BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[profii]

Hello I woke up to 6 pages and all the votes don’t go in the thread

This will be something

[profii]

Are we really debating the merits of using the word talk/type here >.<

[profii]

I really think we should use hurt tags to track "vote counts" ourselves

I mean, if you fake it, you better have a freaking good reason post flip so thats easily dealt with and i think tracking things like "I find such and such and such town" will be very tricky.

otherwise the emperor dudes may as well just lol hammer ?

[profii]

scum to start a counterwagon if a potential scum
is the leading wagon.

imo this is part of VCA - VCA isnt just the final VC

[profii]

scum to start a counterwagon if a potential scum
is the leading wagon.

imo this is part of VCA - VCA isnt just the final VC

I get that, but I think keeping the votes hidden makes it harder for scum. If you want to post who you are voting for go ahead but just be careful because scum could be a Day Representative and end the day early if they see a wagon building on town.

Speaking of Day Representatives, anyone have any thoughts on how they are chosen yet?

Seems fair

I think the joining thread said people would be involved in stuff like that in some kind of fair way to get everyone involved but idk if this emporer thing is included in that haha

[profii]

if we arent going to declare votes, maybe we should do something like everyone checks in to say they are voting someone who they are satisfied with THEN we let the emporers now at which point plurality does it's thang

just so when we look at VCA tomorrow no one can be like oh i was asleep when the day ended it was a lol vote

[profii]

Are we really debating the merits of using the word talk/type here >.<

Why did you use a dot/fullstop rather than a question mark here?

that’s a face lol

lol i think that can count as the almost 50 hydra slip of the day

[profii]

Literally doing our own vcs and wagoning in the normal way though, isn't something I'm interested in here.

how do you see the game panning out and town getting their hands on precious info? I take the point on spirit of the game but any info is good info i think

[profii]

Hmm salty Nero is usually scum Nero

[profii]

Nah he ups his salty game when he is scum

[profii]

Just look at the posts from him on this page as a good example- I’ve seen his town and scum game - he doesn’t bother like getting quite as irate when he is town

Idk it’s hard to put into exact examples but I’m happy to vote there right now

[profii]

Idk it’s a gut feeling and as good as any place to vote rn so I’ll roll with it

[profii]

Day 1 has begun!!

Day 1 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm

(expired on 2018-12-28 18:00:00) on December 28th, 2018.

This thread says the people "JUST" have to vote to end the day. I assume they don't know who we are all voting for

i.e. they can't say like, "between the 4 of us we can see profii is the leading wagon rn and he would be a good lynch so lets end the day"

some people are assuming that Alonzo VC was legit and I don't know if that's because they weren't on it so don't know any better or are they just playing along with random hypothetical scenarios

:S

[profii]

..... I mean they have to be more like "well loads of people are saying they'd vote profii, so lets hope they are true to their word and hopefully he is top of the pops and gets rope"

if that clears up what I mean?!

[profii]

Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?

[profii]

Are we really debating the merits of using the word talk/type here >.<

Why did you use a dot/fullstop rather than a question mark here?

that’s a face lol

lol i think that can count as the almost 50 hydra slip of the day

ok mind explaining what you meant by this

a50 was showing his age

[profii]

Yeah what I thought was salt from town!Nero was just sass
Now to see if profii’s assertion holds

did you get anywhere with this? I don't know how we are classifying salty/sassy - ime I find Nero just turns it up a notch more than usual as scum so idk that was where my scum read came from

[profii]

sacré bleu

[profii]

ok so this game is confusing the heck out of me with no idea on where the VCs are up to - so my approach here is to read ISOs in most posts first order, as it will get easier as the task goes on
A summary sentence on everyone will be all for now:

Drewva - Never seen either players scum game but no alarm bells here
Elsa - think I saw a town slip so cool.
RCEnigma - this iso is a bit of a slow burner. interesting, maybe looking to see if town is going to mislynch itself kind of vibe
Gamma - I think he is ok but I'm not a great gamma reader tbh
Cheeky Dancer - I thought the stuff about the fake mason claim was genuine concern so I'll town that
Alonzo - I dunno, not a lot of meat on the bone so I'll reserve judgement for now as I don't know how to sort Alonzo well yet.
Ramicus - I don't like this slot, couple of posts I looked at that made me go 'wait wtf' so I'll probably vote here if nothing else pops up
Almost Chara - I think town, but more on the Almost part of the read as I've never played with Chara before.
Nero - not a read that's like omg this is scum we must lynch now, still a scum read, but idk, not really convincing me of town
nev and max - seems to be getting more stick than they merit I think?
Karmeleon - the towniest read so far I think
The Last Knight - not a fan of this slot, seems like trying to town
McQueen - I'm not even going to ISO this again, I was already town reading him pretty hard before I undertook this task.
Thanos - spotted a town slip
BEF - the grammar argument seems like a town thing to get involved in... but it is bef
Xtoxm - whilst acknowledging I am not a high content dude in this game, I think we are entering into the 'post more please' section of analysis. This slot is the first one, albeit minor scum ping here.
Something_smart - I kinda liked the self vote in the context of it's not actually a vote. Although SS said he didn't do it for that reason, I still lol'd - acknowledging he said he is busy, sympathy as I am too
Dave - slight town lean but early days.
ultimate liars - I definitely can't read Koki and what is Tsumigi
Both Emporers, theta - post more



I think that's your lot - If I missed anyone I blame the alt slippers :p

reflecting back on that - voting TLK

[profii]

lol I'd forgotten that- just assume he was one of our many hydra / alts etc

hmmm.

[profii]

If we form a majority lynch in advance of end of day vote does it take over?

Nope. Also, Happy Scumday.

[profii]

If we form a majority lynch in advance of end of day vote does it take over?

Nope. Also, Happy Scumday.

Ta & ta!

[profii]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

i thought if we hit deadline then most votes = lynch
or if the reps vote to end day, same again, most votes goes

we dont have to form a majority i dont think so someone basically is going for sure

[profii]

When did we decide to vote public?

We still have to vote officially in the confessional but if we keep our votes secret, that is more likely than not going to result in a no lynch.

i thought if we hit deadline then most votes = lynch
or if the reps vote to end day, same again, most votes goes

we dont have to form a majority i dont think so someone basically is going for sure

But isn’t it better to acheive a town consensus? Also, it the lynch doesn’t logically add up, we know someone lied about their vote.

Absolutley - just checking you knew this game is “plurality” which seems to be the name for what we are talking about

[profii]

TLK. I have a question. I made that self-vote very early on as self-admittedly half a joke egopost and the other half a reaction test. I also said that I understand that's not how real votes were placed. When you put your votecounts together, why did you not even ask if I had actually voted myself in my confessional before writing my vote there?

I think you’re supposed to use this excuse AFTER you said you were voting X and the flip revealed you to be on player Y

[profii]

Can we have a list of lurkers? I personally would rather just lynch them, unless they start posting. It's likely that active posters easily attract votes.

~A

I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti

[profii]

Not game specific, this is the case in any mafia game. It's also right around the corner from Xmas and isn't the place I would expect a scumhunt should originate.

Indeed, but there's also a slight difference in that we can't pressure a slot with our vote since we don't have a public vote -- so it's just reduced to threats.
What's your read on Ultimate Liars? We have a scumlean there.

~A

It’s like when you say “I’m voting you to pressure you into doing something” - by saying that it loses its effect

I believe by saying “I’m gonna plump for a lurker” means if you try and threaten someone - again you lose the effect

Also by going for lurkers, particularly at Xmas where there is a few scum can “randomly” pick “this one” imo

[profii]

Don't know if confessionals are quotable but I've been using mine to gather my thoughts and the lurkers was one of them. The chance scum is in there is pretty good but being so close to the holidays it's not going to be my day 1 push. After the holidays is another story. Ramcius is leaning town, I don't know how aggressive he is as scum though. Thanos is on the scummy side of null.

