BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[DrewVa]

SS or EJ is scum.
SS or Dave or Creat is scum.

We lynch SS first to solve both simultaneously.

PEdit:

Dunno. Would take more effort than I care to spend to determine town/scum intent, and I already decided not to artificially inflate reads for townreads this game.

No way Creature is scum. He used the disloyal on Unah, among other things.

[DrewVa]

Good inference

Didnt someone say ac lost n1 at some point?

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[DrewVa]

when did gamma say she took a hood shot?

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It would have had to be N1, right?

[DrewVa]

The only room that had a disloyal modifier prize, both claimed they kept disloyal and SS claimed he was gifted disloyal. And since 2 =/= 3... Someone's a liar.

Obviously not Creature due to Unah disloyal, so one of SS/Dave is lying about that.

[DrewVa]

Only room that had a disloyal modifier at that point*

Not sure if any had this modifier afterwards.

I wish we had one, then I could have probably convinced DVa to use our vig on SS.

[DrewVa]

Vigshot cant be charged, iirc hood shots cannot either

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[DrewVa]

I have no idea if our day ability counts as a targeted ability actually, I guess I kinda was thinking not since at a glance it would taste op

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[DrewVa]

If her day ability is affected and the vig isn't, loyal is actually way better.

If her day ability is affected, weak is potentially gamebreaking.

We don’t have a vig anymore, we used it up on Elsa. Is that right @Boon?

And the +1 doesn’t work with vig. The “activate” OTOH, is permanent.

[DrewVa]

If her ability works with modifiers then great. It's not as valuable now as it could be later though.

Activate is a modifier.

[DrewVa]

Any protectives out there, Drewva is now the priority target. Thank you for your cooperation.

I am not sure this is the case until we get conf from the mod

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[DrewVa]

Any protectives out there, Drewva is now the priority target. Thank you for your cooperation.

Bolding this for good measure.

[DrewVa]

I don't see how this passes review if our day ability is affected by modifiers but it's a nice thought lol -d

[DrewVa]

You realize that if it works with modifiers and she's weak we either get 3 conftown per day or a guaranteed scumlynch, right?

When the number of participants drops yes. Her targets aren't guaranteed to be in the same room. So there is always the possibility those slots would have been selected regardless of her ability.

I think? I don't know how the ability works or the boonus round selection.

We don’t affect the actual number of candidates but we can directly influence who 3 of those are each day.

[DrewVa]

You realize that if it works with modifiers and she's weak we either get 3 conftown per day or a guaranteed scumlynch, right?

When the number of participants drops yes. Her targets aren't guaranteed to be in the same room. So there is always the possibility those slots would have been selected regardless of her ability.

I think? I don't know how the ability works or the boonus round selection.

Yup, thus weak being better than loyal in this particular instance. Loyal can give guilties if one of her targets doesn't show up in a boonus round, but weak she dies if she targets scum. Assuming of course that it is affected by the modifier, which I don't see why it wouldn't be. Other than, you know, balance.

Wouldn’t it be ideal for us to get loyal in that case? So, we can only activate town? but like I said, the actual numbet of participants isn’t affected by our role.

[DrewVa]

I have a guess about tonight's kill and it's not us or jingle

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[DrewVa]

Yeah I get it now. That's my thing though it seems very broken.

Not sure I completely follow the discussion on pg 286 but it's plausible. Sometimes hosts later realize "uhoh, didn't realize that." It happens.

~ P

Boon probably just says "lolnope not a visiting role"

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[DrewVa]

I have a guess about tonight's kill and it's not us or jingle

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Can it be me? Not by vigi obviously, but maybe mafia will be sick of my shit and take me out.

Yes. We actually have a full mechanical solve of the game so long as elsa jay is alive tomorrow. That's right, if scum do not shoot elsa they are 100% doomed.

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[DrewVa]

Yes, our slot is really scummy, we are definitely a potential mislynch. Scum, listen to performer here.

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[DrewVa]

Also I noticed you can activate multiple times in a post, if you get gifted weak don't do this. Then we have to guess who the bad apple is.

We can do it all in one or spread them out, so long as we format it correctly.

And it’s only a day action, so we wouldn’t die, if we got “weak”, because we’re not actually VISITING anyone.

[DrewVa]

Yes, our slot is really scummy, we are definitely a potential mislynch. Scum, listen to performer here.

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[DrewVa]

I have a guess about tonight's kill and it's not us or jingle

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Can it be me? Not by vigi obviously, but maybe mafia will be sick of my shit and take me out.

Yes. We actually have a full mechanical solve of the game so long as elsa jay is alive tomorrow. That's right, if scum do not shoot elsa they are 100% doomed.

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We have the game solved?

[DrewVa]

Hmm, it's still strong but not as strong as I thought then if that's how it works.

I would still space them out in case.

But activate/=a visit, so how does weak affect that?

[DrewVa]

Profii I think it is a shot so if you gifted it to nero then he should have received the shot and would be able to charge transfer someone else on night of his choosing if I understand right (spoiler--not sure I do)

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[DrewVa]

part of me wants to ask wisdom to come replace someone who asked if he should replace out.

~ P

Please, God no. Have a heart.

[DrewVa]

part of me wants to ask wisdom to come replace someone who asked if he should replace out.

~ P

Please, God no. Have a heart.

I'd pay for round 2.

What have I ever done to you?

[DrewVa]

I forget who even talked about being replaced

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[DrewVa]

I forget who even talked about being replaced

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I just don’t want it to be Wisdom.

[DrewVa]

You had to use it immediately? You couldn't hold it until you had more charges; i.e. You have charge now right?

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[DrewVa]

The Boon has confirmed that our activation is not a visiting role

we don't have anything else to visit people with rn so giving us a weak/loyal would not be super helpful

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[DrewVa]

That's right scum, Elsa has a secret wincondition where if he collects every modifier, Town Immediately Wins the Game.

The only logical choice is to shoot Elsa tonight, scum.

Otherwise your loss is guaranteed.

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[DrewVa]

No

Local Scum refuses the day end vote for fear of the death of his comrade.

More news on the matter at 11.

Elsa is nothing but always entertaining. I’ll give you that.

[DrewVa]

elsa saying woohoo makes me nervous but I'm too over this dayphase to care lol
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[DrewVa]

Tomorrow game time im gonna reread doolittles game and see if this is how you sounded when bussing jason

Ss still dies today

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[DrewVa]

You forgot to include the "Elsa is naturally a Survivor" factor in it.

Silly Dva, I'm a Serial Killer by nature. The only allies I have is the ones I spare so that they may worship me.

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[DrewVa]

Hmm, didn't know I was a day rep

maybe he forgot again?

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[DrewVa]

I think Nancy is reading Creature here more on tone, that he seems more confident?

I was thinking he's a slight lean town given that I kinda didn't think he'd replace in on his main from Karmeleon as scum, but that's not like a rock solid reason to townread him, just kinda a gut thing.

He might be worth revisiting in future days but I still would say he prolly flips town here

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[DrewVa]

Can someone please page creature to remind him he's a dayrep?

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[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

I think I've exhausted my collection of good DVa dance gifs.

I may need to call in for some support from some allies~~

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[DrewVa]

Alright, well you did some line dancing so.... guess I can call in the gents~!

[DrewVa]

Break it down, Rein!

[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

Come on Elsa, you can dance... just let your inhibitions... go

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[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

does the purple in that one make it evil elsa?

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[DrewVa]

Now we just need a gif of evil elsa dancing -d

[DrewVa]

@Boon, @tw, any chance you can prod Creature, CD? Thanks.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Something_Smart

The funny thing is he tried the "self-vote" trick as his first post too, and now he's lost his steam to push me.

Smart's been given up on by his teammates too. Well, except Nev probably.

I’m not convinced BEF is town, he was adamant you die over SS.

[DrewVa]

The fish is the least of our worries, but if a volunteer MIRACULOUSLY had a vig shot lying around and didn't feel like shooting Nev or Gamma for some reason, he's always someone funny to shoot.

