Mini 2052: Downtown Train Mafia - Game Over!

[Allomancer]

Confirmed!

[Allomancer]

Bambi, are you part of Apollo Khione? I feel we've met before.

[Allomancer]

just making sure.

[Allomancer]

please never say that again

[Allomancer]

VOTE: Darth Vader

Just confirm already!

[Allomancer]

Fake god........

Is there such thing as a real one?

[Allomancer]

Yeah! What did I do to anyone?

[Allomancer]

Why is Bambi scummy or why do I want to kill Allomancer?

Let's go with both. Mostly Allomancer.

Was mostly how easily a wagon built up in combination with Bambi's vote. She(?) Is right that early wagons mean jack shit. Building the wagon quickly is a decent way to get attention away from a partner.

Slots are generally going to be reluctant to revisit a wagon that's fallen apart so early. Also, not sure what to think of Robert being so jumpy.

Wait so why do I need to die?

[Allomancer]

VOTE: Robert2424

Don't post if you're not going to contribute to the game. Most of your posts are unproductive.

[Allomancer]

Because I had nothing productive to say. Spamposting accomplishes nothing.

[Allomancer]

VOTE: Robert2424

Don't post if you're not going to contribute to the game. Most of your posts are unproductive.

Who's posts are productive right now?

I don't know we have had enough contributing to the game to really say that being unproductive is really throwing us off the rails. (Like that one? It's train puns all around today!)

Also, is this just a policy lynch vote?

Not policy lynch, pressure. You really think we're lynching this early?

[Allomancer]

I think what you'll find is I will tend to be more liberal than my vote than most, switching it around a lot, so long as it doesn't put someone at L-1 or hammer before I'm confident that they should be lynched.

[Allomancer]

You assume I'm playing Mafia, when in reality I'm playing connect 4.

You assume my actions mean something day 1.

You assume I even read your post just now.

The difference between Allomancer and me is that im honest in not wanting to do shit for town. He tries to not do stuff but make it look like he's working.

I'm not scum, just a bored terrorist with nothing to lose.

Excuse me, what the fuck? The point of playing Mafia is to actually, ya know, play Mafia. You can't just claim whoever hammers is scum and be done with it. Even if you are town-aligned, you are completely useless to the town if you don't even intend to

try

to help. While yes, there probably is some scum on your wagon, the wagon built so quickly because you appear to not even be trying, and if you're town, that's not helping your wincon.

[Allomancer]

Also, to address 158, I'll be honest with you. I don't consider myself a very good Mafia player. I have trouble, especially early on on Day 1. I posted a thread about that very thing in Mafia Discussion a couple weeks ago, actually. I'm not doing stuff because I'm not really sure what to do right now.

[Allomancer]

Are jesters considered bastard? Could there be one in this game?

[Allomancer]

VOTE: Bambi Jay

L-1. Bambi please try to read the game and examine.

If this slot is scum, great. If it's not, it's a policy lynch that really needs to happen. Bad posts, bad reactions, terrible for town if town. This slot needs to be lynched.

By the way, I was busy not pointing this out to try to get Bambi to engage in the game, but I've seen TGP make this sort of post before. It's very much reminiscent of a post where he made big bold letters on an L-1 in a newbie game a while back.

Guess what faction he was with there?

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

One post in one game is not enough for a meta analysis.

[Allomancer]

Looked at TGP's iso and I don't see anything wrong with it

[Allomancer]

Sad the town literally had all the energy in the world to try and mob-Lynch me but suddenly when it's TGP's turn your all quiet.

Glad to know where the motivation is here.

Well I want Allo dead and everyone else says town so, meh. I'd Lynch Tony's slot as well now for...reasons.

Why do you want me dead?

Also, town falling silent could be suspicious, but speaking for myself personally, I was kinda excited when the game first started, but now I'm not really interested at this point. There's also a serious momentum situation: when the game slows down, there's less to post about, so the game slows down even more.

[Allomancer]

Looked at TGP's iso and I don't see anything wrong with it

Let's try another approach, what do you see in it that is Towny?

