate to me.

I will point this one more time - I talked to Elsa before asking others, Cheeky ignored me.

Only one desperate is you, I'm not voting you (yet), nor trying to push for your lynch, just all this bs builds my frustration

[Ramcius]

How is wanting Elsa dead alignment indicative?

Its what we call a "dick move" around here to kill the town clown.

We call getting rid of dead weight here and trying to win actual game

[Ramcius]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

[Ramcius]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

So my being convinced you’re probably scum here, defacto makes me scum.

Do you understand what OMGUS means?

I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it

[Ramcius]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

"broken record act"? Could you explain that a little more?

~A

They repeat same arguments over and over again, despite fact that i disproved them

[Ramcius]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

So my being convinced you’re probably scum here, defacto makes me scum.

Do you understand what OMGUS means?

I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it

So, if I agree with someone, that makes us “buddies”? I have no idea what TLK is but yeah, I did think his reasoning wrt your posts made sense.

Okay, what are your arguments contradicting his?

Do i really have to repeat everything i posted in response to him? Is this your admit that you haven't read my response s and pursue me without reading my defence?

[Ramcius]

i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old

So my being convinced you’re probably scum here, defacto makes me scum.

Do you understand what OMGUS means?

I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it

So, if I agree with someone, that makes us “buddies”? I have no idea what TLK is but yeah, I did think his reasoning wrt your posts made sense.

Okay, what are your arguments contradicting his?

Do i really have to repeat everything i posted in response to him? Is this your admit that you haven't read my response s and pursue me without reading my defence?

I’m asking you a question. You should read it as, I’m asking you a question.

Considering i gave response to all his accusations, and to "contradiction" i gave answer twice, yours asking me again is strange, don't you think so?

If you have something else to ask, or my answer was clear enough, you can make summary and i try answer as best as i can to all your concerns

[Ramcius]

Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.

Well, I don't buy that anyone made a slip of that specific nature ("this isn't my towngame") as scum; if you can back that up it'll lend some amount of credibility but as far as my judgment of the legitimacy of the slip itself goes, it doesn't look like one. Also, this is a very weak push.

~A

DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"

[Ramcius]

How is wanting Elsa dead alignment indicative?

Its what we call a "dick move" around here to kill the town clown.

We call getting rid of dead weight here and trying to win actual game

He's calling me dead weight. He's adorable, but probably filled with rabies. We gotta get him checked up.

How else I should call people, who aren't helping me to win?

[Ramcius]

How do you know you aren't the dead weight here then?

Have you given your opinion on TLK by the way?

I think he's scum and his buddies DrewVa and Gamma are trying save his sorry ass, is that enough?

[Ramcius]

It would just make it easier for me, if you could summarize your basic points.

it would be easier to me, if you just find my answer to all TLK accusations, it's in one post

[Ramcius]

Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.

Well, I don't buy that anyone made a slip of that specific nature ("this isn't my towngame") as scum; if you can back that up it'll lend some amount of credibility but as far as my judgment of the legitimacy of the slip itself goes, it doesn't look like one. Also, this is a very weak push.

~A

DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"

And that doesn’t make any sense to you, why exactly?

i will answer this one - i didn't used "typical" or any other similar word, because Cheeky didn't used it in their question. Now you would say it doesn't make sense, but english isn't my first language, so when i have answer question, i look for what i was asked. I often forget some things like "the" and such, english grammar is a bit different from my native, so adding extra details, when they wasn't included in question simply doesn't come to my mind. Cheeky said towngame, so i say towngame, on top of that it's easier to understand each other, when you use same wording

[Ramcius]

Okay, fair enough. I didn’t take that into account. However, for native English speakers, what I said, has been demonstrated to be correct. more often than not.

I honestly don’t understand. either yours or Alonzo’s pushes this game. And you accusing Karmelon of scumslipping, when I didn’t believe he had. you’re agressive response to RCE from what read to me as an entirely NAI statement. But perhas, I misunderstood why your scumread on TLK would be affected by him being the counterwagon. It didn’t make any sense to me at the time but I should have asked you to explain your reasoning for it, rather then just assume.

I will say one last time - i didn't called TLK scum for counterwagon, i was asked about him, I said I disliked his early pushed and that I dislike how I become his counterwagon from nowhere, I didn't voted him either, so I appreciate, if people stop spreading this false info about me trying lynch TLK or calling him scum for being his counterwagon

Also, I have very aggressive playstyle and my comment to RCE was quite peaceful, Gamma and Nero can vouch that i can be really aggressive and pushy, that's NAI thing to me

So tell me, how you trust TLK so easily, when you were torn between voting him and me, also, I want remind that I literally told you to keep your vote on me, when you was considering jump on his wagon again

Lastly, your opinion on Gamma? He says he have no confidence in reading me anymore (never saw my scumplay), yet comes with really weak reason to vote me

[Ramcius]

Alonzo isn't town, but there's no reason to scumread him either

[Ramcius]

Okay, fair enough. I didn’t take that into account. However, for native English speakers, what I said, has been demonstrated to be correct. more often than not.

I honestly don’t understand. either yours or Alonzo’s pushes this game. And you accusing Karmelon of scumslipping, when I didn’t believe he had. you’re agressive response to RCE from what read to me as an entirely NAI statement. But perhas, I misunderstood why your scumread on TLK would be affected by him being the counterwagon. It didn’t make any sense to me at the time but I should have asked you to explain your reasoning for it, rather then just assume.