Aiuro is just naturly scummy.

How much have you played together because it’s feally bugging me ha

[profii]

It’s like when you say “I’m voting you to pressure you into doing something” - by saying that it loses its effect

I believe by saying “I’m gonna plump for a lurker” means if you try and threaten someone - again you lose the effect

Not necessarily, often it's obvious what you're doing anyway, but threats on a lurker are still threats and might scare them into contributing more.

I say might because especially with the holidays coming a lot of lurkers aren't going to be lurking for game-related reasons.

Yeah Xmas is an exceptional time

I think there’s a subtle way of doing it I guess - to be fair I’m not very good at it

I think I’d like to see the day finish before Xmas , we get to see some votes and such, those who like to read up get a nice bit of time to do so and come back to us with some analysis based on something a little more concrete than we have now

But I’ve no idea if that’s realistic

[profii]

how do we move on from that though?

half the town are for vote counting and half arent - so lets the vote counters are pushing scum, the team mates are surely just going to be like "think ill not say" rather than openly push a counter in the normal fashion.

it's basically impossible to know whats going on. I think I'm going to do what someone mentioned earlier and hunt within the group of people that dont want to openly discuss their vote.

[profii]

how do we move on from that though?

half the town are for vote counting and half arent - so lets the vote counters are pushing scum, the team mates are surely just going to be like "think ill not say" rather than openly push a counter in the normal fashion.

it's basically impossible to know whats going on. I think I'm going to do what someone mentioned earlier and hunt within the group of people that dont want to openly discuss their vote.

I think that once we enter D2 we should have a good start for information after the D1 flips and NK. If the votes be hidden gets us into trouble then we can try to push people to be more transparent with their votes.

Thats the point - we are really stuck on day 1 if people don’t participate in a home made vote count

[profii]

You said this game, implying you have previous with profii, and some sort of metric on how you form a read on him.

How did you reach scum! Profii?

Ahh yes I do. Profii is a more vocal/involved player as town in my opinion. He's been present sure but his early game consisted of recommending ways to bring a votecount in that just seemed of to me for a few reasons:

1.) This setup disadvantages town due to the lack of votecount but I would argue it disadvantages Scum even more which leads to point #

2.) A votecount would be nice to have but not necessary. Town can likely coordinate without it. With it present it makes it easier for scum to spread their votes and town blend or throw of votecounts. Which is unfortunate because I think Profii is strong at VCA but not a part of my scum read. Overall I think scum can't afford to look too coordinated or they risk sticking out and that kind of weakens their sway on lynches.

I also don't buy Nero's demeanor being a surprise to Profii and read it as a soft defense of myself or Cheeky, that in itself is minor. But the way Profii came back to that specifically rubs me wrong. I don't get why he would be hung up on it when he's generally a player with a broader sense of the game and the slots around him.

Thank you for asking about my read Alonzo.

As of now, this lands RCE on my town list. Not exactly sure why multiple people keep bringing him up as someone they find scummy. I will do an ISO later, though, so stay tuned for that

Same - I can easily answer the points

I overgamed - some are finishing so I’ll appear more and more

Also - I work off VCs a lot to prompt me to go look at “why did X end up on Y when Z was happening” - it’s like someone’s taken the map away from me until we get a flip

[profii]

Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?

Don't understand this post (maybe it's been addressed)

Our only communication as Day reps together is here. We don't get our own private thread or anything

This answers what I wanted to know -

If you had a PT then I was gonna be like - TDK is getting the main pressure so is anyone withholding day end for any random reason which might suggest they’re helping him


But if it’s all in here then great

[profii]

I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti

Has anyone struck you as particularly scummy so far?

~A

I missed this - there was something that bothered me about S_S but I can’t remember what it was haha

It was the thing gamma quoted and said we were town binned or something for - imo he looked like he was setting up a disclaimer for a mislynch later.... I think


There was a couple of other bits in my read list but that was the most offensive one I think

As soon as I voted TDK someone reminded us he was new and in fairness new players always come over more scummy than they really are do applying benefit of doubt for a bit

[profii]

You know, I'm quite enjoying this anonymous mechanic. I'm able to vote who I want without getting any pushback from them. It's liberating.

Fucking ew

Yeah that’s outrageous haha

[profii]

And you assuming we’re being scummy, rather than just wrong.

That's the game though

Also, you could be seen as being possibly lamist or tryharding?

LAMEESist.

At any rate, if you don’t get your partner to stop voting to “end the day”, I’m seriously considering policy lynching you, and this is coming from someone who is opposed to them on principle.

Lamees can’t vote for that, so please make her stop. It’s hella annoying.

Nah, it's cute, and harmless.

I really dislike this post.

You keep making more like these and I may vote you.

Yeah auro went for a bit of a stretch there. It definitely isn't cute.

But can anyone else see drewva is obv scum? Or is it just me.

-lamees

doubt it

[profii]

I will not be voting Ramicus today


That is all.

[profii]

Ramcius either


Oops sorry

[profii]

Lurker = null without content and associations
semi-active null = null with no content (so bunch of useless posts) and have associations

so why first one is better than second?

If can't think answer, sign for "Vig Nero" petition

Why not lynch Nero lol

Nero is obvtown Gamma. Don’t make me doubt our tr on you.

I’d lynch him still tbh

[profii]

Karm, Profil, Drew, Gamma want my head suddenly, anyone else interested too?

Just saw this post quoted by someone else

I specifically said I won’t lynch you today


Still sticking with that

[profii]

In fact I’m gonna put my vote back on Mero

I think I confused new with scum on TDK

Something_Smart is in the running too

[profii]

Oh and Merry Christmas everyone

[profii]

I changed my mind since then if you’re referring to my read list

[profii]

In fact I’m gonna put my vote back on Mero

I think I confused new with scum on TDK

Something_Smart is in the running too

Btw, what specifically makes SS seem scummy to you?

They read null to me.

Anyone who doesn’t scum read anyone bugs me - that was my problem with TDK but new-ness can skew that

[profii]

There was something else with S_S I cant remeber off top of my head will bring it up post Xmas!

[profii]

I changed my mind since then if you’re referring to my read list

I know, but that post you quoted was from back then

Ah - someone quoted it more recently which made me go hang on that’s not up to date!

[profii]

Can we get a consensus on if we are lynching SS before we end the day? Pls ty. I've only skimmed the past 5 pages or so but no one's talking about the important thing for day one.

Think the hammers should be one of the emperors, ramcius, thanos, or like....theta. *don't think ramcius is scum tbh but that's probably one of the d1 kills that would give the most information.

Elsa shoot Profii and I'll bring a cake for the queen.

I’m a wee bit behind but I’ll vote SS

As I quoted that I just saw shoot me, that’s mean

[profii]

Hey TLK, do me a solid and list everyone's preferred vigi shot instead of a VC count next.

{Nero / S_S }

Lynch one, shoot t’other

[profii]

Something _ smart

Are we lynching someone else with a saint claim?

[profii]

Hey TLK, do me a solid and list everyone's preferred vigi shot instead of a VC count next.

{Nero / S_S }

Lynch one, shoot t’other

Nero is town. Did you even bother to click on those links I posted? Or are you just confibiased in your read on him?

You just linked 2 games. He has a pretty big wiki, I’ll just go link 2 scum ones shall I?

[profii]

Something _ smart

Are we lynching someone else with a saint claim?

TLK is supersaint and no one was planning lynch something smart

I woulda

[profii]

It would be really helpful to know who is voting, Flippy, Profil and Cheeky. But Nero is a terrible vote and he seems locked into that vote and ignoring other reads on that slot.

Give me a summary of the leading wagons and I’ll go look into it

I am not really engaged in this game without and real VCs tbh

I mean people seem to be saying we will vote TDK to give a town influenced kill but that idea sounds silly to me

Other than that nothing substantial is happening but idk

[profii]

Not a fan of CD's later posts but I feel more confident on Profii being scum.