I still want this.

I think 164 makes a case.
I see nothing inherently scummy about the big L-1. If anything, it's good to let the town know when we get to that point.

[Allomancer]

Brass- Did not like that ITH. Asks a lot- why do you scumread that guy, why did you do that, post some analysis - but didn't see him provide any answers or analysis.

I disagree. Asking questions is actually very beneficial to town. Brass is one of the towniest here IMO.

[Allomancer]

With that I'll say I'm not a big fan of meta. I assume anyone I play with is self aware enough to somewhat replicate their town game and don't find scum meta a good measure in games or playerlists that don't have any correlation.

Hence indirect. But I agree the reactions from Bambi are poor, though Allo's don't feel townie either.

One scum is better than none.

VOTE: Bambi Jay

Makes a case on me a few posts earlier, votes Bambi with no reasoning attached.
If scum can always replicate a town game, scumhunting would therefore be useless? Bad logic is bad.

That guy also said the previous statement prematurely. Pretty sure I just want Allomancer to be the lynch today. I still don't like your reactions. Allomancer flipping scum would just make me even more sure that you're scum. Even your fos at TGP is weak, he's been picking mostly at you in a majority of his posts. Feels like you're omgusing him right now.

Not sure why him specifically though.

Wants to lynch me, still voting Bambi at this point.

Looking through RCE's ISO, I pulled the most standout posts, but there seems to be a general trend of self-contradiction and do as i say, not as i do.
VOTE: RCEnigma

[Allomancer]

If scum can always replicate a town game, scumhunting would therefore be useless? Bad logic is bad.

This should be up above in response to the first quote, sorry.

[Allomancer]

Just reiterating my case against RCE, while he has reasons now, he has promoted lynching me from the very beginning with no reasoning attached earlier. Seems like someone who was waiting for reasons to come up to justify a vote.

[Allomancer]

You assume I'm playing Mafia, when in reality I'm playing connect 4.

You assume my actions mean something day 1.

You assume I even read your post just now.

The difference between Allomancer and me is that im honest in not wanting to do shit for town. He tries to not do stuff but make it look like he's working.

I'm not scum, just a bored terrorist with nothing to lose.

I'd do that but I'm too lazy.

Honestly I'll put my actual effort into this game tommorow and see why TGP is scummy or if I notice something else.

Yep, you're really giving the hype yourself.

[Allomancer]

Well nothing really's gonna get done with the only wagon being on TGP while TGP is on V/LA, so there's that.

[Allomancer]

I mean we theoretically can, but right now, as I've said before, I don't find TGP particularly scummy and while he's not posting because he is v/la he'll stay that way.

[Allomancer]

I mean we theoretically can, but right now, as I've said before, I don't find TGP particularly scummy and while he's not posting because he is v/la he'll stay that way.

Do you mean that I'll continue to not post after my VLA is over? Why would I do that? And also, even though I'm not posting a lot, I'm still more active than some. I haven't disappeared from the game completely.

No, I meant that I currently don't find you scummy. Currently, you're not posting often because of you're v/la, so I'm obviously not going to start scumreading you until after your v/la when you pick up the posting.

[Allomancer]

Allomancer: 1 (RCEnigma, Munchmellow)

@Mod this can't be right.

It's not. Fixed as of the next votecount. ~ LA

[Allomancer]

Nothing has changed, I want activity. Nobody willing to do something, so I vote for the person with the most posts in the game.

Why vote the player with the most posts? If you want activity, doesn't it make sense to vote the player with the least posts?

[Allomancer]

Robert just gets worse looking back.

This is Painful, if you want something done, do it yourself.

Vote Brass

This made no sense. brassherald's previous post was asking me about the whole miscommunication about TGP being V/LA.

You two have only mentioned having light suspicion of Brass before -- is there something that made you more certain?

He never answered this either.

[Allomancer]

VOTE: Robert2424

[Allomancer]

@Mod what happens if there is a tie for most votes?