Unfortunately, we don’t have vig anymore. We only have our day ACTIVATE. Oh and by the way, it is resistant to all modifiers, since it doesn’t actually involve us visiting anyone.

No, why Gamma? She’s town.

[DrewVa]

Dva didn't read Cheeky claiming a vig shot and wanting to shoot Gamma, I see...

This is Nancy, DVa almost always signs (except when she’s posting dance gifs).

And I DID read that and I think they were reaction testing Gamma. Gamma is still town, though.

[DrewVa]

I know it's Nancy when she alt slips the post before the one I respond too, I joked on the Dva thing.

Oh.

[DrewVa]

I know this doesn’t count

but

VOTE: End the motherfucking Day, already!

[DrewVa]

Misrep. Nancy has altslipped 20 times since meph is also nancy. That's right. Nancy has altslipped twice the posts of flippyscum



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[DrewVa]

Misrep. Nancy has altslipped 20 times since meph is also nancy. That's right. Nancy has altslipped twice the posts of flippyscum



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You forgot about RightKnight but of course, that was intentional.

[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

VOTE: End the day

For the penguins.

[DrewVa]

I’m kinda surprised no ones posted safety dance.

[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

I think Nancy is reading Creature here more on tone, that he seems more confident?

I was thinking he's a slight lean town given that I kinda didn't think he'd replace in on his main from Karmeleon as scum, but that's not like a rock solid reason to townread him, just kinda a gut thing.

He might be worth revisiting in future days but I still would say he prolly flips town here

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Well, I directly counterclaimed S_S, so that should mean something.

You’re town role cop?

[DrewVa]

What do we do now?

Day 4 has begun!!

Day 4 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Creature
Cheeky Dancer
Profii
PenguinPower

(expired on 2019-02-11 18:00:00) on February 11th, 2019.

It’s a close run race and either lynch probably has valid pros and cons

I’m going S_S and I think most people have had a chance to consider

VOTE: end of day

L-2 to end of day

We wait for Boon or Quackup, I guess.

@Boon, @tw, please lock, kthanx.

[DrewVa]

Since you wanna die anyway, what action did you target me in paricular with?

I dont understand. You're saying you disloyal vigged AC on n1??!? If you did a disloyal action on AC, well then I guess my sr on you has been right .

My revealed actions:
N2: disloyal action on EJ - failed
N3: disloyal action on Una - failed

if that wasn't clear

[DrewVa]

That's a scummy response that should be hung tommorow.

I can do that too, RC.

How is RCE scum for not wanting to rolefish?

[DrewVa]

I wonder if Flavor Leaf is just watching the Super Bowl

this could be like, a really long twilight

LOL

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[DrewVa]

Interesting. We were not in a Boonus but we are dayreps.

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[DrewVa]

it was complete horseshit and also the sky is blue, what else is new

there are some mechanical questions I have there but I think I need to process some stuff

long story short:
a) yes elsa lied about the unvote and the timestamp talk was all complete bullshit
b) no that doesn't explain the disloyal results on him
c) on a kind of related point, I want creature to clarify the timeline on his getting asceticized
d) yes an important question for me right now is whether *any action at all* has succeeded on elsa given he could just be asceticized, given that creature was asceticized and the mechanism by which that occurred is unclear to me rn
e) is there room in the setup for scum to have a mechanism by which to make people ascetic when there also seems to be some sort of redirecting bullshit given what happened with the sticky fruit

longer story even shorter:
those mech questions about elsa are boring af, so maybe let's get some updated reads lists now that we have 2 scum flips

I wanna know what people think about dave

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[DrewVa]

People keep questioning my alignment, I'll get pissed off and Boon will be finding a replacement. Shut the fuck up already, I'm town and there is no possible question about it.

you know I didn't say "dave is scum and he must die today" so this doesn't really make me want to know what people about your slot any less

like, you're just a high priority sort for me given the existing poe

but I'm not trying to shut you down or get you tilted, I just need to figure out your alignment one way or the other

when you get back online I would like to know whether you feel N&M's actions in the boonus round were scum-motivated or just sloppy because I can't gloss that from what you said rn

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[DrewVa]

How confident do you feel it wasn't scum stalling or theater?

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[DrewVa]

This is today's lynch, then, right? Any chance of this being a case of "Elsa is Elsa"?

as the rest of the post mentioned, the question is mechanically how we have disloyal results on elsa. If he is ascetic, did S_S just get lucky with jailkeeping us when we were taking our shot?

If there was a single person who could confirm they had an action work on Elsa then ideally we could confirm he wasn't ascetic. Otherwise I guess we'd have to consider something like scum commuter? scum commuter + scum jailkeeper sounds a bit weird but not impossible

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[DrewVa]

When it comes to S_S, I think the only thing I was right about so far this game is that S_S thought his chances yesterday were good enough that he actually would send the hood to profii

I mean I was pretty fucking wrong on everything else about him and Nancy is still poking me about it like every other day or so

basically I have no idea why he said he was checking xtoxm. I mean, I never even saw that message personally, my was access removed before I saw the final end of messages at the end of that round.

So my first guess would be "to fuck with us" but if Elsa is commuter/bp he might have actually jailed xtoxm to dodge an off tracker result

you think elsa is just bp and somehow two separate people were individually blocked trying to get results on elsa?

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[DrewVa]

Thanos, I feel like we haven't properly caught up in a while
-How is Lamees? Is this just 'your account' now or what?
-I remember smelling just a whiff of town Auro back when we had that 1v1 but you haven't really been obvtowning yourself much lately
-You said yesterday, I believe, that with some charges you could be mechanically cleared town. Would you like to expand on that? Do you need to be in a boonus round, or do you think that if anyone wins a charge transfer that you could tell them why they should use it to send you charges? How many charges do you need to obvtown yourself?
-Do you think that there is a chance N&M would have forced a no-win in your boonus round to prevent you from getting a charge if you can be mechanically cleared, given you did, I believe, say as much yesterday?

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[DrewVa]

Hmm, no it would be better if they said they received a friendly neighbor result from you without you saying their name first.

I guess there's enough mechanical hijinks that have been going on in this game that is there strong opposition to everyone just claiming if they got shit last night--messages from the mod about alignments, fruit, sticky fruit, other bullshit?

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[DrewVa]

So if anyone really wants charges now's the time to say so

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Helpful it would be.

I was going to hold out, but think this is highly relevant bordering on urgent now.
I kept the disloyal, targeted Elsa N2, and got no result.
Possible meanings:
Elsa is town
I was RB'd, JK'd, etc
Elsa has ascetic or similar -- is there a role that can be targeted by nothing, not even a vig?

S-S would be lying for 2/3 of those possible meanings.

Following up on this -- do you need more charges?

This is, btw, partly why you are a high priority sort. If a convincing case can be made for you being town, then you are a candidate for activation. Are you at 0 charges rn?

the question remains why you got no result on elsa from a mechanical POV but given the events with the sticky fruit and TLK I do not at all think Elsa is clear here (Nancy, btw, might disagree)

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[DrewVa]

@everyone: did you get messages from the mod about alignments, fruit, sticky fruit, other bullshit?

btw, answering this question should also not be an excuse to prodge, I want people giving updated lists after the second flip, that preferably include more people than the black hole of Elsa Jay which is not an interesting read to me rn despite the remaining mech questions there

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[DrewVa]

sorry if I'm being kinda pushy btw, I'm just like, basically ready to push for a solve and close out this bitch

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[DrewVa]

Pretty sure most actions should still go through a jailkeep, so unless dave is claiming like, disloyal vig? that doesn't help

the ascetic question is something I've been trying to sort, I'd kinda like Nero to say who he neighborized (*assuming he took that)

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[DrewVa]

There were only 2 boonus rounds last night correct?

were there?

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[DrewVa]

Thanos you started with 0 charges?

Not disbelieving just thinking

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[DrewVa]

Cheeky Dancer has died. They were a...

