BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[DrewVa]

Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.

Well, I don't buy that anyone made a slip of that specific nature ("this isn't my towngame") as scum; if you can back that up it'll lend some amount of credibility but as far as my judgment of the legitimacy of the slip itself goes, it doesn't look like one. Also, this is a very weak push.

~A

DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"

And that doesn’t make any sense to you, why exactly?

[DrewVa]

At worst, I’m not wrong. At best, it’s NAI. Because I have seen it happen, more often than not.

The current subject is the legitimacy of the alleged "scumslip".
What you're saying in the quoted can be applied to anything anyone said.
(Assuming by "it" you refer to slips like this)
If you have seen slips highly similar to this one, can you quote them?

~A

Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.

I mean if you want people to believe you on that bringing evidence is a lot more convincing. I'm inclined to agree with Thanos (on the original point).
Here, i'll go first...Evidence of me digging through my game history in previous games to back up my argument that I was witnessing scum indicative behavior. And, um, me doing it right now to back up this argument? that i'm making.
Exhibit 1
Exhibit 2
Right, your turn?
*he says pessimistically*

Look, I don’t know if it’s an actual scumslip but I have seen slips like this many times in previous games I’ve played. If I knew an easy way to dig them up I would. I have a really good memory of these things but it would like take me longer than the ultimate course of this game, to look them up. But the alleged “slip”, is just one reason I am suspicious of Ram. It’s also the bad pushes, that haven’t made much sense to me. He said Karmelon “slipped”, iirc but I couldn’t find any such slip.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"

I did read that.
DrewVa's asking you for your defense against TLK when it's so easy to read your ISO and find 1127 and 1218 makes her push seem lazy, and the lack of willingness to back her claim of seeing similar scumslips is bothersome.

The feeble push here with that serious tone feels a bit scum-motivated to me *shrug*

~A

It’s okay Auro, we both know you have no clue how to read me.

[DrewVa]

It would just make it easier for me, if you could summarize your basic points.

it would be easier to me, if you just find my answer to all TLK accusations, it's in one post

It’s not for me because it’s easier for ME to make sense of them, APART from TLK’s posts. It’s obviously up to you though. *shrug*

[DrewVa]

TLK. I have a question. I made that self-vote very early on as self-admittedly half a joke egopost and the other half a reaction test. I also said that I understand that's not how real votes were placed. When you put your votecounts together, why did you not even ask if I had actually voted myself in my confessional before writing my vote there?

I'm going to have to wade in here. If your clear use of vote tags should be disregarded as a joke, at what point do you draw the line between assuming a vote is a joke and a vote is real? The most sensible course of action is to take literal votes at face value, and you told us that you're voting yourself. If you don't want that in the artificial VC, go ahead and change it.

@Something_Smart, who are you voting for, in your ACTUAL confessional?

[DrewVa]

Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.

Well, I don't buy that anyone made a slip of that specific nature ("this isn't my towngame") as scum; if you can back that up it'll lend some amount of credibility but as far as my judgment of the legitimacy of the slip itself goes, it doesn't look like one. Also, this is a very weak push.

~A

DrewVa vent even further and said scumslip was that I didn't used "typical" as in "it's not my typical towngame"

And that doesn’t make any sense to you, why exactly?

i will answer this one - i didn't used "typical" or any other similar word, because Cheeky didn't used it in their question. Now you would say it doesn't make sense, but english isn't my first language, so when i have answer question, i look for what i was asked. I often forget some things like "the" and such, english grammar is a bit different from my native, so adding extra details, when they wasn't included in question simply doesn't come to my mind. Cheeky said towngame, so i say towngame, on top of that it's easier to understand each other, when you use same wording

Okay, fair enough. I didn’t take that into account. However, for native English speakers, what I said, has been demonstrated to be correct. more often than not.

I honestly don’t understand. either yours or Alonzo’s pushes this game. And you accusing Karmelon of scumslipping, when I didn’t believe he had. you’re agressive response to RCE from what read to me as an entirely NAI statement. But perhas, I misunderstood why your scumread on TLK would be affected by him being the counterwagon. It didn’t make any sense to me at the time but I should have asked you to explain your reasoning for it, rather then just assume.

[DrewVa]

TLK. I have a question. I made that self-vote very early on as self-admittedly half a joke egopost and the other half a reaction test. I also said that I understand that's not how real votes were placed. When you put your votecounts together, why did you not even ask if I had actually voted myself in my confessional before writing my vote there?

I took a template and copied it, to be honest, and your name was right there at the top. I did think about taking your vote off but it also seemed like an obvious enough joke. I figured I could leave it there and change it later if/when you decided to go public. Just a sillier unknown.

I want to address the last sentence specifically though, because I don't think these VC are necessarily confessional votes. But if someone did vote here and was contradicted later, it gives some nice info on D2.

If we somehow wind up with an entirely shocking lynch, we’ll know that someone - most likely scum. has obviously been lying with their votes.

[DrewVa]

Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.

We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.

[DrewVa]

How do you know you aren't the dead weight here then?

Have you given your opinion on TLK by the way?

I think he's scum and his buddies DrewVa and Gamma are trying save his sorry ass, is that enough?

I am not scum here. Some of my reads may be possibly wrong but that doesn’t make me scum.

[DrewVa]

Is Elsa the he here b/c Nancy is a girl, guy.

Yes, Elsa is a he.

[DrewVa]

Okay, fair enough. I didn’t take that into account. However, for native English speakers, what I said, has been demonstrated to be correct. more often than not.

I honestly don’t understand. either yours or Alonzo’s pushes this game. And you accusing Karmelon of scumslipping, when I didn’t believe he had. you’re agressive response to RCE from what read to me as an entirely NAI statement. But perhas, I misunderstood why your scumread on TLK would be affected by him being the counterwagon. It didn’t make any sense to me at the time but I should have asked you to explain your reasoning for it, rather then just assume.

I will say one last time - i didn't called TLK scum for counterwagon, i was asked about him, I said I disliked his early pushed and that I dislike how I become his counterwagon from nowhere, I didn't voted him either, so I appreciate, if people stop spreading this false info about me trying lynch TLK or calling him scum for being his counterwagon

Also, I have very aggressive playstyle and my comment to RCE was quite peaceful, Gamma and Nero can vouch that i can be really aggressive and pushy, that's NAI thing to me

So tell me, how you trust TLK so easily, when you were torn between voting him and me, also, I want remind that I literally told you to keep your vote on me, when you was considering jump on his wagon again

Lastly, your opinion on Gamma? He says he have no confidence in reading me anymore (never saw my scumplay), yet comes with really weak reason to vote me

Spoiler:

VOTE: Emperors New Groove

From a scum POV, not voting in the main thread is probably an important mechanic they would've discussed if they had pre-game chat. This looks like a townslip, DrewVa is likely town.

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.

Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.

Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.

Other townie slots:

I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.

Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.

what is your read on Elsa?

Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).

I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.

Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.

Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.

Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.

Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum

And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).

I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.

Yes, i don't like, when people make conclusion purely from speculations without any basis, why that's wrong?

What i contradict? That my playstyle wasn't my usual town at that time? I guess you know better my townplay than I

Cheeky wasn't talking to me, so i had to ask. But i was speaking with Elsa way before that, how that's a contradiction?

I don't even comment on RCE quote

I have no clue what are you talking, only PL i wanted was Elsa, not you, i never expressed intend to vote you, what PL we even talking? Also, have you seen me trying PL someone as a scum to say it was a lie?

Only thing that i said was that i dislike how people suddenly got interested in me, when your wagon grew, i. e. i'm becoming your counterwagon

Alonzo is a troll, i stopped pay attention to him long ago

Okay, something we actually do agree on.

Him having the power to end the day, is concerning though.


What’s you read on TLK?

He already voted to end day, so he have no more power

Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon

I’m legit confused now. Either I am correctly reading you or we have a REAL misunderstanding in our communication styles?

[DrewVa]

Alonzo isn't town, but there's no reason to scumread him either

That makes absolutely no sense.

[DrewVa]

I don't think you are hated, I just like Dave and Ram scum reading you and I guess Alonzo?

Dave was? I must have missed it. I’m starting to question my read on Ram. I think Alonzo is scummier.

[DrewVa]

Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.

We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.

i don't see any indication of town. he's either playing in a anti-town way or scum openly pushing a scum agenda

Agreed. He wanted to lynch me for giving him an FOS for his extremely suspicious end the day vote.

I think I feel better about this vote. for now.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alonzo

[DrewVa]

Alonzo isn't town, but there's no reason to scumread him either

That makes absolutely no sense.

Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.

We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.

i don't see any indication of town. he's either playing in a anti-town way or scum openly pushing a scum agenda

I recall a post by Boon saying this is singleball and that there’s no SK.

@Ramicius

[DrewVa]

Technically, SK doesn’t count as being Multiball anywhere on site. However, I advertised the game implying it was Single Ball, and generally if I’m going to straight up confirm it’s not Multiball, I’m not going to put a SK in the game.

[DrewVa]

Technically, SK doesn’t count as being Multiball anywhere on site. However, I advertised the game implying it was Single Ball, and generally if I’m going to straight up confirm it’s not Multiball, I’m not going to put a SK in the game.

Not town/anti-town cannot ever be 3P in this game.

[DrewVa]

i'm also townreading TLK here. especially with the context of his mafia experience.
~Chara

Upon an ISO, I also tr him. But because of his vc tracking and interactions from him look like sorting.

@TLK thanks for tracking the vc btw. It's become frustrating to solve without frequent updates, because I want to work off vca too.

What does the 2nd sentence mean though?

~ P

i'm also townreading TLK here. especially with the context of his mafia experience.
~Chara

Upon an ISO, I also tr him. But because of his vc tracking and interactions from him look like sorting.

@TLK thanks for tracking the vc btw. It's become frustrating to solve without frequent updates, because I want to work off vca too.

What does the 2nd sentence mean though?

~ P

/in dis shit

Feel free to give this guy a lot of crap in game. He’s my noob friend. (He’s pretty good at mafia, just never played forum mafia.

In order to teach the ways of Forum Mafia to Mister Boon's friend, clearly the best course of action is to lynch him day 1 as a lesson in what NOT to do here.

[DrewVa]

Checked Thanos' ISO. Should I be worried when only one head is posting?

Only Auro seems to be actually posting though, maybe not even Auro.

I think it's only been auro too. I have experience with lames and she is somewhat difficult to read, and has an odd playstyle. Problem for that head is I have them at null in here , and auro was also difficult to read in the newbie game we finished.

If Ram flips red, I think people should take another look at you.

You'd be more believable if you came out and just said 'I'm having trouble sorting Alonzo'

I still am null on alonzo but feel like he is more easily sorted later in the game. There is a specific tell of his that has been so far, reliable.

~ P

Which is?

[DrewVa]

Checked Thanos' ISO. Should I be worried when only one head is posting?

Only Auro seems to be actually posting though, maybe not even Auro.

I think it's only been auro too. I have experience with lames and she is somewhat difficult to read, and has an odd playstyle. Problem for that head is I have them at null in here , and auro was also difficult to read in the newbie game we finished.

If Ram flips red, I think people should take another look at you.

You'd be more believable if you came out and just said 'I'm having trouble sorting Alonzo'

I still am null on alonzo but feel like he is more easily sorted later in the game. There is a specific tell of his that has been so far, reliable.

~ P

It’s not that hard to tell which head has been posting. Lamees can’t count apparently and doesn’t seem have a clue about the setup.

[DrewVa]

Is Elsa the he here b/c Nancy is a girl, guy.

Yes, Elsa is a he.

My gender is Snow Queen, thank you very much.

By the way, hypothetically, if I had a gun, who would be opposed if I shot Nero Cain?

I am no longer opposed.

Also, I disagree with outing your role so early. I think it would've been fine if you kept it secret because now scum has that info.

~ P

In one game, I counterclaim a literal Daycop claim for shits and giggles as scum day 1.

In another, I claim Neutral Doctor with the ascetic modifier, later on saying I'm a 1 shot BP day 1. I was a neutral Hider.

In yet another game, I claim day 1 to be a Ninja Lawyer. I was a town ninja lawyer.

Claiming day 1 as any alignment seems to be my specialty.

Who should I shoot then?

Noted.

[DrewVa]

Checked Thanos' ISO. Should I be worried when only one head is posting?

Only Auro seems to be actually posting though, maybe not even Auro.

I think it's only been auro too. I have experience with lames and she is somewhat difficult to read, and has an odd playstyle. Problem for that head is I have them at null in here , and auro was also difficult to read in the newbie game we finished.

If Ram flips red, I think people should take another look at you.

You'd be more believable if you came out and just said 'I'm having trouble sorting Alonzo'

I still am null on alonzo but feel like he is more easily sorted later in the game. There is a specific tell of his that has been so far, reliable.

~ P

It’s not that hard to tell which head has been posting. Lamees can’t count apparently and doesn’t seem have a clue about the setup.

Yeah, after a catchup it's mostly been Auro .

regarding alonzo, I want to see what he does first about you voting him .
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In one game, I counterclaim a literal Daycop claim for shits and giggles as scum day 1.

In another, I claim Neutral Doctor with the ascetic modifier, later on saying I'm a 1 shot BP day 1. I was a neutral Hider.

In yet another game, I claim day 1 to be a Ninja Lawyer. I was a town ninja lawyer.

Claiming day 1 as any alignment seems to be my specialty.

Who should I shoot then?

Huh, ok - so a Kokichi #2.