[profii]

I’m assuming RCE is breadcrumbing he is going to shoot me but idk

[profii]

I have no idea what’s going on

With plurality in effect it seems there may be a risk of my gettingnlynched so I’ll claim

I can modify 1 person each night with these 3 thingys and give them +1 shot

(Ascetic, Loyal, Loud)

So like 3 nights work if that makes sense


I don’t seem all that useful so might as well lynch

The loud / loyal might help us prove someone later tho

[profii]

Has anyone claimed a role worth giving that stuff to?

[profii]

I can do them whenever I want but only once

Ascetic means all night actions bar killing fail - so reflexive roleblocker ish

Loyal means only works on same alignment so if we had a fruit vendor I could make them loyal and they basically go round inno’ing people

Loud means the recepient gets a PM saying “so and so visited you last night “ - not sure if you get told - so and so jailkept you or just so and so did something


Also - when I act upon you, you wil be told so

[profii]

I would expect so but idk

[profii]

Like I guess they would just make other people do the kill but say if there was a mafia roleblocker I assume that screws them up

[profii]

Lemme check ....

[profii]

It says I give them a +1 charge

So I guess the modification is perm

But I guess there are a lot of x-shot whatever’s


So the only real long lasting one is presumably ascetic

[profii]

Nah I’m super ill I’ve honestly no idea what’s going on

[profii]

To be fair I’d scum read me - I am struggling with keeping up with this and the observant among you may notice I’m active elsewhere on the site so it’s a fair read hence the claim

I’ve never repd out and I don’t want to start and cause boon/everyone a headache - hoping this fever will pass over the night phase and I’ll be good to go for day 2 if I survive

[profii]

What does Loyal do specifically?

Only works on same alignment


I was a town loyal fruit vendor once, gave fruit to someone I knew was scum and died on purpose leaving a very distinct breadcrumb so town could lynch that scum slot the following day

[profii]

Loyal is really strong, the other two not so much.

I wouldn't go around giving loyal to a random person though. You want to give it to a weak investigative like motion detector or vanilla cop, because it turns them into a cop.

I’m going to say let’s not encourage the cop to come forward right now

I can use my other thingies in the mean time and don’t want to overextend and protective do dahs

[profii]

Not asking for a cop, I'm talking about an investigative role that right now is almost useless, like vanilla cop, voyeur, or motion detector. Neighborizer also qualifies. If somebody has one of those roles, it's probably worth it to come out.

Nah because scum will just shoot them

I’ve spotted a breadcrumb don’t panic man

[profii]

So do we give Xtoxm points for not ending the day?

~ C

Was it on 2/4?

I thought it was 1/4

[profii]

@Mafia: I may or may not also have the possibility of being an informed Traitor, so please don't shoot me and waste your shot.

I don’t know how to process that

[profii]

It's outside my scum range.

I hate when people say this

[profii]

Hmm

[profii]

Swapsies!!!

[profii]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

[profii]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

There’s a fruit vendor in the setup? I don’t know how the “sticky” part affects this. Is that some type of modifier?

The message I got say I pass the fruit on tonight which I guess is the sticky part

So I’m giving it to my loyal dude

[profii]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

how come

[profii]

Unless they are say a loyal visitor with a adticky fruit maybe the loyal bit doesn’t apply hmmm

[profii]

Presumably

[profii]

Oh I might as well claim this

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

There is no wiki page on sticky fruit. I assume it just gets passed round but I can use it to get that person to cop people

Maybe we can go loyal person -> target -> back to me -> back to secret loyal person -> cop someone -> back to me


And so on?

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

how come

I can't recall the exact wording but one of the prizes was "this prize will cause all night actions to fail" or something like that. I assume a scum taking this prize would be immune to investigations and other role stuff in the game. Not sure though.

Well I’ll try giving my fruit out and I’ll see if i get a message saying failed or on n4 someone else will turn up with it

Assuming I loyal’d up a townie but I’m p.sure I did

[profii]

Sticky fruit vendor takes the BoonBank slot.

Boom good spot

[profii]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

No faith needed. I think the hidden votes helped a lot. I feel someone unintentionally bussed.

One one hand - I had no inkling EFN was going to be lynched - I had no feeling that he was getting votes - saying that - DrewVa said she kept it quiet and I was in a daze for most of the day-phase

On the other hand - I don’t see why scum would do this because of plurality but I guess given my perception that EFN want in danger maybe they were rigging the VCA


I think this doesn’t say much right now but a good book mark for reflection later - there is probably shenanigans afoot

[profii]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

I misread 2585 haha

[profii]

DrewVa you are a genius I have an idea but I’ll need a PC and some time - mega post to ensue!

[profii]

There were 3 games that had 3 people in

[profii]

I woke up 8 pages behind and it's still 8 pages.
At the bottom of 101.
Those are some interesting details that Thanos posted.
IIRC Gamma(?) didn't post details.
Thanos, was your game in room C?

Didn't someone claim to have a +1 to give during day yesterday, with what sounded like the same mechanics as the Game A mechanics? Game A players, was there stuff in your room before you started?

I'm going to have more to say about BOONus rounds later. I'd like to finish reading up to at least the point I post this.

That was me - I made someone loyal

[profii]

I’m an inventor

[profii]

Happy new year dudes and dudettes

[profii]

Why is the 4th end of day person scum?

Why can’t it be that scum just didn’t use that power and Boon has to fill the slot ?!

[profii]

AKA BEF with the fake news I think

[profii]

Why is the 4th end of day person scum?

Why can’t it be that scum just didn’t use that power and Boon has to fill the slot ?!

If you're scum do you:

A: want power and control.

Or

B: leave things you can control up to chance.

Or

C: induce wifom


I take your point though

[profii]

Why is the 4th end of day person scum?

Why can’t it be that scum just didn’t use that power and Boon has to fill the slot ?!

Cause it would’ve been the 4th boonus round winner (remember group b had 2 winners)

Interesting point



Just to be really clear - I take it game winners were not told they were going to be day reps because they won their games?

Leading question: ie if scum were within the game winners and knew they would be a day rep because of their victory , they don’t need to use their power to get control of the day

Ooooor I guess if the answer is yes they could use their power to get 2/4 votes

[profii]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Boon put:


I won't be explaining how the Day Representatives are chosen, but throughout the game, it will become obvious.

(Sorry lack of formatting - phone post)


I guess it could be that obvious

[profii]

Has literally nobody asked why AC was killed? We kinda glossed over that.

I take it you want to lynch theta

[profii]

Has literally nobody asked why AC was killed? We kinda glossed over that.

I take it you want to lynch theta

Don't put words in my mouth. I just want to talk about apart of the game I can contribute too. I can't do that with this Boon game since I wasnt in any of them. I also can't do anything with the dayrep thing either. So NK and VC analysis is all I got left.

So you could start with “I see AC was killed and I think it means ______”

[profii]

leading me to believe ur defending him without attempting to read. Wonder which faction tends to do that more...

He’s gonna say town here, I know it!

[profii]

Remind me please why you are voting DrewVa.

Love how you skip this too.

Oh please take a breath instead of tumbling over yourself trying to scumshade us.

Following my rather jovial post I thought McQueen was shading you - like scum surely tread on egg shells to make sure they don’t say something contradictory

Posting without reading ? Towny

Or, as you just pointed out the other half of a hydra just reading different bits


McQueen will be the first iso dive I think because that was a wee bit naughty imo

[profii]

^^ I think someone just wanted my specific role as I spurted out the details at the end of d1 - I’d already claimed what I can do

[profii]

Has literally nobody asked why AC was killed? We kinda glossed over that.

Has literally nobody asked why AC was killed? We kinda glossed over that.

I take it you want to lynch theta

Don't put words in my mouth. I just want to talk about apart of the game I can contribute too. I can't do that with this Boon game since I wasnt in any of them. I also can't do anything with the dayrep thing either. So NK and VC analysis is all I got left.