I will say one last time - i didn't called TLK scum for counterwagon, i was asked about him, I said I disliked his early pushed and that I dislike how I become his counterwagon from nowhere, I didn't voted him either, so I appreciate, if people stop spreading this false info about me trying lynch TLK or calling him scum for being his counterwagon

Also, I have very aggressive playstyle and my comment to RCE was quite peaceful, Gamma and Nero can vouch that i can be really aggressive and pushy, that's NAI thing to me

So tell me, how you trust TLK so easily, when you were torn between voting him and me, also, I want remind that I literally told you to keep your vote on me, when you was considering jump on his wagon again

Lastly, your opinion on Gamma? He says he have no confidence in reading me anymore (never saw my scumplay), yet comes with really weak reason to vote me

Spoiler:

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.

Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.

Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.

Other townie slots:

I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.

Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.

what is your read on Elsa?

Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).

I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.

Yes, i don't like, when people make conclusion purely from speculations without any basis, why that's wrong?

What i contradict? That my playstyle wasn't my usual town at that time? I guess you know better my townplay than I

Cheeky wasn't talking to me, so i had to ask. But i was speaking with Elsa way before that, how that's a contradiction?

I don't even comment on RCE quote

I have no clue what are you talking, only PL i wanted was Elsa, not you, i never expressed intend to vote you, what PL we even talking? Also, have you seen me trying PL someone as a scum to say it was a lie?

Only thing that i said was that i dislike how people suddenly got interested in me, when your wagon grew, i. e. i'm becoming your counterwagon

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

He already voted to end day, so he have no more power

Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon

I’m legit confused now. Either I am correctly reading you or we have a REAL misunderstanding in our communication styles?

And? I mean bolded part. TLK wagon came first, then people decided take stab at me, you think it's natural? TLK wasn't my top scumread, so I didn't jumped on him screaming "Scum!!!!"

If you have a reason to scumread Alonzo, please tell me, cause he's null to me

[Ramcius]

Alonzo isn't town, but there's no reason to scumread him either

That makes absolutely no sense.

Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.

We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.

i don't see any indication of town. he's either playing in a anti-town way or scum openly pushing a scum agenda

I recall a post by Boon saying this is singleball and that there’s no SK.

@Ramicius

I didn't said he's 3p, but that he didn't anything to earn townread/scumread, so he's null

[Ramcius]

Don't know if confessionals are quotable but I've been using mine to gather my thoughts and the lurkers was one of them. The chance scum is in there is pretty good but being so close to the holidays it's not going to be my day 1 push. After the holidays is another story. Ramcius is leaning town, I don't know how aggressive he is as scum though. Thanos is on the scummy side of null.

It's NAI, I can be aggressive as either alignment

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Gamma

There is one thing that i didn't revealed yet about his rambling - RFB Rematch. He was townreading me in that game, i still remember how Gork was asking him about it, when Gork was pushing for my lynch D2, so how Gamma decided he can't read me after a game, where he was correct on my slot all time? Especially, when that game wasn't something you should base your reads off. 32p very large game, I get pissed off mid D1 and I stopped reading thread after no one cared about my pushes, yet he think he can't read me anymore. But we are here, he votes me, says I have some secret agenda (guess i'm jester and want get lynched D1 with my pushes).

But you are free PLing some lurker, or Alonzo, or other troll, choice is yours

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Gamma

There is one thing that i didn't revealed yet about his rambling - RFB Rematch. He was townreading me in that game, i still remember how Gork was asking him about it, when Gork was pushing for my lynch D2, so how Gamma decided he can't read me after a game, where he was correct on my slot all time? Especially, when that game wasn't something you should base your reads off. 32p very large game, I get pissed off mid D1 and I stopped reading thread after no one cared about my pushes, yet he think he can't read me anymore. But we are here, he votes me, says I have some secret agenda (guess i'm jester and want get lynched D1 with my pushes).

But you are free PLing some lurker, or Alonzo, or other troll, choice is yours

we scum read gamma for the same reasons, yet you consider me a SR?

I will explain 1 more time, especially for you - I haven't seen anything from you to make an actual read, so you are null in my book

[Ramcius]

Do we get more A50 in here now?

[Ramcius]

Do we get more A50 in here now?

You want the short answer or the long answer?? Well, whatever.. I'll give you both..

Spoiler: Short Answer

No.

Spoiler: Long Answer

rude

[Ramcius]

Hm, we should have vote for end of day too and if we have let's say 2/3 of players to vote for it, we should end it.

VOTE: End day

[Ramcius]

Your about to be lynched, Kokichi.

you're not supposed to tell him that, he might start defend himself and we will need another target for lynch

[Ramcius]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

[Ramcius]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

This type of thinking rarely comes from town. You just are calling for out lynch, rather than address the concerns mentioned in my post.

You don’t even seem at all concerned if you mislynch. I OTOH, am actually trying to sort you but your refusal to respond to my concerns is troubling and you’re calling for my lynch instead of doing that is beyond scummy.