Spoiler:

CheekyTeeky and Performer

Welcome, Cheeky Dancer, you are a Town 1-shot Motion Detector.

Abilities:
• At night, you may target a player. You will learn if they used an action, or if they were targeted by an action, if any. You will receive "You detected motion." or "You did not detect motion."

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying in your Confessionals Thread.

I thought they jailkept us the night we tried to vig Elsa.

[DrewVa]

@everyone: did you get messages from the mod about alignments, fruit, sticky fruit, other bullshit?

btw, answering this question should also not be an excuse to prodge, I want people giving updated lists after the second flip, that preferably include more people than the black hole of Elsa Jay which is not an interesting read to me rn despite the remaining mech questions there

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still doing this btw

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[DrewVa]

No mod message

Read list in a bit

Helpful

If people did not receive anything they can say that, would speed things up just a bit

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[DrewVa]

@Creature can you give us a quick and clear timeline of you and this ascetic business. "On night 1, I was gifted the ascetic modifier" -- was it clearly a gift that seemed to come from the Boonus round? etc. etc.

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[DrewVa]

Anything I received last night is not protown to claim.

I'm not, off hand, sure how this helps, but if you received a gifted prize we can bracket that off for now.

Can you do a quick checklist instead then:

"I did not receive a 'message' from the mod, i.e. 'Roadhog is town'" --

"I did not receive fruit" --

"I did not receive sticky fruit" --

"I did not enter a neighborhood" --

etc.

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[DrewVa]

I wasn't gifted ascetic N1.

are you just ascetic as part of your role pm or were you gifted n2? Can you just be clear?

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[DrewVa]

I got no Boonus prizes, and anything that happened to me last night is because of my own role. It isn't a good idea for me to claim right now, but on my flip or claim this will become obvious.

are you claiming ascetic/commuter?

but basically most of the answers to that question would be "no" then right?

like you're a pretty important sort too and if you're ascetic too that is something you would want to claim now

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[DrewVa]

I'm ascetic kill me

When did you get ascetic if it was a gift?

It wasn't really a gift.

I guess I had no idea how to correctly parse this joke. I'm not trying to be unfunny, but ascetic was a giftable prize n1 so maybe you can understand why I wanted to make sure here

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[DrewVa]

I haven't intimated anything.

Go do some yoga and calm down.

Ahh yes, the old say some wild shit and then act like the guy responding is crazy act. I love this gaslighting

It's not gaslighting.

I gave him a list, he gave two suspects, and you jumped to a conclusion.

More relevant to actually solving the game, who do you think is scum out of that list?

Asking why I haven't questioned his read, and then telling me to go do some yoga when I implore him to put whatever info he's claiming to have is what I'm claiming is gaslighting.

As far as your list:

Profii and Gamma ping me the hardest. Nero is close behind. I think mala is reading thanos as scummy, and with the way Lamees talks to me/about me I can see that.

Ok but why would mala scum read someone who is confirmed town? Is Malakitty still sick or something

Are you currently townreading N & M?

[DrewVa]

Oh and I don’t know if DVa has done this or not, since I have not been reading the thread, partially due to a hangover,

Anyway.

Actuvate: [Thanos]

[DrewVa]

Hot take: independent of reads Xtox is the best lynch for today.

Disagree. He was on Flippy wagon. Our vote is currently on N & M. I didn’t like how they kept trying to postpone the EOD, in order to stop scum!SS lynch.

I will fight you on Xtoxm.

[DrewVa]

Oh and I don’t know if DVa has done this or not, since I have not been reading the thread, partially due to a hangover,

Anyway.

Actuvate: [Thanos]

What does this mean? Are you voting thanos

Drew already explained her powers. She sends 3 people to the Shadow Realm Boonus Room.

[DrewVa]

Oh and I don’t know if DVa has done this or not, since I have not been reading the thread, partially due to a hangover,

Anyway.

Actuvate: [Thanos]

What does this mean? Are you voting thanos

Drew already explained her powers. She sends 3 people to the Shadow Realm Boonus Room.

I misspelled it.

Activate: [Thanos]

[DrewVa]

Day 4 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Something_Smart [12]: Thanos [1/28, 10:54], Nero Cain [1/29, 00:19], RCEnigma [1/29, 04:14], Elsa Jay [1/29, 07:55], Profii [1/30, 01:46], Xtoxm [1/30, 08:36], Davesaz [1/30, 08:38], Jingle [1/30, 10:24], Cheeky Dancner [2/1, 09:45], DrewVa [2/1, 17:02], PenguinPower [2/2, 05:47], Creature [2/2, 10:31] ------ [LYNCH]

Elsa Jay [3]: Nev and Max [1/28, 11:03], BrightEyedFish [1/29, 03:42], Something_Smart [1/29, 07:11]

Not Voting [2]: Gamma Emerald, UnaBombah

Night ends in (expired on 2019-02-06 22:00:00) on February 6th, 2019.

Day 1 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [/12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]
Theta Alpine[3]: - Almost Chara [12/27, 14:50], Elsa Jay [12/28, 17:41], The Last Knight [12/28, 17:35]
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - Ultimate Liars [12/15, 22:02], BrightEyedFish [12/28, 00:23]
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald [12/19, 12:37], Nero Cain [12/27, 14:52]
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma [12/20, 17:19],
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max [12/16, 16:58]
RCEnigma [1]: - Theta Alpine [12/18, 07:59]
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii [12/28, 17:01]

Not Voting [1]: Emperor flippyNips

Xtoxm was on two scumwagons. No way in hell am I ever lynching that.

[DrewVa]

Did you commute night 4?

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[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

@mcqueen, thats a good point but i think trying to coordinate it the # players we have atm is too messy

What is this in reference to?

scum SS possibility

15mins.
im on nips.
could move to theta.
its looking like a low threshold plurality lynch
5ish votes i'd expect, unless scum group on someone

That a is a good vote
So is ss and McQueen
Can everyone take a moment to realise how bad their last minute wagon on me was

This is some grade A bussing if Xtoxm is scum

fun to think about but I find it pretty unlikely rn

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[DrewVa]

Sorry I meant did you commute night 3

whatever fucking night "someone cheated death" did you commute that night

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[DrewVa]

Is there more to your townread of Xtox or is it just he was on the D1 scum wagon?

This is indeed the vast majority of my personal read on xtoxm and you are welcome to critique his bus there, I'm not ignoring you although I am processing some other stuff rn too

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[DrewVa]

Hot take: independent of reads Xtox is the best lynch for today.

I'm not sure how you reached this conclusion from a mechanical POV which seems to be the implication

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[DrewVa]

day rep selection mechanic means and trying to scumhunt using it right now is a trap.

do you think BEF is scummy for pushing this big can of wifom so hard today?

/leading question

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[DrewVa]

That's a terrible towncase. Is there more?

Are you serious? What about him, makes him scum? No, it’s not. I don’t believe scum busses twice in this kind of setup.

There are also plenty of early interactions that show anti-partnery interactions between Xtoxm and SS. I don’t even understand how you’re pushing this?

[DrewVa]

The latter is magnitudes of order more likely imo, and, more importantly, if the former IS the case, EJ cannot have performed the scum kill, and continues to not be able to perform the scum kill.

for jingle this seems like a pretty bad mechanical slip

@Boon, if a scum player had the weak modifier and they targeted a town player, would they die?

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[DrewVa]

So to be clear, there is no reason whatsoever to think that you are the reason for the missing nightkill?

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[DrewVa]

Things I want today:
>Gamma Emerald to be more townie in this thread so I don't have to waste time defending her
>Xtoxm to [do more stuff]
>Nero Cain to say who he neighborized
>Creature to expand on his reasoning behind taking the ascetic modifier, and whether he would remove the ascetic modifier if he had access to a modifier scrubber given that has appeared in some rooms
>Dave to just keep doing dave for the moment, keep doing dave, dave.
>BrightEyedFish to talk about things that aren't the fucking day reps because that is just a really boring theory to me rn
>Nev and Max to... what do I want this slot to do. idk, "if you were scum with something smart, would you try to case alonzo in a boonus room to direct night actions there because you were killing him?" idk, it's bothering me a little that S_S directed us to Elsa when that would be a black hole, and your play in the boonus room seems a little closer to that to me now. just something bothering me. I guess a related question here is why did it feel like you were pushing alonzo more in the boonus room than you were in thread?
>Elsa: Who is a better lynch than you rn?