You can still contribute to that discussion

Exactly - I wouldn’t believe anyone who makes that post who claimed not to have at minimum had a quick flick through the AC ISO - from there it’s easy enough to see the main SR is Theta

So when Elsa said no one is discussing that - it’s worth noting Alonzo went straight in with a Theta vote, which, technically isn’t discussing - but it’s 1 step further forward than Elsa as Alonzo has given his opinion on the wifom if you like


To me it looks like Elsa is weighing up the group opinion to see if people will get behind a theta wagon, but being diplomatic about it so they can argue they haven’t ever said Theta was scummy

Which was the reason I put words in Elsas mouth as I wanted the real opinion

Which we still don’t have


Something isn’t right there

[profii]

Maybe we leash Profii?

Woof

[profii]

He's trying to imply I'm waiting around too see where the dust settles and propose a mislynch on Theta from my scum perspective, McQueen.

More like - that seems like a plausible way things could go so by stating it, you can’t do it - if that makes sense

If you’re not scum anyway, no harm done

If Theta scums it up good and proper - all is well


The other thing that bugged me in this is that Alonzo said we lynched EFN for having scum meta as a lurker - that’s cool

But then he said “if” there is a meta tell on Theta - 2514

He also said we should get the theta lynch done in under 10 pages

Why are we rushing a lynch on the basis of a meta tell that Alonzo isn’t even sure exists



Then you come along and “appear” all fence sitty about it




I don’t like it

[profii]

I think a proper wagon/scumlean is profii. I am obviously not voting for myself because I don't want to be my own hammer on accident. So I just want to be on a reasonable wagon when the day ends. And profii isn't pinging my towndar at all.

VOTE: profii

Can someone in the right time zone check this for me because it’s bugging me and I want to make sure I’m doing it right

It appears TLK said he would vote me half an hour after voting Theta according to the Boon vca

It could be because I’m GMT and adding +5 to all time stamps to find juicy posts near when people actually voted that I’ve infact messed this up


Help???

[profii]

Doh

[profii]

Yeah that works I changed my forum clock ta

[profii]

In light of profii's reveal and theta's iso being pinging me due to lack of original ideas, I'd vote there. Hadn't really noticed her before. Not sure if I made it back in time though..

Riiiight TLK posted this just before moving his vote

All good

In light of profii's reveal and theta's iso being pinging me due to lack of original ideas, I'd vote there. Hadn't really noticed her before. Not sure if I made it back in time though..

[profii]

Ok so here are people that moved their votes post me claiming


Profii (voted Elsa)
Something_Smart (voted Xtoxm)
McQueen (Voted Xtoxm)
Elsa (Voted Theta)
TLK (Voted Theta)
Cheeky (Voted EFN)
Xtoxm (Voted EFN)

I’m going to give Xtoxm and Cheeky a pass - I don’t think scum vote scum in the near end day moves in case you accidentally bus, even with a threat of time stamps being outed like this, you’d surely have some reason to move somewhere safe in your head

So interesting that we have 2 votes into Xtoxm there

I looked at every vote so far and cross referenced it with the time stamp of your vote

I don’t like that Xtoxm seemingly gets voted by S_S for calling him a rolefisher - imo I agree with Xtoxm- s_s was trying to find out who I could “power up” by making loyal and thus could nk them

So I’m going to vote there

[profii]

I forgot to say there is no guarantee any of those people were voting me in the first place but I assume some will have been

[profii]

I guess it could be either or perhaps even both. I’m voting ss now but I will do that McQueen re read - I have town in my notes and no reason but it was early on

[profii]

please explain to me WHAT BENEFIT I GET FROM ROLEFISHING A MOTION DETECTOR AS SCUM.

Because if they Md comes back and says erm guys I got no result then we have a potential guilty - that’s different from no movement

[profii]

whats the case on gamma? his name keeps popping up

[profii]

@ Cheeky D

I just looked at your points on McQueen - I can see what you are saying, I have caught scum in exactly the same way - just catching that blatant defence, but I have also ML'd town for doing the exact same thing so IDK. What I don't like is where you ask me did I slip - I assume this is a joke regarding [redacted] and McQueen goes straight in with the vote on me.

So yeah, I think it's a decent vote. I still think S_S is too but I'll go with whatever people wanna do by close of play assuming nothing exciting happens between now and then

[profii]

I assume this is a joke regarding [redacted] and McQueen goes straight in with the vote on me.

Yeah it was that joke

Mcqueen was saying things to shade you before that point, but it doesn't look like he was ever ballsy enough to vote you. I sense a lot of waiting for the right spots to jump on people to scumread/going with consensus play. I really didn't like him using sheeping me as an excuse to vote Xtoxm. He's a good vote, still waiting for him to catch up.

~ C

Eh consider my vote moved - if we don’t openly vote together (and I mean everyone - not just you & I then we will get no where I think)

[profii]

One thing to consider though is this

Some people are suggesting lynching scum for reasons of “player has scum meta of lurking” is lucky - arguably over Xmas, there is some logic there I guess


So let’s look at another part of the VCA:

Theta (10 posts rn) - voters yesterday: AC (town) / TLK (SS claim) / Elsa (Miller? Claim)

&

Ultimate Liars (13 posts rn) - voters yesterday: Dave / Thanos

The rest of the people who got voted are higher in the activity stakes so I focus there

The reason I highlight this is - if all these players are willing to vote lurkers, why weren’t they interested in voting a lurker that someone had said this player has distinct scum meta for lurking

I think that’s a good angle to consider

I will follow this up - but just wanna hit post as there is a lot to phone post haha

[profii]

So first up -

TLK

Here is his final vote

TLK just before voting Theta

In light of profii's reveal and theta's iso being pinging me due to lack of original ideas, I'd vote there. Hadn't really noticed her before. Not sure if I made it back in time though..

Some interesting back story to TLKs progression here, he throws out his RVS on either of our Emperors and decides ENG is the lurkier of the 2 - whilst some may say coincidence, I give TLK the benefit of the doubt as he likely has little meta of anyone given his book friend status

However there is very little mention of Flippy Nips in this ISO until 2094

A solitary defence of Flippy nips... Not good!

Now I can’t see an actual reason for either the vote on me 2293 which is a concern as I obviously claimed as I felt I had a few votes on me

Then following said claim, the quoted post above - we have a meta case on Flippy and TLK didn’t just say “yep sheeping good reasons” - he makes reasons to go elsewhere, when we’ve already accepted lurking elsewhere

So I’m getting a vibe that Flippy was in TLKs RVS not by coincidence, a soft defence was there and a seemingly contrived reason to be on Theta not Flippy by end of play


Ok so step back - that does look scummy - but - the way I like to do this is look at all the players I listed and asses which I believe to be most scummy in relation to the others

So I’ll say this doesn’t look great but my work isn’t done.... moving on

[profii]

Elsa voting Theta

Technically, SK doesn’t count as being Multiball anywhere on site. However, I advertised the game implying it was Single Ball, and generally if I’m going to straight up confirm it’s not Multiball, I’m not going to put a SK in the game.

@Cheeky

O. Thanks. Anything saying the scum team only have 1 shot?

I'm gonna counter and say is that a bastard mechanic?

Btw I also moved my vote to Theta. Also shitposting in my confessional.

So this vote doesn’t tell me a great deal apart from the VCA saying it was around the time of the claim from me

Now there is almost no mention of Flippy nips in the Elsa ISO

I did make a point about the push on Theta but I think this looks distinctly less scummy sat side by side with TLk

Next!

[profii]

Dave

Post regarding his vote:

Dave on UL

I have an active dislike for incessant posting of pictures and videos. Especially when they seem to be intended to convey meaning -- for me they don't even when it might be obvious to most people. I never play videos in particular and wish it were possible to have the browser not show or download them at all. Though that would result in more than a few posts that look empty.