My shoot list suggestion is that anyone not in my tr, can be a vig shot. Townreads so far : profi, karm, nero, mcqueen, dave, AC, ENG, TLK


~ P

Why does Nero have a strike though it?

[DrewVa]

Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.

We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.

i don't see any indication of town. he's either playing in a anti-town way or scum openly pushing a scum agenda

Agreed. He wanted to lynch me for giving him an FOS for his extremely suspicious end the day vote.

I think I feel better about this vote. for now.

UNVOTE:

Feeling good about yourself is very important.

VOTE: Alonzo

Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.

We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.

i don't see any indication of town. he's either playing in a anti-town way or scum openly pushing a scum agenda

Agreed. He wanted to lynch me for giving him an FOS for his extremely suspicious end the day vote.

I think I feel better about this vote. for now.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alonzo

Thanks for misquoting me. Yeah, definitely townlocking you now.

[DrewVa]

bored? vote Theta Alpine with us!
~Chara

Why?

[DrewVa]

this is a big game, and i don't care too much about getting our scumreads lynched right away.
what i do care about is making sure my townreads don't get lynched, and i don't want TLK going down today. if we end now, that's pretty likely to happen. and even if town does get lynched, i'd rather see more people make a stand on whether or not they want that to happen so we can read it later.
~Chara

+1

That’s why I don’t want the day to end before we have some kind of consensus scumread being voted and it kind of weirds me out, that some people are taking that so lightly.

[DrewVa]

talking about how the game is going to die before it has, and that we should lynch for the sake of doing so instead of because you have someone who's scum, isn't a good look.
that's to Elsa and Alonzo.

Theta Alpine's ISO speaks for itself, to me and to Almost. if someone thinks they're town i'll listen.
and no, it has nothing to do with number of posts.

TLK, some players call mafia wolves interchangeably.
~Chara

I can tell you that they frequently get wrongly scumread and I think that might possibly be the case here? \_0_/

They haven’t done a lot that it is townie, I’m null on them rn.

[DrewVa]

Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.

We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.

i don't see any indication of town. he's either playing in a anti-town way or scum openly pushing a scum agenda

Agreed. He wanted to lynch me for giving him an FOS for his extremely suspicious end the day vote.

I think I feel better about this vote. for now.

UNVOTE:

Feeling good about yourself is very important.

VOTE: Alonzo

Someone is going to have to explain the Drewva and TLK hate. I asked Elsa earlier but they ignored me.

We’re hated? I thought that was just Alonzo. Can someone tell me, why he’s town here? Like, I understand he has this troll meta but I don’t necessarily see why that should be an excuse to townread him here.

i don't see any indication of town. he's either playing in a anti-town way or scum openly pushing a scum agenda

Agreed. He wanted to lynch me for giving him an FOS for his extremely suspicious end the day vote.

I think I feel better about this vote. for now.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alonzo

Thanks for misquoting me. Yeah, definitely townlocking you now.

Yeah thats my bad, It wasn't meant as a FTFY, just raw sarcasm.

Okay, I honestly don’t have a clue who to vote for today.

I’m currently not sr Gamma. I would prefer if everybody could just vote their unlyncahables and who ever didn’t make that cut, would be today’s lynch.

[DrewVa]

Yeah, I may or may not have changed my vote with the recent information. But hey, since I'm about to go to sleep...

The person with the most votes after the person lynched is the one who gets shot. Is that a decent deal?

It depends on whether the main wagon flips red or green.

If red, then the counterwagon is probably town.

[DrewVa]

Who is this Nancy Lady who keeps showing up in the game? Such intrusion. Much ban.

[DrewVa]

When I say Emperor Flippynips you say...

Nero, Karmeleon, AlmostChara, Xtoxm, Nev and Max, McQueen, Gamma, TLK, Elsa.

I think I’m currently townreading all of these slots.

I probably forgot a few.

[DrewVa]

I'm not caught up at all, getting kind of drowned out tbh. Can you explain the karmeleon read drewva? Also are those Hydra reads or Nancy reads?

A combo. DVa townreads reads Karmeleon and Gamma (and I agree), I think she also agrees with me on AC. As far as I know. she doesn’t disagree with me on any of them. Well, she might have Elsa at nulltown. \_0_/

[DrewVa]

Townreads are BEF, drewva, Elsa, Nero, nev, Alonzo, McQueen, almost Chara lightly. Fine shooting anyone else. Who all are currently townreading Profii?

Kind of null on him, I guess but I didn’t like his Nero push.

[DrewVa]

Still don't like TLK's VC it's busy work and I'm not a fan.

I dunno, everytime, I scumread someone for being lynchbaity, they usually wind up flipping town. :/

[DrewVa]

The pushes that claimed to vote tlk we're very apathetic or based on me vs him. Which is weak imo, as opposed to reading him on what he is doing. So idk I don't think he's lynchbaity. I didn't know he was a new player till you or Elsa quoted boonskies on it so that kind of changed my perspective on our early interactions but doesn't reconcile my issues with his later play.

What do you think of Ram, Thanos and lurkers, who are AWOL?

[DrewVa]

Don't know if confessionals are quotable but I've been using mine to gather my thoughts and the lurkers was one of them. The chance scum is in there is pretty good but being so close to the holidays it's not going to be my day 1 push. After the holidays is another story. Ramcius is leaning town, I don't know how aggressive he is as scum though. Thanos is on the scummy side of null.

Aiuro is just naturly scummy.

[DrewVa]

I kinda townread this post as I remember thinking the same when I first did ISO skims like forever ago. Also don't think Hebi takes on Drewva as scum knowing they can obv town.

Is DrewVa that readable? I have one completed scumgame with DVa but I think she's not at easy to read; I'll look up scumgames of the other head, any that come to mind?
DrewVa's posts seem to contain a fair bit of fluff, and their push on Ramcius deserve some scumpoints.
I don't see a read on DrewVa in your ISO, what's your opinion of that slot?

~A

[DrewVa]

Not sure on Nancy's scumgame, I think Dva can be crafty scum. Nancy does bleed town given the right conditions and agree with cheeky that Nancy is not a good target for scum to try and isolate.

Heroes Wanted, Overkill 1 and Halloween Dance. I agree with the above but you’d be surprised how often scum still try to push me. and they always wind up regretting it, not that it stops them, though.

[DrewVa]

Aiuro is just naturly scummy.

Thanks for that. It's expected that my playstyle would be found scummy at least on a tonal basis, but I'm currently focusing more on the scumhunting part of it than looking like how town is expected to look.

Is there anything my slot has done so far that you read as more scum motivated than town motivated, or anti-town?

~A

I dunno, your partner accusing us of scumreading “everyone”.

And you assuming we’re being scummy, rather than just wrong.

Also, you could be seen as being possibly lamist or tryharding?

At any rate, if you don’t get your partner to stop voting to “end the day”, I’m seriously considering policy lynching you, and this is coming from someone who is opposed to them on principle.

Lamees can’t vote for that, so please make her stop. It’s hella annoying.

[DrewVa]

I mean you say that but he also exclusively posted arnold schwarzenneger quotes as some sort of weird town role in overkrill 2: the whaling

-D

[DrewVa]

I still have no plans to vote for that to happen, unless someone made an extraordinarily good point as to why I should.

they didnt

Agreed. Rn, it’s just random and a random lynch, is almost always bad for town.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Alonzo

This was a scumslip more than a vote.

Okay, when you say, “scumslip”, I should always read the word “not” in front. Good to know.

[DrewVa]

unless someone made an extraordinarily good point as to why I should.

Imagine a huge castle with a Santa hat wearing 'Knight' and a glamourous Blonde queen with 'some childhood baggage'. Around that castle is a huge moat.

Now hear me out, If we don't fill the moat with Water... you have got yourself.... The greatest dirt racetrack ever.... Ideal for a racecar such as yourself! You could race round and round forever. Steer right to go left and all that.

So then Xt gets his castle and Wife, you get a place race, and I get to dig myself a gigantic hole. We all have a great day one.

We don't even even have to give Flippynips a thing....

Think about it.

Lolwut?

[DrewVa]

I'm very underwhelmed with ENG in this one, and a little overwhelmed by Drew tell the truth.

Do you think troll! Alonzo =scum? If so, Proof plz.

@Cheeky Performer

“Overwhelmed”?

[DrewVa]

I think we should lynch boonskies today

I have it on good authority he is either third party or vengeful

We can't go wrong here

-d

[DrewVa]

I think we should lynch boonskies today

I have it on good authority he is either third party or vengeful

We can't go wrong here

-d

[DrewVa]

Could we have an alternative lynch on Flavor Leaf?

+1

I heard he’s a really slippery bugger.

1v1 between Boon and FL...GO

[DrewVa]

Kokichi would never defend himself, he'd just claim mason.

-D

[DrewVa]

Hm, we should have vote for end of day too and if we have let's say 2/3 of players to vote for it, we should end it.

VOTE: End day

Can anyone other then Alonzo, Flips’s replacement, Xtoxm, McQueen, please stop voting to end or not end the day? You don’t get a vote. If I can’t figure out, who I think is scummy by deadline, I might be down to policy lynch anyone other than these 4, who continue to vote for this.

[DrewVa]

And you assuming we’re being scummy, rather than just wrong.

That's the game though

Also, you could be seen as being possibly lamist or tryharding?

LAMEESist.

At any rate, if you don’t get your partner to stop voting to “end the day”, I’m seriously considering policy lynching you, and this is coming from someone who is opposed to them on principle.

Lamees can’t vote for that, so please make her stop. It’s hella annoying.

Nah, it's cute, and harmless.

I really dislike this post.

You keep making more like these and I may vote you.

[DrewVa]

You know, I'm quite enjoying this anonymous mechanic. I'm able to vote who I want without getting any pushback from them. It's liberating.

Fucking ew

Hmmmm . . OOH, I agree with you, OTOH, he’s not hiding it. I disagree with him wrt THIS game but tbf, there have been games, where I would have preferred it - only because of too many players having tunnel vision. However, that does not seem to be happening here at all, so I think, everyone ought to be as transparent as possible about their votes.

[DrewVa]

Still don't like TLK's VC it's busy work and I'm not a fan.

You mean the VC of public in-thread "votes" he's keeping track of? I like it, I think it's pro-town at least in that it helps keep track of sentiments.
I encourage the 'busywork', leantown there. Bad lynch.

~A

While I don’t think it’s scummy busywork it’s certainly not a reason to townread TLK. In Mod is Mafia scum!mathblade kept up votecounts and got townread for that and bamboozled everyone. Scum can be pro-town. Not that I really care as I’m townreading TLK anyway

This is why I townread you and not Thanos. Their reasons for alignment sorting, seem on the whole to be really surfacey. At first, I kind of townleaned them for it but now, it’s pinging me a bit.

[DrewVa]

What's wrong with it?

They’re not answering or addressing any of my concerns.

[DrewVa]

And you assuming we’re being scummy, rather than just wrong.

That's the game though

Also, you could be seen as being possibly lamist or tryharding?

LAMEESist.

At any rate, if you don’t get your partner to stop voting to “end the day”, I’m seriously considering policy lynching you, and this is coming from someone who is opposed to them on principle.

Lamees can’t vote for that, so please make her stop. It’s hella annoying.

Nah, it's cute, and harmless.

I really dislike this post.

You keep making more like these and I may vote you.

Yeah auro went for a bit of a stretch there. It definitely isn't cute.

But can anyone else see drewva is obv scum? Or is it just me.

-lamees

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Thanos

[DrewVa]

I’m voting Thanos, because A) I’m starting to dislike their surfacey reads.

B) their failure to adequately adress my very valid concerns.

C) I think their posting up to now, strikes me as lamisty and tryharding.

D) Lamees in particular, reads super scummy to me.

E) Their response to my suspicion of their bad response to me, was not to attempt to further clarify my concerns but to immediately call us, “obv scum”.

Earlier, Lamees falsely accused me of scumreading “ everybody”, which was bs shade, not to mention, a flat out lie.

When does town ever respond this way?

Town doesn’t dismiss your valid concerns by bs shading and calling you “obv scum”. They press you for explanations and ONLY if they dislike said explanation - for whatever reason - do they even consider scumreading you for it, at that point.

I will reconfirm with DVa, since she has more meta on Auro than I do but I’m also not getting particularly townie vibes from that slot. In contrast, TLK reads kind of genuine to me by comparison.

Busywork in general is NAI - it all depends on sincerity of of the thought processes and reads.

[DrewVa]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

This type of thinking rarely comes from town. You just are calling for out lynch, rather than address the concerns mentioned in my post.

You don’t even seem at all concerned if you mislynch. I OTOH, am actually trying to sort you but your refusal to respond to my concerns is troubling and you’re calling for my lynch instead of doing that is beyond scummy.

Contrast this with how Ram responded to my push on him earlier. He only though I might be scum, because he didn’t see me fhpov, trying to sort him. It was clearly a miscommunication in that case but Thanos OTOH, immediately leaps to that conclusion, when all I was trying to accomplish by expressing my concerns, was to obtain some sort of satisfactory response to them, which Thanos outright dismissed.

[DrewVa]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

This type of thinking rarely comes from town. You just are calling for out lynch, rather than address the concerns mentioned in my post.

You don’t even seem at all concerned if you mislynch. I OTOH, am actually trying to sort you but your refusal to respond to my concerns is troubling and you’re calling for my lynch instead of doing that is beyond scummy.

Contrast this with how Ram responded to my push on him earlier. He only though I might be scum, because he didn’t see me fhpov, trying to sort him. It was clearly a miscommunication in that case but Thanos OTOH, immediately leaps to that conclusion, when all I was trying to accomplish by expressing my concerns, was to obtain some sort of satisfactory response to them, which Thanos outright dismissed.