-d

[DrewVa]

Elsa probably gets lynched today because he's just too beautiful for this thread

Also because he fucking killed mcqueen indirectly

but MOSTLY because he's too beautiful for this thread

but I'd like to know who we should have lynched today instead so tomorrow is more interesting

-d

[DrewVa]

An Xtox town lynch confirms Thanos.
An Xtox scum lynch means Thanos is potentially scum.

wtf are you talking about, we just activated thanos. We can just get him to send another message, assuming people don't fuck up the boonus round again

why are you acting like he's 1-shot?

-d

[DrewVa]

Xtox claimed to have targeted EJ with a vig N3

can someone quote this post for me plz

-d

[DrewVa]

the mindmeld with penguin is real

-d

[DrewVa]

First of all, I'm acting like he's conftown.

Second of all, a second friendly neighbor shot is a terrible use of a Boonus prize unless Xtox is scum. Him keeping it assumes that there's nothing better than friendly neighbor on the list of prizes. Pretty much every prize we've seen is better than friendly neighbor having a second shot.

Third, that's a very small part of why xtox is mechanically the best lynch and thus today's priority sort.

you just fucking proposed lynching xtoxm with one reason being "that clears thanos" -- like, come on dude, that's some shit reasoning

a second friendly neighbor shot is a perfectly fine use of a boonus prize given we should have like 4 winners per night and several people already have plenty of charges. the prizes are in addition to the +1, not exclusive.

third point you just need to remind me when xtox claimed a vig shot because I kinda just don't remember that

-d

pedit: okay, so yeah, xtox is NOT the best fucking lynch from a mechanical perspective

you can tell me more about BEF and N&M reads tho

[DrewVa]

Jingle/drewva flips scum I can see the other flipping the same alignment

y?

-d

[DrewVa]

Well done, dave. You have inadvertently posted a more compelling towncase than drewva imo.

when did we towncase gamma recently?

-d

[DrewVa]

Fair. Xtox's scum motive wasn't that though. It was casting doubt on the disloyal actions. Considering that he was on EJ until SS was sunk I find that considerably more concerning than possible distancing.

are you preflipping EJ as town?

-d

[DrewVa]

Also the way you've defended kokichi's slot all game. With 5 scum I'm going to run under the assumption not all of the scum can distance simultaneously.

I've defended kokichi's slot all game? This is at me right?

-d

[DrewVa]

Disclaimer I don't scumread you, I do slightly scumreads jingle though I think there are better lynches *Should be red flags for Nancy since I said this same thing in OK2 but it fits*.

I actually kinda feel like this is where I'm at anyway, I just don't really know why you'd say jingle spews our slot scum but I'm not too worried about it, just trying to get in your head a bit better

I don't think I've ever had so many mechanical issues with jingle's thought process or so many issues with his reads

but now we have Elsa, who functionally has acted like a scum commuter, and Jingle, who is {possibly annoying town, possibly aggressive scum} claiming town commuter, saying him commuting last night was somehow protown because he thought he baited a nightkill after... why? replacing into a null-scum slot and helping sink SS?

Like it's not a cross-claim but there's a lot of people who have a lot of potential for failed night actions rn

-d

[DrewVa]

Yes, I recall you being one of the main supporters of Kokichi and UL being town based on meta.

true, and that meta read had literally just won me a game at the time so I was feeling good about it. That being said kokichi is aware I read him for activity, but I wasn't sure how much he would warp his meta for just my read so I didn't want to toss it. It's not a foolproof tell tho and I don't think I presented it as such

-d

[DrewVa]

Well sure you know that now, a thousand posts later

-d

[DrewVa]

I don't even know how I'm even still here.

speedlynching you seemed like a waste of a dayphase is long story short

-d

[DrewVa]

are you saying that me and my scumbuddy S_S conspired together to get a 2 for 1 on a miller?

the master of mechanics also wants to lynch you because you conftown the already likely conftown thanos and because he made up that you vigged EJ

like I almost wonder if Jingle has to be town here because I think if he was scum his push wouldn't be so shoddy

*watches RCE cringe, 'no don't defend Jingle even more'*

-d

[DrewVa]

alright fam, riddle me this -- why does Dave claim to have two modifiers?

dave was the second one gifted after you had already claimed the first?

-d

[DrewVa]

oh okay

did you get a result last night then?

-d

[DrewVa]

Your odds of lynching me are about as good as my odds of lynching you.

Except that the Penguin would likely get me on their side, voting you.

I'm getting major scum-tingles from the Jingles.
Also scumvibes from Nev to the Max...

Doubling down on Unah town and by extension (not that it’s even necessary) but Creature as well for his disloyal on him.

[DrewVa]

Jingle/drewva flips scum I can see the other flipping the same alignment

y?

-d

Dafuq?

You serious, RCE? *Mind blown*

Why does scum!us ever give you an activate or vote SS? We are already confitown here. Our vig failed on jailkept Elsa.

[DrewVa]

If I weren't so ridiculously paranoid about DrewVa this game would be fine at this point.......

One of Jingle/RCE.
BEF+N&M.
Elsa?

I was sure he was town but now, I’m seriously questioning that. Like who have we activated who’s scum here, unless it’s RCE?

[DrewVa]

If I weren't so ridiculously paranoid about DrewVa this game would be fine at this point.......

One of Jingle/RCE.
BEF+N&M.
Elsa?

I was sure he was town but now, I’m seriously questioning that. Like who have we activated who’s scum here, unless it’s RCE?

I’m referring to RCE.

Jingle pushing obvtown Xtoxm is bad and yeah, can definitely see BEF and N & M as scum. Not sure about Elsa, due to Creature disloyal.

[DrewVa]

I'll say I haven't scumread drewva since the 1v1 with Thanos but if one of Jingle/drewva flips scum I can see the other flipping the same alignment.

The flips I needed in order to townread creature were something like cheeky/drewva town, Gamma either alignment. If Drewva is town creature is town imo. I also thought cheeky was stickyfruit vendor not JK or motion detector.

FOS on RCE for the bolded as it makes 0 sense and feels like a possible setup.

[DrewVa]

Voting SS wasn't like an avoidable thing idk why everyone keeps using that. If jingle flips scum it makes me reevaluate your slot. Unpopular opinion w/e. I still don't scumread you.

Still think Una is town for the reaction to my claim even if my original read was based on false information given to me.

Why would Jingle flip cause you to re-evaluate your read on us?

[DrewVa]

Yikes, bring back Dva.

You think we would view this differently?

[DrewVa]

i would be surprised and very impressed if rce is scum

Probably not but his linking us with Jingle makes absolutely no sense.

[DrewVa]

7636 is refuting the concept that taking eraser is an automatic policy lynch. It's not, there are perfectly valid reasons to do it as town.
Not that I actually got it -- nobody won in our room last night.

Since Penguin is one of my strongest townreads, I’m thinking Dave is very likely town for this.

[DrewVa]

are you saying that me and my scumbuddy S_S conspired together to get a 2 for 1 on a miller?

the master of mechanics also wants to lynch you because you conftown the already likely conftown thanos and because he made up that you vigged EJ

like I almost wonder if Jingle has to be town here because I think if he was scum his push wouldn't be so shoddy

*watches RCE cringe, 'no don't defend Jingle even more'*

-d

His Xtoxm push is like one of the worst pushes ever and I don’t know if Jingle would be this bad as town. Questioning my reads on both Jingle and RCE slots - probably more Jingle but eh?