Despite that, DrewVa is a townlean. Ultimate Liars is a scumlean. Karmeleon townlean. Nero townlean.

Keeping track of things is still a pain without in-thread voting, you don't get the flow info. I'm worried that town will have too little info to go on.

So this was an early vote

Dave infact answered the question I’m asking, interestingly posted by S_S in 3226

So I’m kinda just gonna wait and see how Dave goes - I always read him wrong and he gets mad at me so I’m just inclined to leave him alone for now - I see nothing gross

[profii]

Finally thanos - Now in my notes I’ve put that Thanos didn’t declare his final vote but the Hydra was talking to itself in the game thread at same time as the vote timestamp

Now when I collected all those posts, Thanos was first as he is first in the OP alive list and I was confused by timezones so let me just verify that... I was correct

So it was an early vote - perhaps before we lynched a lurker, looking at the reasons for the UL vote there was some internal debate over the scum read on UL

Now unless a load of people jump up and tell me this hydra theatre is within Thanos’ scum meta then I’m going to say it seems sincere enough to not consider it for at least today’s lynch

[profii]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

In conclusion

TLK is scummy - see case

Elsa - hmm I doubt it when you compare to TLK

Dave and Thanos - not really worth considering for lynch today


Aside - S_S considered people who wanted to vote lurkers but not Flippy - consider myself pocketed but I’m not letting you off the hook just yet

[profii]

profii where are you on Ram rn? -d

Book mark will look at this later this morning

[profii]

profii where are you on Ram rn? -d

rightyo

Ramcius voted TLK on Xmas eve so a fairly early voter - In my notes I don't have a post openly stating his vote just so that is on the record but double checking the ISO now.

so in post 1047 Ram thinks he is the counter wagon to TLK. Now I've got TLK as relatively scummy but that only becomes AI for Ram if the CW is driven by scum which we wont find out today I expect.

He is quite focussed on that TLK lynch and to be fair TLK is scummy so that's ok but I'd like to see more reads on other slots.

So one to watch but not at the top of the people we should lynch list I don't think

[profii]

Every time that typo get stuck in the mail filter at work we get the person coming to us going omg I did not use excessive language (it tells you why the mail got stuck) I demand to know why etc etc bla bla

It’s always that :@ always

[profii]

Ram and McQueen are my top 2 lynches though I'd verbally support a TLK wagon even though I don't scum read him and I don't know why he's being scumread. Like yeah, the whole "he's scum fakeclaming SS" I understand but I don't really get why he was being scumread prior to claim, I've asked but no one has responded to me.

3445 ?

[profii]

i take your point on 2094 - I think perhaps someone saying do we think so and so is town might just be enough to dissuade someone who is on the fence - particularly with no vc to see if that wagon really has momentum...therefore i counted it as AI- particularly when i looked at it in relation to the other slots i considered.

so I'll happily vote either tlk or mcqueen anyway

ramcius im less certain about so i'll just keep an eye on him

[profii]

Hopefully Elsa or UL/Kokichi.

are we saying UL for a reason or on inactivity?

[profii]

Do you get much success from that process? I don't have the time (read: attention span) to read old games I wasn't involved in

[profii]

Hopefully Elsa or UL/Kokichi.

I thought Kokichi’s re-entrance in the thread was townie. He made it a point of stating that it was Hebi that voted us, so he isn’t sr us and I think that scum!Kokichi would not hesitate to have jumped on our wagon. So, I’m not currently interested in voting there.

Can you explain the case on Elsa again? Neither DVa or myself have a clue what to make of his recent posting.

It was mostly around the end of day wagon. So Elsa proposed Theta's Lynch end of day. I assume as a policy thing, she only had two posts about theta before her ultimatum of Lynch or Vig shot.

Several slots voiced their willingness to vote there before it ended up on flippy so if any wagon was a counterwagon I would argue it was Theta with votes swinging off of Theta right at the end.

That's what I gathered from the iso and it all focuses on the 28th if anyone else wants to view the context.

The original argument was the timing of Elsa's vote around the discussion of flippy as the Lynch, which she was active for but didn't participate in. I just don't feel all of the mafia were passive in allowing their partner to go down.

I haven't followed anything involving her claims and volunteering to hammer the SS claim comes a day late to be relevant.

I feel like I've just had a penny dropping moment

I'm on board with the idea that if people are voting Theta instead of Flippy, that says Theta is town and the voters are scum trying to save flippy...

that's out of {AC / Elsa / TLK }

I hadn't really considered how the AC kill fits into that, because previously I'd considered the lurk wagons, so the pool of UL and Thanos maybe blurred my thinking - however, considering the Theta wagon in isolation, makes me consider the AC kill more carefully - if the logic above is theta is the counter wagon, then the fact that scum killed AC straight after really puts a spotlight on Elsa and/or TLK.

you've got to be pretty confident that either your miller or SS claim is going to WIFOM your way through day 2.

I don't see that coming from TLK on his first game actually.

Elsa - possibly but then again, I've whittled that down to 1 scum-spect quite easily

I've just wifom'd myself out of my own cases on these slots.

[profii]

^ I forgot about that

[profii]

Good point well made

[profii]

I don't really care about outing hydras - let's just evaluate the slots on the merits of their play and go from there. I know people are obsessed with meta but in most games there is usually someone I've never played with before so I have no meta of them (I only like first hand meta) so it's no hardship to "start fresh" even if I apparently know the hydra members

anyway, that's irrelevant

I'm on McQueen for reasons I'd discussed earlier -I am ok with TLK but doesn't seem to be as much support so I'll remain with mcqueen

[profii]

3423 - sheeping cheeky a bit, not liking McQueen opportunism from earlier a bit.

[profii]

Una

@3808


I never read the rules properly in any games I play - I give them a skim and let the players fill me in with anything pertinent - I assumed the day reps had a PT but was wrong

[profii]

Game is stagnating

Maybe the day reps should do something?

who is your vote on rn?

[profii]

do you think if the day reps ended the day right now there is a good chance of Ram getting lynched?

[profii]

do you think if the day reps ended the day right now there is a good chance of Ram getting lynched?

No man, it’s seemingly likelier and likelier that I’ll be the one lynched.

4 votes was enough yesterday.

exactly the point I was about to make but I was leading BEF down the path a bit first.

you literally said on the last page you had 5 vote (from memory) on you

now you (currently) are certainly right with me and I also agree with your logic - we have more votes than yesterdays lynch in a smaller pool of players, so given the relatively stagnant/disjointed state of the game I think if the day voters end now, you go.


so BEF says the day reps can do something - there is literally one thing they can do - end the day. On the LAST PAGE you pointed out you think you have 5 votes so there is a case that BEF knows this and if the day reps took his encouragement you die and BEF isn't on the wagon.

I think it's obvious what that looks like - any one else see that?

[profii]

I just went and put a

VOTE: BEF

in my PT

If people don't see that case, I think I'll go TLK but I need to consider BEF / RAM / TLK are all intertwined before I do that. Something stinks.

[profii]

No, I am analyzing Profil’s case on you and it’s obvious, he seems to think this.

Yeah well Profiis case boils down to "this guy wants to end the day early and Lynch my scumread, that's scummy."

So there's that.

Profii are you suggesting multiple scum in the circle of ram/TLK/McQueen/BEF?

If your assertion is that Scum!Bef is making a play to lynch McQueen it would probably be town!McQueen. In that case you would have to think either TLK is fake claiming with bef and Bef is gunning for Ram whom is probably town if it's Before/TLK or Bef/Ram is scum theater and after a day 1 Lynch on scum Ram is a designated bus. Because Bef has pretty much set Ram up to die. That would also mean TLK's SS claim is legit and Scum!Ram is suiciding anyway.

I'm saying my read of TLK and McQueen are both "defenders of the lurk lynch of EFN" - I voted McQueen because it seemed to be the way town was going early in the day phase but I actually think there is more to it.