I still think that you are scum, simply I need Gamma's and TLK heads first

Why?

I’m not though. If I were scum here, I would have never unvoted you. Why would I, when your wagon is clearly viable? Scum usually only jumps off a wagon, when they perceive it as not viable. I still don’t townread you, for all of the i initial reasons I originally voted you but I liked your response to it. While your scumread on me is obviously incorrect, it doesn’t read scummy to me, if that makes any sense?

[DrewVa]

I’m voting Thanos, because A) I’m starting to dislike their surfacey reads.

B) their failure to adequately adress my very valid concerns.

C) I think their posting up to now, strikes me as lamisty and tryharding.

D) Lamees in particular, reads super scummy to me.

E) Their response to my suspicion of their bad response to me, was not to attempt to further clarify my concerns but to immediately call us, “obv scum”.

Earlier, Lamees falsely accused me of scumreading “ everybody”, which was bs shade, not to mention, a flat out lie.

When does town ever respond this way?

Town doesn’t dismiss your valid concerns by bs shading and calling you “obv scum”. They press you for explanations and ONLY if they dislike said explanation - for whatever reason - do they even consider scumreading you for it, at that point.

I will reconfirm with DVa, since she has more meta on Auro than I do but I’m also not getting particularly townie vibes from that slot. In contrast, TLK reads kind of genuine to me by comparison.

Busywork in general is NAI - it all depends on sincerity of of the thought processes and reads.

A) Throwing a leantown for busywork is a surfacey read, but that's all I'm going to have on D1. The scumlean on you was more than surfacey, your push on Ramcius and your "IDGAF believe me or not but I ain't providing evidence to back myself up" attitude does read scum-motivated.

B) Your concerns included that we're being tryhard/LAMEEST, which is a silly attack -- again, without any substantiation on your part. Also, you have more than double the posts we do, hence the lulz.

C) Again, no substantiation, and lulz

D) Town!You usually check meta before lacing someone with a strong read like that; I see you've made zero effort at looking at Lamees' meta? Do show me how this isn't her town meta, and I'll accept your read there.

E) Eh, your "concerns" are damn weak, and the threat of policy lynching on something as simple as voting to end the day is petty.

You're talking about "good town play" as you view it, but also ignoring Lamees' meta, which is a red flag.

It’s a big red flag to me that you keep hard defending her scummy posting, rather than clarifying it.

You know damn well, if I ever responded the way your hydra partner did to my post, callling you “obv scum”,for a perfectly reasonable post, you’d be calling for my head to. Don’t even try to insult my intelligence by pretending otherwise.

[DrewVa]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

This type of thinking rarely comes from town. You just are calling for out lynch, rather than address the concerns mentioned in my post.

You don’t even seem at all concerned if you mislynch. I OTOH, am actually trying to sort you but your refusal to respond to my concerns is troubling and you’re calling for my lynch instead of doing that is beyond scummy.

Contrast this with how Ram responded to my push on him earlier. He only though I might be scum, because he didn’t see me fhpov, trying to sort him. It was clearly a miscommunication in that case but Thanos OTOH, immediately leaps to that conclusion, when all I was trying to accomplish by expressing my concerns, was to obtain some sort of satisfactory response to them, which Thanos outright dismissed.

I still think that you are scum, simply I need Gamma's and TLK heads first

Why?

I’m not though. If I were scum here, I would have never unvoted you. Why would I, when your wagon is clearly viable? Scum usually only jumps off a wagon, when they perceive it as not viable. I still don’t townread you, for all of the i initial reasons I originally voted you but I liked your response to it. While your scumread on me is obviously incorrect, it doesn’t read scummy to me, if that makes any sense?

If either of Gamma or TLK flips town, I promise reconsider my read on you

Fine but what does our slot have anything to do with either of them? Just because I’m townreading a slot you don’t, doesn’t make me linked with them. In fact, if you knew anything at all about my meta, you’d know that I never hard defend my buddies as scum. If a slot I’m hard defending ever flips scum, it’s A) I’m town and misread them. B) It’s multiball and I’m still clueless about their alignment. C) I’m actually a scum traitor and/or my survival in a game, literally depends on them endgaming iit.

Checkout Heroes Wanted, where I was groupscum or any of my towngames, if you don’t believe me. I never KNOWINGLY ever go to bat for scum, unless my life in a game depends on them surviving. Why? Because I obviously know that their hypothetical red flip damns me and I’d be following in their footsteps.

Other than the above reasons I mentioned, I only ever go out on a limb for townreads. I’m town here and not a scum traitor btw.

[DrewVa]

It’s a big red flag to me that you keep hard defending her scummy posting, rather than clarifying it.

You know damn well, if I ever responded the way your hydra partner did to my post, callling you “obv scum”,for a perfectly reasonable post, you’d be calling for my head to. Don’t even try to insult my intelligence by pretending otherwise.

She was really confident on you being scum even before your post. She does this all the time as town -- did you check her meta?
Nancy responding the way Lamees did is scummy, but Lamees responding the way Lamees usually does isn't, is what I'm saying.

~A

No, and it’s up to your slot to link me. It’s ludicrous for you to expect me to excuse her scummy behaviour and your shade on me is just more hypocritical bs.

Where is YOUR metacheck on me, huh? Don’t you dare continue to keep shading me with this hypocritical bs, until you actually back it up. IOW, when you practice what you preach. I think you’re either scum here or really bad at Mafia and you defending blatant scummy behaviour by deflecting it back on me, reads super scummy to me, especially when your shading me for reasons that equally apply to you.

[DrewVa]

Nancy responding the way Lamees did is scummy, but Lamees responding the way Lamees usually does isn't, is what I'm saying.

~A

these are lies because lamees is always scummy

so you saying anything lamees does is not scummy is a clear misrep and is scummy, auro

you know this

-D

[DrewVa]

What she does *looks* scummy. It isn't scum-indicative for her, DVa. You know this.

False. Lamees is always scum, particularly when she gets green in her role pm. -D

[DrewVa]

No, and it’s up to your slot to link me. It’s ludicrous for you to expect me to excuse her scummy behaviour and your shade on me is just more hypocritical bs.

Where is YOUR metacheck on me, huh? Don’t you dare continue to keep shading me with this hypocritical bs, until you actually back it up. IOW, when you practice what you preach. I think you’re either scum here or really bad at Mafia and you defending blatant scummy behaviour by deflecting it back on me, reads super scummy to me, especially when your shading me for reasons that equally apply to you.

Newbie 1900, she obvscummed Not_Mafia for no reason at all immediately in D1, turns out she was town and he was scum.

I thought it was your town meta to extensively meta-check people. Is it not?

Why do I have to metacheck you? There's nothing "super scummy" I've stated about you, just a scumlean for a push I saw as weak and potentially scum motivated.

You're alleging that Lam is super scummy for something she does as town, without putting in any effort to check if town!her does that. I've not done that to your slot, so there's no symmetry here, is there?

~A

I asked you for LINKS. Of course you should metacheck me, since you’re scumreading me for not doing that. And no, I don’t metacheck every plaayer in a game, only usually if I’m entirely null on them and you just continuing to deflect isn’t helping my read on you at all. Had Ram responded this way, I’d never have unvoted him.

So which is it Auro - are you actually scum here or just being intentionally obtuse and hypocritically deflecting because you can’t be bothered to make a sincere effort to sort me? The more you keep turning this back on me, rather then even genuinely trying to adequately address my concerns about your slot, the scummier your slot looks to me and if you’re actually toxn here, that is a serious mistake, because I never want to mislynch but you are doing jack to help me sort you and putting it all on me.

[DrewVa]

P.edit. Your head isn’t super scummy, your hydra partner’s is and she is calling for our mislynch. If you are actually town here, you would stop defending this scummy behaviour of hers and not continue shade ME for it. FYPOV, you too would also be supersketched out by it, so I have no clue how town!you, ever finds this even remotely acceptable.

[DrewVa]

Inb4 rage quit the game again lol. Jk.

@mod this player is talking about an ongoing game and I insist they be force replaced.

How's that for proportion lamees?

[DrewVa]

Nancy responding the way Lamees did is scummy, but Lamees responding the way Lamees usually does isn't, is what I'm saying.

~A

these are lies because lamees is always scummy

so you saying anything lamees does is not scummy is a clear misrep and is scummy, auro

you know this

-D

+1

Even more concerning is how Auro is misrepping my meta, when he both acknowledges having not done a metacheck on me and is outright refusing to do one.

~N

[DrewVa]

Your friendly neighborhood Boonieman, here to spoiler the day.

Spoiler:

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

This type of thinking rarely comes from town. You just are calling for out lynch, rather than address the concerns mentioned in my post.

You don’t even seem at all concerned if you mislynch. I OTOH, am actually trying to sort you but your refusal to respond to my concerns is troubling and you’re calling for my lynch instead of doing that is beyond scummy.

Contrast this with how Ram responded to my push on him earlier. He only though I might be scum, because he didn’t see me fhpov, trying to sort him. It was clearly a miscommunication in that case but Thanos OTOH, immediately leaps to that conclusion, when all I was trying to accomplish by expressing my concerns, was to obtain some sort of satisfactory response to them, which Thanos outright dismissed.

I still think that you are scum, simply I need Gamma's and TLK heads first

Why?

I’m not though. If I were scum here, I would have never unvoted you. Why would I, when your wagon is clearly viable? Scum usually only jumps off a wagon, when they perceive it as not viable. I still don’t townread you, for all of the i initial reasons I originally voted you but I liked your response to it. While your scumread on me is obviously incorrect, it doesn’t read scummy to me, if that makes any sense?

If either of Gamma or TLK flips town, I promise reconsider my read on you

Fine but what does our slot have anything to do with either of them? Just because I’m townreading a slot you don’t, doesn’t make me linked with them. In fact, if you knew anything at all about my meta, you’d know that I never hard defend my buddies as scum. If a slot I’m hard defending ever flips scum, it’s A) I’m town and misread them. B) It’s multiball and I’m still clueless about their alignment. C) I’m actually a scum traitor and/or my survival in a game, literally depends on them endgaming iit.

Checkout Heroes Wanted, where I was groupscum or any of my towngames, if you don’t believe me. I never KNOWINGLY ever go to bat for scum, unless my life in a game depends on them surviving. Why? Because I obviously know that their hypothetical red flip damns me and I’d be following in their footsteps.

Other than the above reasons I mentioned, I only ever go out on a limb for townreads. I’m town here and not a scum traitor btw.

I suggest you to read game info, it's not multiball.

Your response looks like you know they'll flip red and you try to prepare for it. Anyways, we can continue this discussion and your meta, if i'm right and they both are red, ofc assuming we both still be alive by then

Btw, can you explain your townread on them?

No, I know it’s singleball. I was just explaining my meta on that to you - which btw, is 100% verifiable, if you think I’m making this up.

I do townread those slots and have no knowledge of their alignment. Why don’t you do a metacheck on me then? I obviously mention this because what I’m saying to you here, is confirmable by meta.

Ftr, I would be very surprised if either slot flips red. I can only be 100% sure about ours obviously. I should probably use the word townlean over read, I suppose, because there are slots I have a stronger read on but rn, I think both of them are likely town.

[DrewVa]

Lol no I wasn't, D is just mad. I can link past games (COMPLETED) D will do anything as scum, nothing out of range tbh.

But ok, let's hear some cases as to how on earth that slot is town.

If you guys are actually town here, then Auro has my deepest sympathies.

[DrewVa]

Even more concerning is how Auro is misrepping my meta, when he both acknowledges having not done a metacheck on me and is outright refusing to do one.

My misrep is saying that you extensively meta check other people, correct? Apologies, my belief was from personal experience with you I can't talk about.

Even if it's not your meta to extensively meta check someone before scumscusing them strongly, it's still lazy play to call Lam scum for that after I pointed out it's part of her meta. *Shrug*

Not when they appear to be open wolfing, no.

Tell me how it isn’t “lazy” for her to be saying bs, like we scumread “everybody”. Calling us “obv scum” based on what reasons? and agressively pushing for our lynch?

I didn’t do that. I just voted your slot and gave my reasons. Instead of making any effort at all to address or debunk them, her next post is demanding we be lynched.

In what world is it ever scummy to vote someone for calling you “obvscum” for no good reason?

How can any person who is either town/knows a damn thing about Mafia, ever think this way?

[DrewVa]

You townread them, but can't give any argument why they are town?

Casing early game - for either town or scumleans, isn’t my strong suit.

@DVa, want to weigh in here?

I learned the hard way, to ALWAYS consult with you first, before making any important decisions.

[DrewVa]

PLEASE stop quoting long posts. It's hell to read on mobile.

+1
Throwing a surface level townlean on S_S too.

Why is that townie?

[DrewVa]

How can any person who is either town/knows a damn thing about Mafia, ever think this way?

Cause it's Lamees. That's NAI behavior for her. I'm holding her to different standards than I hold you to.

~A

Sorry, totally unacceptable.

Don’t expect anyone else in the game to assume this. If she weren’t your hydra partner, it would obviously be different.

[DrewVa]

Why is that townie?

Joke

Okay. Btw, I expect everyone to locktown read me for posting.

[DrewVa]

I'm fine with lynching Lamees today.

Auro, sorry if you end up flipping green, but I'm not putting effort into this game to solve if lamees is going to play to scum wincon like always.

Remember that time we mislynched her where we were scum? We won that game because town knew we were playing to town wincon despite the color of lamees' flip.