[DrewVa]

your slot has repeatedly defended jingle slot, this is why it makes sense
i have some minor paranoia ngl, not something i'd seriously consider probably before a 3p lylo
anyway, paranoia is good for life expectancy, you shouldnt worry so much

Are you referring to us, because if we’re in LYLO with you and Jingle, like no question, who we lynch.

[DrewVa]

Are you referring to us, because if we’re in LYLO with you and Jingle, like no question, who we lynch.

If all three of you make it to LyLo, the remaining scum is doing something wrong..!

Yeah, I still don’t know how we’re still alive after our claim - unless scum is either pocketing/hoping to pocket us - which is definitely possible, due to our role.

[DrewVa]

It pains me to say but your only saving grace is that Jingle *might* be spewing you town if he's scum. Might.

RCE do you think there is a better lynch rn outside of Jingle and Elsa?

-d

[DrewVa]

oh okay

did you get a result last night then?

-d

why do I feel like three people have claimed some sort of investigative and no one is outing their results

if you have already hard claimed some sort of loyal investigative or whatever why are you not just outing that to the town at this point?

we have enough people claiming shit that you outing your results is not putting them at greater risk, you're just slowing down the solve

-d

[DrewVa]

One of Jingle/RCE.
BEF+N&M.
Elsa?

Jingle -- Replaced Kokichi, said some weird shit today about xtox, keeps shading people I think are town, but actually the bottom of his poe is basically fine

RCE -- this is a very strong scum game for RCE if he's scum, but I think the main reason you list him here is because of the confusion surrounding his claim

BEF -- I townleaned him early game for pushing us after we took the vig, but since then he has kinda gone into this spiral of wanting to solve the game through dayreps

N&M -- Nancy scumreads, I'm second guessing my townlean from the Alonzo thoughts, I guess people have mixed feelings about their response to my last line of questioning

Elsa -- The Black Hole of night actions

who is today's lynch Una?

-d

[DrewVa]

Yikes, bring back Dva.

You know you love me RCE <3

You think we would view this differently?

I was surprised by his argument too but I don't think his read has really changed, and I still don't really know for sure that Jingle flips scum so I'm not even sure it's a chained mislynch in that regard either

-d

[DrewVa]

I miss when we would scumhunt normally, not mechanically.

Yeah but you have a mechanical result, I can probably infer it from your list but can you just say it? There's really no reason to be so oblique at this point

Jingle
Davesaz
Gamma Emerald
Xtoxm
DrewVa
BrightEyedFish
Nev and Max
PenguinPower
RCEnigma
Nero Cain

Obviously Nancy would include Nero

but yeah this list ends up basically looking like 1 or 2 names off Jingle's bottom PoE; I think most of the town agrees that's basically the PoE right now, which is partly why I don't get the people who SHOULD have results aren't outing them --i.e., you

-d

[DrewVa]

I'm trying to sort Xtox.

Jingle maybe you can get why people are reacting to you with skepticism when you spun out a wallpost on xtoxm as a mechanical lynch; I know I asked you wtf you meant, but given you weren't really ending that wallpost with "yeah but I still think we lynch {BEF,N&M} anyway" it made it seem like that's what you were actually advocating

Like maybe since you can just sort of rattle off wallposts you think they're no big deal but bear in mind a lot of players here might have took that as a sign you were getting serious about that push

-d

[DrewVa]

Profii
Gamma Emerald
Xtoxm
BrightEyedFish
Nev and Max
RCEnigma
Nero Cain

Was what the PoE was. I'm mostly interested in the last 5 at this point.

To be honest most of this isn't unreasonable, I just didn't see why you were starting with xtoxm. But given that's the lowest of the three slots there I haven't been grilling, I guess that's fine.

You don't think Profii seemed town from StickyGate? We still haven't explained it but coming up with a push on TLK through a fruit landing on the wrong person is weird AF. Also, the SS/Profii "did you get the neighborhood" delay never comes from S/S I'm pretty sure.

With the doubts I have about the other slots I would also like Gamma to actually play more so I could feel better there, even though tonally I'm like pretty sure he's town.

Nancy insists she is the Nero whisperer, and I still want Nero to explain who he hooded because at this point I don't see how outing that information isn't pro-town for solidifying reads of him. That would also help eliminate the "Nero gifted Bulletproof Scum Elsa Jay an Ascetic Modifier" theory which is something I've wanted to rule out for like 4 rl days now.

Other than that, BEF and N&M seems like the PoE to be considering and sorting. I kinda thought/hoped Creature or Dave would have a result on one of the two tbh.

-d

[DrewVa]

Dunno what the fuck a stickygate is. Is this the thing about TLK getting lynched for sticky fruit or something? It's been referenced recently, but my full read is about halfway through D1.

Profii said he sent sticky fruit to someone, TLK got pressured about if he received anything and TLK said he received sticky fruit, Profii said he did not send the sticky fruit to TLK and no one could explain why TLK would have received sticky fruit short of TLK giving a panicked lie as scum.

Then since TLK had already claimed Super Saint, it was agreed Elsa would be second to last on wagon, and S_S would be last on wagon, since SS was the leading counter-wagon to TLK at the time.

Really wish we had you over Kokichi that dayphase ngl, even if you did roll scum here lol (still not sure you did)

-d

[DrewVa]

Nothing to declare.

I'm considering activating ourselves today just so we can send you a charge

I'd kinda rather that than having you in the boonus room and having to guess what you picked

-d

[DrewVa]

Meh, I'll just VOTE: Nev and Max

you feeling good about doing this slot over elsa today?

-d

[DrewVa]

Why is Elsa scum again?

for letting mcqueen die

I liked mcqueen

no, I am not certain he has a red role pm, but until I hear who nero actually hooded I can't rule out that he is bulletproof, asceticized scum; and we cannot rule out at all that he is a scum commuter

his play here is not... fundamentally... different from performer's in Starcraft Mafia 1, in terms of open wolfing in order to bait night actions that will produce conflicting results

-d

[DrewVa]

What part of what I just said contradicts that

"no result" is not the same as an inno when we have commuters, jailkeepers, unaccounted for possible ascetic modifiers, and apparently? some sort of redirection ability? or something? (stickygate)

-d

[DrewVa]

ftr Nancy wants to do N&M today

I just don't think elsa is mechanically cleared yet

-d

[DrewVa]

Do you think Elsa can be non-traitor scum?

She did post a picture of herself as an evil queen now...

-d

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

Come on Elsa, you can dance... just let your inhibitions... go

-d

Impossible, for you see, dear Dva...

I am the tallest of mountains
I am the roughest of waves
I am the toughest of terrors
I am the darkest of days

I'm the last one that's standing
Don't try to stand in my way
'Cause I've been up against better
Just take a look at my face

Cause If you're messing with me
I am a dangerous weapon
I am the sharpest of blades
I'll cut you down in a second

'Cause I was born in this pain
It only hurts if you let it
So if you think you can take me
Then you should go and forget it

clearly a scumclaim

-d

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

Is it ok if I townbin all of (SS, Profii, TLK)?

why SS and profii

@mcqueen, thats a good point but i think trying to coordinate it the # players we have atm is too messy

What is this in reference to?

scum SS possibility

Not asking for a cop, I'm talking about an investigative role that right now is almost useless, like vanilla cop, voyeur, or motion detector. Neighborizer also qualifies. If somebody has one of those roles, it's probably worth it to come out.

no
stop rolefishing

That a is a good vote
So is ss and McQueen
Can everyone take a moment to realise how bad their last minute wagon on me was

Xtoxm -- I know his reads as town can be good sometimes, so I'd like to hear more about the reasoning in his reads in 2761. I think it's important to explore the strength of townreads and if I'm wrong on one of mcqueen or ss I'd like to know why.

My reputation precedes me. Thank you DVa.