Contrast this with how Ram responded to my push on him earlier. He only though I might be scum, because he didn’t see me fhpov, trying to sort him. It was clearly a miscommunication in that case but Thanos OTOH, immediately leaps to that conclusion, when all I was trying to accomplish by expressing my concerns, was to obtain some sort of satisfactory response to them, which Thanos outright dismissed.

I still think that you are scum, simply I need Gamma's and TLK heads first

[Ramcius]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

This type of thinking rarely comes from town. You just are calling for out lynch, rather than address the concerns mentioned in my post.

You don’t even seem at all concerned if you mislynch. I OTOH, am actually trying to sort you but your refusal to respond to my concerns is troubling and you’re calling for my lynch instead of doing that is beyond scummy.

Contrast this with how Ram responded to my push on him earlier. He only though I might be scum, because he didn’t see me fhpov, trying to sort him. It was clearly a miscommunication in that case but Thanos OTOH, immediately leaps to that conclusion, when all I was trying to accomplish by expressing my concerns, was to obtain some sort of satisfactory response to them, which Thanos outright dismissed.

I still think that you are scum, simply I need Gamma's and TLK heads first

Why?

I’m not though. If I were scum here, I would have never unvoted you. Why would I, when your wagon is clearly viable? Scum usually only jumps off a wagon, when they perceive it as not viable. I still don’t townread you, for all of the i initial reasons I originally voted you but I liked your response to it. While your scumread on me is obviously incorrect, it doesn’t read scummy to me, if that makes any sense?

If either of Gamma or TLK flips town, I promise reconsider my read on you

[Ramcius]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

This type of thinking rarely comes from town. You just are calling for out lynch, rather than address the concerns mentioned in my post.

You don’t even seem at all concerned if you mislynch. I OTOH, am actually trying to sort you but your refusal to respond to my concerns is troubling and you’re calling for my lynch instead of doing that is beyond scummy.

Contrast this with how Ram responded to my push on him earlier. He only though I might be scum, because he didn’t see me fhpov, trying to sort him. It was clearly a miscommunication in that case but Thanos OTOH, immediately leaps to that conclusion, when all I was trying to accomplish by expressing my concerns, was to obtain some sort of satisfactory response to them, which Thanos outright dismissed.

I still think that you are scum, simply I need Gamma's and TLK heads first

Why?

I’m not though. If I were scum here, I would have never unvoted you. Why would I, when your wagon is clearly viable? Scum usually only jumps off a wagon, when they perceive it as not viable. I still don’t townread you, for all of the i initial reasons I originally voted you but I liked your response to it. While your scumread on me is obviously incorrect, it doesn’t read scummy to me, if that makes any sense?

If either of Gamma or TLK flips town, I promise reconsider my read on you

Fine but what does our slot have anything to do with either of them? Just because I’m townreading a slot you don’t, doesn’t make me linked with them. In fact, if you knew anything at all about my meta, you’d know that I never hard defend my buddies as scum. If a slot I’m hard defending ever flips scum, it’s A) I’m town and misread them. B) It’s multiball and I’m still clueless about their alignment. C) I’m actually a scum traitor and/or my survival in a game, literally depends on them endgaming iit.

Checkout Heroes Wanted, where I was groupscum or any of my towngames, if you don’t believe me. I never KNOWINGLY ever go to bat for scum, unless my life in a game depends on them surviving. Why? Because I obviously know that their hypothetical red flip damns me and I’d be following in their footsteps.

Other than the above reasons I mentioned, I only ever go out on a limb for townreads. I’m town here and not a scum traitor btw.

I suggest you to read game info, it's not multiball.

Your response looks like you know they'll flip red and you try to prepare for it. Anyways, we can continue this discussion and your meta, if i'm right and they both are red, ofc assuming we both still be alive by then

Btw, can you explain your townread on them?

[Ramcius]

You townread them, but can't give any argument why they are town?

[Ramcius]

let's not get off target and lynch Ram. Or Cheeky.

Are you that afraid of me?

[Ramcius]

Are you that afraid of me?

I lynch who I think is scum.

You're trying to lynch lurkers, so I don't believe you

[Ramcius]

Are you that afraid of me?

I lynch who I think is scum.

You're trying to lynch lurkers, so I don't believe you

you aren't a lurker bro. There's also like a ton of scum motivation in being a lurker and lurker scum is actually a pretty common thing so...

No, I'm not, but your other targets are

As if town never lurks. You just try to justify ML. Guess it's unavoidable anymore, welcome to my scumpool

[Ramcius]

Do I have to go and find games, were lurkers were town too?

Gamma, TLK, DrewVa

[Ramcius]

I will be more clear then - i don't like how I am your only scumread and your plan B is just to PL a lurker, when we have 64 pages. On top of that, you openly want end day and not to try find scum

[Ramcius]

you are? News to me.

I feel like you are just trying to say things to make me look scummy and hope they stick.

I don't have to, when you do it yourself. You want me lynched, yet you do nothing to get people on my wagon

And i'm not interested in your lynch, but if vig takes you out, i'd be grateful

[Ramcius]

Also why Emperors and UL? SS, Dave and Theta have similar amount of posts

[Ramcius]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

Why would I wait for scumbuddies to address each other?