Here I have the added benefit of actually being town, but frankly Auro you should just self vote so that you can make sure lamees is not alive on d2. -D

[DrewVa]

Anyone who lynches lamees gets a pass for d2 -D

[DrewVa]

Also stop discrediting her townplay, she's caught scum pretty early in my completed games with her. Her methods.

Ask yourself if you think this argument is going to convince me in particular -D

[DrewVa]

Or are you scum that is stuck with obscum lamees?

If you think I'm scum here, Auro, then you are scum.

First you try to pocket me by trying to reign in Lamees, then when for whatever reason that doesn't work, you push my slot. Remind you of anything?

Conversely, you should recognize that the amount of credit I am going to give lamees as either alignment is exactly 0 and if you wanted to not get lynched then you would have actually reigned her in rather than just pretending to do so.

You want to be town, get lamees to stop playing to scum wincon. Otherwise stop acting like a martyr just because you decided to hydra with someone who open wolfs as scum or is mislynch bait as town.

-D

[DrewVa]

I don't like this talk about "reigning someone in", if their push on you is bad, call it out with rhetoric.

You made two posts in thread saying you would talk with her and lamees then continued to push so I'm assuming those posts were pure theater and an attempted pocket while you try to rile me through her.

Lamees wants to piss me off into replacing out, so she can get lynched. She is explicitly playing to scum wincon and moreover is unenjoyable to sort. You should know better than most that I am pretty much done with bothering to sort anti-town town from anti-town scum. So if you want this to not be a 1v1, then you can self-vote and get rid of the problem player. But I am not moving off lamees ever until she is lynched. She is scum and therefore you are scum. Sorry we couldn't roll town together this time, Auro. -D

[DrewVa]

Which is exactly what you're doing, Auro. You saw the pocket wasn't working, and then you pushed independently. Tell me how this isn't the bread and butter of your scum play.

-D

[DrewVa]

Yeah, and if you were town, Auro, you would have sorted me as town by now. Instead you have given up on your attempted pocket and now you have joined lamees in pushing me. If you were town you would have re-evaluated and actually talked with lamees, but it's clear you did not actually try to rethink or try to sort my slot with her. Instead you just keep defending lamees' ate-laden shitpush when you know I will stand for exactly none of her play.

I know you have trouble dealing with Nancy but you are talking with me. If you think I am scum do you think I instigate a 1v1 with you on a hydra? Give me a fucking break Auro. You should have me as locktown and you should be working with lamees on her read. That you're not but pretending to do so says you are scum looking for towncred. This is lamees' scumgame to a T and this is your scumgame to a T. And you know that's true. -D

[DrewVa]

VOTE: end the day

THANK YOU

Now if everyone can twilight vote drewva we'll be in a good spot as town, lynching scum day 1 helps in the long run.

We’re town. Why is there always at least one scummy maroon in every game I play?

[DrewVa]

You made two posts in thread saying you would talk with her and lamees then continued to push so I'm assuming those posts were pure theater and an attempted pocket while you try to rile me through her.

Either I pocket or rile you up, since I'm a Hydra.
If our great scumplan was to pocket you, she would've stopped posting.
If our plan was to rile you up, I'd not ask her to back off from the 1v1, I'd just keep pushing you independently myself

~A

Logic101. Town lean.

You’re townleaning your own slot? Priceless, for everything else, there’s MasterCard.

[DrewVa]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77824

cheeky was lurker scum

:lol

It would help if you actually linked a game where I was lurking as scum you derphead.

I still think you're scum, your pushes are terrible.

~ C

That’s never AI for Nero. ISO Nero/Sugar Cane in Necromancer, if you want a good idea of how he plays as scum.

[DrewVa]

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

ok get lynched auro -d

[DrewVa]

Instead you just keep defending lamees' ate-laden shitpush when you know I will stand for exactly none of her play.

Her push isn't scum-indicative, which you're painting it to be, and defending against the PL your slot was advocating was much higher on my priorities than talking to her about your slot. I said our vote was still on UL, that was something I could've handled later as well.

I'll also note that you, knowing Lamees' play, began to advocate the PL on her *after* she scumread your slot.

~A

How are you not scum here, when you keep misrepping us?

What I said, is IF I couldn’t figure out who I scumread, I would vote a PL over a NL.

Town!Auro would put a lot more effort into sorting us and not dismiss my valid converns. The most suspicious part was when I asked you why you thought my pushes were scummy as opposed to just wrong and your only response was, that’s the game or words to that effect.

And your continued ridiculous defense of your hydra partner and the susbsequent shading on us for presumably “ignoring” her meta, is stupid af. Why couldn’t scum!you, use this as some kind of gambit, to allow her to contune to open wolf and get townread for it? If you seriously can’t see how this could even be a possibility, something is, really off with your slot.

[DrewVa]

then again there's multiple people in this game i'd have zero qualms about dying asap

~m

I’m not currently sr you, so thanks but no thanks, I would prefer to try to lynch scum.

[DrewVa]

Maybe the part where you think me saying she is scum is a pl

You wanna be town then town the fuck up. You keep thinking I will ignore lamees because I can sort you later. That is not how it works. Until you town up I am reading the sortable player. -d

[DrewVa]

How are you not scum here, when you keep misrepping us?

What I said, is IF I couldn’t figure out who I scumread, I would vote a PL over a NL.

So if you want this to not be a 1v1, then you can self-vote and get rid of the problem player. But I am not moving off lamees ever until she is lynched. She is scum and therefore you are scum.

How is this a Misrep?

~A

Lamees is either open wolfing or appearing to. You seeming to subtly go along with it by ONLY scumleaning us and not take a stand against her behaviour, is pinging tf out of both of us and we are not okay with her continued over the top scummy pushes on us. If you’re actually town here, you would try to reign her in and stop apologizing for her super scummy push on us.

Pro tip, once we die, guess who’ll be the #1 scumspect? Did you guess you? If you don’t want people to make that kind of association, then call her tf off.

I’m really sorry if you’re actually town here but it is ludicrously absurd for you to expect us to continue to put up with this and just roll over.

We’re voting you, mainly because of HER.

If she has some kind of obsession with DVa or something? It certainly looks that way to me. Maybe that is why DVa is a lot less chill about it than I am. I think Lamees has something personal against her.

[DrewVa]

ok

the nancydrew hydra is town

town will win this

also im going to bed

so good night

i love you all
you are all the best

xoxoxoxoxo

~Max

<3

[DrewVa]

Lamees is either open wolfing or appearing to. You seeming to subtly go along with it by ONLY scumleaning us and not take a stand against her behaviour, is pinging tf out of both of us and we are not okay with her continued over the top scummy pushes on us. If you’re actually town here, you would try to reign her in and stop apologizing for her super scummy push on us.

Pro tip, once we die, guess who’ll be the #1 scumspect? Did you guess you? If you don’t want people to make that kind of association, then call her tf off.

I told ya, I moved our vote off you and she listened.
I'm not going to make her "shut up".

We are never moving our vote off of you, unless she stops so, I’m taking that as a “no”.

[DrewVa]

I told ya, I moved our vote off you and she listened.
I'm not going to make her "shut up".

No instead you're letting her set the tone and agenda of your hydra. You were townreading our slot and then you flipped your read because I responded aggressively to her push. So maybe stand up for your own reads or stop blaming us for you not being obvtown here -d

[DrewVa]

How are you not scum here, when you keep misrepping us?

What I said, is IF I couldn’t figure out who I scumread, I would vote a PL over a NL.

So if you want this to not be a 1v1, then you can self-vote and get rid of the problem player. But I am not moving off lamees ever until she is lynched. She is scum and therefore you are scum.

How is this a Misrep?

This is pretty concerning.

Ask your partner that. Why is she so obsessed with DVa?

[DrewVa]

I told ya, I moved our vote off you and she listened.
I'm not going to make her "shut up".

No instead you're letting her set the tone and agenda of your hydra. You were townreading our slot and then you flipped your read because I responded aggressively to her push. So maybe stand up for your own reads or stop blaming us for you not being obvtown here -d

Stop being so scummy Auro.

[DrewVa]

You were townreading our slot

When?

~A

You began with a townread while accepting you refuse to sort me correctly most games, disliked nancy pushing ram, and then decided I wouldn't respond aggressively to nancy shitcasing me which is laughable. so basically you are letting lamees push set the agenda of your hydra rn, because for as "hard as I am to sort" you correctly townread me every game then inevitably flip your read for shitty reasons so if you're unwilling to get better at reading me I find it absurd you think I would keep giving you a pass. Play better or die as scum. Make a choice -d

[DrewVa]

i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?

Having no votes in the main thread is a mechanic I think scum would be aware of.
Scum *could* make a vote nonetheless, but read her posts after that - it's clear she didn't know that votes weren't counted on the main thread.
Of course, it's possible she could be faking it, but I think it's likelier she's town.

~Auro

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

It's mentioned in the setup and yet DVa didn't know that.
It's likelier for town in this scenario not to have read the setup properly and not know that public votes aren't counted.
It's less likely for scum to not know, IMO -- Making your slot likely town.

This is an early read, subject to change if there's stronger evidence.

~Auro

Your unwillingness to commit here is lazy and scummy even if at this point you were right

Are you too lazy to read your own iso? Just because you were noncommital does not mean you did not state the read. lampshading your own flip does not make it better -d

[DrewVa]

You said likely town twice and those were your firstreads

You also keep scumcasing me every game if I do not townread you immediately which has also gotten quite dull

Don't want to be scumread for being wrong? Then stop expecting me to always townread you when you are unwilling to commit to good reads -d

[DrewVa]

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

It's mentioned in the setup and yet DVa didn't know that.
It's likelier for town in this scenario not to have read the setup properly and not know that public votes aren't counted.
It's less likely for scum to not know, IMO -- Making your slot likely town.

This is an early read, subject to change if there's stronger evidence.

~Auro

Your assumption that not reading the game post is towny is unfounded.

It's a bit more nuanced than that.
Not reading the game post isn't inherently towny, I agree.
Scum would have more likely been aware of some of the important mechanics, private votes being one.
Therefore if a slot wasn't aware of that mechanic, it's likelier town than scum.
And at an early stage, fine to toss into a town pool.

Show me, specifically where I ever began with a townread. I was always scumleaning your slot and even more so now, but the reason I didn't want to VOTE you was because there were other people better at reading your slot, and I reasoned you'd sort yourself over time.

I don't care about my abilities at reading you at the moment. Stop the whole "townread me or you're scum" thing.

~A

[DrewVa]

Lamees is either open wolfing or appearing to. You seeming to subtly go along with it by ONLY scumleaning us and not take a stand against her behaviour, is pinging tf out of both of us and we are not okay with her continued over the top scummy pushes on us. If you’re actually town here, you would try to reign her in and stop apologizing for her super scummy push on us.

Pro tip, once we die, guess who’ll be the #1 scumspect? Did you guess you? If you don’t want people to make that kind of association, then call her tf off.

I told ya, I moved our vote off you and she listened.
I'm not going to make her "shut up".

Show me, specifically where I ever began with a townread. I was always scumleaning your slot and even more so now, but the reason I didn't want to VOTE you was because there were other people better at reading your slot, and I reasoned you'd sort yourself over time.

I don't care about my abilities at reading you at the moment. Stop the whole "townread me or you're scum" thing.

~A

[DrewVa]

anyways

im actually caught up now.

reads are all over the place, but will discuss w/ nev and get back to this thread asap.

i have a few townreads so thats a plus!

xoxo

going to bed for real.

~m

btw if it makes you feel better, nancy/dva, i you got my vote regarding thanos slot without a doubt in regards to a lynch. i will get my bff on board because he has my back

DVa and me are really frustrated with their unwillingness to act townie and have given up beating a dead horse and banging our heads, against a brick wall. \_0_/

[DrewVa]

You also keep scumcasing me every game if I do not townread you immediately which has also gotten quite dull

Don't want to be scumread for being wrong? Then stop expecting me to always townread you when you are unwilling to commit to good reads

There's a difference between "good" and "correct" -- even if my early townlean based on a townslip was "correct", it was nowhere near to "good". No good player commits to those.

You're shifting the goalposts. Also, no, I don't scumcase you because you don't townread me.

~A

No, that would be your partner.

[DrewVa]

Lamees is either open wolfing or appearing to. You seeming to subtly go along with it by ONLY scumleaning us and not take a stand against her behaviour, is pinging tf out of both of us and we are not okay with her continued over the top scummy pushes on us. If you’re actually town here, you would try to reign her in and stop apologizing for her super scummy push on us.

Pro tip, once we die, guess who’ll be the #1 scumspect? Did you guess you? If you don’t want people to make that kind of association, then call her tf off.

I told ya, I moved our vote off you and she listened.
I'm not going to make her "shut up".

Show me, specifically where I ever began with a townread. I was always scumleaning your slot and even more so now, but the reason I didn't want to VOTE you was because there were other people better at reading your slot, and I reasoned you'd sort yourself over time.

I don't care about my abilities at reading you at the moment. Stop the whole "townread me or you're scum" thing.

~A

What are you trying to show? In the top post I said I moved our vote off you after Lam voted there and Lamees listened, and in the bottom explained why I didn't want to vote for your slot.

~A

You basically said, we can continue to take more crap from her, which is why we’re not moving our vote.

[DrewVa]

No, that would be your partner.

DVa was saying that *I* scumcase her because she doesn't townread me.

~A

I - Nancy - not ignoring the motherfucking elephant in the room - is calling out your bluff here. You’re partner called us “obvscum” for merely mentioning having any suspiciouns whatsoever on your slot, then when we voted you, she immediately called for our lynch.