So I think it's unlikely 2x scum made the same defence of EFN therefore I can see Mcqueen/TLK = T/S therefore if BEF is "suggesting" the day reps "do something" whilst momentum is on McQueen - maybe it's just scum!TLK out of McQueen/tlk - worst case scenario is we are wrong on TLK, claim is legit and he should shoot McQueen imo


I haven't worked out how ram fits in but he seems linked to this via apparent votes.

[profii]

like why cant it be:

bef: hey day reps, can you hammer the day so McQueen dies whilst my vote is on ram and the later VCA will show _____ - I mean it could be BEF/RAM S/S so bef can show he was on a scum wagon if the flips go his way... that fits to me but that doesn't seem to be the conclusion you drew?

[profii]

I guess that would make ram bef and TLK scum- that seems outrageous haha I'm probably off the mark here

[profii]

Oh no Una is scum

You're terrible with your logic slips as scum Una lmao.

This is a good scum tell on Una generally - however like they’re obvious when you’re watching from a dead thread - hes good at getting away with it when you don’t know the game solution - if he has made an obvious derp id be amazed - una has a high BoP from me though, he’s sneaky


I’m kinda waiting until Una says he’s caught up and plays in real time and I’ll decide how I’m sorting him later

I don’t envy the 100+ page catch up :-/

[profii]

TLK was like my vanity vote pref but I think it’s the strongest case so I’m gonna vote there

I’d certainly like to lynch in { TLK / BEF / RAM / McQueen } I think it will be a good info lynch given this little grouping forming

[profii]

Oh no Una is scum

You're terrible with your logic slips as scum Una lmao.

This is a good scum tell on Una generally - however like they’re obvious when you’re watching from a dead thread - hes good at getting away with it when you don’t know the game solution - if he has made an obvious derp id be amazed - una has a high BoP from me though, he’s sneaky

First of all, it stings me to my very core when you guys say I have a "scum tell" and make "terrible slips as scum"..
Especially since I think that so far neither of you has never caught me as scum..right?

Sorry - probably badly phrased - I can recall being in a dead thread and you being like “oh I feel like we should lynch so and so because of so and so”

And in the dead thread I’m like “omg that’s such a scum move i hope the town see it”

But I was dead with spoilers and I don’t remember catching you so you are right


However - that’s now what I look for in your game but idk I probably only see it in the dead thread again

[profii]

This is a good scum tell on Una generally

What are Una's logic slips?

Profii, I can't understand how you would say his slips are only obvious if we know his alignment yet not suspect us of being scum?

~ C

I’ve only ever noticed them WITH spoilers

The test for me is to see if they stand out whilst we are both alive - if he is even scum

It may or may not work - so if it works - you don’t need to be scum to spot them

I’m not saying Una has made a logic slip yet but not really digested his wall posts yet either

[profii]

Something_Smart, who are your biggest scumreads right now? Who are you voting?

~Auro

I'm voting nobody.

I don't have anyone below "this person could be scum" but at that level I have you, Xtoxm, BEF. Maybe Elsa, like others I don't really scumread him per se but wouldn't mind having him out of the game. Ramcius is a massive question mark and probably worth leaving alive until some of the people who have strong opinions on him flip.

Mostly at this point I'm trying to add to my townreads: Alonzo, mcqueen, N&M, TLK, Nero, profii. Una's catchup is pretty good, Gamma and RCE might be town also.

I intend to consolidate on a wagon that's not on one of my townreads, but not until the day is close to ending.

seems somewhat oppurtunistic.

[profii]

I'm gonna treat them as alts until creature says nope. Seems like the sensible way to deal with that.

[profii]

I mean its the name you keep when you're a dragon so it's more consistent than Elsa -d

Ugh spoilers

[profii]

Ugh spoilers

Darth Vader is really Harry's dad and at the end Samwise realizes he was a ghost all along. -d

Day vig !

[profii]

I mean its the name you keep when you're a dragon so it's more consistent than Elsa -d

JaydragonKing?

Hey man profii was already complaining about spoiler alerts

Altho this isnt really a secret, we did talk about it in drd's normal game iirc.

-d

Lol I was joking spoil away

[profii]

If Creature is scum and Mcqueen is town then why wouldn't he push Mcqueen as the mislynch? I'm leaning toward both scum on that interaction. Maybe try to split the vote so they can nudge someone else over the line?

Good thinking

[profii]

Thanos 0-0-0
Ultimate Liars 0-0-0
Profii 0-0-0
Mcqueen 0-0-0
Davesaz 0-0-0
The Last Knight 0-0-0
Cheeky Dancer 0-0-0
Theta Alpine 0-0-0
Elsa Jay 0-0-0
Something_Smart 0-0-0
Gamma Emerald 0-0-0
Xtoxm 0-0-0
DrewVa 0-0-0
BrightEyedFish 0-0-0
Ramcius 0-0-0
Nev and Max 0-0-0
Alonzo 0-0-0
Emperors New Groove 0-0-0
RCEnigma 0-0-0
Nero Cain 0-0-1

you do realize that you've done this exact same thing as scum b4, right?

Was thinking that and also thinking Creature would know people who know that would say that

So he is either brazen open wolf or just town

I don’t really think Creature open wolfs ?

[profii]

Thanos 0-0-0
Ultimate Liars 0-0-0
Profii 0-0-0
Mcqueen 0-0-0
Davesaz 0-0-0
The Last Knight 0-0-0
Cheeky Dancer 0-0-0
Theta Alpine 0-0-0
Elsa Jay 0-0-0
Something_Smart 0-0-0
Gamma Emerald 0-0-0
Xtoxm 0-0-0
DrewVa 0-0-0
BrightEyedFish 0-0-0
Ramcius 0-0-0
Nev and Max 0-0-0
Alonzo 0-0-0
Emperors New Groove 0-0-0
RCEnigma 0-0-0
Nero Cain 0-0-1

you do realize that you've done this exact same thing as scum b4, right?

I think the fact you replaced him in that game is ironic btw. But yes creature is scum claiming.

I think we are talking about different games - did Creature do this twice as scum?

[profii]

Profii how much of nn's game have you forgotten lol?-d

I’m talking about mini normal 2030 which Nero wasn’t in - which one have I forgotten (my memory is awful)

[profii]

I’m talking about mini normal 2030 which Nero wasn’t in - which one have I forgotten (my memory is awful)

Creature didn't do the color-coded points in 2030, only NK15's game -d

lmao and thats how bad my memory is

[profii]

eh

creature is karm?

I'd still go for McQueen but I'm on TLK right now.

[profii]

eh

creature is karm?

I'd still go for McQueen but I'm on TLK right now.

Why would you sit on TLK, when he isn't getting lynched?

someone else was with me when I moved my vote - there are still quite a lot of players and approx. 40% of people didn't declare votes on day 1 - why cant there be others? Given that 4 was all it took to get a lynch yesterday.

[profii]

good thanks, u?

[profii]

creature isn't the lynch today. You replace in an alt because you are either caught scum (I didn't get that impression, no VCA obviously but like we know McQueen had 5 votes which should be enough for a lynch, don't feel that with Creature.) or you are trying to survive (this is my guess) so I think Creature is some kind of PR (hi protective, hi scum, hi wifom!)

I mean, replacing rather than just claiming fits in with that - I mean I claimed and didn't die, so scum are obviously avoiding a protective and my role is relatively rubbish so I think the protective should look at Creature not me.

So we can really really easily ignore creature for today, let's see if he gets a viable result for tomorrow (because the protective will stop him being killed, hi wifom!) and if it's good and pro town and sensible and all that jazz, he lives - if he does something wreckless and stupid then he dies.


That's my theory anyway - distinct reasons to look elsewhere today. Even if scum!creature makes up a result it's an associative we can work with.

[profii]

eh

creature is karm?

I'd still go for McQueen but I'm on TLK right now.