They are both scummy for similar reasons. They both came into today failing to re-evaluate their read on my slot based on new information.
McQ at the time, I didn't suspect his push on me but looking back it was really bad. He called me scum for refusing to end the day. At least one other player had the opposite instinct in the same moment. Perhaps he was trying to bully me into ending the day while he thought the leading wagon was on town.
SS post today where he says I don't deserve to be townread - the tone feels more one of frustration than concern to me.

I'll also mention Theta, because I see people dismissing the slot on the basis she was a counterwagon to scum. I'm not convinced this is the case. At the end of yesterday, she pushed for a lynch on TLK, but on the EOD VC she never voted him. I think scum, if active at EOD, would have been able to make this lynch happen, if it were town. I think I was the attempted cw to scum.

I'm a little surprised you have me as null, but we can work on that.

lets not kid ourselves the case was flimsy and the lynch was an incompetent last minute scramble

more info in the open is always a benefit to scum and town should only come forward if they have info with immediate value, not to try to coordinate future night actions openly in the presence of scum. setups are designed specifically to make this a poor strategy for town.
SS plan is anti town. he could be pushing this because he really believes it or it could be a scum agenda to expose town roles.
but anti town behaviour is always to more likely come from scum
dismissing anti town behaviour bc "they might be town" creates space for scum to get away with being scummy
i avoid doing it if possible
he is literally rolefishing and needs to stop, and deserves scrutiny for doing it

Something_Smart, who are your biggest scumreads right now? Who are you voting?

~Auro

I'm voting nobody.

I don't have anyone below "this person could be scum" but at that level I have you, Xtoxm, BEF. Maybe Elsa, like others I don't really scumread him per se but wouldn't mind having him out of the game. Ramcius is a massive question mark and probably worth leaving alive until some of the people who have strong opinions on him flip.

Mostly at this point I'm trying to add to my townreads: Alonzo, mcqueen, N&M, TLK, Nero, profii. Una's catchup is pretty good, Gamma and RCE might be town also.

I intend to consolidate on a wagon that's not on one of my townreads, but not until the day is close to ending.

you calling me scum whilst doing nothing is getting pretty stale

PP isnt happening today
thats a wasted vote

yeah S_S is scum
this is one of the most egregious cases of lack of read evolution ive ever seen
and hes seen my scumgame in worst idea, he really has no right calling me scum here
if we're lynching outside of TLK i can purge this

we cant include people who havent offered to hammer in the hammer list
kokicki isnt playing this game and i dont expect that to change until that slot gets replaced
i agree with SS being #1 hammer

I mean. The disloyal action didn't fail because he's town. So some rolestopping effect was applied to him. Ironically, he's slipping himself by not simply suggesting he was docced.

this is an awful post

creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?

creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?

SS claims a n2 check on Elsa yes, which is why we flip SS.

Dave/creature vs SS are not the same alignment.

aight
you still want elsa first?

ok.
VOTE: S_S
asked cus you never voted S_S that i can see

Reasons why Xtoxm and SS are not w/w (is town) in this game. Also included, a post where he doesn’t view Flippy wagon as clearing and hard defending obvtown Pengun.

[DrewVa]

ftr Nancy wants to do N&M today

I just don't think elsa is mechanically cleared yet

-d

N & M and BEF are probably the best lynches. I prefer N & M. They were doing everything possible to stop scum!SS wagon from going through and BEF was insistent on Elsa over SS.

[DrewVa]

Kinda was thinking something like "jingle shouldn't activate and creature should check him" but with the amount of wifomy bullshit about night action targets I actually don't know if that would help us whatsoever

Like if it wasn't for stickygate this is where we would usually want each investigative on a diff target so we weren't overlapping, but if there's a chance scum can just stickyfruit whoever is getting checked that helps us not one iota

one reason I'm still skeptical of one or two of our "no result" results so far even if I townread the person checking

we also don't know who SS jailed n1 and n2 yet do we?

Should we commit at least one person to checking BEF tonight tho? Even if we're leaving at least one checker ungated?

-d

[DrewVa]

His first boonus round demeanor was also pretty townie and the way you described your 'optimal' boonus round play from a town perspective it fits the bill, ask Room A participants it's in there.

*BEF rolls his eyes*



-d

[DrewVa]

Actually I'm not sure about Creature's claim. It would be pretty easy to fake if he were scum.

I think this is Creature’s towngame here.

[DrewVa]

can't tell if the D is Nancy's or DVa's.

What do you think?

[DrewVa]

I'll probably regret saying this but I'd let Una mislynch before I Lynch xtoxm.

Why would you regret that exactly

If xtoxm is scum here I'd be eating my words.

If he’s scum here, he deserves an Oscar.

[DrewVa]

Activate: [Penguin]


Activate: [DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

Things I want today:
>Gamma Emerald to be more townie in this thread so I don't have to waste time defending her
>Xtoxm to [do more stuff]
>Nero Cain to say who he neighborized
>Creature to expand on his reasoning behind taking the ascetic modifier, and whether he would remove the ascetic modifier if he had access to a modifier scrubber given that has appeared in some rooms

these are all still things I continue to want

Creature, would you like to see my big D?

-D

winky face

[DrewVa]

Creature would you be strongly opposed to being leashed to BEF?

I know that given what we know of the setup there are issues, but I'd like to know at least one person is on BEF

And since you are Ascetic this means we could rule out some sort of accidental town or scum roleblock

What do you say?

-d

[DrewVa]

This is where you should be outing your claimed save then right?

-d

[DrewVa]

This is where you should be outing your claimed save then right?

-d

ftr Nancy wants to do N&M today

I just don't think elsa is mechanically cleared yet

-d

N & M and BEF are probably the best lynches. I prefer N & M. They were doing everything possible to stop scum!SS wagon from going through and BEF was insistent on Elsa over SS.

Again with this bullshit. I'd hoped you'd explain that line about how we were trying to hold up the day end, a d you passed on answering. So how were we trying to stop the wagon from going through?

Also, you guys should stop trying to mislynch the still charged doc.

A doctor this late, particularly 1 that wouldn't ever think of healing me when I was attacked?

#PressXtoDoubt

Why do you think I've been playing like I don't give a shit? I needed scum to leave me alone at night so I could have freedom to protect. We haven't used our charge yet.

My idea last night was to get a 2nd charge and see if boon would let us use multitasking to use 2 protects. Then the sleeping pill I forgot I took kicked in.

So, who did you save and on which nights?

[DrewVa]

We haven't used our charge yet.

wow my brain literally refused to compute this sentence

Elsa, what do you think. Is this real butter? Because...

I can't believe it



-d

[DrewVa]

Why do you think I've been playing like I don't give a shit?

You haven't been.

They certainly did in fact, “give a shit” about stopping scum!SS lynch.

[DrewVa]

#PressXtoDoubt

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

+1

[DrewVa]

I love that you tried to shoot my ass but you're now one of my biggest allies in this mess, DD.

Perhaps I didn't die mainly because the scum team want to keep throwing away their lives instead for their Queen?

My theory is that scum!SS jaailkept you and urged us to vig you, in order to get towncred.

[DrewVa]

DD

I want everyone to know that I fully embrace this nickname



-d

[DrewVa]

Why do you think I've been playing like I don't give a shit?

You haven't been.

Moreso that I don't care about people scum reading us so much. Maybe playing like shit? I dunno. I haven't been playing particularly well this game.

I dislike that you claim to have gotten a doc charge N2 and still haven’t used it on anyone.

FYI, holding on to a protective power, is what got me outed as scum in Heroes Wanted. Why? Because if you’re town, you never how long you’re going to live in a game, so you use your PR asap, especially if it’s a protective. Ours was a 1-shot vig and we had no idea to shoot but if we had cop or doc, we would have 100% used it the very night we got it.

[DrewVa]

Why do you think I've been playing like I don't give a shit?

You haven't been.

Moreso that I don't care about people scum reading us so much. Maybe playing like shit? I dunno. I haven't been playing particularly well this game.

I dislike that you claim to have gotten a doc charge N2 and still haven’t used it on anyone.