And your unwillingness to give us any reassurance that she will stop this bs, is WHY we are never unvoting you. What part of what I’m telling you, is failing to sink in?

[DrewVa]

You basically said, we can continue to take more crap from her, which is why we’re not moving our vote.

If "acting townie" is to force Lamees to stop playing the game, and anything else is scummy, then sure, go ahead. I'd rather get out of the game than make Lamees stop playing, considering she's already letting me decide the vote.

~A

It’s your call but don’t either one of you, either scumread or object to our vote on you then.

You are tying our hands here. Okay, I’m done. Go on with your bad selves then.

[DrewVa]

If "acting townie" is to force Lamees to stop playing the game, and anything else is scummy, then sure, go ahead. I'd rather get out of the game than make Lamees stop playing, considering she's already letting me decide the vote.

I don't care that I have your vote because I failed to "reign in" Lamees. I already said our vote is elsewhere.

Once we flip, tho, you don't get to say "Oh, they were playing scummy!", What Lam is doing she's done all the time as town. I'd ask the other players to read out interactions post flip and look at the strawmanning that's been going on

~A

3-way hydra?

[DrewVa]

If "acting townie" is to force Lamees to stop playing the game, and anything else is scummy, then sure, go ahead. I'd rather get out of the game than make Lamees stop playing, considering she's already letting me decide the vote.

I don't care that I have your vote because I failed to "reign in" Lamees. I already said our vote is elsewhere.

Once we flip, tho, you don't get to say "Oh, they were playing scummy!", What Lam is doing she's done all the time as town. I'd ask the other players to read out interactions post flip and look at the strawmanning that's been going on

~A

Whatever you are in this game, you’re your own worst enemy.

[DrewVa]

Anyway I don't think there is much more to say on this, auro likes arguing so he might continue to wall post back and forth with drewva, but I am done since too much accusations of obsession and stuff coming up (WTF LOL). Also don't like seeing thanos vs drewva because every post has my name in it and kinda feels spammmy. So Everyone is free to make their votes and opinions how they want to about thanos vs drewva, I am fine either way and will not call you stupid or rage etc. Town me is 100% ok getting lynched. So we can end day or move on to other more interesting cases.

-lamees

Ironically. the lamees portion of this Auro vomit spew, is the only part worth reading.

[DrewVa]

Your joke was a comment about me replacing out in an ongoing game when you are in a hydra with another player in that game. You explicitly broke site rules and I was not joking when I said your slot should be force replaced. I stopped caring about your alignment at that point because auro has done the exact same fucking thing to me and it fucked up that game too. That you do not get how not okay that is makes me uninterested in keeping you alive. I kinda have considered the possibility that you are town so maybe that confuses you but it literally does not matter if you are going to insult me about something where if I respond to it I get modkilled. I am already reporting you -d

[DrewVa]

What she does *looks* scummy. It isn't scum-indicative for her, DVa. You know this.

False. Lamees is always scum, particularly when she gets green in her role pm. -D

Ok typical DVa to blow this way out of proportion. Inb4 rage quit the game again lol. Jk.

It's just a scum read. We are allowed that right? Chill.

I am never scummy btw. Always obvtown. Check all my past games.

-lamees

[DrewVa]

Yo, don’t talk about ongoing games.

Now to move on to the recent accusations which I found weird:

This line, where is now appealing to emotion/playing the victim:
In post 1590, DrewVa wrote:
In post 1582, Thanos wrote:
I don't like this talk about "reigning someone in", if their push on you is bad, call it out with rhetoric.

Lamees wants to piss me off into replacing out, so she can get lynched.


But how can one be so contradicting when this post was made just a few minutes before????
In post 1545, DrewVa wrote:
In post 1543, Thanos wrote:
Inb4 rage quit the game again lol. Jk.


@mod this player is talking about an ongoing game and I insist they be force replaced.

How's that for proportion lamees?


So as we can see here, attempted to get me out of the game but claimed it's vice versa. Hmmmmmmm??????? Also I just made a joke, there was no link or mention of on going game. This is just a hint at my meta read from what little exp I have playing with the slot, and also I have been joking around a lot this day 1, especially with the end day thing (yes I know you cannot end the day only the four players). ~ Auro /Thanos

[DrewVa]

@RCE, it’s both mine and DVa’s ftr.

~Nancy

[DrewVa]

Are your reads arbitrary and we should just not listen to them anyways?

Weak Pseudo RVS "reads" based off something really small? Yeah, I'd say don't really listen to them. I don't even remember who I threw into the "town pool" from all those people.

~A

I.e. his early reads were political. -d

[DrewVa]

Yo, don’t talk about ongoing games.

Now to move on to the recent accusations which I found weird:

This line, where is now appealing to emotion/playing the victim:
In post 1590, DrewVa wrote:
In post 1582, Thanos wrote:
I don't like this talk about "reigning someone in", if their push on you is bad, call it out with rhetoric.

Lamees wants to piss me off into replacing out, so she can get lynched.


But how can one be so contradicting when this post was made just a few minutes before????
In post 1545, DrewVa wrote:
In post 1543, Thanos wrote:
Inb4 rage quit the game again lol. Jk.


@mod this player is talking about an ongoing game and I insist they be force replaced.

How's that for proportion lamees?


So as we can see here, attempted to get me out of the game but claimed it's vice versa. Hmmmmmmm??????? Also I just made a joke, there was no link or mention of on going game. This is just a hint at my meta read from what little exp I have playing with the slot, and also I have been joking around a lot this day 1, especially with the end day thing (yes I know you cannot end the day only the four players). ~ Lamees /Thanos

I didn't write that post, Lamees did, and signed it as well. What's up?

~A

Okay, corrected. Your hydra partner disregarded the mod’s directive, to not continue to discuss ongoing games. If you don’t want to reign her in even when she’s flagrantly breaking the rules, it’s going to bite you. by association.

And I apologize for saying “Auro vomit spew,” it should say, Lamees vomit spew. The fact is your partner is out of control and is scumreading us for personal reasons, because of some non-game related issues with DVa and that’s not okay.

I’m truly sorry, you’re stuck in the middle of this nonsense but you nevertheless are by virtue of hydraing with her.

[DrewVa]

Okay, corrected. Your hydra partner disregarded the mod’s directive, to not continue to discuss ongoing games. If you don’t want to reign her in even when she’s flagrantly breaking the rules, it’s going to bite you. by association.

And I apologize for saying “Auro vomit spew,” it should say, Lamees vomit spew. The fact is your partner is out of control and is scumreading us for personal reasons, because of some non-game related issues with DVa and that’s not okay.

I’m truly sorry, you’re stuck in the middle of this nonsense but you nevertheless are by virtue of hydraing with her.

She says it's informed by personal history and I don't think she referred to any ongoing game; but that's my personal opinion and Lam is happy to discuss it with the mods. *shrug*
Thing is, while she is scumreading you for whatever reasons, our vote isn't on you, so there's a lot of time to hash it out.
There's more to her scumread; but it's irrelevant at the moment. Given that I'm in control of the vote, this is fine, right?
I do feel like we're cluttering up the thread, can we hunt elsewhere for now, Nancy?

~A

Fine, it’s very trying on one’s patience, when your dealing with one hydra head acting unacceptably and you mistakenly diect that frustration on the wrong head. :/

Okay, done for now.

[DrewVa]

Fine, it’s very trying on one’s patience, when your dealing with one hydra head acting unacceptably and you mistakenly diect that frustration on the wrong head. :/

I've direct experience playing against that head before and can understand the sentiment.
I've seen her keep getting mislynched for it, too, which is why I stress that she does this as town too and isn't scum-indicative.

Now, one thing that bothered me -- Max's last two posts looked a bit like a pocketing attempt to me. What do you think?

~A

Maybe? I wasn’t trying to lead a wagon on you, just because we made a single vote. We honestly don’t know where to vote and the pl thing, is just a lesser of 2 evils to a no lynch.

I tr most of their ISO. I didn’t read it as necessarily scummy. They don’t seem invested enough in the game to even bother with a pocket, so I really don’t know what to make of it.

[DrewVa]

Im inclined to back Thanos here. Hydra dissonance at least of this sense is towny. It’s why I town read Nancy’s hydra early in DND Upick.

It is possible. Who do you think is a better vote rn gamma? -d

[DrewVa]

Which is exactly what you're doing, Auro. You saw the pocket wasn't working, and then you pushed independently. Tell me how this isn't the bread and butter of your scum play.

Because if I was scum, and pocketing was the strategy, Lamees would listen to me and not post, making the pocket potentially more effective.

You're alleging that I and Lam are playing to different strategies as scum without an agenda where I want to pocket you and she wants to rile you up.

My defense is that I'm more meticulous as scum to not coordinate with my Hydra partner enough to pull off a strategy.

~A

Im inclined to back Thanos here. Hydra dissonance at least of this sense is towny. It’s why I town read Nancy’s hydra early in DND Upick.

Maybe.

Well, then why tf did you roleblock us then?

[DrewVa]

Im inclined to back Thanos here. Hydra dissonance at least of this sense is towny. It’s why I town read Nancy’s hydra early in DND Upick.

It is possible. Who do you think is a better vote rn gamma? -d

I’m open to suggestions.

[DrewVa]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

There’s no “team” involving us. We are still tr Gamma, so. get a freaking paranoia check.

[DrewVa]

Which is exactly what you're doing, Auro. You saw the pocket wasn't working, and then you pushed independently. Tell me how this isn't the bread and butter of your scum play.

Because if I was scum, and pocketing was the strategy, Lamees would listen to me and not post, making the pocket potentially more effective.

You're alleging that I and Lam are playing to different strategies as scum without an agenda where I want to pocket you and she wants to rile you up.

My defense is that I'm more meticulous as scum to not coordinate with my Hydra partner enough to pull off a strategy.

~A

Im inclined to back Thanos here. Hydra dissonance at least of this sense is towny. It’s why I town read Nancy’s hydra early in DND Upick.

Maybe.

Well, then why tf did you roleblock us then?

Math’s tunnel soured the read (mind the early included in my statement)

You obviously aren’t familiar with Math’s meta. Death tunneling on town, is a massive towntell for him.

[DrewVa]

I wanna be the President.

I wanna be a millionaire, so freakin bad.

I want to be someplace warm. I hate winter. :/

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

Yeah it’s suspicious. I think TLK may have freaked out about being suspected in association. Not sure why though because the last time I got that feeling, 1) the person was Town and 2) it was White Flag and this isn’t unless Boon doesn’t think that bears mentioning. So the logic is shaky to start with and the motive is not yet apparent.
As for my team preparing to sacrifice me lol no, if I was the fall guy I’d probably have more traction, and if it were normal voting mechanics I’d be lynched. For a solid example of a game where I was the designated bus go read Mini 1911. That was STRUCTURED.

It's pretty obvious that you aren't designated fall guy, you named it - no traction, but DrewVa and TLK looks like preparing WCS, if I get you lynched, so they won't be turbolynched after your red flip

Anyway, what's your opinion about TLK being so passive despite fact that he's leading wagon? He don't challenge people on his wagon, he don't try push me anymore, he don't try push you either

This sounds like town!Gamma to me. In Overkill 2, scum!Gamma was over the top OMGUSSY, defensive and self-centric in addition to posting things that don’t tend to make a lot of sense. He doesn’t respond like this as scum. I’m feeling more confident about our read on him after his most recent responses to you. As for TLK, as FL stated in the signup thread, he’s a forum newb. Therefore, I obviously have no meta with him. I’m not currently sr him, so I really hope he’s not a mislynch.

[DrewVa]

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you
...
It's pretty obvious that you aren't designated fall guy

Which is it Ramcius?

Both, you aren't designated fall guy, but if pressure on you becomes too strong, they are already preparing for your lynch instead of trying to save you.

So, how about you answer my question about TLK now?

Have you ever considered becoming an anchor for Fox news?

[DrewVa]

Anyway, what's your opinion about TLK being so passive despite fact that he's leading wagon? He don't challenge people on his wagon, he don't try push me anymore, he don't try push you either

TLK is just too focused on keeping up the VC. It looks like busy work if you ask me and I'm inclined to think it is not town driven busy work.

Any particular reason?

[DrewVa]

I think TLK could be frozen scum from what you described but it’s also possible he could be trying to wait out pressure
Still think what I quoted is playing both sides of the table but maybe I’ll change votes.
I don’t think you ever experessed an opinion on DrewVa versus Thanos, what do you think? Is one of them scum to you, if so which? What’s your opinion on their interactions?

Wrt to Thanos, I’m really not quite sure what to think about them anymore. Auro seems to be genuinely frustrated but Lamees still sounds really scummy to me. I’m not really sure what to make of it. DVa said to me in Discord that she thinks he’s lost his WIM and she’s currently thinking of us maybe moving our vote to Profil. I told her, that I was kind of suspicious of his Nero read because it didn’t jibe with what I know of his meta. \_0_/

[DrewVa]

Hey all, Ari head is here for once. I'm struggling to keep up but am aiming to be relevant very soon!

Wrong thread lol
It's too early.

For what? Do you not have any opinions at all on the current gamestate?

[DrewVa]

Hey all, Ari head is here for once. I'm struggling to keep up but am aiming to be relevant very soon!

Wrong thread lol
It's too early.

For what? Do you not have any opinions at all on the current gamestate?

I wanna be the President.

I wanna be a millionaire, so freakin bad.

All the above

Same question. You have contributed even less, than the other emperor.