Why would you sit on TLK, when he isn't getting lynched?

someone else was with me when I moved my vote - there are still quite a lot of players and approx. 40% of people didn't declare votes on day 1 - why cant there be others? Given that 4 was all it took to get a lynch yesterday.

Given that no one voted TLK D1 after SS claim and he wasn't lynched despite being top wagon for most of the day I seriously doubt it gonna happen today, especially, when votes are lining up on me, Mc and Creature. Also you not trying to set up someone for hammer is another indication how much you care about TLK lynch

....or if I want to lynch him I think he is scum and therefore isn't a SS?

[profii]

creature isn't the lynch today. You replace in an alt because you are either caught scum (I didn't get that impression, no VCA obviously but like we know McQueen had 5 votes which should be enough for a lynch, don't feel that with Creature.) or you are trying to survive (this is my guess) so I think Creature is some kind of PR (hi protective, hi scum, hi wifom!)

I mean, replacing rather than just claiming fits in with that - I mean I claimed and didn't die, so scum are obviously avoiding a protective and my role is relatively rubbish so I think the protective should look at Creature not me.

So we can really really easily ignore creature for today, let's see if he gets a viable result for tomorrow (because the protective will stop him being killed, hi wifom!) and if it's good and pro town and sensible and all that jazz, he lives - if he does something wreckless and stupid then he dies.


That's my theory anyway - distinct reasons to look elsewhere today. Even if scum!creature makes up a result it's an associative we can work with.

That's a lot words to say that you don't want to be on Mc wagon

I'll happily go on the McQueen wagon though

[profii]

You know, we can easily get four town day reps.

I personally wouldn't want to be in a list of four names as scum.

Yea, we could.
But I just don't think we do.

If I was scum, I would have made it a priority to pick a Day-rep. on my team, simply because it's one more level of control I could potentially use/manipulate.
The question isn't "why take it?" the real question is "Why wouldn't I take it everytime?"

Now, we all know NOW that there was a potential "penalty" of sorts hanging around.
(Meaning that we all got the info at the start of today that scum can pick a Day-rep. amongst themselves if they feel like doing so.)
But I'm willing to bet my ass that they didn't know that before us either, and therefore should've picked one 10/10 times.

There's at least one scum in todays day-reps.
Guarantee it.

I really don’t think it’s that certain

[profii]

Gonna go back to mcqueen - I’d still prefer TLK but it’s not like anyone’s jumping in following the convo earlier and saying “nah profii you are on it TLK is the way to go”

[profii]

Gonna go back to mcqueen - I’d still prefer TLK but it’s not like anyone’s jumping in following the convo earlier and saying “nah profii you are on it TLK is the way to go”

Don't do this profii.
Trust my Duck-sense.

Link me to or re-summarise why Ram please

[profii]

Gonna go back to mcqueen - I’d still prefer TLK but it’s not like anyone’s jumping in following the convo earlier and saying “nah profii you are on it TLK is the way to go”

Don't do this profii.
Trust my Duck-sense.

Link me to or re-summarise why Ram please

My interactions with Karm D1

Specifically ? Link or a summary of please

[profii]

Gonna go back to mcqueen - I’d still prefer TLK but it’s not like anyone’s jumping in following the convo earlier and saying “nah profii you are on it TLK is the way to go”

Don't do this profii.
Trust my Duck-sense.

Link me to or re-summarise why Ram please

My interactions with Karm D1

Specifically ? Link or a summary of please

Una said me and Karm are scumbuddies from my OMGUS on him and we were his top scumreads after catch up

I feel like I’m being dense but I don’t get it at all

[profii]

He did it himself but nice attempt to shade me on your way out

@mcqueen

[profii]

^nevermind

how am i shading you? it's a clearly bad play. if a pr wants to out, they can, but don't ever do it for them. it's not good townplay. i'm the bad guy here?

Hang on, let’s think about this

It’s obvious the route Creature is going with the whole replace out drama

The other part of it is the way Creature has done it is so obvious that if he is town he is baiting a night kill and he is not actually a PR because any scum reading this must be like “oh he thinks he’s important”

Or he is just scum and he is going to make some shit up

I still don’t think he is today’s lynch. I don’t think he dies tonight either and we should be able to make the call really easily tomorrow based on results or lack of or bullshit smells coming from that direction

It should be straightforward

[profii]

I gave the sticky fruit to my loyal dude so hopefully they can give it to someone tonight to 'cop' someone

I also did something else but idk if I should out it yet... I'll let people decide and that

[profii]

nero played a game yesterday and is a day rep today

precedent is given to players who havent played the night game according to day rules.

we mislynched someone on the assumption scum inserted someone into day reps...



like i know nero has a lot of town reads but is anyone worried by that?

[profii]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

Just a reminder as to why Ram is scum.

over night i cross referenced the posts people on the RAM wagon made nearest to their timestamp on their vote... this was BEFs


So he is in my lynch pool too for day rep shenanigans and the above i think

Infact - I'll start off with a BEF vote and see how it goes... voting now...

[profii]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

Just a reminder as to why Ram is scum.

over night i cross referenced the posts people on the RAM wagon made nearest to their timestamp on their vote... this was BEFs


So he is in my lynch pool too for day rep shenanigans and the above i think

Infact - I'll start off with a BEF vote and see how it goes... voting now...

You still haven't picked up on it yet.

apparently not

[profii]

Creature, I have a hard time believing you asked if a flipped townie was scum among yesterday's day reps.
That's the kind of fake townslip that scum like to make.

that was clearly a joke because BEF pushed Ram all of yesterday

That is a good point need to check something!

[profii]

Creature, I have a hard time believing you asked if a flipped townie was scum among yesterday's day reps.
That's the kind of fake townslip that scum like to make.

that was clearly a joke because BEF pushed Ram all of yesterday

BEF started initially with DrewVa and moved to Rami a little bit later

DrewVa and BEF shared a night game

That says BEF waited to find out about other night games as that info was outed later of course

So that means if Scum!BEF then at least 1 of the night games is ALL TOWN as BEF waited for info - I think this was a legit wait as he was one of the earliest Rami voters

Kinda doubting myself because I don’t think scum!BEF would fake the progression of getting to Ram after the info came out- if he did it was a clever ploy I guess

I don’t like that BEF essentially enacted a policy _all_ day so I think in conclusion time to listen to Dave and scum hunt !

[profii]

Btw if I’m just getting voted for opposing the Day Rep theory, wouldn’t scum also want a free ticket for a mislynch? I think the wiser place to look for scum is in people who didn’t question it AT ALL. THAT is what I’d anticipate scum doing.

I like that - do you have a shortlist of people that fit the bill

[profii]

Cheeky Dancer - every time I see your avatar my internal monologue goes “HOLD ME CLOSER TINY DAAAaaaAAANCER”

I can’t sing irl

Anyway

The N&M point looks good but the way that post comes across was like “here is a big case , also another small case on something completely different”

The way I personally will look at stuff is like when I was assessing TLK / Mcqueen yesterday - both defenders of Flippy nips so I still think a potential scum within - I looked at both their progression and decided I liked TLK for scum more just in like a probability kinda way

So my question to you is - as a short summary what makes your N&M case more probable to catch scum, compared to your second case ?

[profii]

I am going to look at Alonzo tomorrow
Which reminds me to reconsider Una as he was the AC read we all noticed when AC was pushing theta then died - might be useful as we kinda went “meh theta inactive” but now we have a bit of content

[profii]

We had snow today

[profii]

Weird - I have not given any thing - modifier or fruit to TLK. Something has interfered with my role

[profii]

But saying that I thought I saw a breadcrumb from the real loyal dude acknowledging that bit so erm ???

[profii]

I kinda want someone to hard claim the sticky fruit to see where it went at this point so we will see

[profii]

I think I have an idea of what happened to the sticky fruit but it's too early to out it just yet.