[Ramcius]

His vote on me, whenIi become your counterwagon, it was really bad, really lazy

[Ramcius]

Also, just something I noticed, your vote still on me, so you think Gamma is town and i'm scum

[Ramcius]

Don't think Gamma is that bad as scum, you gotta come with something more concrete than that.

He isn't that bad as town, but I haven't seen him as scum for almost 2 year, so can't say much about it

[Ramcius]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

Yeah it’s suspicious. I think TLK may have freaked out about being suspected in association. Not sure why though because the last time I got that feeling, 1) the person was Town and 2) it was White Flag and this isn’t unless Boon doesn’t think that bears mentioning. So the logic is shaky to start with and the motive is not yet apparent.
As for my team preparing to sacrifice me lol no, if I was the fall guy I’d probably have more traction, and if it were normal voting mechanics I’d be lynched. For a solid example of a game where I was the designated bus go read Mini 1911. That was STRUCTURED.

It's pretty obvious that you aren't designated fall guy, you named it - no traction, but DrewVa and TLK looks like preparing WCS, if I get you lynched, so they won't be turbolynched after your red flip

Anyway, what's your opinion about TLK being so passive despite fact that he's leading wagon? He don't challenge people on his wagon, he don't try push me anymore, he don't try push you either

[Ramcius]

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you
...
It's pretty obvious that you aren't designated fall guy

Which is it Ramcius?

Both, you aren't designated fall guy, but if pressure on you becomes too strong, they are already preparing for your lynch instead of trying to save you.

So, how about you answer my question about TLK now?

[Ramcius]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

There’s no “team” involving us. We are still tr Gamma, so. get a freaking paranoia check.

Like scum admit they are team.

Did you managed to think any actual reason to TR him yet?

[Ramcius]

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you
...
It's pretty obvious that you aren't designated fall guy

Which is it Ramcius?

Both, you aren't designated fall guy, but if pressure on you becomes too strong, they are already preparing for your lynch instead of trying to save you.

So, how about you answer my question about TLK now?

Have you ever considered becoming an anchor for Fox news?

Not really, i would look bad on TV

[Ramcius]

Gamma or TLK?

I feel pretty good about Gamma rn. I’m not quite sure how to read TLK, given that he’s a forum newb. I tend to be leery in general of lynching the lhf D1, because more often than not, they wind up flipping town. Due to his lack of forum experience, I’m wondering if he’s just kind of awkward town. I obviously could be wrong here but I’ve mislynched more awkward players than him, who actually did have some forum experience but FL says he’s a forum newb but not a Mafia newb, so I really couldn’t tell you. Rn, I’m leaning to maybe vote flippy, since he hasn’t done anything so far.

Let's PL lurker, what a great idea

[Ramcius]

Gamma or TLK?

I feel pretty good about Gamma rn. I’m not quite sure how to read TLK, given that he’s a forum newb. I tend to be leery in general of lynching the lhf D1, because more often than not, they wind up flipping town. Due to his lack of forum experience, I’m wondering if he’s just kind of awkward town. I obviously could be wrong here but I’ve mislynched more awkward players than him, who actually did have some forum experience but FL says he’s a forum newb but not a Mafia newb, so I really couldn’t tell you. Rn, I’m leaning to maybe vote flippy, since he hasn’t done anything so far.

Let's PL lurker, what a great idea

Do you know what a PL even means? And I was only referring to our vote btw. Flippy hasn’t made a single game-reated post - unless of course, you qualify threatening to vote to end the day prematurely as “game related”. Not a single read, so I don’t see why that’s such a horrible vote.

Yes, I know what is PL - and lynching someone without any proof of guilty or actual scumread is a policy lynch. I tried lynch lurker plenty of times in past, most of times they turned to be just lazy town.

I'd much rather go after someone, who I believe is scum than take a shot in dark and hope for the best, then have another D1 without any real associations from lynch and busted EoD VC

[Ramcius]

You want me lynched, yet you do nothing to get people on my wagon

lets lynch in

2. Ultimate Liars (Kokichi /Hebichan)
8. Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer)
9. Theta Alpine
10. Elsa Jay
17. Ramcius
19. Emperor flippyNips
21. Emperors New Groove
22. RCEnigma

ok with any of the slots I listed earlier. Of those Ram is the only one with a wagon on him.

already changed my vote dear.

let's not get off target and lynch Ram

There's not really anything I can do besides advocate your lynch and call you scum. If I was a daycop I'd have targeted you a long time ok.

And i'm not interested in your lynch, but if vig takes you out, i'd be grateful

this comes from town never.

Also why Emperors and UL? SS, Dave and Theta have similar amount of posts

I mentioned Theta a few pages ago and just b/c I didn't remention her doesn't mean anything has changed. When you scum hunt (which you aren't doing btw) you have to make judgment calls based on content and/or meta. I just remember nodding along with SS and Dave isn't an easy read for me. I don't even know if I've played with scum him before but he just always seems so low impact and lurky. His dead null.

Judgement calls you say? "I can't read SS and Dave, but I don't want PL them with other lurkers", just perfect judgement call

I do more scumhunting than half of this game, so you can keep your opinion for yourself

And yes, i prefer 4th of my scumreads to be vigged, I have 3 other people I want lynch before I get to you as they will help me to sort out this game

P-edit: so you think there 1-2 scum in 6 lurkers? You saying it's right play to take 1/6 gamble to find scum in lurkers pool?