[DrewVa]

I wanna be the President.

I wanna be a millionaire, so freakin bad.

I want to be someplace warm. I hate winter. :/

[DrewVa]

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

There’s no “team” involving us. We are still tr Gamma, so. get a freaking paranoia check.

Like scum admit they are team.

Did you managed to think any actual reason to TR him yet?

Gamma or TLK?

I feel pretty good about Gamma rn. I’m not quite sure how to read TLK, given that he’s a forum newb. I tend to be leery in general of lynching the lhf D1, because more often than not, they wind up flipping town. Due to his lack of forum experience, I’m wondering if he’s just kind of awkward town. I obviously could be wrong here but I’ve mislynched more awkward players than him, who actually did have some forum experience but FL says he’s a forum newb but not a Mafia newb, so I really couldn’t tell you. Rn, I’m leaning to maybe vote flippy, since he hasn’t done anything so far.

[DrewVa]

Can we have a list of lurkers? I personally would rather just lynch them, unless they start posting. It's likely that active posters easily attract votes.

~A

I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti

How does voting a lurker constitute a policy lynch? Lurking is the best way for scum to hide. isn’t it?

If you mean a complete lurker, than I see your point but if they actually have made a few posts and said virtually nothing involving scumhunting, then I don’t necessarily see why that’s a terrible vote?

[DrewVa]

Gamma or TLK?

I feel pretty good about Gamma rn. I’m not quite sure how to read TLK, given that he’s a forum newb. I tend to be leery in general of lynching the lhf D1, because more often than not, they wind up flipping town. Due to his lack of forum experience, I’m wondering if he’s just kind of awkward town. I obviously could be wrong here but I’ve mislynched more awkward players than him, who actually did have some forum experience but FL says he’s a forum newb but not a Mafia newb, so I really couldn’t tell you. Rn, I’m leaning to maybe vote flippy, since he hasn’t done anything so far.

Let's PL lurker, what a great idea

Do you know what a PL even means? And I was only referring to our vote btw. Flippy hasn’t made a single game-reated post - unless of course, you qualify threatening to vote to end the day prematurely as “game related”. Not a single read, so I don’t see why that’s such a horrible vote.

[DrewVa]

P.edit. I honestly don’t KNOW who to vote for. Would you prefer we don’t vote at all? ENG, at least gave the impression, they plan to do something, Nippy looks like they’re just proging.

[DrewVa]

Drewva you are clearly voting thanos despite saying you're unsure who to vote. You've got to be kidding me. This is according to pg 69 vc from TLK.
Also, I dread winter too. The people who advertise it as one of the or the happiest time of the year, I never believe it .

TLK, I think it's alright if you cant update anymore until 12/28 deadline. Not much happening anyway, unfortunately.

Vote stays on alonzo as his posts keep up with continued nonsense about us. I don't hide as any alignment, and my partner doesn't either afaik.

I'm reading thanos v drewva interaction on pg 66 as TvS, in that order. However, knowing both of them can be very verbose and ultra conniving, I wouldn't rule out SvS. Leaning TvS rn , however.

Feeling like GE & Ramicus are probably town for their posts about drewva and alonzo.

PenguinPower, man....are you town

AC, where have you gone??

~ P

When we voted Thanos, we WERE sr them, so you’re trying to shade us for that is bs. If you’re going to sr us, you need to come up with a much better reason than that.

[DrewVa]

Im inclined to back Thanos here. Hydra dissonance at least of this sense is towny. It’s why I town read Nancy’s hydra early in DND Upick.

It is possible. Who do you think is a better vote rn gamma? -d

I’m open to suggestions.

Spoiler:

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

Yeah it’s suspicious. I think TLK may have freaked out about being suspected in association. Not sure why though because the last time I got that feeling, 1) the person was Town and 2) it was White Flag and this isn’t unless Boon doesn’t think that bears mentioning. So the logic is shaky to start with and the motive is not yet apparent.
As for my team preparing to sacrifice me lol no, if I was the fall guy I’d probably have more traction, and if it were normal voting mechanics I’d be lynched. For a solid example of a game where I was the designated bus go read Mini 1911. That was STRUCTURED.

It's pretty obvious that you aren't designated fall guy, you named it - no traction, but DrewVa and TLK looks like preparing WCS, if I get you lynched, so they won't be turbolynched after your red flip

Anyway, what's your opinion about TLK being so passive despite fact that he's leading wagon? He don't challenge people on his wagon, he don't try push me anymore, he don't try push you either

This sounds like town!Gamma to me. In Overkill 2, scum!Gamma was over the top OMGUSSY, defensive and self-centric in addition to posting things that don’t tend to make a lot of sense. He doesn’t respond like this as scum. I’m feeling more confident about our read on him after his most recent responses to you. As for TLK, as FL stated in the signup thread, he’s a forum newb. Therefore, I obviously have no meta with him. I’m not currently sr him, so I really hope he’s not a mislynch.

I think TLK could be frozen scum from what you described but it’s also possible he could be trying to wait out pressure
Still think what I quoted is playing both sides of the table but maybe I’ll change votes.
I don’t think you ever experessed an opinion on DrewVa versus Thanos, what do you think? Is one of them scum to you, if so which? What’s your opinion on their interactions?

Wrt to Thanos, I’m really not quite sure what to think about them anymore. Auro seems to be genuinely frustrated but Lamees still sounds really scummy to me. I’m not really sure what to make of it. DVa said to me in Discord that she thinks he’s lost his WIM and she’s currently thinking of us maybe moving our vote to Profil. I told her, that I was kind of suspicious of his Nero read because it didn’t jibe with what I know of his meta. \_0_/

I think a drewva lynch would benefit town more than any other lynch btw

Any particular reason you don't want Gamma lynch? His red flip would incriminate TLK

Also, want to point out that Gamma and I haven't really addressed each other, so your flimsy guilt by association attempts are just getting bad at this point.

This is a lie, I have stated a TLK townread
Kinda doubting that because of this though

Isn't it funny how you both want me dead, refuse vote each other and TLK makes such statement?

It looks like your team is preparing to sacrifice you, DrewVa isn't backing up their gutread on you and saying there's a chance you can flip red. TLK isn't switching to you despite all resistance to my wagon, while he's still top one, but then he says he didn't addressed you yet. Tell me it's not suspicious at all

There’s no “team” involving us. We are still tr Gamma, so. get a freaking paranoia check.

Like scum admit they are team.

Did you managed to think any actual reason to TR him yet?

Gamma or TLK?

I feel pretty good about Gamma rn. I’m not quite sure how to read TLK, given that he’s a forum newb. I tend to be leery in general of lynching the lhf D1, because more often than not, they wind up flipping town. Due to his lack of forum experience, I’m wondering if he’s just kind of awkward town. I obviously could be wrong here but I’ve mislynched more awkward players than him, who actually did have some forum experience but FL says he’s a forum newb but not a Mafia newb, so I really couldn’t tell you. Rn, I’m leaning to maybe vote flippy, since he hasn’t done anything so far.

Gamma or TLK?

I feel pretty good about Gamma rn. I’m not quite sure how to read TLK, given that he’s a forum newb. I tend to be leery in general of lynching the lhf D1, because more often than not, they wind up flipping town. Due to his lack of forum experience, I’m wondering if he’s just kind of awkward town. I obviously could be wrong here but I’ve mislynched more awkward players than him, who actually did have some forum experience but FL says he’s a forum newb but not a Mafia newb, so I really couldn’t tell you. Rn, I’m leaning to maybe vote flippy, since he hasn’t done anything so far.

Let's PL lurker, what a great idea

Do you know what a PL even means? And I was only referring to our vote btw. Flippy hasn’t made a single game-reated post - unless of course, you qualify threatening to vote to end the day prematurely as “game related”. Not a single read, so I don’t see why that’s such a horrible vote.

P.edit. I honestly don’t KNOW who to vote for. Would you prefer we don’t vote at all? ENG, at least gave the impression, they plan to do something, Nippy looks like they’re just proging.

Drewva you are clearly voting thanos despite saying you're unsure who to vote. You've got to be kidding me. This is according to pg 69 vc from TLK.
Also, I dread winter too. The people who advertise it as one of the or the happiest time of the year, I never believe it .

TLK, I think it's alright if you cant update anymore until 12/28 deadline. Not much happening anyway, unfortunately.

Vote stays on alonzo as his posts keep up with continued nonsense about us. I don't hide as any alignment, and my partner doesn't either afaik.

I'm reading thanos v drewva interaction on pg 66 as TvS, in that order. However, knowing both of them can be very verbose and ultra conniving, I wouldn't rule out SvS. Leaning TvS rn , however.

Feeling like GE & Ramicus are probably town for their posts about drewva and alonzo.

PenguinPower, man....are you town

AC, where have you gone??

~ P

When we voted Thanos, we WERE sr them, so you’re trying to shade us for that is bs. If you’re going to sr us, you need to come up with a much better reason than that.

[/spoiler]

I don’t think I like how Performer is mischaracterizing our posts, when it’s blatantly clear to ANYONE, who doesn’t have reading comprehension issues that we are ACTIVELY trying to figure out who to vote for. Ramicius criticised our thoughts about that but unlike YOU, he didn’t mischaracterize it.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: CheekyDancer

Their shade on us, is a blatant mischaracterization. Performer is deliberately ignoring that we were clearly thinking of changing our vote and falsely implying otherwise.

[DrewVa]

Drewva you are clearly voting thanos despite saying you're unsure who to vote. You've got to be kidding me. This is according to pg 69 vc from TLK.
Also, I dread winter too. The people who advertise it as one of the or the happiest time of the year, I never believe it .

TLK, I think it's alright if you cant update anymore until 12/28 deadline. Not much happening anyway, unfortunately.

Vote stays on alonzo as his posts keep up with continued nonsense about us. I don't hide as any alignment, and my partner doesn't either afaik.

I'm reading thanos v drewva interaction on pg 66 as TvS, in that order. However, knowing both of them can be very verbose and ultra conniving, I wouldn't rule out SvS. Leaning TvS rn , however.

Feeling like GE & Ramicus are probably town for their posts about drewva and alonzo.

PenguinPower, man....are you town

AC, where have you gone??

~ P

It's almost like the votecount isn't actually useful.

While we our being upfront about our vote, there are probably some slots that are misrepping their actual votes in the confessional but we’ll find that out D2, if the votes aren’t adding up.

I think any kind of VC is better than nothing. Like what’s the alternative, a Hurt tag analysis?

[DrewVa]

i said i was voting Theta Alpine, the votecount missed it.
it's fine.
if anyone's still saying that's scum busywork they can fight me when i'm back on christmas day. that's a lame argument. it's a neutral action.
~Chara

I tend to agree. I tend to view scum busywork as more hidden. I’m not sure if this is the best example but scum!Bujaber in Overkill 2, making numerous hedgey contradictory reads, might be an example of this? I can’t really think of anything like that in this game, unless you want to include Thanos but the difference being, that Auro seems somewhat genuine to me in his reaction to Lameesgate, which is why we started doubting our read on them.

[DrewVa]

i said i was voting Theta Alpine, the votecount missed it.
it's fine.
if anyone's still saying that's scum busywork they can fight me when i'm back on christmas day. that's a lame argument. it's a neutral action.
~Chara

I tend to agree. I tend to view scum busywork as more hidden. I’m not sure if this is the best example but scum!Bujaber in Overkill 2, making numerous hedgey contradictory reads, might be an example of this? I can’t really think of anything like that in this game, unless you want to include Thanos but the difference being, that Auro seems somewhat genuine to me in his reaction to Lameesgate, which is why we started doubting our read on them.

Not contradictory or hedgey.

Before anyone jumps down our throats, I was specifically referring to the whole busywork idea.

[DrewVa]

@AC, wrt to Theta, I’m currently nullreading them.

[DrewVa]

i said i was voting Theta Alpine, the votecount missed it.
it's fine.
if anyone's still saying that's scum busywork they can fight me when i'm back on christmas day. that's a lame argument. it's a neutral action.
~Chara

Agreed it's a neutral action that doesn't serve the town. And basing townreads off of it is asinine.

Either is.

Btw, did you notice how Performer just happened to thrown in TLK’s “I hate winter too” comment, as if to somehow link us, without actually commenting on it? I found that really weird.

[DrewVa]

i said i was voting Theta Alpine, the votecount missed it.
it's fine.
if anyone's still saying that's scum busywork they can fight me when i'm back on christmas day. that's a lame argument. it's a neutral action.
~Chara

Agreed it's a neutral action that doesn't serve the town. And basing townreads off of it is asinine.

Either is.

Btw, did you notice how Performer just happened to thrown in TLK’s “I hate winter too” comment, as if to somehow link us, without actually commenting on it? I found that really weird.

Disregard this. That was Performer who said this, not TLK. I thought TLK had somehow added that to his VC and I somehow missed it.

And Performer, don’t ignore this post too.

[DrewVa]

Drewva you are clearly voting thanos despite saying you're unsure who to vote. You've got to be kidding me. This is according to pg 69 vc from TLK.
Also, I dread winter too. The people who advertise it as one of the or the happiest time of the year, I never believe it .

TLK, I think it's alright if you cant update anymore until 12/28 deadline. Not much happening anyway, unfortunately.

Vote stays on alonzo as his posts keep up with continued nonsense about us. I don't hide as any alignment, and my partner doesn't either afaik.

I'm reading thanos v drewva interaction on pg 66 as TvS, in that order. However, knowing both of them can be very verbose and ultra conniving, I wouldn't rule out SvS. Leaning TvS rn , however.