[profii]

nero played a game yesterday and is a day rep today

precedent is given to players who havent played the night game according to day rules.

we mislynched someone on the assumption scum inserted someone into day reps...



like i know nero has a lot of town reads but is anyone worried by that?

Good thought process here. I want to keep note of this.

Why should we be worried about that?

that was subtle way of saying

I don't want to out all the night game people if we are not claiming it today but if people who are involved in the night game think the pattern of winners = day reps is happening again, maybe that points us mechanically at scum!nero because he was already involved in yesterdays reps and the OP said people who weren't involved would get priority so why is nero even there.


but now that thread has come out - why were only 2 games in there or did I read it wrong?

[profii]

But now I think everyone has been involved in a boonus round and Nero was the first overlap.

I've not which was why I am going down this line of enquiry

[profii]

I kinda want someone to hard claim the sticky fruit to see where it went at this point so we will see

I thought TLK already did hard claim that he got a sticky fruit.

indeed I missed it - I did not give TLK fruit. I did not give him any of my modifier inventor thingys either

[profii]

Weird - I have not given any thing - modifier or fruit to TLK. Something has interfered with my role

Some type of bus driver/redirector?

feasible - I mean I picked the person I made loyal because I thought I saw a breadcrumb that would make my loyal modifier really awesome for that breadcrumb.

if scum coincidently noticed it as well, then yes

but that's ambitious

I have another theory but I am waiting for something to happen on that front.

[profii]

Yeah, this is why I informed town on day 2 of all the prizes which could really mess town's power roles up. But gamma was very against this preferring his privacy, think about that. Preferring no one to know you won when prizes like:-immune to night actions-immune to tracking

yeah stuff like this would mess up my loyal/fruit passing plan so it could be anything this makes things less reliable

[profii]

I'm mistaken actually, boon bank roles can be variants and in our large there can be 2 variants. Not sure what that means honestly, I don't have any context for what variants roles are.

I am a variant role. I checked this with Boon. I claimed inventor - I can add modifiers to people, I've used 2/3. So I occupy one of those variant slots

[profii]

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

Why would you make loyal and send sticky fruit to someone you scumread and voted?

PP - why do you think I made TLK loyal AND gave him the sticky fruit

bearing in mind i said i thought i saw a breadcrumb of a role that would be awesome for loyal - it was not TLK, i spotted the breadcrumb way before the SS claim but obviously i had until night to fully decide and giving a SS loyal is stupid as if he is legit town i don't want him to only be able to team kill (if that even works like that)

[profii]

I received a sticky fruit so I’m going to give the fruit to the person I made loyal and then I guess they can cop someone

Why would you make loyal and send sticky fruit to someone you scumread and voted?

PP - why do you think I made TLK loyal AND gave him the sticky fruit

bearing in mind i said i thought i saw a breadcrumb of a role that would be awesome for loyal - it was not TLK, i spotted the breadcrumb way before the SS claim but obviously i had until night to fully decide and giving a SS loyal is stupid as if he is legit town i don't want him to only be able to team kill (if that even works like that)

Because you said you made loyal the person who you were giving the sticky fruit to. Obviously, if TLK is lying you didn't give either to him. Probably should have phrased it as a question, but I didn't. oh well.

This is really weird - i got the sticky fruit the day i gave the loyal out and the person who i made loyal is not reacting like they are loyal so i don't think the intended person got it either...


Urgh

[profii]

I am so confused but I'm just going to ignore the mechanics because something has gone very wrong haha - I am visiting family this weekend so will be bored and have time to go read stuff and just do regular scum huntings and ting fam yo brap.

[profii]

Inventor isn't in the rolebook either. Maybe the variants can be roles outside of the list? It's pretty confusing.

Are the people that you give modifiers to notified that this happens?

exactly - when i was claiming on day 1 it occurred to me my role wasn't on the list so i asked boon why and he said there can be variants.

so i am one - if we get too many variant claims we become a lynch pool immediately (including me obvs)

[profii]

it just says "they will be informed of their gift" which is why since i claimed I've just said what i did so we can account for it later.

it doesn't say if they know it's me

[profii]

but i remember asking when they get it - so like i gave out loud last night, that person should have received it at day start today, so they get to think about that tonight, along with the +1 ability i also give out when modifying

[profii]

omg I think I just worked out whats going on

VOTE: TLK

not going to out it yet for protection of the loyal fruit person but I'll say as much as I don't believe TLK has the sticky fruit.

[profii]

Inventor isn't in the rolebook either. Maybe the variants can be roles outside of the list? It's pretty confusing.

Are the people that you give modifiers to notified that this happens?

exactly - when i was claiming on day 1 it occurred to me my role wasn't on the list so i asked boon why and he said there can be variants.

so i am one - if we get too many variant claims we become a lynch pool immediately (including me obvs)

So does that mean, some form of redirect is possible?

Nope - Greatest possibility at the moment is TLK flapped in the face of PP asking about receiving and lied as he knew about the existence of the sticky fruit

I don’t want to put any more info out than that but it fits the mechanics without having to consider “did a redirect or hit the person I targeted to be our loyal” which is just a stretch too far for me

[profii]

Vig list: EJ
Kokichi
n&m
GE
xtox?
and others.

Xtoxm? Wasn’t he on Flippy?

Yea you 3 are pretty town to me seeing as scum lynched on that wagon- people were saying probable bus so why would scum encourage those people and narrow their pool - especially when none of you are doing anything alarming

Note to self - see who was pushing day 1 scum bus and look there first!

[profii]

But at least profii and TLK havent been part of a round yet, and there’s at least 1 more

Profil hasn’t? How did he get the sticky fruit then?

? You don’t get sticky fruit from a boonus game...

It’s passed by whoever the vender is (role)

yeah - someone had the sticky fruit role and i gave it to the person i made loyal. it was not tlk so that is a problem

[profii]

Just to be clear here, TLK somehow got the sticky fruit but someone else has the loyal mod right?

I believe someone else successfully got the loyal and I don’t believe the TLK sticky fruit claim

[profii]

TLk just to be absolutely right

Can you just double confirm you got a sticky fruit please?

[profii]

TLk just to be absolutely right

Can you just double confirm you got a sticky fruit please?

Btw day people don’t end the day until this is cleared up

[profii]

TLk just to be absolutely right

Can you just double confirm you got a sticky fruit please?

Btw day people don’t end the day until this is cleared up

Just want to point out something: I think profii is absolutely capable of doing something as bold as this when scum.
Just because they claim to have spread inventions around, shouldn't townlock them as hard as they apparently have been. (?)
Or is there anything else to absolutely cement them as town?

you are right there is nothing mechanically making me town

[profii]

you are right there is nothing mechanically making me town

And I want to be clear here profii, my man, I do not currently think you are scum.
I just think your might be way more able as scum than anyone gives you credit for.
You can come across so fking innocent and true, that if we just write you off as town based off of a role..we could be digging our way to a mass grave..

lol


<----- doggo lyfe


i have a theory on the sticky fruit but i really need to TLK to confirm he got a sticky fruit 100% then we will go from there.

[profii]

Dave fits in the same category as SS.

While S_S is something close to a perfect 50/50 to me, I'm really getting some gutvibes for scum!dave.
I've seen plenty of town!Dave, and I've been scum WITH dave, so I'm thinking my gut might just be correct..

I'm the opposite, Dave seems ok but in my gut im like he always seems ok but S_S really bugs me and id be looking closely there if there wasnt other priorities rn

[profii]

^^^ Interesting because i thought i was being fairly scum read day 1 hence my claim... curious

[profii]

Dunno I still have my doubts but there are bigger issues.

So like, could I see you getting the stickyfruit and coming up with a plan to "make someone loyal" and cop check a partner as scum? Well sure. That's pretty good tbh.

i'd probably go one further and just try and loyal up a town dude to get cred because my innos were legit if i was scum

im not sure if that plan would put me at a huge disadvantage if im scum but it seems ok just thinking about it... dunno doesnt matter