[Ramcius]

Where I said that you're voting lurker? You're advocating for lurker lynch, if you can't get me or Cheeky

[Ramcius]

I don't argue that there is scum in lurkers, all i'm saying it's low chance to hit scum in lurkers and that lynch won't be very helpful for us, not much associations from lurkers

Also, null can't be scum too, so not lynching null reads is strange to me

[Ramcius]

Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations

so why first one is better than second?

If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition

[Ramcius]

Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations

so why first one is better than second?

If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition

Why not lynch Nero lol

If you actually read thread, you'd know answer, Nero asked that at least twice

[Ramcius]

Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?

Just saw this post quoted by someone else

I specifically said I won’t lynch you today


Still sticking with that

well, you said you'd vote me, if nothing pops up

[Ramcius]

I changed my mind since then if you’re referring to my read list

I know, but that post you quoted was from back then

[Ramcius]

I did read and I didn’t see it.

He's saying that he wants to have most of his scum reads vigged. He's not really explaining why they should be vigged over lynched but "I want them vigged" is his explanation.

What are you saying about him with it, that he’s too focused on future problems than current ones?

I'm saying that he's not worrying about something that's staring him in the face.

I'm voting Ram. Sheep me tonight for a scum lynch.

Sheesh, when you gonna stop misrep me? I want all my scumreads dead, that's town wincon, but I prefer other scumreads lynched over you, cause they have associations between themselves, while you are lone scumread

[Ramcius]

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

[Ramcius]

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

oh no, I've committed the unforgivable sin of not remembering something on the internet.

Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations

so why first one is better than second?

If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition

Why not lynch Nero lol

If you actually read thread, you'd know answer, Nero asked that at least twice

I did read and I didn’t see it.

I mean you could have just explained it to Gamma but I guess since you're scum there's no need to be helpful.

Yes, I could, but he wasn't interested in answer

Also, your memory seems to have a lot of holes

[Ramcius]

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore? If you don’t think I hardtunnel as town, you don’t know jack about my meta.

I admit that I have no clue about your meta, also, I want to inform you that I use only something I witnessed myself. To answer second part, I have no reason to townread either of you and your "stop tunnel us, we don't vote you anymore" sounds really funny

[Ramcius]

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore? If you don’t think I hardtunnel as town, you don’t know jack about my meta.

I admit that I have no clue about your meta, also, I want to inform you that I use only something I witnessed myself. To answer second part, I have no reason to townread either of you and your "stop tunnel us, we don't vote you anymore" sounds really funny

What’s funny about it? Are you usually this bad at Mafia?

I can ask you same question. How you don't have scumreads at this point in the game?

[Ramcius]

What? Haven’t you been reading my posts? I’m voting CD for Performer’s blatant misrep and bs shade. So, yeah, they are my #1 scumread rn.

I do, but not that long ago you claimed you have no scumreads, and that one seems really weak one

[Ramcius]

What? Haven’t you been reading my posts? I’m voting CD for Performer’s blatant misrep and bs shade. So, yeah, they are my #1 scumread rn.

I do, but not that long ago you claimed you have no scumreads, and that one seems really weak one

What about it seems weak to you?

Performer mischaracterized our posts trying to figure out who we should vote for. You didn’t, because you criticized my possibly considering voting flippy.

But the most damning part, was when Performer - I’m stressing this, because it wouldn’t necessarily have been suspicious coming from Cheeky - called us “conniving” - implicitly implying he is familiar with my scumgame, eventhough he has never even once played with me as scum.

So, that was clearly bs shade on us.

Considering that people are openly calling me town and against my lynch, I doubt you can get me lynched, on top of that, no one is actually pushing me, Nero push isn't convincing at all

Hmmmmm, you try bring up your town meta to convince me despite fact that we never played in past, but it's damning that Performer says he knows your scum meta? You don't consider fact that Cheeky could tell him, or he might've done some research, that's 2 easy explanations that comes to my mind right ahead

[Ramcius]

My job isn't to convince you that you're scum but to convince others to vote you.

But if you can't convince the person what they're doing is wrong, how can they know for sure they're evil?

Shhh, don't crush his dreams

[Ramcius]

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

oh no, I've committed the unforgivable sin of not remembering something on the internet.

Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations

so why first one is better than second?

If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition

Why not lynch Nero lol

If you actually read thread, you'd know answer, Nero asked that at least twice

I did read and I didn’t see it.

I mean you could have just explained it to Gamma but I guess since you're scum there's no need to be helpful.

Yes, I could, but he wasn't interested in answer

Also, your memory seems to have a lot of holes

Did you think that cos I said “lol”
I actually cared a little, and if you thought I didn’t care why direct me to the answer?

I had to say something or you would just pushed me for ignoring your question

you said yourself that it was a rhetorical question

[Ramcius]

so, how it works with plurality?

[Ramcius]

Problem with anonymous voting is that we can't know, if our designated person will vote TLK. If they scum, they won't and force us to lynch them D2, so someone else will die instead to venge kill

[Ramcius]

Problem with anonymous voting is that we can't know, if our designated person will vote TLK. If they scum, they won't and force us to lynch them D2, so someone else will die instead to venge kill

i thought i read there will be a VC with vote totals

or did i imagine that when i was hallucinating?