Feeling like GE & Ramicus are probably town for their posts about drewva and alonzo.

PenguinPower, man....are you town

AC, where have you gone??

~ P

The fact that Performer posted the bolded and not Cheeky is hella scummy. Why? Because I played with Cheeky in Overkill 1, where I was SK/scum but I have never been scum in any game with Performer. Nor have I been scum in any game he’s modded. This slot’s scum equity is growing. This is yet another misrep from Performer.

[DrewVa]

If Alonzo were to flip before CD and that flip is green, I am never unvoting this slot.

[DrewVa]

ok so this game is confusing the heck out of me with no idea on where the VCs are up to - so my approach here is to read ISOs in most posts first order, as it will get easier as the task goes on
A summary sentence on everyone will be all for now:

Drewva - Never seen either players scum game but no alarm bells here
Elsa - think I saw a town slip so cool.
RCEnigma - this iso is a bit of a slow burner. interesting, maybe looking to see if town is going to mislynch itself kind of vibe
Gamma - I think he is ok but I'm not a great gamma reader tbh
Cheeky Dancer - I thought the stuff about the fake mason claim was genuine concern so I'll town that
Alonzo - I dunno, not a lot of meat on the bone so I'll reserve judgement for now as I don't know how to sort Alonzo well yet.
Ramicus - I don't like this slot, couple of posts I looked at that made me go 'wait wtf' so I'll probably vote here if nothing else pops up
Almost Chara - I think town, but more on the Almost part of the read as I've never played with Chara before.
Nero - not a read that's like omg this is scum we must lynch now, still a scum read, but idk, not really convincing me of town
nev and max - seems to be getting more stick than they merit I think?
Karmeleon - the towniest read so far I think
The Last Knight - not a fan of this slot, seems like trying to town
McQueen - I'm not even going to ISO this again, I was already town reading him pretty hard before I undertook this task.
Thanos - spotted a town slip
BEF - the grammar argument seems like a town thing to get involved in... but it is bef
Xtoxm - whilst acknowledging I am not a high content dude in this game, I think we are entering into the 'post more please' section of analysis. This slot is the first one, albeit minor scum ping here.
Something_smart - I kinda liked the self vote in the context of it's not actually a vote. Although SS said he didn't do it for that reason, I still lol'd - acknowledging he said he is busy, sympathy as I am too
Dave - slight town lean but early days.
ultimate liars - I definitely can't read Koki and what is Tsumigi
Both Emporers, theta - post more



I think that's your lot - If I missed anyone I blame the alt slippers :p

reflecting back on that - voting TLK

Why are you still scumreading Nero?

Definitely don’t agree with Karm being the towniest so far, either. Idk where I’d put him rn

This post was from last Wednesday.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: The Last Knight

Why TLK over Ramicius?

Answering for someone else, but applies to me rn:

Not sure about Ram atm, have more concrete reasoning to place a vote on TLK (haven’t done so yet btw)

Also would be up for profii lynch as of this post. Nero pretty obvtown and others agree, yet he keeps his scumread on him

100% Agree on Nero.

[DrewVa]

If Alonzo were to flip before CD and that flip is green, I am never unvoting this slot.

Did someone say bBeetlejuice?

Not intentionally.

Spoiler:

If anyone can invent an anti-beetlejuice for Cerb, I’d definitely be interested.

[DrewVa]

You want me lynched, yet you do nothing to get people on my wagon

lets lynch in

2. Ultimate Liars (Kokichi /Hebichan)
8. Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer)
9. Theta Alpine
10. Elsa Jay
17. Ramcius
19. Emperor flippyNips
21. Emperors New Groove
22. RCEnigma

ok with any of the slots I listed earlier. Of those Ram is the only one with a wagon on him.

already changed my vote dear.

let's not get off target and lynch Ram

There's not really anything I can do besides advocate your lynch and call you scum. If I was a daycop I'd have targeted you a long time ok.

And i'm not interested in your lynch, but if vig takes you out, i'd be grateful

this comes from town never.

Also why Emperors and UL? SS, Dave and Theta have similar amount of posts

I mentioned Theta a few pages ago and just b/c I didn't remention her doesn't mean anything has changed. When you scum hunt (which you aren't doing btw) you have to make judgment calls based on content and/or meta. I just remember nodding along with SS and Dave isn't an easy read for me. I don't even know if I've played with scum him before but he just always seems so low impact and lurky. His dead null.

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

if you have concerns about my play, you can ask me directly

Why do one thing per post when I can do many?

Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.

Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?

~ C

I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.

Spoiler:

As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic

[DrewVa]

Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations

so why first one is better than second?

If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition

Nero is obvtown.

[DrewVa]

I keep attempting to edit multiple of DrewVa’s posts for easier reading with spoilers, but every time I try some weird stuff happens, and then it keeps breaking the post entirely. I’ve tried, guys. I feel like they’re trolling me.

What?

No, the only place we’re trolling you, is in the confessional.

[DrewVa]

First off, I tend to always overestimate town and underestimate scum. So this post will be full of tinfoil and WIFOM stuff but it's where my fish head is at right now

The hidden vote system hurts both town and scum but I think it makes it a little harder for scum in the long term. They can't just sheep somewhere in the middle of a wagon and say "oops" when the lynched player flips town. They has less excuses to use the following day after a mislynch.

So this is the list of people who have made their votes public. It's around 50% or the player list. So going on that sample size, statistically speaking I would suspect at least 50% of scum to have done the same, so I would say in this list there are at least 2-3 scum.

Something_Smart
RCEnigma
Elsa Jay
profii
Karmeleon
Ramcius
Emperors New Groove
DrewVa
Gamma Emerald
The Last Knight
Nero Cain
Nev and Max

I have switched my vote 3-4 times so far this game and all of the people that I have voted are in this list. So that makes me think my reads are going places. If you have ISO's me then you can probably find my top scumreads throughout the game, though some have changed and some are still developing. ANd since I am a proponent of the hidden vote system I do not wish to publicly announce my votes as of now. I wish more people would keep their votes hidden, at least for the remainder of this day so that after the lynch and any NKs we will have a solid VCA to start with come D2. Perhaps once we get into D2 and further it may make more sense to share where we are voting. But for now I will stay silent on that front.

Again, as I said to Elsa; you have every right to keep your vote hidden, but when everyone else is sharing, you’re risking a lot to not do the same.

If Overkill 2, is any indication, I would argue the converse - BEF underestimated town. He faked a guilty on Hebi and never townread us in that game.

[DrewVa]

Yeah, but the 1 time I told the truth I was town.

Seriously? You were a TOWN ninja lawyer?

I believe you, it just sounds like a really crazy setup.

[DrewVa]

@TLK you're in the bay area too? Oh man, small world.

What do you think of ENG , almost chara, dave, or alonzo?

Let me read through some ISO's and I'll get back to you. I have some inklings about these peeps so far but I want to take a better look.

Is this buddying?

Which one?

[DrewVa]

Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations

so why first one is better than second?

If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition

Why not lynch Nero lol

Nero is obvtown Gamma. Don’t make me doubt our tr on you.

[DrewVa]

ffs it was rhetorical

Okay, good then.

[DrewVa]

Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations

so why first one is better than second?

If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition

Why not lynch Nero lol

Nero is obvtown Gamma. Don’t make me doubt our tr on you.

I’d lynch him still tbh

In fact I’m gonna put my vote back on Mero

I think I confused new with scum on TDK

Something_Smart is in the running too

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77055&user_select%5B%5D=12589


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77310&user_select%5B%5D=12589



How is his play any different here?

[DrewVa]

Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?

Just saw this post quoted by someone else

I specifically said I won’t lynch you today


Still sticking with that

I’m not even on that wagon anymore.

Nero is the most obvtown player in this game, based on meta.

I was willing to give you pass for your early scumread but you shouldn’t even be considering voting him at this point.

[DrewVa]

In fact I’m gonna put my vote back on Mero

I think I confused new with scum on TDK

Something_Smart is in the running too

Btw, what specifically makes SS seem scummy to you?

They read null to me.

[DrewVa]

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore? If you don’t think I hardtunnel as town, you don’t know jack about my meta.

[DrewVa]

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore? If you don’t think I hardtunnel as town, you don’t know jack about my meta.

I admit that I have no clue about your meta, also, I want to inform you that I use only something I witnessed myself. To answer second part, I have no reason to townread either of you and your "stop tunnel us, we don't vote you anymore" sounds really funny

What’s funny about it? Are you usually this bad at Mafia?

[DrewVa]

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

No, you didn’t. I’m saying he’s not thinking logically. Why wouldn’t scum!me be voting him now?

[DrewVa]

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore? If you don’t think I hardtunnel as town, you don’t know jack about my meta.

I admit that I have no clue about your meta, also, I want to inform you that I use only something I witnessed myself. To answer second part, I have no reason to townread either of you and your "stop tunnel us, we don't vote you anymore" sounds really funny

What’s funny about it? Are you usually this bad at Mafia?

Not cool
Be nice pls

I’m trying to wake him up, because fhpov, us being scum makes no sense if he’s town and we’re not voting him.

[DrewVa]

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

No, you didn’t. I’m saying he’s not thinking logically. Why wouldn’t scum!me be voting him now?

Scum!you would know if he was scum or not.

That isn’t what I said. I said as scum, fhpov, I should definitely be voting him.

[DrewVa]

TBF, scum not voting someone that thinks they are scum is a thing. He could just be scumreading you or he could just, ya know, be scum.

I dunno, he could be I suppose but he seems more like bad town. \_0_/

Rn, Performer blatantly mischaracterizing our posts and implying he knows anything at all about how I play as scum, when he has never played with me as scum, is the scummiest thing I’ve read so far, this game.

[DrewVa]

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore? If you don’t think I hardtunnel as town, you don’t know jack about my meta.

I admit that I have no clue about your meta, also, I want to inform you that I use only something I witnessed myself. To answer second part, I have no reason to townread either of you and your "stop tunnel us, we don't vote you anymore" sounds really funny

What’s funny about it? Are you usually this bad at Mafia?

I can ask you same question. How you don't have scumreads at this point in the game?

What? Haven’t you been reading my posts? I’m voting CD for Performer’s blatant misrep and bs shade. So, yeah, they are my #1 scumread rn.

[DrewVa]

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

No, you didn’t. I’m saying he’s not thinking logically. Why wouldn’t scum!me be voting him now?

Scum!you would know if he was scum or not.

That isn’t what I said. I said as scum, fhpov, I should definitely be voting him.

Well, I would consider that possibly as WiFOM. I'm not implying that you are scum based on that post but it is irrelevant if you two are voting for each other or not.

He has been alleging that I’m w/w with TLK, who has the largest wagon by 1 or maybe 2 votes, I think?

He is still the counterwagon, I believe, so now that Nero is pushing this wagon, why wouldn’t scum!me jump on it, from hpov, to save my “buddy” from being lynched?

Like I haven’t made it a 1v1 anymore, so no one would actually be suspicious of us doing that. So, my point is that it makes way more sense logically for him to assume, he isn’t my strongest scumread. Sure, he could still possibly be scum but he really seems to actually believe his reads, regardless of whether they make sense or not. Scum usually does not. That’s why I’m currently leaning to him being more likely to be bad town.

If you contrast Ram’s scumread on us with Performer’s/CD’s, the difference wrt to the sincerity of that read, becomes very apparent.

[DrewVa]

What? Haven’t you been reading my posts? I’m voting CD for Performer’s blatant misrep and bs shade. So, yeah, they are my #1 scumread rn.

I do, but not that long ago you claimed you have no scumreads, and that one seems really weak one

What about it seems weak to you?

Performer mischaracterized our posts trying to figure out who we should vote for. You didn’t, because you criticized my possibly considering voting flippy.

But the most damning part, was when Performer - I’m stressing this, because it wouldn’t necessarily have been suspicious coming from Cheeky - called us “conniving” - implicitly implying he is familiar with my scumgame, eventhough he has never even once played with me as scum.

So, that was clearly bs shade on us.

[DrewVa]

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

[DrewVa]

So I see the wagon on my as only grown larger. I just want to implore you all to stay away from voting me if you're town. Not wise. I'm worried that I'll take you with me. I'm town, y'all. But I'll be a martyr if that's what you want me to be. I'm already the last knight during this Last Night Tomorrow, so it is only fitting that this night be my last.

I want to put out there that my vote in Ram is about as confident as it was when I first voted him, but that doesn't make him my best vote. He's an aggressive player that I had found some inconsistencies with but his trajectory has plateued for me and I think I can chalk him up as a scum lean (at best).

The DrewVa v Thanos read a lot like a svt to me as well and clogged up a lot of my catching up the other day. I have bad vibes about DrewVa because of how personal it got but I also feel that it wouldn't have been so intense if DrewVa were actually scum. I like Thanos even more though so I want to say DrewVa is scum.

Inb4 everyone seeing me as calling DrewVa scum as me counterclaiming, because I've seen a lot of people posting about the two of us being buds. I've barely been present for any of that. If I were scum with DrewVa, I would have told them not to take the back and forth the other day so personally, and told a buddy to relax.

I also want to buy Elsa's vig claim. Seems in line with his attitude. If whoever they've been wanting to shoot gets killed, then we will have some good info on D2.

My actual vote incoming....

Happy Holidays, The Last Woat.

[DrewVa]

Oh, and if you haven't figured it out yet, I'm claiming Super Saint.

That means the hammer gets it. I was SS in RC uPick.