[Allomancer]

I'm assuming ET based on your given location, so just add 4 to PT.

[Allomancer]

Okay, I'm rescinding my (much earlier) townlean on Allo here.
There's a consistent pattern of Allo discrediting major wagons throughout the day without any *real* reasons. He continues making vanity votes (RCE, Robert) without really making an effort to shift pressure onto those slots; I get the feeling he's making up reasons to have his vote in unproductive places to keep the gamestate from gaining momentum anywhere / deflect attention away from a wagoned scumbuddy.

There are other red flags in his ISO (shade on Bambi and refusal to vote; unproductive posts that don't advance the gamestate etc.) that others have pointed out too, but I think this should be a good lynch for today, and DVa agrees with me on this too.

in allo's defense i think scum in this kind of gamestate and even allo!scum specifically are probably less likely to use "discrediting major wagons and vanity voting" as a strategy and more likely to just coalesce onto popular town wagons

deliberate attempts to keep the game stagnant are something that very few scumplayers actually do i think.

keeping

a game stagnant is something that any scum player can do, but deliberately creating that kind of environment is a pretty advanced tactic i think

I'm not sure whether to agree with you because this vindicates me, or get mad that you don't think I'm capable of advanced tactics.

[Allomancer]

Well, no, I don't think I would do it. I'm not so much inexperienced in general as I am inexperienced on this site. I have a big background in real-life mafia, where social cues that you can't get over forum are more important and a strategy like that would be impossible.

[Allomancer]

do you think objectively speaking you should be townread here or do you think people's cases have some merit

It depends on how scummy you think TGP is. It seems the wagon on me formed because I denounced the TGP wagon. If you think TGP is scummy, then my play is scummy as well. I, however, don't find TGP scummy. I would also argue, even if you find him scummy, and then me by extension, the logical play is to lynch him first and lynch me if he flips scum. If he is the only reason I am scummy, why lynch me over him?

[Allomancer]

I am happy with my vote.

[Allomancer]

TGP wasn't going to post anyway, he hasn't posted since Sunday even though his V/LA ended. While I still don't agree with the lynch, at least we got a rid of someone who wasn't helping town anyway instead of an active scumhunter

[Allomancer]

Robert and RCE were my strongest scumreads yesterday. RCE turned out to be town, so I made a mistake there. In any case,
VOTE: Robert

[Allomancer]

I can't imagine there wouldn't be.

[Allomancer]

Might I just remind all of you that I opposed the TGP mislynch yesterday.

[Allomancer]

Allomancer: 1 (Brassherald, Darth Vader)

@Mod this is the second time this has happened. Do you just really not want me lynched?

Shhh, don't tell anyone ~ LA

[Allomancer]

No one would ever shoot me because I never seem towny

[Allomancer]

VOTE: chateau lobby

An actual explanation with that vote would be nice.

There is
no
explanation.

srsly wtf? VOTE: Chateau Lobby

[Allomancer]

omg i am so sorry I misread it. I thought bambi was referencing your vote for me. UNVOTE: .

[Allomancer]

You put me at L-1. That's opportunistic. L-2 less so.

[Allomancer]

Allomancer: 2 (Brassherald, Darth Vader)

No one would ever shoot me because I never seem towny

Maybe they won't shoot you.

What about lynching?

VOTE: Allomancer

Try the votecount at the top of this page ~ LA

[Allomancer]

Allo,
Tell us why
We shouldn't
Vote you.

because i'm town?

[Allomancer]

I mean what else can I say?

[Allomancer]

passenger (vt)

also why do you write like that with multiple lines?

[Allomancer]

Sup Urist!

[Allomancer]

There was literally like two posts between the vote count and the hammer. No way that was an accident. I'm fine with a DV Lynch tomorroe

[Allomancer]

Elsa may be a Survivor but I'm a fucking Lyncher.

Is this a metaphor or your actual role?

[Allomancer]

I knew it was Robert! None of you believed me!

[Allomancer]

also just gonna put this here

I'm fine with a DV Lynch tomorroe