~M

It will, after day ends. We tell someone to hammer TLK and to die to venge kill. If they scum, they won't and someone else dies to venge kill instead, cause we don't know, if they voted or not.

[Ramcius]

Problem with anonymous voting is that we can't know, if our designated person will vote TLK. If they scum, they won't and force us to lynch them D2, so someone else will die instead to venge kill

That's what the vigilante is for, obviously. If someone elsa dies to the supersaint, they get shot.

No, why vig someone we can lynch?

Vig shot should be used on someone we can't lynch easily and is unreadable

[Ramcius]

I blame Boon for this mess, can we lynch him and have Duck to take over?

[Ramcius]

Can we vig FL then?

[Ramcius]

I did some thinking and what chances that this super saint claim is a scum gambit? Gamma's vote on me makes no sense, if TLK is town. Why would scum join counterwagon, if wagon on town is already in motion? And vote from town Gamma is weird too, he seen me doing similar pushes in past, so why my push on Karm affected him so much that he decided to stop being lazy and vote me like that?

[Ramcius]

But you don't see real issue - we don't have time. D1 ends in couple days, I really doubt we can get all this in motion with people lurking and being v/la. Also we need several scummy people to vote TLK for safety

[Ramcius]

also, i don't mind to take hammer. If i'm right, nothing gonna happen to me, if i'm wrong, then my reads are mess and i'd rather watch game from dead thread - TLK town means Gamma and DrewVa likely to be town too, scum have not much reason to interfere in town v town wagon situation as they did.

[Ramcius]

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

I hate to play town in general and this game isn't that enjoyable either

[Ramcius]

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

I hate to play town in general and this game isn't that enjoyable either

Well, I like being town here, because Boon loves us and gave us a really fun role.

is that VT soft?

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

I hate to play town in general and this game isn't that enjoyable either

Well, I like being town here, because Boon loves us and gave us a really fun role.

is that VT soft?

You don’t believe Boon really really loves us?

I don't believe you would tell the truth about your role

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

I hate to play town in general and this game isn't that enjoyable either

Well, I like being town here, because Boon loves us and gave us a really fun role.

is that VT soft?

You don’t believe Boon really really loves us?

I don't believe you would tell the truth about your role

Well, we don’t want to die tonight, so probably not.

I doubt vig would shoot you anyway

[Ramcius]

What makes you think I was referring to the vig?

I know what you were referring, but why should I trust you?

[Ramcius]

Hmmmmm, you try bring up your town meta to convince me despite fact that we never played in past, but it's damning that Performer says he knows your scum meta? You don't consider fact that Cheeky could tell him, or he might've done some research, that's 2 easy explanations that comes to my mind right ahead

Ramcius are you an alt of someone??...

~ P

I'm alt of my own, I haven't reached the point, where I have to make an alt to hide my meta

[Ramcius]

I agree with this. Your infatuation with lynching lurkers on day 1 is slightly bothersome.

I've yet to even vote for a lurker. (all my votes have been on RCE, Cheeky or Ram. Currently, I'm not voting anyone b/c I thought we were going to do the plan were we use TLK as a double lynch.) I'm just mature enough of a player to know that lurking is a good place for scum to hide out and of our lurkers, several of their scumgames/meta involve being a lurksack. Lurkers suck and I don't like them. Why do I have to scum read active players?

I think Ram is just scum trying t make me look bad by claiming that I'm exclusively hunting lurkers. I also think that his "don't lynch in the lurkers!" means he has a buddy or two there.

I agree with you, lurkers suck, but after trying push them, most of them turned out to be lazy town in past my past games

Also, I find your idea that I would protect my scumbuddies in lurkers entertaining, especially since we were scumbuddies in Fallout and I didn't hesitated lynch whole my team, cause I thought it was best way for win that game. And pointing attention on town lurker instead of scumbuddy lurker isn't that hard and would be easy enough ML without big consequences next day

[Ramcius]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76181

this game? I barely remember anything about it. Who was the scum that was lurking?

Does answer to this question is "you"?

[Ramcius]

I highly doubt I was lurking and if I was why do you even think I'm scum this game then?

That was a joke, no one on our team was lurking

It's rather scumlean that scumread, you just go after easy targets - me, Cheeky, lurkers, which pings me

[Ramcius]

Something _ smart

Are we lynching someone else with a saint claim?

TLK is supersaint and no one was planning lynch something smart

[Ramcius]

If cheeky flips scum this games gonna be super duper easy...

Who are their buddies then?

[Ramcius]

It would be really helpful to know who is voting, Flippy, Profil and Cheeky. But Nero is a terrible vote and he seems locked into that vote and ignoring other reads on that slot.

I have no interest in any of these, so I'm not voting there

[Ramcius]

ON THE RECORD WHO IS HARDCLAIMING VIG HERE?

OR IS IT ALL JUST POSING?

Elsa said his rc has info about some specific vig role or something

[Ramcius]

ON THE RECORD WHO IS HARDCLAIMING VIG HERE?

OR IS IT ALL JUST POSING?

WHY DO YOU CARE?

Cos too much game is being buried beneath quality posting like yours gamma....

Isn't that what scums are supposed to do?