FYI, holding on to a protective power, is what got me outed as scum in Heroes Wanted. Why? Because if you’re town, you never how long you’re going to live in a game, so you use your PR asap, especially if it’s a protective. Ours was a 1-shot vig and we had no idea WHO to shoot but if we had cop or doc, we would have 100% used it the very night we got it.

[DrewVa]

Bad vibes

N&M -- the situation we have then is:
-A missing scum nightkill
-A claimed town commuter that didn't commute the night of that missing nightkill
-A claimed town doctor that didn't protect the night of that missing nightkill

This means we have, de facto, three town protective claims. That's on top of whatever the fuck elsa is, which I guess at this point would seem to have to be the recipient of SS's jailkeep when we vigged him.

Is that impossible in a setup this large? No. Does it have my attention? Yes.

So what do you think of Jingle's claim then, I guess?

-d

[DrewVa]

Also, if you were not going to use your shot for multiple nights, wouldn't that maybe incentivize you to crumb your role in some meaningful way?

-d

[DrewVa]

You know fuck

@Mod, if Elsa was vigged while being jailkept, would that produce the message "Someone cheated death"?

If there was a doctor save on a scum kill the same night, would there be two such messages? Or would the message be different? "Some people cheated death"?

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[DrewVa]

Cool, assuming profii will confirm that. Do I need to ask if profii hooded someone last night or held his shot......... no I don't think I need that rn, although if he dgaf he's welcome to share.

So with profii comp at least we can feel marginally better that Elsa isn't BP that was gifted ascetic... marginally at least

Still possible scum BP gifted sticky fruit? I guess?

I'll just file that away in my "Black Hole of Elsa Role Mechanics Theories" in the circular filing cabinet.

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[DrewVa]

We can talk about why I survived when the game is over and scum is dead, I think. Because Boon isn't gonna do anything beforehand.

I think asking the mod about what can and can not cause a message from the mod is fair, given it is a mechanical part of the game

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[DrewVa]

im not even sure why you'd even think that I gifted Elsa anything.

Obviously Nancy has been just ignoring me on this for like three or four days, but I was looking at:
Elsa, who I obviously scumread, having a quasi-inno on him, while also surviving the vig shot
Creature having ascetic
and you not having a claimed prize in a room with an ascetic

so I first was thinking you gifted Creature ascetic... for some reason. I don't know why exactly but yeah

so then I wanted to make sure you weren't somehow scum with Elsa, knew Elsa was BP, and gifted Elsa ascetic to make some sort of godmode blackhole of scum wifom

idk man, I basically wanted to eliminate possibilities of elsa getting support from his team and also understand what happened with Creature

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[DrewVa]

As almost always happens, I am having serious second guesses about N&M despite his claim being weak as shit and almost totally unbelievable

idk that it's enough to make me want to shift to BEF right now tho

I think I'm gonna let this simmer for a bit and let Nancy think it through since I think she does a slightly better job of reading tpr claims than I do

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[DrewVa]

Who all claimed Disloyal results on Elsa? If Elsa was JK'd by SS, any actions would be blocked, right?

Okay, so I think SS figured out we had vig and probably jailkept us and scum maybe no killed, to make Elsa look like he was roleblocked scum?

[DrewVa]

im not even sure why you'd even think that I gifted Elsa anything.

Obviously Nancy has been just ignoring me on this for like three or four days, but I was looking at:
Elsa, who I obviously scumread, having a quasi-inno on him, while also surviving the vig shot
Creature having ascetic
and you not having a claimed prize in a room with an ascetic

so I first was thinking you gifted Creature ascetic... for some reason. I don't know why exactly but yeah

so then I wanted to make sure you weren't somehow scum with Elsa, knew Elsa was BP, and gifted Elsa ascetic to make some sort of godmode blackhole of scum wifom

idk man, I basically wanted to eliminate possibilities of elsa getting support from his team and also understand what happened with Creature

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Lol, I haven’t been ignoring you. I’m just right about Nero.

[DrewVa]

Who all claimed Disloyal results on Elsa? If Elsa was JK'd by SS, any actions would be blocked, right?

Okay, so I think SS figured out we had vig and probably jailkept us and scum maybe no killed, to make Elsa look like he was roleblocked scum?

this is inaccurate btw, SS did not flip the alien variant of JK. Only the one killing action should have failed on him.

• At night, you may target a player. You will roleblock any action that player is performing, alongside protecting them from a singular kill action.

nothing there implies jailkeep interferes with other night actions

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[DrewVa]

She's probably been recovering from the betrayal of her hydra partner in Misery

A game that truly lived up to its name

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[DrewVa]

Oh nothing like that, he just won as scum against her town

iirc, part of the stupidity of our 1v1 in this game earlier was that Lamees was insulting my reads in that game while I was actively watching Auro destroy her, which I could not say at the time

That was the basis of my "Mod plz tell lamees to stfu" comments at the time, given my slot was still alive, she was still alive, auro was still alive, and I had spoilers about the game and so not perspective slipping in my rebuttals would have been really hard

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[DrewVa]

I'm just gonna sheep D btw, where are you voting?

Well Thanos, what do you think the chances are that a town one-shot doctor didn't use any charges, entered a boonus room where they had the chance to win a charge and then fell asleep instead of winning that round, didn't use a charge of their protection that night, didn't soft or claim doctor at any point in the game, and has no claimed save despite a missing night kill.

Nancy just thinks they're just scum, I'm sitting here wondering why, if they're scum, they didn't just claim VT since that would have been more believable than what they actually claimed.

So, if you think BEF or Jingle is a better lynch for today than N&M I'm curious, since I'm just sheeping Nancy rn

also are you lamees or auro rn?

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[DrewVa]

Yeah I read through the pages and I'm willing to give N&M the benefit of the doubt -- does scum really adopt a "didn't use charges, doctor" fakeclaim? Given the pressure on them, this would be the worst kinda fakeclaim for scum to make, no?

You think Jingle is a good lunch for his Xtoxm push alone? And BEF just seems like he's being BEF, to be honest. I don't see his obsession with dayreps as scummy.

You, Xtoxm, RCE all seem town to me - how confident are you in your PP townread? Do you have any other strong TRs? Creature claiming an inno on me I don't think is AI, since I'm already virtually conftown.

irt N&M
>It's a bad fakeclaim
>It's a bad realclaim

>N&M pushed Alonzo in boonus when he was dying
>S_S pushed EJ in boonus when he had quasi-scumclaimed

>I remember some very small whiff of town in them back in like day 1
>Nancy scumreads them now and her reads have been pretty good this game

>it would match my expectations in terms of wim if scumteam was starting to give up (I have another thought I could mention here on that that would piss off BEF)
>if they really are having health issues then their erratic play is understandable

I'm conflicted, N&M's play has been pretty ??? so eliminating wifom is maybe not the worst idea here. If Nancy wants N&M to go today I will support her because I have mixed feelings

I think Jingle's commuter claim is fishy and I thought the wallpost on xtoxm was weird af

Are you mostly thinking of BEF from that mini normal where you died early? Or have you played with him elsewhere?

hmmmmmmmm

how do you feel about Unah? We have the "not-vanilla" result from RCE's bunynip right? And RCE was townreading her reaction to that. and then someone else (maybe Creature) also had a no result on her? But I'm not sure that wasn't on a night where we have an un-accounted for jailkeep so it's not 100%, unless this was after creature was already asceticizied? guess I could double check timeline there

I mean, I guess we can also ask if there's a world where Profii actually lies about sending sticky fruit to a different person as scum but that's a pretty mind-blowing play to me

dave has seemed townier today but I also have mixed feelings about him being so absent for so much of the game

For me towncore is: Thanos, Profii, Xtoxm, DrewVa, PenguinPower, RCE

Nancy's townblock extends to: Nero Cain, Gamma Emerald

mechanical questions remain here -- {Creature/UnaBombah}

maybe dave goes here for right now?

the black hole ---Elsa Jay---

BrightEyedFish, Jingle

Nev and Max

something like that
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[DrewVa]

What's wrong with wanting to figure out the Day Rep selection? Scum have the ability to select a day rep and I think there is something there to help us.

well, if it's only limited to scum, I'd just never use it. day rep is garbage. hammering without consensus would be a scumclaim, and anything other than hammer simply is done to encourage town to start doing stuff more

it's useful at the very end of the game maybe, but not in this game state. it won't be relevant for like two or three more days probably

and if it's *not* limited to the scum team, I'd just throw it on whoever would most fuck with people like you

so I basically just don't see how we can possibly get a scum out of it given there is almost 0 actual incentive to give it to a scum player

I certainly don't see how it is a more useful sorting method than literally any other method

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[DrewVa]

So.
My paranoia on DrewVa might not be for nothing after all.
RCE is more or less conf.town, I was just poking for reactions.
I fabricated that latest "case" on why RCE's claim was scummy.
Check the postnumbers - they arent in order.