[DrewVa]

Man that sucks. I was thinking of moving my vote to TLK. Now I’m scared

In this setup, that’s probably wise. Anyone on that wagon could theoretically be the hammer.

[DrewVa]

I blame Boon for this mess, can we lynch him and have Duck to take over?

HURT: Boon

HEAL: Ducky

[DrewVa]

If we lynch Boon, Flavor Leaf takes over. Trust me, he's way shittier.

[DrewVa]

also, i don't mind to take hammer. If i'm right, nothing gonna happen to me, if i'm wrong, then my reads are mess and i'd rather watch game from dead thread - TLK town means Gamma and DrewVa likely to be town too, scum have not much reason to interfere in town v town wagon situation as they did.

The thing is, I’m really suspicious because why does SS ever claim? I was SS and my strategy was to obvtown it enough to get NK’d. It didn’t actually happen but I came close to becoming IC via desperado.

Because it is not only the hammer that can die, it’s also anyone that tries to NK him too. SS hammer doesn’t care about your alignment.

So, I was obviously trying (unsuccessfully) to get scum to kill me, so I never claimed it.

[DrewVa]

It's a good plan. If the people that we all deem to be suspicious don't bother to vote on my lynch, then they are even more suspicious.

I think Ramcius, DrewVa, and Gamma Emerald should vote to lynch me.

I think you should remove your armoured helmet.

[DrewVa]

and Cheeky and UL

Only ones voting him, will be anyone who wants a replace out.

[DrewVa]

DrewVa laughs at all my post. Halp. I'm being pocketed. It's stuffy and warm and weird.

You want me to diss/ignore your posts, just say the word.

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

DrewVa laughs at all my post. Halp. I'm being pocketed. It's stuffy and warm and weird.

You want me to diss/ignore your posts, just say the word.

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

If RightKnight is TLK then switching accounts after a hard claim is a very poor last ditch effort to convince us you are not scum.

[DrewVa]

Ahhhh geez.

Right Knight is Nancy and Mathblade.
Is Nancy being funny and confusing me?
Or is Mathblade RK and I am losing my mind?

It’s a Math and me hydra but no, it was all me.

[DrewVa]

Sorry Boon, I just couldn’t resist.

[DrewVa]

Because it is not only the hammer that can die, it’s also anyone that tries to NK him too.

That's not the standard. That's a bomb; if you had both abilities you were a bomb supersaint.

Yeah, I guess I got them mixed up.

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

No, you didn’t. I’m saying he’s not thinking logically. Why wouldn’t scum!me be voting him now?

Scum!you would know if he was scum or not.

That isn’t what I said. I said as scum, fhpov, I should definitely be voting him.

Well, I would consider that possibly as WiFOM. I'm not implying that you are scum based on that post but it is irrelevant if you two are voting for each other or not.

@DrewVa: Why is it a bad assumption to make that scum!you wouldn't vote for Ramcius (or whoever SR'd you)? I don't follow the logic there. If town!you wouldn't vote for him, and scum!you wanted to emulate what town!you would've done, you wouldn't vote him, yeah?

I agree with BEF in that it doesn't matter whether you vote each other or not, but I don't see the vote on you being illogical from this angle.

~A

No, that isn’t at all what I said. How often do I have to repeat myself here?

I was referring to MY vote, duh - not anyone else’s. I can’t even . . . *sigh*

[DrewVa]

P.edit. @Thanos, I was saying that from Ramicius’ POV, if TLK was my buddy, it made no sense whatsoever for me not to have voted Ram to save TLK or should I now refer to him as TLW, instead. I was tr the guy and now, I honestly don’t know what to think. He’s allegedly a forum newb, not a Mafia newb.

[DrewVa]

PLEASE stop quoting long posts. It's hell to read on mobile.

Sorry, this is stupid. I agree it is, but I’d rather know what’s being referenced.

Anyone who lynches lamees gets a pass for d2 -D

I’m gonna need time to review this interaction between you two. But DrewVa, I felt like you let your emotions get the better of you, and I’m not sure where that lands you on my current readslist. No, I don’t want your “if I was scum, I wouldn’t do that” protest. Nothing personal, I just hate those. but if I have time I’ll check for myself.

Here’s to me being a hypocrite, but I usually get emotional as town more than scum. We’ll see how I read you later on. I’m looking forward to reading the next 15 pages in order to help sort you.

It’s kind of frustrating responding to posts like this, since so much has changed, since DVa made that post. We are not even currently sr Thanos but yes, there was some personal shot going down between Lamees and DVa. We did and do, find Lamees to be very scummy but we liked Auro’s reaction to the whole thing and thought he was townie for that. Wrt the bolded, I don’t even think that would be applicable here. So, I only reference that, when it clearly is.

[DrewVa]

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

I hate to play town in general and this game isn't that enjoyable either

Well, I like being town here, because Boon loves us and gave us a really fun role.

[DrewVa]

or UL or one of the two empororers.

TL:DR

there's a ton of slots I'd flip before Drew and Thanos

I don't like this talk about "reigning someone in", if their push on you is bad, call it out with rhetoric.

You made two posts in thread saying you would talk with her and lamees then continued to push so I'm assuming those posts were pure theater and an attempted pocket while you try to rile me through her.

Lamees wants to piss me off into replacing out, so she can get lynched. She is explicitly playing to scum wincon and moreover is unenjoyable to sort. You should know better than most that I am pretty much done with bothering to sort anti-town town from anti-town scum. So if you want this to not be a 1v1, then you can self-vote and get rid of the problem player. But I am not moving off lamees ever until she is lynched. She is scum and therefore you are scum. Sorry we couldn't roll town together this time, Auro. -D

Wow, this is a really bad post... hey, don’t feel bad, I do it a lot, too! And idk what has conspired since this, but pls don’t keep votes on someone because you can’t sort them. Again, I am being a huge hypocrite because 2 days from now when someone gets on my nerves I will vote them and ‘refuse’ to unvote, but it is not good town play.

We were upset att, especially DVa. *shrug*

[DrewVa]

PLEASE stop quoting long posts. It's hell to read on mobile.

Sorry, this is stupid. I agree it is, but I’d rather know what’s being referenced.

Anyone who lynches lamees gets a pass for d2 -D

I’m gonna need time to review this interaction between you two. But DrewVa, I felt like you let your emotions get the better of you, and I’m not sure where that lands you on my current readslist. No, I don’t want your “if I was scum, I wouldn’t do that” protest. Nothing personal, I just hate those. but if I have time I’ll check for myself.

Here’s to me being a hypocrite, but I usually get emotional as town more than scum. We’ll see how I read you later on. I’m looking forward to reading the next 15 pages in order to help sort you.

It’s kind of frustrating responding to posts like this, since so much has changed, since DVa made that post. We are not even currently sr Thanos but yes, there was some personal shot going down between Lamees and DVa. We did and do, find Lamees to be very scummy but we liked Auro’s reaction to the whole thing and thought he was townie for that. Wrt the bolded, I don’t even think that would be applicable here. So, I only reference that, when it clearly is.

Sorry. It’s my fault for not keeping up. However, I feel like it’s better to put my thoughts out there than to not do so, so everyone has the ability to look back on my play later on and sort me.

I’m trying really hard to catch up. Deadline is close and i know we have a few claims. Would just prefer to read the thread through then skip most of it. It’s now that thought processes form and can be referenced later in the game, whereas if i don’t read, I can’t do that.

No I understand, it’s just weird for me to explain thoughts that keep changing but I’ll try to do my best.

[DrewVa]

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

I hate to play town in general and this game isn't that enjoyable either

Well, I like being town here, because Boon loves us and gave us a really fun role.

is that VT soft?

You don’t believe Boon really really loves us?

[DrewVa]

P.edit. Tbf, the duck loves us even more.

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

I hate to play town in general and this game isn't that enjoyable either

Well, I like being town here, because Boon loves us and gave us a really fun role.

is that VT soft?

You don’t believe Boon really really loves us?

I don't believe you would tell the truth about your role

Well, we don’t want to die tonight, so probably not.

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

I'm actually looking forward to see who's murdered via lynch now.

i hope it's me

You’re not enjoying the game?

I hate to play town in general and this game isn't that enjoyable either

Well, I like being town here, because Boon loves us and gave us a really fun role.

is that VT soft?

You don’t believe Boon really really loves us?

I don't believe you would tell the truth about your role

Well, we don’t want to die tonight, so probably not.

I doubt vig would shoot you anyway

What makes you think I was referring to the vig?

[DrewVa]

What makes you think I was referring to the vig?

I know what you were referring, but why should I trust you?

Did I say you should?

[DrewVa]

What makes you think I was referring to the vig?

I know what you were referring, but why should I trust you?

Did I say you should?

Spoiler:

[DrewVa]

@Somethin-Smart, this was my role in RC uPick game.

There's not really anything to go here, but do you remember those sea monkey things?

Welcome, Innocent Children. You are a Barrel of Claustrophobic Flying Monkeys, Monkey Time Bomb Waiting to Explode. You are a Supersaint Bomb.



Claustrophobic Monkeys (Supersaint Bomb): When the barrel is opened by lynch or nightkill, the claustrophobic monkeys are finally free of the tight space and will run fucking everywhere, killing whoever hammered or nightkilled you.

You win when the Mafia have been removed and at least one Townie is still alive.

We were, “barrel of claustrophobic flying monkeys”.

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

HAPPY FESTIVUS, EVERYONE!!!

[DrewVa]

Rn, Performer blatantly mischaracterizing our posts and implying he knows anything at all about how I play as scum, when he has never played with me as scum, is the scummiest thing I’ve read so far, this game.

Dude. I was one of the NRG reviewers for the scum game of yours with xwing. I followed that game closely.

Also, you and mcqueen saying I was buddying or acting weird with TLK, say what?? That was an off topic remark about another FM player in the bay area. Using a remark like that to put suspicion on someone, is actually scummy.


~ P

Who tf is xwing?

[DrewVa]

Also, it was clear I was not writing off the possibility of thano and drewva being scum. The other reality is that I'm set on 1 being scum and 1 being town, but I'm considering what's possible since I've spectate their scum games and played with their town games.


~ P

You have neither spectated or played with scum!me, so I have no clue wtf you’re even talking about.

[DrewVa]

K reading from my last post since that's ~10 pages and I'll consider it caught up combined with my Isos!

What's anti-town to let the town know they have influence during the night so someone suspicous can die that they vote for?

You asked who to shoot, then claim that the person with the 2nd most votes gets shot, then say you’re not even the vig.

None of that is consistent?? And you want me to believe that’s town??

Why are my arguments “convoluted”? And yes, it was a pretty cool movie.
I'm hypothetically saying I'm either a vigilante or am informed of a vigilante as a form to see what'll happen tonight. You know the term "Wine In Front Of Me"?

This is my version. It's "Elsa's Loco Suspicious Actions". ELSA for short.

No, I don’t know it

My vote is still on you btw. And for now that’s where it’s staying

This gives me a chance to post one of my favourite movie scenes!!! =D

Thank you for this opportunity, and please watch the whole movie! It's amazing! =D

Oh and Merry Christmas everyone

Merry Christmas Profii et al.!!

Why do we want to lynch vig Nero?

Nero is the most obvtown player in this game, based on meta.

Meta, eh?
I mean, that's fine and all, but what, other than meta, makes them towny. Because Meta only goes so far and can be gamed by experienced players, a group Nero is most certainly a part of.

but I don't think you ever said that. Why didn't you just say that when Gamma asked you?

I literally said that, when you asked last time. I said you're 4th on my scum list and I want lynch in other 3 first, I'm calling Gamma/TLK/DrewVa scumteam for a week already, I'm questioning them about their TR on each other for a while now, getting nothing. I really need one of them to flip, so i know, if I'm on right path or not. You are just a side project, so if you get vigged, less hassle for me in future dealing with you (I might get lucky and eat bullet before that too)

(Bolded Italics are mine)
This phrasing really stands out to me as scummy and I'm not entirely sure why...

I'm old and its the holidays.

Amen brother! XD

Why are you still so tunnelled on us, when we aren’t even voting you anymore?

So people are only allowed to OMGUS vote you? If you TR them must they also TR you? Did I understand this correctly?

No, you didn’t. I’m saying he’s not thinking logically. Why wouldn’t scum!me be voting him now?

Scum!you would know if he was scum or not.

That isn’t what I said. I said as scum, fhpov, I should definitely be voting him.

This is a really weak arguement. Unless I missed a mechanical 1v1 I don't think this arguement ever really holds water. We didn't have a mechanical 1v1 already right? That's something I'd think I would have caught! lol

He has been alleging that I’m w/w with TLK, who has the largest wagon by 1 or maybe 2 votes, I think?

He is still the counterwagon, I believe, so now that Nero is pushing this wagon, why wouldn’t scum!me jump on it, from hpov, to save my “buddy” from being lynched?

Like I haven’t made it a 1v1 anymore, so no one would actually be suspicious of us doing that. So, my point is that it makes way more sense logically for him to assume, he isn’t my strongest scumread. Sure, he could still possibly be scum but he really seems to actually believe his reads, regardless of whether they make sense or not. Scum usually does not. That’s why I’m currently leaning to him being more likely to be bad town.

If you contrast Ram’s scumread on us with Performer’s/CD’s, the difference wrt to the sincerity of that read, becomes very apparent.

The logic hoops that need to be jumped through here hurt my head. I would never assume someone would come to this conclusion because it's, well, convoluted!

<End of Pg 77>

- Ari, Obv.

Why are my arguments “convoluted”? And yes, it was a pretty cool movie.