[Ramcius]

b/c I'm pushing my scumread. I'm pretty sure that's my job as town. I just think his "don't lurker hunt!" is scummy. I think his whole thing about not enjoying this game and all that jazz is ATe. His scumreads are 3 people that scumread him and the claimed SS-wich is prob town. I mean, yuck.

Yes, it's AtE, that's why I get frustrated pretty much in every game, where I'm town, you saw me going "f you all" twice D1 - RFB Rematch and CotG. Yes, lynching random lurker and being sorry next day with "shit happens, chances were low anyway" excuses after ML is easy escape for scum, busted VC - we just lynched lurker, so no one on their wagon can be really blamed, no associations either, cuz lurker. Just perfect play.

[Ramcius]

you keep ignoring the fact that I haven't even voted a lurker. And there's a healthy wagon on a lurker that might be scum anyways.

You brought that idea several times, so don't be dodgy now. It doesn't matter, who you voting, only final vote is that matters. Also, I'm pretty sure you'd voted a lurker, if you had enough support

Better tell me, why your scumreads so shallow? You jumped on my wagon, when it was full in motion, you started actually push me, when people lost interest in it. Cheeky was scummy af and another easy non-commital push. I don't even start about lurkers again.

[Ramcius]

another easy non-commital push.

lol no, just, no

Is that all you can say?

[Ramcius]

not really, I just don't feel like engaging with scum.

Oh, when I started asking hard question, you backing out?

[Ramcius]

Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

not really, I just don't feel like engaging with scum.

Oh, when I started asking hard question, you backing out?

obviously.

I mean, your accusation that you and Cheeky have both been "shallow non-commital" pushes isn't anything approaching the truth and a guy whose sole "scum reads" are the people that suspect him and a prob town SS claim really doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Remind me, why you scumreading Cheeky, i prob missed your case on them

[Ramcius]

Last chance to enter in the raffle to get your shot in, otherwise the vigilante will shoot the second most voted person today if the other flips town.

Can I nominate myself?

[Ramcius]

I think most people are scumreading us for activity and my attempt to push nero early on.

I'm just going to quote this since I'm too lazy to type words and quote fetch.

And this is why I called your scumread on them non-commital - activity and OMGUS, that makes me your only actual scumread

[Ramcius]

Last chance to enter in the raffle to get your shot in, otherwise the vigilante will shoot the second most voted person today if the other flips town.

Can I nominate myself?

why

I'd rather watch from dead chat than try deal with this mess

[Ramcius]

I'm dissapointed in all of you, scum included

Guess I'll just vote end day sometime and that would be all my contribution D2

[Ramcius]

I'm dissapointed in all of you, scum included

Guess I'll just vote end day sometime and that would be all my contribution D2

Why are you disappointed in scum?

I'm still alive

[Ramcius]

I'm dissapointed in all of you, scum included

Guess I'll just vote end day sometime and that would be all my contribution D2

Why are you disappointed in scum?

I'm still alive

Can you not ask to die? It’s annoying and doesn’t contribute

Maybe they kept you alive because people are scumreading you?

I wouldn't kill myself either, I could be BP baiting shot on me for example

You know what is annoying and not contributing? Half of this playerlist, so I'm asking you to excuse me that I rather be on dead thread than try fix this mess, when no one give a shit about solving this game and people lynch lurker, so we have nothing to do D2

[Ramcius]

BOONus Rounds

• Along with the night phase, there will be the BOONus Rounds. When there are more than 18 players alive, 9 players will be chosen for this, more than 12, 6 players, and more than 6 players alive, 3 players. These BOONus Rounds will give potential Prizes to players, which you can then choose to keep for yourself, or anonymously give to other players. To make it fair, PRIORITY will be given to players who have not been involved in these rounds as the game goes on.

According to this, 3 3p games makes sense

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

This was AlmostCharas top SR, and upon review of their Iso overnight I think we should roll with it.

Can we not? I want someone, who isn't hard lurker, so I can try sort people from associations

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

This was AlmostCharas top SR, and upon review of their Iso overnight I think we should roll with it.

Can we not? I want someone, who isn't hard lurker, so I can try sort people from associations

My other main issue is that a meta read on a quiet slot got us results yesterday, why change tactics?

If theres a little meta tell on Theta It should be dealt with...

That's the thing, I try plan ahead more than current lynch and pray to hit scum. Yes, you got lucky D1, but was Nipps reaching LYLO? If I don't expect someone to reach LYLO, I prefer lynch that yields more info, so I can look for scumbuddies/clear people. Goal isn't lynch couple scum, goal is to lynch all of them

[Ramcius]

If we assume that there only 5 scum (maybe 6, if 5 scumteam + traitor), we have huge number advantage, so rewards in BOONus rounds being not so useful for town is something reasonable

[Ramcius]

It's interesting how TLK ended up on Theta wagon and not on EFN

My vote on Elsa was way earlier, i had it on Gamma, but was too much resistance to it, so I changed it to TLK, I wanted either of TLK/Gamma/DrewVa flip and TLK was most reasonable from these. Granted I didn't claimed, when I changed to it, but it was 4 days before deadline and it was way before his claim

[Ramcius]

I don't really follow you. How rolecop is towny role? I've seen it way more often as a scum role than town one in other games

As for 1-shot, i think Boon somewhere mentioned that most roles in this game are 1-shot, it's kinda theme, EFN flip just showed that it applies to scum too, nothing more

[Ramcius]

You know what is annoying and not contributing? Half of this playerlist a 96 page d1 where we argued over grammatical semantics among other stupid shit.