This will also be the second time I get to see Mala flip scum after fakeclaiming a doc.

The remaining scumteam is in DrewVa(?), N&M, BEF, Jingle?

I thought you were supposed to be good at this game Unah.

Well, maybe the other 3? I think you could be right about them but you’re dead wrong on us.
I don’t even understand how we’re not freaking clear at this point.

[DrewVa]

Agreed Dva, it doesn't do anything for scum until they are in a position to win anyway. So it isn't really worth nominating for a dayrep. It's also not provable without knowing how dayreps are selected and honestly it's not important to me with that in mind.

I definitely did not expect us to be dayrep, since we didn’t even play last night.

[DrewVa]

To be honest, with more people starting to just now start to serious consider lynching me feels like a compliment. I would have never fathomed that scum!me would make it this far with this player list. Too bad I'm not scum and this pipe dream will have to wait for another day.

What's wrong with wanting to figure out the Day Rep selection? Scum have the ability to select a day rep and I think there is something there to help us.

Of course I want an EJ lynch today but I get that it;s not going to happen based on his lies. Unfortunately, I don't have any new evidence against EJ.

I don't know how I feel about N&M right now. I kinda believe the claim but waiting this long does seem kinda iffy?

My top focus right now is on these 4:
Jingle, Creature, Drew, Dave

Beside, I've crumbed my role 3-4 times in this game. I figured everyone had figured it out by now or at least the people affected by it.

I know you’ve had a lolbad tunnel on us from the getgo but why Creature? Have you ever played with scum!Creature before? If you had, you would (if you’re actually town here) not think this was his scumgame.

[DrewVa]

P.edit. @BEF, why Dave over N & M?

[DrewVa]

Elsa>>>Jingle>>>Dave>>>BEF

Jingle’s Xtoxm push (and he can call it “sort” until the cows come home), was really really bad. At this point in the game, it isn’t protown to advocate a lynch of a slot that isn’t scummy, to confirm another one.

[DrewVa]

I dunno, I'm bad so take this with a grain of salt. Dave was absent a lot of OK2 as well and I have townread him there I thought his inputs were well thought out and meaningful when he did post. That was fmpov where I could objectively read slots without a lot of consequence.

It's like 2 different players when I compare it to this game. I'll probably never be one for mechanical play so this is just, gut and limited meta so.

Dave, jingle, Bef, and Elsa I could still go for. But I'm probably just voting Bef today.

You think BEF is a better lynch than N & M? Convince me.

[DrewVa]

So.
My paranoia on DrewVa might not be for nothing after all.
RCE is more or less conf.town, I was just poking for reactions.
I fabricated that latest "case" on why RCE's claim was scummy.
Check the postnumbers - they arent in order.

This will also be the second time I get to see Mala flip scum after fakeclaiming a doc.

The remaining scumteam is in DrewVa(?), N&M, BEF, Jingle?

And? How is RCE conftown or are you just pulling a nancy?

You liked RCE's reaction and his play seems maybe outside his scum range. But his scum range is not bad. While he might not like it, he did just win a scum game in newbie queue that looked pretty good. Despite that I still literally just called him towncore... so what are you implying?

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[DrewVa]

So.
My paranoia on DrewVa might not be for nothing after all.
RCE is more or less conf.town, I was just poking for reactions.
I fabricated that latest "case" on why RCE's claim was scummy.
Check the postnumbers - they arent in order.

This will also be the second time I get to see Mala flip scum after fakeclaiming a doc.

The remaining scumteam is in DrewVa(?), N&M, BEF, Jingle?

And? How is RCE conftown or are you just pulling a nancy?

You liked RCE's reaction and his play seems maybe outside his scum range. But his scum range is not bad. While he might not like it, he did just win a scum game in newbie queue that looked pretty good. Despite that I still literally just called him towncore... so what are you implying?

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Hey!

[DrewVa]

What are your thoughts on Elsa, Nancy?

I’m still suspicious of him but due to Creature disloyal, I probably prefer not to lynch there today.

[DrewVa]

P.edit. @BEF, why Dave over N & M?

My SR on creature stems from the day rep. We now know one of the day rep spots is always random and I believe the N2 random spot went to Ram (the exact opposite idea of my D2 Ram tunnel). The other 2 others Day Rep spots went to BOONus round winners, that leaves IMO that the 3rd BOONus round winner coming from the scum factional ability. I know no one wants to hear about that anymore right now so I won't go further.

Also, I didn't feel particularly good about that slot when karm was playing. I don't believe I have any scum!creature experience but something feels off on the creature/karm slot.

I don't think I ever said dave over N&M because I've never really had dave as a SR other than my day rep business.

That all being said, I'm not opposed to joining the N&M wagon because of Cheeky's N&M read and that claim doesn't sit right with me.

They were pushing N & M the hardest.

[DrewVa]

Hey!

well stop calling people conftown cause you townread them then it hurts my head

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[DrewVa]

My gut feeling so far is BEF is pushing a red herring in terms of the day rep business and I wanna vote there

Well after Ram mislynch, you would think he’d reassess.

[DrewVa]

Hey!

well stop calling people conftown cause you townread them then it hurts my head

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I happen to have superior reads, so sorry not sorry. <3

[DrewVa]

They were pushing N & M the hardest.

They being CD?

Yep.

[DrewVa]

I think it might be time for massclaim.

We have 7 unclaimed roles, two of which are known to be targeting.

says the guy who commuted for basically no reason last night in a game with a bunch of loyal/disloyal targeters

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[DrewVa]

I happen to have superior reads, so sorry not sorry. <3

I have seen no evidence that supports this claim.

If I wasn’t so lazy, I’d link you to all of the games anywhere that town has lost by not listening to my reads. I just recently lost a game, where I was unable to convince town to lynch my #1 scumread and and the other townie in LYLO, not to mislynch my #1 townread.

[DrewVa]

Thought expirement.

Do you think townJingle would trust your strong townreads if he doesn't believe in your reasoning?

That’s my weakness. I’m generally not good at casing and convincing people, outside of metareads, which weren’t a factor in this case.

I make reads based on logic, mechanics and gut and when they all come together, I feel confident about them but I’m not great at convincing others. So, it’s my #1 source of frustration at playing mafia. To know, town could have won that game just by listening to me, is beyond infuriating.

[DrewVa]

incing others. So, it’s my #1 source of frustration at playing mafia. To know, town could have won that game just by listening to me, is beyond infuriating.

First: Hindsight bias and anecdotal evidence. I'm going to say that you haven't performed a systematic study of your read accuracy, so the games that you had spectacular reads and were ignored are going to stand out over games where you were mediocre. It's just the way the brain works.

Second: You townreading someone, even townreading someone you claim to be able to read perfectly, is never going to be enough for me. I'm always going to require more evidence. More to the point, you should know that to be true.

My reads are consistently much better than mediocre. And myopic attitudes like yours, will continue to result in continued town losses.

[DrewVa]

Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen

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[DrewVa]

Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen

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[DrewVa]

Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen

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DVa=Zinger Queen. *Everyone bow to her greatness*

Lmao