Are your Jimmie's rustled?

You're in that half btw

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

This was AlmostCharas top SR, and upon review of their Iso overnight I think we should roll with it.

Can we not? I want someone, who isn't hard lurker, so I can try sort people from associations

Do you have a better idea, or do you just not like his pick?

Nothing changed for me, so I want lynch same people I wanted D1

[Ramcius]

I don't really follow you. How rolecop is towny role? I've seen it way more often as a scum role than town one in other games

It can be a town role. Use it to find scum outright, or to clear townies. If, as town, you role cop someone and then they say something that puts them at odds with what you know, boom you have a lead.

Why couldn't it be town?

At this point I don't know what are you reading. I never said it can't be town role, I was arguing point that rolecop is more towny, i. e. that it used as town role more often as scum, so it would be accepted as a town on claiming. I have rather opposite experience and I would believe rolecop to be scum more often than town

[Ramcius]

towny =/= town...

[Ramcius]

I was hoping for an AC filled D2 but that won't happen.

Why did you want him to be here on d2?

I'm dissapointed in all of you, scum included

Why? We lynched scum. I'm sure you are disappointed that Nips lurked and got lynched though.

gifted it to someone you wouldn’t expect

I mean, I'm right here. Sure scum can't leave me alive in LYLO but I would have used the vig before then. I'm just really heartbroken Nancy. But real talk, why would you not give it to me?

Anyone corroborate Gammas Room C stories?

Why does this matter?

I don't know if this stuff continues beyond this point but it all seems very very dumb to me. Boons mini show-off game has two "alignments" blue and pink and thus has no relevance to the Christmas colors in the main game.

Its past now but I instantly wanted to claim.



I don't know why Nancy would ask if there was more than one room but I'm willing to buy that she was told by Boon.

Well, at least you didn't disappoint me now, I knew you would blame me and ignore fact that I've put literally 0 efforts right before deadline to sway lynch despite seeing pushes on "my scumbuddy"

[Ramcius]

ignore fact that I've put literally 0 efforts right before deadline to sway lynch despite seeing pushes on "my scumbuddy"

How am I ignoring that? Yeah, you did nothing. I guess what you are claiming is that you cannot be scum with FN b/c you didn't try to derail his lynch and that's possible I guess but it's also possible that you didn't want to risk defending a dying buddy,

There was no risk, it would be consistent with my previous "I don't want lurker lynch" attitude

[Ramcius]

..............


you don't think ppl would be the least bit suspicious if you tried to sway from the FN lynch? Either you are the most tone-deaf townie ever or you are scum that just shrugging off any criticism.

You know, sometimes you say good ideas, so how about you go and look for people, who tried sway lynch at EoD?

[Ramcius]

Wow, that's amazing that almost nobody posted during my catchup. Maybe I'll be able to keep up...

I was in BOONus room B, with Almost Chara and Karm. Karm and I "won" the minigame, and got a +1 and choice of (Disloyal, Loud, and a 3rd thing that I can't remember offhand). We had the option of keeping or gifting, same as the other BOONus rooms. Hopefully Karm will remember the 3rd modifier. It seems that the game will end up with a good number of us having roles that resemble the way that Boon plays the game in every setup -- wild!!

Profii, I feel like I should read the setup posts to see if that ability to gift someone is even a possible role in the setup (could be wrong though, maybe one slot can be an out of the blue new thing??). Care to share anything else about how you got that?

I'd say Profil's role is a JOAT, which is in the list

[Ramcius]

That's, um, interesting. Can Inventor be a variant?

[Ramcius]

How do you think we should vote moving forwards? pressure on the bottom % or top?

Bottom/top % of what?

Post counts

How about middle?

[Ramcius]

I'm still ok to hammer TLK and we have time to plan this time

[Ramcius]

I'm still ok to hammer TLK and we have time to plan this time

How do you feel about AC saying TLK is not to be touched today?

Well, they never tried talk to me about my scumread on TLK or that I volunteered to hammer him after his SS claim, so I don't care about their opinion.

What is your opinion? Don't hide behind AC

[Ramcius]

jeez, wrong game.. how drunk am I RN??

Drunk post more, it’s fun

did Mafiascum start identifying you as female or is my vision that blurred??

It's your vision

[Ramcius]

BEF, are you have strong townread on other 3 day reps?

[Ramcius]

BEF, are you have strong townread on other 3 day reps?

Ram, this sentence is put together in an odd way, but I think it might explain something. Is English your first language? Totally cool if it's not, just would help me understand your posts a little better since I feel like I'm missing a tiny thing each time.

No, it's not

[Ramcius]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

You using Occam's razor, when you can't prove anything? Either of other 3 can be scum, scum might chose not to use their ability (I don't see any advantage for scum having their day rep, especially, if this ability is public), there no confirmation that all 4 is from BOONus rounds. In short, you try to lynch me on some unconfirmed speculations

So, can we get TLK today? We need to deal with SS claim. No one want discuss his last second vote on Theta D1 either